August 7, 2007
Posted: 10:27 PM ET

(CNN) – Maybe it’s the heat. The top Democratic candidates engaged in some of the sharpest exchanges yet of the presidential debate season Tuesday night in an outdoor forum in Chicago.

The AFL-CIO forum, televised on MSNBC, took place outdoors in steamy Soldier Field in front of thousands of union members.

Frontrunner Hillary Clinton, who faced strong criticism in recent days from Barack Obama and John Edwards, said in the first hour of the debate, “I’m just taking it all in. I’ve noticed in the last few days a lot of the other campaigns have been using my name a lot.” But she said the goal is not to get in fights with Democrats. I want the Democrats to win. And I want a united Democratic Party that will stand against the Republicans. And I will say that, for 15 years, I have stood up against the right-wing machine. And I've come out stronger. So if you want a winner who knows how to take them on, I'm your girl.”

But Clinton continued her attack of Obama on his foreign policy, including his comments he would take action against terror suspects inside Pakistan. She said, “Well, I do not believe people running for president should engage in hypotheticals and it may well be that the strategy that we have to pursue on the basis of actionable intelligence — but, remember, we've had some real difficult experiences with actionable intelligence — might lead to a certain action. But I think it is a very big mistake to telegraph that, and to destabilize the Musharraf regime which is fighting for its life against the Islamist extremists who are in bed with Al Qaeda and Taliban .And remember: Pakistan has nuclear weapons. The last thing we want is to have Al Qaeda-like followers in charge of Pakistan and having access to nuclear weapons.” Clinton said, “you can think big, but remember you shouldn't always say everything you think if you're running for president, because it has consequences across the world. And we don't need that right now”.

But Obama, who also drew fire from Senator Christopher Dodd over the Pakistan issue struck back, saying, “I find it amusing that those who helped to authorize and engineer the biggest foreign policy disaster in our generation are now criticizing me for making sure that we are on the right battlefield and not the wrong battlefield in the war against terrorism.”

And drawing on a new line of attack he used against Clinton for not representing change, Obama said, “we're debating the most important foreign policy issues that we face, and the American people have the right to know. It is not just Washington insiders that are part of the debate that has to take place with respect to how we're going to shift our foreign policy.”

– CNN Political Desk Managing Editor Steve Brusk

Filed under: Barack Obama • Chris Dodd • Hillary Clinton • John Edwards • Race to '08


Ender Wiggin   August 7th, 2007 10:43 pm ET

Obama Won.

chris, houston, texas   August 7th, 2007 10:46 pm ET

It is a shame that CNN and other mainstream media outlets don't acknowledge candidates outside of their hand-picked favorites. Tonight's AFL-CIO debate saw Rep. Dennis Kucinich receive more applause for his direct principled comments that cut through the political meanderings than the other candidates and yet this "ticker" makes no mention of him in Chicago. Are they blind to anyone but their picks of Clinton (who got booed) and Obama (who was received well).

Mr. Brusk, rewatch the debate and tell it like it was, not simply like you want it.

GARRETT INDIANAPOLIS, IN   August 7th, 2007 11:04 pm ET

He's right, but a debate on foreign policy has to start with changes on the homefront. We have to be willing to see that strong policy starts here with the economy and our freedoms that have been eroded away. Ron Paul gets this, That's why he's got my vote. It's not left or right anymore, it's wrong versus right that's why I left the dem's because I want real change. Join the Ron Paul revolution and we can leave a better country to our children. Isn't that what it's all about in the end?

Wallace, Philly PA   August 7th, 2007 11:08 pm ET

Obama represents people of America, not just insiders in Washington, DC. Recognize!
Obama 08′

Zizzou, York, PA   August 7th, 2007 11:09 pm ET

This entire piece is about Hillary. Wow…big surprise there, Steve Brusk. 75% of the article is made up of Hillary quotes from the debate…nothing about Edwards, Richardson, Kucinich or Biden. Another love note for Hillary from CNN.

Ugh.

Jim, Iowa   August 7th, 2007 11:41 pm ET

We need a President who's going to unite this country not a president auditioning to take on the right wing machine. At some point the partisan sniping that can't get things done needs to stop. That's why my vote is with Hillary, Just kidding. She's more of the same, we are ready for a new direction. Obama 08

Russell Sumter, SC   August 7th, 2007 11:56 pm ET

I am very concerned with what Sen. Clinton said regarding her party, "I want the Democrats to win. And I want a united Democratic Party that will stand against the Republicans." It was my understnding that Congress, while it is divided, was to work togeter for the good of the American people and not be slighted by their own parties agenda. It sounds as if Sen. Clinton has an agenda and that is to stop listening to those on the other side of the party line and create a unilateral Congress instead of the bilateral one that we seek in America today. Kind of scary.

John, Sierra CA   August 8th, 2007 12:09 am ET

Lobbysts Lover Hillary hit the bottom tonight.
No more Universal Healthcare if you vote for Hillary.
Her only plan is to become President. This country is becoming a banana Republic.

Karen, Columbia, MO   August 8th, 2007 12:12 am ET

Anyone who was watching the debate can clearly say that Obama was the winner in a landslide. What made this all the more impressive were all the attacks he took on from various candidates. Hillary portrays herself as an innocent victim, when she was the one who attacked Obama in the first place with regard to his foreign policy. Only the Clinton News Network (CNN) would let her get away with this hypocrisy.

Evan Esteves, Boca Raton, FL   August 8th, 2007 1:07 am ET

Clinton got dominated on this issue. I'm sorry but if you think that the "WAR ON TERROR" is not important, then you are unfit to be President of this country. What Obama is saying is that we need to be "PROACTIVE" in our War on Terror. We need to "HELP" the President of Pakistan capture these terrorists. It has to be done because we need to do what the Republicans love to "TALK" about, yet "FAIL TO ACT" upon and fight the terrorists over there instead of fighting them over here. Anybody who is opposed to that is opposed to the war on terror and I do not want that person to represent our country in our ongoing fight on terrorism.

Matt, Paris, Illinois   August 8th, 2007 2:35 am ET

It's becoming obvious that CNN has a pretty pro-Hillary stance, at least as it relates to reporting political news. CNN has thus far refused to acknowledge that it was Sen. Clinton, not Sen. Obama, who began the war of words following CNN's YouTube Debate.

And how fair is it, to quote entire statements of Clinton's and only soundbites of Obama's, when it was Obama who spoke the most about the subject of expanding the military action of Afghanistan across the border with Pakistan?

Straighten up, CNN….you're starting to act like Fox News..and that's not where you wanna go.

Ravi K , Portland OR   August 8th, 2007 4:20 am ET

Hilary seemed to be telling Obama and everyone else for that matter how to run for President. Funny how that works considering she is running for the first time (Wait!! Wasnt there a President Clinton a few years ago :-) ?)

But I thought Obama did a great job pointing out this obvious arrogance on her part.
I'd much rather have a neophyte who makes a mistake or two than a cynical know it all who will make the same kinds of mistakes as the current bunch and for the wrong reasons.

lavelle   August 8th, 2007 8:50 am ET

CNN does it again refuses to cover the entire debate. What about Hill receiving more boos again about receiving money from lobbyist! She was BOOED! CNN talk about that

Steve, Indianapolis, IN   August 8th, 2007 9:01 am ET

"Well, I do not believe that people running for president should engage in hypotheticals…" So we're not supposed to know how you would fight the war on terror? There's terrorists in Pakistan - that's not hypothetical. I want to know what you're going to do about it!

"…but remember you shouldn’t always say everything you think if you’re running for president…" That's right Hillary, you should just give slogans and slander your opponent. She is the quintessential slimy politician. Her campaign spokesman continued the show of scum after the debate when being interviewed along with Obama and Edwards' campaign spokesmen - he criticized the Obama and Edwards campaigns for criticizing Clinton. When challenged on Clinton's consistent attacks against Obama, he basically said "Well, we never claimed to have ethics!"

I'm still waiting for someone to show me how this woman is an upgrade over George Bush.

Eugene Minter, Kennett Square, PA   August 8th, 2007 9:15 am ET

John Edwards should quickly apologize for his wife’s ridiculous comments. She suggests that the only reason why Sen. Obama is doing so well in the Democratic Presidential nominating process is because he is “black”. This is absolutely a racist assertion. The Edwards should be ashamed.

Eustace, New York, NY   August 8th, 2007 9:17 am ET

So you are saying that when Hillary said… you shouldn't always say everything you think…you didn't hear boos? How convenient of you to not note the people's reaction to that.

That was the dumbest thing ever, for several years there has been co communication between the government and the people. If you are debating the biggest foreign policy blunder and you can't speak to the Americna people about it you do an injustice and a disservice to the American people. Obama alluded to that.

Obama said that and that is presidential. Clinton keep saying do not engage in hypotheticals yet she did when the moderator asked that hypothetical question about Iraq. As a candidate you are all talking hypothetically and if you do not engage in hypotheticals, how in hell do you explore policy options. Clinton is as hypocritical as she is naive.

Obama won that debate, Hillary clinton, Biden and others just ducked questions and went of on sound bites in order to attack Obama. 20 point lead my ass… based on what 500 people out of more than 100 million. If you are comfortable sitting on that and being arrogant about it…you have a rude awakening come january and february.

Obama, when the democrats gang up on you… it must mean something… Keep doing your thing… you'll be ok despite the media's attempts to stifle your moments and boost those who places their candidates on the cover of Fortune magazine. lol

Providence, RI   August 8th, 2007 9:23 am ET

OBAMA showed one more time HE is naive and inexperience. He said, "President of Canada." There is no President in Canada; there is a Prime Minister! Obama is pretending to be intellectual and intelligent, but he is not. IF he were knowledgeable, he would not have said "President of Canada."

Len, Sparks, NV   August 8th, 2007 9:32 am ET

You forgot to mention that Obama drew great applause for his target Al Qaeda stance and that is crucial. When Obama was in Elko, Nevada, a very hard right town, he had standing room only and drew cheers for his target Al Qaeda stance. When Clinton says she can win against the GOP she is just talking through her hat. The independents hate her. How can she win withouth the independent vote? I think she will lose, like Kerry, for that reason. She has no position, like Obama, that resonates with them. She is strictly a partisan candidate. Perhaps the media will start figuring this out. I don't think they live in the real world. I live in Nevada. I see what independents are like. You can't just woo your base.

IV, Dallas   August 8th, 2007 9:32 am ET

Obama is right. If we have Bin Laden in our crosshairs in the Pakistani mountains just across the Afghan border, we take him out if Musharraf won't.

Obama is strongest on taking out the terrorists who carried out 9/11, hands-down.

Chip Celina OH   August 8th, 2007 9:33 am ET

Hillary shows she's no student of history and not a critical thinker. Two quotes from her in last night's debate show that.
"Well, I do not believe people running for president should engage in hypotheticals" and you can think big, but remember you shouldn’t always say everything you think if you’re running for president, because it has consequences across the world. And we don’t need that right now”

Let's think back to the Iran hostage crisis in 1980. Jimmy Carter made zero progress in the release of the hostages, Reagan vowed to tune Iran up if elected. After the election, and prior to the inauguration, the hostages were released.

She's way to arrogant and speaks too condescendingly to be president.

Carl, Iowa   August 8th, 2007 9:46 am ET

Obama once again proved that he can't be swift boated by his opponents. Hillary, Biden and Dodd tried to hit him low and he swung back hard with a combination of strength, leadership and good policy judgement.

Austin W., Evergreen Park, IL   August 8th, 2007 10:35 am ET

Although I am a lifelong registered Democrat and will absolutely be voting for one of the people on stage at Soldier Field last night for President in 2008, one thing about the debate really bothered me.
In the later part of the forum when they began receiving questions from audience members, some of whom had been waiting in line for quite a long time, it soon became customary for the recipient of a question to entirely brush off the question in order to rebut another candidate's answer to a previous question. Their reply would begin, "Well, that's a very important question, but just really quickly before I answer that, I'd like to get back to…" and then they'd never get back to the person's question. The first of these I noticed was Joe Biden, of whom I'm (usually) a big fan, being asked a question about health care but feeling it was much more important to "hammer home" some "important point" about his stance on Iraq. If I was the person who asked the question about health care, I would have been at the least unimpressed, and more likely, rather offended. Then there was a similar non-response from Clinton. Then there was one from Dodd. And I, the committed voter, was quickly disgusted.

These candidates need it hammered home to them that in polite society, this is considered rude. It is unfortunate that it comes to this, but I really think Keith Olbermann should have had a buzzer to press whenever a candidate decided to change from the topic at hand, at the expense of someone who may have travelled a very long way and stood under the sun for a very long time, just to ask them one question.

Austin W., Evergreen Park, IL   August 8th, 2007 10:59 am ET

Although I am a lifelong registered Democrat and will absolutely be voting for one of the people on stage at Soldier Field last night for President in 2008, one thing about the debate really bothered me.
In the later part of the forum when they began receiving questions from audience members, some of whom had been waiting in line for quite a long time, it soon became customary for the recipient of a question to entirely brush off the question in order to rebut another candidate’s answer to a previous question. Their reply would begin, “Well, that’s a very important question, but just really quickly before I answer that, I’d like to get back to…” and then they’d never get back to the person’s question. The first of these I noticed was Joe Biden, of whom I’m (usually) a big fan, being asked a question about health care but feeling it was much more important to “hammer home” some “important point” about his stance on Iraq. If I was the person who asked the question about health care, I would have been at the least unimpressed, and more likely, rather offended. Then there was a similar non-response from Clinton. Then there was one from Dodd. And I, the committed voter, was quickly disgusted.

These candidates need it hammered home to them that in polite society, this is considered rude. It is unfortunate that it comes to this, but I really think Keith Olbermann should have had a buzzer to press whenever a candidate decided to change from the topic at hand, at the expense of someone who may have travelled a very long way and stood under the sun for a very long time, just to ask them one question.

Robert M. Reidy   August 8th, 2007 11:54 am ET

Each debate reveals more of the truth about the candidates.
1. HC is very much for secret Gov.
2. Obama has the boldness to say what he knows is the only way to fight
terrorism - where they are !
3. Obama and Edwards and Kucinich seem to be the candidates - with a heart for the people.
4. HC is old school!
5. Obama is the most presidential.
6. Obama can stand up against the
calculated political sabatage.
7. Obama plus Edwards could be a strong populist combination.
8. Hillary is shrill after all!
9. Hillary is no Bill Clinton.
10. Obama will be the best at returning the U.S. prestige around
the world and you can't put a price
on that!!!

Rick, Greenville, SC   August 8th, 2007 12:09 pm ET

Obama has presented an alternative mode of debate (his "change" in politics). This does not mean not engaging, it means moving towards transparency and weighing candidates based on real differences rather than spin-doctor politics that emphasizes laying in wait for some semantic slip.
Not using nukes against civilians vs. using them.
Striking targets in Pakistan vs. not striking them.
These are substantive points of debate.

Robert M. Reidy, Tillson, N.Y.   August 8th, 2007 12:15 pm ET

Oh, yea! I almost forgot remember who got booed and why !!!

katwac oakland calif   August 8th, 2007 12:19 pm ET

First, anyone watching heard the BOOs Hillary got!!! CNN I have to agree you are becoming the step-child of Fox News - not telling it like it is and you too MSNBC.
Well, I have to say this was the best exchange I have heard from these canditates and it clearly proved to me what I already knew - Hillary is not for us, the American people - she is for Hillary and will only be a female Bush in the white house.
Obama, no matter what the news media says that Clinton is leading and all that BULL, you won last night with honest talk to us Americans about what you will do about this war, and Clinton and the others who kept on attacking him, well I think he put them all in their place!!!!! KEEP IT UP OBAMA, Hillary, you are a real phony,and maybe you have been in politics longer than Obama but you know what, that does not mean JACK - you know wny? Because you cannot tell us Americans who you really are, what you really stand for, and to keep secrets from the American people who you serve - NO VOTE FOR HILLARY.
And to CNN - you had better get a grip because you are indeed turning into the Clinton News Network and after all these years I have been a faithful and trusting viewer…Bye CNN

Linda, Chandler AZ   August 8th, 2007 12:27 pm ET

Clinton spent so much time attacking Obama she never got around to explaining why she needs to take gobs of money from Lobbyists to be convinced to help the "real people". These "debates" are a sham. Giving the candidates 90 sec. to answer complex questions turns most responses into "elect me" rhetoric. And could I please know why Keith Oberman asks Sen. Obama if he would invite Barry Bonds to the White House, and then turns around asks Clinton how she would of handled Katrina???? Obviously, there is Clinton bias on every MSM network…but guess what? IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK!!!!!

Matt from Iraq   August 8th, 2007 12:30 pm ET

This media outlet is officially the Clinton News Network now. I can't believe how biased CCN has become. Obama took on all the other leading candidates and pretty much dominated, but all this article says is Clinton comments. Bad job CNN, bad job!

av3, Washington DC   August 8th, 2007 12:44 pm ET

She said, “Well, I do not believe people running for president should engage in hypotheticals." Well what should candidates engage in, Hillary?

Aren't these debates about what you would do IF you were elected president?

Doesn't IF necessitate HYPOTHETICALS?

I am absolutely sick of empty political rhetoric that is employed by most modern day candidates. It is cynical, critical, confusing, and censored.

I WANT AN AMERICAN FOR PRESIDENT, NOT A POLITICIAN.

Ernest Caldwell Philadelphia, Pa   August 8th, 2007 4:05 pm ET

I'm just curious, were the reporters of CNN there when Clinton got BOOOEED. I would think that would have made it to the article. What happened?

Lance, Monrovia, CA.   August 8th, 2007 5:00 pm ET

Obama was the only candidate on stage last night that was actually veering away from the pack and saying something smart and crucial. Of course we should go get Bin Laden wherever he is, the rest look weak for not agreeing. Of course we should reform the lobbyist system… its mucking up the system. Hillary Clinton feels like she's still living in the 90's while Obama feels fresh, relevant and by far the strongest on issues both foriegn and domestic that are going to reverse the damage.

Oh, and by the way, I don't want my President to "take on the right." as Hillary said. I am so incredibly weary of left versus right, us versus them, evil versus good. Get a President in there that can make the country whole and start some forward momentum on things like healthcare and global warming. Hillary could NEVER bring Republicans and Democrats together as Americans. If you watch what she's saying closely, she's saying the same "you're either with me or against me" that Bush has, only now it's for the left rather than the right. Obama feels like he knows exactly what needs to be done and he's the absolute best to do it.

What needs to be done is bringing the partys together and not being wishy washy. We need someone that sees the way ahead and can unite us. Obama '08

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