You people are being duped. The Clintons have been buddies with the Bush family for a long time. Karl Rove was a close personal friend of Bush Sr. and was chosen by him to run GWBs campaign. Rove left to privately consult Hillary's campaign.

This whole Democrat/Republican hatefest is just a show. The same puppet masters are pulling the strings for both top-tier candidates. Both sides will win their nominations to the anger of the left/right bases. And America loses.

You will get nothing Hillary has promised, but you will get more war, more taxes, less freedom, and less privacy. In other words, it will be business as usual.

The democrats need to mount an insurrection within their party to prevent this. We republicans are working on our side. If we do not, no matter which party wins, we the people will lose. Stop being partisan and make neighbors with each other. We are all Americans and our country is at risk of being destroyed. It is time to come together people.

I think we need to separate two elements here: One is ideology – one’s positions on the important political issues of the times. In this department Karl Rove is further to the right, and Senator Clinton to the left, but both are fairly moderate compared to say Tom Tancredo and Dennis Kucinich. The other element is politicking – the business of running a candidate for office. In this department Karl Rove is an acknowledged master, along with James Carvelle, the late Lee Atwater and many others. Now, I don’t like Karl Rove’s ideology any more than my fellow Democrats on this blog, but this article is about the political horse race. (I have heartfelt beliefs, but I must admit I really love the game for the game’s sake). So let’s look at the flaws of our candidates:

Senator Clinton has very high negatives in the current polls. A certain amount of that isn’t going to change (30-35% of the same hardcore Republicans who watch FOX and still support President Bush and the war in Iraq). An equal percentage (give or take) love Hillary. And the balance is another third of the country who still have a sense of Clinton that is out of touch with reality, and that can be changed. I don’t care if you call it a vast conspiracy or not, but right-wing talk radio (and our own James of Phoenix, AZ!) have kept up a near-constant barrage of lies about Clinton’s persona. Once the truth comes out (and you can bet it will given the media abilities in the Clinton camp), that Hillary Clinton is a woman of compassion (a lifetime of service to those in need), humor (she really is funny), accomplishment (her Senate record is amazing, so keep tossing me that softball, xtina), faith (her deep religious conviction is acknowledged by even her harshest biographers) and values (she fought to keep her family together and raised a wonderful daughter) the views of moderate independent voters can and will be swayed. Of course there’s still the big flaw – the hormonal one. Senator Clinton is the first person with an XX chromosome who has a serious chance at the oval office, and if you think that’s not going to matter I refer you to the outrageously sexist comments under every Clinton post on this blog. I hope we as a nation can get past this nonsense, but the gambling man in me isn’t so sure.

But things aren’t as bleak as Bush’s brain would have us think. Rove says Senator Clinton is “fatally flawed” as a candidate. I say that may be so, but who isn’t? Senator Clinton won’t be running against the second coming of Ronald Reagan (despite what a few Fred-heads claim). The only Republican candidates with any chance at the nomination are all “fatally flawed” themselves. I’ve got to be careful here because I promised to be respectful in an earlier post, but let’s look at some of the problems with the Republican front-runners:

Mayor Giuliani has to defend a decidedly left-wing record on social issues to a right-wing base. You can bet those photos in drag and those pro-choice videos will get a lot more air time. I’m going to stay away from it here but I doubt if his personal issues will go away. He’s also got the problem of a minimal resume (I don’t think a mayor has ever won the Presidency) and his own propensity for gaffes (29 hours at the WTC in three months doesn’t make him one of the rescue workers). Once the American public gets to know the real Giuliani his numbers will drop like a rock.

Governor Romney has to defend his record as a corporate raider (bankrupting American companies, firing workers and shipping jobs overseas might work for Gordon Gekko, but it looks a little weak on a 30 second tv spot), his flip-flops on pretty much everything (abortion, immigration, stem cells, gay rights). his hiring of illegal immigrants for state and personal yard work, his quirks (Battlefield Earth? Dog on the roof?), and his religion (not fair in my opinion but we’re talking horse race here and it will be a factor).

Senator Thompson has to defend an indefensible lobbying record (asbestos, abortion, tobacco and Aristide is about as lethal a combination as I can imagine). Add his Washington insider status to the fact that he never actually did anything in the Senate and he doesn’t have much to run on beyond name-recognition from Law & Order re-runs.

And poor John McCain, the only Republican contender actually qualified to be President in the middle of a war, is despised by his own party for being courageously correct about immigration. The vehemence is unbelievable for this American hero, a tribute to the xenophobic powers of Buchanan and Tancredo and Limbaugh and Coulter and CNN’s own Lou Dobbs. I’m sorry to say it, but I think McCain is out of this contest. The party of Reagan hates McCain so much they’re even making age an issue!

From the perspective of pure politicking, everybody running has serious problems. But I think the Democrats will take it. Because here’s the final fatal flaw, the one that literally kills, the stake in the heart of every Republican contender: they ALL support the Bush administrations utterly reckless and failed excursion into Iraq. The tragic Iraq war will be the defining issue of the 2008 campaign. Every one of the Republicans is on one side of the issue, and the vast majority of American voters are on the other. Game, Set and Match: Hillary (or Barack, or Bill, or John, or Joe, or Chris, or whichever Democrat gets the nomination).

So Rove is right: Senator Clinton has flaws. But who doesn’t? It’s going to be a battle of the damaged. May the least flawed win.

Since it appears as though the Dem. machine and the media…CNN in particular (apparent by the amount of the biased coverage) have already decided that Hillary will get the nomination, one can only hope that Edwards will choose to run as an independent. He may not be as clever as Hillary delivering sound bites, but his candor and commitment to relevent social issues is a breath of fresh air.

To independent, independent USA –

I know it's probably a waste of time to respond to someone like you, but I can't let your cheap, snide comments go without answering back. I love this country too much to see a moron like you trash people who are merely exercising their 1st amenment right to free speech. It is our duty as citizens of a democracy to speak out and disagree with our government. I guess you never took a civics or American History class. Oh, I forgot, you don't have an education. That's why people like you voted Bush into office twice.

You really shouldn't use big words you don't understand, i.e. "liberal commies". Don't you know that Senator Joseph McCarthy used commie pinko and other phrases in the 1950's when he was looking for imaginary communists in our government? What you are advocating is the antithesis of democracy, it's fascism and dictatorship. In those countries where you are not permitted to open your big mouths, that's because they are not free societies. The last time I checked, America was a free democracy. But then, you are one of those who support Bush and his warrantless surveillance of innocent Americans in direct violation of the Constitution. You are as ignorant of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as our president. You really should read it sometime. It is a brilliant document created by men who loved freedom and wanted to create the first real democracy. But they could never have anticipated that idiots like you would want to throw it all away.

Why don't you do all of us a favor and go crawl back in that cave from whence you came? You haven't a clue about what it means to be a real American.

Classic porky, always failing to addressing the issue while smearing others. He claims Clinton has done little for healthcare. DAH.. She tried to get national healthcare, but I guess to porky that doesn't count. This is classic republicanfearmonging koulteresque rhetoric. Of course she will lose the election…clearly dirty tricks and smears help the cause.

MATT FROM AUSTIN:

I have studied Constitutional law, and I not only learned how to spell Habeas Corpus, but also the meaning of the term, and its role in our system.

Some folks pretend to know what is in the Constitution, but those of us who have studied the document recognize those who are merely bluffing their way through.

PRESIDENT BUSH IS NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT IS AT ODDS WITH HIS SWORN OATH TO PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. If he were, there would be immediate consequences. The Constitution is not a list of suggestions. It is not a cafeteria menu that can be picked and chosen. It is not applied willy-nilly.

The fact that you so blithely charge him of absolutely impossible actions, proves only that you are unschooled in the study of Constitutional law.

QUOTE:
Posted By Dr. Van, Beaverton, OR. : August 16, 2007 3:42 pm

I'm sorry you expect people to believe these people to believe this as true?

You've got to be joking, right?
Posted By Marsha, Portland, OR : August 16, 2007 4:18 pm
UNQUOTE:
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Sorry Marsha, but it is true, as stated. I didn't mention half of it.

If you wish to verify, take the time to go back over the Oregonian Newspaper files there in Portland. The staff will be happy to tell you how to go about this.

Start around the time of their last days in office and continue reading for the next 6 months of headlines. I know that it is there because I read those papers at that same time they came out.

I know that it appears to be a big chore but it is not as formidable as it sounds, and will give you an overview of the crap these two have gone through over the years. They are why I switched to Republican.

I wish you well, and hope you find the truth about this issue.

I agree it's time for an end to divisive, partisan politics- Hillary/Bill Clinton in the WH will result in a re-hash of the past and more petty, unproductive politics. While Federal gridlock has merits, there are many solutions that most Americans can agree upon, regardless of party affiliation.

please that it were true – I would LOVE to be invisible to the federal government. Don't pander to me, don't offer me programs and services – take my minimal taxes and kill terrorists.

"I just can't beleive people are still willing to defend bush and his administration. All he has done is reinitiate Nazi terror control over the american people with anti-civil liberty legislation and fear mongering. The world will be a better place with someone who cannot be bought in the white house. I think Hillary is that person. If not, we're all screwed.

Posted By Nic, Toronto, Canada : August 15, 2007 4:16 pm "

What I cannot stand is some dumb*ss Canuck telling us what's best for our country and refering my President's actions to Nazis.

We sure as heck don't need some weakkneed candidate willing to allow other whimpy countries like Canada telling us how to defend ourselves.

Canadians enjoy the protection and economic benefits of the USA, then complain. Typical, lame Canucks.

Nik from Toronto believes that Hillary cannot be bought!

Of course, Nik from Toronto uses Canadian spelling.
Worse, Nik from Toronto does not understand how the American political process works (he believes that the President of the United States of America is able to legislate), which is probably why his comments are not logical.

John,

If you look closely at that ugly mug, you will notice that her hair line is receeding like Karl's, her teeth structure is freakish to say the least, he chin is protruded and clown like, and her cheeks are puffy, like a squirrel's cheeks full of nut…

Why did she stick with crooked-dick bill, after her public humiliation? What kind of person would do that? Weak and silent!!LOL!!!

Hillary's negative numbers are so high that they locked up her past in the Clinton Library. In her ad she says the troops are invisible to George Bush. That is a stupid mistake campaign wise because she herself voted against funding the troops, voted against wiretaps to protect them and now says they have failed and we must get out of Iraq. She'll have her attorneys challenging all the military absentee votes just like Gore did because the military can't stomach her.

Why would anyone want to vote for a candidate who is a tax dodger. If you or I failed to report $100,000 on our income tax return and our yearly income was less than amount, we might be behind bars. But as the First Lady, the IRS gave her a slap on the wrist and made her pay taxes on that money that she supposedly worked for as an Attorny on Whitewater. Of course, Bill did not know anything about that. Right. Wrong, because we all know that Bill is a convicted liar and she is also.

I don't care for Bush or the current crop of Repubs. running but I do believe they are more honest than the Clintons. Also, she took furniture and painting out of the W.H. that had to be returned. I have big problems with Thieves and liars

I'm so glad Hilary told us she was a "girl", I wouldn't have guessed. Do we really want to have that shrill voice for 4 years?
Bashing Rove doesn't erase the truth about the Clinton's. Yuck.

Ms. Clinton has done nothing for healthcare in the U. S. maybe in a foreign land where she is not running for president. I am still confused as to why she tolerates Mr. Clinton is it because of her only intention to get into the White House, and hide all the state of Arkensas ,and the Rose law firm records for several more years till the Clinton library is built.

Bless you Karl. I love it when you get the left in such a fit! Thanks for the memories!

Hilarious to see people say Karl Rove is underhanded in his statements. Open up your eyes people. He is talking about polling. Hillary has a lot of negative polling out there, and he is only saying she has history against her.

As for the comment by Pat P. A C average candidate trumps a C minus candidate any day. Bush had better grades than Kerry.

I believe that a news source such as cnn should refrain from calling Karl Rove "Bush's brain" use quotation marks and not name a source. Sophmoric attempt at best for a newschannel that has clearly chosen sides.

Say what you will about Karl Rove, but the man knows his politics…as usual, Hillary thinks she can buy her way into the presidency, just stay out of enough hot water, and put on the same style of schmooze that Bill did…exept Hillary is not good enough in front of a camera like Bill was, no matter how much they train her.

Hillary will not be the next US President. Just is not going to happen. Hype it all you want liberals, but it will not happen.

There is no one on the political landscape right now worth voting for. Sad. Just a bunch of yappers with money trying to buy the ultimate power position. Qualified or not, they run anyway hoping for enough of the right sound bites to stick.

Why don't the wealthy politicians who complain about the government not providing free benefits to poor Americans put their money where their mouths are and dole out their own cash to the poor? Hillary is just another example of soap-box hypocrisy.

I'm fascinated that Hillary can change accents, depending on her audience. She doesn't think we, average Americans, notice that. Her condescension will ultimately be her downfall in the presidential race.

Reminds me of an old vaudeville joke (yes, I'm that old). "The lady wants a green suit, turn on the green light."

Karl Rove has spoken the truth. Bill and Hillary are the "Tonton Macoutes" of the USA. These people are flawed and they do not deserve another chance at the presidency. Hillary refuses to release her files until after the elections. That is just a small part of many more controversies that are going to happen if she gets in office.

Give it up, right wingnuts and Obamalots–Hillary is the only Democrat with the smarts, strength, and record to win this contest. I love the way her detractors talk about her "negatives". Know why she has 30-40% negatives? Because 30-40% of the country is gung-ho conservative nutballs who fear her. The rest of us, democrats and independents who think that politics is about reason and intelligence, like her. Obama doesn't have strong negatives from the far-right because they know he is unelectable. Figure it out, dopes.

If Hillascare wins the presidency, does that mean Willie gets to entertain the spouses of the world leaders while the diplomatic meetings are being held?

Hee hhe heee,
Clinton. PHONY BALONEY.
BIG CIGAR, little relevance

It's that voice…that's why "Shrillary" has such negatives. Sounds like she's auditioning for the role of Eva Peron. Politically, her politics are closer to Hugo Chavez than JFK. Maybe she should try some fatigues and a beret.

It cracks me up whenever I see all of you Bush-haters become enraged whenever Karl Rove's name is mentioned. All of you sound just like Hillary-screeching apoplectic shrills who will demonize anybody that disagrees with their vision of a "no place" utopia. They fake compassion for the supposedly disenfranchised vunerable masses by promising to overflow their cups with manna from a more responsive government if only you vote for them. Then it's free bread and circuses for everybody except the rich, the Christians, and those who generally oppose their scheming Elmer Gantry-like plans to obtain more prestige and power. Rove hit it right on the mark when he talked about her negatives. People don't like her because she is a phony and a fraud and they believe that they can manage their lives better without government intrusion in their lives and their wallets. But why listen to me? I'm just a right-wing hate monger that serves proudly in that VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY that Ceasar Hillary rails against all the time.

Mrs.Bill Clinton will win the Democratic nomination but will lose the Presidency all the same. It is so sad to read the comments from the libs on this site. A bunch of generalities and half truths about how bad things are in America because of President Bush. Instead of countering Roves political analysis of Mrs.Bill Clintons chance at winning all we read is how terrible things are all because of one man in the Oval Office so this just assures Hillary will win. You libs are filled with hate and irrationality. Why would any majority of Americans trust you with running the Executive Office? Pathetic losers!

to Jim Silberman of NY:

please hit the CapsLock key- it's on the left side third key up. Thank you.

"Rove has shown an uncanny knowledge about the voters of America. I am certain that his facts are correct in this case as well. Hillary is unelectable for the same reasons as Newt. More people dislike her than like her. The current Dem primary polls do not tell the whole story. Karl Rove will engineer a Republican victory in 2008″

This is the same Karl Rove that organized the 2006 mid-term elections and predicted that the Republicans would retain control of the House and Senate. I would look for another crystal ball if I were you.

Re: Caren…

If you're gonna bag on someone, learn to spell.

"anybody with the last name Clinton scares the be-jesus out of Republicans."

I definitely can't dispute that one! But, it's not exclusive to Republicans.

"Most of you on here voted for him."
That's generally how politicians are elected.

"Now we got to flavors of kool-aid"
I think you mean two. And, we should be possessive (e.g. we've).

"Drink up all you weak minded easyily psyched folks."

Is that how a strong mind spells easily?

Maybe there should be a test for voting just as there is for driving.

Rove has shown an uncanny knowledge about the voters of America. I am certain that his facts are correct in this case as well. Hillary is unelectable for the same reasons as Newt. More people dislike her than like her. The current Dem primary polls do not tell the whole story. Karl Rove will engineer a Republican victory in 2008

Hillary Clinton winning the Democratic ticket would be the best thing that's happened to the GOP in years.

It would almost guarantee a Republican would remain in the White House.

IMHO, Hillary Clinton will never be the President of the United States.

Read it and weep and go Google: Clinton pardons Jewish Businessmen.

Here is a snip

New York Investigation

In New York, federal prosecutor Mary Jo White is conducting a separate criminal probe of the matter, including whether commuted sentences for four Hasidic Jewish businessmen were granted in exchange for votes in support of Sen. Clinton on Election Day, sources have told The Associated Press.

Many Hasidic communities tend to vote in blocs and because of that, politicians aggressively court their leaders.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has said that she sat in on a December meeting with supporters of clemency for the four Hasidic men who were convicted of stealing millions of dollars from the federal government, but said she played no part in her husband's decision to commute their sentences.

"I did not play any role whatsoever," she said when questions arose about the case last month. "I had no opinion about it."

Well Mr. Rowe in the history of exit polling, a candidate that was double digits behind has never come out on top, that is until Bush and company ran for a second term. Who is to say Hillary cannot overcome the negative. She has plenty of time. Again, you are wrong Mr. Rowe. When will you ever shut up and go away? When will you give us comments we want to hear about? When will you and Bush ever tell the truth about the war? Now that you have stepped down, please do us all a favor and stop making your lame predictions. None of them have come to past in the last 6 years, and they are not going to start coming to past now that you are out of the house!

If disinformation is the name of the game, then the Leftist attack will continue. Bush entered the White House as the most bipartisan President in generations – coming from a state in which State Democrats supported him. He invited Teddy Kennedy to write his NCLB education bill, and instituted bipartisan groups which enacted the planks in the Democrat party platform that they never were able to accomplish on their own. Any divisiveness came when Dems unilaterally withdrew from these working groups and started a Bush-bashing strategy to replace their legislative unity.

Hey Pat Did you attend Yale? Harvard? Cornell? Princeton? As a former Yale graduate student, I can tell you that a C average there is not very easy to acheive for any talented bright student who would otherwise earn A's at another university. You sound just like every other petty, jealous, resentful liberal.
I suspect that even Karl Rove couldn't get Mrs. Bill Clinton elected. She has far too much baggage and her shrill voice sounds like fignernails on a chalkboard. Four years of that? I don't think so.

What experience does hillary have???the only experience she has is being married to bubba

Hillary is the best thing to ever happen to the Republican party, and we are very happy she is the front runner. Senators are very easy to deafeat. Look at the history.

No one in modern history has ever been as devisive as she……:)

Posted By Dr. Van, Beaverton, OR. : August 16, 2007 3:42 pm

I'm sorry you expect people to believe these people to believe this as true? You've got to be joking, right?

Well,, I know this, you Democrats got some tuff choices coming up, and you better get off your high-horse and Bush-Bashing long enuf to fiqure out which Presidential Candidate you are gona vote for.

The Republicans have it easy, we know Bush ain't running for office in 2008 and a Romney, Giuliani, or even a Thompson would beat a Hillary, or a Hussien.

Either way, I sure hope the NAACP and the ACLU keep an eye out for those dead Democrats that keep voting out of Chicago.

On another note; Hey New Yorkers, is it true that Hillary secured her NY Senate seat when President Billy Bob Clinton gave pardons to the 4 convicted imprisoned Jewish Greenwich Village Business Partners ?

Tell me it ain't so.
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I love how you sorry leftist claim Bush is a criminal. Outsmarted all of you twice and your only answer is he cheated. Your pathetic, and with two tours to Iraq I can tell you, None of the Dems have the military vote and never will. Go run your white flag up somewhere else. And the moron who said she would be a great Commander and Chief, you need to stop the crack habit. Our military was cut under the Clintons. Paid for by the Chinese. Guy in Canada, Stay on your side of the border with your comments. Don't see us sticking our noses in your socialist business.

Hilary won't win because she will not talk to anyone. Although she talks AT plenty of people. When the time comes to begin fielding questions from the public, which any candidate ultimately has to do, she'll crash and burn.
Plus, she's icky.

Hillary has experience?? What experience??

As a lifelong Democrat, I agree that Hillary can't win.

She and Bill spent 8 years lying to the American voters. She tried to ram Socialised Medicine down our throats using the same same closed door, secret meetings that Cheney is accused of.

Her Rose Law firm documents show up mysteriously, well after they were due.

Bill's guy Sandy Berger stuffs his underwear with damaging documents to the Clinton administration.

The list of immoral and likely illegal things done under the first Clinton administration is way too long to go into here. I wish we had a strong viable candidate.

There is no way I can vote for Hillary in the primary, because she can not win a general electon.

Never forget that the Clinton's and their cronies trashed the white house on their way out of office. Tons of damage to the place, and it's fixtures.

Bush was too much of a gentleman to mention it, even though his staff begged him to prosecute them.

They also stole the White House furniture. Are your memories that short? Some of it still has not been recovered. A complete lack of moral standards.

Like when they and their staff decorated the Christmas trees in the White House with condoms, and rubber dildos. Plus, how the white house computers were often used to download child pornography, using govt. issued credit cards. That from the Secret Service's reports.

Did anyone read the Hillery Health Care program that she tried to get passed? I did. You should be able to google it up on the web. It was literally taken word for word from Russia's medical program.

If you did not want the socialist system doctor assigned you, and paid cash for your own doctor, you and your doctor would be imprisoned.

No thanks. I personally do not want people of that low character in the White House again.

I just couldn't bring myself to vote for the woman…every time I listen to her, I am reminded of my ex-wife's mother.

I'm with Richard the expatriot in Alberta Canada. It's sad to see that the puppets on the left and right do as they are told and hate the other side so much. They let us fight amongst ourselves as they all get rich and rob us. When will you dummy's wise up and join a movement to take our country back from these crooked lying politicians. Vote everyone out and start over with citizens who work together for the best for the people of this country. Now go back to your non stop my party is better than your party banter.

S. A. Tired from Waco

>>And what does Rove have to say about the horrible ratings the President he help get elected has right now???

He says they are going up (they are), and that he will be at 40% or better near the end (we'll see).

Here's a way you can tell if Bush's ratings have bottomed and are remaining steady — "Journalists" at the NYT drop their references to it from 5 or 6 per "article" to 1 or 2. And if it is going back up, 1 or 2 per article to zero.

>>Bush's approval rating is the worst any President has ever had.

That's news to Jimmy Carter.

If I were Mrs. Clinton or B. Hussein Obama, I would worry about the Democrat congress's approval rating, which most polls put in the teens. As much contempt that some might have for the President, an overwhelming (80%+) majority of Americans have much more contempt for Reid, Peloi, and Co. And that is a serious problem for any candidate that is part of that group.

Pat P. First and foremost, Rove is a republican not just a hired gun. Secondly, The guy who invented the Hershey Bar failed and went bankrupt 5 times before inventing Hershey's Chocolate. The President graduated from both Yale and Harvard regardless of his GPA and was reelected to the TX Governorship in a landslide victory. Rove is probably right she has high negatives already before the primaries and of course once she is the nominee she will have to deal with all of her past mistakes which will come out all over again and lastly and what some people seem to forget, when she was the first lady she was seen as difficult and polarizing, she is seen by New Yorkers as a carpetbagger and has no governing experience. Remember the last Senator to get elected to the Presidency was Kennedy and believe me she is no Jack Kennedy

Who is the fatally flawed one here? Senator Clinton has lasted through First Lady of Arkansas, First Lady of the White House, and now Senator for many years.

Let's see, Carl. You have contributed to the downfall of America through an errant war, corruption and an empty treasury, the loss of respect for America worldwide, and now you can't make it to the end of the term? You and George are the farces of America.

Ok, Matt, I'll bite:

>>Those are some of the most ignorant statements ever to come out of Austin, Texas (excluding what happens at the capitol building every day).

You must not read the Letters to the Editor section in the Statesman. Or have listened to any Lloyd Doggett speech.

>> right-wing propaganda

When supported by fact, it's called truth. You might want to look into it.

Cheney? That's a fascinating anecdote you have there (he skipped out on a meeting with you….my admiration for him grows), but exactly how does that negate my points on the subject? It's well known that he lead Halliburton, and that (as I stated) he divested and left his position when he agreed to be the President’s running mate. And your problem with any of this is?

>>four years or more

Luckily for the country, it was “or more”.

>> Habeus Corpus

Here’s a clue – there’s a reason they’re being held in GITMO. As to the constitutionality of it, there is certainly precedent, and certainly continuing debate. But to cavalierly proclaim the President’s actions anti-constitutional is premature and, well, ignorant. Much like Al Gore’s desperate proclamation that global warming is “settled science”.

>>how they committed treason by exposing a CIA agent's identity

Of whom are you speaking? Joe Wilson? This DC hanger-on couldn’t find enough people to “expose” his wife to, starting with writing a lie-filled editorial in the NYT that he KNEW would bring white hot scrutiny on his life and wife. If Val was even remotely concerned about her identity, don’t you think at some time during pillow talk she would have mentioned that this might be a bad idea? Or is it Richard Armitage? Fitzy knew he was the one on day one of the witchhun…err…investigation. And Fitzy never charged him with this heinous crime. Why do you think that was, Matt? Maybe it wasn’t a crime after all? He also, after years and million$, didn’t charge Cheney or Rove. Apparently, to a liberal, a complete lack of evidence of any wrongdoing is clear proof that they did something wrong.

>> administration's disregard for the Constitution, due process, checks-and-balances, etc.

Again, do you have anything beyond the standard unsubstantiated talking points?

>> clearly only hear what you want to hear

I’ve listened to you.

>> anything that comes from Faux News

Interesting, since this is CNN’s website.

Btw, it’s HabeAS Corpus and FORE Fathers (there were more than four, you know). Sorry for the correction, just didn’t want you to appear ignorant.

AS THE COMMENTS ON THIS ARTICLE DEMONSTRATE, EVEN IF HILLARY IS ELECTED PRESIDENT, SHE WILL BE EXTREMELY DIVISIVE AND WILL IN NO WAY CONTRIBUTE TO A RECONCILIATION OF LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES. A MORE MODERATE CENTRIST PRESIDENT, FROM EITHER PARTY, WOULD BE BEST FOR OUR COUNTRY.

Pat P. of Huntington Station, NY….George W. was a successful business owner, scored 1206 on SATs (top 10%), had a 3.6 GPA at Harvard Business School, flew fighter jets in the Texas ANG, and was elected by landslides twice to Texas governor. You may want to check your facts before you underestinate what Rove had to work with here.

Here you can now clearly see what her (and all the Democrats) "position" is – which is "We're not Bush"

Here's a news flash for Dems – psssst – Bush isn't running in '08!

What is YOUR plan for America Dems – (I've been waiting for an answer to that since 2000.

I know the Republicans have problems and here lately they are sounding like the abusive husband who says he will quit and , Hey, it's better than being alone, but Man, the Democrats are a Party of Minorities which is the spitting mirror-image of Socialism , you know Socialism, where the Groups form to make a whole and eventually the strongest group consumes the rest and Bada-Bing Boda-Boom you have Communism.

Take note Democrats; This is where Hillary will take you.

And stop it, Barack Hussien Obama is black and muslim, just ask him to step on a Koran and watch his reaction.
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BTW the polls show that if Hillary wins the nomination that most of the rep. candidates can beat her. So that really tells me we will get more of the same if we vote for her.

"Cheney was an executive for Hallibuton and concurrently in the U.S. Congress for decades"

No, he wasnt. He was in Congress in the 1980s, and came to Halliburton in the 1990s.

Get over your uninformed irrational and immoral hatred of a good man, Vp Cheney. It's a GOOD thing to have a VP or P who has private sector experience. Someone like Hillary whose spent her whole life as a political animal in politics – zero private sector experience except as a lawyer – she has no clue what real workers, business folks, and taxpayers are dealing with.

As for Habeous Corpus: Terrorists are being held in accordance with law, treaty and humane obligations, and the worlds worst terrorists have even been given pro bono representation to give them more rights than any other enemy combatants have been given in war (heck, even in WWII, if we caught a german out of uniform, you know what we did? shoot him! Yet now, 3 squares a day arent enough, due process is not enough, these terrorists who want us dead get *lawyers*). If you really think we should be releasing Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the architect of 9/11, you are nuts. Gitmo terrorists in the past who were released have in many cases ended up attacking us again in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are in a war with Al Qaeda terrorists and we wont win if we treat them like US citizen shoplifters in a county courthouse. That's why we should applaud Bush for trying to come up with appropriate Rules of Engagement with Congress on it and getting it passed last year.
You might disagree with specifics of the polities of treatment of terrorist prisoners, but to say Bush wants to trash the Constitution is just left-wing political garbage, as is the smear about "CIA agents identity" as treason (funny it was Richard Armitage, yet the liars on the left never apoligized to Rove for their smear of him).

LOL

Nic, that is the funniest thing I have heard in such a long time. I can't believe there is actually someone who thinks Hillary can't be bought. Thanks for making my day!!!

Posted By Nic, Toronto, Canada : August 15, 2007 4:16 pm
I just can't beleive people are still willing to defend bush and his administration. All he has done is reinitiate Nazi terror control over the american people with anti-civil liberty legislation and fear mongering. The world will be a better place with someone who cannot be bought in the white house. I think Hillary is that person. If not, we're all screwed.

Matt ~ Austin, Tx

You were calling out "Rockycreek" on ignorant statements. You'll want to get educated too before throwing stones.

You wrote, "Ever heard of Habeus Corpus? It's in the Constitution, and dubya specifically disregards it by holding prisoners indefinitely without charging them with any specific crime and with no sentencing. This is a blatant disregard for the United States Constitution."

You're making the ACLU quite proud – extending the rights of citizenship to non-citizens. The enemy-combatants being held in Gautanamo Bay Cuba are not US Citizens, and were not part of an organized sovereign military. They were terrorists/insurgents taken on the battle field and there are serious questions if the Geneva Convention applies – although we treat these prisoners with better care than most US citizens get (3 square meals, 8+ hours sleep, a promise not to offend their religion, a promise not to use any discomforting efforts to gather useful intelligence, etc).

And the other thing… it's FORE fathers – not FOUR fathers.

And I agree – with the level of intelligence exhibited by many posting here – I'm GLAD we're a republic nation!

You bleeding heart liberal democrat commies make me sick. Life, justice, and freedom are not fun, easy, or given to anyone. Americans have always fought for our way of life. Without this fight, you morons wouldnt have this nice country, a freedom of speech, or a platform to bash any president regardless of party. Move away, see how bad other countries are, then shut your damn commie mouth when you run back with your tail between your legs!

Rove is out of reality, just as he was about the 2006 midterms.

He was wrong – and he's not the voodoo man of politics.

It must be hard to be the brain for 2 people (Bush's brain).

But at least now we know the truth -
BUSH REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A BRAIN!!!

and, doesn't it all make more sense this way?

There is no doubt that Hillary will have a hard time getting elected, it is much too early to say anything yet. Look at the election of 1980. Despite Carter's extrodinary unpopularity, he led Reagan in most polls during the first half of the year. At that time Reagan was as polarizing as Hillary is now. Democrats hated Reagan because the party had been demonizing him as an extremist for years, and although conservative Republicans loved him, many moderate Republicans disliked him because he challenged Ford in the 1976 primary. Some Republicans (including Ford himself) felt that that was the only reason why Carter won in '76.
In fact, durning the 1980 primaries, George H. W. Bush's campaign accused Reagan of being unelectable. Of course Reagan was able to turn his 20 point deficet into a victory by 10 points. Now this election is not 1980 by any means-the biggest difference being that Bush can't run for reelection-but we cannot say anything for certain about '08

Senator Clinton, among others, appears to be pro-union. I have been a member of a union my entire working life, and although unions are beneficial in allowing employees to have a voice, I believe unions, and their demands, have been a partial cause of the outsourcing. Think of all the jobs the Chinese hold, for instance. Then, think about the current Mattel, Inc. recall. Would the same recall have occurred if the products had been American made? Some of the salaries the unions have demanded for their members have negated the profit margin, such that in order to keep stockholders investing, they have had to seek a lesser cost product. Answer? Outsourcing to foreign countries. Very bad idea. Too bad the bottom line has to be the dollar.

As a Republican, I hope Clinton gets the nomination. She will be so much easier to beat than Obama. Republicans can campaign that Obama is inexperienced…that's about it. There is SO much Republicans can say about her. Piece of cake.

Obviously the key in this article is that the opinion is coming from "Bush's Brain". Which considering the downward spiral this country is headed, says a lot about Rove's advice or lack there of. His opinion is as valid as this current administrations ability to succeed.

Some Liberal Clinton-bootlicker came up with all the 'good' stuff Clinton supposedly has done … spends money here, spends money there, spends money everywhere. I THE TAXPAYER PAID FOR ALL OF IT. stuff like "Grants for small NY businesses damaged by the terrorist attacks.
Broadband Internet access to rural communities.
The Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act." etc. ALL TAKING MONEY FROM THE TAXPAYER. GIVE CREDIT WHERE ITS DUE, WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY PAY FOR IT! We are idiots if we give politicians 'credit' for stealing our money and wasting it on socialistic welfare giveaways.

Like this nonsense:
Improving the quality and lowering the cost of prescription drugs." No, sir, the eeeevil *drug companies* are the ones coming up with better drugs. Hillary did squat about that, and her bills have raised the cost of drugs – not a single govt-paid prescription drug programs 'lowers the cost' they just SHIFT THE COST to taxpayers!

"Middle-class tax cuts, marriage penalty relief and property tax relief." gimme a break. She voted against practically all the Bush tax cuts, especially the key 2003 tax cuts, and is in favor of a huge $1 trillion tax increase – make the Bush tax cuts expire. By opposing making the Bush tax cuts permanent, she supports the largest effective tax INCREASE in our history.

Our next recession will hit by 2009 thanks to the Democrats stupid anti-taxpayer economic policies.

Hillary = Socialism

I'm a woman and would love to see a woman pres. but NOT THIS ONE. I'm afraid it will just be to close to the same thing we have now and God knows we can't take much more. I'm going to vote for change, real change, total change. JRE can be trusted to do right for this country he just makes Corp. America scared. Well, thats better then most of America being scared. They other candidates are a little too bought and paid for by somebody somewhere for me to trust them and TRUST IS WHAT WE MUST HAVE BACK IN THE WHITEHOUSE.

Reading some of the comments here is maddening and proof the 2 party system we currently have is designed to fool a bunch of dolts into voting for either party. If you vote for a democrat or a republican you are really voting for more of the status quo. Dont fool yourself into thinking you are making a difference. If you vote for Hillary because she is a women-you are a dolt. If you vote for Obama simply becuase he's Black-you are a dolt. If you are going to vote republican simply because you cant stomach the democrats-you are a dolt.

Rove is right regardless of what you think of him personally. Stop towing the party line and open your eyes-you will never get real change until we stop doing the knee jerk us vs them, left vs right, dem vs republican style of voting.

The demoncrats will be in mourning once again, when they fail to secure the White House. There's no way the American people will be fooled into voting for such a Socialist no matter how low the Clinton's stoop in their campaign espionage. If you like having your hard earned tax dollars going to weasels who don't want to contribute to society and live off your blood, sweat and tears, then by all means vote for Hillary. Just be ready for the U.S. to turn into a powerless third world nation.

Hey Rockycreek,

Those are some of the most ignorant statements ever to come out of Austin, Texas (excluding what happens at the capitol building every day). All I had to do was read your first few points to know that all you do is listen to right-wing propaganda.

Cheney was an executive for Hallibuton and concurrently in the U.S. Congress for decades, and he only left Halliburton days before it became known publicly that he'd be running for VP. I did consulting work for Halliburton in the 90s, and Cheney skipped out on a meeting with me (and other more important people) just minutes before it was to occur; this is when they let us know that he'd be gone for about four years or more.

Ever heard of Habeus Corpus? It's in the Constitution, and dubya specifically disregards it by holding prisoners indefinitely without charging them with any specific crime and with no sentencing. This is a blatant disregard for the United States Constitution. I could go on to talk about how he tried to pass what would have been the only Constitutional amendment EVER to restrict freedoms rather than to ensure or protect them, how they committed treason by exposing a CIA agent's identity, and any number of other examples of this administration's disregard for the Constitution, due process, checks-and-balances, etc. However, there's no use wasting time on all that since you clearly only hear what you want to hear, which is most likely anything that comes from Faux News.

Your main supporter, Philip from Louisiana, is equally as ignorant. Obama is a Christian, and yes I would absolutely vote him into the White House.

It's no wonder our Four Fathers didn't trust the American people to actively participate in politics the way a real democracy calls for.

It looks as though Hillary's camp can't keep themselves from looking for a fight. To bring Barack into this whole thing was classless…another reason that I won't be voting for her. We need a breath of fresh air, not this stale, divisive, Washingtonian mind set!

Barack! '08!!

This country needs true, qualified leadership. Having the population choose who is "electable" NOT "qualified" is why we're suck with Bush and the mess he's created. We deserve the best qualified person, who doesn't cater to special interests and CARES about our country, its future. My choice: go Bloomberg!

All this political HATE SPEACH. I think it is sad that people have to resort to call names like little children in a play ground. Grow up and join the the real world. Give good debate not America hate.

Hillary may have high negatives but she has an advantage no other candidate has ever had, a popular ex-president as a spouse. Bill campaigning is force to be reckoned with, it wouldn't surprise me if he drew bigger crowds than Hillary.

Bill and Hillary will sweep up the Left and Middle, so it doesn't matter what the Right thinks at all.

Clinton's fatal flaw is clearly visible in these posts. Is this what we want 4 more years of??

This country needs Hillary and I’m voting for her when she runs for office.

Hopefully her campaign slogan will be, “Mi Casa, su Casa”, because I’m ready for a shot at the gravy train she indicates is heading my way.

How else will we get her out of NY State? She’s done nothing, zippo, nada, in two terms and needs a real job!

J.Brown.

I love some of the leftist remarks on this site. Karl Rove, the evil Republican! Ha! He may be too far to the right, no arguments here. But branding the Republicans as the great Satan without acknowledging James Carville's contributions to the modern American political process from the Democratic side is decidedly without thought. As is most criticism of the Right by the Left, and vice versa. Start thinking, please.

And what does Rove have to say about the horrible ratings the President he help get elected has right now??? Bush's approval rating is the worst any President has ever had.

But, I have to say Rove does have a deep understanding of the term "Fatally Flawed." Since he is part of the most "Fatally Flawed" presidency this country has ever seen.

Women can barely run the kitchen, now we expect them to run the whitehouse.

I love reading these talk strings. They're like a bunch of fish trying to talk to a bunch of oil tankers.
The truth is the polar opposite of Phil Singer's talking points. Hillary seems personality disordered (power mad) and misandristic to me, the mere thought of her as Prez scares me to death!

I am an average american and have listened to her. Please point out what she has done to support the comment made by Phil Singer "she has the strength and experience to deliver change"? She voted for the war and did absolutly nothing to improve health care availablity to the poor an d middle class. She sounds more like a nagging screathing girl friend than a presidential candidate.

Hillary's a wannabe fulfilling what she decided her destiny was years ago. She has a corrupt skirt-chasing husband who she holds on to for political gain, and she's NOT accomplished anything noteworthy in her Senate career that qualifies her to be President. The only thing that "qualifies" her is whatever Bill clued her into when he wasn't busy doing the 50+ women his secret service detail claims were in and out of his revolving White House door. They have no respect for each other or for the country – neither deserves the Oval Office. Don't shoot the messenger (Karl Rove) if the message is accurate and in this case it is – Mrs. Clinton is fatally flawed!

Only Dick Cheney could give this man a run for being the most corrupt members of the Bush government. Give either of them a dime, and they will say anything, and do anything, to further the agenda of those for whom they work. I find it utterly unfathomable that anyone would give anything this man says any merit whatsoever. He is a bought and sold individual; futhermore and the actions of he and his cronies have stripped every American of many of their constitutional rights, and sold the country to the Chinese, who now own much of its uncontrollable debt.

Americans need to stop giving into the climate of fear. The world does not hate Americans no matter what you hear on TV from the extremists and the news soundbites. This govt is unpopular because they have thrown out the rule of law. Whoever is the next President needs to have an administration that sets an example of law abiding and co-operation, and upholds the great American constitution, not shreds it – the world will respect this.

Whomever Americans choose, seek strength of character, honesty, leadership and integrity. Seek someone who wants get your finances under control, and lead the world by example, not fear.

Can Clinton be that person? I think it needs a team, including Obama, Wesley Clark, and I wish somehow Colin Powell (there is a person who got the royal shaft from this administration). I really don't see any of the Republican contenders having the right stuff. Time will tell whether Hilary has it.

Like or dislike Rove … it doesn't matter much. The guy knows how to run a campaign. By your very admission that Bush is a buffoon, Rove somehow orchestrated consecutive victories for the President. Taking down Kerry and Gore along the way.

Hillary has nothing to run on other than being Bill's wife. Tell me what she has done as a Senator? What piece of legislation did she write? What has the Democratic controlled Congress enacted over the past 8 months? The answer is NOTHING. She can talk a big game but her record is null.

Rove is right. Hillary has too many negatives about her. There are enough people like me that would NEVER vote for Hillary under any circumstance. My detest for Hillary exceeds that of liberals and Bush. Hillary is far too polarizing of a figure and her numbers simply change much. There is little that Hillary can do to lower her negatives.

"You got that right Texas…

Here's my question to Democrats.

Would you vote in a Black Muslim for President ?

Posted By J. Philip, Mt. Olive, Louisiana : August 16, 2007 12:24 pm"

Sigh… he's not a Muslim, and he's not entirely Black either. Why we keep having to correct you uninformed people is beyond me.

In case some haven't yet noticed, we don't really elect presidents anymore. The fix is in: Hillary WILL be president. The tip-off was Murdoch's fund-raiser for her.

would someone please tell Rove to shut up and sit down?

some people have the balls to stand up and run for office; some don't. those that don't become whinning critics.

PLEASE! think for yourselves, people. ask questions and listen carefully at the answers.

don't believe anything Rove or any of those right wing war mongers have to say.

watch zeitgeist and then tell me what you think.

remember: ignorance is not bliss; ignorance is the factor the few who run the world COUNT on to perpetrate their own financial gain.

Hillary's the best thing that could happen…..for the republicans.

Joel from San Fran is incorrect. The two sleaziest presidents in history are the past two whose names start with the letter "C" That's sleaze with a capitol "S"

Read Audacity of Hope, read Clinton’s book. Listen to the two of them speak. You’ll start to notice key differences.
Hillary is trying very hard not to upset the existing system. She believes in taking money from lobbyists and she agrees with several tenets of the “war on terror.”
Obama shuns lobbyists because as a newcomer to the Senate he’s seen what tremendous money being thrown at politicians is doing to control the issues discussed. He has repeatedly, for years, since before any other candidate DARED to talk about it, said that the “war on terror” is a fear mongering tool to control the masses. He has said, quite correctly, that 9/11 was a heinous CRIMINAL ACT, not an Act of War, as Hilary has said.
That right there is the fundamental difference between the two. Obama realizes that you cannot go to war in the conventional sense with terrorists, who have no loyalties to borders and no infastructure.
On the flip side, Clinton is still exibiting a 90’s sense of cold war mentality, the same US versus THEM mentality that Bush has crowed from every building top for six years.
It is the difference between YESTERDAY and TOMORROW. A huge difference in cultural thinking and a world mentality versus an isolationist mentality.
You cannot simply treat terrorists like we’re at war, because the danger of being perpetually at war is the elimination of our rights, for good… not to mention the stress caused heart attacks of thinking that THE ENEMY is going to jump up from any rock.
Clinton would be either intentionally or niavely drawn into the use terror to control the population and her agenda, Obama would use common sense to change the stereotypes and get people thinking rationally and constitutionally again, that’s the main difference in my mind.

btw, Karl Rove is a dweeb that deserves to be in jail, not talking to other people who deserve to be in jail on the radio.

If he thinks resigning will get him and his administration off the hook for all the dirty illegal tricks he's played to keep Bush in office, he's definetely wrong.

They're coming for you Karl.

I can't believe the sexism that keeps showing up in people's reponses on this list. Haven't we evolved beyond this way of thinking? Obviously not.

There have already been female heads of state in countries all over the world. The United States is way behind other countries, not only in health care, but also in female representation in government. I guess that is no surprise when statements like this go unchecked on this list:

"Global warming is bad enough, we don't need a president who also gets hot flashes.

Posted By Lefty Loosey : August 16, 2007 10:43 am"

If you don't like Hillary, don't continue to attack her because she is a woman. Sexist comments like these will only energize female voters all over the country to rally behind her.

Since I happen to like Hillary, please keep it up! Sexist knuckle-draggers like you, Lefty Loosey, and you, James Day Sr., will only help the cause of finally having an intelligent, capable, and strong woman as President.

Lets Be honest. No matter how bad her ratings are and no matter how much the liberal media tries to build Ms. Clinton up, this country is not ready for a "Woman" president. I could run against her and win.

You got the story wrong and lied in your article just as Rush said you would – even though the transcript is right there on his website – and I listened to the interview.

You got that right Texas…

Here's my question to Democrats.

Would you vote in a Black Muslim for President ?

Hillary Rotten-Clinton is a flip flopper also.

Voted for the war and then voted against funding our troops, in a political move to make the hate groups of the far-left happy.
One thing Hillary and the Democrats have going for them and that is America's corrupt liberal wolfpack press………….who will have to work very hard at generating anti-GOP propaganda leading up to the November 2008 elections. But our liberal wolfpack doesn't mind at all.

Thank goodness this site allows more rational, realistic minds to comment – such as Greg and James from Phoenix!!! I support folks like you because you show the real BACKBONE and fortitude that people like Clinton, Pelosi, and whiner Reid WISH they had! Huntington Station, NY, SFO, Wentzville, MO, and West Chester, PA; say, what's up with her files being locked up in hubby's library until after the '08 election??? Can't help but question where honesty, integrity, and accountability would explain that, hhmm? When I look into the eyes of the Clinton's, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, and all their following…I see nothing but EVIL! I pity those who believe all their pandering. Apparently you've been demoralized or feminized into believing Hillary really gives a crap about anything other than domination and power. Oh, not to mention; Socialist government, the 'sleight of hand'. GET THE POINT. There will NEVER be a perfect President, not even your beloved Hillary 'wanna be'!

It's nice to know that Karl Rove resigned his post in the Bush administration just in time to start bashing Hillary Clinton. So much for putting him out to pasture. I don't think this is a surprise to anyone who has a brain. This is now his new full time job – destroy Hillary Clinton. After all, this is what he does best – attack, smear, destroy. He did it really well in the last election to defeat John Kerry.

What he doesn't realize is that his time may just be up. No one paid attention to his usual attack ads in the midterm elections. It totally backfired and the Democrats took control of Congress. I would hope that the American people have had their fill of Rove's brand of poisonous, slimy campaigning. This may also backfire big time against the Republicans. It could unite the Democrats and succeed in making Hillary much more popular. We hear a lot about how divisive and polarizing she is, but the real expert in that area is Rove. It's his stock in trade. The Bush administration has managed to use wedge issues like gay marriage to divide Americans, and Rove has been the architect of that strategy.

I hope that Americans will reject this blatant and coarse attempt to smear the first woman to run as a presidential candidate. Rove is just a lackey, an attack dog, a hatchet man, pure and simple. He is a disgrace to everything that is good and decent in this country.

He also forgot "thin-skinned", just like her supporters. To Samina from Centennial…some here believe you "said it all". That may be true, you pretty much touched on every DNC/Moveon.org factoid. So, please allow me to respond.

>>Its so outrageous that some of these right wing wacos are blaming Hillary on her campaign speeches.

Actually, the left wing wacos (sic) aren't too happy with her either. Hence, Rove's astute point.

1)Erasing Clinton's surplus

Never was a surplus. The year Clinton/Gore claimed a balanced budget actually had a $180 billion deficit. And, of course, surely you remember the Clinton-Gore recession, the Clinton/Gore high-tech and dot.com busts? The Bush Administration had to overcome all of these, and has done so spectacularly.

2)Attacking a sovereign country unilaterally who never attcked us

Hmmmm, sounds like the Clinton/Albright/Clark plan for Kosovo/Bosnia to me.

3)Falsely telling american people that Saddam has a link to 9/11

Not only did he NEVER say this, he never even implied it. What he did say was the truth, that Saddam was one of the world's leading sponsors of international terrorism. But I don't give Bush credit for this, he was only repeating the case made by Clinton, Gore, and the Democrats in congress for years.

4)Spending 1 trillion taxpayers money

Since when did spending trillions of taxpayers' money bother liberals?

>>on endless war

It will end, the only question is do you want to win or lose (and I'm pretty sure we know your answer)?

which benefitted comapnies like Exxon,

Really, how so? Did it also benefit Occidental Petroleum, from which the Gore family fortune is based?

Haliburton (Cheney connection)

2 points — 1) Cheney divested long ago, and 2) Halliburton's international logistics subsidiaries have largely taken a bath on the Iraq operation. Also, I welcome any hard figures you might have on how much taxpayer money would be saved if our famously inefficient federal government were doing the work.

5)disregard constitution

Really? Which parts, and how so? In detail. Please offer something substantial, not just the standard vapid talking points. And if liberals want us to believe they care about the Constitution, they might want to start distancing from their activist judges who seem obsessed with rewriting it. What did Al Gore call it, a “living document”? Just stop with all the fake outrage, it’s always been the libs who find the constitution a real impediment to their goal of guaranteed equal outcome for all. There are several countries where this has been achieved. Cuba, N. Korea, China, and soon to be Venezuela. Why not go ahead and move to one of those workers' utopias?

6)illegal wiretapping

"illegal"? How so? Could you point us to the case, decision, or precedent making it so? Also, obviously you never heard of ECHELON, which operated during all 8 years of Clinton with nary a peep from the left. Go figure.

7)mismanagement in Katrina like disasters

This one I love. The whole world saw how liberals and blue-staters really treat the poor. Louisiana is the quintessential blue state. Nagin and Blanco should have been brought up on criminal charges, but with the help of the DNC and counterparts in the MSM, blame was shifted to Bush/Rove. Absurdity at its highest level….

8)politicizing justice dept. by appointing lawyers from 3rd grade schools

Despite the Harriet Meyers debacle, Bush's judicial appointments have been spectacular. Finally, the trend of activist, anti-constitution judges has been reversed.

9)using executive priviledge to pardon Libby (who exposed CIA operatives)in order to protect Cheney and Rove

Once again (now pay attention)…Pat Fitzgerald certified that Libby committed no "leak" crime and "exposed" no one. Jury members specifically stated that they returned the guilty verdict because they chose to believe Tim Russert's flawed memory of a conversation over Libby's flawed memory.

Protect Cheney and Rove from what?? Both cooperated fully with Fitzgerald, who spent untold millions certifying that they did nothing wrong (his bitter post-verfict speech not-withstanding).

Please read the DailyKos more carefully. Even they know that Bush didn't pardon Libby, he commuted his sentence so he wouldn't have to spend time in prison prior to his exoneration on appeal.

10)making a big mess in health care which is benefitting insurance and pharmaceutical cos. big (seniors still buy from Canada)

Good, I hope this means the millions of sick people around the world, but specifically Canadians, will see the light and stop streaming here for health care from our "big mess" of a health care system. Our health care system wasn't a "mess" until the government started monkeying with it. Laughably, liberals want the cause of the mess to be the solution!

11)allowing power companies to pollute by saying that global warming is hoax

Power companies? I thought it was the evil car companies (except for Toyota who makes the Prius, they're still on the "in" list, right?).

Climate change isn't a hoax. It has always occurred, and will always occur. Despite claims from non-scientist Al Gore, the issue of mankind's contribution is far from settled. But don't let that get in the path of your pop culture bandwagon.

Carbon offsets aren't a hoax either, they are a scam. Quite possibly the perfect scam in that both parties (scammer and scammee) enthusiastically publicize their participation in the scam. Wish I had thought of it.

Bush correctly gave Kyoto the Heisman shove. Another outstanding decision for which we can all be greatful.

12)non funding stem cell research on the pretext of religion and faith while not caring for thousand innocents who die on this useless war

The absurd comparisons continue. What do the two topics have to do with each other?

Plural-potent stem cell research is proceeding nicely without taxpayer funding. And, recent developments regarding new sources of plural-potent stem cells are about to render the argument moot. But don't let that stop the hate.

13) creating fear amongst americans in the name of terror and on and on…….

Actually, I'm pretty sure it was the terrorists that did that. I don't live in fear, why do you?

But dealing in fear has always been the SOP of the left. Global warming fear, Social Security fear, Religious Right fear, SUV fear, welfare reduction fear, having to get a job to support yourself fear, etc., etc. I'm not sure I can remember when liberals offered anything but fear.

>>Can these idiots come up with one achievement of Bush's 7 years in power?

Well, the only idiots I see here are the liberal posters, so I'd have to say the answer to your question is no. For a few of his achievements, read above.

>>Hillary has atleast tried to bring in universal care for all the americans, but these wacos haunted her all along.

She was an arrogant, (truly) unelected, and unaccountable pseudo official that tried to force fascistic government-dispensed health care down our throats. Americans (remember them?) spoke on that issue. And it looks like they will do it again.

>>Yes Clinton lied under oath! But, that is to protect his family from personal ebarassment.

No, he perjured himself and suborned perjury in others. These are called crimes. Serious crimes. That is why he was impeached by congress, and disbarred by the heavily Democrat-supporting ABA. A much better way to save one's family from "ebarassment" (sic) is to not sexually molest campaign workers and volunteers, and not solicit oral sex from young, lowly interns.

>>But, this administration has lied to american people

Again, prove it. And think for yourself. No DNC/Moveon/DailyKos factoids/lies.

>>and literally squandered trillions of taxpayers money

Really? That's a lot. Where did it go, again?

>>If that money had spent on american people, there would not be 42 million uninsured, and millions of homeless due to Katrina like disasters.

“millions of homeless”? My, my, the hyperbole is in high gear now! Again, care to prove that with well-sourced facts?

So-called social spending has grown shockingly under Bush. That's why his own party is displeased with him. Liberals, who should be lauding him for repeatedly giving into them, are too integrity-challenged to do so. Hate and regaining power are all that matter.

>>If you don't admit that these policies were wrong, go ahead and rubber stamp another republican who still supports Bush's policies.

A vote for Hillary will be the ultimate rubber stamp.

Who cares what Karl Rove thinks?! Although I am not a Hillary Clinton fan, much prefer Obama or Edwards, Mr. Rove's opinion is irrelevant!

Hillary in the oval office ? Since she likes girls too like Bill cigar prices are for sure to go up. Hey Hillary, What really happened to Vincent Foster and all those other people who died that you and Bill knew ?

Millie,
Please draw me a line from W being dumb to voting for Hillary? Are you saying ALL the other candidates are stupid? As I stated before, Bush isn't running, nor is his VP, Sec. of State, etc. HE WILL BE GONE IN 2009! I hate to call names, but I think your logic on this one puts you in W's class, you know the one with the pointy hats.

We have the opportunity to get past this President in a little over a year. Pull your heads out of your rears and realize that! And, whether you agree or not, W did "earn" the White House. I didn't vote for Bill Clinton either time he won, but I knew that he had "earned" the right to be called President.

Hillary is the best thing that could happen to the Republican party.

Interesting how the article stops short of quoting the damning list Rove gave as to how she is spotty and poor on health care issues. Also interesting to read the comments of people only reacting to the select information and slant of the article.

Is it any clearer now to anyone else why we have such a disconnect between reality in politics, and generally accepted propaganda?

Aaaahhh, Liberals, are you cats always this gullible ?

Hillary, so far, has only been preaching to the choir and has turned down all debates with FOX or any Republican Candidates. So, why aren't you asking yourselves Why ? I can't wait till your Democrat Primary is over and Hill gets the nod and then will have to debate the likes of a Romney or a Giuliani, and who, I may add will be advised by Karl Rove.

If I was a Democrat I would be holding my head in shame for what your Party has done to this country.

Can somebody please tell me what this experience the Clinton campaign keeps crediting Hillary with. Is it being Bills wife, or her great socialist healthcare plan? Really people. Anyone else, man or woman, running for president with her tiny bit of experience would be laughed off the stage.

I don't need Karl Rove to know the truth about Clinton. People, even Democrats in Nevada hate her. How will she overcome that? If you want a war between Democrats and Republicans then pick Clinton. I'm for Obama because I want less political strife. He is the inclusive candidate. If Clinton wins, I won't knock on doors or make phone calls. I don't want to talk to those Clinton bashers.

What folly to compare Bush's "record" with what Hillary "might" do . . .

I wish Bill Richardson had a real chance to win. He's the democrat candidate that might actually be a good president.

"How can Clinton criticize the Bush administration when she and her husband are responsible for the worst healthcare debacle in U.S. history. Thanks to the Clintons, we now have a mangaged healthcare system that is step short of criminal."

Omigosh, what are you on; crack? Please provide definitive information on how the Clinton's debacled healtcare in this country? If I'm not mistaken, Hillary TRIED to do something about healthcare in this country. Yet, your Republican croonies bought and paid for by the Healtcare industry shut her down without having a reasonable debate on healthcare. Now, we've had a Republican administration for 7 years, at one point they had control of the House and Senate, and what did Bush and the Republicans do regarding healthcare? NOTHING!!!!!

Mary B
Please take a look @ johnedwards.com I believe you will see a difference in his Health plan vs. Clinton.

I may not like Rove but he makes a most valid point. anyone on here saying otherwise is delusional about Hillary. she is a neo-con, globalist.

What is going to happpen when the Clinton scandals of now her fundraising felony, and the past scandals that never got resolved hits the campaign trail? Bill Clinton nothing stuck to him but Hillary is not charming, every little mistake every word, every mistake, every brain dead blunder will stick to her!! She has spent how much money and how many stupid brain dead debates and the media has her front and center 24/7,and Rudy still beats her, he has not even begun to campaign the GOP has even begun to campaign!
Biggest problem she is unlikable, and men hate her with pasion, she reminds me of an over bearing angry feminist mother or wife who hates being a women! The sound of her voice is like a chalk board having fingernails going across and the arogant and condisending attitude towards most America, her flip flops, her pandering to ultra liberal Anti American groups, and the fact she has never done anything in life that was not a result of her Husband and his political machine. Name one thing that she has acomplised other than run for Senate and President at the same time, you can't, she has never had a leadership posistion except running the Bimbo eruptions in the Whitehouse in 1992-1996! A senator has not won the whitehouse since JFK, and Hillary you are no JFK and she is extremely easy not to be likable, her negitives will 60% by the time the GOP exposes her frauds he schemes her inherent flaws! She is so polorising that she will offend so many people in her campaign because she is so dishonest and it shows!!!!!Just remember an congentital liar always lies!

Hillary isn't my pick, but I will support her all the way to the White House. We can't stand another 4 years of having a dummy leading our country. George Bush is an embarassement to this country. The Republician Party should be ashamed to call him the "P" word. I know I never will! He hasn't erned it! I am not happy with the Democrat house either. I think the house should be wiped clean the next time…Democrat and Republican.

"Hillary haters make me sick. Republicans make me even sicker! This country never had it so good as when Bill Clinton was president! After six and a half years of rotten Bush and Company destroying this country and everthing it stands for I would welcome another Clinton in the White House!
If ever there was a "fatally flawed"
candidate it was Bush!
What a joke it is to say that you don't trust Hillary! Look who's talking! You fool Republicans trusted Bush! What does that say!
As I recall, Hillary tried to get universal Health care through but the idiot Republcans,along with the pharmacy lobby, had a hissy-fit and destroyed it!!
If Hillary gets the Democratic nomination I will support her 100%
But then I will support any Democrat over the lousy Republicans!"

Susan, I hate to clue you in, but the Republicans were not in power in the Congress when Hillary tried to get her health care scheme up & running. Thank your beloved Democrats.

Also, when is everyone going to wake up and smell the coffee, Hillary is not Bill. I personally don't believe Bill was a good president (and not because of the blue dress either), but all of the Bill Clinton fans think that they can get him back by voting for her. Folks, she isn't him.

Also Susan, if you don't think Democrats are taking just as much money from the pharmaceutical companies and the insurance companies, you've got your head in the sand.

We need to get past the Bush-Clinton-Bush area and get a fresh start. Whether that fresh start is Republican or Democrat, we just need to get there. And I do have to say to the Bush bashing campaigns out there, he's not running in '08. For that matter, no one that has served under him in any capacity is a top tier candidate, so get over it. Run on issues & your ideas, not on Bush bashing. If that is all a candidate will do, I surely won't vote for him.

I think Hillary is just what Republicans need to mobilize the faithful. Go Hillary!

I'd love to have a woman in office. But not this one. I have both of the major parties with a flaming passion, and I'm sick of the divisiveness we've had in this country for the past 16 years. Another 4 or 8 years of venom is not what this country needs. Let's put an end to both the Bush and Clinton dynasties.

When any politician promises to create another program to "help" you, the unseen little guy, just remind yourself that the program will require more of YOUR MONEY to fund more bureaucrats who will create more rules and regulations that will require you to let them decide what is in your best interest. In other words, those politicians want you to surrender your responsibility for making decisions for yourself. Of course, if you don't mind being dependent "on the kindness of strangers" (i.e. bureaucrats), waiting in lines all day to have a few minutes to plead for some service for which you believe you are "entitled", then, by all means, please vote for the people who promise to give us an authoritarian/totalitarian government.

Last night I heard Mark Levin on his radio show state the following which he thought would make a very good bumper sticker: "SCRAPE THE BOTTOM, VOTE FOR RODHAM"; that represents my thoughts exactly.

Carl Rove is right. She is there because there is no other "qualified" leader in the democrat party. Obama may have good ideas but he is naive as a fresh congressman about changing the world. Hillary is doomed once the political machine begins to show the public her multiple flip-flops, constant pandering and win at all costs attitude.

Thanks Hillary for the entertainment, but you aren't capable of running the most powerful country in the world.

You will be missed Karl; thanks for your service. These people who slam you don't know the nice, caring person you really are, and how you are villified in the press. These are the same people who get their news from CNN and NBC (among other biased sources) and don't have half a brain to think for themselves so they repeat their tripe.

With my brother serving in Iraq, I sure don't want a Dem, especially Hillary, in the White House running things, and constantly undermining our troops. Sure Bush has made his mistakes, but he has the guts to fight and do what is right in the world.

Why is it a "slam" or "bash" when a conservative comments on a liberal? While some liberal can unleash a tirad at a conservative and there is not any "Slam" or "bash" or "slime."

This is media bias and they don't get it. Therefore why should I believe anything the main stram media has to say? It's flawed and can't be trusted

I hope the right wing talk shows continue to let Karl Rove,Newt Gingrich and Dick Cheney talk because the American people know they are all liars and as far as ethics and morals go theres are all in the toilet. The American people are tired of being lied to and the more they let these men talk the more I know that Hillary Clinton will definately be our next President!! We all know that George W is not a smart man and I feel bad that he let such evil men direct him to lead this country into the mess it is today. Then again I guess thats the only kind of people George W has known his whole life. I feel sorry for him.

Umm…guys? I hate to break it to all you libs out there, but Bush isn't running in 2008. Don't you think it's time that the candidates start presenting some original ideas instead of continuing to bash a non-candidate? It doesn't take a high IQ to rail against the status quo (as evidenced in so many posts here). Let's see some evidence that all your Democrat darlings can actually think for themselves for a change. I won't be holding my breath.

hillary is plain and simple a complete liar she will use and step or mow down anybody and anything in her way, she did, is, and will, for the rest of her miserible life bite the hand that feeds her, thats why her downfall will be very bad at the end and she will just go in to the darkness with nobody ever even remebering who she was a short time later, people like that never respect anybody beacause of self hatred, she even hates her own dauther. the bottom line is, that because she gets up there and tells people what they want to hear, these innocent people believe her and will ofcourse be very disappointed when she will crash land very hard and not be heard from for a long time. so maybe its a blessing in disquise that she is running.

Somebody from San Francisco calls Mr. Rove a "sleazy pol"–that is hysterical. Compared to James Carville, Rove is a saint. And the main article throws in that Rove is "Bush's brain"–such classless rhetoric–the whole left end of the political spectrum, which CNN anchors, is the deep bottom of the gutter of malignant sleaze.

Universal health care is what scares me about most of these candidates, especially Hillary. Read this and ask yourself if this is what you want for this country!

In Canada, for example, patients are put on notoriously long waiting lists that span from a matter of weeks to several years. It can take three to nine months to even get a consultation with a surgeon. MRI technology is so rare that patients must wait months just to get a scan to diagnose their condition. Even when the doctor, patient and rare transplant organ are available, other hindrances may arise. In early 1999, "a lung transplant had to be cancelled in Toronto. A donor was available … but … [t]ransplant recipients require close observation in an intensive care unit following surgery and no ICU beds were available in Toronto" that day (Medical Sentinel July/Aug. 1999).

Single-payer health care also means that doctors work for the government rather than for the patient; that is, the government, not the patient or his or her family, has the ultimate say in health care decisions. According to a French Canadian newspaper in late 1990s, for example, "hospital personnel took it upon themselves to disconnect a 76-year-old patient from a life-saving respirator."

Then there is the hard cost to the patient once he or she walks out of the hospital and puts the wage earner hat back on. Though Canada's current system has been in place less than 20 years, Canada's Office of the Superintendent of Financial Services projects that by the year 2040, Canadian tax rates will be roughly 94.5 percent (they're "only" about 50 percent now) in order to sustain their health care system as it is now.

Socialized medicine is essentially the HMO from hell, where medical decisions are based on saving money rather than saving lives, much more so than in even the greediest privatized system.

rove makes some unflattering but true remarks about hillary. so the clinton spokesperson attacks obama. typical. eh?

Republican fears have broken through the surface. Both Rove and the Jr are making up lies about her. Apparently, Clinton deserves my consideration for president after all.

Go Hillary! Rove needs to go back to Texas! The American People are hurting and the Republican Politicians choose to ignore this! They think the american people are stupid as a whole. We need to take this to the voting box.

I don't blame the democrats in congress. I blame the republicans and the president for blocking everything that the majority in congress is trying to accomplish especially in the senate.

Hillary isn't "Bush lite" she is Mao Tse-Tung lite.

Pat's comments are hilarious. In her criticism of GW's intelligence, which I'd agree that there's plenty of room to criticize, she misspelled "he'd"…twice. Way to go Pat. Here’s your sign.

Hillary's problem isn't Rove, Bush or any Republican. Her problem is the very large group of Democrat voters that would never vote for her. Bill Clinton was able to get elected with less than 50% of the popular vote twice because of a third candidate pulling from the opposition. Hillary will need someone pulling at least as much as Ross Perot pulled to have a chance.

I think we should get rid of everyone who have been in politics for more than two terms, total. It seems that 99.99% are only in it for themselves and their croneys. Also get rid of anyone associated with the trilateral commission, the skull & bones, the Bildenbergers, and any other of these groups.

As much as I love Hillary Clinton, and as much as I detest Karl Rove, in this case he is probably right. It doesn't matter really what the reasons are, or whither they are valid or not, Hillary Clinton would have a really rough time getting elected.

I am also quite offended by the comment of the Clinton campaign about Sen. Obama. She is not going to make herself more electable by saying and practicing the mean spirited and corrosive politics of the past.

It's absolutely amazing to see how many dipsticks still think that Clinton seems to be running against Bush. The Bush era is just about over and hopefully, the Clinton era will remain what it is – reprehensible history. What is it about politics in this country that attracts mostly bottom-feeders? Why do integrity and honor go by the wayside once elected? We need people of quality, not these miserable political opportunists. The real question is: Where are we going and why are we in this handbasket? And as far as Clinton is concerned – puhleeze – we should elect ANYBODY but that thing.

Rove is right. Hillary scares most people. the republican candidate will will the election, not for who he is, but for who he is not.

So Rove beat Gore and Kerry. Democrats need a scapegoat as to why they could not will the Presidency. They just don't see that Gore is a nut and Kerry is a twit. I mean, the American public is generally stupid but they are not fools. That's why Hillary doesn't have a chance at winning the election.

If she has nothing to hide why won't she give interviews to the press? We all know that no one will ask her any hard questions.

It's amazing to see such laughable comments from the Democrat Kool-aid drinkers. No logic, just the "monkey-do" dance.

I really have no idea how Billary is going to do anymore. In one ear I hear nothing but seething hatred for her, and in the other I hear only praise and optimism. What's an Iowan to do?

vote for richardson, of course

Global warming is bad enough, we don't need a president who also gets hot flashes.

To Susan, Force Pierce, Florida

The Democrats owned both the House and Senate when Hillary attempted her failed universal health care policy. It was before 1994. Nice attempt at rewriting history though. Another nugget for you. All her staff, that were employed to help her with the plan, were only allowed to work 32 hours a week. Why?? So they didn't have to be covered for health insurance. Do your homework!!!!

Anyone who would believe Rove – would have to me as dumb as W. Rove & the Right Wing Bigots are in abject fear of Hillary and her Progressive and Just Ideas!

To James in Phoenix, if that is the best criticism that can be laid on Clinton, she'll be a sure winner and fantastic president. It amazes me how her critics continue to babble whatever criticism they can think up or make up about her, as though it were significant or even noteworthy. It usually sounds more like some kind of 'last dying gasps' to me.

Joel, the sleaziest person in politics is Hillary, not Rove. Rove is one person. The Clintons ran the Arkansas Mafia in the style of Huey Long. Hillary was complicit in the Vince Foster murder cover-up and probably even caused it. From Tyson to Cattle futures to taking bribes from the Chinese, the Clintons are the slickest and sleasiest killers. She has the mainstream media in her pocket and will blackmail, crush and destroy all who stand in her way of becoming the Mgalomaniac Leader of the world.

Hillary Rotten certainly is flawed. She wants socialized medicine. She wants to stomp out capitalism. She wants to raise our taxes and regulate our lives. Funny how she claims in her commercial that the troops are "invisible" to President Bush, yet she voted against the Defense Appropriations Bill that would have given our troops much needed equipment. How she continually declares defeat in Iraq, when our men & women in uniform fight every day to make sure the surge is sucessful. The only thing invisible here is her credibility and trustworthiness.

As a lifelong Democrat and veteran of many political campaigns, I can't agree with Rove more. Negatives don't go down and more than a third of the voters have already rejected "the other Clinton." The Dems are poised to blow the first chance they've had in 28 years to control the White House and Congress.

Let's see…Hillary is a powerful important person in this country with a great track record of accomplishments. Did I say that right?

OK, let's list her accomplishments in order of importance.

1. hmmm, no she didn't do that.
2. no sorry not that either.
3. well, I can't say she's done that either. Wow….this is hard.

Don't listen to James from Phoenix, AZ…

He keeps spouting the same lines over and over without a fact to back it all up. Probably an RNC goon sent out to throw rhetoric out here.

Kudos to JP from Tempe though…for recognizing that half of this blog is corrupted with unfiltered venom from hacks in the campaigns or the RNC looking to spread more unfounded accusations.

It would be nice if we could just stick to the facts and not start sounding like FOX news bashers. Did I say that out loud?

Telling it like I see it,
Wynter

republicans who have had health care all along are the ones slamming this ad so much. I had to file bankruptcy after having my second back surgury with no insurance… my first one was paid for as i hurt my back working my ass off at a low paying job.. they were forced to pay! i do fortunatley have health insurance now as i retrained and got a good job but i will not forget or leave behind the millions who don't have it! SHAME on america having children go without medical care in favor of the wealthy insurance companies and they're lobbyists!! SHAME!
You republicans have shown us what you are alll about and you are for the wealthy and screw the workin class so why don't you all sit back and have a big ole cup of SHHHUUUUDDDUP! bush has wrecked america… that is unless you are filthy rich!

If Hillary is nominated any Republican can and will beat her in 2008. Everyone knows that she is just not an honest, friendly, or principled person. At some point during the campaign she will implode and the game will be over.

Lets get real people. Americans are not ready for a women president and even if they were, she ain't the one.

How many times do I have to say it…Bush isn't running so stop saying that they are going to "change" things…anyone elected will change things. So much hate for Bush you want to run against him again (you'd probably lose again because you put morons up as your candidates). In 2004 "anyone but Bush" didn't win because "anyone" didn't include a boob like John Kerry.

Why are dems so concerned about President Bush's Yale GPA? His GPA was higher than Senator Kerry's. A C average at an Ivy League college would be a B or A GPA at your average public State University.

What a great experiment it would be to have all of you fans of the left actually get Hillary as your president. Then she'd turn this country into a socialist Disneyland. High taxes, a Nanny state, Socialized medicine, and government control over EVERYTHING. Wouldn't it be fun to wait for that operation your child needs but OOPS, you can't get on the surgical calendar until next year. Awww – too bad. And Uncle Joe died last month while waiting for that transplant, but hey Hillary can't fix everything at once can she?
I've been to France, Canada, and the UK among other places. If you talk to anyone with a brain they'll tell you that they have private medical insurance. They don't wait for the state nanny system to take care of them. But you witless tools keep wanting to have Hillary or Obama or someone on the left take care of you. Wake up, grow a pair and learn to take responsibility for you own life. Or if you rally like socialism that much, move to France, go on unemployment and live out your life on the dole contributing nothing, yet taking from the government everything you can get your hands on. The left offers no real answers, other than to keep the people at the top in power because they are "serving the needs of the people" absolute nonsense.

It is not the time for a woman President and it is not the time for a black President. It is the time for a Democrat President however. This country cannot afford 4-8 more years of Republican reign. What are the Democrats thinking? All the Republicans need to do is put a strong male candidate next to Hillary, Obama and even Edwards and he will get elected. Don't they see this. Don't they see how important to the future of this country it is that the Democrats win this election. Because if they don't say hello to endless war, rising deficit, ever-growing gap between the rich and everyone else, more job outsourcing, and say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, healthcare for all, civil liberties, etc.

Pat P.

Bush had a better business record and better grades at Yale that the two 'superbrains' he ran against – Gore and Kerry.

One thing we know about Karl Rove: he attacks opponents on their strengths, in an attempt to get people to question whether they really ARE strengths. So if he's attacking HRC, that shows that he thinks she is the Democratic Party's strongest candidate.

If Rove REALLY thought HRC was "fatally flawed" and couldn't win, he would focus his energies on something he thought presented a valid threat of winning.

Republicans are going to win the third straight very close presidential election because of Hillary. This will keep libs out of the White House for 12 years and probably strengthen the conservative lock on the Supreme Court. Boy am I going to enjoy the anguish of the Libs. That will definitely be PRICELESS.

I just want to echo several posts- there was no call for Clintons people to bring Obama into the conversation. Are they really that afraid of him? I'm very disappointed.

Consider the source the architect of the most corrupt, secretative, untruthful, and fatally flawed administration in history should really clean up his own act before criticising anyone else regardless of the party affilation…but since it was on Rush's radio show what would you expect…he is also one who does not practice what he preaches

Karl, please stifle! The angry Democrats will nominate Hillary, then she'll lose. Sweet, but keep it quiet so we don't miss this opportunity.

I wish Hillary Clinton (and her husband) would become invisible… or just get lost.

I think Karl Rove is just calling a spade a spade.

I think that its almost staggering that anyone can lend any credence to anything that Karl Rove might say about anyone frankly. His views on Bush and his 'Legacy' borders on the delusional. Of course, another 'Great Architect' Joseph Goebbels thought that Hitler was winning up till the day he died.

Your polarizing headline is silly – Rove "Sharply Criticizes Clinton". He spoke of the facts re. her high negative polling and that noone has ever done well with those FACTS in place. His comments were quite objective, though few on the left would understand objectivity.

What I'd like to ask all of you supporters of Senator Clinton is: why would she want to keep all her personal papers locked up until after the 2008 election? What's she so afraid of? That we would discover the truth to her shrill behavior?
Answer me that, Shirllary Fans!

Hey America (and Libs), is you want a government that will control our lives from the womb to the tomb, and a government that knows what is best for us (even better than we know for ourselves), then by all means, cast your vote for Mrs. Clinton. After all, remember, it takes a village.

Reading the Hillary apologists, you'd think they'd never heard of "middle-America". You guys never fail to crack me up.

"Samina, Centennial, Colorado "

Maybe you should really read instead of relying on CNN and the Dumborats talking points.

There are so many more important issues you could be reporting on instead of gossip. This man–Karl Rove– is clearly trying to manipulate the media into branding Hillary as flawed to tarnish her campaign in the minds of your viewers. I would like to see CNN practice journalism by investigating the issues and ignoring these insignificant remarks by political spin gurus. CNN has become simply tabloid journalism.

She's too liberal and wants a nationalized health care system. While I agree that everyone in this country should have some type of health plan coverage, socialized medicine is NOT the way to go. Even Canada is reconsidering their system. If you think the middle class is struggling now, JUST WAIT until this woman gets in office. TAXES TAXES TAXES!

What I don't appreciate is that Mr. Mooney, though a high-quality journalist, refered to Rove as "the man also known as 'Bush's Brain,'" when Rove in that same interview specifically addressed the point that he is not Bush's Brain, but in fact Bush is well-read and intelligent, just also common sense with a good sense of humor. Whether or not one believes this to be true, Mr. Mooney's little comment removes context and is thus somewhat unfortunate.

KARL ROVE SHOULD ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT HE HAS CREATED A PRESIDENT AND AN ADMINISTRATION WITH THE LOWEST NEGATIVE RATINGS IN U.S. HISTORY.

President Bush's grades were better than Kerry's and he has dined at the White House for 7 plus years because the Ds have under estimated his intellect and his statesmanship. Liberal values and what their base believe are categorically different than what keeps this country great, that is why they will lose in 08.

A reliable source once told me, while they were in the Air Force and stationed at Andrews AFB, of a time back during the Bill Clinton administration; when then first Lady Hillary instructed her precious daughter that "You don't have to talk to them (them being the AF crew), they're beneath you". Now, take that comment with a grain of salt of course, but she does come accross as someone capabable of such a comment, and what's worse, of such a mentality, doesn't she? Please do whatever you can to keep this person out of our highest office.

Hillary is a lightening rod . . . . Rove is a burnt ember.

As an independent tell me how I am supposed to reconcile the comments regarding smart and experienced with trustworhty and forthright when it comes to Hillary. The people who seem to most support her fault Bush for "lying" about the war. Hillary voted for the Iraq war and now says she was misinformed and again hides behind the right wing conspiracy blanket. As some of your bloggers point out she spent 8 years in the White House before Bush came into office and as a Senator had a resource who had first hand knowledge of the same intelligence used to asses the war situation. Are you trying to tell me she shouldn't have been the most informed senator who voted for the proposition? Are you trying to tell me her husband wouldn't have told her if he thought Bush was deceiving everyone? Which is it? Is she smart, experienced and well informed or is she naive, misinformed, easily misled and the first to point the finger and not pull the thumb when it comes to taking responsibility for their actions. How many times can she hide under the right wing conspiracy umbrella. I for one refuse to drink the kool aide of either party. At least Obama and Edwards stand behind their convictions.

Rove, you couldn't handle your own problem what you talking about Hillary.
It is hard to believe you still have the mouth to open. The best thing is shut up and go to the church for confession what have done for our Country. I am sorry for Republican, there's no materials for party, Rove was Bush's aidvisor… What is the next wicked plan by Rove and Republicans?

Bush and Rove on the one hand and Bill and Hillary on the other have one thing in common. Both came to power with a srong majority in both houses of Congress and both blew it. Both endured scandals and criticism until they lost their majority and their party was in shambles. During the Clinton and Bush years, the nation was gridlocked, major problems went unaddressed and unsolved. Since 1994, the country has drifted, arguing about whitewater and flagburning instead of sick children, crappy schools, overpopulation, the decline of the middle class, the environment, global corporations, and decaying infrastructure.

If Clinton is elected president, Conservatives will start beating that same drum again. Their frothing, irrational hatred of the Clintons will once again paralyze the nation. Then, in 2016, we will realize that we have done it again. We will spend our time on politics instead of nation-building, and the nation that needs our attention most is US.

"Bush's Brain", that is nothing to be proud of. Is it just me?

David in Salinas, CA:
After 8 years in the White House and seven years as senator, would you enumerate Ms. Clinton's "significant accomplishment". Tell you what, I'll make it easy for you…name ONE.

Who's Karl Rove?

Not a supporter of Karl Rove–I believe he is politically flawed–if he resigned to take on the democrats on his own –so be it –but with all his devious behavior in the white house–what goes around comes around–we just need to be patient–Cheney will get his too.

Clinton, Rudy, Obama, Mitt, it does not matter. Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protestors, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and end this madness.

Only republican care what the devil Karl Rove thinks.His president Bush will go down in history as a murderer of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's in a war that started on Bush lies.All republican share in the disgrace that is the Bush White House.How can that man ever show his face on television and bumble his way through a speech?He should be impeached and tossed in a dungeon in Iraq.All Americans are at fault,however,in November 2008 I hope Americans will remember what it has been like to have a republican as president and make the right choice for America and for the Iraqi people.

Check out DC briefing

Rove, don't you get it. We've all been doomed for years now. Wake up, that's why you are quitting now…

So let's do a little history…

Prescton Bush does business with the Nazi's to start the family fortune off just right; Goerge H.W. has been mysteriously seen present in Dallas the day JFK was shot; and W. sends our military to war over lies, rapes the nation of its dignity abroad, while touts lowering taxes that, when the realit is that every American will have to eventually pay to the tune of $500,000+ per household over the next 75 years; is resonsible for billions of U.S. tax payer dollars being stolen by the Iraqi's, who he's still paying. Promised the big oil interests here in the U.S. 75% of the oil contract business in Iraq after the invasion was over (Oh wait… that was Cheney's idea during his secret "Energy Summit" with Ken Ley and the gang)but as President he is directly culpable; is listening to your phone calls and email regardless of what he sayd about " only listening to call that include a foreign entity", allows an Attorney General to lie to Congress and get away with it, has left our childrens education so far behind that local states rely on the lottery to try an make ends meet – while ensuring that any religious entity gets all the money they want and defying the seperation of church and state.

And is directly responsible for the deaths of every American soldier, civilian and Iraqi civilian ( the totla reachin 500,000 quicly)as result of this war.
You neo-con idiots should be used as chum for the sharks

Some might say she would sell her soul to satan for the Presidency. I say she already has.
She may very well be our next President. Those who put her in office will be responsible. She is not just "fake" like Edwards supposedly is…she is wicked.

There is more than simply two families that have good ideas to lead in this country. I loved Bill too, but 20 plus years and 2 families in the White House is not democracy.

If Rove was so bad at his job, then why do the Democraps spend so much time trying to picture him as a villain. How many people have died, committed suicide,used the media to make stories disappear(Remember Sandy Berger), and IRS to destroy enemies. Answer:The Clintons Who's the Villain?

I'll be crossing over to vote for Hillary in this years primaries. Nothing like having two Republicans running against each other in this next election.. Yeah for America!!

I think 8 years of the Clintons was enough for the voters to see what Bill and Hillary are made of; totally selfish behavior, "me, me, me," and no regard for the American people. They will say and do whatever is needed to get votes and have ABSOLUTELY no moral character. Out of 300MM Americans, aren't there any other families than the Bushes and Clintons that can run a Country?

Hillary is too divisive of a person. If people think she will be as charismatic as her husband they are mistaken. Hillary and her husband have proven that they are anti-military and like it or not our next President will be a war President. People have to ask themselves, Does Hillary have the ability to win the war or lead us down a self-destructive path like Lyndon Johnson did? Will she be able to handle the threats to western civilization or just stand back and occassionally lob a few missiles in the general direction of the bad guys?

I wouldn't be surprised if she won the election. After all, this country elected her dope smoking, cheating, draft dodging husband to office TWICE! Never underestimate the ignorance of the American liberal. She'll win simply because Republicans have held the office for 8 years. She'll win, but she will be a "one-term" wonder and then we can get back to seious business. I'm just wondering how much damage she will do in that 4 years, and how many attacks there will be on American soil in the first year after she takes office.

Rove is partially correct. Clinton's record is spotty on more than just health care. She makes Obama's material easy to write.

Re: Posted By John, Erie PA : August 15, 2007 3:55 pm

"What a shameless, cheap and false thing for Senator Clinton's spokesman to say!

Barack Obama has clearly stated in the past that he respects the Clintons and that he thinks she can win if she is the nominee.

Karl Rove makes a comment, and instead of attacking Rove himself, Senator Clinton's spokesman somehow tries to tie Obama into the whole thing.

If the Clinton campaign is really so confident that they are going to win the nomination, you'd think they would take the high road. They're nervous, though, and willing to do or say anything it takes to win, apparently."

This is the best point made on this thread. Not many people on CNN give two craps about what Karl Rove says, but the fact that the Clinton campaign responded this way is the most interesting thing to note here. Obama would never say that Hillary "has too many negatives" and that she wouldn't win the White House if she got the nomination. Plus, equating a lifelong democrat and protector of the people like Obama to a dishonest criminal like Rove reflects nothing other than fear and hatred, something this country doesn't need any more of. To think that Obama's opinions are the same as Karl Rove's — on just about anything — is a huge insult to Obama, and I'm shocked to hear the Clinton campaign brutally attack another Democrat like this.

Also, you Repubs can pretend that you want Hillary to get the nomination all you want to, but she would win the general election against any Repub and you know it. This country longs for what it had in the 90s when Bill was in the White House, and the people would do anything to get Bill back in there, even if it means electing his "wife."

Thats the pot calling the kettle black!

rove is hardly an objective observer.

Karl Rove has done nothing for the average American for the past 8 years. He has no right to talk on Clinton's prospects. He and 'his' presidency will go down in the history books as one of the most corrupt of our time.

Though he and the Bush people can't see it now…their time in tenure reeks of Alien and Sedition Acts, corrupt violations of people's first amendment rights, and totally controlled by big business. They give Republicans a bad name.

Hawk, I realize it is so much simpler to say that it is just Republicans hammering Hillary than to face the truth that it is Obama, Edwards and Biden supporters as well.

Again one must ask why is this "story" is still on top of the ticker after so many days?

CNN wants to give the appearance that "their" candidate is fighting the "vast right-wing conspiracy".

I have no use for Rove at all, but someone has to tell Shrilary that Bush and his brain "aint" running again.

If you want to see how a Republican Governor and a Democratic legislature can WORK TOGETHER on health care reform (not SOCIALIZED medicine), see Massachusetts and how Romney got it done here with their HELP.

She had 8 years and did squat because it was a flawed bill that would have SOCIALIZED it, won't work.

Romney said it best when he stated, do we really want the same type of beaurocrats in charge of Health care that were in charge of Katrina??

No way.

All I can say is "Go Hillary, Go!!" And drag down the entire Democratic Party with you!" The Republican candidate will win in November 2008!!

Boy, I'm sure sorry I missed Bush's brain on the Limbo show. What did they call the show dumb and dumber? I am going to save the comment by the liar Rove about Hillary and after she wins the presidency I'm going to frame it. Way to go Rove, you are one sorry excuse for a human being.

Is it true that Hillary's real name is Dolores Umbridge?

Its ironic that Rove can call Clinton flawed when the Administration he works for has horrible records on most issues. It is ironic since the Bush Administration has repeatedly demonstrated how inept and corrupt they are. We have a President that doesn't care about health care, our borders, balancing our budgets, or telling us the truth! These men need to check themselves before they speak.

Amazing! Karl Rove talking about negative poll numbers. He's overlooking that his boy has the worst poll numbers of anyone. If GWB ran for any office today, he'd go down in flames along with the rest of his corrupt, incompetent crew.

How is it possible for someone to be watching her in public life for the past twenty years?

Eh, when anyone from the bush party speaks, I make it a point to not listen. I would rather waste my time shopping at Wal-mart buying toys from China with led based paint.

Hillary really, really cares about the "little guys." Signed, White House Travel staff.

guess I'm naive BUT wouldn't it be nice to have all candidates talk only about what they would do for this once great country rather than continuously degrade their rivals????????

Hillary had to move to NY to get elected. Did any of the other candidates have to do that? A senator has run and lost for the Dems how many times? Yet the dems will still insist on running a senator, instead of a govenor. After two terms of GW, are the voters really ready for another polarizing leader? No matter how much you hate Rove, there is no arguing that he is very smart…look who he got into the White House. If Rove says she is in trouble, then she is. By the way, do you really think Rove is done with politics? Fred Thompson is calling…

Hey Joel, The score is even. Clinton's Sandy Burglar, er Berger, was convicted among others in the Clinton presidency, whereas Scooter was the only one in the Bush presidency to be convicted of a crime. So the score's even. What's your point? Where is Ron Brown anyway?

America is plainly going in the wrong direction, and Karl Rove was the bandleader. I will vote to bring my Brothers-in-Arms home – ASAP. In the meantime, Impeach Cheney, please!

Correct me if I am wrong. Did everyone have health care when Clinton was in office? I felt pretty invisible then and have always. It doesn't matter WHO is President. Her hubby's admin didnt' treat anybody any different than this admin. Her hubby didn't have 9/11 but they were planning while her hubby's was in office- I guess she forgot her hubby's eight years were a joke too.

Gotta agree with Der Architect: simply unelectable, poison for Congressional candidates, divisive, shrill, inauthentic, not the woman to be first woman President.

" I think those of you who persist in labeling Senator Clinton “shrill” just can’t face a powerful woman …"

One of the things that really bothers me about her when she speaks and uses her hands is that the hands movs in time with each syllable spoken. The tone of voice is that of a grade school principal having to emphasize everything a syll-a-ble at a time so that all of us that aren't nearly as 'intellectual' as her get it.

That would be fine if she were explaining quantum physics, but quoting tired old campaign slogans in this manner just wears me out.

Have a great day,

Chip

I am a die hard Democrat and proud of it. However, I will have to look to the other side of the aisle if Mrs. Clinton should get the nomination for our party. I do not trust her in the least little bit. The man to lead our party and this nation is Barack Obama.

Mr Rove ought to know by now that most Americans do not share his or George Bush's views on anything!!!!!

Tom G.: I hope you're joking.

Rove's statement is valid and, in my opinion, the truth. It would be true no matter who had said it. She is horribly polarizing and completely bipartisan and divisive and, honestly, the Bush administration has already done a marvelous job of dividing our country. Let's not let Hillary take over where they leave off, hm?

I am certainly not a great fan of Hillary, but I would defend her to the end of the world against Rove or any of Bush's cronies. The sanctimonious, pompous, arrogance of the whole lot makes my skin crawl. No wonder the migaration rate to Canada was at a 30 year high last year. I look forward to the day when the entire Bush administration is held accountable for their crimes against humanity.

If Karl Rove is considered "Bush's Brain," then it is unfortunate that he did not resign his post years ago. I am
tired of hearing the Hillary bashing. Hillary has been in the political eye a long time. She puts herself out there, which can be risky. But I don't see her behaving in a vacume, the way the Bush administration has. As to Karl Rove, good riddance.

hiliary clinton your neat

Because of Bush, Cheney, and Rove no republican will win the White House for many years. Thanks to these three incompetent liars Clinton will most likely win.

If Karl Rove is known as "Bush's Brain," it's unfortunate he didn't resign from his post years ago. I'm
not a screaming feminist, but I'm tired of the Hillary bashing. Hillary's
political record is no more spotty than anyone's who has been in the political eye as long as she has.

Phil Singer, a Clinton spokesman, brushed aside Rove's critique of her favorability numbers, saying, "It sounds like Karl Rove is writing Sen. Obama's talking points."

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Nice change of subject, Mr. Singer. I see where Hillary 'liar' Clinton gets her strategy from.

Listen, nobody hates Hillary because she is a woman. They hate her because she has a humorless, arrogant attitude, gives the impression that she knows what's best for everybody, and espouses socialist policies. I also note how quick she was to jump on the bandwagon to support a popular war that is not so popular now. Four years after the fact, when it is too late to change history, she suddenly becomes a war critic. All she cares about is herself and self-glorification. And that remark by her spokesperson regarding Rove's writing Obama's talking points was a low blow that is typical of the candidate herself.

As a non American, sitting on the sidelines I have to ask aren't US citizens tired of the same families owning power. You have had 12 years of Bush's now get set for 16 years of Clintons and then what? Will Chelsea Clinton be next. Come on now, enough is enough. If you want change get new people.

I never fail to be amazed at Clinton haters like James of Phoenix, AZ, who continue to dredge up old allegations about Hillary Clinton that have been proven to be outright falsehoods make up by Richard Mellon Scaife, Kenneth Starr, and the rest of the vast right wing conspiracy. I think another poster got it exactly right when he said that these Hillary bashers can't stand to see a smart, independent, strong woman in politics. As for Karl Rove, well most of America thinks he's corrupt, dishonest, and sleazy. Before long he'll be yesterday's news.

More of Rove's "dirty tricks", to make questionable assertions and focus on the "negative" when commenting about the leading candidates of the opposition.

What do you Expect Carl Rove to Say?
He knows Hillary is going to win the nomination. He is just afraid of the fact that it is going to be history and a women is going to occupy the white house and the republicans can not exploit the emotion and sentiment of average americans and rule the country on fals propaganda anymore. Why dont he ask his Republican collegues like Sen. John Warner, Chcuk Hegel and above all the Veteran Sen. Lugar to see what they say about what is happening with this adminstration. A war that has crippled our economy is still being justified.Why is Carl Rove leaving? He is visualizing he could face the fate of Scooter Libby. Did anyone hear how the FBI director contradicted Attorney General's statement. Why the adminstration stops its employees to testify under oath? Do you really think Republicans like Ronald Regan will approve this??

The sad truth is that negatives and positives in the 40% range represent a much more favorable standing with the American public than what George W. Bush has held recently. It might not be that much better, but it is an improvement.

And, btw, since when should we (people who care enough to read and think) care how the "American Public" polls? I'm tire of polls being considered predictive guidelines. It ain't over 'til it's over.

It's sooo funny to hear Republican attack Hillary on health care. She is the only one who ever actually TRIED to get health care coverage for EVERYONE. Of course the republicans and insurance companies prevented her from accomplishing this, but she DID TRY. So if you are one of the millions of people with no health insurance and you want to keep it that way, by all means vote for republicans. And can you believe after all the crimes committed by this administration, there are still people out there talking about the TRAVEL OFFICE FIRINGS! HA. what a joke.

Is it really a compliment to be referred to as "Bush's Brain"? I'd rather take credit for being Bush's personal trainer; he's done a fine job of remaining physically fit. We can't say the same about the functioning of his brain.

As I recall this same fellow predicted that the Republicans would hold their majority in the 2006 elections. I suspect his days as a political fortune teller are well behind him.

Goodbye, Karl. Thanks for saving us the trouble of having to loathe you for another fifteen months. Please stay off the TV and out of the papers.

James Carville saying that the Republican party 'Lost a generation…' talking about younger americans proves he doesn't know America.

What a complete farce, Rove and his "crew" have done nothing but use Clinton as a diversion to his unanswered problems.

He is known as "Bush's brains", who would actually be proud of that title?

I don't take offense to Karl's Hillary comments…I take offense that he has the nerve to comment on the presidency at all. The brain (or lack there of) behind this administration has got be high. He got the village idiot into the highest office in the land and as an American citizen I have never been more embarrassed.

On the Hillary thing Karl…brains and strength are not "fatal flaws"…but why would anyone expect you to know that??

The worst Democratic candidate is 100 times better than the best Republican one.

Republicans (alias – "conservatives") are fatally flawed. They are selfish, greedy, impervious to the truth, without any morals, foresight, wisdom or courage.

Every single one of them is a liar, a thief, a cheat and a coward.

When they are in power they either fail at what they try to do (Iraq, Katrina) or they succeed in doing harm to the majority of Americans.

Now if only the American people weren't so ignorant that they get misled time and time again by all the crap that Republicans spew out about god, guns, gays, abortion and their so called "war on terror" they would throw every single member of the Republican party in prison and declare it an enemy organization.

You don't need to look to the middle east for terrorists – look no further than your local Republican office holder and party members.

Karl Rove speaking to Rush Limbaugh? Two cowards, liars and traitors who should be indicted and hanged for their treason.

Karl Rove just made my decision a lot easier: if he dislikes Mrs. Clinton, then she must be doing something right. She now has my vote, because you are defined as much by your enemies as your fans. The more irrational Republican attacks on her become, the more appealing she sounds to me. We are supposed to take seriously the opinions of the main policy advisor of the worst Presidency in US history? Stick a fork in Rove, he's done.

Why can't this loser just go away once and for all???!?? He's been wrong since the mid-term elections. If he was that great, he would still control the puppet, instead of the otherway around. Go away for goodness sake!

Where can I sign up to fire the entire Executive and Legislative branches of our government, and to start over with a group of individuals that want to work together, instead of against each other, for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

I am a 58 year old Democrat. I have never missed voting in either a Primary or General election. I take my politics seriously.

Mrs. Clinton claims she is the most qualified candidate to run for President, in part because of her years as First Lady. Yet while she was First Lady her husband was having a long-term affair. During their marriage Bill Clinton had several affairs, one of which was serious enough for him to consider divorce.

If Mrs. Clinton didn't know about the "Monica" affair which was going on under her roof, and supposedly wasn't diligent enough to know of many of her husband's affairs, how can we know just how diligent Mrs. Clinton will be as President?

We already have one President who is out of touch with reality. Do we need another who doesn't know what is going on under her own nose?

Fatally Flawed – that's a rich. This coming from a guy who's president friend has plunged a nation into a war under false pretenses in 2003 and then proceeded to announce a few short months later – Mission Accomplished!!!

Just think people, with the amount of money that has been spent on the war the entire population of the US could have had affordable and universal health care.

What else? Oh yeah……
- Katrina Response.
- Osama…. he's still around.
- Record foreign deficit etc etc etc

And Hillary is fatally flawed!!!!

Not that I can talk, Prime Minister Howard isn't mush better but that will all soon change.

The best hope the Dems have of winning this election is to nominate Obama. Clinton can be his running mate, and they should be able to pull it off.

Ticker: CNN 'fatally flawed'.

Is Karl Rove slamming an opposition politician really news?

Karl Rove is scared to death that Hillary Clinton might win this election. Rove has to be one of the most corrupt, sleaziest, negative, disgusting, hateful persons on the face of the earth. Thank God he's leaving Washington, but you can bet he'll still have his slimey finger in the upcoming election (maybe he & Newt can get together– now that's a team of real classy guys, huh?)
Rove– go home, go away, just GO!

Carl made the comments on his "criminal drug addict friend's" road show.Birds of a feather aren't they?

Carl belongs on a talk show hosted by a drug dealer and addict.He is as much a criminal for politizing all branches of government.

I have no response to that.

'FATALLY FLAWED'….COULD THERE BE A MORE APT DESCRIPTION OF HILLARY. LEAVE IT TO ROVE….PERFECT!

Rove is right on target…as usual!
There is NO way that Hillary will win the election nor, possibly, the nomination. At this time in our history, we must have a man who is more well-respected, experienced and and qualified. Further, Hillary is too controversial to win, for she cannot be trusted.

All I see from Democrats in the debates and elsewhere, including Hillary, is constant Bush bashing. When am I going to hear some substance? In other words what are they going to do to change things.

Hillary is a mini Marxist and has said we are going to take from those who have it and give it to those who don't. This isn't the gov'ts money, the hard working earned it. She can't even remember which lies she has told. and continues to hide papers that define her beliefs. Bush isn't any genius for sure, but he has a belief system, whereas Hillary has an amoral character. Whatever is convenient, and the method of personal attack. She wins the nomination and gets creamed by the public in an election. Why is she a senator from NY, that is not her home….she bought PR votes, by getting hubby to pardon PR assassins who killed members of house of representatives. Remember

The only reason someone of this stature attacks so soon in the campaign is because they are really scared.
Let me get this straight George bush wins in 2000 because the supreme court says stop the counting while bush is ahead. after the count is finished the total show that Gore won but Rove pats himself on the back and says we lost the election but we are in the white house.
Four years later the election comes down to one state and the counts are sorta funny and bush wins again. Rove clears his throat and walks back to the white house.
then the 2002 elections come around and the people have said that enough is enough. the lies about why we need to go to war in Iraq, the spiraling cost of gasoline and heating gas, the problems of me here in our country mean something.
Rove and Chenney just laugh and go on about what they have been doing. Rumsfeld is now gone the attorney General has no respect in the house or Senate.
Rove says it is time to leave, hey george you are on your own. In 18 months we as republicans are going to be in real trouble. I think the people are really upset with us and the next election is going to go real bad for us so I am getting out when the getting is good.
Once outside to government I can say a lot of bad things about Hillary and I can say all of the good things we accomplished. If I have some time away I am sure I can think if something we accomplished in the second term. There has to be something that was done in the second terms to help the everyday people here at home. Let me think for a month or so and I will find something.
My health care insurance is going up 30% per year, my state income taxes went up last year, My local taxes went up, my school taxes went up and my state is looking at raising my sales tax. But wait my fed income tax went down or did it?
remember what Gore said about the surplus in the budget he would put into the social security trust fund. thanks to george that surplus was wiped out and there may be no social security fund in my future. Go ahead an Go back to Maine Or Conn. or wherever you came from before you claimed Texas as your home. The Democrats will have to clean up the mess you have left the country in.

Just vote Obama.

Rove is the only brain that baby bush has and that is not much. If this country contious to exect morons or let their family fix election then we deserve what we get. Get out of Iraq and elect someone that will lead this country in the right direction.

If you truly believe the baby bush is the one then God Help Us. This man is the worst thing that has happened to the US since LBJ. I am a die hard Dem but both parties have their idiots.

Let's put another Clinton into office and pull this nation together.

Not everyone in Texas likes the bb ofice.

Ooooooo! Fatally flawed! Oooooo! Boy, does that sound scary! But in exactly what way is she fatally flawed? I can't wait to hear! How frightening! How exciting! What a bunch of nebulous meaningless crap from the master of spin!

Figures, Rove on the Rush program. Believe me when I say I trust Hillary Clinton's word over Karl Rove any day! I trust Hillary's word any day. Who would you leave your children with? Hillary '08

Hey Rover get on with your retirement because you and your ilk have ruined this countries standing in the world

What better endorsement for Sen Clinton than the idiot "Bush Brain" to bash her on the impartial Rush show. How does one become know as the brain of the most ignorant president of all time and then be covered on "mainstream" media like CNN

Heh. A fatally flawed psychotic is finally forced from the White House as his legal troubles multiply like flies on Cheney. As he leaves under a cloud of smelly programs and decisions, like a dying rattlesnake, a last strike, a "snake-y lick", at Hillary Clinton.

Such an honorable, straightforward politician – I'm sure influenced!

Bye bye Karl. I dare not say you will be missed. Your grasp of political science was very Hollywood, your compassionate conservatism quite the opposite, and you led this President down the rosy path by sequestering every protesting voice out of earshot and tuning every television in sight to Fox News.

Yeah, like I'm gonna believe you now…

Loke for Rove and Hastert to be the pitbulls for the GOP. They can and will say anything, do anything, to get the GOP relected. They are the highest paid prostitutes in the country.

Hillary Clinton has more intelligence and integrity than Bush and it is clear to me that America- Republican, Democrat, middle class, working class whatever, everyone will be better off if she is elected and not another polarizing, and narrow minded social conservative from the republican party.

Ok, let's think about this.

Karl Rove is a partisan Republican. He is also a political strategist and, regardless of whether or not he has an official position in this Administration, or with any of the GOP Presidential candidates, we have to assume that he wants to see the eventual Republican candidate win.

So…..given that he is a partisan Republican AND thinks and acts strategically, is it reasonable to think that he would publicly say "Hey Democrats, don't nominate Hillary because she won't win" if he believes that to be true? Or is it more likely that he actually DOES see her as a threat?

If he truly believed what he is saying, Rove the Strategist would keep quiet about it.

The reality is that the GOP is always more focused on playing partisan mind games than they are actually putting forward candidates and legislation that actually serves the American people.

Hillary Clinton is a strong candidate and will be a formidable leader should she get elected. The GOP is ~terrified~ that she will win the nomination, because they know that for every person they turn out that hates her, the Democrats will turn out one that loves her, and that the voters "in the middle" mean it when they say they are sick of the Republican's purposeless war, runaway spending, utter lack of ethics, and scandal of the week, and will vote for whichever candidate the Democrats select.

How does anyone in their right mind expect Hillary Clinton to be President. She can not run her own marriage and family much less the government of the United States. Sorry, but her shoddy showing during her years in the white house have proven that their are alot more women much more qualified then her. All blow and NO go!!! Her dismal attitude and snotty remarks only show me that she is desperate to stab everyone else in the back for the best job in town.

Maybe, just maybe, it is time for Karl Rove to shut up. I doubt history will be kind to kim, his puppet the President (W Bush), and Dick Chaney.

Looking at the comments on this blog I would say Obama is clearly a divisive enough peronality that he would split the country in half. Republicans aren't going to vote for him, and we've got half the democratic party criticisizing one of the strongest democratic presidents we ever had, and one of the strongest democratic candidates that we have had in years on the basis of what – a sex scandal. Who cares? This voter doesn't. And odds are those of you that do are all commenters on this blog and supporters of Obama.

As for those of you who are Obama supporters, I would rather have someone that forgave her husband for adultry and knows her stuff, than someone who doesn't know crap and can't talk about anything but the Iraq war and stutters as bad as Bush anytime he is asked anything unscripted. And if you take time to look at their voting records – they are practically identical. Obama has modeled himself off of Hillary minus the ex-presidential spouse.

I can't decide whether the Clinton/Obama "war of words" is real or not. Politicians (all of them) and their advisors are so dishonest and manipulative that I just assume they don't even know when they are telling the truth or trying to score
popularity points with their constituents.

When Karl Rove attacks Clinton and the first thing her campaign can think about is Obama, you know they are running scared. Obviously they are beginning to realize that all the media driven national polls that show her leading does not reconcile the polls in iowa, NH and SC where voters arre not impressed by her 30 second soundbites and scripted appearances. I'm still waiting to find out what she stands for.

I'd like to see Rove multi-task and beat up on the campaign of the next President of the United States, Hillary Clinton, while also advising Americans who the Republican party could possibly have 'up their sleeve' to do a better job and front run for the Republican Primary. Being unable to multi-task or answer without George Bush's permission, I'll assist. No one.

I think that Rove's (and the White House for that matter) willingness to take on Hillary is demonstrative of the Republican's desire to see Hillary as the Democratic nominee. By directly engaging her on a Presidential level, on a party v. party level, a Democrat v. Republican level, the Republican's have tipped their hand.

They want her as the nominee. They want her to get the nomination.

Now it is up to the Democratic party to recognize this, and decide on someone more able to 1) unite the country and 2) defeat the Republican candidate, such as Obama.

WAKE UP PEOPLE – HILLARY IS NOT THE ANSWER. More of the same is not the answer…Do we really want Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton?

The truth hurts! If you are Republican, or one of the 3 in 10 people still unable to extract your head from your…well you know. I don't support Hillary, but this is nothing but the truth, about the most disgraceful President in the history of this great country. He makes Nixon look like a Boy Scout.
TomRealTexan

NO ONE CAN BULLY HILARY SHES STRONG AND NOW WEAK- NO MAN CN BULLY THE DIGNIFIED WOMAN PRES. CANDIDATE. MEN SHOULD NOT BULLY THE WOMAN- IF ROVE GETS HURTS OF THE AD?WELL THATS TRUE AD- AMERICAN EPOPEL KNOWS IT AND I KNOPW IT/ WHY HE ATTACK CLINTON WHY NOT OTHER AD TOO MEN S AD; WELL HES SUCH A CHAUVENISTIC GUY WITH BAD REPUTATION ALL OVER THE WORLD AND AMERICA.FRAUD ROVE AND FRAUD ELECTION THEN TWICE, KERRY-BUSH//GOR BUSH.

Hillary haters use such cogent logic–

Hillary is Bush-lite –what an original criticism, and so based on fact! Simply because someone is adult enough to see that compromise sometimes is what moves an intractable issue off of the dime is far ahead of these bumber-sticker quoting wonders who wouldn't be able to manage a lemonade stand on their own in the real world.

Yeah, and thanks to Rove we've had 8 years of the worst Presidency in American history.

Typical Republican political stunt, slander the Democrats to make their nominee's look better. All the Republicans have running for the presidential nomination is a card board cut out, a late to the show TV actor, and a mayor with more skeletons in his closet than a Halloween party

Listening to Rove is like listening to fingernails on a chaulk board, useless but it gets a few seconds of attention.

When I was a little boy and got hurt, or sick or anything I always ran to mom. She took care of everything, every time. Tonight I called her because I needed to. I'm glad I did. Women are smarter than men, more responsible, more honest. If women could lift more weight men would not fit in this society. Women can fix things., and if ever things needed fixing, it is now. I hope we can last long enough to elect Hillary. If anyone can pull this country back from the mess the Bush clan has gotten us into, it will be PRESIDENT CLINTON, Hillary and Bill, The best that ever was and two for the price of one.

Love him or Hate him, Karl Rove knows a thing or two about politics! He was able to work a miracle and get W. Elected not once but twice. The Republicans are licking their wounds after the butt whooping of a dissatisfied American public. IF the Democrats think that the call for change was because of their superior ideas and policies, then they have a sad awakening come election time. The best thing that could happen to the Republican Party is Hillary winning the Democratic Nomination. She will experience an initial boost in fund raising and polls because of her name recognition and loyal "Clinton" followers who want a chance to correct the wrongs of President Clinton. Because of the same name recognition, she may be the most disliked candidate in History. There are four good candidates on the right who would beat her easily in a head to head race for the Presidency. Taking cheap shots at Sen. Obama adds fuel to the fire.

Rove…get out of town with some of your Swift Boat buddies.

Fatally flawed…did I miss something??? Was he talking about bush?

Look folks if this Rove guy was bush's brain…then that has to be the two dumbest people on the Earth…….mean…hurtful…divisive..

When bush said (I mean Rove said)…I am the great divider…er..I mean Uniter…poor bush…must have gotten all those verbal screw=ups from flying so many missions over the Alabama skies protecting folks from the dreaded Vietnamese Air Force…

Karl…just go away…but not before you go on all the conservative media and take cheap shots..you worm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keith Guice
Franklin, Tn

Even if you extremely dislike Rove you have to listen to him on this one. He's got a lot of experience as political strategist and I completely agree that Hillary will be very difficult to elect. It first occurred to me when some commentators on Fox news all of sudden became nice to her after years of Clinton bashing. The truth is they know that with such high negative ratings it's going to be very easy to rally people against her, no matter who her opponent will be.

Another thing that Karl Rove and many republicans think but absolutely will not say out loud is that large part of the electorate will not vote for woman or non-white. I'm not saying that this is right, but it might be ugly political reality.

look in the mirror and say to yourself–this political system makes sense. And then look at Karl Rove…….

I couldn't care less about this ridiculous banter that is occurring. Take a look around people, the government is nothing but a machine built to enrich those of wealth and power, and if you are not in the club, then to hell with you. I used to buy into the propaganda spread by our media, including CNN, however I've had an about face. PLEASE deliver REAL news, and not bickering between 2 people that will NEVER be our president. What ever happened to investigative reporting????? CNN is among a VERY large group of news organizations that touts the views of a very strict and scrutinizing government. Seriously, if you really think YOUR vote will count, then you are lost to the concept of democracy.

Hello ! Isn't it obvious that noone cares what Rove has to say.

He has been called " Bush's brain ".

That sounds more like an insult than a compliment.

NOONE WANTS TO HEAR BUSH'S BRAIN ANYMORE.

We're tired of it !!

And if he really is the one who has been instructing Bush regarding all the atrocities that have occurred in the last 8 years, well, I wouldn't be so eager to go around claimimg that title.

I remember back in 1990 – watching Bill Clinton campaining for health care changes – he never did anything and Ms Hilary will not either – this is just a Clinton tactic to get a vote -= and take another free RIDE -

Fatally flawed? C'mon Rove look at her competition and tell me she won't win by a wide margin in the general election:

Mitt Flip Flop – votes for gay unions – then changes his mind – votes for stem cell research and then changes his mind — talks tough on immigration while illegals mow his lawn — nice hair, but belongs on cover of GQ and not in the White House — too stiff and rehearsed — just a good looking Al Gore.

Mr "Rudy I am the 9-11 Man" – weak on family values (he don't walk the walk); a "devout" Catholic who is technically ex-communicated from the Church becasue of his divorce and marriage to his cousin; a son who would rather play golf then help on the campaign; a daughter voting for Obama; a man with his hand in the lobbyist pocketbooks; out of step with mainstream conservatives.

John (bark bark) McCain – will not have enough money to attend the Republican Convention; too linked to Bush's Iraq war; in bed with Kennedy on immigration; too old, quick tempered, and grumpy (bomb bomb bomb – bomb bomb Iran).

The DA from Law & Order – gimme a break — he will file his papers 2 weeks after the first 5 primaries.

Newt "Another Contract with America" Gingritch – No chance – not a return to the past so soon after a dismal Republican run in the White House. And he did not keep his last contract – why believe he will keep a new one. Moral issues a problem (he dogged Clinton on Monica while carrying on his own affair — trust an issue for many)

No, voters will put in Hillary and despite their dislike of the Democratic Congress – they dislike the Republicans more. The public will want to give the Dems the reigns in the White House, Senate, and House – in the hopes that with total control of the agenda and both chambers, they can get something done – and get us out of Iraq.

And besides, we will get to see the "First Man" in action — that is something voters will be dying to see. So we follow a Father and Son White House with a Husnabd Wife duo. And look for Joe Biden to be on Hillary's ticket — he is SOLID and experienced — As for Obama — he disappears for a while – and gets the call for a Cabinet Seat —

David, You are a real gentleman, honest American citizen and righteous. I watched Hillary's public life since 1992 Campaign for her husband. She is the most brilliant and powerful woman in the world. Haters are narrow minded, low and mean people. Their lives are miserable that's why they like to destroy another person's great success. Republicans are scared at Hillary's nomination. Republicans are supporting Obama for their designing. They knew Obama is a piece of cake at General Election for them, not Hillary. But Americans are smarter than Republicans, so Hillary will win, Hillary is my girl and our girl, nobody can change our mind.

To Pat P., Huntington Station, NY, who wrote " was successful in getting a failed business man, Yale C-average, barely two-termer former Texas governor into the White House."

Another Yale student got a C for writing a business plan that imagined an overnight mail delivery service. That student later founded Federal Express, which is a multi-billion dollar business.

You can't accuse Yale of grade inflation.

An "average" Yale student is way above the average student of the general population.

Mrs. Clinton has a big mouth.,and who wants a leader with this past ,she is the last person you want to vote for,anybody with a litle wisdom can see ,she has a lot of hot air ,she sound like a big bully,she forget one thing that God is in controll and not her or me.

I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT MRS. CLINTON TALKS ABOUT IN HER TV AD, AND I DO FEEL THAT MR. BUSH THINKS THAT I AM INVISIBLE. I am a single Mom who cannot afford child care, and I have no health insurance, even though I work full-time. Mr. Bush, however, sees only Iraqi problems (that he helped create). He's throwing our good American money down a hole over there.
God help those 500 people who were recently blown up there…..

You can plainly see how threatened the Republicans are that Mrs. Clinton is going to win the Presidency—-look at how strong their attacks are. No one can match her, and the more people attack her, the more popular she will become. It will unfortunately turn into looking like "males" are saying that a "female" cannot be a good leader, and this will anger capable business women, and working women, and women in general and men who support strong women, and people will give her capabilities and experience a long look, and will know that the the political & personal attacks against her are, in fact, groundless.

She stands for HOPE for people…and is a mirror reflecting all that has gone wrong with our great America in the past 7 years. We Americans want our America back, and we WILL get it back.

Hillary Clinton is one of the most wicked and deceitful persons who has ever entered the American political scene. She is a self-serving wench who will destroy anyone who may stand in her way, even if all they've got is a little information about her. Examples of this are Vince Foster and Ron Brown, who were killed under extremely suspiceous circumstances (i.e. they were probably murdered by Clinton.) If Hillary Clinton had the power, she would be as evil as Adolph Hitler.

I'm going to be honest. I am a Republican and let me clue you all in on something. Republican big wigs are chomping at the bit hoping that Hillary succeeds at getting the nomination. They are banking on Repubs coming out in droves to make sure ABC (anyone but Clinton) becomes the next president. And frankly, I don't see how the Dems can actually win in ANY scenario. A Giuliani/Thompson (or vice versa)ticket will deliver the South and New York to the Republicans. Think about that…NEW YORK (and yes, it would go Republican…enough of NYC itself would vote for Giuliani to combine with Long Island to give him the state) …with this country so polarized, do you really think the Dems are going to be able to turn enough red states to blue to make up the THIRTY ONE electoral votes that NY will bring to the Repub side?

Dear American People,

My good buddy Karl says that I am fatally flawed, but I can assure you that I'm not dead yet. Now that Bill and I have divided you all up into different classes (rich, poor, black, white, hispanic, union, non-union, etc.) and labelled you all as some type of victim, I'd like to unite you all for the purpose of electing me as your shrill, feminist, lawyer-in-chief for the next 4 years, or longer if possible. I propose promising you anything and everything you want, (but please, don't expect me to deliver on any of these promises). Eventually, the government I create will make you all dependants of a socialist society, and you will have lost all ability to think and do and live as you please, but at least I'll be in power, which is all I've ever wanted. So please, unite with me to destroy the evil right-wing conspiracy (which really doesn't exist but which does make a good boogeyman to rail against). Just, please please please vote for me. You aren't invisible to me now, but you will be soon after I get my seat of power. And don't vote for Obama, or I'll screech like Howard Dean. (Oh wait, I already do that!)

Sincerely,

Hillary

"I'm Hillary Clinton, and I approve this message."

Regardless of Hillary's imperfection and wrinkles, she has my vote, my wife's votes, and my 4 daughters' votes. She is also the role model for all my grand daughters !

Hillary is winning and the republicans are whinning ;=)

Ok…this is another example of what bothers me about Camp Hillary. This issue is about what Karl Rove said, so why did her spokesman throw Senator Obama under the bus here? What was the intent? Linking Rove to Obama is beyond the pale and another reason why so many democrats cannot bring themselves to vote for her.

The sad thing is that for a brief time, I was considering voting for her, not because I liked her policy positions (which are non-existent), but just to be able to see Sean Hannity's head explode.

Can't vote for her now.

Lastly, I would strongly encourage everyone here to take a few minutes and see Obama's forum in Cedar Falls, Iowa today…it's on C-Span's website. He was terrific, and even won the support of a young GOP guy who asked him a question about values voters. The guy later said he was impressed with Obama and would be voting for him.

bush killed alomsot 4000 soliers and dont care about american people. which one is flauwed use your brain. kiddo,

BUSH/ROVE AND OBAMA ALL MEN- SIMILAR ATTITTUDE;CHAUVENISTIC/SARCASTIC AND DANGEROUS.THEY DONTLIKE HILLARY AS A WOMAN EBC. SHES GOOD/FIGHTER AND THE EBST.
SHE AND HER HUSBAND HAD A GOOD RECORDS. IF YOU GUYS WANT REPUBLICAN AND U HAVE MONEY VOTE REPUBLICAN DONT CRY IF YOU BURIED IN THE GROUND THREE TIME UNDER THE REPUBLICAN APRTY IN WHITE HOUSE. US YOUR BRAIN/IF YOUR BUSINESSMAN OR YOU HAVE MONEY VOTE REPUBLICAN -IF YOUR POOR AND STRUGGLING VOTE DEMOCRAT. GOD BLESS HER.

I agree that Hillary Clinton has some flaws.It doesn't take much to figure that out, but for this corrupt, egotistical individual to call someone 'flawed' is quite amazing.The country is in a state of utter meltdown, and it's this president, and people like Rove, who are behind it.It's going to take YEARS to undo the damage done by these people.Hillary Clinton may be as flawed as they come, but I don't think a lying, sneaky, snake like Rove, or any other Bush boot-licker, should say anything about flaws. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

Name me a Republican that stands above the pack with high enough ratings to win.

Reply to Buffalo Jen:

Wal-Mart has $4 scripts of some of the most widely used drugs; did Hillary have anything to do with that? She boasts bringing "low cost prescriptions", so what exactly did she do?

In New York, Hillary was a big proponent of the "morning after pill", which encourages people to have irresponsible sex with people they don't particularly like. You must be proud.

Clinton is DOOMED huh? How does Karl Rove know this? Does he planned to fix the electionagain like he did in 2000?

RE: It sounds like Karl Rove is writing Sen Obama's talking points.

My argument with this is not that Clinton and Rove are sparring, but rather how Clinton's people (Singer) are quick to drag Barack into every scuffle they have. Te problem they have should be with the current administration, not with each other. If you can't mend fences in your yard, how in the hell are you supposed to be a spokesperson for change and ethical reform as president?
what draws me, and I hope other voters, are these candidates who don't have the ability to avoid the mud slinging. If Ann Richards could have done that 13 years ago, who knows, we possibly wouldn't be in the situation we are in now.

I have spoken to several Democratic women who say they will not vote for Hillary. Why? Because she stood by her adulterous husband who slandered the women he had affairs with and lied to his country and family. They said by doing so, Hillary sent the wrong message to our children and abused women.

I'm a democrat but I can't stand sleazy politicians. Hilary attacking Obama instead of Karl Rove makes me sick. In 2006 she advised Bush to take Nuclear weapon off the table when it comes to Iran but when Obama said something more reasonable about Pakistan, this idiot jumped all over Obama. What a hypocrite. She took a page out of Karl Rove play book. This chic will flame out in the next few months. I was kind of neutral about Hilary, but now I can't stand this loser.

Calling Rove a "spin doctor" insults those who spent years in med school…but that's what he his. He has spent his useful, adult years twisting truth and attemtping to manipulate people…as he does here with Hillary.

People must understand that nothing that people like Rove say is real, it is all carefully considered, researched and vetted. They aren't speaking "from the heart," they are only saying what will enrich them personally and professionally.

Piltdown Man

Sorry , but where's Hillary's specific accomplishments (other than signing off on more tax money moved from point A to point B to give to unmotivated citizens)? I'm still going around the internet to find WHAT HILLARY HAS ACCOMPLISHED other than fight for more of my tax money to give to lazy people who don't want to work.

How hard is it to simply sign off to take more of my tax money, or worse DEPRIVING OUR AMERICAN TROOPS of funds to give to lazy people who don't want to work.

Hillary hasn't done ANYTHING to qualify her for the Presidency ! She is bought and sold by lobbyists to get money for her state to give to people who don't want to work. She wouldn't know how the do THE MAIN JOB of the President, which is to protect our country from enemies ! She's NOT EVEN CLOSE to being Presidential material.

After telling everyone how 'she' was going to operate the 'new' health plan, during her husband's presidency, and then floundered after it crashed, she has not had much to do with politics until New York. Not much to be said on her ability to get along with different folks with different strokes on a major issue, so why should we believe her now? I do not believe her, and Medicare STILL does not cover dental and vision needs. So much for the loud voice about what 'she' can do, but little substance in what 'she' has not done so far.

The best way to improve her rating is for Rove to say negiative things about her. his rating are like 6% like him at all the thinks he is a liar .. hopefully the nasty guly man will dis apear

For more negative than positive side, Rove should look at his mirror. He has been arguable one of the most hated persons in the Bush administration!

As it stands, at least according to the polls, Hillary beats any republican presidential candidates even she has subject under a microscope for decades. The leading republican candidate (Giuliani) has yet really under a microscope for bad things to surface (other than his 3 or 4 marriages, strange wife, bad feeling ex-wife and kids, unhappy new york firemen & other former staff, etc). When the presidential election draws near, Giuliani may again drop out as he had done when faced Hillary in her first senate election.

Rove is bad for predicting election at all. I recall a news clip the day before the last electioon day for congress and senate, that he told a CNN reporter that the republican candidates would win the congress and senate.

Rove is become more and more irrelvant every day.

Who is Karl Rove to talk about who is "flawed"? He should look to himself and his former boss first.

Hush, Karl! Let them nominate her before they find out that she's a lousey nominee.

Hillary SUCks and was a lousy President's wife, disliked by the White House Staff. Why does she believe the people will have her near that place again. I'll vote for anyone against her but never in my life will give her the time of day…

Who cares what Karl Rove thinks? Let the judicial branch catch up with him while Georgie hangs out in Texas.

Blaming Clinton for not being able to reform healthcare on the first try is like blaming women for being raped.
Crooked money hungry politicians don’t like health care insurance reform. Clinton has worked for health care reform for at least the last 16 years.

Anyone who really thinks that Obama is any kind of "new blood" evidently is too young to have heard these same lines by every politician that ever ran.

"I am a uniter not a divider", Obama and Bush, both have the same line. No suprise Obama is a Bush-like
Bush-lite.

You cannot have healthcare insurance reform and a for profit healthcare insurance industry. Any money going for health care insurance profits is not going for health care.

Karl Rove is a pig.

He is the epitome of the dishonest, arrogant and self promoting political hacks that are parasitically sucking this country dry of it's spirit and sense of integrity.

What's with the cheap shots at Obama?

It's no wonder no one likes her.

Obama '08.

Let’s face it, Mrs. Bill is a very smart lady to be the first out of the gate. Unfortunately, Rove’s comments are dead on! She is has such a caustic and negative personality that will only come out more as the campaign runs along. Has anyone even seen the ad? Instead on criticizing Bush, who by the way isn’t running in ’08, she should be telling us what she will do to address those see says “are invisible the president.” She doesn’t tell us what she will do, other than say “you won’t be invisible to me,” because she has no plan to do anything! Negative ads, pointing fingers and blaming others… Mrs. Bill tells what you are going to do and take responsibility for your poor voting record! Obama/Edwards ’08!

Hillary would be a disgrace as president. While she's wasting her time in trying to make videogames less violent, kids are buying guns from gang involvement and terrorists are blowing themselves and civilians up unchallenged.

James of Phoenix, Ariz -

Will you please give me an example of Senator Clinton’s “anger management issues”?

In the twenty years I’ve been watching her public life I’ve observed remarkable composure and significant accomplishment. Have you been watching the debates?

I think those of you who persist in labeling Senator Clinton “shrill” just can’t face a powerful woman who disagrees with your failed ideology.

This is what Republicans do: 1. take a conventional wisdom, 2. repeat it over and over again, even if it no longer holds true = result, no one bothers to know the facts anymore, so they automatically think the "conventional wisdom" is true. While people remember that Hillary could not get Congress to pass the health care reform while she was First Lady, they don't know that, in her past six years as Senator she has passed several pieces of important health care legislation.

I SEE WE STILL HAVE A BUNCH OF BRAIN DEAD REPUBLICANS RESPONDING ON HERE, KARL ROVE IS JUST TRYING TO TAKE HEAT OFF OF HIM AND THE BUNCH OF LYING THEIVING SLOBS THAT HE HAS BEEN ASSOATING WITH THE LAST SIX YEARS. 62 MILLION SPENT BY THE REPUBLICANS TRYING TO GET SOME THING ON THE CLINTONS BY KEN STARR AND THERE WAS ZIP.

Rove and company have the same attention and compassion for the average joe as any elitist group does, that is to say, none. They will, however, manipulate said group while giving endless lip-service to Mr. and Mrs. person on the street. As for Rove's attack dog comments on Hilary, while I'm not a big fan of hers, I'd still take her over any of the crowd competing on the opposite side of the aisle. Any modest examination of Geo. Bush Jr's pre-presidential credentials and verbal gaffes after election paint a picture of mediocrity, evasion, mendacity and hypocrisy hard to match in modern politics. Further, Rove essentially created Bush and elected him because he was an easily manipulated political tool. The quasi-theocratic undertones to the two of them, including Bush's sense of divine 'guidance', gives me hives. I don't shove my spiritual agenda on others, but they have no qualms. Other than the above, Rove is a great guy, if he stands still and doesn't speak.

I am not a huge Hillary fan but Rove better thank his lucky stars that W was not running against her and not those wimps Gore and Kerry!

Oh my, if Samina from Colorado did not say it all, then I don't know what else to say! She said it all. Look at the current administration's record for the last seven years, and I will vote for ANYTHING except a so-called conservative republican. This country needs a change. What really needs to happen is for all parties to put aside their differences and work together for change. No more political parties. One for all and all for one. Wishful thinking I guess.

I am a democrat, but Hillary's people are driving me away from her. Hillary's camp had perfect opportunity to fight back at Rove and the rest of the Bush fiasco but NO!!!! She attacks another democrat. I thought she was going to bring the country together. A uniter, I think not, she is a divider. I am an undecided Democrat who thanks to Hill's people have decided anybody but Hillary— I want change not more of the same!!!!!

I just wanted to say, as a Hillary supporter, that I am sad to see people on my side of the argument resorting to childish insults. We all have members in our families with different political views. Let's be as respectful to each other as we would to them. Please.

Rove may say all these things about Hillary Clinton, but she has my vote. What's the matter Karl, sour grapes for a failed/flawed administration and the biggest mistake America ever made in electing you and your cronies?

As a woman, I hope that Hillary Clinton doesn't win the White House. She comes across as fake and untrustworthy to me. I don't have a problem with a woman in the White House, but Hillary isn't the right person. Her universal healthcare plan was horrible, a lawyer in charge of healthcare reform, give me a break. One of the reasons insurance is so expensive and healthcare cost increase yearly is due to lawyers. I am a nurse and when I was working in the hospital I daily saw people talking about potential lawsuits over surgical procedures that had a complication and the potential for the complication was explained before the surgery and the patient signed for the procedure knowing the potential problems. Hillary's goal has always been to be in the White House and she is willing to take the money from anyone, no matter who they are or what they do, offering it to get there. Her voting record stands for itself, she ignores the middle class and we are the ones suffering under taxes, etc. I am not defending Bush either. No cadidate running appeals to me. Any chance we could elect a president who is from the middle class and knows what the stressors are… I forgot we are all too busy working in real jobs to run for office.

America needs to take the blinders off because the future of this country hangs in the balance. This has nothing to with political party and is more about common sense.

If you look at what the current presidential candidates are saying you'd notice that they using words that envoke feelings like – "You are being ingored" or "Are you struggling ?" Or they might say we have a responsbility to something..Or we are on the verge of a crisis so dire that we must act now.

If candidates could not focus on feelings and talk strictly on policies and fact would we find that there is no excuse why anyone should not be covered by a health care program. That there are programs in place to cover everyone who chooses to. Would we also find that man caused climate change has been disproven and acknowledged by Dr James Hansen of NASA and that the goverment's energy policies are causing high fuel and corn prices.

The future cost of electricity, gas, and how much more we will pay in taxes all hinge on who is elected president. If you have a job in a private company and make over 30K a year or if you own a small business consider supporting a conservative candidate for president. Goverment liberals are planning some of the largest income tax hikes in US history all to fund more failed programs that always need more money to succeed.

Common sense sadly is not common right now. And when people are only fed one point of view thats when this country falls short of the America we could be.

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As far as flawed candidates, the Republicans have their share with Romney, Guiliani and McCain. Unless someone emerges who has the stature to not only repair the damage of the last 8 years but also has the statesmanship to restore our image in the world, 2008 is shaping up to be a choice of the flawed versus the very-flawed.

Keep on hitting Hillary with all the negatives you want. Do these people think the American peopl are so stupid to listen to all the crap. See that is what is wrong with this President. He thinks if he says it you will believe him. And we don't Mr. Bush. Nor do the people that actually listen and pay attention to fact believe all the bull they hope to spread. I know take the bull—- back to the Bush ranch. And for God's sake stop all the smears and talk the issues Obama and Edwards. Your starting to turn people away from you….If you can't play nice leave the park…

As if we really care what a criminal such as Karl R. has to say?? Get real.

How could Karl Rove even say that. She tried desperately to get universal health care for all American citizens in 92 and 93. The initial plan failed, but Hillary authored and initiated the S-CHIP Program, WHICH COVERS ALMOST 7 MILLION CHILDREN. I just can't believe some of these ludacris comments. Bill and Hill are not to blame for the screwed up health care system. They saw the problems and took the initiative to atleast try and fix the system. And now, look where we are. Where would we have been if the healthcare initiative passed? What has the current president done to help the situation? NADA He's even threatened to veto an expansion of S-CHIP.

This is the same guy who has been giving his opinions and advice to George Bush all these years right?

company=country

I hate when the Left and Right get me riled up enough that I start using the wrong words

The one instance I remember of Hillary Clinton during her husband's campaign for President, was her promise that all American's would receive health care under his administration. Since that never occured, how can we believe her now?

The complete lack of intelligence in this thread is amazing. Which is almost as amazing as the fact that so many people are blinded by personal party politics and are only capable of blaming the other side.

Well as an Independent, all I can say is that both sides have screwed this company up. It is time for change, hopefully that change comes quick enough to save us from the fear mongers from the Left and the Right.

As a lifelong democrat I can honestly say I would NEVER vote for Clinton. She is petty, dishonest, and has not accomplished anything of value for this country. I would sincerely like to vote for SOMEONE I could trust – even if I couldn't agree on all the issues.

Fatally flawed — out of the mouth of someone who is hardly what you would call forthright, honest and fair.
I'll take Hillary any day over the Republican's pining for the position. Hillary = intelligence, engaged, articulate, understands politics without being spoon-fed by Rove, etc.
You go Hillary — all the way to Pennsylvania Avenue!

Rove is leaving the white house to keep from answering question. If he is Bush's brain, no wonder the USA is in such a mess. Hilary Clinton is not perfect like Rove is!!! She is the hope of America and has Bill Clinton to back her up. Bill was one of our best presidents and Hilary will do as good or better. All Rove has is his big mouth and his friend Bush,billionaire Bush, I don't think he got all that money by working. Bill Clinton has come clean on his Monica rap, why does Rove?

I'm a lifelong Democrat who voted for JFK in my first presidential election, and I've voted Democratic ever since (except 1972 when I didn't vote). I will not vote for any Democrat at any level if Hillary Clinton is on the ticket. I'm tired of being embarrassed by the occupant of the oval office. Hillary and Bill are the reason we have had two terms of George W. Bush. No way should they be rewarded with another chance to make a mess of the presidency.

The name-calling and the slander and the deflections and insinuations are just silly. The details of specific decisions and mistakes made by either Clinton or Bush and his advisors are important but secondary to the big picture that they add up to…
I honestly feel that; 1) I am the least proud I have ever been to call myself an American, 2) the global opinion of the US is as negative as I can remember, 3) more than ever, our administration pushes ideological agendas that are near contradictory to sound and solid and often scientific and practical advice.
These feelings indicate, to me, some "fatal flaw" in the way the current administration is running things. The presidential election in 2008 cannot come quick enough to give us a chance to change this. no wonder campaigning and primaries are starting earlier…

Can we all see from the very high number of polarized comments on this discussion board how polarizing Hillary is??? Let's face it, the last thing we need is another polarizing president in the White House, and whether you like her or not- there is no question she is a polarizing figure already!! Let's get away from the Clintons and Bushes.

The Clinton's have a legacy of sucesses, while Rove has one of failures. Rove run the Bush administration for 6 years based on deceiveness and lies. So before Rove can stand and talk about legacy and legitimacy in American Politics, He should prove to the American people his effectiveness and his leadership. Here is a man who has constantly lied and manipulate the system to fit his own agenda and ego. Rove will be remember in history as the architect of a policy failure who cost the live of 1/2 million irakis, and almost 4000 American soldiers. Nothing to be proud of in my book.

Who cares what he thinks?!

We already know Hillary's not the "second coming". That's a fact.

And as far as "honesty & likeability", it's hard to like a woman who wants into politics to be in the most powerful state. I mean.. she didn't become senator of ARKANSAS.. why not? She's not in it for changing life for the betterment of American people – she's in it for the power. She liked the power, she liked the money. I cannot believe the NY people let her run them over like that – she had NO interest in NY until it provided her with a Senatorial seat, and that's the ONLY reason she moved there. Come on! Honesty? Pfft. That's about as honest as "I support equal rights to marriage on a state level" – which translates to "I don't support gay rights to marriage – I want to see them fighting more for years to come and never really getting the satisfaction of being able to rest their head in any state they want as a married couple." That's about as honest as Bill's campaign promises to the gay people, about 7 years before he signed DOMA. These are not very honest people, and the worst thing is, they don't care that you can see it! It's RIGHT THERE for anyone who wants to look it up!!! They're not honest, as they say one thing then do another! "I support the gay right to marriage on a state level" doesn't support equal rights to marriage. That is not honesty – that is talking in CIRCLES. And who can like a person with morals like that? Who seriously likes people who talk like that? Don't you feel you have to watch your back with people who can't give you a straight answer, and stick behind it? Jesus – at least when the Republicans say they hate gays – they stand behind it. That's honesty, regardless of whether you like their stance or not.

Look at that, the sociopath Rove is bitter because Clinton is not so easy to micromanage as Bush. Also, she's enraged because the Clinton ad told the truth. It's obvious to the world that their own people, living in what is effectively a war economy, is invisible to the corporate/war-mongering elite. In fact for sociopaths like Rove & Bush peoples the world are visible only in terms of the resources they represent, no more.

Why is anything Karl Rove says "news". This is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

In my opinion she is a worthless thug. I would vote for Obama before I would vote for Clinton, and I don't like Obama either.

"fatally flawed"????????????

YOU and your MONKEY boss are fatally flawed you fat non-rapping bald headed slob, except you send someone else to suffer the fatalities!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've friggin heard everything now.

Kudos to Karl Rove- fially someone has said what every American is thinking, but is afraid to say. How can Clinton criticize the Bush administration when she and her husband are responsible for the worst healthcare debacle in U.S. history. Thanks to the Clintons, we now have a mangaged healthcare system that is step short of criminal. So what if Rove is writing Obama's talking points- I think the country is ready for a fresh face in Washington.

I am not American. I cannot vote. I just watch.

Rove has been the President's kingmaker for 7 years. Stands to reason that Rove would not abandon ship if he saw some way out of the worsening wreakage.

And then, abandon ship at the first Democratic volley? Having lost his traction in Washington and with judgment day drawing near he is just trying a redeeming final cleansing Act of what has been a tragic play.

none of those running for President in fact no national politician has a clue about what real life in the "trenches" is like and they never will.

Why is the Clinton camp bringing Obama into Rove's comments? They must see him as a bigger threat than the pundits.

I find it fascinating that CNN changes the posted times on some of these stories to keep them at the top of the ticker. I think I'll keep an eye on it, but so far that I've noticed it seems to be on the Hillary stories.

Good post Samina. I would laugh if it wasn't so serious, but its ridiculous for anyone to pay any attention to Karl Rove calling anyone or anything "fatally flawed" when the last 7 years have proven that nothing is more fatally flawed then neo-conservatism.

Before Rove can talk about other politicians' flaws, he should look in the mirror and keep his mouth shut…he's lucky that Scooter Libby took the fall for him!

The Clintons are very unethical. We don't heed any more Clintons in the White House.

I find it amusing that while so many people seem to hate Hilary they hardly ever cite any actual issues that she stands for as the reason for not liking her. Okay, I've seen a couple of Heritage Foundation talking points about not supporting Republican health care ideas, but those haven't exactly been working that well so far, have they?

It's so obvious that they main reason she's hated so much is because she's a woman. If she were a man she wouldn't be such a controversial figure.

As far as saying we don't need another Clinton in the White House, how soon we forget the great prosperity we enjoyed under Bill. This was despite the GOP trying every dirty trick in the book to bring him down.

Personally I'm more of an Obama fan but I'd vote for whichever Democrat wins the nomination. I don't care much for Edwards, though. The last thing the Democrats need is to nominate another boring (I'm sorry, I meant to say "safe") candidate. We need a fighter to win the election.

Karl Rove should be more focused on the corruption that he was a part of while serving in the the White House.

It is unfortunate that he and the White House has to take shots at others doing much better than the entire Bush Administration has ever done.

Tell him to focus on himself!

To Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh: Neither one of you has any credibility. So in language you understand- SHUT UP. Sincerely, Jamie Rodriquez

I don't know who is worse Karl Rove or Senator Clinton's spokesman.
It's sad.

What a complete joke. who takes this idiot serious. he has been nothing but a scum bag his entire life and he can only get air time on the illegal drug doper himself limbaugh. And Cnn wants us to take this serious?

Maybe Karl Rove's conduct is fatally flawed and that's why he suddenly feels the need to spend more time with his family. Let's review. His tactics managed to put a semi-literate, draft-dodging drunk into the White House where he embarked on a Constitution-violating power grab; to drag this country into endless, senseless war; to devalue the middle class while lining the pockets of the rich campaign donors; and to undermine democracy by operating in almost unprecedented secrecy and disenfranchising voters. Rove's own conduct caused fatal flaws in his tenure and in his little drunken buddy's legacy. Badmouthing Hillary is just an attempt to divert attention from his own failures and the damage he did to democracy. In defense of Hillary, she has dedicated her life to working for real people. While she was racking up accomplishments, what was Bush doing? Drinking, bullying, oil speculating? The Bushes have never done anything for anyone but themselves, yet with all those negatives politcal handlers like Rove got the fool into the White House. So, negatives don't mean anything. It all comes down to how well the Roves do in stealing elections. What Rove needs is a good special prosecutor to dog him for 11 years.

Hillary Clinton should be made invisible. There are a number of books out on her and Bill that people should read before they vote for her. She is a very evil person and is in it only for her own agenda and not for the people of the USA.

I can't believe the ruckus over this Karl Rove slams Clinton article. I don't care what party you are affiliated with, this was "Karl Rove" talking to "Rush Limbaugh". Two wrongs don't make a right and Rove talking to Limbaugh is about as wrong as two people can get about anything.

If Hillary wants to make a fool out of
herself she can have at it. She can talk about Universal Healthcare all she wants.
Bottom line:
*9 trillion in debt
*High tax evasion
*Failed already
*Violent economy ( but stronger than Bill's)
Universal healthcare is not happening
I'm all for food stamps, every CHILD insured, a temp. saftey net,
and truly diabled people getting help.
Anything more than that is bordering on Communism and is too expensive to
pay for unless you raise taxes and lose a million jobs.

Why Rove left:
Rove and Bush had contests to see who could read the most boooks the fastest?
Obviously Rove is leaving cause he the Harry Potter Series finished.
Bush is still obvioulsy hoping to finish around Jan 09′
Rove is a joke, without 911 he would not have been able to pull of 30% of the backward things he did.

Thanks again CNN for soft pedaling Rove's grotesque abuses against American democracy — now you give him the soap box to do what he seems to have born to do — sling filth for the GOP.

Hey Samina,nice talking points, anytihng original in that melon of yours? Sheeesh! Get something original and quit wasting our time.
GO BUSH!!!

How is this news? KARL ROVE said on RUSH LIMBAUGHS show that Hillary Clinton is flawed? Anyone listening to Rush Limbaugh would never in a million years vote for any Democrat ever, so who cares what he said? Wow. Shocking. And all along I thought Karl and Rush loved Hillary.

Karl Rove's prognostication track record is not exactly stellar these days. This is a man whose party drop kicked control of the Congress to the Democrats after claiming that the numbers he was watching favored continued Republican control.

Although there are questions whether Hillary Clinton will or should be the next president, there is no question that the country will be much better off now that Karl Rove is gone and George Bush is on his way out the door.

Karl Rove on Rush Limbaugh … two excellent examples of why people should not vote Republican.

Given Rove's history, especially recent history, he has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. The fact that he helped elect our current Pres only confirms that fact.

Who would want to listen to anything from the Bush camp. Rove is sounding brass. This is a smoke screen. They need health insurance for the sickness in the Bush administration.

Tom,

I suspect you are not in a successful marriage. You think the strong person is the one who chucks it all away when your spouse acts out?

Anything that doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. This lady has a pair of brass ones!

How about you?

Hey Sen. Clinton, How did you make this about Obama. You are as wicked as Rove and just lost my vote.

Lets just face the facts.
Hillary is no good for the Country.
Rove is no good for the Country.
Now that we've come to that conclusion, lets move on. Check out Ron Paul. Yeah, he's running on the Republican ticket.
But the man makes sense folks. He cares about all of you.
Oh, and one other thing. CNN, could you please stop using the word SLAM, when depicting ones comments.
Ron Paul '08

I listened to Karl Rove on Rush Limbaugh and found him to be very intelligent and his service to our country is very much appreciated ! He is right about Hillary Clinton, she is a socialists and we don't need her likes in the White House. She is worse than Bill ! President Bush is one of our best presidents ever. The media has been very cruel to him. He is a Christian and is very DECENT ! The liberal biased media should be ashamed. They will have to answer for every " EVIL " things they have said and done. God sets in the heavens and laughs at them that critisize. Karl Rove will be missed . I know my remarks won't be on this blog because CNN is a Bush Basher and very biased toward Bush ! Shame on you.

Karl Rove, Thats with a "K"(Nazi) is whistling in the Dark because Rupert told him its "TIME TO GO"! the 9/11 Play Book is closing in on Him! He knows that Hillary knows, so shoot the HEN, BEFORE IT LAYS EGGS.

the obama shot was truly classless. i don't care about rove, or bush, they've already shown they are without class. to bring obama into this is just absurd, and just trying to provoke a reaction from him in hopes of making him look bad.

Me thinks someone is scared! And justifiably so.

Just a thought on one of clinton's comments in her ad,

"If you're a family that is struggling and you don't have health care, you are invisible to this president."

I would suggest saying this, "if you are a family that is stuggling and don't have health care, don't blame someone else. Don't wait to be noticed and wait for the government "daddy" to take care of you. Get yourself in gear and take matters into your own hands. Don't wait around for the govenment to take care of you. it is your job to do that for yourself.

This is a viewpoint coming from a minority young single white male who had digged in ditches, washed dishes 60+ hours a week, and has lived without health care on more than one occasion.

No matter how bad anyone thinks this administration is, you are still living in a country with more freedom and more opportunity than anywhere else.

If you are waiting on Clinton to notice you and look out for you I wish you luck but in the mean time I am out working and making a living and a future for myself.

Meanwhile, back in Iraq, terrorists killed 500 people in a series of truck bombings yesterday, as a direct result of Bush and Rove's fatally flawed (and probably lost) war… And we're supposed to worry about the dead case of the Rose Law firm and Vince Foster.

Sorry, gentlement, but the American voter is smarter than that.

We Republicans HOPE Hillary gets the nomination.

RE:Chip Celina OH
A complete scan of this blog shows that if idiots were money we wouldn't have a national debt. It also proves what most of you don't want to admit and that is anybody with the last name Clinton scares the be-jesus out of Republicans.
Now everybody KNOWS why Rove is leaving the white house. They want him free to dogg Clinton's heels.They know how to play you guys that's how you got Bush. Most of you on here voted for him. Now we got to flavors of kool-aid Obama-lite and Rove-evil. Drink up all you weak minded easyily psyched folks.

My argument with this is not that Clinton and Rove are sparring, but rather how Clinton's people (Singer) are quick to drag Barack into every scuffle they have. Te problem they have should be with the current administration, not with each other. If you can't mend fences in your yard, how in the hell are you supposed to be a spokesperson for change and ethical reform as president?
what draws me, and I hope other voters, are these candidates who don't have the ability to avoid the mud slinging. If Ann Richards could have done that 13 years ago, who knows, we possibly wouldn't be in the situation we are in now.

My argument with this is not that Clinton and Rove are sparring, but rather how Clinton's people (Singer) are quick to drag Barack into every scuffle they have. Te problem they have should be with the current administration, not with each other. If you can't mend fences in your yard, how in the hell are you supposed to be a spokesperson for change and ethical reform as president?
what draws me, and I hope other voters, are these candidates who don't have the ability to avoid the mud slinging. If Ann Richards could have done that 13 years ago, who knows, we possibly wouldn't be in the situation we are in now.

Thank you Carl Rove for stating the obvious! Fatal indeed. I have such a sick, sinking feeling whenever I hear Clinton speak. There is no foundation to her and certainly no heart for the so called "invisible" Americans. I despise her dishonesty – and have no respect for anyone who stands by a man after being made a fool in front of the world.
How sad that the first woman who has made it this far in a man's world is so base that I can't vote for her. Shame on us for giving such individuals the stage to perform on.

Rove certainly ought to know a divisive political figure when he sees one!!! He is definitely correct about the fact that a lot of people are going to vote for anyone but Hillary, but completely wrong about who the Democratic nominee will be.
Barack Obama is going to win and, once people start paying attention as the primaries/caucuses draw closer, they will see that he is a superior candidate and the one best equipped to bring about the kind of change we need. The undecideds should break his way in large numbers. As for his alleged lack of experience, let's talk about the record of those with experience in terms of Iraq. Iraq is a case study on the kind of decision-making a president faces — serious consequences at stake, imperfect information, passionate voices on both sides. Barack sure nailed that one, didn't he? Where did all of Hillary's alleged strength and experience lead her on this question? Barack had the same general information we all did and he chose wisely, despite the prevailing political winds at the time. Hillary didn't even read the entire National Intelligence Estimate. I will take Barack's considered good judgment over experienced people making a mistake every time.

In short, no other candidate from any political party will be able to repair America's standing in the world as well as Barack Obama. No other candidate appeals to such a wide variety of people both within and without the United States. No other candidate has more sheer intellectual talent combined with the leadership skills and record of getting things done. Deep down, I think Clinton's campaign knows this, which is why they are so eager to try to tear Obama down and try to get everyone to accept the premise that Clinton's nomination is a foregone conclusion. It's not going to work, but it's pretty much their only hope since they can't win on the issues or on who is the better leader.

Obviously he is flawed and not her. He has gone and his career is over whereas she is running for president, which he never did. Good on her! I think he is just gealous because he never did.

Clinton's camp is out of line. Obama has never addressed "Clinton's favorability."

More Carville? Forget the future, let's party like it's 1992. Vote your past. Vote Clinton.

If anyone is "fatally flawed," it is Karl Rove. Who cares what he says, anyway; he's out. He and Mush Limbo deserve each other.

"Hillary haters make me sick. Republicans make me even sicker! This country never had it so good as when Bill Clinton was president! After six and a half years of rotten Bush and Company destroying this country and everthing it stands for I would welcome another Clinton in the White House!"

We completely agree with you Susan. You are sick.

This is precisely why anyone who really cares about not letting republicans keep the whitehouse for another four years shouldn't vote for hillary… take it from someone who lives in the heart of one of the most republican counties in Iowa; there is so much knee-jerk and irrational hatred towards her that she cannot win a general election. If democrats want to win the next election, we need to offer America anyone but Hillary

So the "other Ann Coulter" still won' t shut up.

Hey Chelsea was first daughter, she could be Hill's VP. Apparently experience is all about being related to Bill..

When will you people get it, the world has changed. Electing Hillary will not bring back the prosperity of the 90's. The underveloped nations of the world are starting to wake up to the fact that theyve been collectively "screwed" by the Western nations, and they arent going to take it anymore.

Furthermore, can we have enough of this "Shes a women, and you men hate here bs". There are a lot of women out there who despise her just as much as we men do.

Hey, I know, lets elect Rosie O' Donnell. She's the perfect combination of both..

I am a democrat, I do not work for any of the candidates and I like to think I am open minded. That being said; I simply can not stomach HRC. I will take anyone BUT her! I don't understand why people like JP in Tempe assume that when anything negative is said about Hilary it must have been said by some right wing conspirancy. There are lots of good people out there on both sides of the fence that just know she can not be trusted. Please, give me Obama, Edwards…anyone except Hilary.

Its so outrageous that some of these right wing wacos are blaming Hillary on her campaign speeches. Hillary in her speech has blamed Bush's policies (not Bush personally)and to those hopefuls who still support him. Look at Bush's records: 1)Erasing Clinton's surplus 2)Attacking a sovereign country unilaterally who never attcked us 3)Falsely telling american people that Saddam has a link to 9/11 4)Spending 1 trillion taxpayers money on endless war which benefitted comapnies like Exxon, Haliburton (Cheney connection) 5)disregard constitution 6)illegal wiretapping 7)mismanagement in Katrina like disasters 8)politicizing justice dept. by appointing lawyers from 3rd grade schools 9)using executive priviledge to pardon Libby (who exposed CIA operatives)in order to protect Cheney and Rove 10)making a big mess in health care which is benefitting insurance and pharmaceutical cos. big (seniors still buy from Canada)11)allowing power companies to pollute by saying that global warming is hoax 12)non funding stem cell research on the pretext of religion and faith while not caring for thousand innocents who die on this useless war 13) creating fear amongst americans in the name of terror and on and on…….
Can these idiots come up with one achievement of Bush's 7 years in power? Hillary has atleast tried to bring in universal care for all the americans, but these wacos haunted her all along. Yes Clinton lied under oath! But, that is to protect his family from personal ebarassment. But, this administration has lied to american people and literally squandered trillions of taxpayers money, and precious lives. If that money had spent on american people, there would not be 42 million uninsured, and millions of homeless due to Katrina like disasters. If you don't admit that these policies were wrong, go ahead and rubber stamp another republican who still supports Bush's policies.

Anything coming from Rove, Cheney, Bush, Delay, etc. is obviously not worth repeating. Crooks, liars, and thieves.

Karl Rove helped steer the country into the crapper as George Bush's 'brain '. His comments reflect his failure to help lead the country. Our nation needs a President with a brain of her own. And she is brilliant.

"I am a little surprised she jumped out there and made such an accusation when she has a record so spotty and poor on health care issues," he said.

What is in this sentence that is not true to you Clintonista's?

I am no fan of Rove at all, but he is speaking the truth.

She DID vote AGAINST giving a tax break to people paying for their own healthcare.

She DID vote AGAINST people being able to take more control over their lives as it relate to SS and healthcare.

Tired of hearing how strong a "woman" she is, strong women don't cry when someone answers back their taunts.

Strong women don't say "I am your girl".

Strong womem don't put up with a husband who cheats not once but MULTIPLE times that we KNOW of.

I would respect her more if on the floor of the Senate when she got elected she called him out and said on the spot "I want a divorce" and flipped him off in front of the world.

Weak is the way to describe her as she stayed with him in a loveless marriage just to use him for political expedience. Period.

She will not be the next President as much as CNN would like that to be.

These 2 tickers have been front and center today as it appears that she is taking on the "vast right-wing conpiracy", how good of a job did CNN do when she was in front of the AFL-CIO lying about jobs leaving when it was her and Billy boy who enacted NAFTA and that is causing good jobs for lower and middle class workers to GO AWAY?

Was that the top ticker story for 2 DAYS. Nah, don't think so.

Go Biden, he has the most experience and is the best candidate for the Dems.

Well when she was First Lady she tried to get some form of health carre going and again she was fought at every turn by these treasonous cowards. Now all of a sudden the deserting coward and the draft dodger are thinking about health care. I wonder how they expect to make kick backs on this. They sure make enough from the drug companies since they sold the medicare system to them and seniors have to pay more for their drugs. These traitors actually lobbied to stop the government from being able to buy drugs like the VA does and the VA save tremndous amounts of money.

Don't Shhhhh me! It is not like the Democrats ever listen to any good advice any way.

The republicans are salivating at the idea that Clinton will be the nominee. I wonder what kind of sleaze they will bring out against her and of course the media will aid in that area. And if she wins we will have 4 more years of devisive politics because the far right can't leave it alone .

I think we would all be better off if both parties pick less devisive canidates. That means that the republicans will have to let go of Guilliani; he is just as devisive. He would mean a continuation of the last 7 years.

Hillary haters make me sick. Republicans make me even sicker! This country never had it so good as when Bill Clinton was president! After six and a half years of rotten Bush and Company destroying this country and everthing it stands for I would welcome another Clinton in the White House!
If ever there was a "fatally flawed"
candidate it was Bush!
What a joke it is to say that you don't trust Hillary! Look who's talking! You fool Republicans trusted Bush! What does that say!
As I recall, Hillary tried to get universal Health care through but the idiot Republcans,along with the pharmacy lobby, had a hissy-fit and destroyed it!!
If Hillary gets the Democratic nomination I will support her 100%
But then I will support any Democrat over the lousy Republicans!

If she is so hated, bad and useless how come she leads in all polls?

-Name recognition….it's all branding this will change the more she is splattered on the tv set make unsubstantiated claims and continues to not reveal her plans for the presidency…other than 'fighting' conservatives and being our 'girl'…Mrs.Clinton how do you plan to bring this country together-Dems & Repubs? Answer that then maybe we can take you seriously.

Makes me want to change and vote for Hillary. Rove has zero credibility.

This doesn't matter anyway. Cheney already has a plan to postpone the election under martial law (war with Iran) and not relinquish power in January 2009. 4 more years of Cheney/Bush!!!

Enough of bashing the Bush White House. I voted for him twice and I am now an unhappy conservative with the Bush group and the Congress. Please, to all Dems in the race, tell me why I want to cross over, and stop beating the dead horse, he's gone Jan '9 anyway.

We Republicans just HOPE Clinton wins her party's nomination!

yes, Senator Clinton is fatally flawed, but so is Mr. Rove and most of the Bush/Cheney organization. They have ALL failed We The People.
There are not any candidates currently running or publicly contemplating a run, who care at all about the people of The Untied States of America.

These blogs are interesting in that I think they generate more responses from political hacks working on campaigns than they do actual Americans.

Phil Singer, a Clinton spokesman, brushed aside Rove's critique of her favorability numbers, saying, "It sounds like Karl Rove is writing Sen. Obama's talking points."

-Cheap shotx10 here folks…she may be right in respects to the neo-con uncaring attitude towards the middle-class, but she has lost all respect from me in that Sen. Obama has never asseted that Clinton was unfavorable or unelectable, but explicitly referred to her as 'Bush-Cheney-Lite'…which these types of smear campaigns grossly reflect….

CARL WHO? BLA BLA BLAH….

Good Riddance, climb back under the rock in Texas you climb out from under…

JOHN EDWARDS?
:)…

…you mean ELIZABETH EDWARDS, right?

Hmmm…if Clinton is such a loser, I wonder why Carl Rove even bothers to mention her?

I dont like Rove but if he sees Hilary as not winning the white house I got to believe it cause he is defenitely going to be involved in the 08 race.

I just dont think she will win, I know too many that just dont want to vote for her or are only doing it to keep the GOP out.

I dont think there is a difference between her and the current boss.

GOP so scared of Hillary….

like in star wars

"it is your destiny"

Hillary is your destiny….

if the GOP had anyone able to beat Hillary, anyone with the strengh and experience the Senator from New York brings we would not have to go thru this but all the candidates in the GOP could not make one that will stand and reach Mrs. Clinton ancles.

You know what I'd like to know? How many of you people who are writing these comments actually work for the RNC or a Republican Candidate? You sure have their talking points down!

Rove is an underhanded, sneaky and terribly disgusting person, void of all moral character. Look at what he did to John McCain in the 2000 election? And now, McCain -who would make a decent president- is STILL dealing with the consequences of 2000's nightmare. The fact that Rove was able to buy…I mean…GET GWBush elected is an amazing feat and he should be commended – very much like Houdini was commended for his "smoke and mirror" tactics.

Finally, if Hillary were a man…you all would be offering nothing but praise and adoration. But, because she's a woman…you all fear her.

Hillary Clinton has already admitted she is bought and paid for. She refuses to do away with money from PACS and special interest groups.

This person is bought, paid for, and already stamped "MINE" by way too many special interest groups.

NO THANKS! Not another incompetent Clinton in the WH.

What does Karl mean when he says Hillary is "fatally flawed?" That sounds like a threat against her resolved by a fatal act. I hope the Secret Service interviews him and asks him why he threatened the presidential candidates life.

As a life-long Democrat, I can't understand why Senator Clinton has already been annointed as the 2008 nominee. Karl Rove is right,she CAN NOT win in the general election and Obama talks the talk, but he can't walk the walk. I keep wondering why the Democrats can't figure out that John Edwards is the best candidate to win in the general election.

John Edwards is by far the most electable of any of the Democratic candidates. In two recent Rasmussen Reports, John Edwards was head and shoulders above all the other Democrats in head-to-head match-ups against all the Republican contenders. His working class message, integrity, and bold policies have broad appeal with both Democrats and Republicans. He will win the nomination.

The audacity of this man to critique!!
His "Agenda" has crippled this country. His "Ideas" whispered into the ear of a gullible and simple political puppet have mired this nation in a conflict that has cost almost 4000 American Patriots their lives.
When he steps forward and takes responsibility he will have the right to critique but until then he should keep his opinions to himself and spend a little more time in self reflection.
His "Architecture of Destruction" has poisoned the United States and it will take decades to recover from this debacle.

The numbers don't lie – Hillary is polarizing. Yet many reliable studies show it's her strong woman image that makes her intolerable to most of redneck America. She wouldn't have nearly this many negative comments as a man. I'd rather have a strong, experienced woman who IS ready to change the world's perception of America for the better and for the better of it's citizens.

My vote is for Hillary.

Rove is a has been. Who cares what he thinks? Another of W's former buddies jumping ship.

Wow!

Phil Singer, a Clinton spokesman, brushed aside Rove's critique of her favorability numbers, saying, "It sounds like Karl Rove is writing Sen. Obama's talking points."

What a cheap shot from a cheap and slimmy campaign.
Obama 08!

No matter what haters say.No matter what the so called pundits do,Hilary Rodham clinton is the most competent and capable hand as the C-I-C of the Armed Forces Of the United States Of America.If she is so hated, bad and useless how come she leads in all polls?She is not only strong but decisive and smarter than most of the men running.Enough of bad mouthing.Sometimes it takes a woman to do the right job.Win Hilary win!!

Dems will run to defend Hillary because Rove said she was fatally flawed.

Funny – because there is article on CNN about how DEMOCRATS worrying that she will hurt the party.

When people stop being partisan – and start being HONEST, most will admit Hillary (while popular with Bill Clinton fans) has the highest negative ratings, motivates the republican base, and will split the Independents and moderate Democrats.

But until people start being honest – we'll continue to hear how great Hillary is and how evil Rove is.

Sen Clinton will win the Whitehouse if her only competition tomorrow is what she is facing today, whether Republican or Democrat. She is smart, all american and tough. There is only one person who can beat her and that is Collin Powell

Karl…shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh please! Don't wake up the Democrats to that fact.

We just can't get rid of Karl Rove, the Pillsbury Dough boy and erstwhile Bush brain. Sour grapes Karl-go clear brush on George's ranch. Good riddance. I regret that you are upset about Hillary, a quality candidate.

I just can't beleive people are still willing to defend bush and his administration. All he has done is reinitiate Nazi terror control over the american people with anti-civil liberty legislation and fear mongering. The world will be a better place with someone who cannot be bought in the white house. I think Hillary is that person. If not, we're all screwed.

Mrs clinton says our President doesn't care about health care for the Amercian people, well she was in the white house with Mr Clinton for 8 years and worked on health care and did what, nothing , she failed there and she thinks she can do it if she is President God for bid, she can't blame the President then if she is in office cause it would be her to try and do what she couldn't do in 8 years.

Hillary's completely out of touch with what the AMerican public want or need. Her record is proof positive. She's an opportunist with no real talents just a lot of cash. I don't think that's what REAL Americans are looking for…she will be found out soon enough.

We don't need another Bush or Clinton in office for a loooonnnnngggg time!

Re: Neill C. : August 15, 2007 3:36 pm

did you see the verbiage on that bill? Why not pay that money to the ins instead of the tax break?

Aflac runs the health care systems of countries in the world. GOP think when u talk of universal health care u mean socialized medicine…..

Don't blame them. I blame the Dems that can explain themselves….what a shame….

A quick scan of this blog certainly proves Hillary IS a divisive personality.

These posts reveal she is either the second coming or satan herself.

Do we need more of that in our national discourse?

What a shameless, cheap and false thing for Senator Clinton's spokesman to say!

Barack Obama has clearly stated in the past that he respects the Clintons and that he thinks she can win if she is the nominee.

Karl Rove makes a comment, and instead of attacking Rove himself, Senator Clinton's spokesman somehow tries to tie Obama into the whole thing.

If the Clinton campaign is really so confident that they are going to win the nomination, you'd think they would take the high road. They're nervous, though, and willing to do or say anything it takes to win, apparently.

Karl Rove should be Hillary's Vice President. How come Politicians never really do anything smart.

This is the same moron that politically ran the current administration into the ground and created this extremely partisan environment in Washington? And he has the gall to claim foresight into who can or cannot win the presidency?

Go back to planning your dove hunting trip with Dick. The people will decide this election. Not the Supreme Court.

Not a big surprise that Rove would divert Ms. Clinton's accusations with one of his own rather than address the validity of the charge. The current administration has long simply tried to smokescreen the public rather than answer any tough questions put to it. Regardless of which party wins in 08, it's nice to know that the levels of accountability and forthcoming from the Executive will be higher since they are at an all time low currently.

The only fatally flawed candidates I see are mostly on the Republican side. For the GOP we have a bunch of Ronald Reagan and George Bush wannabees. Rove has a lot of nerve talking about Hillary's flaws. Maybe he needs to take care of his own legal problems.

Hillary's negative ratings have not started to improve by ANYONE'S polling. See all the stories just this week on CNN and all of the other media outlets (media outlets that are certainly not anti-Clinton I might add).

The fact is that her negative ratings will only go higher the more people see her.

People just don't like her, nor do they trust her to lead this country.

Honesty & likeability are character traits that are absolutely necessary in a campaign of this magnitude. One might get by with lower numbers in one of these categories but NO ONE will win with extremely high negative ratings on both.

Coming from the sleaziest Pol in the history of this country, Rove's comments are a reminder about how badly we need to get rid of Bush and his entire crime family.

Fatally Flawed = Hillary Clinton

* FBI files of her rivals found in her private office
* Fired Travel Office staff to hire her "friends"
* Failed healthcare initiative
* Anger Management Issues

Maybe Howard Dean could give her a few tips about campaigning? When it comes to Hillary I think Mrs Regan had it right, "Just Say No".

If Clinton wins the Democratic nomination. Republicans win the elect either way because hillary IS "Bush lite". No matter how you define the word is.

She voted against giving a tax break to people paying for their own healthcare. She voted against people being able to take more control over their lives as it relate to SS and healthcare.

Sounds like the American public is invisible to her.

I'ld bet that if the Clinton campaign had enough money to hire Rove, he'ld accept, and run her campaign into the White House. After all, he was successful in getting a failed business man, Yale C-average, barely two-termer former Texas governor into the White House. And like a typical republican, he'ld do it for the right price.