Comments on: No clear winner from inside the "Red Zone" http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/ All politics, all the time Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:07:36 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Patrick Michaels, Kapaa, HI http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-1846 Patrick Michaels, Kapaa, HI Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:07:17 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-1846 what's important here is that CNN pre decided the focus of this debate, by the positioning of the 'mainstream' and in one case(Clinton) undeclared candidates. Interesting that Wolf NEVER asked Hillary why she's still in exploration mode, instead of fully engaged. hmmmmmmmmmm.. my vote is for Peace with Dennis Kucinich what's important here is that CNN pre decided the focus of this debate, by the positioning of the 'mainstream' and in one case(Clinton) undeclared candidates. Interesting that Wolf NEVER asked Hillary why she's still in exploration mode, instead of fully engaged. hmmmmmmmmmm..
my vote is for Peace with Dennis Kucinich

]]> By: James Ragland, Denton, TX http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-1370 James Ragland, Denton, TX Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:41:47 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-1370 I do not think we should be thinking of this debate in terms of "winners" and "losers." Surely some of the candidates performed better than others, but what this debate was about was winning, or at least insuring more, contributions. Edwards went negative so that his comments will be shown on Prime Time over-and-over again. They may not fully resonate with the average voter, but they will with those who are die-hard enough to write a big check. Right now, we should be judging on who was able to generate the best sound bites. Those sound-bites will translate directly into contributions. For that reason, I think Edward’s flame-thrower performance, while not something recommended for primary debates, will garner him a lot more money. And, that money is going to determine whether or not any candidate will capitalize from his/her performance in this debate. I do not think we should be thinking of this debate in terms of "winners" and "losers." Surely some of the candidates performed better than others, but what this debate was about was winning, or at least insuring more, contributions. Edwards went negative so that his comments will be shown on Prime Time over-and-over again. They may not fully resonate with the average voter, but they will with those who are die-hard enough to write a big check. Right now, we should be judging on who was able to generate the best sound bites. Those sound-bites will translate directly into contributions. For that reason, I think Edward’s flame-thrower performance, while not something recommended for primary debates, will garner him a lot more money. And, that money is going to determine whether or not any candidate will capitalize from his/her performance in this debate.

]]> By: Bebe, Los Angeles, CA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-849 Bebe, Los Angeles, CA Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:04:27 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-849 I think that Joe Biden was the winner. It's upsetting that the media has already decided that it's about three candidates. I think that Joe Biden was the winner. It's upsetting that the media has already decided that it's about three candidates.

]]> By: Oscar Leight, New York, New York http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-818 Oscar Leight, New York, New York Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:51:49 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-818 Hillary. Came of as a stateswoman. No risking a lot, but clear in language and prepared in her answeres. Obama. Strong at times, but also at times very weak in his delivery. Too confusing. He was searching for his words - even if the answers were there, it took to long to get to them. The eloquence from the Democratic Convention was all gone and as such he dissapointed in a big way. Biden was a major surprise. Clear. Strong. Heart. Meaning it all the way and being sure enough of himself to deliver that message. He should be the frontrunner next to Hillary and perhaps Richardson. Edwards. Not enough conviction. We know he is in the right place, but he comes of as a guy afraid to speak clearly. When he shows strength it is not through straight answers, but in getting the other candidates in trouble. Not good enough. We want to hear how he will lead, which is why it was a mistake to bring up that very topic. Richardson. A major surprise. I see the analysts are not convinced. I agree with them he was touting his resume too much and he must have gotten some really bad advice in doing that. Still its evident he knows what he is talking about. More than most of the panel. I would vote for this guy. A leader. A diplomat. What we need after all these years. Dodd. Impressive knowledge. Impressively relaxed in the forum. Strong when he needed to. Humor when called for. Too weak on the earmarks. But a realist. It will be interesting to follow. However he is in the boat with Richardson and Biden. Same kind of candidate and between the three of them he was the weakest. Kucinich and Gravel. The truth talkers. Both unlikely runners who will say anything. its refreshing. Hillary. Came of as a stateswoman. No risking a lot, but clear in language and prepared in her answeres.

Obama. Strong at times, but also at times very weak in his delivery. Too confusing. He was searching for his words – even if the answers were there, it took to long to get to them. The eloquence from the Democratic Convention was all gone and as such he dissapointed in a big way.

Biden was a major surprise. Clear. Strong. Heart. Meaning it all the way and being sure enough of himself to deliver that message. He should be the frontrunner next to Hillary and perhaps Richardson.

Edwards. Not enough conviction. We know he is in the right place, but he comes of as a guy afraid to speak clearly. When he shows strength it is not through straight answers, but in getting the other candidates in trouble. Not good enough. We want to hear how he will lead, which is why it was a mistake to bring up that very topic.

Richardson. A major surprise. I see the analysts are not convinced. I agree with them he was touting his resume too much and he must have gotten some really bad advice in doing that. Still its evident he knows what he is talking about. More than most of the panel. I would vote for this guy. A leader. A diplomat. What we need after all these years.

Dodd. Impressive knowledge. Impressively relaxed in the forum. Strong when he needed to. Humor when called for. Too weak on the earmarks. But a realist. It will be interesting to follow. However he is in the boat with Richardson and Biden. Same kind of candidate and between the three of them he was the weakest.

Kucinich and Gravel. The truth talkers. Both unlikely runners who will say anything. its refreshing.

]]> By: Dan K, Pittsburgh PA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-757 Dan K, Pittsburgh PA Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:09:07 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-757 Here I am on CNN's website, but I really don't like how much buzz the frontrunners are getting. Richardson seems to be the candidate that I think can actually get legislation passed and get us (the United States, that is) popular in the world again, because he's not so alarmingly polarizing. I rule out Gravel and Kucinich for this reason, and surprisingly Edwards and maybe even Biden now too. To me, the candidate MUST MUST MUST bring people together so that change isn't stalled by political bickering. Richardson has this experience and he's brought much less rational people together around the world. I cannot believe that Obama is such a frontrunner. This goes to show how the media and the buzz are starting to pick the candidates. I understand that he is progressive, and don't get me wrong, if he was the candidate I would most certainly vote for him... but 2 years in the Senate vs. some of the other resumes out there? All can admit it's a bit alarming. He didn't even have a health care plan a few weeks ago. Think about that. If we go by resumes alone I think hands down Richardson is the best candidate; granted, Clinton is extremely qualified because spending 8 years in the White House is probably the single best thing on anyone's resume, but again, how many Republicans do you think in the House and Senate would get behind her? Biden has served for quite a while also, we should give him more credit. I voted on the poll on this site that Kucinich knows the facts the best. He's a very smart man. However, as I was mentioning earlier, he seems to be a divider. I think Richardson is the wisest on foreign policy. Everyone was disappointed with Richardson it seems. I personally was a bit more disappointed with Edwards. He was borderline rude tonight. Richardson has the resume, he's well received by at least some Republicans... I really feel he deserves much more attention than he gets. The big issues are energy, genocide in Darfur, education, health care, and diplomacy, and to me he's proven himself far more than the others on all of these things. Who else would mention China's dependence on Sudan's oil? That's something you can look up in two seconds with a quick search, and maybe many know about it, but he brought it up, and that's a big deal to me. The biggest point to me in choosing is that the candidacy needs to be given to a not-so-polarizing figure if we hope to escape this current, incredibly frustrating, age of bickering back and forth. Here I am on CNN's website, but I really don't like how much buzz the frontrunners are getting. Richardson seems to be the candidate that I think can actually get legislation passed and get us (the United States, that is) popular in the world again, because he's not so alarmingly polarizing. I rule out Gravel and Kucinich for this reason, and surprisingly Edwards and maybe even Biden now too. To me, the candidate MUST MUST MUST bring people together so that change isn't stalled by political bickering. Richardson has this experience and he's brought much less rational people together around the world.

I cannot believe that Obama is such a frontrunner. This goes to show how the media and the buzz are starting to pick the candidates. I understand that he is progressive, and don't get me wrong, if he was the candidate I would most certainly vote for him... but 2 years in the Senate vs. some of the other resumes out there? All can admit it's a bit alarming. He didn't even have a health care plan a few weeks ago. Think about that.

If we go by resumes alone I think hands down Richardson is the best candidate; granted, Clinton is extremely qualified because spending 8 years in the White House is probably the single best thing on anyone's resume, but again, how many Republicans do you think in the House and Senate would get behind her? Biden has served for quite a while also, we should give him more credit.

I voted on the poll on this site that Kucinich knows the facts the best. He's a very smart man. However, as I was mentioning earlier, he seems to be a divider. I think Richardson is the wisest on foreign policy.

Everyone was disappointed with Richardson it seems. I personally was a bit more disappointed with Edwards. He was borderline rude tonight.

Richardson has the resume, he's well received by at least some Republicans... I really feel he deserves much more attention than he gets. The big issues are energy, genocide in Darfur, education, health care, and diplomacy, and to me he's proven himself far more than the others on all of these things. Who else would mention China's dependence on Sudan's oil? That's something you can look up in two seconds with a quick search, and maybe many know about it, but he brought it up, and that's a big deal to me.

The biggest point to me in choosing is that the candidacy needs to be given to a not-so-polarizing figure if we hope to escape this current, incredibly frustrating, age of bickering back and forth.

]]> By: Dee Anna , Green Bay Wisconsin http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-719 Dee Anna , Green Bay Wisconsin Mon, 04 Jun 2007 06:41:38 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-719 No clear winner? Someone wasn't paying attention then because the clear winners tonight were Barack Obama and Joe Biden. I'm no "expert" but I seem to be in line with over 6,000 people who just took your on-line poll. We don't talk. We just vote. No clear winner?

Someone wasn't paying attention then because the clear winners tonight were Barack Obama and Joe Biden. I'm no "expert" but I seem to be in line with over 6,000 people who just took your on-line poll.

We don't talk. We just vote.

]]> By: Justin Frankenstein, Houston , Texas http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-692 Justin Frankenstein, Houston , Texas Mon, 04 Jun 2007 05:54:02 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-692 It was boring actually. I would like to see the Democratic nominees differentiate themselves more from each other. And I think that Hillary should never be sorry for supporting the Iraq war. It shows that she will flex muscle hard enough to dispel terrorism and WMD only that the intelligence gathered by Bush's CIA was downright erroneous, at worst, manufactured. It was boring actually. I would like to see the Democratic nominees differentiate themselves more from each other.
And I think that Hillary should never be sorry for supporting the Iraq war. It shows that she will flex muscle hard enough to dispel terrorism and WMD only that the intelligence gathered by Bush's CIA was downright erroneous, at worst, manufactured.

]]> By: Daava Mills-Chavez, OR http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-675 Daava Mills-Chavez, OR Mon, 04 Jun 2007 05:16:57 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-675 I think Clinton and Obama offered the most, that and it seems to me they spent time actually answering the questions. But I have to admit, I was charmed by Gravels comments. He's very steak and potatoes. I don't think he has a chance in heck in this election, but the other candidates should take a page or two from his book. I think Clinton and Obama offered the most, that and it seems to me they spent time actually answering the questions. But I have to admit, I was charmed by Gravels comments. He's very steak and potatoes. I don't think he has a chance in heck in this election, but the other candidates should take a page or two from his book.

]]> By: Robert Russo, Berkeley, CA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-658 Robert Russo, Berkeley, CA Mon, 04 Jun 2007 04:39:40 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-658 Obama struck me as calm and thoughtful. He seems like a President that would be respected worldwide. He didnt engage in negativity. I was seriously considering Clinton but now Im for Obama Obama struck me as calm and thoughtful. He seems like a President that would be respected worldwide. He didnt engage in negativity. I was seriously considering Clinton but now Im for Obama

]]> By: Steve Spagnolo, South Orange NJ http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-617 Steve Spagnolo, South Orange NJ Mon, 04 Jun 2007 04:04:11 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-617 I though Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden came off very strong in the debates. I still feel that Sen. Clinton comes off very inauthentic and of the rest of the candidates I was not so impressed. Fmr. Sen. Edwards did much worse than I expected of him in this debate. So far I'd say Sen. Obama is my man and Biden for VP I though Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden came off very strong in the debates. I still feel that Sen. Clinton comes off very inauthentic and of the rest of the candidates I was not so impressed. Fmr. Sen. Edwards did much worse than I expected of him in this debate. So far I'd say Sen. Obama is my man and Biden for VP

]]> By: Rich, San Francisco, CA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-610 Rich, San Francisco, CA Mon, 04 Jun 2007 03:54:06 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-610 I was disappointed in Wolf Blitzer's tendency to allow the center-stage candidates to give long, detailed answers, as well as follow-ups, while frequently squelching Gravel, Dodd, Kucinich, and occasionally Richardson, whose opinions were frequently sought as afterthought. Yes, Obama and Clinton are frontrunners, but America is not well served when CNN does a coronation bit -- by deciding which candidates' answers are worth hearing and which are not. Frankly, Gravel and Kucinich and Dodd had some of the most honest and enlightened answers of the night, and their presence, even if none is likely to win a pony show, enhances the quality of the discourse. Let them talk. I was disappointed in Wolf Blitzer's tendency to allow the center-stage candidates to give long, detailed answers, as well as follow-ups, while frequently squelching Gravel, Dodd, Kucinich, and occasionally Richardson, whose opinions were frequently sought as afterthought.

Yes, Obama and Clinton are frontrunners, but America is not well served when CNN does a coronation bit - by deciding which candidates' answers are worth hearing and which are not.

Frankly, Gravel and Kucinich and Dodd had some of the most honest and enlightened answers of the night, and their presence, even if none is likely to win a pony show, enhances the quality of the discourse.

Let them talk.

]]> By: J. D. Peppers, Cartwright, OK http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-606 J. D. Peppers, Cartwright, OK Mon, 04 Jun 2007 03:51:37 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-606 I do agree with you about John Edwards' aggrogance tonight during the debate. I still prefer him over Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama though. I was a little impressed with Joe Biden's performance tonight, he seemed to come up with the "more straight-forward" answers. Dennis Kucinich really proved himself tonight as the Democratic Party's Ron Paul. He's in the run for the office, and really has no chance of getting the nomination so he'll say whatever he wants too. I was disappointed with Gov. Richardson's performance tonight, it just wasn't his best. He can do better and I believe that he actually does have the potential to run our wonderful country. Just remember, It's never too late for Gore to jump in. I do agree with you about John Edwards' aggrogance tonight during the debate. I still prefer him over Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama though. I was a little impressed with Joe Biden's performance tonight, he seemed to come up with the "more straight-forward" answers.

Dennis Kucinich really proved himself tonight as the Democratic Party's Ron Paul. He's in the run for the office, and really has no chance of getting the nomination so he'll say whatever he wants too.

I was disappointed with Gov. Richardson's performance tonight, it just wasn't his best. He can do better and I believe that he actually does have the potential to run our wonderful country.

Just remember, It's never too late for Gore to jump in.

]]> By: Ada, Kansas City, Missouri http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-534 Ada, Kansas City, Missouri Mon, 04 Jun 2007 03:15:30 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-534 According to the audience response and online polls, it looks like Obama and Hillary were clear winners, while Edwards struck out with his negative attacks. According to the audience response and online polls, it looks like Obama and Hillary were clear winners, while Edwards struck out with his negative attacks.

]]> By: Sandy Bayles http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-533 Sandy Bayles Mon, 04 Jun 2007 03:13:06 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/no-clear-winner-from-inside-the-red-zone/#comment-533 John Edwards is arrogant and self-righteous. He sits there and judges his fellow candidates and might as well just come out and call them dishonest. Not good. He's low in the polls for a reason. Don't like him at all after tonight. John Edwards is arrogant and self-righteous. He sits there and judges his fellow candidates and might as well just come out and call them dishonest. Not good. He's low in the polls for a reason.

Don't like him at all after tonight.

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