August 14, 2007
Posted: August 14th, 2007 12:09 PM ET

Could Karl Rove become the architect of a kinder, gentler politics?

WASHINGTON (CNN) - David Gergen, a former White adviser to several presidents, ponders What Karl Rove's ultimate legacy will be over at the Anderson Copper 360 Blog.

Filed under: Karl Rove


James, Phoenix AZ   August 16th, 2007 11:05 am ET

"What do we got here! Dum and dummer," ~ Yvan, Indio CA

Yvan – dumb and dumber would spell Iraq I-R-A-K.

If you're going to insult the President at LEAST spell it correctly!

xtina chicago IL   August 15th, 2007 10:26 pm ET

People have called President Bush the dumbest man on the planet, the worst President, etc.

If Karl Rove was able to get the dumbest man on the planet elected, the man is a genius.

AJ; Montpelier, VT   August 15th, 2007 8:44 am ET

James, you are one funny guy! I would really respond to your comments but they are such a parody of Republican stepfordism that they are funny rather than fuel for debate. Get a life, become an adult then come and sit at the grown-ups table.

Rick, Chicago, Illinois   August 15th, 2007 6:49 am ET

Remember being taught in school "Caveat emptor-let the buyer beware...?" I wonder if those that financially supported the current administration's election bids believe they got what they paid for....?

Evan Esteves, Boca Raton, FL   August 15th, 2007 5:33 am ET

James from Phoenix, go apply for Rove's position...you'd do great in this failure of a Presidency considering you suck up all the garbage they feed you on neo-con radio buddy.

Marble Falls Tx   August 15th, 2007 4:39 am ET

I speculate that you haven't heard the last of Mr. Rove. See if he goes to Texas to begin a campaign program for current Tx. Gov. Rick Perry's White House 2012 bid. Perry was one of Rove's first proselyted candidates in Rove's early days. Perry is now showing all the grooming signs.

B.J.Gilbert Katy,TX   August 15th, 2007 2:48 am ET

I'm sorry Mr.Gergen, but as my grand dad used to say" A tiger don't change his stripes".as for james in Phoenix, republicommies sure didn't have a problem with name calling when Pres. Clinton was impeached. if he was impeached because he lied, then rove, bush, gonzo, and chairman cheeny, should be drawn and quarterd. they LIED about wmds in Iraq, if not then where are they? i know many, many vets that have come home and have said that they have not found any. Iraq is roughly the size of California. if wmds were buried or hidden there, do you think that it would take four years to find them, no it would not! but it does take four years to get all of bush\cheeny's oil company owning buddies pleny of time to start building oil refineries there. that is the real reason that we invaded Iraq.those same companies that made hundreds of billions of dollars in profits last year. i bet that they are real grateful to bush/cheeny/rove, so grateful that i bet that each of them gets a large ranch built for them by "friends" whose names will never be known to the public. i hope that all the DEATHS of all my comrades in arms, as i am a vet myself, haunt them for the rest of thier lives, for they haunt me in nightmares every night.

Ian McKechnie, Sherwood, Oregon   August 15th, 2007 12:51 am ET

There were people just like Rove working in and for Hitler's Third Reich, including a beast named Roverer, who built Hitler a concentration camp. Luckily Rove never collected enough absolute power like Goebbels had, although he did help build a concentration camp at Guantanamo!

Yvan,Indio,CA   August 14th, 2007 11:34 pm ET

What do we got here! Dum and dummer, the ideal couple of American Political deceiviness. Sheep in wolf clothes. What of a legacy, two idiots on their journey of changing the world.What do they have accomplished in six years. Let see 1)went to Irak and kill about 1/2 million people based on lies and more lies.Great Legacy,and leadership.LOL

Wolfgang Liedtke   August 14th, 2007 11:06 pm ET

Karl "The architect" Rove leaves now, since he cannot contribute anything meaningful anymore from within the White House. He will put his formidable architectural talent to the drawing up and construction and irreversible implementation of a fictional reality in which President bush has served the country in a patriotic manner during a time of war.
This is the best strategy in preventing the reality-based community from deconstructing the bush-disaster, the worst presidency in US history, a debacle of unprecedented dimensions. If the critics have to argue against a firmly established fictional reality, and their spirit equals that of House Democrats approving of Alberto Gonzales overseeing extended spying powers, they will never manage in pointing out that the emperor is indeed nude.
That is true and only purpose of Rove's exit now. And his emotional voice-tremor on his final farewell in the Rosegarden, together with his president, bespeaks of nothing short of that inside Rove, the fiction that he is set out to create has already firmly established itself as a virtual reality.
George W Bush- Airport, -Library, -Concert Hall, -Medal of Freedom, -Academy for Disaster Relief – you name it !!!
- you just wait .....

thomas gardnerl   August 14th, 2007 10:56 pm ET

Rats leaving a sinking ship

Tomas, Austin, Texas   August 14th, 2007 10:27 pm ET

Hey James from Phoenix – ever wonder about all the hypocrisy by Bush supporters like you? Rush Limbaugh – drug addict. Bill O'Reilly – sex pervert more perverted than Bill Clinton. Bill Bennett – would you want him monitoring your gambling establishment? Wake up!!! Anyone still supporting the Bush administration has their watermelon so far up their backside that vision is severely impaired. 3 out of every 10 should tell you something. Get a clue. This administration is operating the largest crime ring in America out of the White House. This President has soiled the reputation of America more perverse than any in history. What a disgrace to America and all American people around the world. Wake up and get a grip on reality.

d   August 14th, 2007 10:18 pm ET

FAT HEAD!!!!

Blanchard   August 14th, 2007 9:41 pm ET

James, One problem with your, uh, logic. It leaves out the fact that all Intelligence reports state emphatically that both the numbers of hostile enemies and the risk of terrorism to the United States are far greater than they were when the Decider was told by his keepers it was ok to start wars on any pretext at all (remember, Al-Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before the U.S. began its ill-fated occupation; I won't bring up the WMD thing, because that's such an obvious lie at this point that even those in the administration jokes about it).

And the second point, since you're so facile with numbers: You unfortunately stopped counting when you were toting up casualities - how about the millions - MILLIONS - of Iraqis and Afghanis whose lives have ended, or been disrupted by loss of their limbs, of their kin, loss of their livelihood (speaking of numbers do you know what unemployment is like in Iraq today compared to during Saddam's era?), loss of electricity (how would you do on an average of one hour of electricity a day?), water, medicine, and housing (millions of refugees displaced - a number that proporotionally would equal tens of millions in a population the size of the U.S.). Not to mention the trillion dollars spent to achieve all this - what? Increased security risk for the U.S.; and utter chaos and violence and misery by far worse for those actually doomed to live in Iraq (if they haven't already died). What planet are you on, man?

KD, Dallas, TX   August 14th, 2007 9:01 pm ET

Brilliant people don't always have brilliant outcomes. I do think Karl Rove is brilliant. He is capable of manipulating the masses for sure....James included. His means of manipulation if ever really looked at could earn him a place in prison. Bush should have never been elected. The outcome has been terrible for our country. We are heading towards a totalitarian state and not the freedom of our constitution as we knew it growing up. I really don't think it's a Republican Democrat thing regarding feelings towards this administration. If it were Bush's ratings wouldn't be so low.

Karl Rove is a brilliant man, what he has been able to pull off few others could have. Please don't get me wrong. I have much disdain for what this administration has done to our country.

sonny c. v.p.,la.   August 14th, 2007 8:50 pm ET

Matt: Noticed how after 9-11 the Islamic World was sensitive about military action because of the hard feelings that still persist from The Crusades. How soon do you think they will "move on" from being invaded & occupied by an oil hungry empire based on the allegation of WMDs that weren't there & an el qida connection which THEY know never existed? Body count was the wrong measure for judging success in Vietnam & it's the wrong measure for this 4+ year wae.

Andrew, Jakarta, Indonesia   August 14th, 2007 8:42 pm ET

In terms of national security Democrats still cannot work their way past the Clinton policy of trying to achieve results by inadequate means – whether it's a cruise missile or a cigar. History will show that the Bush policy of drawing Al Quaeda onto a battlefield where conventional forces have an advantage is a correct one. As far as Hilary in the White House? With a Clinton there you know someone is getting screwed.

Dr. Robert Coleman   August 14th, 2007 8:27 pm ET

Bubba, seriously...are you kidding?!? There would first need to be evidence of ability before something like that could take place.

Dorothy, Hood River, Or   August 14th, 2007 7:31 pm ET

James in Phoenix says that the Democrats have pet names for the Republicans – he thinks everyone should have outgrown this by 3rd grade. Well James – the President's favorite pet name for Karl Rove is Turdblossom.. guess he is still acting like a 3rd grader, playing GI Joe and all that goes with it.

James, Phoenix AZ   August 14th, 2007 6:45 pm ET

Matt, Miami

Little girls now attend school in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda was removed. OBL (if not dead) is no longer producing videos and (at best) is likely living the remainder of his life on-the-run or in the same type of hole Saddam was found.

Saddam is dead. Iraq has the opportunity to create a representative government which recognizes Sunni's, Shiites, and other views. It is THEIR choice whether to join the civilized world or continue barbaric means of self-destruction.

The good men and women of our armed services have served nobly and honorably. The have been successful in completing the orders given and (unless you believe Nancy Pelosi) have made more friends than enemies in these lands.

250,000 soldiers died in WW2
50,000 soldiers died in Vietnam
4,000 in Iraq

Call this a "debacle" and count yourself as team member of the cut-and-run club... but history will record our efforts as liberators.

Nice to know you, OBL, and the the islamic terrorists all agree.

Chuck Ladouceur Trenton Ontario Canada   August 14th, 2007 6:31 pm ET

James from Phoenix you are what Americans fear HITLER REBORN. That Nazi leader Bush and Chainey General in charge of Consentration camps will find themselves in court in due time and will share cells with Rove and that brain cramp Rumsfeld. Then the USA will try to regain some sight of sanity in this world.
Your Republican party action is why tourism is at a new low and as a Canadian we will never visit your communist run country until real men and women get elected and run the Republicans and FOXNEWS into the ocean.

Lance, Monrovia, CA   August 14th, 2007 5:50 pm ET

I have heard so many comments from the right calling Karl Rove brilliant. I don't get it. He should be behind bars. He's only brilliant if brilliant means repeatedly getting away with stealing elections.

I have so much to say about this crook, but I don't have the time to say it correctly just yet. i've been brooding on his resignation for two days now, trying to find the best way to articulate my outrage at this guy in general. The fact we even know his name, him being a political operative, says all of it.

You should never need a "brilliant architect" to win an election. You should win elections because the majority of people agree with you and like you.

Even talking about Rove gives me the creeps.

I hope the next caging list he writes has his name at the top and its sent to Rikers.

Matt, Miami, FL   August 14th, 2007 5:17 pm ET

James,
I'm sorry my friend, but I'm afraid the joke is on you, or as it were, ON ALL OF US. Your "effective" conservatives have had the power to produce an outcome or achieve a result that has destroyed America's long-term security by CREATING the presence of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, of letting Osama Bin Laden escape from Tora Bora only to go after Saddam and by allowing nearly FOUR THOUSAND young men and women die in Iraq. So exactly what have we accomplished in Iraq?
Why don't you go on and continue to cry that the Vice-President is nick-named Darth Vader and let the grown ups try to fix this CONSERVATIVE DEBACLE!

bkrane Pittsburgh PA   August 14th, 2007 5:12 pm ET

Dear James,

I quoted your useage of the word "effective" – that's why I used the quotes. Suggest that get out of the sun and do the rest of us a favor!

Tricia M Charlottetown PEI   August 14th, 2007 5:07 pm ET

Is it just me or are the two faces of Godzilla posing for a New Horror Flick?
SCARRY!

Connie, Tn.   August 14th, 2007 4:52 pm ET

I guess Rove will now make it his life work to re-write history in favor of this Administration. Then he can finally conclude his destroying of America.

C.LyOns, New York, NY   August 14th, 2007 4:49 pm ET

The damage "we" allowed the neo-conservatives to do to this country hopefully has come to an end. Wolfowitz-resigned, Rummsfeld-fired, Rove-quit, Cheney-on the way out...their "fear-mongering" has lasted 3 decades-first we were supposed to fear the Iranians (then armed Saddam),then the Soviets/Communism (arming/financing Bin Laden)....it all blew up in their face....and we are now left to clean up their mess.....that's why we need a visionary leader that will change the old ways of doing things and be willing to meet with these leaders instead of resorting to these subversive tactics (Nicuragua Contras see George H.W. Bush) and more this world to a more cooperative society.......

Vote Obama 08....!!!

James, Phoenix AZ   August 14th, 2007 4:45 pm ET

" have to agree with your observation – your heroes have been "effective" conservatives. You don't get it do you? THAT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE PROBLEM!!!!"

~ bkrane, Pittsburgh

I see, you're now the grammar police? You might wish to look up the difference between EFFECT and AFFECT.

Effect: The power to produce an outcome or achieve a result.

Affect: to influence. (2) act on emotions.

The conservatives I shared are ones that achieved results. But I really never expected critics such as yourself to understand the implication.

Now hurry along ... recess is almost over.

Matt, Miami, FL   August 14th, 2007 4:30 pm ET

Oh James James James. It's only the Democrats that resort to name calling? Let's see, there are 83,000 references to "Defeatocrats" on Google right now. Smells like name-calling to me. Oh and how do you justify the Swift Boating of John Kerry? Worse than merely name-calling, it was deceitful and dishonesty of the highest degree by those on the morally bankrupt and soulless right.

Toni Jo Kidd, Pittsburgh, PA   August 14th, 2007 4:26 pm ET

So Rove is resigning to spend more time with his family--How many of the soldiers in Iraq would love to be able to do that? Toni Jo, Pittsburgh, PA

bkrane Pittsburgh PA   August 14th, 2007 4:24 pm ET

James,

I have to agree with your observation – your heroes have been "effective" conservatives. You don't get it do you? THAT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE PROBLEM!!!!

M J Meyer, Fort Wayne, Indiana   August 14th, 2007 3:49 pm ET

Anyone who is familiar with the autism spectrum disorder can tell you that Rove is a high functioning person with autism. He is a classic case.

Hard to believe that someone like this achieved such power.

D Adams   August 14th, 2007 3:27 pm ET

If Rove lives to be 80 years old, he'll not witness the end of the harm he and this administration has done to the United States. Our grand children will still be paying their
bills!

AirAmerican, San Clemente CA   August 14th, 2007 3:26 pm ET

Another Republican who has earned his Presidential PARDON....

James, Phoenix, AZ   August 14th, 2007 3:24 pm ET

Ever notice how democrats resort to name-calling of effective conservatives? Just to recount a few:

Fat-Head/Monster (Karl Rove)

Darth-Vader (Dick Cheney)

Idiot/Criminal/Hitler/etc (President Bush)

The Devil (Ken Starr)

One would think most people grow out of the name-calling in the 4th grade. Guess not with Democrats?

bkrane Pittsburgh PA   August 14th, 2007 12:28 pm ET

Gergen says Rove has a "good mind". When someone uses a "good mind" to do bad things they are a monster.

alex chapman ville platte,la.   August 14th, 2007 12:25 pm ET

Hitler said that the Third Reich would lasr one thouand years. He missed it by over 950 years. Karl Rove said he would create a Republican Reign for decades by divide/conquer. I hope the American people provw him wrong.

Kathryn Irby - Metairie, LA   August 14th, 2007 12:24 pm ET

Good riddance to fat-head Karl Rove once and for all!

Bubba, Swainsboro GA   August 14th, 2007 12:17 pm ET

Someone's comment that Rove ran the White House like a campaign was dead-on. When it was time to stop politicking and start working for America, all we got was clever tricks, outed spies, and "you're a traitor." I must confess I didn't expect the Bush presidency to be such a train wreck, but in all fairness I don't think anyone knew they were voting for a Rove-Cheney ticket. Now he's gone; what if Bush shakes it off and becomes a statesman at last?

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