July 12, 2007
Posted: 11:33 AM ET

Giuliani’s campaign says the former mayor has always supported firefighters.

WASHINGTON (CNN) – The country's largest U.S. firefighters union Wednesday blasted former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani's performance in the September 11, 2001, attack on the World Trade Center, aiming a blow at the cornerstone of Giuliani's presidential campaign.
Presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani is under attack by firefighters questioning his 9/11 record.

"Mayor Giuliani twisted the heroism of my brother to suit his own mistakes of that day," Rosaleen Tallon, whose brother Sean was killed in the attack, said in a video the International Association of Fire Fighters released on its Web site.

Survivors of the attack and relatives of some of those who died in the twin towers blamed Giuliani for a lack of radio gear they said could have saved the lives of more than 100 firefighters who had been ordered to evacuate the north tower before it collapsed.

And they criticized Giuliani for placing his emergency command center in the World Trade Center complex before the attacks, after the towers had been the target of a previous bombing in 1993.

"He's not a leader," said retired Deputy Chief Jim Riches, whose son was killed in the 2001 attack. "He's running on 9/11, and it's all a fallacy."

Giuliani's campaign responded by accusing the union of being a partisan group, with a history of supporting Democrats. The campaign released a statement from a retired firefighter, Lee Ielpi, who accused IAFF leaders of being "clearly out of step with their membership."

"In 2008, I expect these same union bosses to endorse Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or John Edwards, so today's comments are just a first step in that process," Ielpi said. "Fortunately, rank-and-file firefighters know the difference between politics and leadership."

The 13-minute video is reminiscent of the television ads run by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a Republican-backed group that accused Sen. John Kerry of lying to obtain combat decorations in Vietnam during Kerry's 2004 Democratic presidential campaign. Though contradicted by Navy records and Kerry's former crewmates, the group's allegations damaged a pillar of the Massachusetts senator's presidential bid — his background as a decorated Navy officer.

The al Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington left nearly 3,000 dead. Most of that toll came from the destruction of the World Trade Center, where 2,750 people — including 343 firefighters — were killed.

At the time, Giuliani was nearing the end of his second term as mayor, could not run again and had given up a planned Senate campaign amid a battle with prostate cancer and a messy divorce. His efforts to rally New Yorkers in the aftermath of that bloody day revived his public stature and led admirers to dub him "America's mayor."

The IAFF was already critical of Giuliani's decision to remove firefighters and other rescue workers from the task of recovering remains from the wreckage of the trade center. In the new video, the union argues that 121 firefighters in the north tower could have survived if they had been able to receive orders to evacuate after the south tower fell.

Firefighters reported problems with their radio gear after the 1993 bombing. Union leaders argue in the new video that Giuliani, who took office later that year, failed to solve those problems in the eight years between attacks.

"He gave us nothing when we needed a life-saving radio," says Peter Gorman, a former local president.

Giuliani told the independent commission that investigated the attacks that police and fire departments should have radio systems that allow them to communicate on the same channel, but that the systems are designed to operate differently "90 percent of the time."

He said new radios introduced in early 2001 were withdrawn because they were "too complicated to use" — but union officials say they were introduced without proper testing and firefighters were unable to communicate with them.

During the same testimony, he defended his decision to build the city's emergency operations center in the 7 World Trade Center building, which collapsed on September 11. Local offices of the CIA, the Secret Service and other law-enforcement agencies were located in the same building.

But he told commissioners, "In retrospect, obviously, you wouldn't want to put it there if you had known what was going to happen."

Some of those in the video accused Giuliani of blaming the victims by telling the 9/11 commission that many firefighters decided to "stand their ground" when ordered to evacuate. The commission's staff reports partially support his testimony, concluding that some firefighters put off evacuating to help injured or handicapped civilians.

But while some firefighters, including at least two battalion chiefs, received the evacuation order, "other firefighters did not receive the transmissions." The system was overwhelmed by radio traffic, and some of the firefighters had rushed to the scene while off-duty without their radios, the report states.

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Paul, New Orleans, LA   July 13th, 2007 11:10 am ET

I am still waiting on some Rudy supporters to convince me why Rudy knows more about foreign policy than RON PAUL. Anyone???

Ap   July 13th, 2007 10:07 am ET

Its about time someone stood up to this fraud for what he is: a guy who made a career after 9/11. Its one thing to give a guys some political leeway for just being the mayor at such a tragic time, but that by no means makes him a good leader like everyone says he is. People like him and Bush need to stop crying about 9/11 to pick up some votes.

I met his daughter once and she says he's a disgusting man.

Heather Simpson, Atlanta Georgia   July 13th, 2007 9:01 am ET

Finally, someone realize that Giuliani is not a leader. Outside New York, he is only recognized for September 11. That is is only fuel igniting the fire. He never listened to the people of New York as a Mayor and he sure won't as a President. So many small business owners thriving to survive in New York lost their business because a voice that never understand the middle and lower class muffle their cries.

Alessan, nyc   July 12th, 2007 11:45 pm ET

If any candidate in this race deserves
this, it's ex-Mayor Guiliani, tough on what…he wasn't around long enough to be tough on anything, except bums, and
graffiti. He failed on 9/11 and everyone that doesn't live in NYC should know it, he's got the people of Iowa, NH and SC fooled, now they know the truth about Rudy.

Toastie   July 12th, 2007 10:47 pm ET

How drugged up and oblivious to FACT and REASON are some Americans?

Take Dorothy of Standish, Maine:

"Who in this country aside from the terrorists plotting this horrible attack, could ever have imagined such unspeakable horrors. No one was prepared for such an event".

Um, Dot, do you get all your news from Fox? The FBI, the CIA, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES all knew that there was the possibility of terrorists flying planes into buildings. Condy Rice showed Bush the memo while he took a month off to clear brush in Crawford. The memo said, "Bin Laden determined to attach…" and went on to describe how he might do it.

Rudy Giuliani has profited $100 million from his post-9/11 consultancy. Who cares if the firefighters are Dems are Republicans; the FACTS are clear that Rudy made critical mistakes that COST LIVES. He is an opportunist at best, at criminal at worst.

God Bless Rudy? He'll need a lot more than God's blessing when his judgment day comes.

Dot, get your head out of the sand already. It's been 6 years since 9/11; you need a reality check.

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EMSHighway, Queens, NY   July 12th, 2007 7:50 pm ET

Apparently people aren't getting it. Firefighters advised the radios didn't work. Rudy and his boys took it upon themselves to buy new radios that still didn't work. No testing, no bidding, just push the radios out, Rudy knows best.

Rudy knew best and put his OEM office in the worst possible location no matter how much people who had to work there complained.

Before during and after Rudy's staff had to clear every press release that came out of any department no matter how small it may be. I was at several crime scenes where Rudy walked right in the middle of everything (even though he was told different) and ruin the scene. He is an ego maniac and will ruin this country worse than Bush has.

Tyler, Orlando FL   July 12th, 2007 6:44 pm ET

Why did Giuliani put the Emergency Management Center IN the World Trade Center? Does that sound like a smart idea considering that location was attacked in '93 and was a hot target for terrorists? Why are people so foolish to vote for Giuliani? Why do people let him scare them with his propaganda and fact-less statements?

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Gary, Denver, Colorado   July 12th, 2007 5:17 pm ET

The only claim to fame Giuliani has is running down the street screaming "Intruder Alert", Intruder Alert". The Fire Fighters, the true hero's, the ones who really know what happened, have spoken. That's good enough for me. I think we owe it to every American that fell that day to expose Giuliani for the cheap opportunist that he is.

Sean, Orlando   July 12th, 2007 5:14 pm ET

What do you mean "New Yorkers don't like Rudy?" Are you kidding me? I suppose that's why he had a 60-40 lead over Hillary in the New York senate race before he withdrew for cancer.

You people really need to get your facts straight!

Don’t P.O. Firemen « Illinois Reason   July 12th, 2007 5:02 pm ET

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James, New York, NY   July 12th, 2007 4:02 pm ET

New Yorkers do not like Guliani. Why should the country? This guy left behind a complete mess in New York City, from the educational system to the budget deficit to the mess of the MTA transit system. His campaign is a joke, he doesn't even know we have partially socialized health care in the US. He had some soundbyte moments on 9/11 and is trying to cash in. Those of here remember him fondly as Wyatt Earp.

John, NYC   July 12th, 2007 4:01 pm ET

WOW, these comment pages really bring out the conspiracy theorists and flat-earthers!

On Rudy, the homeland security guru–I don't see him really running on much other than the fact that he happenned to be mayor at the moment the towers fell and ran down the street to see what happened–pretty thin stuff. Kind of like me holding myself out as a cardiologist because a man had a heart attack in my presence and I called 911.

yousuf, astoria, NY   July 12th, 2007 3:56 pm ET

The only way RG can get my vote or American vote is If he admits that our foreign policy is the cause of 9/11, the support for Israel and building military bases over the middle east for the interest of its oil…RG needs to admit to that and we will all vote for him…maybe…

Mike, HI   July 12th, 2007 3:34 pm ET

I'd have to agree with those saying that Giulani gets recognition simply for being the mayor during the attacks. The only way for the mayor (or governor, or president) not to be a 'hero' following that would require a degree of incompetence unheard of from any functioning adult.

I don't want to look at my president and think, "Man, he'll know what to do if we get attacked." I want to look at my president and think, "He's not going to let us get attacked." Yes, it may be unfair to criticize him for not considering two planes crashing into the WTC. And since he's been out of office, he hasn't had the opportunity to prove that he knows how to stop an attack or minimize the damage of one. But in that case, he shouldn't spend all his airtime talking about how he can protect us from evil terrorists. His record doesn't support it. Maybe he should focus on other issues that would help the common American citizen.

Again, I want a president that knows how to keep us safe, not how to respond after we've lost American lives. And, in my opinion, that's not done by more wiretapping or secret prisons; it's done by getting the world to like us again. And if Giulani can't even admit that there is a rational explanation behind such hatred-the federal government's persistent intrusion into foreign countries and holy sites-then he seems incapable of making us safer.

NS, New York, NY   July 12th, 2007 3:34 pm ET

As a New Yorker I just want to address those Red Staters who are asking why the Firemen waited 6 years to make these charges- we here in NYC have been hearing firemen make these complaints for over 5 years. Just because you've never heard them before doesn't mean they didn't exist.

Adam, Washington, DC   July 12th, 2007 3:34 pm ET

Gee Susan, I hate to break it to you, but Rudy is neither an Anglo Saxon nor a Protestant. So, I'm not sure where you get off calling him a WASP.

Paul, New Orleans, LA   July 12th, 2007 3:24 pm ET

Why would we as a country want someone with no foreign policy at all? Ron Paul took Rudy to the woodshed about blowback, do you Rudy lovers even no what that is? Can any of you Rudy lovers explain what foreign policy experience he has? He does not even know what blowback is. He did not even know that the government installed our on ruler in Iran in 1953 and numerous other central american countries. Please Rudy lovers, enlighten me on why I should even consider Rudy and not RON PAUL!!!!!

Marcia Pierce Ramsey New Jersey   July 12th, 2007 2:56 pm ET

What are these nonsensical comments saying that he should be deported? Gulliani is a natural born American citizen (or else he couldn't be running for President) and therefore cannot be deported (deported to where?).

Shawn, Kansas City MO   July 12th, 2007 2:51 pm ET

Regardless of how well or how badly you think RG handled the events of 9-11, the point is that one event does not qualify you to be President. One needs to take a broader look at the person's political record and see how he/she has performed when it comes to the issues and leadership ability over the long term.

You should ask yourself what Giuliani's record was prior to 9/11; was he loved or hated by the people that elected him? Did he provide a vision for the city and move it forward or did he use his position to line his and his friend's pockets? What did he do for education, unemployment, crime? If you can't answer any of these questions, then do you really know if he would be a good choice to lead this country?

It's wrong to criticize the actions of anyone that was put in the position RG was during 9/11, it was a tragedy and no amount of preparation could have stopped it. However, it would be another tragedy to put that person in charge of our country based solely on the sympathy created from that same event.

MS, New York, NY   July 12th, 2007 2:20 pm ET

Unions are the ultimate terrorists! On 9/11 everyone did their share and Rudy showed great leadership. If anyone should be accused of using 9/11 for personal gain, it should be the unions who blackmail to get more and more and more.

Mike, Denver, CO   July 12th, 2007 2:19 pm ET

RG was just a shmo in a place on 9/11 and he did a mediocre job at best. There seems to be a desire to paint him as some sort of a hero for God knows what reason. At the same time, his many flaws are beign glossed over. Clearly, if his performance on 9/11 is some sort of pillar on which his campaign is being built, its a one-legged stool with a weak leg.

D   July 12th, 2007 2:01 pm ET

Yeah I want to blame someone for 9/11!

The blame goes to Rudy Giuliani for his handling as New York Mayor of the devastation that followed.

We always knew it and no body could do anything about it until now. Rudy has the nerve to come out and ask for votes for President no less.

Granted, he is not a good person.

Rudy is not a good candidate for President.

Rudy does not support people…he expects people to support him.

well the public is now on to his game. No one supprots him and no one wnats him to run again.

What did David Dinkins say about this guy when he lost the first time?

New Yorkers knew then Dinkins was better than Giuliani.

Giuliani does not respect political parties chosing to be independent. Maybe if he was truly aligned with a political party eith rep or dem not so many firefighters would have died on 9/11?

Why can't the WTC be rebuilt? Look the same be the same and feel the same? Why does it have to be a tomb with lights? Rudy thats why.

Ryan, New York, NY   July 12th, 2007 1:50 pm ET

Jon in Sacramento - If you think this is the first time this criticism has come from firefighters, you're very incorrect.

These criticisms have been spoken all along and have been amplified by his run at the presidency. It's too bad that you're just hearing about it for the first time. Obviously the "liberal media" isn't doing a good enough job. Here's one as an example from 2002. Just note that these "liberals" supported Bush in '04.

"Stephen J. Cassidy, the current president of Local 94 whose name appears on the press release endorsing Bush in 2004, has reportedly criticized Giuliani in the past. An October 12, 2002, Newsday article quoted Cassidy as saying that "[a]lthough Giuliani is 'the most despised man in America' among firefighters," they would not stage "an overt protest" at a memorial service that day. Instead, Cassidy told the paper, "We decided that this is a solemn day for our families and our fallen brothers so we decided to tell them they should sit on their hands," rather than having "uniformed firefighters stand and turn their backs on the former mayor."

If you had a criticism, wouldn't you vocalize it more now that the person who you felt let you down believes he can run the entire country?

D   July 12th, 2007 1:49 pm ET

So, am I correct to understand NYC firefighters DO NOT LIKE Rudy? Hmmm..

Could it be because they had no radios?

No fire protective suits?

Closed local firehouses for funding disputes?

Who ever heard of a man who parlays the death of more than 300 firemen into a Presidential race?

What has Rudy done anyway that supports President Bush or the American people?

Is Rudy really a Republican? Or just an opportunist?

I bet Rudy's big ego loves seeing all the outrage people are sending into CNN. He should remember all the pain and suffering that he could have done something about to at least soften the impact on NYC residents and workers.

Rudy chose to do nothing. He was too busy with his personal life and not his mayoral responsibilities.

GO AWAY RUUDY! What a disgrace.

George, Champaign, IL   July 12th, 2007 1:40 pm ET

For those few who defend "America's Mayor": Nobody blames Giuliani for the terrorist attack, but he's rightly condemned for profiting from the event. If it's really Rudy v. Hillary then the end of this country is not far away. And the people (or Diebold) is responsible for it.

DA, Frisco, texas   July 12th, 2007 1:40 pm ET

Rudy Giuliani should not run for President. He should quit the race. For a man with such a long record of poor performance I am surprised he ven decided to run.

Rudy will lose.

Phil Memphis, TN   July 12th, 2007 1:39 pm ET

No one is blaming Giuliani for 9/11, and only a few are criticizing his reaction to it immediately AFTER it happened. He is being criticized for preparation (not learning lessons from the original WTC attack) and for his seemking glee in using the event to further himself financially and politically. He appears to lack the necessary ethics, or any other qualification, that would make him a good choice for President. If the Republicans were smart they would get him out of the mix, because he can't win and will only steal the spotlight from more serious candidates.

Andrew, San Diego   July 12th, 2007 1:37 pm ET

Douglas, you should be deported for having the worst grammar!

TC Plainfield IL   July 12th, 2007 1:34 pm ET

On September 10, 2001, Rudy Giuliani was a lame-duck mayor and the punch-line of many late-nite talk show jokes. On September 11, as mayor of NYC, he basically did the job he was paid to do. A lot of people, including NYC firemen, dont appreciate that he has used the terrible events of that day to reshape his political image. He has also made a personal fortune based on the image constructed that day.

Pete, T.S. FL   July 12th, 2007 1:31 pm ET

Ladies and Gentleman,

No chance JUDY can ever be considered a viable candidate for President. His claim to fame was 9/11, and quite frankly those tragic events saved his politic life.

Judy we will not elect you!

“WE THE PEOPLE”

Andrew, San Diego   July 12th, 2007 1:31 pm ET

It's interesting that CNN is scrubbing thse comments. Two of mine, both supporting Guiliani, have been removed. How is it that all comments are negative? I'm calling Fox News…

Steve, Indianapolis, IN   July 12th, 2007 1:28 pm ET

I wanted to like Rudy, I really did. Especially after 9/11. But picture after picture kept coming out, and those Yankees games where he'd stand up and just look like he was just absorbing the adoration - looking like he was thinking "President Rudy…I like the sound of that…"

Not to mention the guy said in a speech in 2004 about how we "got the job done in Afghanistan," we were "taking care of business in Iraq," and (worst of all) "thank God George W. Bush is our president." Slimy…

Lynn, Vancouver, BC   July 12th, 2007 1:24 pm ET

Hopefully American voters will not fall again for the "only I can keep you safe" argument. Your country needs a person with vision and platforms beyond being in "the right place at the right time." One could hardly imagine ANY politician who wouldn't have risen to the occasion of the tragedy of 911. You voted for Bush for the same reason and the rest is history.

Americans and certainly the rest of the world do not deserve more of the same narrow view of the world.

DJ, Los Angeles   July 12th, 2007 1:10 pm ET

“He’s running on 9/11, and it’s all a fallacy.”

The Deputy Cheif is 100% on the mark and it is painfully obvious that Rudy's entire campaign is based on the premise that he was a "leader" that helped NYC after the 9/11 attack. Yet even is that is true, it hardly qualifies him for President.

It's a shame that the Republicans seem intent on using FEAR-MONGERING and 9/11 as a crutch to get votes.

Quincy, Chicago, Illinois   July 12th, 2007 1:09 pm ET

Americans, would any of you go into a burning high rise without any means to communicate with your central control to evacuate if the situation became life threatening? Probably not, but, firemen and policemen take that risk to save our lives willingly. In comparison, what risk or action did RG take to save even one life on 9/11? His duty was to ensure that the public servants saving lives in the twin towers and the surrounding area were equipped with the proper means and equipment to do so while they themselves had a fighting chance to also survive. We now know he did not fulfill that awesome responsibility. So, how does his action there, make him qualifed to be the leader of the United States. It comes down to trust America. Who do you trust to look after our backs? This leader did a poor job of looking after his most valued servants. I personally don't want me, my family or even you to be sacrifced for another person's mismanagement, financial or political gains. We have already sacrificed too many lifes for a misguided and mismanaged war. When the opposing citizens disagree with a postion 3 or 4 to 1, when does the 1 start to revisit their facts?

l perez ediosn nj   July 12th, 2007 1:08 pm ET

how sad these firefighters are using the memories of their own families to back their political agenda.

David, New York, NY   July 12th, 2007 1:00 pm ET

I find it ironic that Giuliani can maintain national stature based on 9/11 (in which his only real positive was get on T.V. before Bush, to advocate calm). He certainly has done little for the city since, and I don't think he even spends time here. Once the rest of the nation gets to know him better his campaign will fade. I mean what about 9/11 makes him a hero compared to the rest of us?
He even offered to stay as mayor past his term of office. How very dictatorial.

Michael, Pittsburg, PA   July 12th, 2007 1:00 pm ET

I guarantee every single one of you was praising Rudy a few years ago. Funny how this changes at election time. I'm not sure who I feel more sorry for — you or the 'I'll-sell-my-soul-for-anything' firefighter union.

Also, no mention of the many terrorist attacks under Bill's watch. Funny how you libs forget the past. Hmmmm…who shoudl Bill pardon next?

John Baton Rouge, Louisiana   July 12th, 2007 12:59 pm ET

Why would a union do this? Politics
maybe.

patty, hickory, nc   July 12th, 2007 12:56 pm ET

this event occurred in 2001 and it takes firefighters about 6 years to come up with criticisms.

Andrew, San Diego, CA   July 12th, 2007 12:54 pm ET

And one more thing for those of you (99.99% filthy libs) who criticize Guiliani for "parlaying" 9/11 to his advantage - how can you say this about him and not say the same about Hillary? Seriously! Stop being pathetic! You're siding with a lying woman who is only a senator because her husband was president. That's the difference - she would be a no one if not for Bill.

R.C. Pittsburgh, PA   July 12th, 2007 12:52 pm ET

Just like a bunch of politicians, try and discredit the working man for voicing his opinions. Shame on the Republicans for trying to smear the credibility of firefighters (aka America's 9/11 Heroes).

Karen Saucedo, Novato California   July 12th, 2007 12:50 pm ET

I urge everyone to read 102 Minutes by Jim Dwyer and Kevin Flynn. The facts are there and they are shocking. Rudy Giuliani comes out smelling criminally incompetent, or worse. Giuliani is the ultimate con-man and for him to base his bid for the presidency on anything having to do with 9-11 is not only ludicrous, it is immoral.

Why do I beleive the facts in the book?
Because the authors have excellent reputations, the facts are backed up in spades in the book, and Giuliani has never disputed them (at least not successfully).

Robert Brodowski, Liverpool, NY   July 12th, 2007 12:49 pm ET

Rudi Guliani has led all of us to believe that his presence and "leadership" after 9/11 is sufficient to make him a viable candidate for President of the United States. What did he do that any other Mayor of New York wouldn't have done after such a calamity? If he is the representative of the Republican Party in 2008 for our Country's highest office, he will and should lose.

Andrew, San Diego, CA   July 12th, 2007 12:47 pm ET

Leave it to the guys who work like five days a month to run their mouths.

Firefighters are such pains in the ass. Just ask any city attorney who had to negotiate with them. The sense of entitlement they have is pathetic.

Don, Staten Island NY   July 12th, 2007 12:45 pm ET

I will never understand why Rudy got the label "America's Mayor" and the accolades after 9/11. Would someone please explain any special act he took on 9/11. He went down to the site, went to Washington after, but I never saw him do anything anyone who was Mayor at the time would have done.

He didn't do anything special. He was just the guy in City Hall on that day.

Jayson, Tulsa Oklahoma.   July 12th, 2007 12:37 pm ET

Interesting, considering how much stuff the firefighters of New York looted after 9/11.

Anonymous   July 12th, 2007 12:36 pm ET

To the people who are saying that this attack was impossible to forsee are forgetting about the failed plot to blow up the WTC before. 9/11 wasn't the first time the WTC has been targeted people. I'm not sure how much it was to lease floor space in the WTC but I know it wasn't cheap. Couldn't the mayor find cheaper office space in a building that didn't say "Target!" all over it? Not fiscally responsible. The WTC was a national & internatioal landmark, a symbol of our country. The intelligence community knew before 9/11 that national landmarks are prime targets for terrorists foriegn and domestic. I doubt Chicago has its Emergency Center in the Sears Tower, at least I hope so.

P.J.   July 12th, 2007 12:35 pm ET

I am not for or against RG, but would like to say for my two cents:

1) so you all think you know better how to run the government. Did you vote in the last election?

2) As far as getting rich: it appears that many of the families that lost loved ones GOT RICH via the $$ collected for memorials, insurance from private insurance, and the $$ from lawsuits.

Did WWII families get anything near what these families have received?

Wives, get your behinds out and WORK for a living. So you can't live in a 4,000 sq. ft. house anymore Downsize!

Many of you just show your ages by your comments….you're of the "ME generation"; me, me, me, give me more; everyone owes me.

Carolyn Davis   July 12th, 2007 12:33 pm ET

Giuliani leaves a sour taste in my mouth. He should be ashamed of himself in the first place for trying to use this very real tragedy to further his political ambitions. I have no doubt those firefighters have a legitimate reason for not supporting him. He adds insult to literal injury when he accused them of being "partisan" like it's a four letter word. In classic Bush style mean spirited demagoguery; he denegrate's the real victims for his inept leadership. If he didn't have sense enough in 1993 to have better safty precautions in place maybe some of those people would still be alive! Someone should remind him this is till America and its not a sin to be partisan, that's how citizens express our opinions; just like he does. This idiocy from a man who kicked his wife and kids out of Gracie Mansion!

Ryan, New York, NY   July 12th, 2007 12:28 pm ET

I find it interesting that all but one of the New Yorkers in this section are criticizing Guiliani, yet people from thousands of miles away seem to know more and want to honor him for guiding New York through the aftermath of 9/11.

I'm with the New Yorkers on this one. It wasn't Rudy, with his poor emergency planning, that guided the city through the aftermath. It was the people of New York that got us through that difficult time.

The fact that this man is making his political career, that would have ended uneventfully, out of 9/11 is a dishonor to the victims, to New York City and to its residents.

The only thing that he did was "clean up" New York for all of the tourists by creating a completely franchised Times Square that actual New Yorkers never visit unless they're going to a Broadway show or going to work. In the end, he did a great job of gentrifying the whole city and turning it into a large version of what every city in America would be like if it were up to the large corporate conglomerates. He closed many of the nightclubs (now taken over by international chains), simply moved all of the peep shows a block west, and moved the prostitutes indoors to the hotels rather than out in the streets. As long as you can't see them, right?

While pursuing that, he did nothing to fix some of the real problems that residents face, like the lack of adequate subway systems. At the same time, he also trimmed $6 billion off of the school budget, causing public school test scores to plummet.

Yeah, he's exactly what we need in this country…

Anonymous   July 12th, 2007 12:21 pm ET

I believe most American voters do not want another George Bush. Sorry Giuliani, Just because these fake polls claim you are "The Man" doesn't make it so. For that matter none of the candidates from either party (more George Bushs under different masks) that the globalist elite Big Business, Big Greed Factor are pushing, are what the vast majority want and certainly mot what we need.
Nearly all newspapers and mass media in this country owned and controlled by a hand full of globalist billionaires are censoring America's true patriots to force Americans to choose any one of their bought and paid for candidates. We are being lead down a path which we are expected to exercise out constitutional right and elect the one we least mistrust and dislike as long as it is one of theirs.

I do not believe it is going to work this time. Just as the senate was recently rudely awakened to the fact Americans were no longer tolerating their "business as usual", so it will be in the next election. And not just for President.

Shawnie - Grants Pass, OR   July 12th, 2007 12:16 pm ET

There seems to be a consistent pattern of poor relationships in Giuliani's professional career and personal life. Don't forget the divorces and the children who won't even speak to him. It matters. You want someone like that dealing with foreign nations? I'm Republican as well.

Douglas Ft. Worth TX   July 12th, 2007 12:16 pm ET

Rudy should be Deported he is worst politician in history.He hopefully wont be remembered since he is only for gaining money and talking about 9/11 like he is a hero. When really its people like us firefighters, police, and doctors and medical crews who saved lifes. Rudy did nothing and is a disgrace

Charles Houston, Texas   July 12th, 2007 12:09 pm ET

I can not believe New York Fire Fighters are blaming Rudy for 9/11. Although I am a big Rudy fan, but come on guys.

New York Fire Fighters are point the finger at the wrong person.

Maybe they should have just stayed out of the buidlings all together. Only thing they did was crowd the stairwells.

Besides, you dont hear the police crying fowl because they didnt have radio communications.

I am sick of hearing about New York Fighters. They have turned into a big bunch of babies.

Ray, madison, al   July 12th, 2007 12:02 pm ET

All this time since 911, he has recieved nothing but praise for his actions, and now all of a sudden they are going to blame him for loos of lives. Thats the problem with this country everyone always wants to blame other people for everything. Its the same ols scenerio over and over again.

Brad B, Naperville IL   July 12th, 2007 12:00 pm ET

Ug, I don't know how anyone can support Giuliani's campaign for president and I consider myself a conservative. This guy is just as bad as Bush in my opinion, and it will be a sad day if he ever gets elected. I'd actually vote Hillary over him *cringes*

Jon, Sacramento, CA   July 12th, 2007 12:00 pm ET

WOW… the Firemen's Union was so concerned about Rudy's actions that they waited SIX YEARS to make these announcements.

IF the Union had legitimate complaints they hosed their credibility by waiting until a politically opportune moment.

Anonymous sister. Santa Cruz, CA   July 12th, 2007 11:58 am ET

My brother who was a NY firefighter during 9/11, spent hundreds of hours searching the mess of ground zero for people, bodies, parts of bodies, or anything to give a family some sort of closure. While RG was getting attention, praise, and money for his actions, my brother and the rest of FDNY never even recieved a bonus, let alone a pay increase for their hard work.

RD HERRING HOUSTON, TX   July 12th, 2007 11:57 am ET

As a retired, former firefighter, I can say this is another case of a liberal, left wing, AFL-CIO move to discredit another Republican politician who has a reasonable chance of being the candidate for Pres. in '08. Standard Operating Procedure for the massively democratic, high pressure, "union boys" who try to compel and pressure local firefighters into voting nationally the "AFL-CIO", democratic party ticket. Yes, Rudy is human and made some mistakes as mayor, but his response on 9/11 was lauded long, and CLEAR, across the USA as citizens watched the response by television. Retired firefighter Lee Ielpi has made a very poignant statement about the truth of the matter…the AFL-CIO is ONCE AGAIN, out of step with its memberships feelings.

Rudy no Duty to his fellow man   July 12th, 2007 11:57 am ET

Finally someone tells the truth about how this scumbag was allowed to let this happen, allowed to LIE about it, and now allowed to run for the presidency of the United States! See the BBC clip of them MENTIONING that tower 7 had fallen (20 MINUTES BEFORE IT FELL!) And how the Enron case materials were in building 7, and so on and so on. The truth truly shall set you free

diane jones, miami, fl   July 12th, 2007 11:46 am ET

I have one question. As of this date, do the firefighters have new and improved radios and equipment provided to them since 9/11 under the leadership of Mayor Bloomberg?

Anastasia Beeverhousen   July 12th, 2007 11:43 am ET

Rudy did the best he could with what he had. No one was prepared for what happened. The fire fighters were the first soldiers in the war.

Jaye, Williamsburg, VA   July 12th, 2007 11:43 am ET

Rudy Giuilani is not Presidential material with his shallow-minded thinking and lack of true leadership. Today we have an administration in place that is filled with lack of morals and no leaderhip whatsoever - we don't need yet another just like it to follow in it's footsteps. Giuliani should leave and live the extravagant life he is so used to, especially after making the millions he did from our September 11th national tragedy.

Brendose, Oceanside CA   July 12th, 2007 11:40 am ET

The truth is: Rudy was not a good mayor for New York before 9/11. He was considered crooked and was not well liked among the citizens of New York, especially among women and minorities. It is starting to show with the members of his campaign being caught with scandals how jaded he is. Remember: birds of a feather flock together.

Dan Bartlett, IL   July 12th, 2007 11:31 am ET

The "Swift-Boating" starts early this year.

Jennifer, Manassas VA   July 12th, 2007 11:26 am ET

Rudy has been using 9/11 for political gain - what good has he actually done, and before 9/11 happened? I don't care what party you are in or whose side you are on. There are too many using 9/11 - we forget too soon the trauma of that day and now glorify it for our own purposes and gain.

Clay, Tucson Az   July 12th, 2007 11:08 am ET

Why did Tower 7 collapse/implode? A plane did not hit tower 7. Was it demolished? By who? How were they able to bring it down so fast after the attacks took place? Tower 7 was a steel building, and could have handled several small fires without collapsing.

T, Hartford, CT   July 12th, 2007 11:06 am ET

It is nice to see that Guiliani is finally getting his due. His history of capitalizing on half-truths and the correct actions of others backed up by his misteps and taking credit for those others should be called to question loudly and often. If "Rudy" were to win the Presidency, we would have another term of the sort of lack of leadership indemic to this administration.
One thing we do know however is that Rudy is good at figuring out where his support comes from. He ferreted out a partisan supporter of his and let him blast the rest of the firefighters for Rudy's gain. Sounds like the same ole Rudy is at it again.

Marie, New York, NY   July 12th, 2007 11:01 am ET

It's about time someone revealed the truth about this scumbag, who profited and continues to profit from the tragedy he was a witness of. He wasn't a hero, he was a lousy manager. He is an immoral person.
The firefighters were and are the heroes.
I am a Republican, by the way.

Alex Gianni, New York City, New York   July 12th, 2007 10:55 am ET

Giuliani as a hero is just a myth. There were many heros that day, but he wasn't one of them. He is just trying to ride off of his post 9/11 high to the White House. Hopefully Americans will be able to research this independently and see the truth.

Nicole New York, New York   July 12th, 2007 10:51 am ET

How could anyone be prepared for 9-11? It is outrages to see the people of the United States and NYC specifically attack one man for the horrific acts on 9-11. There is no one to blame but the people who attacked us. Giuliani has done a lot of good for our city. Everyone in the city that day lost someone or apart of themselves. I blame the men and women who financial support or are associated with terrorism. I watched mayor Giuliani run down Church Street as the 2nd tower began to collapse.While the Governor was nowhere and the President and Vice President were hidden. Mr. Giuliani deserves an apology and a thank you.

John, CA   July 12th, 2007 10:50 am ET

This is a tough one…Whom should I believe? heroic firefighters…or…a professional liar

Kat, Knoxville, TN   July 12th, 2007 10:49 am ET

Good for these guys! It's about time someone reminds the country about the REAL Giuliani. Nobody even liked him before 9/11 and "handling" one event does not make him a better person and certainly does not make him presidential material.

KC Syracuse NY   July 12th, 2007 10:45 am ET

Good! it's time to but this "America's Mayor" myth to rest

NewYorkerKnows   July 12th, 2007 10:38 am ET

Rudy Guiliani has made a career out of 9/11. His use of 9/11 for partisan political purposes combined with his selective memory and occasional untruth is a terrible disrespect to the victims. In NYC he was widely hated prior to 911. 911 saved him and he knows it. I am sure that if there is another attack he will be so happy he will pee his diaper.

Ryan, Keller, TX   July 12th, 2007 10:35 am ET

Well at least Giuliani has made boat loads of money off of this tragedy.

Blackiemiko, Reading, PA   July 12th, 2007 10:35 am ET

I am glad to see that firefighters are pointing these points out in a non-political manner. Thank you.

A.D, Philly PA   July 12th, 2007 10:34 am ET

Support the NYC Firefighters…

richard d'amico, surfside, florida   July 12th, 2007 10:33 am ET

I am very happy to see this fraud exposed for what he is… a 2-bit politician that would sell his mother to the highest bidder… America's mayor my a*s!

Alex Stefaniuk, New York, NY   July 12th, 2007 10:31 am ET

Giuliani "put an emergency center in a building that collapsed on Sept. 11…"

Giuliani leased the entire 23rd floor of WTC #7 to house his Office of Emergency Management, essentially to provide Larry Silverstein, the WTC lease-holder, with a fat taxpayer-funded rental payment.

An absurd location for an "emergency operations center." Bloomberg, by contrast, houses the current emergency control center in a non-high-rise, non-descript builing in Brooklyn.

Denise - Jacksonville, Florida   July 12th, 2007 10:30 am ET

I would like for these same accusers to state the name of ANY Mayor of ANY city who could have ben "more prepared" for an event like 911. There has NEVER been one and so there can be NO dress rehearsal! Mayor Giuliani's history has proven his support of fire fighters. He works and HAS worked without emotion. The emotions of the surviving famiies is more than understandable, but if they were 'removed' I believe their support would be totally behind Mr. Giuliani. It would have been extremely unfortunate for ANY Mayor to have to undergo an even like 911 in his town. However, I believe the people of New York were MORE than lucky to have Rudy Giuliani at their helm.

Brandon, New Orleans Louisiana   July 12th, 2007 10:26 am ET

People always want to blame someone. Blame the Radical Muslim Terrorists. Giuliani was unprepared for 9-11, as was everyone else in this country. Look how unprepared New Orleans was for a hurricane, and everyone knows that New Orleans was eventually going to be hit by one. You cannot predict a terrorist attack. Radios, NYFD?? I have been there before. They have an unbelievable radio system. No one knew the towers were on the verge of collapse until they began falling.

Mark Twain, San Diego, CA   July 12th, 2007 10:12 am ET

Firefighters were stopped from looking for remains because it was found that the environment was too dangerous. Given that no remains had been found for a significant time, concern for live firefighters surpassed the search for remains. There are remains still in the Arizona, did Democrats take out ads against President Roosevelt?

Julie, Chicago, IL   July 12th, 2007 10:12 am ET

Now maybe people will remember how much they hated Giuliani before 9/11…

Providence, RI   July 12th, 2007 10:09 am ET

Rudy is capitalizing 911 to win the election from the beginning of his campaign. He is running his campaign on one theme: 911. He THINKS he owns 911. Rudy stopped searching for remaining bodies after he found the Gold in 2001. It is a shame that he is leading all the polls. According to Shakespeare: "The curse of mankind is: Folly and ignorance." we need to be educated by reading, studying, and researching each candidate's profile. If we do not do that, we will make another mistake like we did in 2000 and 2004.

Jay, NYC NY   July 12th, 2007 10:09 am ET

About Time someone stood up to Giuliani's blatant use of 9/11. As a New Yorker, we know he isn't fit to run the country. He parlayed this attack on us into millions of dollars for himself. Shame on him.

Ian Grazulis, Carrollton, TX   July 12th, 2007 10:05 am ET

CNN's nonstop propaganda campaign for the Democrats has reached a new low. The story regarding the firefighters doesn't mention that this particular union is a partisan political organization and that it's president served as a national co-chair for John Kerry's presidential campaign. They have endorsed every single Democrat who has run for president. This CNN story is s scam.

Anna, St. Paul - MN   July 12th, 2007 10:04 am ET

I do not envy any of the decisions he had to make while he himself was probably still in much shock from the events that happened. My statement is not for, nor against his campaign for the presidency. He is a man who had to put emotions aside to make decisions in an imperfect situation - a very tall order as well. Attacking the outcome will not bring back any body remains or anything else. Move forward with peace instead of further attacks amongst ourselves.

ReadBtwthlins   July 12th, 2007 9:46 am ET

We were all unprepared for 9/11.

So, how do we "prepare" for future terrorism and still live in the open society we are accustom to.., even demand?? Certainly not by blaming others for the inevitable while contemplating a run from the fight against known terrorist.

Susan   July 12th, 2007 9:44 am ET

Giuliani was complicit on 911 and should be deported. I don't care if CNN censors my comment..you can't silence what millions know and are in the process of bringing down these WASPS.

Capital G, Bpt, CT   July 12th, 2007 9:33 am ET

the fact that RG denied ever hearing about the challenge Ron Paul threw down that the foreign policy of the US is what caused 9-11 is sufficient enough to ban RG as a candidate for pres., he has no business running for any office if he cannot acknowledge that 911 was 100% a foreign policy blowback of our blind support of Israel and our never ending meddling and eastblishment of new military bases along the oil and gas pipelines in the middle east.

Dorothy Reynolds, Standish, Maine   July 12th, 2007 9:31 am ET

How very sad. Who in this country aside from the terrorists plotting this horrible attack, could ever have imagined such unspeakable horrors. No one was prepared for such an event.
God Bless you all .. God Bless Rudy .. and God Bless America.

Anonymous, US of A   July 12th, 2007 9:27 am ET

"failed to provide working radios for firefighters, making it impossible for them to learn the towers were on the verge of collapse."

One thing that stands out in my mind is the firefighters would be the ones to make the determination that the buildings were unstable and going to collapse in the first place. Who knew they would collapse before the firemen? Also, it has been shown that the police knew 5 minutes before the collapse to get out of there for that reason. Search for OEM related material about the warnings. Also, why does CNN fail to mention that WTC7 was pulled (the same day I might add, which has been admitted to) and the fact that it didn't collapse.

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