August 20, 2007
Posted: 11:11 AM ET

Watch CNN's Suzanne Malveaux report how Rove is defending his White House record.

WASHINGTON (CNN) – White House political adviser Karl Rove denied Sunday he confirmed the identity of ex-CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson for a 2003 newspaper column, but a reporter who testified in the leak probe called that "nonsense."

In comments to two Sunday talk shows, Rove disputed columnist and former CNN host Robert Novak's account of the leak. Novak, who disclosed Mrs. Wilson's identity in a July 2003 column, has said Rove confirmed her identity after another Bush administration official, former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, first told him she worked for the CIA.

Rove told NBC's "Meet the Press" that, when Novak asked him about Mrs. Wilson, he told the columnist, "I've heard that, too." But he insisted that did not mean he had confirmed her identity.

"If a journalist had said to me, 'I'd like you to confirm this,' my answer would have been, 'I can't. I don't know. I've heard that, too,' " he said.

Mrs. Wilson's identity was disclosed shortly after her husband, former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson, challenged one of the claims underpinning the Bush administration's case for the U.S. invasion of Iraq — that Iraq had sought uranium for nuclear weapons from the African country of Niger. Wilson wrote that he had investigated the claim at the request of CIA officials and found it "highly doubtful" that any such transaction could have occurred, and he accused the Bush administration of having "twisted" the evidence for war.

Rove is leaving office at month's end after more than a dozen years as President Bush's top political adviser. He made multiple appearances before the grand jury that investigated Wilson's exposure, but was never charged with a crime in the leak; neither was Armitage, who also cooperated with the special prosecutor who led the probe.

But former Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper, who testified about his conversations with Rove in the grand jury probe, said Rove's account was "dissembling, to put it charitably."

"To imply that he didn't know about it or that this was all the leak by someone else, or he heard it as some rumor out in the hallway is, is nonsense," Cooper told NBC.

The Wilsons have accused Rove and other Bush administration officials of leaking her identity as a CIA officer in retaliation for her husband's emergence as a critic of the administration. A federal judge in Washington recently dismissed a lawsuit by the couple against Rove, Armitage, Vice President Dick Cheney and Cheney's former chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, who was convicted of obstructing justice and perjury in the probe.

Libby was sentenced to 30 months in prison, but Bush commuted his term before he had served any time.

Rove said Mrs. Wilson was not an appropriate target for political reprisals, but told NBC he did not owe her an apology. And he said, contrary to the former ambassador's public statements, Wilson's report actually bolstered the disputed Iraq-Niger link.

"He brought back information about a previously unknown contact where the Iraqis, working through a third party, attempted to bring and did bring to Niger a trade delegation," Rove said. "And since the only thing Niger had to sell was uranium cake that was on a U.N. sanctions list, they declined to do any business."

After Wilson went public with his findings, then-CIA Director George Tenet said the Niger uranium claim should have been left out of President Bush's 2003 State of the Union speech, delivered on the eve of war. Before the March 2003 invasion, U.N. weapons inspectors dismissed documents containing the claim as "obvious" forgeries.

After the invasion, Iraq was found to have dismantled its weapons programs under U.N. sanctions during the 1990s, though U.S. inspectors found scientists had concealed some weapons-related research from the United Nations.

Filed under: CIA leak trial • Karl Rove


Perry, Columbus, Ohio   December 24th, 2007 12:01 pm ET

Does anybody, and I mean ANYBODY have the nerve to report that Bush is absolutely the worst president that we have had? As the fable goes, everybody has seen the "Emperor's New Clothes", but will you report to his highness that he is naked?

Jeff, Houston, Texas   August 23rd, 2007 3:23 pm ET

Yes Joe, I am quite annoyed that the demopcrats will not take action. I used to fear how your ilk would react to an impeachment, but I see now that we have no other choice if we are to have any hope of keeping this country a democracy and not a religous-based police state.

Yes, I'm annoyed. And I am afraid.

KD. Dallas, TX   August 21st, 2007 8:45 pm ET

Karl Rove lovers should take a look at his history of lies and deceit. A history that runs well into his high school years. He is a pyschological genius, knowing just what, when, and where to say what is needed to influence others. He really can be a very dangerous person if allowed to manipulate as he has through this administration. I read some of these responses and I am so amazed at the different ways people view things. I have a difficult time understanding some of you out there. Lies and deceit and damaging others credentials, career, and life is a very vindictive, mean thing to do. Those that make excuses for this type of behavior simply amaze me. Without knowing how you think, it seems like it's blinders on to get a very narrow perspective of things. Wilson was trying to discount the information Bush was pushing at us to make us believe that we needed to go to war in Iraq. To "shut him up" the Bush administration leaked his wife's name. That could have cost others their life due to their association with Plame. Bush even admitted letting the name out was wrong and he was going to get to the bottom of it…or so he said. Yes, Robert Novak also made the name public. I will never understand what he had to gain with that information. But let's not fool ourselves and think that the information didn't come from the top. Commuting Libby's sentence doesn't means he was found guilty. He was convicted and allowed to escape punishment for his role in this. Why? So that no one would be held accountable. Why isn't Rove sought out, or others? I don't have an easy answer to that, but I am sure there is one. We are all frustrated with our current government, but it really isn't congress that has caused the mess our country is in-except maybe those who voted to give Bush ultimate power to go to war. We are frustrated with congress because they cannot make right, what this administration has so successfully made wrong.

Jon, Sacramento ~ Ca   August 21st, 2007 3:43 pm ET

"Talk is cheap. When do we act?" ~ Jeff, Houston TX

Jeff, back away from the pitchfork! Your hatred for President Bush came through loud and clear - but "emotions" don't qualify as evidence in courts these days. Just because you FEEL like putting someone in jail isn't justification. Sorry if that bursts your bubble.

How about you write your esteemed leaders (Pelosi and Reid) and ask THEM to take some action. Oh wait - Nancy has already conceded that impeachment is off the table.

Your next course of action - vote for Cindy Sheehan. Some how SHE thinks she can impeach President Bush, which is REALLY odd since the election she would be running in (against Nancy) is the one where President Bush's 2nd term ends.

Dogs chasing their tails!

Bruce, Franklin, TN   August 21st, 2007 2:04 pm ET

Lance from Monrovia:

Apparently the only two things you have read recently are the Pallast book and Obama's offerings.

Many of us who are independent thinkers would come to the conclusion that based on your postings, you are either an Obama operative or just plain brainwashed.

My suggestion: don't just read the things that reinforce how you already see the world. And don't buy into all the soundbites, talking points and other drivel from the "mainstream media" or the campaign staffs of the candidates. Look at things from all points of view and question everything.

Like you, I am extremely disappointed in the Bush presidency. The results have been horrible. If the electorate had been smarter, they would have nominated and elected someone with moderate views and lots of experience. Certainly Gore and McCain offered that in 2000.

Demonizing Rove doesn't change the fact that the whole Plame/Wilson fiasco never should have happened in the first place and that partisanship was the basis for his trip as well as for what happened subsequently. The simple truth is that the special prosecutor would have indicted Rove had there been any criminal wrongdoing on his part. Just because you don't like him for being Bush's "brain" or for his tactics in helping win elections, doesn't make him a criminal or a traitor.

Jeff, Houston, Texas   August 21st, 2007 12:14 pm ET

All of this, an amusing conversation. However, it is pointless. Bush would pardon Hitler if given the chance.

Under Bush, we no longer have the rule of law. I wonder if we still have free elections.

All of this rhetoric is entertaining, but when will we, as the citizens of this nation, force something to be done about Bush and his band of mentally disturbed criminals?

Talk is cheap. When do we act?

Im just tired of this banter. Some people need to see some jail time, or better, be brought up on charges of treason.

Frank hartford CT   August 21st, 2007 8:14 am ET

Where is the anger for Joseph Wilson. We know today that he specifically wrote a partisaned article (all lies), withheld information from the article intentionally, then, went around claiming that Dick Cheney sent him. Another lie. Finally, there are specific definitions involved with outing a CIA agent. Mrs. Plame did not meet those citeria, therefore NOBODY can be prosecuted for outing her. Just like I could not be prosecuted for outing an Intern at the CIA. GIve it up, this just makes Democrats look overly partisan and vindictive.

Lance, Monrovia, CA   August 21st, 2007 12:44 am ET

To the person immediately above my post… spinstopper…

Are you high? Valerie Plame went before Congress and said not only was her cover blown, but that perhaps hundreds of people were effected by the leak. The cover company she worked for had operatives all around the world, right in the thick of organizations. This was all totally ruined by this leak.

No law was broken? Many laws were broken. It was treason, plain and simple. I can't see the reason why charges haven't been brought on Rove and Cheney and Bush. These guys have broken so many laws its impossible to keep track of them all. They've trampled the constitution to the point almost of no return.

It's amazing how the OReiley/Limbaugh bots just spout the same crap, without actually looking into it themselves.

If you really, truly think Karl Rove and his ilk is so great, why don't you truly educate yourselves? Read a book called "Armed Madhouse" by Greg Pallast. He details out the REAL reasons the neo cons wanted to go into Iraq and why it's still so messed up there.

For example; Did you know that we're in Iraq not for WMD, not for democracy, not even to take the oil. We're there because Iraq has more oil than the Saudis and Saudi Arabia and certain factions of Bush's administration like the price of oil high. As long as Iraq's oil DOESN'T get out, the world market for oil remains stable and high. That's the bottom line. Keep the oil in Iraq suppressed and all the rich big oil men can keep making their big checks, Bush and Cheney and Rove included.

And what about what Rove has done to democracy in the country. Again, read "Armed Madhouse" by Greg Pallast, go to the library and get it. In New Mexico, Bush won the election by like 5,000 votes. Five times that many votes in Democratic precincts only where thrown out. In primarily Hispanic areas, 3 out of every ten voters that drove an hour to get to out of the way polls voted NONE OF THE ABOVE according to electronic machines. But in white districts, they had more votes for Bush than they had registered voters. Go figure.

Then, of course, there's Karl Rove's missing emails, which happened into Pallast's hands. They're caging lists, to all the RNC big wigs. They used first class letters to send out to soldiers homes that they knew were in Iraq, to primarily minority neighborhoods. Any letter that came back returned, they challenged the vote, to the tune of many, many thousands in a race run by mere votes.

It is more important now more than ever that Rove and his bunch be watched and hopefully prosecuted. It's vital that everyone learn the issues, learn the way they are commiting fraud, and show up at the voting booths. Pay attention, and most of all vote.

If you say your vote doesn't matter, you're doing exactly what Rove wants. You can bet he'll be working for whatever Republican candidate gets the nod.

Pay attention. Read "Armed Madhouse." Then tell me how great Karl Rove is.

Oh and by the way, he's no hack. He's a highly respected BBC reporter from America. His report on the caging lists they got from Rove was the highest rated BBC show all around the globe. Highest ratings in every developed country two weeks before the 04 election.

Did we watch it here? Nope. The media didn't play the report.

Go figure.

Tricia M Charlottetown PEI   August 20th, 2007 11:28 pm ET

Idea:
Lets all vote to make Rove a CIA Agent with a mission in Siberia. Mission: "Investigation, as to whether Siberia's Huskies have been wired to disclose White House conspiracies.
Meantime we send one of our own men in undercover to train Huskies to bite upon sight, all Little Fat Faced Men wearing glasses and smiling.

Independent Voter, TN   August 20th, 2007 9:35 pm ET

So many "experts" on this site.

I suggest that rather than being lazy and accepting soundbites and parroting half truths, you actually do some research on this subject to find out what the facts are. Certainly, Karl Rove is an easy target, but the fact is neither he nor Libby were the source of "the leak." Richard Armitage fessed up to that several months back.

Plame did not fit the CIA's own definition of an active covert agent and thus there was no technical breach of the law by revealing her "identity". That is why Armitage and Novak did not go to jail and that is why the lawsuit was dismissed.

This is all about Dems vs. Repubs and it's nothing more than a pissing contest. All this talk of "treason" is just a lot of flapping lips. Rove's semantics of "I've heard that, too" remind me of Bill's "it depends on your definition of sex" testimony.

Neither party has a monopoly on shortcomings of character. Surely we can all accept the failed presidency of Bush 43 for what it is…bad judgement and stubborness masquerading as resolve. But we have to put it behind us and move forward.

KD, Dallas, TX   August 20th, 2007 8:21 pm ET

After reading these blogs I wonder where some people's heads have been these past six plus years. Valerie Plame and her husband have their own political agenda??? but Bush and his croanies don't? Good grief. Some of you wouldn't know a lie if it hit you in the face…or you will support a failing president to the very bitter end. Hitler's youth!! People who cannot think for themselves. I would like to think our country is a united one, not libs and conservs. We can all view things differently. However, we all really need to be informed so that we don't EVER end up with an administration like this one EVER again. Bush should never have been elected. Rove was very successful at his agenda. PNAC was VERY successful with their agenda…to the point of leaking Plames name to punish them for disagreeing with Bush's desire to go to war with Iraq under completely false accusations…more LIES. This administration is so unbelievably corrupt and people need to wake up. Voting Bush in again just shows how ignorant some people really have been. We all have an opportunity to change the direction our country is heading. Bush is creating a dictatorship…taking power away from the people and the different branches of our government. Rove has bene instrumental in running this government. I am glad to see him go, although, the damage done will take years to recover from.

bill - kansas city, mo   August 20th, 2007 8:15 pm ET

in today's Keepin' them Honest Fact Check- valerie plame was not an undercover agent. there was nothing to "out".

Joan, Burton, OH   August 20th, 2007 7:53 pm ET

How is it that Joe Wilson was selected for this mission?

Because he was/is a specialist on the middle east and Africa. He worked for Bush senior as a diplomat in both locations. He was an ambassador to Iraq and he had connections in Africa.
Why is the British intelligence findings about yellow cake uranium igorned in favor of Wilson's conclusions?

Since when do we take the word or another country over the word of our own officials? Wilson had years of experience under many administrations dealing with both Iraq and Africa.

How is it that a "covert" CIA agent's neighbors know where she worked for years?
None of her neighbors knew what she did other than she worked for the government. They were all shocked to find out she was a CIA agent.

Rather than asking questions that have been answered before, get off your butt and read something besides right-wing talking points. You won't look so ignorant.

Bottom line: Wilson and Plame schemed this whole thing from day one. Wilson has a political agenda and so does Plame. Armitage "leaks" but Libby gets charged. In the meantime, Wilson and Plame get a free pass even though they conspired to to manipulate national intelligence to their political favor.

Posted By Steve, Crete IL : August 20, 2007 1:08 pm

Joan, Burton, OH   August 20th, 2007 7:39 pm ET

If Rove is not lying, he should have been fired for incompetence. How could he NOT know the seriousness of outing a CIA agent.

For those who say Pame or her husband were political hacks: Both these people spent their lives in public service. The likes of Rove and Bush will come and go, the real hope for this country is those who dedicate their lives to working for our government, no matter who is in office.

Myron, Honolulu, HI   August 20th, 2007 6:42 pm ET

NEWS FLASH
Everybody doubts Rove's honesty, well everyone except Bush and Chaney, they rely upon his dishonesty and premeditated lies. ;)

V, King Phoenix AZ   August 20th, 2007 6:39 pm ET

Spinstopper, you are disembling. You are spreading false information. Plame 'was' undercover during the time she was outed. CIA Director George Tenet has confirmed this. Yes, Armitage was the first one on record by Woodward and Novak as citing her name. BUT WOODWARD DID NOT PUBLISH HER NAME. "NOVAK" did after 'confirming conversation' with.. (wait for it….) KARL ROVE. (no one is asking the question… why?)(Futher, why did the CIA beg Novak not to publish the article, but he did it any? and why did Novak send a copy of the article to ROVE several days before printing, and WHY DID ROVE TELL THREE DIFFERENT REPORTERS, woodward, novak, and miller. This means at least 3 people in the administration told at least 4 reporters her name… why?)? I digress.. When Richard Armitage admitted to being 'a' source, Novak wrote an op-ed column describing Armitage's self-disclosure as "deceptive". Republican chosen and appointed special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald (a Republican prosecutor from Illinois) investigated already having Armitages name because the Special Counsel has suggested that White House actions were part of "a plan to discredit, punish or seek revenge against Mr. Wilson. Now that's a REPUBLICAN saying this… as for her being a 'hack' she has done more to keep this country safe from terrorists than you 'ever' will. You cannot downplay and diminish her stellar 20 year career. Please.. stop lying to your fellow Americans for partisan purposes. We deserve the TRUTH. We don't deserve "spinstoppers" who are actually spin'masters'.

V.King Phoenix AZ   August 20th, 2007 6:23 pm ET

Spinstopper, you are disembling. You are spreading false information. Plame 'was' undercover during the time she was outed. CIA Director George Tenet has confirmed this. Yes, Armitage was the first one on record by Woodward and Novak as citing her name. BUT WOODWARD DID NOT PUBLISH HER NAME. "NOVAK" did after 'confirming conversation' with.. (wait for it….) KARL ROVE. (no one is asking the question… why?)(Futher, why did the CIA beg Novak not to publish the article, but he did it any? and why did Novak send a copy of the article to ROVE several days before printing, and WHY DID ROVE TELL THREE DIFFERENT REPORTERS, woodward, novak, and miller. This means at least 3 people in the administration told at least 4 reporters her name… why?)? I digress.. When Richard Armitage admitted to being 'a' source, Novak wrote an op-ed column describing Armitage's self-disclosure as "deceptive". Republican chosen and appointed special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald (a Republican prosecutor from Illinois) investigated while already having Armitages AND ROVES names, because the Special Counsel has suggested that White House actions were part of "a plan to discredit, punish or seek revenge against Mr. Wilson. Now that's a REPUBLICAN saying this… as for Plame being a 'hack'; she has done more to keep this country safe from terrorists than you 'ever' will. You cannot downplay and diminish her stellar 20 year career. Please.. stop lying to your fellow Americans for partisan purposes. We deserve the TRUTH. We don't deserve "spinstoppers" who are actually spin'masters'.

Jake Freivald, West Orange, NJ   August 20th, 2007 5:19 pm ET

I'm Jake Freivald from West Orange, NJ, and someone else made the comment above to get My Pet Goat. I don't agree with everything the Bush administration stands for, but I think the Plame/Wilson is noise about nothing. Armitage was the leaker; Valerie Wilson wasn't covert at the time of the leak; Joe Wilson's statements have been thoroughly debunked in a bipartisan Senate intelligence report.

Among other things, "The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address."

So much for sending Rove to jail over that. It sounds like Wilson is the liar in this case.

spinstopper   August 20th, 2007 4:16 pm ET

Valerie Plame Wilson was not an active undercover agent, nor had she been for a long time. It was not a crime to out her as a CIA agent and it certainly wasn't a crime to out her as a third rate political hack. That's why no one went to jail for it..

Perry, Dallas, Texas   August 20th, 2007 4:04 pm ET

Pat P., Huntington Station, NY

Rove has left the White House, true enough, but I'm not so sure about him being irrelevant. He is still relevant enough to really piss off the democrats.

homev - berrien spr., mi   August 20th, 2007 3:55 pm ET

Why are some of you obssessed with Karl Rove– wait- am I in the right thread?! ;)

Lesly, Boston, Massachusetts   August 20th, 2007 3:46 pm ET

I can only assume that some of these posts are from absolutely ignorant unpatriotic partisans considering they do not find it to be treason to out a CIA agent and that they can believe reinforce and even restate the fallacies that cover up the negative actions that this administration has taken to line their pockets while deceiving the American people. Shame on all of you who continue to support a failed administration for the sake of politics that is truly unAmerican and definitely unPatriotic. If you love America you would hate what this administration has done to it.

Jerry Cohen, Asheville NC   August 20th, 2007 3:35 pm ET

Let's stop calling Rove Svengali. Rasputin is more on target!

michelle, atlanta ga   August 20th, 2007 3:12 pm ET

hahaha, oh that's a good one! someone PLEASE tell me what "lies" joe wilson told?!? PLEASE!!

and novak reports news…no matter the source, no matter the subject. a reporter is supposed to be unbiased, which i'm assuming novak is or he would've told who his sources were to beginwith.

so all this talk about wilson and novak getting prosecuted is the last straw you naysayers have to grasp at i suppose. it's very sad actually.

TC Plainfield, IL   August 20th, 2007 3:10 pm ET

Karl Rove discussed his role in outing the covert CIA operative Valerie Plame on tv. He will probably mention it in a chapter of his memoirs (should we look for it in the comedy or real-life crime section in the bookstore?). If he is asked about it during one of his paid speeches, he will discuss the issue. Why wont he appear under oath to discuss this issue? The courts will have to decide if all of Rove's white house conversations are covered by "executive privledge" or just those conversations with Pres. Bush. The public deserves an explaination under oath.

P J Evans, Los Angeles, CA   August 20th, 2007 3:09 pm ET

Karl wouldn't know truth if it jumped up and bit him in an undescribed location. He was just one of the ones leaking information - not just Plame, there's other stuff - and he certainly wasn't doing it on his own. He got fired by GHW Bush in 1992 because of his sleazy tactics, too.
To all those who claim that Wilson was lying: why then did the White House attack his wife, who *did not* write that op-ed? The WH knew exactly what it was doing, and they wanted Plame out of the way because she knew they were lying about WMDs in Iraq *and in Iran*.

Joanne, Charlottesville, VA   August 20th, 2007 3:07 pm ET

Does anyone anymore believe anything that comes out of Rove's mouth? He knows he is lying. Lying will be one of the lasting legacies of the current administration.

Jon, Sacramento ~ Ca   August 20th, 2007 2:49 pm ET

CNN decided this question was too dangerous and censored it off the blog:

Why does everyone want to blame Rove for outing Valerie Plame when it has been documented Richard Armitage was the leak?

Bob Woodword (Washington Post) says it was Armitage.
Robert Novak says it was Armitage.
Even Richard Armitage admits it publically that HE was the source (Sept 7, 2006) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Armitage

Tim Sullivan Washington, D.C.   August 20th, 2007 2:40 pm ET

Valerie Plame was a spy. She and everyone who worked with her lost their careers because of that blunder by Rove. It used to be if you exposed your country's spies, it was tantamount to treason and the guilty party would hang–Ask Benedict Arnold!

Bill Rogers, Palo Alto, CA   August 20th, 2007 2:38 pm ET

Karl Rove is great at winning elections, lousy at setting policy. I think Rove had too much influence in the Bush 43 administration. He got Bush re-elected in 2004, but he did it by dividing, rather than uniting, the nation. Helping to blow a CIA agent's cover is part of that divisive policy. It's good that he is gone.

IF, Colorado   August 20th, 2007 2:37 pm ET

"spinstopper" August 20, 2007 10:14 am wrote:

"By the way, it was the complete failure within the CIA that allowed the UN conflict to progress into war. But it happened.., so get over it already and help for a change."

No, it was a forgone conclusion orchestrated by the PNAC think-tank years before 9/11:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pnac

And the Democrats continue to get pummeled by Bush sympathizers for believing their lies leading up to the Iraq war. And get over what: an unjust war this, "our," government pursued? I choose not to "get over it."

Larry, Seattle WA   August 20th, 2007 2:20 pm ET

"Karl Rove has set back the CIA's human intelligence program by many years"

Pretty difficult to do that when the Clinton administration hacked budgets down so far as to make the CIA's human intelligence program nearly irrelevant.

The defense budget was an easy target for the handout-smitten liberals.

Good job!

Scott Overland Park, KS   August 20th, 2007 2:18 pm ET

Regardless of how this makes one 'feel', the facts of this case have proven that someone high up, during time of war, outed a spy and thus rendered her work obsolete. The work she was doing was directly related to counterintelligence and counterterrorism. As we were not yet at war with Iraq, the administration probably figures that some loophole would get them off. But the sheer sensitivity of the information with which she was dealing should have pulled her right off the White House's radar. I've never heard of an administration that had intimate knowledge of the identity or identities of spies. That's why these people are spies and that's why these agencies (the White House and the CIA) are split up the way that they are.

That being said, it is an act of high treason to reveal the identity of a spy, especially in time of war. During WWII, anyone in the field that might have done this was subject to an impromptu Court Martial and summarily hung upon a guilty verdict. THAT is how we kept intelligence out of the hands of our enemies.

Anne E., SLC   August 20th, 2007 2:18 pm ET

The comment by Dennis is absolutely correct. In the days when our gov't. had been firmly established, Rove would've been charged, tried, convicted and executed.
Anyone who thinks Rove is out of the picture is sadly mistaken — he's only changed strategy/tactics/m.o., as evidenced by his comments that Sen. Clinton is "fatally flawed." Perfect example of "subliminal advertising."
Listen up, Terry & Howard, because THIS guy is the real "evildoer"!

Michael Mitelman, South Carolina   August 20th, 2007 2:16 pm ET

Karl Rove's last interview had demonstrated the incompetence of the media… The interviewer himself was not able to counter ANY facts presented by Rove. He just repeated all those gossips and rumors, which do not have any value, whatsoever. Both, Wilson and his wife should go to jail for lying and not anybody else. Most comments published here are ignoring, either deliberately or by the lack of a simple understanding of all the FACTS presented by Karl Rove. Amazing, how idiotic and unjust is the majority of negative comments. Karl Rove is simply tooooo smart for them and they do not like it!

One more comment. You, people, do not understand to even a slightest degree how a vicious dictator like Saddam Hussein (his role model was Josef Stalin, right?) can keep everyone silent in his own country… If he did not have WMD's, then why he did not say it out loud and stay alive?
And if those "friendly countries" like France, Germany, Russia supported the US and UK, this war would have never started!

Anonymous   August 20th, 2007 2:11 pm ET

Carl Rove is a traitor to the United States and should be tried as such

charlie, cleora, ok   August 20th, 2007 2:08 pm ET

Rove is a liar and a traitor to America.
He never acknowledges any of his mistakes, especially when his decisions cause death.
Anybody who believes he isn't lying is a fool and well liked by good 'ole TurdBlossom.

Carle, Ann Arbor, MI   August 20th, 2007 1:56 pm ET

Why, at this point, would anyone believe ANYTHING Karl Rove has to say?

Laura L. - Chippewa Falls, WI   August 20th, 2007 1:51 pm ET

Who's afraid of big bad Karl?

Paul, Bethesda, MD   August 20th, 2007 1:51 pm ET

Karl Rove is out of the scope of prosecution for this incident and he STILL can't tell the truth!

Amazing!

Bea, Hoboken, NJ   August 20th, 2007 1:38 pm ET

"Karl, go home, shut the door, turn off your phone, play with your Hillary dolls and leave us in peace".

Good one, this one had me laughing out loud!!! Me thinks that the man doth protest too much!! He probably bought a Barbie doll which he dresses in Hillary like pant suits to fulfill some sick fantasy.

Seriously, Rove has polluted the civil discourse long enough. I only wish that it was true that he's going to TX to be with his family. The sad truth is that he's probably already planning to work behind the scenes to try to topple the Democratic candidate and he thinks that candidate will be Hillary Clinton.

Brendose, Oceanside Ca   August 20th, 2007 1:38 pm ET

I bet you he couldn't say this under oath!!

mt, br, LA   August 20th, 2007 1:34 pm ET

I'm shocked that some folks see Wilson as the bad guy. He is a hero in my book. He tried to blow the wistle and stop the U.S. from getting into the Iraq war. At this point, even most staunch conservatives agree the war was a mistake. Wilson tried to prevent that mistake, and some folks say he should go to jail.

For what??? For disagreeing with the President??? When that becomes a crime, I'm leaving.

SP, Phoenix AZ   August 20th, 2007 1:33 pm ET

Isn't this the man who said: "If you repeat a lie five times it becomes the truth"?

Also, I have to say I'm amazed at how misinformed many people here are. Valerie Plame a "third rate political hack"? Why Novak outed Plame? Wilson lying or out for revenge?

Do you people actually READ the articles on CNN?

Myron, Honolulu, HI   August 20th, 2007 1:27 pm ET

Rove left the White House but the damage continues. Rove left the White House what evil schemes and lies will he mastermind next. Who lost it for the Republican Party Bush or Rove? Who destroied the Conservative agenda–Rove! [Bush isn't smart enough!] :)

educated redneck, Fort Stockton, TX   August 20th, 2007 1:25 pm ET

spinstopper: check your facts. Valerie Plame was a covert operative for the CIA. If you are deemed as such, you are working undercover, which she was, and Rove blew her cover.
Google it if you don't believe me. She had covert status. That's what made it a crime.

Arlington, atlanta, ga.   August 20th, 2007 1:25 pm ET

Not sure who's worst. The idiots that put them in office, or the idiots that still believe their lies. Either way, America seems to be waking up. I hope.

C, K, Justus   August 20th, 2007 1:24 pm ET

Who does he think will believe the most lying administration that has ever been in the Whitehouse.
The Nixon Whitehouse in my eyes a was much more truthful than what we have had for the last six and one half years.

Jack Sotsky Lake Worth, Florida   August 20th, 2007 1:18 pm ET

The Bush Kingdom, like Humpty Dumpty is cracking up. However the damage this administration has foisted on the world,is probably irreparable. I have never seen a Congress who just buckled under this dictatorial regime as they have done. Now that the term is ending, the rats are all jumping overboard. And to think this used to be a great country. An incompetent, stubborn leader (read "loser") has hurt us badly…very badly.

Jed Clampett   August 20th, 2007 1:16 pm ET

It's the Arkansas Hillerybillies.

stu smalley   August 20th, 2007 1:14 pm ET

Look at the libs bawling and calling their opposition liars although they have no proof. Remember NO crime was comitted against Plame and the special prosecutor knew that Armitage was Novac's source from the beginning of the witch hunt. I would be embarassed to be associated with the left at this point.

Ray Martinez, Tuscon, AZ   August 20th, 2007 1:13 pm ET

I agree with someone's comments that Rove should be tried for treason. This was a deliberate attempt to discredit Ambassador Wilson as he exposed Bush's lies going for war on false reasons. If this had happened with Clinton, the same people would have made it as a national headlines and asked for prison terms for those involed. Why were these same people who were shouting for Clinton's impeachment on perjury (though it was for personal reason) are so quiet? Bloody hypocrites!

Bubba, Swainsboro GA   August 20th, 2007 1:12 pm ET

spinstopper & co. - turn that around. If there's no big deal about Rove revealing the identity of a covert operative of his own government, then why doesn't he just own up and be proud? "I did it, so what?"
prospector - you need to read up, son. Wilson actually verified that an attempt was made to sell yellowcake uranium, but Iraq declined. What he's mainly said is "OMG, why did you tell the world my wife is CIA?" Nothing Wilson has said is in any way untrue or biased.
Scott - amen, Novak was incredibly careless publishing that name. I'd lock him up myself. The law's really odd sometimes.
Dennis, Plame's foreign contacts have all been exposed as well. She'd tag along with hubby and 'go shopping' with 'girlfriends,' and now the 'girlfriends' governments know what went down. CIA works for us all, not just along party lines; those betrayed connections hurt everyone.

Steve, Crete IL   August 20th, 2007 1:08 pm ET

How is it that Joe Wilson was selected for this mission? Why is the British intelligence findings about yellow cake uranium igorned in favor of Wilson's conclusions? How is it that a "covert" CIA agent's neighbors know where she worked for years?

Bottom line: Wilson and Plame schemed this whole thing from day one. Wilson has a political agenda and so does Plame. Armitage "leaks" but Libby gets charged. In the meantime, Wilson and Plame get a free pass even though they conspired to to manipulate national intelligence to their political favor.

Jeffrey Kress Old Bridge,NJ   August 20th, 2007 1:07 pm ET

OOPS!TYPO!I hope that doesn't get them off but itprobably will.These thugs haven't paid a single thing for their crimes against our country,our people and our Constitution.

Jim, Albuquerque, NM   August 20th, 2007 1:05 pm ET

Disclosing the identity of a CIA agent during war time? "Turd Blossom", "Scooter" and anyone else involved should charged with treason and if convicted, jailed for the rest of their lives!

James, Phoenix AZ   August 20th, 2007 1:04 pm ET

Just curious - why does everyone want to pin Valerie Plame's "outing" on Rove?

We KNOW it was Richard Armitage. Bob Woodward (reporter) said it. Novak said it. Richartd Armitage has admitted he was the one who leaked Valerie's name and asked the special prosecutor if he could set the record straight.

Those are FACTS folks. I'm just curious why everyone wants to ignore the facts and continue attacking Rove and/or the President?

IM MENG, Phnom Penh, Cambodia   August 20th, 2007 1:01 pm ET

I think U.S should find other solution,after heard or got information.Because the old sentence said," Heard ten time,not equal we see one time, and we see ten time, not equal we touch one time" Please consider next time.

FedUp, Topeka, KS   August 20th, 2007 12:56 pm ET

Why are the Libs still riding ths tired old horse?? Oh yeah….I forgot….an election is coming up. I'm SURE that voters are concerned about the so-called 'outing' of an employee of the CIA whose duties included making sure that flower centerpieces and catering arrangements were in place for meetings. :-)

A. Thomas, New York, NY   August 20th, 2007 12:55 pm ET

You know Rove is lying when he opens his mouth!

What a shame and mess that he has brought america into.

Michael K, Baltimore MD   August 20th, 2007 12:55 pm ET

Normally, I soft-pedal the whole treason thing. However, since republicans have practiced chanting it in unison, I think the appropriate charge for outing a CIA Agent, compromising the 'Cover Company' and placing all of that company's contacts in danger (especially in protection of a lie) qualifies as treason in a time of war. How about it republicans? Is that an act of treason? If you cannot call Rove a traitor, you are not allowed to ever smear anyone with that particular epithet again.

Do you really think we are not paying attention?

Norm, Orlando, Fl   August 20th, 2007 12:49 pm ET

We should ask the contacts of Valerie Plame in Niger what should be done to Karl Rove; We cannot, they are most likely dead.

Karl Rove has set back the CIA's human intelligence program by many years. Why would anyone contact a CIA operative with information on terrorism if you knew that operative's name (and your name by association) could one day be outed by the White House?

I also see the NeoCon spin doctors are all over this "comment field" already.

Wynter   August 20th, 2007 12:48 pm ET

I see the RNC is hard at work today with all the negative comments.

Rove is being the slick political operative we all love to hate. Totally sidestepping the truth when it came to his small part in the Plame leak even with Novak stating Rove lied on Sunday about his involvement. Talk about revisionist history! He now claims he didn't confirm Plame's identity as a CIA operative as Novak stated. Give me a break. Can you say LIAR!

His comments on Hillary Clinton are a bit perplexing. It isn't like the weasel to throw her a bone like that. At this stage of the game the candidates are looking for publicity so they can be seen and heard. Opening up on her just gives her more time on the air.

What gets me is that all during the Clinton Presidency people kept slamming Hillary for everything from the health care problems to how bad dinner was last night. Can someone at least come up with one thing she REALLY did wrong? Hmm?

Healthcare - GOP in Congress Killed it.
Bubba's infidelity - Blaming the victim are we?

Not much else to say against her after that. If you see anything different let me know. But the rest of the things I have seen against her are just plain unfounded rumors and conservative rhetoric meant to demonize a past first lady. Why don't we start inventing rumors about George's wife sleeping with Rove next? Hmm? Seems a bit tacky, but it does seem to compare to the level of the past attacks on Hillary. Come on people get a clue!

Telling it like I see it,
Wynter

Dr. Vincent J. Petrosino   August 20th, 2007 12:45 pm ET

And even after he capitulates, he's still LYING! Some people just never tell the truth but when they run our government, that is disasterous! So after all those years in journalism, Robert Novak does not know a confirmation from a hole in the wall? Nonesense!

Paul Robillard Springfield MA   August 20th, 2007 12:43 pm ET

As a government employee with access to classified information Rove signed a statement that he would neither confirm nor deny classified information to the media. Valerie Plame was an undercover agent. Two of her covers include serving as a junior consular officer in the early 1990's in Athens and then later an energy analyst for the private company (founded in 1994) "Brewster Jennings & Associates", which the CIA later acknowledged was a front company for certain investigations. official legal documents published in the course of the CIA leak grand jury investigation, United States v. Libby, and Congressional investigations fully establish Mrs. Wilson's classified employment as a covert officer for the CIA at the time that Novak's column was published in July 2003. Rove is one of the people who are obviously guilty of revealing her to the media. He should be prosecuted.

Edith Prescott Bethany Beach, DE   August 20th, 2007 12:41 pm ET

Goodbye Karl…no one is going to miss you. You have set this country back a hundred years with your "spin"…good luck getting another Republican elected president!

pl, at the UN, for a while.   August 20th, 2007 12:39 pm ET

I am not American. I cannot vote. But I am pondering Mr Rove's incipient destiny.

Mr Rove's political acumen seems to have stopped at Machiavelli's 1514 O.O.E.. publication of the quickly written and published famous "Prince"–the 'non plus ultra' political treatise for all(?) ages.

I suggest Mr. Rove–now that he has the time–revisit the fate of the ill-inclined Machiavelli who wrote the ill-conceived, 96 skimpy pages, of what Machiavelli himself described as an 'how to' prontuary of effective political craft.

The prince Lorenzo de' Medici jr. read and then tossed the miniscule work behind his back. Florence continued to prosper.

It is really a disgrace that so many programs of Political Science require the students to memorize the booklet without ever mentioning the history that surrounded it.

Mr Rove's (mis)fortunes look appalingly identical to those of the post-Prince Machiavelli: purged out of office, deprived of an audience, progressively disgraced, impoverished, and finally exiled from Florence: to exhale his last breath–heartbroken, abandoned and umiliated–at the relatively young age of 49.

Sean P. - Hicksville, NY   August 20th, 2007 12:38 pm ET

Karl Rove is like a bird freed from a cage now that he say anything he wants! He's "baaaaaaaaaaaack"…

destardi chicago, il   August 20th, 2007 12:36 pm ET

"spinstopper" haha, nice misnomer…

So are you qualified to be in the Central Intelligence Office? Do you know anyone who is?

If not, don't you dare belittle anyone who is…There is nothing "third rate" about the CIA.

It was proven that Ms. Plame's identity was covert; to swallow blindly any assertion of "executive privelege" this joke of a President makes whenever lies are about to be exposed, then call the outing of an American CIA operative "third rate" is an obvious contradiction. You can't have it both ways.

torrey - cheyenne, wy   August 20th, 2007 12:36 pm ET

Karl Rove didn't reveal anything; he did nothing wrong, nothing illegal. This a just another "gotcha" that the anti-Bush hordes want to foist on the American thinking public. Just wait a few weeks and they'll lose interest.

S. B. Stein E.B NJ   August 20th, 2007 12:35 pm ET

One of my problems with Mr. Rove is that he stands by the executive prilivage reason as to why he hasn't gone before Congress about anything. He's reasoning that there was an option to me with some of the committee off the record and with no transcript is flawed. Congress is supposed to be doing the oversight of the Executive branch. Failure to make sure that we the people know what Congress found out is unacceptable. With no record, it goes down to he said, he said arguement. There is the question as to what Rove said in regards to Plame as well as the U.S. Attorney firing among other things.

Pat P., Huntington Station, NY   August 20th, 2007 12:32 pm ET

LOL with the play with your Hillary dolls comment. Couldn't have said it better myself. Best thing to do with Rove is to ignore his tirades, tantrums, and virtriol…so as to make him what he now is - irrelevant.

Dave S Gaithersburg, Md   August 20th, 2007 12:32 pm ET

Since when did treason become a repub virtue?

Ann, Atlanta, GA   August 20th, 2007 12:28 pm ET

Why are we even giving Karl Rove any attention at all? We should just do what we instruct children to do: IGNORE HIM and maybe he'll go away.

Scott, Baltimore MD   August 20th, 2007 12:27 pm ET

It was Richard Armitage!

sonny c. v.p.,la.   August 20th, 2007 12:24 pm ET

If one were to turn Mr. Rove's nose upward just a 1/4 inch he'd look just like the main villains in Orwell's "Animal Farm". Now if Rove found himself in a similar situation involving one of his political enemies, I wonder what he'd instruct a caricature artist on the Republican Slime Machine payroll to do?

John, Ca.   August 20th, 2007 12:24 pm ET

These traitors outed a covert CIA agent and are getting away with it. When this Adm. picks political revenge over national security it time to show them the door…………………………………of a cell!

November 2008 can't come soon enough!

richard m potter, pittsburgh ,pa   August 20th, 2007 12:24 pm ET

How can we believe Matt Cooper's contention that Rove must have known. After all he is a magazine reporter.

Anonymous   August 20th, 2007 12:21 pm ET

I completely agree that confidential information must remain confidential.

But my question is, is it not a conflict of interest to have a CIA operative married to an Ambassador? We hear about how Americans are suspected of being spies in other countries, and then it turns out we have a wife of an Ambassador as a spy. This doesn't help that image.

I'm a CPA. I can not, and no member of my immediate family is allowed to own stock in the companies I work on. It just seems to reason, we shouldn't have undercover CIA operatives married to US representation over seas.

Dennis   August 20th, 2007 12:18 pm ET

third rate politcal hack?

You mean Valerie Plame? She was a career CIA employee, an undercover operative working on national security issues - helping keep Americans safe. The release of her name should have been treated as an act of treason and Karl Rove should be in prison.

Joan Isenberg, Delavan, Wisconsin 53115   August 20th, 2007 12:10 pm ET

Why did Novak query a USA operative?

It's almost as queer as the "air lift" to join Jesus in the clouds of the Born Again Bushmen.

It's Bourne again. See it.

Sally   August 20th, 2007 12:09 pm ET

How can you tell if Rove is lying?

His lips are moving.

Phillip Rosenthal, Pennington, New Jersey   August 20th, 2007 12:09 pm ET

Rove should leave the White House, not pass go and go straight to jail. Corruption starts at the top and I don't give Bush enough credit to mess things up they way he has.

Mike - Dallas, Tx   August 20th, 2007 12:02 pm ET

Hello…Hello..Hello, anybody home!

FACT:

RICHARD ARMITAGE, admitted, confirmed leaker to Novak!

Investigation by Fitzgerald knew this before the questioning of Libby and Rove began, making it simply a "witch hunt" to trap White House officials in possible lies, successful on Libby.

Those with BDS cannot and will not recognize the truth (ARMITAGE) as the instigator of the "leak.

Gray, Alexandria, VA   August 20th, 2007 12:02 pm ET

No one really pays attention to the details; Joe Wilson worked in the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION.

The only mistake the Bush Whitehouse made was to hire him to go to Africa;

DUHHH: He is and always was a DEMOCRAT.

Pay attention. Of course he is going to lie about what he found, and continue to spin the story for his DEMOCRATIC friends.

And the leftist liberal crazies think that if they can destroy the magic amulate (Karl Rove), they can retrieve the White House.

Wake up; this is as bad as when the Republicans went after the Clintons
about Whitewater.

Give it up already.

Jake Freivald, West Orange, New Jersey   August 20th, 2007 12:01 pm ET

Rove and all the other leakers should be on their way to prison over the Plame incident. So much for Bush bringing decency back to government. Bring back the dems in '08!

Carol Stream, IL   August 20th, 2007 11:55 am ET

The moral of the story is that this is a big deal for the public because we get the impression that if you are rich and powerful then the law doesn't apply to you. If it doesn't apply to them, why should it apply to the rest of us? The law should be enforced equally. What good is a law if it keeps on changing to meet the needs of a few priviledged? What about the rest of us? Aren't we citizens with full rights too?

Kade, Surprise, Arizona   August 20th, 2007 11:55 am ET

"Well, it seems like most Americans have caught up with the rest of the world now, in realizing the HUGE mistake they made voting this "administration" in."

I believe there is still question that they were in fact voted in.

Phillip Rosenthal, Pennington, New Jersey   August 20th, 2007 11:48 am ET

Another rat leaving the sinking ship.

dan, Reality, USA   August 20th, 2007 11:47 am ET

I love it. People still have the audacity to defend the outing of a cia agent for political purposes. Gotta love their persistence when it comes to defending the indefensible.

Yvan,Indio,CA   August 20th, 2007 11:46 am ET

Lies,Lies, lies, and more lies. The Guy made a life of lies, and deceiveness. This Guy makes Nixon looks like a boy-scout.How many lies can you said ,and still lookyourself in the mirror??? History is going to judge the Guy as the Arhitect of 6 years of a failed policy. Just go home,and write a book about your failures Rove, I am sure you can find few people to believe you.LOL

Ivan, Chicago, Illinois   August 20th, 2007 11:44 am ET

Mr. Rove has proven himself to be a apt student of German history, following the advise of Joesph Goebell the Minister of Nazi Propaganda who said, "Tell a lie often enough and people will believe it."

Lizabeth, Dallas TX   August 20th, 2007 11:44 am ET

Interesting those that think this is a non-issue. I suspect if it were a Democratic administration member, these same folks would be screaming for their heads.
We all know the reason W commuted Libby's sentence… he (and Karl Boy) were scared senseless that Libby was going to blow the whistle on Rove– and maybe even on Cheney & Bush themselves.
Karl Boy obviously wouldn't know how to tell the truth if his Momma's life depended on it. Then again, that might not matter to him. This guy is a first class disgusting creep. I wouldn't trust him for 2 seconds. He's a manipulator, a scum bag, and a liar. We should be ashamed he ever occupied any office of trust in this country.

Anonymous   August 20th, 2007 11:39 am ET

It's no wonder he always looks so smug…he and the rest of the administration know that they will never be called out for their crimes against America.

Cable King Pittsburgh Pa   August 20th, 2007 11:30 am ET

Personally, I don't know who to believe the prevaricator is in a Novak vs. Rove dispute.

Thats a tough one!

Rock oN!

TJP Valley Forge, PA   August 20th, 2007 11:16 am ET

Wilson is the political hack seeking revenge. His lies will be exposed with an eventual indictment. All this politics does nothing for the country. Considering who we have in Congress, maybe it's better that way.

Bill, Streamwood, IL   August 20th, 2007 10:49 am ET

Karl Rove still hasn't figured out that this isn't a Monty Python skit, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more, say no more. A National Security issue was at stake and he is still playing word games.

One thing I have determined over the last 25 years is that Bob Novak, while I don't agree with him all the time, is not a liar, but a professional journalist that is held in high regard by his conservative and liberal colleagues.

Given a choice of whom to believe … Novak wins and Rove loses.

Karl, go home, shut the door, turn off your phone, play with your Hillary dolls and leave us in peace.

Jethro, Kawasaki, Kanagawa   August 20th, 2007 10:48 am ET

Well, it seems like most Americans have caught up with the rest of the world now, in realizing the HUGE mistake they made voting this "administration" in.

Now that the rats are jumping ship, let's see if they've have covered their tracks with as much skill as they used to deceived and rip-off their country for the past 6 years… my guess is, yes.

Art Serio, Miami FL   August 20th, 2007 10:45 am ET

It appears Karl is still the master in command. One thing this administration has proven to us all is that they are serial liars.

Prospector, Chandalar, Alaska   August 20th, 2007 10:45 am ET

The lies of Wilson are far more damaging to the country than the perjury of Libby. Libby got his conviction. When will Wilson get his?

Mike, Baltimore, md   August 20th, 2007 10:39 am ET

I hopew we are all not stupid enough to believe Rove…

Bobby Richards, Evansville, IN   August 20th, 2007 10:37 am ET

More evidence that our society has taken a big lurch toward the Feudal system.

Freinds of the monarch do not need to answerr questions truthfully or otherwise

Debashish Chakraborty   August 20th, 2007 10:31 am ET

The whole thing was much ado about nothing. Hopefully the Libby commutation has brought this unnecesarily over-hyped chapter to a close.

Anon   August 20th, 2007 10:29 am ET

Rove denies everything. All he is does is blame the Democrats for everything the Reblicans do wrong.

brooklyn   August 20th, 2007 10:26 am ET

what a crook. uh, mean crock.

Mark Fort Lauderdale FL   August 20th, 2007 10:25 am ET

I don't believe Karl Rove. I believe that he or one of his agents deliberately outed Valerie Plame in retaliation for her husband's report. I pray that George Bush can be rehabilitated now that he is not under the continuous influence of this horrible man.

frank Denver Colorado   August 20th, 2007 10:24 am ET

Nothing but lies from Rove,he lies so much I believe he now thinks his lies are true. Bush's "brain" is now a washed up hack unless you believe in his lies..20% of you just might

Scott McEachern, Portland, ME   August 20th, 2007 10:18 am ET

What reason did robert Novak have for outing Ms. Plame? Why would he want to out a CIA agent working for the USA? Why is he not prosecuted?

spinstopper   August 20th, 2007 10:14 am ET

"I've heard that, too."

How exactly does this relate to the 2008 elections? And why is CNN still attacking Rove about the identity of some third rate political hack in the CIA?

By the way, it was the complete failure within the CIA that allowed the UN conflict to progress into war. But it happened.., so get over it already and help for a change.

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