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I'm still waiting for you to post my response to the multiple posts directed to me from Grant Edwards.

I love it that CNN is so objective. If Fleiss had been backing Guliani, the wisecracks would be throughout the article. CNN is going the way of,... well, CNN!

CNN's salacious non-news article attempting to associate Clinton with sleazy individuals gives right wingers permission to dump sarcasm, invective, and mean-spirited sanctimony on her. It may backfire and actually help her campaign, because the Right has worn out its cause with a perpetually sneering tone that makes it look like a group of insubstantial, prudish, sex-obsessed busybodies. Gravitas is what this election is all about, not hatred.

Vince, Phoenix AZ

You asked, "Please reference where President Clinton was convicted of perjury. I, on the other hand, can show you where he was ACQUITTED in a Senate trial run by Republicans."

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President Clinton was "charged" with Perjury and Obstruction of Justice in the House of Representatives. He was impeached by the House and his case sent to the Senate for Trial. Yes, the senate did not move to convict the President although I would provide the following excerpt from Wikipedia regarding Mr Clinton,

"In April 1999, Judge Wright found President Clinton in civil contempt of court for misleading testimony in the Jones case. She ordered Clinton to pay Jones $91,000 for the expenses incurred as the result of Clinton's evasive and misleading answers. [4] Wright then referred Clinton's conduct to the Arkansas Bar for disciplinary action, and on January 19, 2001, the day before President Clinton left the White House, Clinton entered into an agreement with the Arkansas Bar and Independent Counsel Robert Ray under which Clinton consented to a five-year suspension of his law license."

Does that make you feel better?

I wonder why my comments asking if anyone has asked Mark Foley, Ted Haggarty, and Jeff Gannon who they support, keeps getting pulled from this thread?

Dear Grant, in LA. There is absolutely Kool Aide being consumed here, but it seems yours is actually spiked, to boot. Please reference where President Clinton was convicted of perjury. I, on the other hand, can show you where he was ACQUITTED in a Senate trial run by Republicans.

This is nothing more than cheap political assassination by CNN. Nobody cares, especially Hillary, who Fleiss supports.

To call it an endorsement makes it appear that Clinton wanted Fleiss's support. This looks like another GOP job to me. Nice try CNN.

Why should Hillary be criticized over something she has no control over – other people's opinions of her.

And Ted Bundy endorsed Republicans, so what?

Three Things to Ponder:
1. Cows
2. The Constitution
3. The Ten Commandments

Cows
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that our government can
track a single cow born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the
stall
where she sleeps in the state of Washington ? And they tracked her calves to
their stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens
wandering around our country. Maybe we should give each of them a cow.

The Constitution
They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq . Why don't we
just
give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it has worked
for over 200 years, and we're not using it anymore.

The Ten Commandments
The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a
courthouse is this: You cannot post "Thou Shalt Not Steal," Thou Shalt Not
Commit Adultery", and "Thou Shall Not Lie" in a building full of lawyers,
judges and politicians. It creates a hostile work environment.

Hmmm, not really newsworthy. However, a few points- while Heidi Fleiss participated in criminal activity, she's paid her dues. Let's forgive and forget. She's a human being like the rest of us, and her political opinion means no more, OR NO LESS, than anyone else's. And finally, it is no reflection on Hillary Clinton, good or bad, that a former madam supports her candidacy- it's just another person's opinion. But there sure are alot of people rooting for Ms. Clinton, aren't there? GO HILLARY!

This is not news. It's tabloid journalism– what Jon Stewart called the shiny stuff over here that distracts us from seeing the real story over there. Shouldn't we be more concerned with where politicians stand on the issues than on which nitwits support them?

Wow. Just look at the Rovian character assasination going on here. I know that HP is the enclave of the brainless Obama bunch, but this is a new low for Huffington Post.

@ John Chicago.

Wrong indeed. Oprah may be richer than Hillary but to say she is more powerful is far-fetched and a whole different thing. Without television Oprah with her rehetorics would be no more than Don Immus. Oprah wants to influence American politics with her money knowing that she herself can not win any political position except by nuying people out. What public service experience does Oprah have? The book-club? Oprah school for girls-turned prison in South Africa. Even that was beginning to fail because parents in S.Africa started to complain that the school is more of a prison for their daughters because of the Convent-style restrictions on their visits and freedom for their daughters to lead a normal life. Long before Mandela was released, Oprah was already rich and there were a number of needy peacefull countries in Africa to establish this school. The first reason she decided to build in South Africa is to please Mandela. The second reason is that Black Americans will always have high affinity to countries known for White presence. Ask any Black American which part of Africa they would want to visit and they will say South Africa because there are White people there. All these while the forget that South Africa has the highest Crime rates in the world.

To Steve – Peoria, IL & John – Chicago.

There are many qualifiers to be a "high-profile" person. One does not need academic credentials to be "high-profile". There are two ways to become high-profile: 1-doing the right things (Mandela, Bill Clinton, Angelina Jolie, Oprah, the Pope, etc), 2-doing the wrong things (Manson, OJ, G.W. Bush, Bin Laden, Hitler, etc, Heidi Fleiss). These are all high-profiles because they made their names known and their impact felt across the world. Being high-profile is simply about impact: good or bad. Each has a global amount of supporters willing to endorse them irrespective of what they did or what line of business they are in.

Oh no! The Billary supporters are upset that the Fleiss endorsement put Billary in a bad light.

Like it really matters.

In the end she will lose because the majority of Americans will not embrace her socialist (or is it progressive?) beliefs. It won't matter which pimp or porn star supports her.

Please, keep the "this is not news" comments coming. I would like you all to wallow in these comments. Really.

Now imagine for a moment that this was a story of how Kenneth Lay endorsed a Republican candidate. How many of you would be so quick to say "this is not news"–or would you rather rant about how this is "typical" and that the GOP is in the "back pocket" of big business?

So, pick your poison. Either endorsements like Kenneth Lay mean the Republicans support corrupt business AND endorsements from Heidi Fleiss mean the Democrats support immorality and reckless sexuality.

OR NEITHER endorsement is newsworthy.

Think long and hard about that.

Are you kidding? How do you still puport yourself to be a serious news forum?!

Now I know where Karl Rove went. He's working for CNN. You folks have lost a lot credibility to a lot of people.
You're suppose to represent unfiltered, unbias news. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Dear Rick in Chicago,

William Jefferson Clinton (SLICK WILLY) was convicted of PERJURY. Anyone else would be in jail for such a CRIME!!!

It is apparent that you are a non-stop KOOL AID Drinker from ALL of your inaccurate statements in your BLOG message. The American people are SICK and TIRED of the Clinton's. Going thtough 8 years of Scandals was too much.

Hillary will NOT WIN in 2008 if the Democrats are dumb enough to nominate her. Rudy will WIN the 2008 Presidential Election. GOT IT????

Dear Rick in Chicago,

William Jefferson Clinton (SLICK WILLY) was convicted of PERJURY. He LIED under oath in a Sexual Harrassment lawsuit. Anyone else would be in jail for such a crime.

It is apparent that you are a non-stop KOOL AID Drinker. All of your statements are nothing but inaccurate statements or outright LIES!!!! The American people are SICK & TIRED of the Clinton's!!!! I hate to BURST your little bubble BUT Hillary will NOT WIN in 2008 if the Democrats are dumb enough to nominate her.

Now go drink another TALL glass of KOOL AID!!!!!

Hey Karl, I have a newsflash for ya.
It's not Clinton Americans and the World have made unchanging negative opinions about – It's You Karl.
And regardless of how you choose to spin it – It'll still be You Karl.

This news bite seems to have has all the makings of a Karl Rove at it again type of story.

First we see the mournful faces of Bush and Rove making headlines with the crock story about needing more family time. Two days later Rove is all over Hillary Clinton like a dog with a bone! What's with that?

I think the Republicans call it strategy? OH, No Republicans don't have any of that. Oh Maybe that's what they call actionable intelligence? OH no, Republicans don't have any of that either. Oh it must be what they refer to as actionable interference? Yes, Yes, that must be it!

Makes sense I guess. As they know it's impossible that a another Republican of any make or model will ever see the White House so this must be their stab at damage control.

CNN –

Is there any chance you’ll actually listen to your audience and stop featuring this drivel? Put this worthless fluff in the AM wrap-up if you must. But give us something of substance to argue about in the main stories. Posters from all ideologies are pleading with you. We wouldn’t be on this site if we weren’t seriously interested in the future of the nation. If we want porn I believe it’s still available elsewhere on the web.

Prostitutes and pornographers lining up to support Hillary. I can't wait to see that TV commercial.

The neo-cons on here are having a field day with this article...wow

@wag

was there severity there in my comments? i think no. i see no problem in calling a prostitue a whore. i think websters would probably back that one up. as far as heidi fleiss being a business owner. i'll simply say that is not a real business and leave it at that, so your comment is merely comical and sad; attempting to compare someone who sells sex (pathetic) to one of the worlds most powerful minorities that actually has a brain (oprah). I've had a female boss but do not understand any connection with the power ladder. heidi fleiss is a nobody, and even worse, a nobody with terrible things surrounding here, and i think it is just funny coincidence that she backs the loon in the pantsuit.

Hilary is NOT QUALIFIED for the job. all she has done is prance around the world as the first lady sipping tea and attempting to implement a failed health care program from 12 years ago. What experience edge does she REALLY have over Obama? on top of that question, ill urge you to ignore it, because anyone who isnt incoherent to reality would notice that our top governement officials CURRENTLY IN OFFICE were the most highly qualified in the last election, and all that prooved to me is that they have the most experience totally screwing up a country in the world. The experience you speak of is the most insignificant topic her pathetic campaign has posed in threat response to Obama. Experience has gotten us into our current situation, which i urge you to realize is absolutely dire.

@bea in hoboken

there is nothing sexist about my comments. i call a kettle black if it is. merely making an observation. also drawing a connection to unsavory individuals and the CLINTON FAMILY. yes yes, anyone with an IQ over 60 is easily able to do about 5 minutes of research on google and could find, should they admit that america is actually in a bad bad way right now, numerous, and im talking over 20 connections to the clinton family's previous business partners or otherwise mysteriously dissappearing or dying at rediculously convienient times for the clinton administration. call me a conspiracy nut if you will, you would back hilary regardless i assume, which is the dumbest thing one could ever do a YEAR before an election. i'm sorry your school lacked on teaching the understanding of context, but i would go back and try a little harder.

really peeps, the point was simple, Maddox has their head in the sand. no one else needed reply to my message. but since you have, this is the response. if you read the context, the point simply was that oprah, a high profile backer, held a little more gravitas that does the prostitute mentioned above. as far as your deriding sexist sentiment out of that is your own doing. maybe read a few less butch books and buy a razor for those legs. unless you can show me heidi is more powerful than oprah? maybe you can show how her endorsement of hilary is more beneficial than Oprah's endorsement of Obama? personally, i think it bodes much better for Obama to have credible people backing his campaign. thats just me though, i like to work for a living, pay my taxes, and generally avoid scummy behavior. i know america is totally indiferent to indecency anymore, so i would expect you to understand anyways.

now if you'll excuse me, imabout to pitch a tent here, so ima head down to the corner and take care of that for a sawbuck.

IF you are a woman and IF you are smart you will like Hillary. Nice. All you smart women like Heidi and Jenna should be proud.

wow all you neo-conservative hacks are having a field day with this one!

This is an outrageous article for CNN to post. I used to have a lot of respect for CNN but this is nonsense. OK, now let's all go find a controversial figure that supports each of the other candidates and report that. I will vote for Obama, but CNN ought at least aspire to being "fair and balanced".

Why is it that the media covers which candidates celebrities are supporting? (CNN is not the only guilty party to this) They have only one vote, just like the average American, and I don't think that they have any swaying power among the undecided. Why not ask the average American who they support and why, as this is more likely to affect the electorate.

Covering celebrities' preferences is a waste of time, energy, and space, and when the media realizes this, everyone will be much better off.

It doesn't matter if a maddam or saint like Senator Clinton. She has no cntrol over who likes or dislikes her. Get to know her and see why she is the front runner on her way to becommig the firt woman president.
Much to do about nothing.

Some comments make this a question of 'credentials', others of 'newsworthiness'.

Your Supreme Court would make it a question of First Amendment protection of political speech. Thanks heaven for the latter. It is a freedom that most of the rest of the world does not have. And that, in my opinion makes it newsworthy enough.

Oh well if the "Hollywood Madam" is endorsing Hillary, then I should too.

Why is this headline news, CNN? If I were Hillary, I would hide my head in the sand in embarassment.

Can Heidi Fleiss even vote? I thought felons were not allowed to vote.

Obviously CNN knows this would spark debates, anger and division... we are are asked every 4 years to elect the person that will lead this nation, with all due respect to these Maddam's, they are not perticipating in the process as players, they are like any one of us "spectators" their opinions should only matter to them. we choose to give them a platform and make them more than what they are... if you like Hillary, this news does nothing for you, but if you don't like Hillary this gives you another excuse to prolong your hate. how is that serve anyone's constitutional duties? how did we go from a respectful society to one full of hate and division. support your candidate of choice for their qualities, not their slogans. I would be more impress with knowing who Warren Buffet will support than any of these two, but it is because he is considered a player, I am more interested in a Governor's support for a candidate because they are in positions of leadership, heck compare to these two I'm more interested whom my mother will support as a candidate.

Who is Britney Spears endorsing?

A few thoughts...
1) who cares (Answer: anyone who can use this to their political advangage)
2) Who actually took the time to look her up and ask her who she supports? Answer: you KNOW it wasn't Clinton's people
3) Let's face it, the Bill Clinton jokes write themselves here, but those throwing stones a mile per minute should ask themselves who is Mark Foley supporting, who is Ted Haggarty supporting, and geez how can we forget Whitehouse "correspondent" (aka hotmilitarystud.com) owner Jeff Gannon. Wonder who HE is "supporting"? But the point is, this is a non story, and whomever they support, is their right to support.

Lighten up about Clinton and Bin Laden it was the CIA under the REPUBLICANS that trained him and put him in business!

Why not support Hillary? They probably all slept with the same guy anyway...

Hey IT TAKES A VILLAGE and what is a village without the OLDEST PROFESSION?
Everything depends upon Connections!
To paraphrase...."Let those who have never been to Las Vagas throw the first stone!"

Two good reasons NOT to vote for Hillary!

I'll echo many other commenters: WHO CARES? It's not like these so-called celebrities are really THAT high profile (most people outside of DC and Hollywood probably don't know or, for that matter, care who they are to begin with). They have all the right in the world to endorse Hillary, and she can either accept the endorsements or not. As for all those Hillary bashers out there who immediately connected this with her husband's extramarital dalliances in the past, congratulations on your keen wit and scintillating originality!

Obviously, Heidi & Jenna have a new flick coming out & are using the candidates as free publicity. I wonder if the proceeds from the venture will go to support Hillary into the White House!!

"You mean like Oprah Winfrey? I know that Hillary thinks women should use sex to get what they want, which is obviously why she loves prostitute heidi fleiss"

Hey John, what the heck is that supposed to mean??? Of all the sexist comments......

John, Your comment on Oprah vs. Madams is a bit severe dont you think? They are both business owners in the US... Come on ,have you ever had a female boss? I'm a male and most of my best bosses have been females! Hillary is totally qualified for the job... Edwards might have decent credentials too. Are you just here to add noise?

Well now I'm really not going to vote for Hillary now.

What next? Publish what Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan think? CNN, please... for Pete's sake, would you print something worthy of reading? Good grief. Porn Star endorsements??? Awesome; thanks for the wisdom. You forgot to inform us which candidate Michael Vick's is backing...

Wonderful, this should help her lose more than ever! A couple of idiots to add to the idiots that already support her!

Why is this headline news that a pimp and a porn star are supporting a presidential candidate? Why are such extreme and completely irrelevant people's political views being reported on? I hope that when the scum of society begin to endorse republican candidates, CNN gives them equal airtime.

I for one admire both women with their entrepreneurial skills and think that their support of Hillary is great. . .never thought of myself as a Hillary fan, but now Jenna Jameson . . .perhaps they could do some campaigning together!
And to the previous posters: lighten up already. I'd rather read about stuff like this than some idiot Republican dancing his way around what to do about the Iraq fiasco

Well Heidi, I'm a woman and a pretty smart one and Hilary is way down the list of women I respect. Maybe Jenna and Heidi can campain with Hilary...

Fitting for a woman who's political career began at a private fundraiser held at an Illinois strip club.

What it comes down to is, who actually cares. And the fact that the media seems to care more about what 'celebrities' are endorsing the candidates than what we, the normal, everyday American voters have to say is a shame.

But I did get a chuckle.

@ MADDOX

"Question: What would Edwards and Obama do with such high-profile endorsements?"

You mean like Oprah Winfrey? I know that Hilary thinks women should use sex to get what they want, which is obviously why she loves prostitute heidi fleiss, but something tells me that Oprah MAY just MAYBE a little more powerful than Lil Miss Tramps-a-lot. So to answer your question, with high profile endorsements like oprah, he hasnt changes his tune one bit, and has merely continued to be the best candidate for the job. oprah agrees, and she may just be more powerful than Hilary clinton anyways. im sorry, what was your point again? you support prostitution of the white house?

At first glance, I thought this is an old news, and then I realized what I remember was the endorsement of the "DC Madam", not the "Hollywood Madam."

Well, Don King endorsed GW Bush, so I guess these are small cases. Let's face it. I had never heard of Heidi Fleiss or Deborah Palfrey until this year, but I have known Don King for years.

Perhaps you could do a survey of all high profile criminals and the candidates that they support. You should be ashamed. This is just wrong.

Bill Clinton- Terrible husband, Great President.

Would I want to be married to him- of course not.
Would I vote for him again if I could?- HELL YES

When you think back to the Clinton years how was your life any worse than it is now? hhhmmm it really wasn't.

Is CNN trying to be as tasteless as Fox? Whatever happened to good old fashioned politicking integrity? Probably when MSM's were more interested in politics than making a buck.

Just a side note to Fran and Simone: the blaming points are really really REALLY old! Now go watch the other news station like the sheep that you are. You really need to come up with more original comebacks. Lord help you if you were comedians.

J, Seattle, WA ... "Bill comes back to Washington DC her revenue goes up 50%".

Sure ... and especially since all you conservative, family values, "sanctity of marriage" types would probably start paying her for her services too.

Right?

And get away with PAYING A PROSTITUTE FOR SEXUAL SERVICES too, since both their wives (who previously said they would Bobicize their husbands) and the Lord forgave them.

Right?

Can I morally and legally get away with stuff like that if I'm a conservative republican too?

Just wondering!

All of you Clinton/CNN bashers crack me up! Don't you see you're all just falling right into the hands of CNN? The reason there are so many stories on Clinton is because they get the most hits by all of you. It's good for business. I dare CNN to post this!

Monica...where are you? Hillary desperately needs your support!!!!

what a joke story. american journalism is pathetic these days and cnn is part of the problem. loser-reporting...get real and write real stories, please

How appropriate that the Clinton legacy includes the endorsement of someone who runs a prostitution ring.

Why is this news? Why does her opinion matter? Is CNN actually paying people to write this stuff? What a fluff piece.

Bill Clinton authorized the use of any means necessary to take out Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. The various departments are the ones who screwed it up.

The Justice Department refused to accept Bin Laden when the Sudanese tried to give him to us because 'they did not have enough evidence to charge him with anything' or something to that effect.

Head officials of the CIA reprimanded and flipped out on any of their field agents providing intel that would of resulted in the death of Bin Laden.

Maybe you should learn your history before you spout your nonsense. Beauracracy is what has kept Bin Laden alive, and will continue to do so for years to come.

Yes.... exceptionally PRECIOUS!

Republicans are always criticized for receiving support from religious groups.

Here we have Hillary, the front-running Democrat, supported by a hooker and a porn star.

Just something to think about.

It's a sad day when we start considering this article to be a story from a major news organization.

Shame on the news industry for running this. We are being less than dumbed down. We are becoming ridiculous.

Shame on CNN for making this news. Who cares about Heidi? She has no place in politics.

GO HILLARY!!!

Why is this news? Let's be a little more selective in what we report please.

who care, what does that have to do with news or politics? Haven't we learned enough about poor family values from the Clinton era prior to not revisit again?

Is this what passes for news at CNN now? In a political and governmental landscape that currently could best be described as a wasteland and with a body of presidential hopefuls in both parties who all come with humongous question marks next to their names, one would think that CNN or any 'news' agency would come up with more important and pertinent stories than who Heidi Fleiss backs as a candidate.
CNN should be ashamed for even considering putting this non-story on their website, but, more importantly, they should be ashamed for becoming just another 'non-news' agency that reports 'non-news' that just falls into their laps as opposed to actually working to seek out the information unknown to the public that will truly help the voters make a well-informed decision come November 2008.

PRECIOUS

to "Maddox" –

Heidi Fleiss is a high-profile endorsement ?! What're her credentials ?

What does it mean when Heidi Fleiss give you her endorsement? Just something to ponder.

Politics aside of their steammy businesses, these women's support should be accepted by Clinton.

Question: What would Edwards and Obama do with such high-profile endorsements?

Hmm wonder if either the DC or Hollywood Madams had Billy Boy as a client...

This reminds me of a joke that is not in the need of a punch line.

Heidi Fleiss, Larry Flynt... Hillary only needs Hugh Hefner to pull off a hat-trick!

I can see the Rove-inspired ads of these endorsements blanketed across the heartland. “Girl”-gone-wild “Hillary’s Turn”.

Bill must be proud.

Sure of course she's a big fan of Clinton! If Bill comes back to Washington DC her revenue goes up 50%!

Who's pulling _what_ for Clinton? CNN copyrighters are too clever by half. Hillary, on the other hand, is pulling our legs if she thinks she can win.