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[...] current war / occupation / police action in Iraq has become deeply unpopular, with a dwindling supply of heady triumphs and a steady stream of dismal news. Reports of bombings [...]

[...] What does all this mean? Perhaps very little, as we're still well over a year away from Election Day and polling is essentially meaningless at this point. But one thing the "Ronvolution" supporters can count on is this: Today’s top-tier Republican candidates are going to fade into the night as the election nears. Voters will have months on end to listen to Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, and McCain flip-flop, prevaricate, and generally make fools of themselves as they battle each other, while Ron Paul will quietly continue to gather momentum by consistently preaching the virtues of liberty and reiterating anti-Iraq war sentiments the vast majority of the population already endorse. [...]

[...] strongly approves — the people wanting to pardon Libby?). To add the icing on the cake, only 30% of the American people believe in his Iraq war anymore. I can only hope our next President will [...]

Note this from AP…

"Around 1,200 Iraqi civilians were killed in violence in June, a 36 percent drop from the previous month and the lowest monthly toll this year, according to Iraqi government figures obtained Sunday. "

That is around 700 less people who are dead because we are finally doing what we are supposed to do.

Please, Please do NOT pull out the troops preciptously. These people deserve to live.

True Peace.

for those who back the war why not go join the armed forces or make your children to fight this war you so desperatly believe in and possibly give your life???? nothing against the men and women over there now they are only doing what they are told to do. back them 100% for being over there but they need to come home. it was not their choice but g.w.'s. if you back it go fight it!!!!

Let's take a step back! You folks who are supporting the war I have one question?? "Have you even gone there to say it's going well and it's worth fighting for?" I have, twice. The problem is what is our mission now???
First, it was weapons of mass destruction, then it was democracy, then, it's destroy the terrorist cells, now it's bring the viloence down to an acceptable level; what does that mean?!?! Here are some problems:
1)We don't have a clear picture of the enemy.
2) The Iraqi police are so corrupt that you can't trust them and only use the money and equipment for their own personal gain; it's your tax dollars being wasted.
3) Everytime we clear an area, the insurgents appear somewhere else and in many case, the area we cleaned up.
4) The Iraq goverment seems to have a different agenda to an Iraq state.
I am a soldier and I serve the american people. This is really not in our best interest to go on in the long run. For those who support the war why don't you enlist or have your children enlist in the service…I didn't think so! Oh by the way, I'm not a liberal Dem Kathryn and Colin.

The Democrats were voted into majority because the majority of Americans do not approve of this president and his course of actions. The Democrats have been charged with bringing a “change of direction”.

Now another recent article says the Democrats are losing approval. Why? Because they are not doing the job we elected them to do. And Bush is forcing their hand. If you remember about a month ago, the Iraq war finding bill had to be passed. The Democrats asked for a reasonable measure that the Iraqi government was training troops and would be ready to stand on it’s own in a reasonable time. Bush vetoed the bill, saying there would be no time tables for withdrawal.

So the Democrats are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. If they don’t give the troops funding, they’re slammed for not funding the troops. If they give Bush the bill he wants, they’re slammed for not fighting to help end the war.

The problem is BUSH – not the Democrats.

The "Plan" is that the Iraqi government is supposed to have been training troops and is supposed to have been getting itself ready to fight on its own for YEARS. But every time we talk about a withdrawal, our president begs and pleads and cries and stamps his foot and wields his VETO pen, and says "6 more months". Now his latest misguided plan is a "troop surge", which was also supposed to need "6 more months" and is yet another mistake accomplishing nothing toward ending this war. The only way this "war" will end is when there are either no Iraqis left living to fight, or no US troops in Iraq.

Its going on 6 YEARS since Sept 11, 2001. That's longer than World War I, and longer than World War II. So the plan should have been to force the Iraqis to stand up on their own a long time ago. And if they can't, we can't continue to provide their army for them and continue to have our young people dying.

We need to pull our troops out, and let them sort it out for themselves. And its not "Cut and Run" (another Bush administration spin doctor that you people bought). It's 6 years of telling them to get ready on their own, and 6 years of them ignoring us, so they deserve what they get at this point.

I'd also add maybe the US shouldn't be the only country sending troops over there. Maybe if other countries took some of the burden, and sent someof their troops, money, and supplies, then the citizens of the US wouldn't feel like everything was up to us, and we might feel a little less angry about it. But why are we the only country losing young men and women? Why? Because our arrogant, lying, and greedy president and vice president started this war so they could both profit from it – both in terms of votes from stupid "patriotic" people who couldn't see what was really going on, and money, through companies like Haliburton that Cheney made a fortune on by providing fuel and suppies to the troops on uncontested "no bid" contracts.

Its time to impeach Bush and Cheney, end this war, and bring these young men and women home. As long as the Iraqis believe we aren't going anywhere, they will never make an effort to stand up for themselves.

I notice how NONE of the anti-war posters have address the questions regarding the immorality of an absolutest withdrawl policy.

Not one has allowed for how they would address a genocide or regional war killing far more people than are dying today. You cannot hold a position that calls for simply withdrawing troops if you do not have a PLAN for dealing with potential chaos, and ALLOW for reinsertion of troops to avoid these horrible effects.

If you do not allow for the military to deal with methods and time for stabilisation in a withdrawl, then YOU will need to face the fact that your protests led to the unnecesary deaths of hundreds of thousands or more.

Simply "Withdraw the troops" is NOT a plan.

What's the PLAN anti-war crowd?

In reply to "Anonymous" (no city or state) who posted on June 27 @ 9:26 AM:

Nothing like providing a lot of numbers to lend an air of authenticity to your post; never mind that your figures are exaggerated and misleading.

You claim that Saddam Hussein "killed at least 2 million people", compared to "at most 60,000 or so civilians" killed since our government invaded Iraq in 2003 (and the latter have been mostly killed by Iraqi "terrorists").

Where did you get this "2 million" figure??? Are you including the Iraqis killed during their 8-year (1980-1988) war with Iran? Hello-o-o…. most of the Iraqis were killed by IRANIANS, and vice versa.

Are you including people who died from Saddam's policies (e.g. from disease, hardship, etc.), not just those executed by his forces? If so, why don't you include those Iraqis who have similarly died during the war since 2003?? You must know of the study published in the respected medical journal, Lancet, which estimated some 650,000 Iraqi civilians died between 2003 and 2006. But of course, you'd dismiss that as not one of your "responsible sources". Nothing like exaggerating figures that support your opinion, and low-balling numbers that don't support your opinion.

You claim that we're "winning this war" because an average of "only 70 troops a month" have died – compared to higher numbers in Vietnam, Korea, and World War II. Hello-o-….That partly depends on how many troops our country has deployed. The peak number in this Iraq War so far has been 157,000 at any one time. In Vietnam, it was over 550,000. Similar with Korea, and far more in W.W.II.

And your insistence that it's a simple war against al-Qaeda and similar "terrorists" is the same black-&-white distortion that the Bush Admin. has been pushing all along. Ignoring the daily sectarian violence between numerous Sunni and Shi'ite factions. Ignoring the fact the U.S. troops have been regularly attacking and defending against Shi'ite militias & "death squads" in Baghdad etc., not just against al-Qaeda and other Sunni extremists.

Of course, your whole post is degraded by starting off with "I’m positive the Communist News Network won’t post this but….." And of course, CNN did.

4000 young men and women dead for what???????? oilll????? freedom?????
it would have only taken one man to free iraq if the people wanted to be free. we fought our war in 1776. at least we know bush is not the messiah!!!

Why haven't I heard any commentators compare our incursion into Iraq with the British incursion into what became the United States? It didn't work for the better armed, better trained, more war-experienced British red coats because the American patriots were better motivated and on home ground. It isn't working for Bush's war either.

What victory in Iraq? The war in Iraq officially ended on May 1, 2003 with a victory. Speaking on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln, under a banner saying "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED," Bush said, "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle for Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." So, what in the world are we still doing over there anyway?! Now, since 2003, there has been a civil war in Iraq. So, when did the US military become policemen, policing sectarian trife?! What a Tragedy!!

"The President has so far ignored these partisan and spurious shifts in opinion among the masses, as he should. It is his job to do that which he believes to be right…"

If the President "believes" that it is "right" to nuke California, I guess that's his job then.

Bush said failure in Iraq was unacceptable and would make the world unsafe. First, he failed and I accept his resignation. Second, his legacy will be an unsafe world.

To: LCPL Marsh, USMC, North Carolina

Well said. I, along with many other Canadians, would agree with your comments ("Afghanistan is part of the solution, but so is Iraq, Palestine, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc. It's important that we see the whole picture and not get tunnel vision"). However, the problem is unfortunately your leadership (Bush/ Cheney) have purposefully crafted and driven an extreme tunnel vision agenda on Iraq, and it's the main reason why an over-whelming majority in all other developed nations can now clearly see through this smoke screen (i.e. perfect example is the recent quick removal of their closest ally Tony Blair in Britain). The fact that the Bush/ Cheney (gong) show is still trying to "sell" the rest of the world on the merits of this quagmire is/ has significantly eroded U.S.'s once proud stature within the global community, and has jeopardized LCPL Marsh's (USMC) credible suggestion of the need to find a regional solution. The region is now so enflamed with the U.S. occupation of Iraq that the chance of any credible regional dialogue and problem solving beginning is slim to none (witness Ms. Rice's many failed attempts to get any traction with any leader of significance in the region).

Anyway, there is still ample support in Canada to do our part in Afghanistan and hopefully the rest of the developed nations will come back to the table to help further stabilize and re-build the entire region…then the dialogue can begin.

"Fortunately, decisions about whether to go to war are not made by the mob."

They're not supposed to be made by the president, either.

Even if this poll was biased (which I doubt, and would require actual proof to be convinced otherwise), it's not like the numbers would be vastly different. We won't suddenly find that 80% of Americans love the war and the president.

Hats off to your service mt but I too have traveled abroad extensively.

"Over paid, over sexed and over here.." I'm sure that sounds familiar to the Navy, certainly nothing new. Hating America has been a national pastime for old Europe since 1776. While individuals may seem very welcoming, the collective will stab you(especially the military) in the back every chance they get. I've seen it almost everyday for the last 15 yrs, not 6..

As for the LA comment, well.., sorry but you can't sweep New Orleans under the rug, I was there too. Chocolate NO’s has been polarized for quite a while wouldn’t you agree??

To: LooseyGoosey

I have traveled abroad a great deal. During service in the U.S. Navy, I spent time in western Europe during the 80s and early 90s (Italy, France, Germany, Spain, and the UK). I also have spent substantial time (several months total) in Eastern Europe, South Africa, and Indonesia, with those trips all occuring during the Bush presidency. Your ugly comment about Louisiana is pathetic. It is an example of how low our current political discourse has become.

This country was not nearly as divided during the Clinton years as it is now. Our standing in the rest of the world was much better during the Clinton years, too. I don't say that to advance anything about Clinton, as our standing in Europe was good during the Reagan years, too.

I would remind any U.S. citizen willing to listen, that the attackers that killed our fellow Americans and other nationals in the twin towers on 9/11 didn't originate from Iraq nor were they Iraqi nationals. Yet, somehow, we find American fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, uncles and aunts waging a war against an evil force in a place which had nothing to do with the original attack nor the planning of it. Now I ask this not as a liberal or a conservative,republican nor democrat, rather, I ask this just as a free thinking American, Why? Why are we allowing the people we love to be killed for the wrong purpose? Why? I am not pleased to see my child go to war and possibly die fighting against the wrong foe or for a wrong cause. If he/she is on a mountain chasing the decision makers (remember Osama)associated with the attack on the US Cole, the US embassy bombing in Africa, the attacks on the twin towers, I would say go child and fight for the rights of all US citizens to be free of fear from those who have no respect for human life. But, to die in a civil war that our own military intervention may have contributed to it's escalation and not one Iraqi citizen there killed anyone on 9/11 ……. that is not a just reason for any American to die for and no amount of intelligent discussion on this blog can make it just. The only poll I'm interested in seeing is one where those who have served this great country and "all of it's people" in armed conflict and asked, "Was the cause of your sacrifice justified and right"? Now that's worth seeing and for the rest of us who just read the news print, watch the evening and 24 hour news reports, maybe we can learn by listening or reading those poll results. And maybe, just maybe, the commander in chief might listen to his loyal command since our opinions and votes seem to matter very little.

How many times did we see the conservatives suggesting that polls can't be trusted and they're biased? Must be the official talking point of the month for the drones to repeat. I've also seen repeated callings of CNN as the "communist news network". Communism? Do you even know what that means? By any chance, do you think Archie Bunker was misunderstood?

In my experience, citizens of most other developed countries seem to be better informed on world affairs than U.S. citizens. This country is far more polarized today than before he took office.
- mt, Baton Rouge, La.

Guess you missed the Clinton years and have never traveled abroad.

But I do see that when in Louisiana. So please, don't pretend to speak for the rest of us..

Vietnam scarred us so deeply we can't get past our remorse for how badly we treated the returning soldiers from that war. We now are so afraid of doing anything that would not "support our troops." Some conservatives use this fact as a trick or tool. They characterize anyone who doesn't agree with their policy views as not supporting the troops. Anyone using that ploy should be ashamed.

With the deepest respect for the troops, this debate is NOT about supporting the troops. It's about whether our current foreign policy is making our country and the world a better or worse place. It seems much worse to me.

I also find it a bit ironic that the same folks who used to ridicule Hilary Clinton for her mention of a "vast right wing conspiracy," now claim CNN is part of some vast liberal conspiracy. About the only thing one can say with certainty about liberals, is that they are far too disorganized to ever carry out a conspiracy.

It's also telling to look at how the rest of the developed world reacts to what's going on. The approval level for our Iraq policy is low in the U.S., but it's much lower in other countries, including the UK, Canada, and Australia. Those are places that used to be very closely aligned with the U.S. on foreign policy matters. In my experience, citizens of most other developed countries seem to be better informed on world affairs than U.S. citizens are, yet we somehow assume we have all the right answers and the rest of the world is wrong.

I look forward to the day when we have moved past this tragedy. It is divided and wounded our wonderful country. No matter what you think of Bush and his policies, one thing is beyond dispute: this country is far more polarized today than before he took office. That will be a big part of Bush's lasting legacy.

Opinion Research Corporation is owned by InfoUSA. InfoUSA collects and sells America's personal information to the highest bidders. They know everything about you and are in bed with our corrupt House leader. You can bet CNN knew exactly who they were calling before the phone ever rang.

Its no secret. What wrong CNN.., still hiding in the dark?

"To announce that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." — Theodore Roosevelt

Pattie, the US is not a democracy; it is a Republic, founded on individual liberty, not on the tyranny of the majority. What is a democracy anyway but legalized mob rule? And the mob can be wrong, just as it was wrong to approve of Bush's ill-conceived invasion in the first place. You state quite correctly that "We the People" (the majority) allowed the invasion of Iraq in 2003, but even then there were those (the minority) who tried to exercise their First Amendment right to free speech by stating that this war was a mistake. When we did, we were called traitors, told to shut up (thanks to the tyranny of the majority), and harassed by government authorities when we attempted to peacefully protest (another First Amendment right). Perhaps those who didn't "think it through" before we invaded Iraq in the first place should apologize to that minority now?? Don't you understand how this war has damaged US credibility around the world? You’re embarrassed? I'm embarrassed that many people outside the US think that Bush represents the will of the American people. If the majority had had their way in 1776, we'd be singing "God Save the Queen" now. (Thank God that the freedom-loving minority who sought to break with England for the sake of individual liberty.)

it's not question of winning but rather fill the history book ,like the handle of post 911 the bush administration just play a selfish role, bring his own interest first,oil weapons …use the over patriotic and faith feeling of people of usa,to carry on a crusade ,BUSH DON'T BELEIVE IN GOD,and DICK is A DEVIL

So who is the alternative to Bush and the Neo Cons? Its not Hillary, she voted for the war! The only answer in this race is Ron Paul.

The facts are straight forward, but no one articulates them correctly. George Bush started his war (Bring it On!) and George Bush lost the war. Remember, he is the Decider.

Once that fact is understood and accepted, we can together search for the way out that will result in the least additional damage to us and to the world. None of the choices will be easy or pleasant, they rarely are for the losers of a war.

The current policy of sacrificing more American and Iraqi lives, designed only to allow Bush to save face and not have Iraq collapse until after January 20, 2009, is one of the most callous, cowardly and disingeuous in the history of this country.

Someone, Democrat or Republican, is going to have to step forward and like a real leader, get us out of this mess, hopefully with the least amount of additional damage to our great country.

Bring the war "here." … How? They have no active navy. They have no capacity to really -reach- us. 9/11 wasn't the work of scattered pissed off Iraqi Civilians or War Lords — they want nothing to do with America, except to get our asses out of their country. The majority of fighting in Iraq isn't even -with- terrorits "plotting to attack America" — that'd be like throwing rocks at a friggen bees nest — it makes no sense. We have -no- business being over there, at all.

I'm positive the Communist News Network won't post this but what the heck, here goes anyway: I'd like this article posted because I seem to do more research than this 'news' agency is capable of doing.

Wouldn't it be great if the main-stream media in this country reported the terrorist death toll on a daily basis rather then their attempted "advancements" in the war? IE Car bombs.

This year, for instance, the U.S. has killed roughly 650 terrorists a month, according to published reports and Defense Department estimates. That compares with about 37 U.S. combat deaths per month, through May.

The ratio, thus, is about 18 terrorists killed in combat for every allied soldier killed. And that doesn't include the current offensive in Diayala Province, Operation Arrowhead Ripper, which dispatched 159 enemy combatants in just the first five days.

Since the war began, we've lost about 70 troops a month. This compares with 526 a month in Vietnam, more than 900 a month in Korea and 6,639 a month during World War II.

In other words, by any meaningful metric employed, the U.S. is winning this war. But it will never be reported that way.

This is nothing new. Go back to Vietnam. Remember the "five o'clock follies," when the press routinely ridiculed Pentagon casualty reports? The Vietnam syndrome continues to this day.

Only now it's the media misreporting the numbers. Just weeks into the war in 2003, we started hearing the now-oft-repeated canard that Iraq was worse off with the U.S. than with Saddam. This is so plainly wrong that it must be called what it is: a lie.

And yet, it's repeated to this day. Here again, the numbers tell the tale. In his 24 years as Iraq's Stalinist supreme leader, Saddam Hussein killed at least 2 million people. That averages out to about 6,944 a month for the better part of three decades.

Most responsible estimates show that, at most, 60,000 or so civilians have been killed since the war started, about 1,200 a month.

Moreover, no one doubts that Saddam was responsible for all 2 million of his deaths. In the case of the U.S., most of the civilian deaths come from al-Qaida and other terrorists, not U.S. troops.

We got to thinking about this as a result of Operation Arrowhead Ripper, which began a week ago. It involves some 10,000 U.S. troops trying to rid Diyala Province of al-Qaida terrorists. It's one of the biggest, if not the biggest, operations since the war began.

And yet, when we looked for news of how this huge effort in the war on terror was going, the focus was all on American fatalities.

Since Vietnam, the media have approached each military conflict with the same template: "U.S. Wrong, Foe Right." And they've reported accordingly. That's why wanton murderers of women and children are generously called "fighters" by our own media, while errors by our own troops are tarred as war crimes.

So, in a sense, we are losing a war — the war for Americans' hearts and minds, fought daily on America's TV screens and front pages. But in the real war, our troops are fighting bravely and well — and it's about time someone started keeping score.

This poll is probably skewed RIGHT rather than LEFT, due to the fact that most young people use cell phones and have eliminated the land lines they call for polling…SORRY Kathryn from Charleston

The Republicans are going to get slaughtered in 2008.

As I read the comments to the morality of the Iraq war I wonder, is there morality in any war? The fact our country and the world are bogged down in this terrible conflict diminishes our ability to do things in the world that will make this a better place for all of us. This Neo Con administration got us into this conflict for all the wrong reasons and they are not able to get us out. It is “passed time” our government primarily the Congress stood up and realised this nonsense has got to be brought to a conclusion. We can not wait for Bush or Cheney because they are War Mongers and have no realistic plan to draw this war to a conclusion. It is despicable that they got us here and they should be punished for that act. But in the meantime let the smarter and cooler heads get us OUT!

By winning this war it means we won't have to walk around in our own house worrying if today is the day we go to work and get bombed. Do you want to live with that feeling? How can you possibly think we shouldn't be there? WE have accomplished a lot, you just never hear about the good things we are doing over there, you never hear what the troops have to say. And the few you have heard from of course have something negative to say, the left wing media look for that small 1%; they are usually retired and have some sort of vengence against the US Military. I proudly serve everyday in the military and for you to not do your research shows discredit upon you.

Fabio,
I completely agree with your comments on most polling. You have to really scrutinize the source and the professionalism of the poll. It is too commonly a journalists' lie (any information set forth to smudge or bias reality is a lie). CNN tops the list of unprofessional polls. And I like CNN for the most part, but they need to up their poll standards.

I read somewhere the other day that 65% of republicans believe in creationism……….That 30% in this poll today roughly corresponds to these numbers. It's impossible not to draw the conclusion that these people are the simply-not-very-bright of America. These are also the people that self-rightously attend the monster churches that only America specializes in, where faith in Jesus is cynically manipulated to keep people stupid and completely misguided about the meaning of Jesus' words. Jesus – you remember him – he was the one that said 'Love thy neighbour as thyself', and that it is easier to thread a needle with a camel than for a rich man to reach heaven. Those points seem pretty basic; not complicated at all. The sick joke of America is that religious fundamentalists are anything BUT christian in their makeup. Jesus must weep to see how his beliefs have been so brutally abandoned. Shame on you America, supporting torturing, lying, licentious murderers.

An American in Canada (thank Christ!)

I supported this war in 2002-2003, when it was supposed to be about eliminating the Saddam regime and its Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD).

But once we didn't find any WMD, and once the mission morphed into this nation-building/democracy-building venture, it became a silly waste of U.S. resources. Even worse, there is nothing about nation-building by force in the original war resolution passed by Congress in October 2002. It only talked about eliminating the strategic threat from Saddam. In my judgment, Bush has exceeded his congressional authorization–a potentially impeachable offense.

In December 2003, David Kay had reported to Congress that no significant WMD could be found inside Iraq. That should have been our cue to start withdrawing from Iraq and deal with other threats and issues elsewhere.

I never voted for Bush but when he became our president, I accepted him as such because the majority chose him to be our president. That is how our democracy works. It seems easy for a lot of people to complain and put all the blame on Bush. “We the People” allowed the invasion of Iraq whether we agreed with it or not……because many of us did not get involved with the decision nor did we think it through. “We the People” let it happen. I believe when the blaming stops the healing starts. So why don’t we all focus more energy on what we should do now instead of complaining. I do not believe it is morally right to invade Iraq and just leave, but if the majority of ” We the People” feel that it is what we should do, then we should consider it. Personally, I pray not. Let’s brainstorm without all the finger pointing and see if there is potential to come up with a workable plan if the current one does not work. If increasing troops in Iraq is not working, I hope all our energy is not wasted on more complaining and instead focused on finding another solution. Personally, I am embarrassed to think how many people outside the United States read how the American people spend so much time putting down their own President.

The war in iraq or should i say all over is taking its toll on all the people.But now we have a new war .The war at home.The soldiers serving in iraq now and returning are now going back 4 to 5 months after they return.We struggle to fight the good fight but fight harder to keep whats left of our lives together . The surge isnt really what it appears to be. All that is happening is those who are just getting back are simply getting sent back.2 wars in 1 .It's going to get worse.

Bush apologists and the right-wing QUIT making excuses, living in denial or trying to blame CNN for generating a "liberal media" false poll.

In case Kathryn in SC and the gang didn't notice, this poll is consistant with just about every other poll taken over the past year.

Ted said it best…we went into this war on a pack of lies.

NEVER should the US launch pre-emptive wars on a nation that never attacked us. Ron Paul was the only Republican with the guts to tell us the truth.

I am tired of hearing comments that those who don't support the Iraq war initiated on lies and suppositions are NOT SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS! What does one have to do with the other? So your saying even though you feel BUSH initiated a bogus war, we should support it as by not doing so we are not supporting our troops!?? HUH?

Oh, I See! Supporting troops means saying this war was legit, necessary, and constitutional even while knowing it wasn't and at same time knowing our troops are there under misguided, misconceived pretenses, under constant danger and losing their lives daily so as they can feel better about the mess they're in! That is not support, that is sending gasoline to keep fires that should have been put out long ago burning longer while knowing the result will increase death tolls and hardships on all!!

And if anyone thinks for one minute that our brave military heroes who are doing everything in their power to win this war against all odds are going to admit publicly to the world that this war was and still is a losing battle you don't know the meaning of pride and self sacrifice!

It is WE our military family who need to unite and DEMAND that this comedy of errors called a War End Now and our brave, honourable, worthy military return home to their loving, self sacrificing families instead of preserving a fairy tale with no story line, and no happy ending for real or make believe in sight!

I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion about the war in Iraq. There are people who say that we need to bring our Soldiers home and to stop fighting a losing battle. I agree with the fact that we do need to bring our Soldiers home, but if we were to bring our Soldiers home now, we would be making a statement the rest of the world and more importantly the terrorists that we quit after not accomplishing something in a certain timeframe. Also, if we were to bring our Soldiers home now, what would you tell the spouses, children, parents and friends of all of the fallen Soldiers? The ones who gave their life defending our nation so you can sit here in the states safe and able to say whatever you please about the war and how we are fighting a losing battle?

All of you lefties who hate Bush and want to cut and run from this war in Iraq need to read The Coming War with Islam by Solly Ganor. It will enlighten you. Pull your heads out of your kool-aid cup and get smart! Iran and the extremely fanatical suicide terrorists WANT you to believe what youre being told by the enemedia, which is what we call AP, CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC. Pushing a liberal agenda instead of telling the truth about Islam will get us ALL killed. You think I'm kidding? Stop being so partisan and left-leaning and smarten up.Do any of you know what the brotherhood of Islam is? Caliphate? Sharia Law? Wise up! Get educated! Think for yourselves, and quit being willing sheeple to the liberal cause. Are you suicidal?…A BIG Thank you to our brave and noble troops for allowing me the right to speak my mind.Semper Paratus!

One thing you can say for Bush, at least he's smarter than anyone that voted for him…

And I am wondering how many uncounted calls they made to find 30% who don't see through the lies around the Iraq issue. It's true, predicated on falsehoods, motivated by greed for oil companies, including inhumanity by americans, spawning hatred by destruction, we could have salvaged something if we had come home May 2002 now there is only more loosing for us in Iraq – the longer we prolong our leaving the more pathetic we become.

It is very interesting to note that many Americans who want us to pull out completley are the same ones advocating action in Darfur. Make the connection people, if you think what is happening now is bad, inmagine what it will be like if we withdrew. Iraq would be a bloodbath, and the world would just sit by as tens of thousands died. I don't care if you think that we should pull out of Iraq, I don't care if you think that the war was mismanaged, we need to do this if for no other reason than no one else will. We are a global hyperpower, it's time we started to act like it.

Conservative Republicans: WRONG on Iraq, WRONG on Bush

I love it when I read that anyone who doesn't support the war is a liberal traitor. just like Richard Lugar, eh? I guess we'll have to build a lot of gulags for the 70% of us who don't support the war.

What a lot of people don't understand is that we did win the war in 2003. What we're attempting to do now is complete the occupation. We're building a huge embassy in Iraq right now and have no intention of leaving that poor country. probably forever.

Anyone who supports this war is a brainwashed fool. Bush could nuke half the world and they'd still support him.

I despair. Innumeracy seems to be utterly rampant here. Whatever you think of the war, go read a book about surveys. Properly drawn random samples are non-biased. A competent survey design avoids biased questions. Whether CNN does the poll or Fox News, the results should be non-biased — and in fact these polls tend to be consistent with one another. Consider, a Wall Street Journal poll a week or two ago which showed approval for the war at 26% — 4 points lower than this poll.

You are entitled to your opinions. The facts are the facts.

I think any moron who still believes that this war is worth fighting should be denied their right to blog, that is, like the troops have been denied the right to do in Iraq. In other words, Nick in Ashburn, VA and the other puppets and toadies of this administration should enlist and go over to fight the good fight they so strongly support. Lastly, to all who say we havent been attacked since September 11, 2001, I say they should consider how many times we've been attacked since September 10, 2001. This is never discussed and I for the life of me cannot begin to understand how this commander in thief gets credit for anything, especially for this war which he lied us into. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS IS BRINGING THEM HOME FROM A CONFLICT THAT THEY WERE LIED INTO BY THE DRAFT DODGING COWARDS IN THIS ADMINISTRATION.

Jayson, You say getting rid of a dictator was plenty of moral justification to take out Saddam. What's the definition of a dictator; someone who imprisons people for years in secret prisons without charging them with a crime, without letting them speak to a lawyer, without even telling their families they're alive? Someone who approves the torture of prisoners and spys on his own people? Someone who has decided that his ends justify the means? Doesn't that describe the Bush administration, and doesn't it explain why we have no moral authority anywhere in the world? Bush wants to export democracy to Iraq, but doesn't want to practice it in America. A former second generation republican in Tampa.

You people need to think about what you are saying. Have you been there? Do you kjnow what it is like? I dont think so!! The only people who support this war are people who dont have family there. These same people cannot admit their mistakes in electing a lying president because of their pride ("oh I couldn't be wrong so I will stick by my choice"). I have done 1 year in Iraq (so far) and I know what it is like, we are not winning and there is no way we can ever win. How much of the pre-war (un)intelligence actually was true??? How much??? None………….Many troops that I talk to every day do not support the war or bush but are afraid to make this public for fear of backlash. How about the substandard care for the injured troops, what about the 40,000 injuries??? with, I think almost half of those missing limbs. Anybody remember walter reid………thanks bush we thank you for needlessly killing our troops,,,and making the us a villian in the world. The cooalition of the willing,,,,,,,more like the bribed!! with most countries being forced to support the war or lose aid from the US! way to go,, force the world and the uneducated american public into this war…….

Ok, this is CNN and for what the conservitives say it could be biased. Unfortunately this doesn't change the fact that you must be a complete moron to think we are winning. Bush pushed the war on supposed facts that were wrong. Besides that republicans can't admit their war strategy doesn't work. Thanks for digging us in the hole deeper guys!

America should be a truthful country based on freedom. Forcing democracy on a culture that obviously can't make democracy work is not pushing freedom. Lying to the population is not honesty. Still supporting bush for real moral reasons is a hallucination. Sorry republicans, your so conservative that your just not with the times. Wars aren't won by force, and the American dream is changing. Please stop forcing your republican way of life on others, its not American!

Everything is going great in iraq. I wish all of you that complain would get off of your butts and support this necessary war.

One of the best leadership tactics is to clearly define your goals to those you are leading.
How long do you support something that can not be done and whatever it is to be done has not been stated clearly.

This is probably the most embarrassing period in US history. Never has the American public been more misled and abused. All it takes for those who still support this absurd war, is for them to actually do some research so they understand the degree of degradation that the US has suffered during the past few years. But, of course, ignorance is bliss..!

The very, very sad thing here was all this was predicted long before bush-cheney forced America down this path.

Remember this folks.
Congress gave bush the "authority to go to war if all else failed"

Remember the WMD inspectors were all in Iraq before bush launcehed his war. Remember the rush to invade by bush-cheney?

The blood of tens of thousands of humans, 3550 American GI's included are on their hands and those 30% idiotic quagmire supporters.

It is not the Iraqis who are unworthy of the sacrifices of our men and women in uniform but the apparently growing percentage of Americans who have broken faith with the fighting men and women. Most blinded by political rage who can not or will not see what is happening.
No I don't believe Saddam had anything to do with 9/11. I know he had everything to do with murdering 100's of thoussands of his own people using chemical weapons and all manner of torture. I know the jihadists are coming into Iraq for their chance to kill an American. We set the battleground and now it is time to either get behind the ones doing the fighting and dying or it is time to shut up.

Why is it that because someone takes a stand against the current Iraqi policy, that someone has to comment they are from some liberal state? I am from Tennessee, and the last I heard it is NOT a liberal based state. If we examine the evidence, we will see that we were lied to from the beginning, and are still being lied to by members of this administration. Why is it that the Taliban, who were directly linked to 9/11, are being allowed to make a come back because our forces are spread too thin because of our Iraq policy?

It is going to be interesting how history treats this policy. And remember, history is not always written by the victors.

I've noticed that several people have either spoken for the troops or have wondered what they think, so I'll tell you; though those of you invoking the opinion may be disappointed.

Military members are not raised in a vacuum or otherwise distanced and cut off from normal society. We were born and raised in the same environments everyone else was, and our opinions are equally broad. What I suspect would be found, should a respectable polling agency conduct an anonymous survey of the military, would mirror the poll in question here.

Disappointment and discontent are growing at a rate equal to the general populace, and it disgusts me more and more every day.

To you sadly misguided fools that cannot separate supporting the troops from approving what they are involved in–shame on you.

Precisely what support are you showing by backing an immoral war that is continually and needlessly ruining the lives of service members and their families?

If that is what you call supporting the troops, many of my friends and I will be better off without it. Please, don't support me anymore. You could, however, do me a big personal favor and stop procreating.

Even if Iraq is 'won', and every terrorist there is stomped out, our polarizing actions have worsened terrorism throughout the world. We have incensed and enraged not only the dangerously fanatic muslim in the world, but also many of the moderates that are now flocking to the fundamentalists cause. You call this progress?

Something tells me that the 30% statistic would parallel another US statistical range–that of the lower end of the IQ scale.

Pull U.S. troops out. The surge will not work. Wasn't anybody listening when the U.S. announced a surge the United Nations gave an actual count of how many Iraqi civilians had already been killed. I think that put our military on notice resulting in higher U.S. Military death toll.

I would like to see some poll data regarding what percentage of Americans believe it's wise to lead the country based on the outcome of polling data. I suspect not very many…….

Dear CNN,
Why did you edit my original comment, "what a great way to support our troops?" You convienently forgot to add my display of "heavy sarcasm."

For those of you that object to this war and DO NOT have family in the military… How has your lives changed as a result of the war? What exactly is your sacrifice? Has anyone asked you to melt down your cars for scrap metal, like they did in WW II? Seriously, what is the impact on your lives? And don't tell me it is the cost. Even at 8 billion per month, there are 300 million citizens… do the math. Heck, perhaps if Kennedy's immigration bill passes, an additional 20 million people will even lessen that burden.

I never really understand why it is that we try to keep reliving the debate of 2003. Should we go into Iraq? Are we justified? The reality is that we are in Iraq and the country is very broken. So the real question to ask is if we are morally justified in bailing out at this point. Are we as a country willing to let Iraq go the way it would go without us there. We have plenty of blood on our hands as it is, but I have little doubt that the body count if we leave now would put the current numbers to shame. The sad reality is that because it is not our own blood, we'd be quite willing to leave them to kill each other.

Now a number of people have stated that the troop "surge" has been ineffective so far. The reality is that though the surge was publicized in January, all of those troops have not actually arrived to Iraq until this month. Is it any coincidence that this push in Baqubah has only begun now? The clock to test our progress should only start now. I think we've let our impatience undermine our progress before and we are in danger of doing it again.

Why is it that supporters of the war are from locations least likely to be attacked by terrosrists, while the populations of major city centers don't?
I am NOT saying people from big cities are better or smarter or anything like that, but I think it's important for supoprters of the war to ask themselves why is it that the people objectively more at risk from terrorism would not support the war? Do such war-supporters believe the at-risk Americans are just stupid people who don't know what's good for them? or that they would sacrifice their, and their families' safety because of liberal leanings? Personally, I think at-risk Americans know what they are talking about, more so than people who are not at risk and who therefore can afford to adopt less-pragmatic, more jingoisitic reasons for supporting the war.

Dear CNN,
What a great way to support our troops!
Regards,
KL

Who's the 3% with no opinion?! Are these people THAT apathetic? Are they living under a rock? Or do they just care more about Paris Hilton and who won American Idol? As for the people who blindly support the war, I honestly feel sorry for your obvious narrow view of the world and the consequences of irrational actions.
And they hate us, why???

"Without our troops we have no freedom"

Really? Most of our troops are over there.. I still feel free. Of course my state here just said you can't have a propane grill near combustible construction in a multi-unit dwelling (condo) so I am feeling like a revolutionary right now (you can take my grill when you pry it from my cold dead hands). Be that as it may… the original revolutionary "troops" were not really soldiers… just ordinary citizens so even without our troops we are free.

…and if they do come here… it just makes them easier to catch now doesn't it? Especially if this administration could actually come up with some semblance of border control.

… but with GWB in charge.. I ain't expecting anything. He's mastered… low expectations.

We lost this war by beginning it. It was based on lies and driven by arrogance.

And just watch the numbers as more and more people realize the role Bush/Cheney played in 9/11. You ain't seen nothin' yet!

This is my favorite part of this story:

"Asked whether the U.S. action in Iraq is morally justified, 54 percent said no, versus 42 percent who said yes and 4 percent with no opinion. Just two weeks ago, a poll found less than half (47 percent) saying the war was morally unjustified."

So, seven percent of respondents changed their mind about the morality of this war in the span of two weeks. How could this happen? How do you change your mind about the morality of a war in two weeks when nothing substantive has changed in that period of time? What has happened in Baghdad or Iraq in that period of time? Has the violence worsened? No. Has it improved? No. The U.S. did mount an offensive operation in that period of time, netting quite a few insurgent/Al Qaeda deaths. Perhaps that's why the additional 7% think the war immoral now.

Polls are idiotic high school popularity contests elevated by short-sighted journalistic apparatchiks who are too uncreative to find real news to cover. They are used by partisan hacks, who cherry-pick poll results, massage question phrasing, and spin the outcomes to suit their political needs. There could not be anything more loathsome or less honorable than the politics of polling.

The war has provided Al Qaeda training and logistics that they could only dream of – before, they were swinging jungle gyms in Afganistan, and now they are learning to build sophisticated IEDs capable of penetrating American armor and learning how to counter American military tactics. And finally, let us not forget about the "glorious" insurgent videos of attacks against U.S. forces which are all over the internet.

Thanks,
Nadir Ahmed
http://www.ExamineTheTruth.com

I supported Bush until I saw that the war was being mismanaged and he lied about Iraq having WMD's. The surge is not working. My spouse even says we will not win and he is an officer who has been there and now is going back. Our child is 3 wks old – can someone tell me why his father is being sacrificed? More people have died there than on 911, what have we gained? Pull them out, use the money to secure our borders and we won't have to fight them here anymore. Bush seems to forget they are already here fighting us due to his indifference to our border security.

To Kathryn, David, Rick Morrow and other denizens of the 30 percent:

William F. Buckley, George Will and Patrick Buchanan long ago wrote off this war as unwinnable. Last time I checked, they aren't liberals, so that kind of undermines your pathetic, desperate bleating that the poll results reflect a distorted sample. If you're looking for distortion, look in the mirror. Or the White House.

And, if you can idle your random cliche generator for a moment, here are some strictly practical reasons why the United States cannot win this war:

1) We left hundreds of thousands of TONS of munitions and other weapons unsecured after our neat-o invasion. Those items were quickly looted and will provide suicide bombers with enough material to ply their trade for oh, say, the next few centuries.

2) Very soon after our invasion, merchants in the marketplaces and bazaars were selling official uniforms of the Iraqi military and police.

And we're going to win how?

I have to say again, I can easily google and post numerous direct quotes from many liberals long before and after Bush took office that said the same stuff based on the same info that he had including BOTH Clintons, Kennedy, Kerry etc etc.

Just because it is repeated that Bush lied, doesn't make it true.

Now, has the knucklehead mismanaged the war, yep (refreshing to see someone from a same party hammer one of their own unlike the democratic robots).

But I don't care what any of you or anyone that was polled think about the war (I respect your right to opine though), I care about what the men and women say who are serving and overwhelmingly they support the cause and the effort.

Funny how the pollsters and the media don't report that FACT enough.

I served for 6 years and in Beirut and I know how important the bond, belief and sacrifice is.

Godspeed to our troops and I only ask for their safe, quick return.

Well, now we know the percentage of Americans that enjoy living in a perpetual delusion.

The answer is about 30%. As long as Bush continues to talk tough about gays and abortion, 30% of the people in this country will follow him off whatever cliff he chooses.

Mr Edwards, we appreciate your support in Afghanistan, but do you really think the root of terrorism is in Afghanistan? Afghanistan was just the training ground for al-qaeda, a terrorist organization that recruits from all across the entire arab and muslim world. We are dealing with a regional problem, and until a regional solution is found that addresses the political, economic, and social problems that drive young muslims to suicide missoins killing civilians and soldiers alike up we will never see peace. Afghanistan is part of the solution, but so is Iraq, Palestine, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc. Its important that we see the whole picture and not get tunnel vision.

Getting rid of a dictator was plenty of morale justification to take out Saddam. Especially considering we are in large part responsible for him staying in power for as long as he did.

However after it was done US forces should have been moved out into the western and less inhabited portion of Iraq and the Iraqis should have formed their own government without outside interference. Removing Saddam was the right thing, however we should only be there for support, not to run the show. They have the right to choose their own form of government free of pressure by the US, the UN, Iran, or any other government. They also have as much right to life, liberty, and the pursuit as any other person born on this planet.

I am sick of hearing from all these blindly patriotic idiots that continue to believe that this war was/is justified. On what grounds? The WMD that we sold Saddam in the 1980's? Our government should have kept the sales receipts, then we would know exactly how much Saddam had left. Iraq a state of Islamic terrorists? I don't think so. Saddam wanted complete and total control of his people and would never tolerate, let alone share power with any other entity, especially one of a religous nature. Saddam and Iraq were secular. Thanks to "Dubya", Iraq has plunged into an abyss of death and destruction.

As far as our soldiers believing in this war, they have no choice. I am in the health care field and I have spoken to many soldiers that say that they don't understand and fully accept the reasons that they went there in the first place. They also don't want to go back. Unfortunately, they don't have a say. God bless and protect them.

To all the lemmings(read Bush groupies) out there that try to paint liberals in a bad light, I hope you are doing more for the troops than just paying lip service about being supportive and all. Why don't you guys find families and give them money to make ends meet or how about helping out the wounded soldies by helping with medical bills. God knows this administration is not helping the returning soldiers get the treatments that they need. Walter Reed anyone?

For anyone who thinks CNN's poll is inaccurate, here's a non-scientific breakdown of this thread — something even the "30% crowd" can understand.

I see 20 distinctly different people in this thread as of 5:28 pm. In that group, 15 of 20 (75%) do not appear to support the war; 4 of 20 (20%) do; with 1 (5%) not counting as he's Canadian (no offense, Darrell). Again, this is not the scientific polling CNN does, but this still looks like a fairly representative sample to me.

As for "liberal states," quit being bobbleheads and get a grip on reality. People "against" in this thread come from TN(2), OH(2), IL, TX(3), FL, WI, and CA(3) — 4 of 8 (50%) appear to be "red" state respondents. The other side is pretty typical, however: AZ, VA, SC, and NY — 3 of 4 (75%) "for" respondents coming from traditional "red" states.

I know numbers can be confusing, but they are tools the rest of us use everyday.

Fortunately, decisions about whether to go to war are not made by the mob. The President has so far ignored these partisan and spurious shifts in opinion among the masses, as he should. It is his job to do that which he believes to be right, not merely follow the latest poll numbers (particularly given the lack of integrity in the current polling system, which has obviously been hijacked by partisan hacks hoping to score points in the latest media cycle).

I think people around the world understood Afghanistan. But then Forest W. Gump fabricated the reasons to go to war and then lied about it to the public to go commit an act of war in the middle east and didn't plan for anything past the overthrow. Five years later—can't imagine why people no longer think this is a good idea. Good thing he's a Christian…

Let's ask this question: would invading Darfur in the middle of an Islamic civil war be morally justified?

All I read from those who still support this war and don't accept the validity of the survey is the same tired rhetoric: "Without our troops, we have no freedom." "They hate us for our freedoms." What does that even mean anymore?

The fact is support of the war is at an all-time low. Sadly, it is still the will of the 30% minority that is being followed.

For Rick Morrow:

My father is a Vietnam vet, a former paratrooper who still gets together with the strong brave men he served with. My father served his country with honor and bravery, and I respect him immensely for it – how could I not?

But there IS a difference between supporting our troops and supporting a war and president who endangers these courageous soldiers while forwarding his own political goals.

I would follow my father to the ends of the earth, but I will not follow this president nor this administration into those dark depths.

Once again Americans forget to "think"
Many of you voted Bush and Cheney back in without listening to one word they were saying. Those of you who support this war have no evidence or justification to back any of your opinions. The only thing you back is what Bush and Cheney think, while not using your own heads. We have lost International respect and diplomacy because our country has ALLOWED its leaders to be aggressive tyrants on a country that NEVER attacked us in the first place.

The polls are valid, within the stated percentage points. Please educate yourself as to how sampling works. It is no accident that exactly 1,029 people were polled.

During the Cold War, some of us were ridiculed for questioning why our nation was supporting Saddam Hussein in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan. Now we question why we are fighting in Iraq instead of going after the terrorists responsible for 9-11.

We are all Americans and we all want our nation to be safe and our troops' sacrifice to be worthwhile. Neither is true at the moment.

CNN is corrupt and so is its polling. Its not secret. The communist news network is little more than a post a note for liberal trash. No wonder Fox has dominated them in the news rankings for the last decade. But I have enjoyed watching them make excuses for their failures..

Regarding my cell phone comment, the 12.8% is the percentage of people who ONLY own a cell phone and don't have a landline where they can be polled.

Sorry if that created any confusion.

For all those who complain about liberal bias in the polls, please note that people who own cell phones might as well not exist in these polls' eyes. This means that 12.8% of the population, including a lot of young people, college students, and those who relocate frequently (usually city dwellers), aren't getting polled. These groups of people aren't typically conservatives, so if anything, one would expect the numbers to be a point or two lower.

Insurgent violence has increased because they're having to resort to the spectacular in order to try and win the information war. Expect more of that because that's all the terrorists can do. Does anyone read Michael Yon or JD Johannes?

Terrorists even have to resort to using 6 year old children to try and do their dirty work.

The majority of our troops believe in what they're doing. We best support our troops by supporting the mission, and not by allowing the bombings and suicide missions affect us more than the good work our military is doing for Iraq and Afghanistan.

So what this poll is saying is that the American people remain as self centered as they always have since the 60's.

It is completely and totally immoral to support any policy that will allow the situation in Iraq to deteriorate dramatically further. For those who do not think it can, I remind them of Rawanda. Perhaps a more relevant example is the imoral action of the United States in abandoning Vietnam to an orgy of killing that resulted in 1 to 3 million dead in that country alone and regional consequences that led to the deaths in total of nearly 6 million.

It is clear that when a power vacuum is created in Iraq that it will be filled with killing unlike anything seen to date there. Those who advocate total withdrawl, and do not address how they will deal with allowing a genocide to happen or a regional war, will have the blood of millions on their hands. Just like the anti-war protestor of vietnam can never face up to the blood on their hands.

Withdraw some troops. Add more troops. It doesn't matter to me. What I care about is that we do not EVER give up on a people again as we did before. Find a MORAL answer that works.

Instead of polling the civilians in the US.. I would like to see what the troops think of this war, necessary or not?

I am glad to see that the vast majority of U.S. citizens are finally "waking up" to the unfortunate realization that Bush/ Cheney & co. blatantly mis-lead and then poorly executed an unnecessary war in Iraq. This, as a result, has caused irreputable damage to your once proud stature held within the International Community (nice legacy of the dynamic duo to leave behind).

However, even though many Canadians were upset (we voted our Prime Minister – Jean Chretian out of office immediately) that we did not join our good friends to the south in this battle we are proud to be an integral leading force fighting the real root of terrorism within Afghanistan (unfortunately we lost another 4 brave soldiers this week).

Hopefully, with a new U.S. administration just around the corner, there will be a fresh, new approach to engaging and building proper international consensus with which to focus and fight the true battle on terrorism.

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.

What has taken America so long to wake up? I live in the middle of the 30% who are still blind. And the scriptures say "he shall lead the deaf, blind and the dumb"!Amen – and double on the dumb!

You all should be ashamed of yourselves! This entire country and the congress backed our troops and said this mission was worthwhile back when we went to war… now, a specific party, along with their friends in the mainstream press, have decided to take back the white house by spitting out nothing but rhetoric and propaganda against our troops on a daily basis. Instead of backing the effort and providing moral support to our troops and the Iraqi people, they have decided that its more important to sit in the oval office. You know, if you go into a football game telling your players to play hard and beat this team for your fans, you don't change your tune in the fourth quarter and tell them that you can't possibly win, we don't believe in you, and we never should have came her in the first place. More then half a million Americans died in World War II fighting ruthless dictators who did not care about their citizens or those they harmed. Did the press and Democratic Party say that the war was a loss? It was not moral to begin with? And we were terrorists and occupiers? Did we pull our troops out of Germany and Japan when those countries were in chaos? No, we supported out troops every day. We didn't spit anti-war and anti-administration propaganda out onto the airwaves or support those who bashed our president and our troops. We were a different country back then. People were less interested in politics and more interested in their country. I'm sad to say that this has changed. I know that this message will most likely not be posted, but I hope that at least one of these anti-Americans read it. You all should be ashamed.

They hate us for our freedoms.

So, take away our freedoms, and they won't hate us anymore, right?

You can't win a war you have already lost. War is racket General Smedly Butler USMC.

For the person who said we haven't been attacked since 9/11, Anthrax cases still not solved and we know the anthrax spores came from Ft. Dix.

I guess 30% of the people are in denial about this war and all the lies and manipulation by this administration that led us into this republican wetdream. Everything they have said to this point has been lies, and it will continue to be lies, for this is all they have.

Bush had a 89% approval rating right after 9/11, today he has a 26% approval all because of lies, propaganda, manipulations, distortions and something he wouldn't know anything about…the truth coming out!

The Downing St. Minutes memo clearly tells us the administration and president has been lying to the American people and not for the reasons given which have also turned out to be manipulated and distorted and most of the time manufactured for this administrations means.

Robert from NY, NY…even Republican Richard Lugar, a stalwart supporter of Bush's Iraq war says the surge isn't working along with military commanders.

Of course, the powers that be will ignore all the advice and comments made to them that contradict what they believe and will continue leading us down a path with little hope.

The surge is working? Are you kidding me? Insurgent violence has increased month over month since the "surge" began. People who say we're winning the war can't seem to quantify that statement. I support the troops as well. That's why I want them HOME or at least fighting wars that are justified.

Come on Robert. Get a grip.

You insult Kathryn because she asks a legitimate question, then assume I think it's a liberal conspiracy because I'm defending the legitimacy of her question…not of her assumption.

It's obvious you don't care about the how the questions were asked, and to whom the questions were asked…you have seen those blue and red color coded maps of the US haven't you?

It should come as no surprise that this war was not winnable from the start. We were "shocked and awed" that bush invaded Iraq to begin with.

As an independent voter I voted for Bush in 2000. I, however, did not make the same stupid mistake a second time. (As he said: "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.") But as totally wrong as he was to invade Iraq, I fear what might happen if we leave it prematurely. Thanks to him, al-Qaeda is stronger, having set roots down in Iraq where it never was before, thanks to Saddam. Walter Chronkite (the Dubya we can trust and respect) said it will continue to be this way for decades. Thank you, George W. Buffoon, for the disaster your arrogance and ignorance have created.

The results also closely agree with the historical trends of other polls.

YOu can continue thinking this is some huge "liberal conspiracy" … but the numbers match up. I'm an engineer and work with numbers for a living.

They are Americans with telephones, David. Ever take high school statistics?

Robert…WHO are the 1,029 American Adults? WHO are they?

The question that Kathryn asks is legitimate, the demographic sampling of a poll definitely plays a part in the results of the poll.

You need to work on your critical thinking Robert.

This polling is designed and posted by CNN to help support the liberals in 2008. Don't believe any of it.

The surge is working…..

Perhaps Kathryn would be so kind as to define exactly what "winning" is. I search and search and have yet to find a succinct mission statement anywhere. There is no winning this war. It is broken way beyond repair or even common sense. 30% supporting is 30% too many.

Don't tell me…Cheney and Bush is in the 4% that believe the war is going "very well". Jeeze…with leaders like these…

Gee, what a surprise. A CNN POLL. CNN Polls also like Senator Kennedy????

Without our troops, we have no freedom. Of course that is way over the heads of Liberals.

I support President Bush and the troops forever.

For the gentlemen from virginia. “Do you think the Government deserves credit for the country not being attacked since 9-11′? The country has not been attack since, because a terrorist does not attack every day. It was almost 10 years before a terrorist attack before 9-11, It has nothing to do with Bush's tactics. I support the soldiers in everything they do, but still don't agree with this conflict, war, or whatever they want to call it.

A lot of people think it's important that we win this war, but it really comes down to one point: we aren't going to. We've already lost. We lost because the war was not morally justified from the start. It was built and sold on false premises.

It certainly hasn't helped matters that the war and reconstruction efforts have been so badly mismanaged by the Bush administration. They have not wasted one single opportunity to make the wrong choice and get it wrong.

It's time to stop using our soldiers as cannon fodder and time to bring them home.

Exactly, iv.

The more you stick your finger in the ant hill, the more you're going to get bit.

To all those people who say "we have to win this war", how do we do so? Our administration cannot even define terms of victory. Many of the people fighting us are nameless, faceless, countryless fighters. To think that "winning in Iraq" will simply stop Islamic terrorism is absurd and terrorism cannot be defeated solely by military means but my winning the hearts & minds of the people who may eventually become terrorists.

If people really think we are going to win the war in iraq, they are hallucinating. For every terrorist you kill 5 more are born. We should have never went in there in the first place. There are terrorist all over the world, what are we going to do, go after all of them? When one place dies down another will rally back up. Bush is just the blame.

The telephone poll of 1,029 adult Americans has a sampling error of plus-or-minus 3 points.

Need to work on your reading comprehension, Kathryn.

Why is it important if we think if its going well or going bad, the only ones that know this are the men and woman that are serving over there and the majority of them think that we are doing the right thing. So I support the military and I support the cause. Go take a meaniful poll such as "Do you think the Government deserves credit for the country not being attacked since 9-11′?

Why do the lame-brained still current war-supporters still go to the tired "the polling must be in a liberal state" excuse rather than accepting the fact that they're in the minority of people who believe this war is still worth fighting.

I would like to know who they are polling. More than likely it is a place like LA or Vermont where there are a bunch of Liberal Dems. If we were to leave now, its telling the terrorists to bring the turmoil and the destruction to the states. We have to win this war.

My guess is that the 42% who think the war is morally justified are the very same 41% who still persist in incorrectly thinking that Sadam/Iraq had something to do with 911. If you educated those 41% misguided people… then you end of with 1% thinking this war is morally justified.