They are both clueless. Thats why I like to listen to Ron Paul. Someone who knows what is really going on. Plus he voted AGAINST going to Iraq.

ReadBtwthlins … “ME, ME, ME… That’s all I hear from these candidates.”?

Newsflash: Candidates are SUPPOSED to talk about themselves and what they would do if elected.

“Who will they blame for the millions of Iraq’s slaughtered after our pullout?”

Answer: The IRAQIS!

You think we should keep babysitting Iraqis who refuse to step up and fight for their own damn country while we fund their ignorance with more blank checks? And we should spend a few thousand more American lives on a government that wants to take vacations rather than come up with a political solution to THEIR OWN PROBLEM?

And what message do you think you're sending he Iraqis when you say "it'll be worse if we leave", "it'll become a breeding ground for terrorists", and "we have to get them there before they come here"? Let me answer that for you since you apparently DON'T get it.

We're destroying any leverage we have in making THEM do their own dirty work. We're essentially telling them that since we CAN'T AFFORD TO LEAVE, we'll just stay forever and continue doing most of the work for them.

And you wonder why they don't have any sense of urgency and are woefully short of meeting any benchmarks on THEIR end? Why should they, when people like you are telling them we cant (and wont) leave?

What you should be telling them is either get your act together NOW or WE'RE GONE!

They had over 4 years to step up while WE paid most of the money and OUR troops have done most of the fighting and the DYING.

Their incredibly long grace period is OVER!

ReadBtwthlins … "ME, ME, ME… That’s all I hear from these candidates."?

Newsflash: Candidates are SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT THEMSELVES and what they would do if elected.

"Who will they blame for the millions of Iraq’s slaughtered after our pullout?"

Answer: How about blaming the IRAQIS?

You think we should keep babysitting Iraqis who refuse to step up and fight for their own damn country while we fund their ignorance with more blank checks? And we should spend a few thousand more American lives on a government that wants to take vacations rather than come up with a political solution to THEIR OWN PROBLEM?

And what message do you think you're sending he Iraqis when you say "it'll be worse if we leave", "it'll become a breeding ground for terrorists", and "we have to get them there before they come here"? Let me answer that for you since you apparently DON'T get it.

We're destroying any leverage we have in making THEM do their own dirty work. We're essentially telling them that since we CAN'T AFFORD TO LEAVE, we'll just stay forever and continue doing most of the work for them if we have to.

And you wonder why they don't have any sense of urgency and are woefully short of meeting any benchmarks on THEIR end? Why should they, when people like you are telling them we can't (and won't) leave?

What you should be telling them is either get your act together NOW or WE'RE GONE!

They had over 4 years to step up while WE paid most of the money and OUR troops have done most of the fighting and the DYING. Their incredibly long grace period is OVER!

I'm sick of hearing Bush blow hot air about how it is better to fight them over there then here at home…. How about bringing our troups home fix and secure our borders then we will not need to fight them anywhere. It is time the democrats get a back bone and do what the american people voted them to do.

There you have it! MONEY That is the only reason for all this hysteria about the Iraq War. Dems going through withdrawal from lack of spending our hard earned tax money. Total hypocrites all!

On experience

Hillary Clinton does not have the experience to lead the United States at a critical time like this. She lacks the experience to make sound judgment that is required of our commander-in-chief. She failed the test with her vote to authorize the invasion of Iraq.

"The single most important judgment that a president or member of Congress can make is the decision to send our troops into harms way," Obama said.
Chicago Tribune - July 10, 2007.

I believe that the issue of experience is one of the important issues that must be addressed in the presidential race.

Obama’s is the experience that counts most; the experience that helps a leader in making the right judgment, like standing up against the Iraqi invasion in 2002, and outlining most of the possible consequences and unfortunately came true.

George Bush was a two-term Governor of huge Texas but see what he landed us into in Iraq.

Obama is the most experienced of the Democratic bunch. He has the experience that leads to sound judgment.

I bet Obama would have been able to persuade Congress in 2002 to stop George Bush from invading Iraq had he been in the Senate then.

Hillary has 15 years in Washington, but could not make the right judgment when it mattered most. Her experience is actually bad for America; it has cost us thousands in lives and billions of dollars.

Who needs the scores of years in Washington that could not make the right judgments in the White House for another 8 years?

I don’t, how about you?

What republicans need to understand is that there is no winning this war.

We aren't fighting another WW II where after victory we can walk down the streets of a crippled city. There won’t be any tours of the WMD's for the citizens in Iraq like there was of concentration camps.

We were over there for personal gain of the few. If you want to realize a victory lets talk about how your pockets got fat and whenever questioned about it, you divert the attention, or change the laws so you don’t have to face the music like an average American citizen would. There's your victory right there.

Bring our family members, our troops, home, so that they can enjoy the freedom of life. A freedom that wasn't in jeopardy until our bone head president sent them to war.

What republicans need to understand is that there is no winning this war.

We aren't fighting another WW II where after victory we can walk down the streets of a crippled city. There won’t be any tours of the WMD's for the citizens in Iraq like there was of concentration camps.

We were over there for personal gain of the few. If you want to realize a victory lets talk about how your pockets got fat and whenever questioned about it, you divert the attention, or change the laws so you don’t have to face the music like an average American citizen would. There's your victory right there.

Bring our family members, our troops, home, so that they can enjoy the freedom of life. A freedom that wasn't in jeopardy until our bone head president sent them to war.

To answer a question posted above…Sen. Obama would start re-deployment of troops now with the goal of having all US forces out of Iraq by March 31, 2008. He has been against this war since day one and he did NOT vote to continue funding the war the last time it came up for a vote in the Senate.
And CNN…your bias towards Hillary Clinton is palpable! She is always on your page and even when you run an article about Clinton AND Obama, you run a picture of HER! Come on…this man has a really good chance of being the nominee…Hillary is NOT most peoples choice.

Whew…this is shaping up to be quite a battle between Obama and Clinton.

Obama should also confront her on what her plan actually is in Iraq. She hinted that she may not pull out if elected…again trying to have it both ways for the media.

For those holding the original Iraq vote against these candidates, you must forget that 81% of the American people got tricked by Bush in 2002, and they obviously DO NOT hold these votes against the candidates.

I'm from NH and the majority in our state were for the invasion, believing there were wmd's and that SH was an imminent threat. Friggin' Cheney promised America he knew where the WMD's were, on August 26, 2002! And now we know the 16 words were completely Bushs-hit.

But the GOP got creamed in NH in The Thumpin' of 2006, and John Sununu will be out the door in 2008. Time to move on and join the nearly 81% who currently can't stand Bush these many days/years later.

I truly appreciate Barack Obama's original stand, as I had a friend killed in the USS Cole bombing and my "bead" has ALWAYS been on Osama Bin Laden. But I really don't blame anyone for being lied to back then by The Worst President Ever.

Clinton and Robert Byrd are offering an amendment to sunset Bush's original authorization for war today. Whether you support Clinton or not (she's my candidate, but I will be voting for ANY Democrat over ANY Republican), let's ALL support sunsetting Bush's authority from 2002, and making him re-define the mission that hasn't been acoomplished yet.

You're right Joe, Obama/Clinton did vote against the war funding during this last emergency spending bill for Iraq. I was referring to congress as a whole who (democrats and now some republicans) claim to want this war to end, yet continue to fund it.

You must all remember that it was the U.S. who created this mess. Hussein had no part in 9/11 and did not even have WMD's, which as the supposed cause of us going to war with Iraq. We messed up by toppling Hussein. Al Qaida was not in Iraq until we invaded it. They were enemies before, now we pushed Al Qaida into Iraq and we dont know how to get them out. Iraqis are never going to get along unless the country is divided by religions. They are religion fanatics, much like the U.S. is getting now, and have been at war for decades. We should get out, protect our borders and let them deal with their own issues.

"Descent is good, wanting our military to fail for political gain is treason."

How does the military 'fail' by pulling out? Wouldn't they fail by staying in Iraq and continuing to lose men?

Besides, if there are no conditions for victory, can there be any conditions for failure? I think the best we can hope for is to minimalize the effect on the US. We're going to pull out eventually, and Iraq will unfortunately suffer bloodshed whether we pull out today or in 2015, so we might as well save as many American lives (and dollars) as we can. That, in my mind, is the best victory we can hope to achieve at this point.

To Pixie: Last we all heard, these two candidates did NOT vote to fund the war. Did you miss out on that?

I think if these candidates are TRULY against the war, and want to end it NOW, they need to use the power of the purse. QUIT SAYING YOUR AGAINST THE WAR WHILE CONTINUING TO FUND IT. It's THAT simple. If you want our people to come home, then cut off the supplemental funding. This is ridiculous. This is the power given to congress, the power to control spending. They let the President and his minions get away with saying that de-funding the war would "harm the troops". This is a bald-faced lie and no one bothers to call them on it. Instead it becomes part of the political dialogue and an option to taboo to fathom. This is how we got out of Vietnam. This is what the Republican Congress threatened during the mission in Kosovo during the Clinton era. Grow a spine and listen to the will of the people.

Hillary voted for the Iraq War. Boy! I sure can't wait to put my support behind someone who does something like that!

I think its quite obvious that Hillary wants to pull out of Iraq prior to the election. That way she cant be directly blamed for the Iraqi deaths that will surely take place after the troops leave. She will continue to blame others, as is her standard opperating procedure.

Hillary/Obama,
Please give us your timeline for troop withdrawal if elected.

ME, ME, ME… That’s all I hear from these candidates.

Who will they blame for the millions of Iraq's slaughtered after our pullout? The only guy who doesn't want to pull out??

Descent is good, wanting our military to fail for political gain is treason.