Huckabee. What a fool. About to go broke. You can spend your life in Iraq Huckabee… not American troops

Greeting one and all, FINALLY two CANDIDATES debating on what we the AMERICAN PUBLIC need to hear. ITS GOOD TO SEE! While the MAINSTREAM MEDIA still tries to dictate what we think and how we react, its nice to see most of you on here read the article and MAKE UP YOUR MIND YOURSELF on what the TITLE of it should be! THE TITLE IN ITSELF shows the GREAT PUPPET MASTER ( mainstream media ) at work! IT SHOWS exactly what I KNEW IT WOULD, a SENSE OF URGENCY, a SENSE OF NEED to DOWNGRADE the RON PAUL MOVEMENT, HOW BETTER TO DO THAT than to THROW another LOWER TIER CANDIDATE under the BUS! ITS PRETTY PITTIFULL NOWADAYS, and no matter what, WE ALL NEED CHANGE! Just make sure that the PERSON YOU VOTE FOR, is one of MORAL CHARACTER, TRUTHFULL, and has a GOLDEN BACKBONE OF INTEGRITY! CHECK OUT YA CANDIDATE, READ ABOUT THEM, THEN DECIDE! AS FOR MYSELF~ IM RONALD PAUL ALL THE WAY~ it is a REVOLUTION and NO OTHER CANDIDATE has a SERVICE RECORD like RON PAUL! A UNIQUE MAN for a UNIQUE TIME!

THANK GOD FOR RON PAUL!

HONOR OVER HUMAN LIFE?

It's obvious that Mike Huckabee is pandering. Ron Paul is the ONLY REPUBLICAN THAT MAKES ANY SENSE! The war is over. Bring our troops home. We don't need our men and women dieing for honor any more. This is a war we've won and it's time to stop nation building.

Congrats to Ron Paul, from the responce on CNN, he's already won!

For those of you siding with Mr Huckabee, I suggest you get educated on the root of the problem, instead of believing every word out of a news reporter or politicians mouth. WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE THERE! WHO ARE WE TO IMPOSE OUR WAY OF LIFE ON ANYONE? We have plenty enough problems of our own at home to continue this "crusade." I'm sure those of you that support staying in Iraq forever do not have a family member in the service…all I want is my daughter to know her father, and if this war continues she wont.

This is honest debate. Both men made solid arguments, and genuinely disagreed. They were passionately riled up, but for once it was over real issues. This article makes it seem like Huckabee won, and he does make a valid point about our responsibilities. However, this isn't an issue that can be decided over reading a thirty second snippet. I'll have to read more about Huckabee. However, I do know some things about Paul. He is ultra-conservative, but I believe that he is a genuine patriot, and although I doubt he has a chance to win, I believe I'll vote for him both in the Virginia Republican Primaries, and the Presidential Election—as a write-in ballot if I have too. I love his stance on the Constitution, and even if he doesn't win, he says things the entire country needs to consider. He's a great man, and I do hope he gets a fair shake at winning this thing.

Huckabee clearly won the debate.

And I'm sure Ron Paul is a good guy, but what kind of person really cares about the soldiers then debates with the line "We are losing elections, and we are going down next year if we don't change it" ? He sound more like a politician than John Kerry.

3 million Iraqi refugees.

Less than 300 allowed into the U.S.

Where is the honor in that Huckabee?

"CNN Comment Policy: CNN encourages you to add a comment to this discussion"

(yes, but they will delete your comment if you criticize CNN's biaised coverage)

The globalist media goons mocking and snickering at Mr. Paul just shows how desperate they are to discredit him.The fascist globalists are shaking in their jack-boots at the thought of an honest president. If the elections are not stolen again by diebold republican trickery we may finally have a real president and not another globalist puppet.Sean Hannity get used to the phrase "President Paul".

Ron Paul will never be president of the US. He's right about Iraq, so that's why he will never be president. Huckabee wants the honor of America to be protected, so he will live in a bankrupt but honorable country. Mikey is fighting for a not so distant future, a time when America will speak, but no one will care enough to listen. Something worth fighting for?

Anyone with a brain could see plainly that dr. paul spoke more wisdom and common sense – as usual!
Huckabee is a neo-con- pure and simple – his arugment about honor was ludicrous and most of the world knows it.
dr. paul is a statesman of the finest caliber and the only candidate – of both parties – fit for the oval office.
the rumor is he is broke and whining for a cfr position.
i personally pity him!
he's been bought!

What is "deemed appropriate for posting"?

If anybody can actually explain Huckabee's position I've got a couple of wooden nickels for them. When Ron Paul pointed out that the neoconservatives have hijacked our foreign policy, Huckabee responds with, "We have to be one nation under God"?!? Mindless or spineless, either way it makes no sense. Should we have been "One nation under Nixon", too?

Ron Paul won that exchange hands down. (No matter how much the writer for this story wanted to have it seem otherwise.)

shame on CNN for biaised reporting

congratulation to Ron Paul for squishing the opposition

(oh, and no, i'm not part of his campaing, nobody told me to write this, I didn't participate in polls, I'm just another adult person able to think by myself, and I'm sick and disgusted at what this country is becoming)

To Mike from Orlando: no Offense was intended. I greatly support the military, and thank you for the service to our country. I just have to wonder how can you say that there will be no violence if we do leave? Iraq is not Vietnam, it's iraq. I think that we should leave Iraq when the generals think it is safe to do so. I think Ron Paul's foreign policy would create problems for our country. However, I respect your right to your opinion, and once again, no offense was intended on my part.

Mike Honorbee. Now that is an epithet earned. It was the false notion of honor that gets thousands of soldiers unnecessarily killed in nearly every war throughout history. Honor doesn't patch maiming wounds or restore limbs lost or restore damaged brains. My God, we need someone who does understand wars and history. This person is not Mike Honorbee. Under this illusion, we would still be in Vietnam fighting for someone's (government officials) sense of honor. The only honor that counts is someone's personal sense of honor. Ron Paul's is intact.

What honor is there in continuing to be an occupying force in a country we needlessly invaded and destroyed? The honorable thing to do is send Mr. Bush before an Iraqi court to be charged with Crimes against humanity, offer humanitarian and reconstruction assistance and decrease our military presense so Iraq can rebuild as sees fit.

For anybody who missed it, here are the results of the Fox News poll (via text messaging) for the winner of the debate on September 5:
Paul 33%
Huckabee 18%
Giuliani 15%
McCain 14%
Romney 12%
Hunter 2%
Tancredo 2%
Brownback 1%

I find it interesting that Fox News briefly flashed the results on the TV screen, but I don't see any mention of this on their website. I don't think the people at Fox are happy about the poll results, especially Sean Hannity.

Congratulations Ron Paul on another great performance! Those other 7 (now Republican candidates can't match Ron Paul's wisdom and honesty.

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Found it on Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295969,00.html

Yes. You are correct. Ron Paul with 33%.

Look at the the Hannity/Colmes exchange. Here is a snapshot:

SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: All right, it is time now for the final results from our text messaging poll.

And in first tonight, Ron Paul. He is having all those 3 percent of people call in, I'm sure. (That's right, Dr. Paul got all those folks to text in…Don't other candidates supporters know how to text in and text in often?) He got 33…

ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Maybe he just did very well. (Ya think?)

HANNITY: He got 33 percent. Well, it happens.

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Wow. Bet you if it was Guliani, or even Thompson supporters, Hannity wouldn't make those comments.

Now as long as we can ensure that paper ballots are being used instead of election machines being rigged (this has happened and it is FACT), Ron Paul just might win.

So, just because the United States wantonly invaded a country and destroyed a society, it should have some responsibility to rebuild that country and society? I guess some people actually take the ridiculous view that Iraqi lives are as valuable as the lives of members of the Amerikan master race.

"For anybody who missed it, here are the results of the Fox News poll (via text messaging) for the winner of the debate on September 5″

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Yep – shows you what 1,000 Ron Paul supporters could do by repeatedly texting in his name 20-30 times each.

Ron Paul has as much chance of winning the Republican nomination as does Bill Clinton.

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Hmmm.

Are you saying that there aren't other candidates supporters out there texting their candidates in 20-30 times each?

Or are you saying Ron Paul supporters are the only ones who know how to use texting?

Or are you saying Ron Paul's supporters are the only one fanatical enough to text in his name over and over? If that IS the case, why do you think that is? Maybe other candidates aren't worthy of that type of support? Maybe what the other candidate's messages don't galvanize and electrify their following like Ron Paul?

Your observation is invalid. Next!

Go Ron Paul!

That's the entire POINT of elections, is that "we" ARE divided, and the MINORITY is telling the rest of "US" "bankruptcy before defeat" when "WE" have to pay the bill!

The division is rich chickenhawks vs. tax-paying americans! There's no "we" between you and me Huckabee! I'll put it in writing the day I get my ballot!

There's no honor in sending other people's children to die for your screw ups!

You want honor? Go throw yourself before the mercy of the Iraqi people.
^Fall on your sword on the retreat in apology for failing your country.

There's no greater dishonor than sending other's to pay for your mistakes.

Jon from Sacramento, people could only vote one time for the text message poll. Stop being ignorant.

Bradley from Ogden, UT. You are an idiot. Can you show me proof that there will be more violence if we leave. Have you learned nothing from Vietnam? How on Earth have you become so ignorant to not understand the facts that Ron Paul speaks about? I served in the Military from 2000-2004 and was deployed in 2003 , and your comment is irritating and offensive to me.

This article is a shammmmmmmm! Report what actually happened. Not what you wish happened.

I DEMAND that you, – CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney, print Ron Paul's reply. "You don't continue making the same mistake just to save face."

You call yourself a CNN Producer. Did you go to journalism school? Crackerjack box? This is the type of reporting that gives journalism a black eye. Be a professional and do it right. Attach a correction.

I'm tired of all you Ron Paul cry babies whining about the way he is treated. He has no chance no matter how many times his supporters vote for him. I like the man, but he cannot win… Although, contrary to what the so called expert analysts said, Ron Paul spanked Gov. Huckabee in the butt. GO ROMNEY!!!

hey Jon in Sacramento, you couldnt vote more than once, this was mentioned last night.

Ron Paul is the only candidate who speaks the truth. He is an honest man, and this shows with every word he speaks. He has my vote.

I hope all you Ron Paul supporters realize that you are damaging his campaign by being so stupid. Oh yeah, let's leave Iraq and the rest of the region and have world war three! That's what would happen with ron paul as pres.

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A very interesting exchange between two Republican contenders. I'm shocked at the level of quick thinking redress which has been woefully lacking in the prior Republican debates. There might be hope for the party just yet.

And Jon from Sacremento: You cannot vote twice in that poll. Trust me, some people have tried just to test FOX's claims that people were spamming the poll. If you send a vote from the same phone, you get a message saying your vote was rejected.

I can understand disagreeing with Paul's arguments, but why are people so afraid to admit that he actually has a lot of (grassroots) support? He also does not have much in the way of staff; when Paul supporters write on message boards or vote in online polls, you can be pretty confident that they are not associated with the campaign. Those signs you see on the freeway, for instance, were not placed there by the campaign, but by this guy named Bob working out of his garage who really believes in Paul.

To clarify a few things:

Paul does not advocate passengers carrying guns on planes. He wants airlines to decide their own policies. So if an airline wants passengers to carry weapons, that's the airline's choice (and your choice to fly or not to fly with them). However, his point about preventing 9/11 is that, ideally, the airline staff would be armed to defend themselves, which would keep al Qaida from even thinking they could get away with taking over the planes.

Also, let's remember that our federal government has gathered intelligence and sent out spies long before the CIA was created. The State Department can continue intelligence investigations without the CIA. So don't think dismanteling the CIA means we'll suddenly be blind and dumb.

So we invade Iraq, thousands of innocents die, billions of dollars are wasted, most of the world turns against us, and Hucklebee compares this to a kid breaking a toy in a toy shop? What an IDIOT!

More spin by the Main Stream Media to cut down Ron Paul. For those of you who watched the entire debate, we all know that the exchange did not end on Huckabee's one liner. This article is skewed to make it seem like Huckabee won the exchange.

If you are going to write an article, please do not leave out the parts that don't fit your spin on the story. It shows a lack of integrity on the part of journalists that many people in our nation are starting to despise.

Jon from Sacramento: You would be considered a genius except if you had actually tried voting last night you would have realized that fox news is smarter than you and only allowed one vote per person. Not 2 not 1000, but ONE.

Huckelberry is not a bad guy—just very much behind Ron Paul in understanding the U.S. Constitution. All those other clowns on stage are light-years behind Ron Paul in understanding the fundamental law of the land: the Constitution.

RONPAUL2008

Ron Paul – the psycho candidate that wants to make America safer by shutting down FBI and CIA!!

"For anybody who missed it, here are the results of the Fox News poll (via text messaging) for the winner of the debate on September 5″

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Yep – shows you what 1,000 Ron Paul supporters could do by repeatedly texting in his name 20-30 times each.

Ron Paul has as much chance of winning the Republican nomination as does Bill Clinton.

For anybody who missed it, here are the results of the Fox News poll (via text messaging) for the winner of the debate on September 5:
Paul 33%
Huckabee 18%
Giuliani 15%
McCain 14%
Romney 12%
Hunter 2%
Tancredo 2%
Brownback 1%

I find it interesting that Fox News briefly flashed the results on the TV screen, but I don't see any mention of this on their website. I don't think the people at Fox are happy about the poll results, especially Sean Hannity.

Congratulations Ron Paul on another great performance! Those other 7 (now Republican candidates can't match Ron Paul's wisdom and honesty.

Funny how the mainstream Republicans can get away with saying absolutely nothing. Ron Paul is a man of honor and the pretector of the US Constitution. How can any of these men take the oath to pretect the constitution and support the Patriot Act?

CNN didn't include Ron Paul's last statement that shut Huckabee down. Huckabee sucked up and went at it, but lost in the end. I'll give him credit for jumping in the water, but no one, not even the good Minister, can win against the Doctor's common sense. Ron Paul owned Huckabee, the other war mongers, and the FOX goons.

God Bless liberty, God Bless life, God Bless the pursuit of happiness…God Bless Ron Paul!!!! God bless the USA!!!!

That still doesn't mean that he doesn't have his "psycho" moments – like when he wants to allow airline passengers to be pack'in loaded weapons.

It seems that most of the issues for which Ron Paul gets mocked are ones in which he is misinterpreted. Once you know the facts – and it seems like Ron Paul ALWAYS knows the facts – most of what he says makes perfect sense.

As an example, he has never advocated having airplane passengers packing guns. What he suggests is letting the airlines make their own decisions about how they can best protect their passengers. That would almost certainly mean that pilots would have guns, but it's laughable to think that they would allow passengers on their planes with guns.

We don't have to look to far for supporting evidence. What was one of the very first things the government did after 9/11? They reinstituted the air marshall program, and it was almost unanimously approved by the public. I personally feel safer knowing that there might be an armed undercover law enforcement officer on my flight, and I'm quite sure the hijackers would have reconsidered if armed pilots and air marshalls were the norm.

I would encourage everyone who thinks this 20 year veteran of Congress is crazy to research his positions on the web, understand why he feels the way he does, and why his message resonates with the American public. Then make an informed decision, whether or not it is to support the Paul campaign.

Not admitting we can't win is more important then the election. I got the message, Huck!

Why is everyone here calling Ron Paul a Republican, are you all that desperate for some good news? He himself doesn't consider himself to be a Republican! Look it up. He's Libertarian.

I do appreciate his candor, but we must ask ourselves, if he were to be elected and won, would he maintain that truth and integrity, or would the trappings of power and the office swallow him whole?

I ask each of you who feel we should be there longer, to "make it right", would you cut a personal check to fund this effort?

It's easy when it it's hidden as national debt, which our most dangerous foe, China, purchases to gain a stronghold on our economy…
but if you had to make the effort to cut a check and pay for this war, would you?

Ron Paul is the only candidate that understands that the government needs to follow its own laws such as the Constitution before it goes looking for others' shortcomings.

We have already lost our 'honor' by engaging in an undeclared, unConstitutional war.

If the prognosis is wrong, you change the treatment – you don't 'stay the course' out of stubbornnes at the expense of the patient.

Further, if you want one country, indivisible, and 70% of our country believes we should LEAVE Iraq why are you arguing against them?

There's a good reason campaign donations for Ron Paul from active military personnel total more than all other candidates combined – our own military agrees with his message.

Ron Paul won that exchange, and the text message after-debate poll proves it.

I couldn’t believe the words that were coming out of Huckabee’s mouth. We broke it so we buy it? Since when did an entire country full of people become a piece of property? What if they DON’T want us to “buy” them?

To me a better analogy would go like this:

I think you’re about to hurt me so I attack you and now in serious medical trouble.

I feel bad so I try to get you better. After years of trying to “fix” you, you’re not getting any better – actually it’s possible the treatment I’m giving you is making you worse.

You get tired of me trying to help while making things worse, and say: JUST LEAVE ME ALONE!

No, I won’t leave you alone, I’ll keep “fixing” you to save my “honor.” I’m so honorable that I’m going to ignore your pleas, ignore the fact that my “fixing” is making things worse, and continue dictating your life.

Some honor.

CNN – what a hack job!
But even without Ron Paul's final response it is clear he won the exchange.
Slogans like "we are united", and "we broke it – we buy it" are all dandy while our kids are dying in the sands of Messopotamia so that neocons can delay the inevitable.

Ron Paul should be commended for his record, his honesty, and his bravery.

What I detect here is that Ron Paul has a healthy number of cyber fans ready to respond in concert to overwhelm any challenge to Rep. Paul and his opinion. Outside of the Oprah/Obama ticker item, no other recent ticker snipet has as many comments as this one (with the majority favoring Paul). This happened when CNN had an informal poll on who won the Iowa debate, with the Paul supporters voting him into second place. Unfortunately he didn't do as well in the REAL straw poll vote and he won't beat Huckabee in New Hampshire either. But hey this comment is near the 300th, so Paul supporters have done there duty and no one will read it anyway. Truth is Rep. Paul supporters are closet Democrats and will likely vote for Hillary.

Huckabee says it best. "Honor is more important than the Republican Party." If only all republicans (I am one, by the way) would think that way.

Does anyone think gas prices are out of control now? It will only get worse if we pull out of Iraq now. Wake up people! In this story alone we have elected officials admitting that they do not listen to their constituants (those who voted them into office)at all. Our political system is so fouled by greed over the all mighty dollar that it reeks to the heavens! This country needs to tend to it's own problems (i.e. illegal immigration; govt. spending; cleaner, cheaper energy, poverty, etc.).

Bottom line – Iraq is not the be-all-end-all topic that the Amercian Voter is concerned about. I mean why not grill them over allowing Mexican trucking companies on to our highways after that bill was defeated in the Senate? Why was the only coverage on this issue limited to (as far as I saw) a one time ticker on the bottom of the screen? Why aren't more people asking about that?

Pull the blinders off your eyes people!

Ron Paul- The only candidate that is concerned with preserving America's sovereignty, restoring our greatness, and protecting our homeland. The others have bought into a globalist agenda and have sold out to line their own pockets. Vote Paul 2008!!!

It is truly sad that kind of "patriotic" rhetoric Huckabee is using to avoid having to explain the truth is provoking cheers from the audience. This article is just another small hit-piece against Ron Paul. Unlike Huckabee and other talking heads, Ron Paul actually backs up everything he says with facts. He has a consistent voting record and is an honorable man. Taking him out of context like this and making him appear like some radical or defeatist is just more propaganda to avoid the truth that Ron Paul is the only person who can truly drag America out of this deep, dark hole. The saddest thing is that he might not be because the mainstream media wont acknowledge him because his hands aren't in their pockets.

Say what you will about who was right and who 'destroyed' who, but this was the first genuine, worthwhile moment I have seen in any debate so far, and it it was probably the most compelling thing to come out of this entire political season.

Ron Paul is the only candidate that makes any sense at this point.
They tried to make him look silly, but judging by the sound audience, the people are on his side.
Go Ron!

If Huckabee stopped worshipping how honorable he thinks he is maybe he would could get some wisdom in his mind as see lives are just being wasted and Muslim fanatics are just multiplying daily by our presence in Awreck. As a life long conservative I'll give the Republicans no more of my votes unless this Ron Paul is nominated!

The following statement by Huckabee "Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor" is terribly misguided. We have already lost our honor and the respect of the international community by invading Iraq under false pretenses. It's really about salvaging an almost unsalvagable war, and hoping in the many years to come, to regain respect of the world community.

Ron Paul wants to legalize the U.S. Constitution.

Seems convenient to say in the article that the only applause was for Huckabee. Paul also received loud applauses for his responses.

Ron Paul is the only candidate to speak the truth. Why sacrifice our fathers, friends, cousins, brothers, and neighbors lives because we're too proud to admit our government made a mistake? I can't let my family and friend's lives hang over my conscious using the absurd logic that Huckabee tried to spin. The people did not go to war- the government did.

Huckabee wants the people to support a government that refuses to support the people. It's a two way street and only Ron Paul understands this.

Hucksterbee.

Yeah sure, his honor.

Our blood and treasure.

Ron Paul. the only honest candidate! 2/3 rds of the people in this country want us out of the middle east and all the other candidates wnat to stay and keep our honer, How many body bags need to be filled to do this! Everything I hear is the SOS I heard in the 60's They died than for nothing and they are dying now for nothing. I have a suggestion for the new memorial for the ones killed there. shape it in a oil barrel, and place there names on it. It can be sized according to how many more will die to keep out Honor. Ron Paul the only one that makes since, and doesn't read from a prepared speach written by speach writers.

Yea I think it would be more appropriate to show a picture of Paul, not Huckabee. Call the article "Paul and Huckabee tussle on Iraq. Paul wins post debate text poll by a landslide."

hey where is the rest of the play by play i remember Paul having the last words not Mike Hucubee. i suggest people watch the debate again and see what Paul said @ the end of this heated discussion between the 2 GOP hopefuls-

Huckabee was great as usual. He is only one that I trust.

Mike Huckabee is the continuance of ignorance in this country. Yes, we must "stand as one". But remember, we did not want this war "as one". Republicans have lost their minds!! It's as though they are saying the same thing over and over again in order to brainwash the general public. Didn't they realize it didn't work in Vietnam?

Cable King wrote:

Ron Paul [...] That still doesn't mean that he doesn't have his "psycho" moments – like when he wants to allow airline passengers to be pack'in loaded weapons.

I actually agree with him and think this would be a good idea. Face it, if a terrorist or someone intent on doing harm makes it aboard the aircraft with a weapon, he can rest assured he;s the only guy packin' heat. If he has to look around and decide which of the other passengers may or may not be packin' his task becomes far more difficult.

The argument that a stray bullet may hurt an innocent bystander loses traction, lose one or two, or lose the whole plane plus whatever it is flown into. Had passengers been armed during 9/11, there's a good chance we wouldn't be at war now or even having this discussion.

Instead, we have to strip before getting on an airplane and can't even take our toothpaste with us (unless it's in a Ziploc bag, what's the point there?). Of course, guns wouldn't have helped the Lockerbie incident, but it wouldn't have hurt either.

Think about it for a while.

Well, well. Surprise, surprise, the 100 people in the US supporting Ron Paul have shown up to comment. I find it hilarious that this guy can't get much more than 1% support, but when it comes to the internet or text message voting, all of a sudden he is the greatest. I do have to congratulate the man on having dedicated staffers, but the truth is Ron Paul is not the answer for this country (not that I think Huckabee is either!).

Way to go Paul if you are not careful you will be thrown out of the GOP for not speaking their message…keep in mind you belong to a party that ALLOWS you to only speak what you are told to speak or you are unamerican…I have to hand it to you I think it is great that you have the courage to speak your mind aginst the neo-conservatives..

Now this is a presidential debate between qualified candidates. Very much unlike the media circus put on by the otherside..

Ron Paul speaks the truth. I mean, saying we should stay because of "honor", where is the honor in occupying a country? Where is the honor in killing innocent men and women? where is the honor in have Dick Cheney and the Bush Family and their friends make billions on the blood of American Soliders.

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Huckabee's honor-over-party closing comment won the moment and, it being off-the-cuff, showed the kind of integrity that he has.
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If Huckabee believed in honor over party, he wouldn't be defending the Worst President Ever.

This is today's Republican party for you: the ONLY candidate, Paul, that speaks soberly and honestly about Iraq, is far behind vacillating idiots like Guiliani.

Huckabee, with his brainless "one nation under God" crap, is a jingoistic embarrassment, and is EXACTLY what this country doesn't need: a religiously-deluded nutcase that thinks we're "honoring" American soldiers by staying in an illegal, immoral war that's killing them by the thousands.

Tell me, Huckabee, how many of YOUR relatives are over in Iraq?

Creep.

There was an equal or more amount of applause for Ron Paul.

Guilani's laughing is yet another example of his elitist attitude.

Rudy's been married three times. Ron Paul's been married once for 50 years.

Ron Pauls serviced in the military, where was Rudy?

Ron Paul is man of principle, no one can argue that. If you don't like his positions that's one thing. But to call him names like crazy, idiot or whatever just shows how little some people know.

You will not find a member of Congress who can truthfully say they do not respect or admire him.

Which man carries more honor? Rudy or Ron?

What honor do we have other that to the oil wells that brought us there in the first place war on terror, came after the fact because now we have invited them into Iraq, so I ask Mr. Huckabee this war is not about a symbolic honor statement. The only honor I can think of is taking care of the young lives destroyed by a huge mistake this goverment has purposely made in under estimating the factions in Iraq. In reviewing the start of the war and aircraft carrier statement made by Bush how easy it was to enter Iraq these groups had a plan let the US troop enter the country so we can have target practice. Wake up Mr. Huckabee their was no honor in entering Iraq and none in leaving. How much longer should we be in this pandora's box.

huckkabee didn't say that last quote but said that honor is more important than the republican party. big difference..

We go down united with our honor.

Under Hillary Clinton.

Ron Paul is not a Republican – he's a libertarian, and a bit looney. If you are for the elimination of the FBI, CIA, Department of Education, Homeland Security, etc – vote for Ron Paul.

Huckabee clearly won that exchange. The American people – when reminded about our troops successes and our responsibility to Iraqis, cut-and-run candidates will be significantly marginalized.

Analogy:

A farmer was very protective of his livestock. Rumors of his unruly neighbor (Mr Vick) was training and keeping wolves, the farmer warned Mr Vick about the danger and his concern about his livestock. Mr Vick told the farmer to shove it and that if he came back his wolves would attack him. The next day one of the farmers sheep was dead – mauled by something – perhaps a wolf? The farmer broke through Mr Vick's fence, and burned down Mr vick's barn and destroyed all the (empty) kennels.

The farmer later learned it wasn't Mr Vick's animals that killed his sheep.

What was the farmer supposed to do now?

Cut-and-run club advice: "Sorry dude – good luck with that".

Finally… somebody stands up to the mini-America disciple Ron Paul!

I think this is the same woman who has been hood-winked more than once by similiarly duplicitous characters. Why would anyone with a brain care WHO she endorses. It could be Spot the dog, for all I care… But then again, I don't watch a lot of daytime TV while the rest of the world is working for a living…maybe she will get some of the slugs out to vote?

Ron Paul, I would be proud to cast my vote for you, just as I did in 1988. God bless our Republic! God bless our Constitution!

With Huckabee's logic, then we should have stayed in Vietnam until hell froze over and sacrificed thousands more of our servicemen's lives. This shows you why we are in the mess that we are. This is the kind of blind, inflexible, knee-jerk approach that this administration has used in the Iraq war. Instead of facing facts, reacting to and dealing with the reality of the sectarian strife in the country, instead of recognizing that there can not be a military solution to the situation in Iraq, this administration stubbornly continues a failed strategy. We do have to make it right and we cannot make it right. With this type of idiotic thinking, then failure should be piled on top of failure. If you are wrong, continue to be wrong, never admit your mistakes and fail on an even grander scale.

The real problem is that we are ignoring the war that should be fought in Afghanistan. The Taliban is stronger than ever and Al Qaeda's leadership is still in place. If we don't get out of Iraq and direct our attention to the right war in the right country, we are doomed to lose this war on terror.

Huckabee's argument is totally absurd on its face. It is typical of the deaf, dumb and blind approach to dealing with Iraq. Let the Iraqis fix this mess, believe me they don't want us in their country. They resent us as invaders who came in and attacked a country that presented no real security threat to us.

This is just another example of why we need to elect a Democrat in 2008. Ron Paul may be the only Republican candidate making any sense on the war in Iraq, but his party isn't listening. Republicans would rather hear the jingoistic nonsense spouted by the likes of Huckabee.

Hats off to Ron Paul! Undoubtedly he won the debate last night. Being republican, I voted for Sr. Bush and forced to vote for Jr. Bush one time only. But, if Ron is nominated, I'll vote for him. Or else, Hillary is my choice than the other jokers. These words like honor and integrity are just to attarct the voters and win party nomination. How many of these jokers have their sons and daughters are fighting in Iraq? I have no sympathy for the draft dodgers like Bush-Cheney-Rove who have pushed us into this mess for their own benefit and people like Huckabee are talking about Honor. True christians and republicans should throw these chickenhawks out.

The only thing I can say is: TRAITORS. The lies of this administration and this president, Paul Bremer,Colin Powell, Condolezza Rice, Dick Cheney have caused their own country to fall and put their brave countrymen in harms way. There should be an impeachment and a trial. That would fully honor the troops.
How are we going to honor the Iraqi dead?? Have the guts to let them settle their differences on their own and then deal with their government as it sorts itself out, not shove our democracy down their throats.

Ron clearly schooled the moderator on his comment that he(Ron Paul) gets his marching orders from the constitution and not from Al CIAda.lol. Way to go Dr. Paul. Best of luck to all the candidates ,but seriously Ron Paul brought his A game. "Those who would give up liberties for temporary security deserve neither" -Ben Franklin-

CNN, you didn't finish with what Ron Paul said. He got the last word! It's about 2:35 in, on the youtube video titled: Ron Paul @ Republican Fox Debate 9-5-07..

"We’ve lost over 5,000 Americans over there in Afganistan and in Iraq and plus the civilians killed. How many more do you want to lose? How long are you going to be there? What do we have to pay to save face? That’s all we’re doing is saving face. Its time we came home!"

Ron Paul is right. What is the cost of this country's honor? We have no respect or honor from foreign nations right now. I don't think pulling out will make us look much worse, but smart enough to know when to back off! Let them fight their own messes and lets put our country back together while we still can.

Ron Paul, the voice of conscience for the GOP, and the Dempocrats for that matters. He is the answer for American, gone badly astray. Blowback IS real, and the concequence to the invasiveness of US foreign policy gone off the constitution.

Continuing to have our troops killed for nothing doesn't sound very honorable. It is as if only victory will honor the dead is the American mentality. It worked well in Vietnam didn't it as we went from 10,000 dead to 20 and then we honored the dead with another 10,000 more to joing their ranks and then another 10 to join the previous 30 till we honored over 50,000 dead before we got the message. That logic is so flawed and just works by playing on people's patriotism and lover for this country. The only ones that won in Vietnam were defense contractors. Guess who are the only ones winning in Iraq. Yeah, the same bunch. Do our troops and their families a favor and bring them home. Gov. Huckabee is wrong. This isn't about honor – its about profits and the corruption at the US public's trough in Iraq and at home. Ron Paul is right – bring 'em home.

This is clearly a biased write up on their brief exchange, Alexander Mooney. Report don't spin. Huckabee made good Politically safe, catch phrase statements. Ron Paul Made excellent responses to Huckabees cliches, and Ron Paul got plenty of cheers as well. It was not one sided as you made it seem in your report.

"WE" didn't buy ANYTHING but "WE" are paying through the nose for this president's idiocy!Just because the insanity of this administration got us into this,that is absolutely no excuse to stay insane!Whether we leave today or a century from now,Iraqi's will continue to kill Iraqi's.They've been doing it for about 3,000 years now and they likely won't stop until there is only ONE Iraqui left standing.Huckabee is a prime example of exactly the type of lunatic that got us there in the first place.THANK GOD he will never be president!

Huckabee should be considered a forst-tier candidate. He put together another solid performance last night and managed to easily beat Paul in their Iraq tit-for-tat.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Mr. Huckabee is reinterating the "Powell Doctrine" "You break it…" Which is exactly why we can't just "up and leave.". Ron Paul is correct in stating that we can not blindly play "follow the leader" and stay there "indefinitly."

The above said, IMO, Iraq has become a proxy war of the religious differences between Sunni and Shia. (Saudi and Iranian, if you prefer.) With a little bit of al-Qaeda and Kurdish Independence thrown in for good measure. (Which will concern Turkey as well.)

The administration has already promised millions to both Israel and Saudi Arabia for arms.

We may have no alternative but to allow the folks from this region to "slug it out".

OR

We can suggest with help from Saudi Arabia, Syria and Turkey that the country be partitioned.

All in all this war has been a humanitarian and strategic disaster.
GWB should have listened to his Daddy!

This was a very interesting exchange between two candidates…neither of whom have even a miniscule chance of being nominated.

Both of these candidates have latched onto a political slogan. Ron Paul is wrapped in the Constitution and Mike Huckabee is shouting, "honor before everything."

The reality is that the war in Iraq has nothing to do with our honor nor our Constitution. It is about the day to day lives of millions of Iraqis and the choices that country will be making in the very near future, whether or not they have the courage to take control of their own destiny.

The war in Iraq is about a coalition of countries fighting a battle house to house day by day with an enemy that holds to a mentality that predates this country and our honor by more than a thousand years.

The honor of the United States is meaningless if the citizens of Iraq do not have the courage to become a working viable nation. The Constitution of the United States is nothing more than another piece of paper to the Iraqi people if their country collapses around their ears.

Huckabee and Paul can shake their fists and shout their slogans. Are the people of Iraq listening?

I watched the debate carefully and I am more sure than ever that Ron Paul is the only man on that podium that will never spin and spit out sound bites or political retoric.
Bravo to Dr. Paul

Bravo Ron Paul. He's the only Republican that gets it. Well, others (including Huckabee) might get it as well, but they're too busy touting the now imperialistic party line and reveling in their own stubbornness to admit it.

The bottom line is, further progress in Iraq is impossible, as any student of history will tell you. Sooner or later, Iraq will be ruled by another dictator. We’re simply delaying that process, and delaying it with American soldiers’ lives and trillions from American tax payers.

Huckabee’s “Break it bought it” analogy is just naive. If you accidentally break a lamp in a store, you buy the lamp. In Iraq, you can try and replace the lamp as many times as you want, but you’ll be shot at constantly while the lamp is broken time and time again. We can’t fix it, not to mention we broke it on purpose the first time. Believing the U.S. has the ability to nation build in the Middle East is just a sign of our growing imperial hubris.

Thanks again, Ron. And Huckabee, stop spewing that garbage of America being united – we are now more united AGAINST the Iraq war (70%) than for it! And as Paul said, how many more lives is it worth to save face, to stay “united” in a war that cannot be won?

I didn't make the mistake. Only a handful of people decided to go to war. AGAISNT THE US POPULATION AND THE WORLD THEY WENT TO WAR.

I for one will not stick by these elected people for the sake of "being one".

If we allow this kind of talk, a few people can enslave the rest of us claiming it's good for the gander.

Gov. Huckabee is repeating the same old line from Vietnam. It sounds as though Gov. Huckabee is repeating the policy line from Vietnam in hopes the public's memory does not go back that far. Congressman Paul is correct when he says: "When we make a mistake, it is the obligation of the people – through their representatives – to correct the mistake…" Afterall isn't this what the Founding Fathers wrote into the Constitution – "We the People…"?

Ron Paul is a nut case and I pray he dose not get the nomination. He has no idea of how to maintain and run a country. With that said I think Huckabee sounded closed minded. Bought and paid for by the republican party. Neither deserves a vote!

why was Paul's "saving face statement" omitted from this article? you did not publish the full exchange between the two.

I am not American. I cannot vote.

Nothing ever, anywhere, for any reason, can reaquire past grandeur, or the quintessential "honour". That's the stuff of Acadia and Acadians, not of power-grabbing partisan politics.

"Honor" is never a good reason to do anything. Would you marry someone for the sake of your honor? Could a bank sell you a loan by promising honor? Would you risk your health for honor? No way! We make important decisions using facts, logic, and reason. What we've seen here is a rhetorical exchange, which is fun like football, but Iraq is not a game, it's a war.

BRAVO RON PAUL
From a green voter in Austin, I respect your views on Iraq.
The fascists you're running among are an ignorant breed; quick to invoke God, quick to denounce those who disagree for lacking unity, patriotism or morals.
These lies have murdered Americans and Iraqis alike.
Out of Iraq!

To honor our troops, to honor our country, to honor American people and to honor Iraqs, we need a full investigation of who hijacked our foreign policy and started an UNCONSTITUTIONAL war under a major FRAUD.

When our troops are being killed, because of war crimes committed by neo-cons, the solution is to take neo-cons to trial, not keeping our troops under fire and keep them being killed in Iraq. It is simply insane.

The neo-cons are in cozy offices in DC planning next war to have many more of our troops killed. They play laptop wars, while our troop takes bullets and IEDs.

American Deaths: 3,752
American Wounded: 27,767
The War in Iraq Costs: $449 billion and counting.

Sources: http://www.nationalpriorities.org/Cost-of-War/Cost-of-War-3.html
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
http://antiwar.com/casualties/#count

Apparently, the Republicans have one relatively sensible candidate, Ron Paul.

Mr. Huckabee, President Bush and Republicans in Congress own the Iraq war and all its consequences. Bush would not have invaded under false pretenses if he had honor. He unleashed a struggle for power and we can't stop it. Americans should not be killed trying to keep muslims from murdering each other. There is nothing in Iraqi culture to suggest they want American-style democracy.

If you look up the term "integrity" in the dictionary, you'll likely find a picture of Mike Huckabee next to it. That comment, "We bought it because we broke it," shows that he is not only down to earth, but is also a responsible politician in an era where nobody wants to take responsiblity for anything. It makes you wonder just why the hardcore Republicans are ignoring this responsible conservative from Arkansas. I'm a left-leaning independent, but I'll tell you this– given the opportunity, I'll vote for Mike Huckabee any day.

The most telling quote from this entire Iraq saga came a couple of weeks ago from the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq. She asked why Bush is planning a wedding while she is planning a funeral.

We are a divided nation, and the worst division of all, IMHO, is the division of sacrifice.

Ron Paul deserves kudos for proving that no one is right or wrong all of the time. That still doesn't mean that he doesn't have his "psycho" moments – like when he wants to allow airline passengers to be pack'in loaded weapons.

Another retort is for the gentleman who wants the grunts on the ground to be dictating foreign policy – that's not their job. desciption

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." – Thomas Jefferson.

Thank goodness there are some like Ron Paul out there with good conscience, willing to speak up for the truth. Under the Bush Administration and other Republicans willing to continue more of the same, what we've got is tyranny.

Paraphrasing:

Paul: "How many lives do we need to sacrifice to save face?"
Huckabee: "Saving face (our honor) is worth as many lives as it takes."

I'm with Paul on this one. Paul is clearly the only GOP candidate that understands foreign policy, the Middle East, and economics.

It also helps that the facts back up Paul (the 9/11 commission, for example) and not the lines Huckabee is trying to feed us, even with his trying to twist things into a seemingly consistent ethic and honor. We've already lost our honor and respect, that is what paul was getting at. Continuuing this mess will only cause us to lose more respect, not restore it. The only way to restore our respect is to admit we made a mistake and go home, and change our policy to prevent more of the same mistakes from being made (Iran, anyone?)

Huckabee is proving that his strong "pro-life" stance only extends to the extent that it can get him elected, but when it comes to American soldiers and innocent Iraqis, he'll kill as many as it takes to make him and his neoconservative buddies (Bush, Romney, Thompson, McCain, etc) look good.

Its nice to see someone (Paul) that understands the issues and works to resolve them rather than just quoting rote party rhetoric.

If you aren't familiar, Paul on YouTube is a great place to start…

Wow, Huckabee is a guy I would not want to see as president. At least Ron Paul called out the neo-cons and the war being fought for them and the policy of the CFR. And no one should pay any attention to the people and media who try to suppress that fact. The people that swallow that bull are the ones calling Ron Paul a psycho or looney. It is about time people educate themselves on these issues and not believe all of the media hogwash and see that there is a very shady reason we are in Iraq and about to go after Iran. Look into the SPP with Mexico and Canada and the loss of soverignty the USA will experience in this North American Union. These neo-con globalists are up to some sketchy things and political party does not matter, the Dems and GOP are both in favor of it.

Ron Paul … we need more people like him running for office … then maybe this country could become again what it once was.

Ron Paul—WOW !!!!!! As a Republican, I had lost all respect for my party—That is, until you came along. Someone that speaks with common sense and intelligence !!!!! If Ron Paul is nominated, I will vote Republican again !!!!

The best part about this entire debate was when the fox news 'moderators' mockingly asked congressman Paul if he "takes his marching orders from Al Quada" when he said our troops should leave the arabian peninsula in order to reduce terror recruiting, to which the congressman responded "NO…..I take my marching orders directly from the CONSTITUTION!"

These guys, with the exception of Dr. Paul, have no idea about foreign policy or terrorism. Tancredo said that he doesnt believe that the reasons why we were attacked on 9/11 (which the fact that we meddle in the affairs of arab nations, as acknowledged by the CIA, 9/11 commission report, and terrorism experts) were true because the "Just want to kill us." It's unreal how these guys are able to ignore FACTS.

I think it's pretty obvious who won the debate….the only guy on stage who told the truth and didnt resort to simply sticking to his talking points (McCain has said in every debate that he will make pork barrel spending bill authors famous). RON PAUL '08

This is the first time I have heard a politician speak sensibly and it seems honestly – whether you agree with Mr. Huckaby or not. Mr. Paul said "…it's the obligation of the people — through their representatives — to correct the mistake…." Well, I don’t see them doing that either. It’s interesting to see how many Republicans are jumping on the Democrats’ band wagon. Too bad they didn’t speak up before this! Politics as usual.

Huckabee needs to realize that America has already lost it's honor. Waging a war thousands of miles away based on lies and continuing it basically because the republicans don't want to admit defeat. Sometimes it's o.k and honorable to admit we were wrong and get the heck out.

Ron Paul clearly won that exchange. There is absolutely no honor in allowing more U.S. troops and innocent Iraqi people to die for an unjust, unconstitutional war.

If Mike Huckabee is so passionate about
the war in Iraq, then he should get a
gun and go over there. Let him risk
his life for the honor he is so
passionate about.

Divided WE Stand ;United We Fall-Thomas Jefferson

"Clearly the more educated about foreing policy…" Ahhhhh irony.

At any rate, I think they both made interesting cases and this was the highlight of the debate, a point where it actually was a debate. Too often these things are just glorified grandstanding or brief ads for the candidates.

Wow, so we're one nation again. Now that you need the rest of us, that is. As it happens, L. Ron Paul is perfectly right here: this is the neocons' crusade against Islam, not America's war on terrorism. Remember Afghanistan? Osama? 9-11? Huck, MY honor's not at stake here. It's yours.

CNN is just another mainstream media that censored that debate.
They cut out the last piece of the argument when Ron Paul said we're still there because we are saving face.

Ron Paul’s Foreign policy (complete withdraw of US Troops out of the Middle East) would cause chaos in that Region, which would bring more of a threat to America’s Homeland. I have a brother-in-law serving in Iraq and he and his fellow soldiers believe in bringing stability to Iraq and not letting it become a harbor for terrorist. Lets start listening to our soldiers and stop listening to politicians that have an agenda. On the other hand Mike Huckabee showed integrity and courage to do what is right even if it is not the popular view.

I agree with almost every other comment made here – its deplorable for Mr. Huckabee to call for the entire United States go down with the sinking ship known as Iraq. The best way to correct a mistake is to LEARN from it – and NOT do it again. Obviously we didn't learn from Vietnam. We lost this war we should have never started – there's no honor in letting our brave men and women return home before they, too die for nothing. But this entire argument about when or how or why we should leave is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT – Iraq is still (barely) a sovereign nation as i recall. And i'm pretty sure they do not want us there. So really, honestly – why are we still there? Lets hold those neoconservative beasts RESPONSIBLE for their actions – and let the Iraqis deal with them! That would be a truly new day in America.

I thought Ron Paul came off better in this exchange, especially if you hear the whole thing (this article only reports about half of it).

Unfortunately, Ron Paul is the Dennis Kucinich of the Republican party. He has some great ideas, but he was instantly marginalized in the media and has no prayer of ever winning the nomination, much less the election.

I don't like all of Ron Paul's ideas, but he's dead on about this war.

It's sobering to see that not everyone has fallen in love with Huckabee based upon his comment.

What the Media fails to comprehend is that Ron Paul won that exchange by using REASON rather than appealing to emotion. Bombing Iraq into oblivion with "Shock and Awe" was not honorable. Following the law of this land vis a vis the Constitution is honorable. Unfortunately, we currently have elected officials that feel otherwise.

There is no question but Ron Paul spoke for the Founding Fathers loud and clear. I personally suggest that America's honor was lost from the very begginning by going to war under bogus evidence, Mr. Huchebee! I will stay away from voting unless he, Ron Paul becomes the nominee. For the record, I am a Staunch Conservative Christian Republican, totally finished with George W. and his mandhandlers, that of Cheney, etc.

In my view, Mike Huckabee gained stature among the presidential hopefuls, and Ron Paul put himself out of contention.

Why don't they ask Ron Paul REAL questions like why does he think the Fed's central banking should be abolished? Why does he think the unconstitutional IRS should be abolished? And why should we reduce our 8.9 trillion dollar national debt?!!!

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This is precisely why Ron Paul is being censored by mainstream media.

Don't you think that every working American would be interested in Ron Paul's message of abolishing the IRS and the Fed? OK. Maybe not.

However, Ron Paul also would eliminate income tax! Wow! Do you not think that would be of interest AND FANATICAL INTEREST by every single American? So why do they keep publishing content on Britney, Paris, Lindsay, and give more freaking air time to Fred Thompson, who, until today, wasn't even RUNNING!?!?! Or from the latest CNN news headlines today (as of 10:20am EST):

"5 mistakes parents make with newborns"
"Mom attacked by pit bull puts baby in trash"
"Killer counted to 3, then shot dad, girl says"
"J. Lo gets $545K in suit against ex-hubby"
"Peeping Tom wants $10k porn stash back"

No wonder we know nothing. Don't you think a headline like this would be appealing?:

"Ron Paul would eliminate income tax"

Why are they not reporting this? Because they have been instructed not to.

For Mr. Huckabee to cloak himself in honor shows either his shallow, reflexive mind or the minds of Americans that would do the same.
Dr. Paul is correct. Bad policy is to blame and it is our duty to vote the neocons OUT of office. Furthermore, I find it interesting how CONCERNED everyone has become about the well-being of Iraq. We absolutely destroyed the Iraqis going in and no one seemed to mind. In fact, the overall feeling was "The more bombs the better." The feebleminded, loathsome neocons will say anything to get the masses to follow marching orders and, sadly, those same masses respond to utter nonsense words like "honor". It's scary to think that Americans are so brainwashed. God Bless Ron Paul for shining some truthful light in on the subject.

Yes, with illegals flooding our southern border, segregation and racism still going strong, and governmental bickering abound…oh yea Mike…we're more united than ever. And if you believe that I have some beautiful ocean-front property in Arizona to sell you…

Ron Paul is a loony.

Abolish our intelligence agencies? Find one other responsible leader of either party who agrees with that.

Yes, Tanya Brand, let's unite in honor as thousands of more US troops die, as our country becomes entrenched in debt by the trillions, as we try and force our beliefs on other people. Let's stand by as one nation, under God as our country is disintegrating before our very eyes; let's unite and let this endless disaster continue.

You ought be ashamed of yourself with your simpleton thinking. Your trite and ignorant thinking will be the end of this country. But you continue, you know, united and under God.

Ron Paul pretty much tells it like it is. He may be a little eclectic at times, but he isn't afraid to tell the stark truth and not pander to the audience [and, nationally, to the people] like the other candidates do. I know he hasn't a ghost of a chance of being elected, and maybe that's a good thing, but it doesn't mean he isn’t making an honest and true point about Iraq and Neo-Con concepts and actions in general. Further, Bret Hume, a stanuch Neo-Con supporter, was openly smirking and mocking Ron Paul at one point in the questioning, which shows how "fair and balanced" a certain news network really is.

"You break it, you fix it" is the reason America's allies were disinclined to get involved in the Iraq war. See the thread schadenfreude in strategytalk.org

Ron Paul's thinking clearly: the others ain't. Pure and simple.

This administration has been arrogant and ignorant; two traits you will find in a fool, will you look to a fool for answers? So how can we fix this? We CAN'T! We don't know how and we have no right.

Our presence will only make things worse not better, it's true that Iraq will go thru severe turmoil if we leave but it is nothing they haven't gone thru before with or without us, this is a land that makes our nation look like pups, it was here before the Roman Empire rose and it be here long after the American empire has fallen.

In the end Iraq will be Iraq, no better no worse.

Go Ron Paul. One nation under God, one nation with 36 million people living in poverty, including 13 million children (the highest child poverty rate of the 18 industrialized nations) one nation including 33 million households without an adequate supply of food, one nation with 47 million people without health insurance…Nothing broke here in the good ole US of A, let's keep focusing on the war of lies.

That's it. Its honor. Thats all that matters. There is great honor in death. Don't admit defeat, it would be honorable to just turn around and declare "We won". Even if we lose lives, resources, respect, support and money, we shouldn't lose honor.

And indeed we are one nation under God – The God of war.

First, I'd like to thank CNN for deleting my message.

And second, I would like to ask Gov. Huckabee what exactly is "leaving with honor"? Is that when we've lost 10,000 of our men and women? Or is that after we've emboldened the enemy even further? Or perhaps it is after we have bankrupted the nation?

If was a mistake to go, then it is a mistake to stay. We have to realize this and come to our senses. Our job in Iraq is done, we did what we had to do. What is left now is for us to allow the Iraqis to form their government and get on with their lives.

Why are we still there? To get a government we like? I guarantee that if it a government we like and does what we say, it will be a government the Iraqis hate and will want to ovethrow. And we will be back at square one. We've "won" there, it is done. Let us not lose more men and women for nothing.

"We've got a responsibility to the honor of this country and the honor of every man and woman who has served in Iraq and our military to not leave them with anything less than the honor they deserve."

The honour they deserve? The folks that serve our country deserve a full scale investigation (akin to the Nuremberg trials) that will haul all those responsible for putting them in harms way to fight a war with trumped up "evidence" to fight a country that never posed a threat to our nation.

"Congressman, we are one nation. We can't be divided. We have to be one nation under God. That means if we make a mistake, we make it as a single country."

What? This statement is utterly ludicrous! Does that mean we continue the mistake? Wow. Does that mean America's secret wars to depose of leaders of other countries in the last 50 years were committed by all Americans, who of course had no knowledge of these events? Does that mean we are responsible for the Iraq War started by the Bush Administration without the consent of Congress – our elected representatives? Does that mean every German was responsible for what the Nazis did to the Jews? Oh my God. Huckabee horrifies me.

"Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor."

We already have around the world and internally. Let's restore honour to the military mothers and fathers who saw their children die in a war that was started illegally and unconstitutionally by prosecuting those who had an active hand in creating this monster. Let them know that their children did not die in vain by implementing justice against those who perpetrated this unethical, immoral war.

That wasn't the whole confrontation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvTvt1UO_QI

Ron Paul won in this confrontation hands down. I wish this article could be more accurate.

From 1892 to 1954 we were not "one nation under God, indivisible" we were just "one nation indivisible." So stop treating this phrase like the founding fathers wrote it.

Ron Paul is right this country should not pay for the lies of a few. (P.S. Vietnam got itself on track without our meddling)

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. – James Madison

Thank God for Ron Paul to bring reality to the rest of the Republicans and call them on their ignorance. Imagine if he wasn't there. You would just have a bunch of guys drinking the Bush coolaid.

Ron Paul made a better argument and clearly was the more educated about foreing policy.

Hmmm…
"We have to leave with honor"

Interesting comment Mr. Nixon…oops…I mean Huckabee…

Ron Paul won the debate.

Rudy & Mitt lost.

In response to "We have dug a hole for ourselves and we have dug a hole for our party. We are losing elections, and we are going down next year if we don't change it." I for one could care less about how the party is affected but it is time we quit killing people for the sake of the party. When you make a mistake don't continue throwing bodies as the solution but admit you have made a mistake. It is time for the people of Iraq to decide if they want freedom or not and start fighting for it. They have had long enough to decide so it is time for Iraq to get off the pot.

What is the deal with the FOX (Faux) media? Why is it that they have to boost Giuliani's giggling over the supporting applause whenever Ron Paul speaks?

Why don't they ask Ron Paul REAL questions like why does he think the Fed's central banking should be abolished? Why does he think the unconstitutional IRS should be abolished? And why should we reduce our 8.9 trillion dollar national debt?!!!

Mr. Huckabee, we lost our "honor" a long time ago thanks to decades of terrible foreign policy, and more recently seven years of this incompetent and arrogant administration. What don't we stop with the cheap plays toward emotion and come up with some rational solutions in our best interest rather than just making us feel good about ourselves.

If we must keep enduring the likes of
all the "Huckabees" in the works, then
the nation may be better off divided. The Iraq fiasco was indeed the result of of the neo-cons, with an agenda that was kept secret, and shoved down the throats of the American public. Huckabee's religous reference ("we must be one nation under god")is equally disturbing, as I'm an athiest.
The neo-cons have succeeded in ruining
my life of travel, as travelling as an
"American" has become completely embarassing. Yes, Iraq is a mess – and it is the neo-cons fault – but the only
way it can be fixed at this point, is from within. I'm for financial aid, but it is up to Iraq to use it wisely and rebuild. Our continued presence is
only perpetuating, and influencing further enlistment of otherwise non-politically involved citizens, into extremism, and counter-productive activities.

"We've got a responsibility to the honor of this country and the honor of every man and woman who has served in Iraq and our military to not leave them with anything less than the honor they deserve."

The honour they deserve? The folks that serve our country deserve a full scale investigation (akin to the Nuremberg trials) that will haul all those responsible for putting them in harms way to fight a war with trumped up "evidence" to fight a country that never posed a threat to our nation.

"Congressman, we are one nation. We can't be divided. We have to be one nation under God. That means if we make a mistake, we make it as a single country."

What? This statement is utterly ludicrous! Does that mean we continue the mistake? Wow. Does that mean America's secret wars to depose of leaders of other countries in the last 50 years were committed by all Americans, who of course had no knowledge of these events? Does that mean we are responsible for the Iraq War started by the Bush Administration without the consent of Congress – our elected representatives? Does that mean every German was responsible for what the Nazis did to the Jews? Oh my God. Huckabee horrifies me.

"Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor."

We already have around the world and internally. Let's restore honour to the military mothers and fathers who saw their children die in a war that was started illegally and unconstitutionally by prosecuting those who had an active hand in creating this monster. Let them know that their children did not die in vain by implementing justice against those who perpetrated this unethical, immoral war.

Ron Paul is anything but psycho — he's a long-awaited voice of reason when it comes to foreign and economic policy. He's way, way ahead of all other Republican candidates, most of whom are only "disagreeing" with the Bush administration because it's an election year.

Typical Republican politicians! They keep preaching about values, about one nation under God and a united America yet they have allowed the U.S. Mint to relegate "In God We Trust" and "E Pluribus Unum" to the thin outside edge of the new presidential coins. Hypocrites! Their only God is money.

Huckabee, though attempting to be noble, comes off as being extremely naive and "politics as usual," full of political rhetoric.

Paul, on the other hand, comes off as the more intelligent and honest of the two, by far.

Mr. Huckabee seems to have peaked with his clown act at the Iowa straw poll carnival. He is still carrying water for Bush's war policy. Thanks once again to Ron Paul for making the distinction between business as usual and new directions.

Count me w/ "psycho" Ron Paul on this one also.

If there is a God, I doubt that Huckabee speaks for him.

Huckabee should answer his calling and start producing weight loss comercials

3753 killed in Iraq as of todays numbers…

this summer has seen more soliders flown home in body bags than any subsequent summer since the onset of this 'war' in Iraq…

why doin't we end this now and bring them home?

Dr. Paul won the exchange and the debate with his defense of the Constitution.

Thank you Mr. Huckabee for standing for more than just politics. Thank you for reminding us that we are one nation under God.

I see how he puts honor and pride over human life which by the way is an unchristian thing to do.

That was just absolute nonsensical, naive rhetoric by the Arkansas governor.

"One nation under God" what a joke, we are not a nation under God, never was, that is a pretense used by politicians like the "Senator Craig’s" of this country to bamboozle the American people and the tragic part is that it actually works.

Iraq was a colossal mistake, doesn't take a rocket scientist or a historian to figure that out.

Just like a republican, always trying to shift blame or change the rules of engagement, the main reason was about Weapons of mass destruction, now it's about stopping a civil war or Iranian dominance or terrorism-"emboldening the enemy", or democracy or is it our reputation and honor?

My name may be Roger but let it not be confused with Mr. Rogers in the Land of make believe because it's plain and simple, this war is about arrogance and ignorance.

Once again, CNN just reporting the news they want you to hear. After Huckabee's last statement, Paul declared something along the lines of 'Thousands of American troops have died, many Iraqi civilians too, and you want to sacrifice more to save face?' Any reason Mooney you didn't put that in there???

I agree with Senator Huckabee that we let a bull into the china shop and we will be paying for a very long time for what was broken.

So our honor is more important than the lives of American troops. Nice try mr. Huckabee, but your emotional appeal is a joke at best.

btw those neocons roaring in the crowd didnt fool anyone.

We've dug ourselves a hole, and Huckabee thinks the answer is to get a a bigger shovel. I've not heard a single person actually responsible for this mess take accountability for it. Our military did everything asked of them and should come home victorious with only a small force left there to help manage the ensuing humanitarian crisis.

Honor? A Presidential candidate discussing honor? How refreshing. Most Americans may need to google that word to remember what it means. Huckabee clearly won that exchange and Paul came off looking like the loony moonbat that he is.

Ron Paul speaks the truth. Anyone justifying this war by saying "we broke it, we fix it" is saying keep our troops there indefinitely to be maimed and die.

We didn't agree to this war. The politicians, in their laziness about researching the truth, did.

It's time we fixed them.

Bravo Ron Paul! He is the only Republican with the guts to say that fighting in Iraq was a mistake and we cannot correct that mistake by prolonging our involvement. We need a change in Washington and Ron Paul is the right man at the right time.

I want to thank the gentleman from Arkansas and the gentleman from Texas for crystallizing the issue. We stay to honor our promises or we pull out because it was a mistake to go in. I want to thank Pres. Bush for similarly clarifying his reasons for being in Iraq: (1) to engage the enemy outside American soil, and (2) to spread an ideology of freedom in the middle east. I want to thank Hillary and Barack and Bill and John and all the rest of the candidates for demonstrating that we have a better way of determining policy than at the barrel of a gun or the blast of a bomb. Makes you wonder why we didn't use it to remove the braggart of Baghdad. I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that the last two Texans with simplistic answers to world problems got us into a whole lot of trouble, and I don't want to do it with another one, trouble or Texan.

Huckabee is trying to appeal to Christian conservatives that support Bush and the war. However, Ron Paul is taking the truly Christian position on the war. We preemptively attacked another country that was not threatening us directly. Ron Paul would have been the first to vote for a declaration of war if Iraq had attacked us first, but as Christians we should never support an aggressive war.

Ron Paul should have responded along the lines of, "A false sense of honor and the desire to save face kept America stuck in Vietnam 15 to 20 years too long. We learned the lesson once and that is enough! You can not save face in an unjust war."

Ron Paul is a medical doctor. As he has said before, "If I discover that I have made a wrong diagnosis as a physician, and am therefore giving the wrong treatment, it is my obligation to CHANGE to treatment, not continue it." (or words to that effect)

The idea that our national honor is at stake in a civil war between Shia and Sunni Iraqis is absurd. Thank goodness that there is at least one politician who has the good sense to recognize this.

Bravo Ron Paul!

The governor has my vote but for a different reason than he might think.

Our actions have produced hideously ugly unintended consequences. Look at what we did to the Iraqis: tens of thousands (perhaps several hundred thousand) dead, many more injured, 2 1/2 million refugees, 1+ million internally displaced persons, enormous numbers of widows and orphans, a large swath of middle class impoverished, very high unemployment, a new haven for the extremists and many other unpleasant results.

Having done all this, don't we have a responsibility to try to make it aright?

I'm not a fan of Ron Paul at all – but I certainly stand with Ron Paul on that comment – good to see that at least one republican does not have foggy perception of Iraq.

Only Americans could fall for so many corny, 1950's superficial propaganda comments. All politicians / leaders who advocate war should be made to fight with the soldiers on the front. If the republicans were up for election here they wouldn't even make the 5% minimum to get a seat in parliament. Warmongers are out, environmentally friendly is in.

AND THEN…..Ron Paul said:

"We have lost over 5000 Americans over there in Afghanistan and Iraq, plus the civilians killed. How many more do you want to lose? How long are we going to be there? What do we have to pay to save face? All we're doing is saving face. It's time we came home."

Ben,

Our soldiers never die for nothing. We honor the memory of those who have fallen best by completing the mission, not surrendering. Ron Paul may be fun to watch, but his ideas would harm this country greatly. We need strength from our president, not retreat.

Mike Huckabee needs to realize that it is 2007 heading to 2008 and reality is showing, not 2003 when lies rang true.

Mr. Huckabee is, as far as I am concerned, not up on the times! America is, sadly, divided and as far as the GOP goes..a saying comes to mind…"There is no honor among thieves".

Both Paul and Huckabee had good points with that exchange. Unfortunately for Paul, it demonstrated his lack of understanding on several things: how quickly one can move 160,000 troops anywhere as well as their equipment, that the world perceives it as an American war despite it being the brain child of the Neo-Cons, those as well as the idea that it American troops that are doing most of the heavy lifting.

Paul does point out that the Neo-Cons forced the rest of America into the war. There is no getting around that. Huckabee needs to understand that there needs to be a strategy that can be articulated to the American public other than, "you broke it, you bought it." We did break it, but we need to have idea of where to put the pieces as well as what kind of glue we need.

That wasn't the entire exchange. Where the article cuts off, Ron Paul replies along the lines of: we're saving face. We're losing American lives so we can just save face.

"Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor." and "We bought it because we broke it." Shows a man who uses common sense. I only wish there was more of that.

I have a real problem with the mother who left her 2 yr old in the car all day. No charges pressed because it was "accidental" The reason is because there are so many who relate to the stress of the day. Why didn't the babysitter call & ask where the child was?
Also why are we ending Vic's life over a dog fight when this mother who accidental or not killed her baby. You say that's different he intentionally did it…did he? did he know it was wrong? I am sure if the mother was asked if leaving a child in the car is wrong she would say yes. Sorry the mother needs to be charged. Unless we have arrived where a dog's life is more important than a childs life. Again we are picking & choosing what law pertains to whom. Just like trying not to incarcerate Paris Hilton…the public spoke out & they changed their minds. Judging??? Our court systems are based on judging guilty or not guilty…send it to the courts put her in jail then bring the case up in a court of law & then the jurors based on the evidence presented will judge wheither she is guilty or not…but to just say she feels really bad & I think she will have to live with this the rest of her life is a crock…

Huckabee can fix it on his own after he loses his bid for the presidency.

If you believe by advocating running away from the issue is winning the argument then maybe you are right. But what I saw is a candidate making a solid argument for the need to stay and finish a job that we got stuck deep in the middle of. By the way the 9/11 Commission Report, which you don't seem to have read fully simply argues that faulty intelligence was the issue, not that we should abandon the effort. Maybe you meant the Iraq Study Group report….even that didn't advocate an immediate withdrawal though it did briefly mention it as an option.

Although Mike Huckabee is advocating a position disliked by Americans according to opinion polls the facts are as follows. Iraq was less of a threat before we invaded, we went into Iraq based on faulty and skewed intelligence, without the presence of American troops the security and safety of the Iraqi people would severely diminish, us leaving now would lead to a civil war that would not have happened had we not invaded but would be unavoidable without the American troops there. We shouldn't have invaded the country but we did, as they say in any antique store "you break it you buy it", it is our responsibility to allow our troops to finish the job with the support of the American people and its leaders working hard to bring about a political solution in the country.

Ron Paul was right. To continue sacrificing American blood in order to simply save face is a fool's policy. We went there predicated on a series of lies and false pretenses in violation of our own Constitution. There is no quotient of further deaths that can resolve those infamies and somehow imbue the entire affair with honor.

Mr. Huckabee won, hands down….

I'm very surprised that all those conservative looking for 'alternatives' to the increasingly flawed 'front-runners' are not looking at Mike Huckabee.

Hopefully after last night, he gets some well-deserved atention….

Ron Paul, seems to be the only voice of reality at these debates; Republican or Democratic. It's frightening to read there were "roars" and "cheers" over Huckabee's statements. It just shows how easily manipulated the public is with cries of nationalism.

Huckabee is also deluded into the Democracy mindset. As if the "people" voted to go to Iraq. This is a Republic! We elect the officials, and the officials make the choice. Often, even if we don't like it, for the good or for the bad. The only democratic part of our system is in our election process. If you mess up, we vote you out.

Ron Paul gets it. We're unhappy, and he's the only voice of change.

Funny, they didn't report the whole debate. It didn't end with Huckabee's "Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor." statement.

The choice the Republican Party has to make next year: Ron Paul or oblivion.

They're so willing to sacrifice others for honor. Maybe they should just do us all a favor and perform Seppuku on themselves like the Samurai do and sacrifice THEMSELVES to save their honor!

Ron Paul is a nut job.

Although I'm not voting for him in the New Hampshire Primary, Huckabee did a fabulous job last night and came across as presidential. He improved his standing the most.

Congressman Paul–by suggesting 9/11 wouldn't have happened if people could take guns on planes–finally achieved "escaped mental patient" status.

That stage is for serious candidates and Ron Paul shouldn't be there.

So we should have stayed in Vietnam for "honor" as well then? I believe the families of our soldiers would prefer live returnees than dead ones tagged "honorable" by politicians with no personal stake in the fighting itself.

Ron Paul speaks intelligently, explaining his positions clearly on every issue. In this instance Dr. Paul was doing more of the same in the face of Huckabee trying to score political points with his his "American Honor" rhetoric. BTW, there is nothing honorable about an incorrect foreign policy that is responsible for more than one hundred thousand deaths.

Huckabee's machismo will win him the support of the testosterone overloaded.

Paul was correct – but not right enough for Republican primary voters.

But the whole debate was futile – Fred just tossed his hat in the ring and has already been annointed by the Sunday AM pundits to take it all. He's tall, has a good speaking voice and, like an earlier Republican President, is a grade B movie and TV actor,

Ron Paul sounds so *real*. Every other politician sounds so fake. "We have to be one nation under God." Gimme a break. Huckabee's obviously trying to sound like Abraham Lincoln. Bunch of nonsense.

The Iraqi's are owed nothing. We have given enough. Let their lesson be that they should take care of their own problems and mind their own dang business.

Remember the USS Stark.

I like Huckabee, but I dont follow his logic. How long do we try to put humpty back together and who pays for it? Cant we just use that money for something else, like building bridges, broken cities or maybe energy independence?

Another demonstration of the decision the Republican Party has to make next year: Ron Paul or oblivion.

With his phony "honor over party" response, Huckabee was acknowledging he had lost the exchange. Our nation's honor was forfeit the moment we invaded Iraq, and we won't begin to regain it until we are well rid of this disastrous occupation.

Now this is refreshing! Two Republican candidates arguing about the best way to get out of Iraq. It looks like the Demmocratic candidates may have to find a new issue to run on.

I support Ron Paul because he has had the courage to always vote NO on any invasion of Iraq.

NOTE TO HUCKABEE: Since when did the current American government ever care what "we" the American people wanted? If "we" decided to go into Iraq, then shouldn't "we" be allowed to decide when to get out?

Gotta love the liberal media trying to actually point out Huckabee as the winner of the exchange when the post-Debate polls showed Ron Paul with a 2-to-1 margin of victory over second place.

Did Huckabee support going into Iraq in 2003? He better not have if he is going to say things such as, "we bought it because we broke it."

We have dug a hole for ourselves with Iraq. If they Iraqi people want freedoms, they need to be the ones fighting for it, not us. Our democracy survived 200+ years ago because we wanted it and we fought for it. Therefore it means something to us. For the most part, they're not standing up and earning their freedom, we're earning it for them.

As for honor, well, sometimes it takes more guts to pull out and admit a mistake than to stand around and "stay the course". Immediate withdrawal? No. But should we start bringing our men and women home? Yes. We're trying to put our ideals on groups of people that have had deep-seated hatred going back hundreds of years. We didn't fully understand that when we went in.

Ron Paul is the one Republican that appears to have some integrity and a willingness to do the right thing regardless of his party's official position.

I am an Independent and would consider voting for him any other year but after the debacle of this Bush Presidency, I couldn't bring myself to vote for anyone with a R by their name.

Sorry Ron….it's guilt by association.

Huckabee shold take all the chicken hawks on talk radio and go defend all the "honor" that he wants to in Iraq.

Good for Ron Paul! The only true no-spin candidate. Too bad he hasn't a chance.

A small group of neoconservatives did not vote to authorize the war, nearly the entire congress did so. Ron Paul is only popular because of the unpopularity of the war. He is shamelessly playing to the public opinion and I doubt that he will be able to do the right thing as president even when it is unpopular. Huckabee is right to say that it does not matter any more how or why we are where we are at, we just need to fix it. I think we will start to see US forces withdraw from the cities and provide border security to prevent weapons and foreign fighters from trying to destabilize the Iraqi government.

Did anyone notice that fox news had Ron Paul winning the debate in real time by 20 %.

hehehe

"Congressman, we are one nation. We can't be divided. We have to be one nation under God. That means if we make a mistake, we make it as a single country."

That is the most idiotic thing I have read recently.

The job in Iraq has been completed. The fact that they are fighting among themselves is their own problem now.

We cannot loose our honor because we have already lost it when we invaded that poor country.

So we leave Iraq to go to Darfur? The US is no more prepared to handle that situation than we are Iraq. The same people who want us to pull out now will send us right back when the full scale genocide starts. Send me home that's fine; but you better not send me back.

haha the article makes it sound like huckabee won that exchange, and they didn't even mention ron paul's closing words. biased media crap

haha republicans and honor in the same sentence?? hilarious

Yes, "honor" kept us in Vietnam a lot longer than was sensible too. It amazes me that the people who talk about "honor" are often not the ones who are facing the danger. As for the unity of the American people concerning the war in Iraq, there is none and there never was. Not all of us wanted to get into this war in the first place. Those of us who had clearer heads in this matter were shouted down by those who bought into Bush's blood lust and lies, remember? That being said, Huckabee was right to point out that "we bought it because we broke it." We are the ones who are responsible for destroying the Iraqis' government and infrastructure, so just who is morally responsible for putting them back together? Here's an idea: Why don't the ones who bought into the war in the first place volunteer their lives and their money to repair the damage they have done? Maybe they will then think twice before they march in goose-step behind the next Pied Piper in the White House.

I fully agree with Mike Huckabee: we have to give the Iraqis a better place than it is now. He is right: we broke it, we bought it. Now, we must fix it. We cannot turn our backs and tuck our tails between our legs, and steal away in the night. It was a big mistake, but we have to find a way to repair what we have broken.

Well Rep Ron Paul certainly has been elevated in my eyes. Finally someone has said it like it is. Huckabee has lost my respect, this "we" he refers to; how many of our governors, congtressmen and senators have family actually fighting this war?

We need to stay in Iraq to protect our "honor"!!! Is that all the Reps hve left as an argument?
I would have asked him if he was willing for his son/daughter to die for that "honor" or just someone else's.
If that's the only reason for being there, we should leave this afternoon.

Great exchange on points of view. Although I tend to agree more with Paul's point oof view, I think the advantage there goes to Huckabee.

This excerpt ends too early. That was NOT the completion of the exchange.

"MR. HUCKABEE: Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor, and that is more important to the Republican Party.

REP. PAUL: We’re losing — we’ve lost over — we have lost — we have lost 5,000 Americans killed in — we’ve lost over 5,000 Americans over there in Afghanistan and Iraq and plus the civilians killed. How many more do you want to lose? How long are we going to be there? How long — what do we have to pay to save face? That’s all we’re doing is saving face. It’s time we came home!"

I cannot agree with a man who feels the 'honor of the Republican party' is more valuable than people's lives. Ron Paul clearly has correct priorities, while Huckabee would rather leave us all at war and in harm's way than admit the party made a mistake.

The Iraqis themselves have a responsibility for their country, and they do not have the ability to understand democracy with their ageless infighting. These people have no better understanding of how to run a country than the Republicans do this one.

Huckabee stood in front of a friendly audience and mouthed platitudes. Ron Paul stood in front of the same audience and spoke the truth. All credit to Paul for saying the things that, painful as it may be to some, needed to be said. Where's the honor in invading a country and killing its people?

Huckabee's "honor over party" did not win the moment, thank goodness, when Paul reminded folks that ridiculous platitudes does not hide the fact that thousands of soldiers are DEAD because of the people in charge making the mistakes they did. So if we lose 10,000 soldiers, do we still hide behind the "honor" label? This isn't a John Wayne movie, this is real life, and our soldiers should not be sacrificed for such flip reasons as "if we leave we lose our honor" PLEASE!

Gov Huckabee got it right. We went into Iraq and overthrew a two-bit dictator we became responsible for the results.
The dimwits in the White House pushed out country into this war and divided our nation. If we do not honor our responsibility and fix the mess that our "so called leaders" made we WILL be fighting Islamic extremists in our own streets.

By the way, I do not support this war. I just is want to end it the right way for all of us.

Why is Ron Paul the ONLY republican candidate making sense? The man is an MD and far from the nut case the media and his own party portrys him to be.

Mr. Huckabee fails to recognize that our "honor" was already lost when this specious, unnecessary, wasteful, and counterproductive war was pursued. We have been our own worst enemy in this. Strategic withdrawal to relieve and rebuild our troops while our thinking on foreign policy is given serious scrutiny doesn't seem unreasonable or unattainable to me.

What Americans refuse to understand is that we over threw the Iraqi government and put in our own style of government. Would it be smooth transition if China over threw our government? And what did we learn from Viet Nam? Our government is too much under the control of political parties. We need to outlaw the function of all political parties after an election is over. Only then will our elected officials become less criminal in their decision making duties.

Ron Paul is by far the best presidential canidate. The war in Iraq is immoral and illegal. The neocons need to jump over the cliff or hang them!!!

WHOSE honor?

The honor of the politicians who made the incredibly disastrous choices?

Or the honor of our sons and fathers, daughters and mothers who are dying in the desert on the other side of the world?

Mr. Huckabee, you should be ashamed.

Interesting that this story doesn't note how the crowded roared equally as loud after Ron Paul's answers during this exchange. And he was the overwhelming favorite throughout the night. Why? Because he's is an intelligent, logical thinker who doesn't pander to special interests. You want your country back? Vote for Ron Paul.

"HONOR, HONOR, HONOR, HONOR…"

It's clear Republicans are still all about the buzzwords. The honor Huckabee speaks of is really called "pride." Republicans have thrust America into the greatest mistake since Vietnam and keep us there to save face. They will lose in 2008 if their strategy is to remain in Iraq until their amorphous "mission" is accomplished.

FINALLY!! I am a democrat, but that was amazing. It is nice to see that they have stepped out of pointing fingers into something we as a nation can support. We realize, as a nation, that something has to be done; but prolonging it and making it worse isn't the answer, however, neither is immediate withdrawal. I could support this candidate, he is making more sense than either…let's just see if his money is where his mouth is…that will be the real test.

Ron Paul did great. Unlike the others he is not afraid to debate and spoke with passion, he did a great job answering questions that fox tried made him look bad with. I can't believe fox news was so rude to him, even if you don't agree with his view that does not give them an excuse to try to marginalize him.

As far as the US actions in Iraq, I think the US lost their honor a long time ago. Where is the honor in torturing prisoners, murdering and raping civilians, and lying to the public about why the war was necessary? An apology to the Iraq people and the world would show real honor. How about holding our own leaders responsible for being so incompetent? That would be an honorable act. Attacking Iraq was a collosial mistake. Now we have to live with it? Why should soldiers and civilians keep dying simply so the US gov't can try to savage their honor? Let the US politicians go to Iraq to train the gov't so they can meet their benchmarks. Then their would be no reason to stay. Oh, yea there is still oil in Iraq. Nevermind… I agree with any candidate that has the courage to say it is time to leave. Regardless of what happens in Iraq,I highly doubt that historians will describe the event as honorable. Please bring back our troops.

Huckabee says we cant be divided?..That is exactly what we are ..this man lives in la la land ..and all the loud cheering is predictable from a crowd like that..they are all quick to cheer when somebody elses kids go gte killed for "honor" ..what a joke..

Ron Paul makes cogent arguments against a failed foreign policy, and Huckabee responds with flowery emotional catchphrases. "Honor!" There is no honor in continuing an illegal war started over false information. "United! Under God!" Yeah, those are words the Right loves, but the Right also loves common sense, and that is the reason, Mr. Huckabee, why Ron Paul absolutely destroyed you in the post-debate polls.

Is honor the killing of over 600,000 civilian's; is honor the rape of a 13 years old girl and then killing her parents and 5 year old sister? Is daily rape, murder and theft honor?

A Nation did not make a mistake. Irresposible politicians and a runaway military made a mistake. A racist conservative minority made a mistake.

Honor, what about justice? What about the rule of law. This sounds a lot like supremist views couched in the respectability of the republican party.

The "just get out now" mantra ignores just how impossibly complicated an immediate withdrawal would be. The immediate exit supporters describe themselves, in most matters, as humanitarians –but they express little regard for the abandoned fate of millions of Iraqis who are ordinary peace seeking families. America cannot now abandon this helpless population. Mass genocide would almost certainly follow. There is no pleasant solution to this quandry, but we have no choice but to work toward stabilizing Iraq. There is really no other compassionate way forward.

Honor? This a word that politicans use without the ability of comprehending what it means, as a former Republican, Honor was lost a long time ago. Honor does not mean continue on at all cost, it means finding those responsible and holding them accountable regardless the cost.

Here we go again,another theocrat spouting off with their old battle cry "one nation under god."Huckabee is a subversive,anti-democratic traitor.His goal is to overthrow our government and anyone who supports him should face treason charges.If you want a theocracy move to Iran where they already have it.Leave our nation alone!

Ron Paul won the argument, the debate and has outclassed his counterparts throughout this campaign season. If only our complicit mainstream media wasn't centered on the "top tier" candidates whom are solely given the limelight. Candidates such as Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul and Mike Gravel are slighted and dismissed in the media for no good reason other than corporate interest. Fox News showed their stripes Wednesday night in New Hampshire, mocking Ron Paul, in an immature nature (Rudy Guiliani cackling also). The elections and democratic process have been hijacked by the mainstream media. After Paul won the text poll (for the 2nd time on Fox News following a debate) Sean Hannity dismissed it and moved on, it didn't fit his interests. That's some objective reporting. Why slight a viable and popular candidate such as Ron Paul. Fox News should be ashamed of their actions but they are not, this is their dispicble style of presenting themselves as a so called "news" outfit.

How big a price tag do we pay for "breaking" Iraq? I believe we fulfilled our mission as soon as Saddam was dead and the Iraqi's got their purple fingers. It's time for the Iraqi's to take responsibility for their own freedom and making their elected officials accountable now.

This is a misrepresentation of the full exchange. There were just as many applause for Paul after his statements. I see it as Ron Paul winning, not Huckabee.

Our men and women are dying along with thousands upon thousands of Iraqis because we're afriad to admit when we're wrong? There is no honor in that.

You can talk about honor all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that getting the hell out of Iraq will be the most effective method of getting the Iraqis to put a government together and get on trading terms with them.

Ron Paul has stated the truth, and it's incredable to think the GOP wouldn't support him more than they do now. Huckabee is hooting about honor while American soldiers are dying right now, tonight, and Ron Paul wants the madness to stop. I say we go with Ron on this one, folks.

The open-mindedness on the Iraq situation, as espoused by Ron Paul, is a refreshingly candid admission that that mess is, indeed, a mess.

Mike Huckabee's "stay-the-course" rhetoric, marching in locked goose-step over the cliff, is precisely what George Bush, the captain of this sinking ship of state, says: "Do something important; re-arrange the deck-chairs!" Totally dissociative behavior.

How nice to hear at least one Republican who refuses to drink the party Kool-Aid.

Losing with "honor" (saving face) is more important than the lives of our soldiers?

Ron Paul pointed this out, but the news report cuts out this most important point.

The exchange didn't end with Huckabee calling for honor to prevail no matter what happens or how bad it gets. Paul actually had the final word, CNN seems to have left that out though.

Paul said what's been lost in these wars are 5,000 of our soldiers. He called to end the war and said the administration caused this mess and are trying to save face by needlessly staying in Iraq.

Hey Mooney, finish the rest of the exchange between them.

Huckabee: Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor.

Paul: We have lost over 5000 Americans over there…What do we have to pay to save face? It is all about saving face.

Paul is spot on here. Honor? We have to finish for honor? Like Korea and Vietnam? Absurd..

In my opinion, this article appears to be bias in Huckabee's favor. Ron Paul had roaring applause as well, made good counter points, and stood his ground well. This article makes it seem like Huckabee crushed him. That simply is not true. I dare you to post this comment.

Once again, showmanship and hollywood one-liners triumph over reason and common-sense!

from a debate skill stand point i think both were even. but from truth and wisdom stand point again Paul wins. Paul doesn't get enough credit from media as he deserves . only the liberal media like daily show and bill maher are giving him time.

After Huckabee said, "Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor." what was Ron Paul's response?

Where is the honor in continuing a failed policy? Is it honorable to sacrifice 3,000 more American dead in order to preserve the legacy of the 3,000 already fallen? I think Gov. Huckabee has confused the concept of honor with the state of denial.

In every debate it seems they try to send someone up against Paul. The first debate they used Rudy, who interrupted Paul in the middle of one of his questions. In another debate, Mitt tried to interrupt as well, but having learned from the previous debate, Paul wasn't going to allow it and quickly raised his voice to continue answering his question. And now, we see Huckabee making an attempt. But Paul has successfully won all three exchanges, and he's done so because he's been consistently correct.

Go Ron Paul!
What Huckabee 'Honor' is worth the lives of over 5000 brave American men and women?
Dr. Paul puts it best, "We have lost over 5000 Americans killed in Afghanistan in Iraq plus the civilians killed . . . What do we have to do to save-face?. . . It's time we came Home!"

This article is incorrectly written and I object to it with bias.
#1 Ron Paul had the loudest cheers out of the exchange. Reading this article makes one think that Hucklebee commanded the stage.
#2 Ron Paul had the last word in the exchanged–which was not posted.

I believe that CNN needs to be more honest with their representations of the story and by no means spit hairs between fact and reality to their myth.

The people also need to be aware of the trickery within our news media who writes articles to cause perception to be skewed from reality and I challenge the American people to become more aware of this practice as it's unethical and unprofessional.

Ron Paul is an honest Republican when it comes to the war. That makes him a rare bird indeed.

Ron Paul won the exchange. This blog entry, by the way, is missing what Ron Paul said in response to Huckabee's self-serving "even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor" comment"

He said: "We have lost over 5,000 Americans killed in — we've lost over 5,000 Americans over there in Afghanistan, in Iraq and plus the civilians killed. How many more you want to lose? How long are you going to be there?

How long — what do we have to pay to save face? That's all we're doing, is saving face. It's time we came home."

He got the last word in, not Huckabee.

Ron Paul is 100% correct too. The Republican Party will lose this next election if they nominate a pro-war candidate. It's important for the Republican Party to realize that.

However, it isn't, and Ron Paul knows this. The most important reason to oppose the war is that it is a war that cannot be won with no clear objective that is putting us more at risk.

Sure the surge seems to be working, but those are military accomplishments and there simply is no military solution in Iraq. The other candidates need to wake the hell up and realize this. No matter how hard our military fights, and they're doing such an amazing job, unless there's a political solution it won't matter. The Iraqi government has to get its house in order and the Iraqi factions have to reconcile their differences and their will never be peace and stability in Iraq. Sadly, as they keep missing benchmark after benchmark, I have no confidence that they will and actually believe our occupation of Iraq makes things worse by giving them an excuse not to. Perhaps if we left they'd be forced to find a political solution, which they don't have to do and won't do so long as we're there.

That's the flaw with Huckabee's rip-off of Colin Powell and later John Kerry's "pottery barn rule" belief that "we broke it, we fix it" because we CAN'T FIX IT. Only the Iraqi people can and the Iraqi government and the Iraqi factions by finding a political solution and like I've already said, they won't, at least so long as we're there.

Finally, most importantly, we need to put America and the American people first, not the Iraqi people. Ron Paul understands this and that's what he will do. Huckabee, after his "we broke it we fix it" comment, apparently doesn't because he seems perfectly willing to put Iraq first and America second by continuing to spend time, effort, money and lives to "fix" Iraq no matter how many lives it costs and how much money it costs. No matter how much it hurts America and puts us at risk and allows terrorist groups to recruit new terrorists due to the building resentment of America that we create from continuing to occupy Iraq and being part of the bloodshed there.

I've got news for Huckabee: There's no "honor" in that.

Ron Paul wiped the floor with Huckabee and the rest of the neo-warriors.

It would be interesting to see the list of congressman's children that are now serving and dying in Iraq for our honor. How many in the Bush/Cheney families are there? How about a list of corporate profits directly related to this war as the last social services I talked with say they don't have enough funding from taxes.

I do agree with we broke it. No matter how lousy of intelligence YOU guys had, congress as well as excutive branch are certainly to blame for leading us down this path. We certainly don't need to leave it up to historians to decide if we should have attacked and occupied this country. At this point anyone with half a brain knows that answer.Both parties are responsible for this mess, not the American people that put their trust in their government.Yet once agian in the land of the unaccoutable we are gonna wait for the historians?.We are not amused.

The conversation concluded with Dr. Paul saying "5000 American soldiers have lost their lives in Afghanistan and Iraq plus the civilians killed. How many more (lives)do you want to lose? How long do you want to be there? What do we have to do to save face? That's all this is; its about saving face. Its time we came home".

I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, but I congratulate him on sticking up for what he believes. I hate when candidates use patriotism in a debate just to get a rise from the audience… that is the coward way to win a debate… Ron Paul won that debate regardless of what the so called experts say.. by the way,this is the first time I sided with Paul. Although he didn't win the debate… GO ROMNEY!!!!!

If the two of THEM ended up being the Republican ticket, they might have a real shot.

Not saying that's a GOOD thing, mind you – but it bears saying.

What gives CNN the right to say who won this debate? Most posts so far show Paul as the one who most people agree with, why is CNN out of touch with their viewers? And what about the straw polls CNN only lists the results if Paul is not the one who comes in first.

Why don't you have the decency to post Ron Paul's reply to Huckabee's, "Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor"? Here, I'll do it for you, Ron Paul replied, "how much more do we have to pay just to save face?"

And it's a question that deserves to be answered, how many American lives will it take to satisfy the NeoCon's desire to save face?

It's sad to see that CNN is trying to pull the same garbage as Faux News.

I have respect for Mike Huckabee for at least admitting that the Iraq invasion was a mistake (an unheard of call from the Neocon camp,) but I still believe that Ron Paul's point is far more logical.

Staying in Iraq in order to save face, a.k.a. honor, is not an honorable thing to do. That is what Paul said in reply to Huckabee. I like Huckabee. I think he has integrity, but his kind of thinking kept our nation in Vietnam for such a long time.

Mr. Huckabee the neoconservative. Mr. Paul can't offer an alternative without being labeled as "against the nation" – this is a milder version of pro-peace Americans being labeled traitors. I wonder what countries Mr. Huckabee is planning to invade?

Interesting discussions tonight. Thompsons late arrival to the campaign will cost him lots of votes probably. That he chose to announce someplace else during the scheduled Republican debate seems a bit "prissy" to me. Guess he does not want to be compared to realy politicians. Maybe a bit shy of the confrontation. I was not impressed of the partial broadcast of his declaration when it was repeated. He still has the problem of multiple wives and some explanation regarding the wife he has now.

We can agree to disagree, I thought that's what United States was all about. Huckabee invoking: "one nation under God," as some sort of reasoning behind why everyone should just agree to Bush's Iraq war policy is simply outrageous. I won't insult Huckabee's intelligence like he seems to be trying to insult ours.

What I will say is, the idea of "Honor" is a wonderful thing Mr. Huckabee, but ideas aren't everything. Since you are worried about the idea of Honor, let's also consider another idea then: Sometimes the end does not justify the means.

It's ok to say we made a mistake. It's also ok to talk about how we can fix what we have done–broke Iraq. We have the luxury of having such discussions, those that have died, do not have such luxuries.

For those that continue to die who are innocent, that's the real tragedy in my humble opinion. Death chooses no favorites in terms of one ideology over the other. It is time that we should realize "this particular idea" and respect it, which means we need to respect each other regardless of our opinions and value life for what it is, a miracle.

You cannot kiss an idea. You cannot embrace and hold an idea with your bare hands. A man can kiss his daughter. A man can kiss his wife. A man should respect that other men wish to do the same as he, live.

- Super Ball Man

What debate was CNN watching? You guys must have broken remotes. Ron Paul got a much bigger applause. You write as if he got none. Ron Paul shot down the ridiculous notion that we need to continue a wreckless invasion just to save face.

It's funny because the way CNN presents this, you'd think Huckabee won this exchange, while the fact is Ron Paul had just as many cheers during this exchange and had the best crowd response throughout the entire debate. Not only did he also win the Fox News "who won the debate" texting poll by a large margin, he also managed to ignore the rude Fox News mediators and Rudy G. as they laughed and snickered every time Ron Paul addressed a question. Fox News' crap mediators fail at professionalism and Rudy G. fails at [having] class and life in general. Ron Paul should represent the Republican party.

Not a single doubt in my mind that Paul won that argument. Huckabee was grasping at straws trying to think of reasons why his argument made sense, and to only come back with "honor?" Absolutely humiliating on his campaign.

Ron Paul got plenty of cheers as well. Stop framing the issues in the way most convenient for publication, please. Give the people the facts and stop fudging them, CNN. We're really really tired of it out here in America-land.

What you SHOULD be talking about and asking is why the other candidates as well as the moderators were openly and loudly snickering and laughing at Ron Paul before and during each of his answers, which were far fewer in number and duration than ANY OTHER CANDIDATE in the field. And to those commenting, instead of calling him insane, why not do a little reading and understand the full spectrum of where this man is coming from since he obviously can't BUY a question or equal time from a TV moderator…THANKS FOX NEWS!

Mike Huckabee knows nothing of honor, having never served in any branch of the armed forces. Ron Paul may never have served in Vietnam, but he knows well enough the issues and sacrifices servicemen and servicewomen must make in the defense of the United States.

That said, I am an American of Vietnamese decent. My parents have told my full well of America's betrayal of South Vietnam when she needed help the most. A part of me looks at the Iraq situation through this viewpoint: we cannot betray the Iraqis now, to throw them to the wolves of Iran and Syria much as South Vietnam was given to the
North. But another part of me…is resigned to the fact that while everything was given to the Iraqis on a silver platter (you know, freedom?) they cannot or will not get their act together, be it out of sectarianism or sheer greed.

We are fast approaching the critical period upon which Americans will decide on whether or not to abandon another country. But either outlook appears grim.

Huckabee is on the ball. The US going into Iraq was a big mistake. Withdrawal would actually do more damage. It should be done to completion otherwise, Iraq will comeback to haunt the US. The long term consequences should be taken into consideration, not just the short-term pain.

Honor before party is the right attitude. The armed forces need the resources to finish a job that they were ill-equipped to do. Hucakbee is right – the US should and must be ONE nation under God.

Huckabee is a man who will take responsibility for his actions and the actions of the office of the President of the United States of America.

Great soundbyte from Huckabee!! That's why they get the big Bucks! but appealing to our ego doesn't win wars. "You break it, you buy it", may be good for an ornament. But this is a country were talking about. And were not fixing it by staying longer. Were shattering it!

I think the bigger story here is Mike Huckabee calling the Iraq War a mistake ("If we make a mistake, we make it as a single country."). For someone as high up in the GOP polls as he now is, that's a pretty bold and risky statement to make. He'll probably back down from it if anybody bothers to question him about it (not doing so might be political suicide), but personally I would respect him tremendously if he decided to stand by it.

It's time the Republican Party stopped being contrarian about the war for politics sake– Paul is right, that one issue is dragging down the entire party. A lot of Republicans are desperate for an alternative to the saber-rattling, stay-the-course-forever major candidates, which explains Paul's very vocal following. The GOP as a whole needs to just suck it up and start calling the Iraq War as it is so America can go back to acting in the best interests of our troops and our national security rather than our pride.

How many lives is "Honor" worth? Start the Draft again and I'm sure we'll see. Mr. Bush absolutely must keep us involved in the battle for Iraq until he is out of office, because he knows that withdrawing now will lead to a collapse of the government we're trying to impose (which is quite probably inevitable in any case since the terrorists and insurgents have the home court advantage and can outlast us) – and, if politicians have any degree of integrity, Mr. Bush knows that this would lead to impeachment proceedings against him. I wonder how many additional lives would have been lost in Viet Nam if “Honor” had been so highly valued over common sense. We, as a caring nation, owe it to those poor souls who Mr. Bush has so carelessly sacrificed, to right that enormous wrong by holding those responsible for this grand atrocity accountable before the eyes of the world.

WE made a mistake, Mr. Huckabee? I don't know about you, but I sure didn't invade Iraq.

I saw the debate tonight, and as a longtime conservative, I have been very disturbed at the treatment of Ron Paul by the Republican Party and their shills at Fox News. If Paul does not win the nomination, I am for the first time in my life considering voting Democrat.

The only mistake the American people have made is not voting all these nuts out of office, a mistake that will hopefully soon be corrected.

I don't believe that American's question the honor of individual soldiers. I do however question the honor of our country in not taking in Iraqi refugees since we broke their nation.

This talk of honor is the same as when we were in Vietnam. When we finally came to our senses and brought the troops home our wonderful soldiers where spit on, yelled at, and shunned…and why??? Because we KNEW we were wrong and we hid our embarrassment by blaming the honorable soldiers. We NEED to admit that we were wrong again!!!! But this time, don't spit on, yell at, and shun our brave men and women that defend us…spit on, yell at, and shun the few money mongers that put us over there in yet ANOTHER undeclared war!!!

Real nice how you cut out Ron Paul's last comment when he sums up Huckabee's view: People are dying in order for America to save face.

BTW you ignore the part where Ron Paul was getting as much applause as Huckabee.

Ron Paul is correct in his thinking.

The "we" is the people who lied about going to war in the first place they already lost their honor.

Huckabee's comments will resonate with the nationalists in the GOP, but that doesn't make him right. Paul is right here. We may have screwed it up, but Huckabee assumes that we can somehow fix such a major screw up. At this point, the only way to fix it is to let the Iraqi's sort it out themselves.

America cannot fix this and the longer we say, the more disasterous it is for us. Huckabee refuses to see the obvious.

This article forgets to mention Ron Paul's closing statement in this exchange with Huckabee. Ron Paul said "PAUL: We have lost over 5,000 Americans killed in — we've lost over 5,000 Americans over there in Afghanistan, in Iraq and plus the civilians killed. How many more you want to lose? How long are you going to be there?

How long — what do we have to pay to save face? That's all we're doing, is saving face. It's time we came home." That is pretty crucial to understanding the exchange and really seeing who won. The article should be titled "GOP wants to save face, Ron Paul to save lives, money and freedom"

What isn't quoted is Ron Paul replying that 5,000 people have died in this war, how many more have to die so the Neocons can save face?

Ron Paul isn't a Republican – he's libertarian. He wants to do away with IRS, CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, Dept of Education. If he were elected… "good luck people – you're on your own".

Mike Huckabee had the moment of the debate over Ron Paul.

Ron Paul just put himself permanently in the category of Dennis Kucinich and Ralph Nader… an oddity that will never garner enough support to win a national election. Oh Ron will have his die-hard libertarian isolationist followers but his willingness to cut-and-run regardless of honor will alienate the core group of conservatives.

God Bless the fact one candidate who uses his brain over his gut, Ron Paul, was on that stage tonight

It's amusing that we have two politicians arguing over "honor."

To Mike from Orange County. I very respectfully disagree with your comments. Huckabee is too loyal to President Bush. Ron Paul seems to be the only one in the Republican pary who knows what is really going on.

This article is obviously biased – mentioning the applause Hucky got, but not the applause Ron Paul received. Plus, Paul got in the last word which is mysteriously absent from the end of the quoted exchange.

Continuing on with an illegal and immoral occupation is anything but honorable. As an Iraq veteran who's serving a second tour in the occupation, I find Hucky's remarks on honor very shallow, naive, and insulting.

It is never honorable to fall lockstep in line with a war policy when the war is illegal and undeclared and the government is corrupt, spending unconrollably, and power-hungry. Dissent is patriotic as well as honorable.

I'm sick and tired of this Republicans taking about a WAR when most of them have not serve nor have thier children. There is no honor in an unconstituional WAR. Soldiers wil never want to quite. This is way they are not the decision makers. This is why great players don't make great coaches. They think with too much emotion. It is a leaders job to do what is in the best interest of our troops as a whole even if it means living to fight another day. The bias against Paul hurts. I hate to see fools laughing at him while they question him. I hate to see these idiots misquote him while looking right at him. I always want the Republican party to just lose every seat. They have lost their way and have no idea what value really means. ** And note, why have I not heard of a politician's son dying in Iraq….Because they don't fight. Our kids go and die, while their's stay at the HQ for a while, come back home and run for OFFICE. Duncan Hunter, you get no respect from me. **

Dr. Ron Pauluses logic and facts … he does not play on emotional arguments which are just pretty sounding words but in reality bear no true answer in the real struggles America is facing…
-Ricky Rodriguez
Miami, Florida
http://www.ronpaul2008.com

Ron Paul Revolution!!!

Winning War on Terror=Stopping terror attacks

Ron's Formula is:
Stop dependence on oil+stop Israeli Lobby= stop meddling in the Middle East= No more terror attacks

What Huckabee says, certainly brings forth a fountain of patriotism,but also and incredible sense of disappointment. While what he said is mostly true what Ron Paul is saying is Completely true. George Bush and his puppet masters have taken everything this country stands for and bent it and manipulated it to fit their needs. To think that a time would come in America where it would make you unpatriotic to criticize the president as if HE was the country. This country is made of PEOPLE not a person, to let the President be the embodiment of the American people is a terrible idea because as bad as some of us may think it is now, it could be worse.

You cut off the last word in the debate from Ron Paul:

REP. PAUL: We’re losing — we’ve lost over — (cheers, applause) — we have lost — we have lost 5,000 Americans killed in — we’ve lost over 5,000 Americans over there in Afghanistan and Iraq and plus the civilians killed. How many more do you want to lose? How long are we going to be there? How long — what do we have to pay to save face? That’s all we’re doing is saving face. It’s time we came home!

Nice how the article also fails to mention that the crowd also roared after each of Paul's rebuttals.

And while I think about it, the statement about "breaking it so we bought it" works fine in a pottery shop, it fails miserably when we talk about the death and maiming of thousands of human beings, both American and Iraqi in the ghastly failure of this war. I say again, support our brave men and women in the military, bring them home!

"We've got a responsibility to the honor of this country and the honor of every man and woman who has served in Iraq and our military to not leave them with anything less than the honor they deserve."

What does that mean?

Our soldiers went to Iraq when they were told to, and they will return when they are told to. By doing so they are honorable.

Keeping them there to prove a petty political point is what is dishonorable and is what Republicans fail to comprehend.

Ron Paul speaks as a person. Huckabee speaks as a Politician (capitalization intended). Political correctness is going to kill our soldiers and divide our nation. It is time for a radical change, believe it or not, and Ron Paul has it in hand. Unfortunately, the political and media machine will not allow it. Too many American citizens are too afraid of rocking the boat.

Using poor metaphors and the veil of pseudo patriotism to disguise vacuous statments is hardly any thing to get excited over.

Any candidate in favor of allowing more men and women to die in order to salve some false sense of national bravado is insane. The honor of this country as a whole was sullied when we bought into the a policy of preemptive war, and domestic spying. "Staying the course" will do nothing to change that.

Although judging by the audience reaction, Paul might've won the argument, in the end, I think most of the Republicans nationwide agree more with Huckabee's stance. Hell, I think even a big chunk of democrats might agree with Huckabee. There are definitely dems that are of the opinion that regardless of whether going in was a mistake, we're in there now, and we just can't up and leave Iraq in chaos.

I almost feel sorry for Ron Paul, because this one thing about wanting an immediate precipitous withdrawal from Iraq is probably the single most damaging stance that's costing him votes for the Republican primary. Don't get me wrong, many of his other views probably cost him votes too, but I think it's the Iraq view that costs him the most. Sure, he gains some support for it, but in the overall balance, the costs far outweigh the return.

Huckabee is an everyman. He's a happy-go-lucky type. I think he'll do just fine. Personally, I like Rudy, but Huckabee has surprised me with his personality.

It is amazing to me that some people think our "honor" requires us to sacrifice 3700 more young Americans, the best and the brighest,in an ill conceived and unsupported invasion, that obviously has failed in even it's most basic goals so that we can prove what? Wake up America…..support our brave men and women in the military, bring them home!

I live in Arkansas…..Huckabee is horrible.

RON PAUL 2008

What candidate did the Fox News debate bring you closer to ———> http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=446

The Republicans are going to have a political annihilation come next election. Keep it up and stay the course Huckabee!

Doesn't anybody care what the military members think? As one of them (recently retired) I can tell you that while there are some who want out, an overwhelming majority of us would prefer to finish our mission without the criticism of our commanders by our so called leaders in Washington, news media, bloggers, and by our fellow Americans that only see what the media allows them to see. Please, let us do our job.

Honor comes before life? Especially when the soldiers can't choose whether or not they want to fight for their own "honor" when most soldiers signed up to defend THIS country… Not going overseas for years defending another country and democracy for people who don't even want it.

You omitted the end of the exchange, in which Ron Paul replied "We've already lost 5000 American lives, not counting the Iraqi civilians. How many more lives do you want to lose? What do we have to pay to *save face*?" This
historic riposte won the debate for him in my eyes.

"keep eating our mistake" eventually we will get a tummy ache

Hey Rick, speaking of that incredibly long grace period we gave the Iraqis, how long did it take for us to get the United States up and running with all the government in place and functioning?

Ron Paul George and Ringo may have won the moment, but he won't come close to being the Republican nominee

Ron Paul destroyed the competition because he was the only one standing up for the precise message the founding fathers gave us. To preserve our Republic, we must honor and obey the Constitution and Bill of Rights. No illegal, unneccesary wars or foreign entanglements. Ron Paul–Hope for America 2008

Dr. Paul and Gov. Huckabee both had good points, but in the end we should look at what is most in line with our constitution, not just our honor. There is always honor in doing the right thing, and always shame when we do things in anger. We've had great leaders, great ones. We don't need a hollywood romantic candidate that make us feel good, we need a Champion for the constitution, someone to follow the guild lines of our founding fathers. Who can do this?

I am a huge Ron Paul supporter, but I was disappointed that Dr. Paul even mentioned the fact that the position could cost the Republicans the next election. For a second, he forgot who he was and tried to be a politician. In general, I wish Dr. Paul would stop being argumentative and just keep his cool like he does in front of Congress. At the same time, given the way he is treated by the Sean Hannitys of the world, I don't blame him for being on the defensive.

I disagree with Huckabee's position, but I commend his stance. He first admits we made a mistake going in, which by itself is not easy. Then he felt we had a moral responsibility to fix our mistakes, which is equally difficult to sell to the voters.

If Dr. Paul doesn't win the nomination, I would hope for Huckabee. At the very least, I think he is honest.

Why did you end the article prematurely? Im going to assume it was an honest mistake. You forgot the rest of the exchange:

Paul: We've lost 5000 americans over there in Aghanastan and Araq and plus the civilians killed. How many more do you want to lose? How long are we going to be there? What do we have to pay to save face? Thats all we are doing is saving face. Its time WE CAME HOME.

Ron Paul has pointed out that this war should have been declared by congress, which is the only lawful way to go to war, authorized by the constitution. Now, there were other candidates who finally began using Paul's language about their oath to uphold the constitution, witch Paul has reminded us all of repeatedly. Why didn't Chris Wallace bring that up or question the other candidates about that fact rather than erroneously trying to accuse Paul of taking our marching orders from Al-Qaida? Paul responded perfectly, "NO" he said " We should take our marching orders from the costituion"! Did we declare it constitutionally? Please, other candidates, answer this. Ron Paul is steering the debates. Huck, we should stand together as one nation, remember 70% of the American people want a change. More troops gave to Ron Paul's campaign than any other candidate. Next time lets declare the war the way we are supposed to and get a mandate from the people. Lets all stand together as Americans, no matter what your party, or which candidate you are, lets all stand for the
constitution.

Ron Paul is becoming unhinged. His comments during this most recent debate show me that he is unfit to lead this nation. Huckabee on the other hand might make a good vice-president for President Fred Thompson.

Honor, I think it's time we learn to swallow our pride and stop sending our youth to die for baby boomer honor. This is nuts!!

Ron Paul came close to admitting that the country was lied to by Bush and his adminstration to get us into this war. Mr. Huckabee where's the honor in that? Mr. Huckabee you are asking more American to die just you can save face, where is the honor in that? You say you want to leave whether we should have gone into Iraq, up to the historians, but I'm willing to bet that if it was a democratic President instead of a republican President you would be in the forefront blaming the democratic President not waiting to leave the discussion to the historians.

We all can see the common sense coming from Ron Paul; I just don't see it in the indecisiveness of the other candidates. Ron Paul stands by the Constitution!

I love my country. I love our military. I love our ethnic and cultural diversity because it's what America is all about. I can only support a candidate that understands all of these ideals- Ron Paul.

Ooh looks like the Communist News Network just committed another one of those dirty little sins of omission. As the final word in the exchange by Congressman Paul was left out. But you can see it all on You Tube!

I am told that a standard refrain in rehab units is to make the point that one characteristic of craziness is continuing to do the same thing but expecting different results. The current Bush policy has absolutely nothing to do with national honor or the honor of those who have served in Iraq. It is hubris, not honor directing the administration. How better to honor the troops than to preserve their lives against a war that is a mistake. As Americans and Iraqis die needlessly, the terrorists are regaining Afghanistan and using anti-American sentiment generated by the war to recruit more terrorists. It is way past time to acknowledge the abject failure of the neo-con agenda and to proceed against ideological extremism in a manner consistent with and in honor of our fundamental American values Neo-con extremism is a symptom of the same human disease that is also producing Islamic extremism. America is more directly at risk from our homegrown extremists than we will ever be from Islamic ideologues.

It's pretty sad when a Presidential candidate would actually place saving some nonexistent, long-lost "honor" over saving American lives.
The Republican candidates who support this war are the lunatics. Ron Paul is the only sane man in the bunch, and the only Republican with a prayer of winning this election.

What Mike Huckabee and the rest of the candidates don't seem to understand is that Paul wants to change a foreign policy that has failed and put us in a seemingly inescapable quagmire. Huckabee's pathos-oriented rhetoric of "honor" can only go so far if the current policy is fatally flawed. Congressman Paul is the only candidate who truly understands this.

I don't believe Huckabee got the last word… Ron Paul did…

Ron Paul is the only one who makes any sense. 70% of the American people want us to leave Iraq. It is the politicians duties to represent the PEOPLE. I also enjoy how Dr. Paul wants to directly interpret the Constitution (you know, the thing that we base our entire country on), instead of trying to spin his own ideas off it. God Bless Ron Paul, give me liberty and get the Federal Goverment out of my business!

I used to like Huckabee, though I prefer Ron Paul. – But Huckabee lost all my goodwill because of this exchange. Huckabee just kept saying "honor" "Honor" "HONOR!" (Three times in one sentence… Four times in all.!)
That's just playing to the emotions of the crowd. That's not the words of a statesman. I'm very disappointed in Huckabee.

Ron Paul just made more sense. Too bad, Fox News made him to be an idiot (adding laughs before he speaks) and wording questions to make him look bad before he can elaborate on a statement.

Who's honor? The honor of the American people? I think not! The American people do not support this war! Huckabee said, plain as day, that we should bankrupt the nation and put U.S. servicemen in danger so the Republican party can save face.

RAUL REVOLUTION!!
WINNING THE WAR ON TERROR= STOPPING TERRORIST ATTACKS

Formula= Stop dependence on oil+stop the Israeli Lobby= No need to meddle in middle eastern affairs= no reason for them to hate us and no more terrorist attacks

Mr. Huckabee says we should not lose our honor? It is too late for that sir. We lost our honor the moment we blindly followed a neoconservative idealouge into a disasterous and unnecessary conflict.

It will not work to simply rehash the Vietnam phrase, "if we don't fight them there, we'll be fighting them here."

The truth of the matter is, we haven't been attacked because a few months after 911 Bush pulled out of his only strategic and legit base in the middle east, in Saudi Arabia, which is what got Bin Laden fired up to begin with.

The bottom line is, people will die if we stay, they'll die if we leave, they've been dying for thousands of years in the middle east. We cannot play mother superior to the world. We should not also blindly and stupidly abandon them either, and no candidate is talking about that with perhaps the exception of Bill Richardson who doesn't have clue number one.

Obama and Clinton and Paul all in have said that withdrawing forces should be done gradually and in an orderly fashion that maintains order.

If we're worried about the influence of Iran, waaayy too late. Our presence in Iraq has made Iran a power player in the region and whether we go or stay that won't change.

It is a crime, a travesty to simply pin the Iraq war to the war on terror. Al Queda is there because we are there. They would not be tolerated otherwise.

For the last time, Saddam didn't have nukes, he didn't support Al Queda, he was a secularist, and the entire middle east stands a much greater chance of collapse the longer we pursue greedy oil laws in Iraq that will give away 80 percent of Iraq's oil to Chevron and BP in the lame hopes that it will break OPEC and make a few rich white guys even richer.

The Iraqis wont give up their oil without a fight, and the neocons won't give up Iraq without a signed oil law.

That is the absolute bottom line of what it all comes down to, and Ron Paul is right to call a spade a spade when he sees one.

At least if he was the Repub candidate, Obama would have someone interesting to debate and it might be a contest worth watching.

Of course, to Ron Paul, ending the Iraq war is an end all be all of his campaign, for Obama, ending the Iraq war is simply the beginning of a bold agenda he's setting for the country that actually just might drag us out of the greedy, morally ambiguous, downright partisan nasty decade we've just endured.

It inspires me to see Obama and Paul actually talking about the issues, and it astounds me at just how far out of touch every other Republican candidate actually is. I mean, they're literally dinosaurs trapped in their own fossil fuel mud, propped up by their trophy wives just long enough to ignite the good ol' boy cigars that they only hope will finally do the world a favor and blow us all up.

But luckily it ain't gonna happen, because Barack Obama has such a groundswell, so much of a grass roots head start on these other dinosaurs, he will be unbeatable by the time they give him the nod.

Obama 08

We the People have the responsibility to elect leaders with a sane, defensive, foreign policy. We do not have to sacrifice ourselves and our income to save face for Bush and his cronies.

The honorable thing to do his bring our troops home to defend American, not occupy a country and engage in reckless nation building

Huckabee is a chicken hawk. He has no integrity. At least ron paul served his country.

Honor? How arrogant. Men and women are dying overseas every day…over an unjustified war, and this douche only cares about honor.

And GOP taking honor of winning election? HAHAHAHA if that was the case the current front runners wouldn't have been liberals who disagree with conservatives on almost all issues

I think Duncan Hunter is the real answer, but as someone at the debate the audience cheered much more loudly for Paul than Huckabee — maybe they tuned down the mics at those applause points?

New slogan for Huckabee:
"Your blood. Your money. My honor."

What about the rest of the exchange? Ron Paul had the last words, but you did not include them:

“We have lost over 5000 over there in Afganistan and Iraq. How many more do you want to lose? How long are you going to be there? How long? What do we have to pay to save face? Thats all we’re doing is saving face. Its time we come home.”

We've lost our "Honor" long ago under this administration… what the hell is Huckabee talking about?

At least Ron Paul is speaking the TRUTH in the face of the emotionally-manipulated, bleating sheep in that audience. Now THAT'S honorable!

Ron Paul stayed consistent and was going for the common sense, logical message vs. Huckabee's emotional message. Paul hit the nail on the head: "What do we have to do to save face?"

I agree with Huckabee on this one, I admire his guts and am looking forward to hearing more from him.

I am tired of hearing from the people who need us to lose in Iraq so that their beliefs about it are justified.

ThirstyJon
freedomthirst.com

A fool can become a wiseman if he chooses to learn from his mistakes. If he continues to act foolish, then a fool he remains. There is more honor in admitting your wrong and stopping what you are doing, then to continue on the same path. It is most honorable to bring our troops home and let the DOD assume the behavior it was meant to have, DEFENSE.
We need to stop our preemptive warring behavior, stop nation building, and be much more non-interventionist.

Huckabee's logic is very flawed. Yeah we broke it, but we cannot afford it. Let Iraqi people put it back together, as it is thier country after all.

What no one says is there are not enough troops to continue the surge. When they say it is working they are telling a half truth, a surge will give enough to police a small area or province but there are not enough troops to continue the policing unless they start a draft of American kids. Once you draw back the insurgents reappear and unless you draft more soldiers there are not enough troops to continue. It is either stay in Iraq with a draft, stay in Iraq with the same troops wearing them out physically and mentally until we have no military able to continue or leave. So Ron Paul makes the most sense and just leave now before we ruin the military.

So what Huckabee is saying is that Americans should continue to die for a mistake.

Not at all a good platform to run on.

All I can say is "Wow!". I have rarely seen a politician challenge the common misperception that "the terrorists hate us because we are free". Ron Paul was only given 30 seconds in the first thirty minutes, and that 30 second question was about another candidate. When he finally got his few minutes to speak, he owned the floor with his no nonsense bluntness.

What upset me the most was FOX and their moderators. The treatment Dr. Paul got from the moderators and other candidates was horrible and unprofessional!

Why is that the most conservative of the GOP candidates, the only one that could beat the DNC candidate in the upcoming election is the one being attacked by the rest ? It makes no sense, and I think the american public is now seeing how blatant the involvement of the mass media is with the political process. If you don't think Paul got the shaft in terms of people laughing while he was talking and moderators attributing him with statements he did not make, you're blind.

This upcoming election will be the most important in a very long time.We need to realize that it is our foriegn interventionist policies that have contributed to the destabilizing of the middle east, and that when we entangle ourselves in the affairs of other nations, we end up in big messes. It is time to reexamine our policies, because as things presently stand, we are just fostering resentment and creating seeds for more and more terrorists.

CNN, we will be watching you too, to see if you give Kukinich and Gravel equal time to state their positions and treat them with the respect that FOX moderators did not do with Paul!

"We've got a responsibility to the honor of this country…."
Give it a rest: WAR IS A RACKET

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
…industrialists whose operations were subsidised by public funding were able to generate substantial profits essentially from mass human suffering.

Paul speaks the truth on Iraq. Neo-conservative, never seen combat, warmongers took us to Iraq over oil and a Bush family feud. We may have broke it, but going on a trillion dollars later, near 4,000 dead American kids we can do nothing more for the Iraq blood takers – it is time to draft the chicken hawks and their kids and send them over to FIX it so real American heroes can come home.

One country? Not according to Bush, Bush’s Brain and Cheney, for them it is only the rich and the 51% that believed their lies. The rest of the country they do not care about. Just ask people in the Gulf Coast I am sure they don’t think we are one country.

Ask the people that were killed on the bridge in MN because we can fight the rich man’s war but can’t keep our bridges in safe conditions. Bet they don’t think we are one country.

Ask the 47 million and counting folks without healthcare while the rest of the civilized world covers all their citizens. They don’t think we are one country.

Ask the gays that the Republicans bash all the while hunting sex from under age pages and tapping their horny feet in public restrooms, bet they don’t think we are one country.

Mr. Mooney, twist and slant it as much as you like. Ron Paul won the exchange; the only thing "dramatic" about Huckabee's statements was it highlighted his out-dated attempts at soundbite over substance.

"Our" honor went out the window years ago.

At least Huckabee's argument doesn't involve invoking 9/11. Still, I can't help but notice a problem with this exchange.

Huckabee has a flaw in his argument. He seems to be stating, "Our soldiers have died in Iraq. To leave (before the job is done) would be to dishonor their memory. Therefore we must stay." But, what does it mean to have the job done? There is talk about making Iraq stable, but what is the definition? What is it we're looking for? This idea is constantly tossed about, but I never hear of any tangible objectives. Without this, we're stuck there until the end of time, and debate devolves into personal attacks.

Furthermore, he's assuming this abstract stability (whatever it is) can actually still be accomplished. Will there ever be a point in his mind in which we finally say, "Screw it, Iraq will never be fixed. Let's leave." If there isn't, I think he needs to reassess his reasoning. To keep our troops mired in Iraq, after seeing countless examples that the only result will be their demise and that it will serve no purpose, THAT is the way to dishonor their memory. A pointless sacrifice (in this case, death that leads us no closer to a stable Iraq), no matter how honorable the intentions, is still a pointless sacrifice.

Why are we talking about honor anyway? That's just invoking emotions. We need to talk about this in terms of realistic objectives, not this pseudo-patriotic garbage that passes for debate these days.

And I agree with Ron Paul that we'd be better off not having an offensive styled military. It overextends us, and inflames other regions. Not a good way to spread peace, is it?

"We were neck deep in the Big Muddy And the big fool said to push on."

How freaking dare this Hukkahillbilly says that we are all to blame. Many of us were yelling and screaming no, but the press called us extremist.

He should take responsibility that then move on.

I wouldn't vote for anyone that had anything to do with this war.
They should all be fired.

jack jett

So Huckabee thinks that it's the government's job to have us all fall on the sword as a united country rather than acknowlege that we made a mistake by going into Iraq and re-evaluating our position. Our objectives were achieved when Saddam died. WE WON! Now bring the troops home. Stop the Dying. Stop the Spending. Restore the Republic! RON PAUL!

It seems as though the audience had it all backwards. They should have been roaring for Ron Paul instead of Huckabee! But as usual the majority of the people don't like sobering assessments of reality. They just can't handle the truth that Iraq, like Vietnam, is nothing more than a quagmire! The Iraqi's could care less whether we are there or not. It's Bush's war, not the war of the American people!!!! It is a War of Choice! Daddy Bush got a Sadamm death threat, and the Son said let's bring it on! Let the son swim in the mess he made, not the brave young troops who are ordered to go over there and become cannon fodder for a failed policy! It's more than Pathetic!

Alexander Mooney, you have no journalism integrity. Why do you not finish off the article by quoting Ron Paul's rebuttal comments to this Huckabee reply?

Quote: "How long — what do we have to pay to save face? That's all we're doing, is saving face. It's time we came home," Paul said.

"We should not lose our honor." – Huckabee

Exactly as Ron Paul said – we are in this war to save face. Huckabee didn't realize it, but he completely gave Ron Paul that little game of chess. He checkmated himself.

Huckabee's argument that we are "one nation, we can't be divided" is ludicrous. Is the United States a democracy? In Huckabee's world, it's a dictatorship, apparently, and dissent simply has no place.

The Fox News Crowd may fall for the rhetoric, but the American people know Ron Paul is right that our foreign policy must change.

This is merely a repeat of the Ron Paul vs. Rudy Giuliani encounter of the last FNC debate…and thank goodness for that! Consistently, Congressman Paul has courageously spoken the truth in the face of the collective arrogance and ignornace of the Republican field.

The truth wins in the end.

Hey CNN blogger, you left out the last comment from Ron Paul during this exchange.

Of all the gall!! As the mother of a young person serving in Iraq I find it sickening how someone like Mike Huckabee can say,"We broke it, we bought it," meaning we have to stay. Not one of his sons or his daughter are in harms way so those are easy words to slide out of his mouth. If you got the guts to run for President you need to have a son or daughter of military age serving in the armed forces who will go into the thick of it. Lead by example or stay at home. You want to start a war, send your child first. If idiot George and crazy Dick had the guts to send one of their daughters over there this war would be over or never have occurred. As far as I know Joe Biden is the only one with a child who has been in Iraq. I salute him.

they were both basically right,we cant stay for ever,but we also cant just pack up and leave..thanx goerge

Honor over sanity, is more like it. I actually believe we do have a duty to Iraq, but I'm not willing to march lockstep with those who got us to where we are just because… we have the same passport?

Hitler made that argument to great effect as he rallied his people from his bunker. Hirohito, too. He had women sharpening bamboo sticks to fight the US Marines. I guess you could call that honor. I call it pretty stupid.

Mr. Huckabee,
Please go to Iraq or send your children to fight for your 'Honor'. It seems American people and army is paying a high price for mistakes of this administration and it seems you will continue to make us pay for your 'honor'. No thanks!!

Ron Paul needs to get his head out of the sand and think as a "team member" of this nation. Are we certain he's Republican?

Ron Paul was the only man up there with any common sense and the applause that huckabees comment got was short sighted. huckabee played the tune of bush and if your not with me your against me, well Mr. (fundamental)huckabee short term you won with your ignorance but when people wake up in the morning it will be a short lived victory. I am not a republican but Ron paul is probably going to get my vote.

Ron Paul Clearly won the debate. Once "Honor" is mentioned or "God" – Liberty is being attacked. WE SHOULD NOT LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR THE WAR. Ron Paul has my vote, he understands that all nations have different cultures, and the best thing to do is being in talks with them. It's disgusting that most americans don't understand the middle east conflict, Ron Paul is exposing the truth, and Liberty will prevail.

As a disabled police officer injured in the line of duty, what will become of our non-taxable pensions when you plan to install the "fair tax"?

We will pay more in our purchasing power than you would or could obtain from illegals.

From my personal and public experience will illegals, they take their pay check and send most home. The remainder allows them "beverage", fast foods, and tioletries

So I predict that this tax program proposed by politicians is only to punish the fixed income and disabled tax exempt legal population: ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM MILITARY, POLICE, AND FIRE EMPLOYEES INJURED IN THE LINE OF DUTY.

Huckabee will propagate the Bush/Cheney neocon agenda ! Ron Paul will get us out of Iraq , he is the only republican willing to take a stand on this issue.

Ron Paul for President! Of course, Mike Huckabee will stay safely at home. Paul is 100-percent correct. "WE" did not buy this war, the neocons did because they have profited financially from it. People like Huckabee are no better than Hitler. They use words like "honor" to justify insanity and murder. War is a euphamism for justified mass murder. There is no reason to have gone there and no reason to be there. Bush, Cheney and the entire administration should be dragged from the White House and strung up by their ankles in public for their traitorous murderous actions.

Ron Paul was the only true Republican in the debate.

This is an answer to the post below by one Rick."It's the IRAQIS that have a responsibility to: put aside their tribal mentality, start fighting and dying for their OWN country, reach benchmarks, and pressure their govt to achieve a political solution rather than contemplate vacations cuz it's "too hot".

We've done enough – their incredibly long grace period is OVER!

Posted By Rick, Chicago Illinois : September 5, 2007 10:43 pm
"

Rick Chic, Aha, Now it has become the IRAQIS problem!! We went to a place which was being managed by some one in his own way! We broke up the place, killed thousands of them and us,made almost everyone a beggar, generated a ton of terrorists,and now people like YOU telling IRAQIS to attain bench marks! What are you smoking? Any clue as to what is happening in Afganistan afetr we left it to Team Karzai ? Well the TALIBAN has become a lot smarter and now they are screwing what is left of Afganistan and is a safe haven for terror, again!

A person gets honor by fulfilling their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.

Huckabee used the term 'honor' to describe a person who disregards their oath and tramples the Constitution to be 'divided.' Iraq is an undeclared and UnConstitutional War. Thus, Huckabee is promoting illegal and UnConstitutional action. Therefore, Huckabee has NO HONOR! Well, I don't want to be united with such a dishonorable lying person.

I will stand united with other good, honorable Americans who uphold and defend the Constitution. If I stand alone, like Ron Paul has all these years, then so be it!

Ron Paul is a psycho who wants America to surrender after the war is won. The only people crazier than him are his supporters (i.e. conspiracy theorists). Good for Huckabee to tell him off for it.

They BROKE the Republican Party and the County, too. The Elephant is Dead. The only thing left to represent the Republican Party now is the big, fat pig of GREED!

The difference between a moral man and a man of honor is that the latter regrets a discreditable act, even when it has worked and he has not been caught.
H. L. Mencken, 'Prejudices: Fourth Series,' 1924
US editor (1880 – 1956)

Ron Paul served as a surgeon in the Air Force during Vietnam. I think he knows the horrors of war and that having Americans continuing home in body bags to continue some sort of honor is disgusting

I am a democrat but I like Dr. Ron Paul!!

Rick in Chicago:

Did the IRAQIS ask us to invade their country? Why are they now to blame for the madness there? The Iraqis must be so grateful that we brought them Al Qaeda and car bombings….much better than before, right Rick?

You are such an idiot.

Paul got it right. Letting a few neoconservatives highjack our foreign policy doesn't mean we should follow in their distorted paths. If the feuding tribs can't get it together and see that we are there to help them, then we need to pull back and let them fight it out. I just hope that this administration doesn't try the same thing in Iran before it leaves.

It's quite obvious that the writer of this article, Alexander Mooney is a Huckabee man. The article is clearly biased in Huckabee's favor and unfortunately CNN has supported his bias in the way this article is presented on the website. I agree with Paul. Huckabee's "honor" is a euphemism for "saving face." The time to leave Iraq is now.

It's easy to talk about having soldiers die to protect 'honor' when you're halfway around the world eating a catered lunch in an air-conditioned office.

Huckabee's out of touch with reality.

In the 1990's I lived in the district that elected Ron Paul. Check out how he did it someday. It was a case of dems outsmarting themselves, and they're still stuck with him.

Huckabee took this one. It's not so much about the honor as it is finishing the job. Paul made some good points, but think of how pointless so many deaths will be if we just throw in the towel, and call it a night. After all, we can argue that all lives lost at war are pointless, because war is pointless–it's just flexing muscles at the cost of lives.

I never thought much of Mike Huckabee when he was my Governor and won't vote for him or any other Republican. But, for once he got something right. We let the Bush administration talk us into a war we had not business starting. We have no choice at this point other than to tough it out and hope a Democrat gets in the White House and can figure out how to get us out of Iraq without losing anymore face than we already have with other nations and bring our young men and women home with dignity and honor.

HUCKABEE IS WRONG, BUSH AND CHENEY'S LIES BROKE IT. THEY LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, LIED TO CONGESS AND THE REST OF THE WORLD THAT WOULD LISTEN.AND IT WAS ALL ABOUT OIL.NOT THE TERROIST.OSAMA HASEN'T BEEN CAUGHT BECAUSE BUSH FORGOT ABOUT HIM.

Ron Paul has my vote… not that I'm naive enough to believe that our votes count.

This is all rather pointless now that Thompson is in the race.

The only one with honor in this exchange was Dr. Paul. 1 dead American soldier in an unjust war is too many — this is an abomination. Why so many self-proclaimed religious people choose death over diplomacy is incomprehensible. Instead of evolving as a country and as a people, we have continuously regressed. If Dr. Paul does not win the nomination the Republican party has absolutely NO chance of winning the election in November '08… None. And deservedly so. The large majority of people in this country don’t want this war, the Iraqi government we’ve set up has said they don’t need us there, but apparently a small group of men with corporate ties want to keep sending our young men and women into a meat grinder no matter how many American and Iraqi families they ruin.

Dear CNN,

If you're going to make a headline like, "Huckabee and Paul tussle on Iraq", then put a picture of them both in the article and not just one… Huckabee.

Thanks!

Brett

Why doesn't CNN add Ron Paul's response to Huckabee about how many soldiers have to die so that we can save face? I thought that was the real zinger of the exchange.

Sounds like Huckabee is taking a page out of the Bush playbook: if you do something stupid that ruins peoples' lives, you then stick with it because acknowledging your mistakes would look like weakness. That is exactly backwards.

Ron Paul's response to "Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor." was the following:

"We have lost over 5000 over there in Afganistan and Iraq. How many more do you want to lose? How long are you going to be there? How long? What do we have to pay to save face? Thats all we're doing is saving face. Its time we come home."

protectorate

Mike Huckabee Won the Debate according to the Anus Magazine Blog.

As in every other debate, Ron Paul is always the winner because he is not an insane war mongerer! He says what is on every reasonable persons mind. Plus I love the fact that he wants to abolish the IRS and Federal Reserve and abolish bush's North American Union which will destroy this country once and for all. If any of those other maniacs gets elected, this country is doomed! Go Ron Paul 2008!!

Ron Paul needs to put the crack pipe down and realise our actions have consequences. Consequences much more severe than taking our toys and going home. His unrealistic approach to politics reminds me of my little brothers take on play time. If he didn't like how things were going, he'd pack up his toys and go leave. Eventually getting the heck kicked out of him by other kids that didn't appreciate him not finishing what he started.

Ron Paul is an absurd choice for President.

Ron Paul won that exchange in my opinion. It was a mistake going into Iraq the only way to fix it is by getting out now. Huckabee seems nice and sincere but his talk of staying for honor was just rhetoric. We keep hearing about Iran being a reason for troops deaths in Iraq yet fail to mention that it's keeping there that keeps them targets for any enemy there. I can't believe we are being sold another war already. Ron Paul is the only candidate I can respect enough to vote for. Peace.

I did not see the debate, but totally agree with Huckabee. We are one country, under God, indivisible. And if we broke it, as Colin Powell so put it a few years ao, we did buy it. And now, it is up to us to help the Iraqis fix it. We do not understand their culture, nor they ours, and that is the crux of the problem. We did not understand, going in, that there was such sectarian division….we made many mistakes, shuting out the Baathe party members 'jut because' was one of them. People need to work, people need to feel a part of the process, and somehow, we need to make that a reality in Iraq for all people.

They grow 'em good in Arkansas….Republican or Democrat…..they grow 'em good in Arkansas…..and that is a lot for me to say……I am from CA originally

This may come as a shock to Mr. Huckabee, but breaking and buying it does not mean that the US can fix it. I also seem to remember that quite a few Iraqis want us to leave NOW. Then again, maybe our honor is more important than the wishes of the Iraqi people.

Ron Paul won the moment hands down!

The Fox News viewers think he won too because he is way ahead in the Fox News Text Messaging Poll at 33%.

Ron Paul Responded with the following (Note: Fox News also left out Ron Paul's response)

We have lost over 5000 over there in Afganistan and Iraq. How many more do you want to lose? How long are you going to be there? How long? What do we have to pay to save face? Thats all we're doing is saving face. Its time we come home.

Ron Paul wins yet another debate and leads in the polls. It's obvious the crowd agreed. He is currently at first at 69% on an MSNBC poll and first with 35% of Fox's text message poll.

He has won 17 top three finishes in straw polls across the country. 6 first place finishes including Maryland just the other night. His money on hand is going to shock everybody when the next quarter reports come in.

Ron Paul will be President… most people just don't it yet.

I do think RP is right, but what exactly in the 9-11 commission report backs up his position?

Yeah MIKE honor is better than losing 100's and 100's of USA lives for OIL, Military industrial complex and ISrael who RON PAUL said has 200-250 nukes so they can protect themselves.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION !!

Unfortunately, this blog left out Ron Paul's final statement in the exchange which was something to the effect of, "We've already lost over 5000 Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq. How many more Americans are we willing to let die in order to save face?"

RON PAUL is my new hero!!! I am shocked that Huckabee said that our American honor is more important than American lives!! Clearly this guy is one who would rather let his family lose everything than swallow his pride and ask for a hand-out. I'm sick of this pro-life stance neo-cons take yet they want to only care about genocide when oil is involved. Why don't we invade Darfur? What's the difference???

"Honor" is an emotional word. Emotions don't always lead to bright ideas.

I personally would not want my child's life to be sacrificed because we are trying to somehow save face. That just doesn't make sense to me. Ron Paul was awesome tonight.

I disagree with the above comment that Huckabees "honor over party" comment won the exchange. Next he completely contradicted himself and said we must like lemings follow what the current policies are no matter what without disent. Dr Paul honorably disents from following an amoral preemptive strike philosophy of the republican administration. Heck "Honor before Party" could be a Ron Paul campaign slogen.

It seemed like a tennis match at the US Open between Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul. These two guys are the strongest players for the Republican Team. They don't waver in their beliefs so they don't have to stop and think about what to say. Unfortunately the referee stopped it when it was starting to get good. Both made strong points, but Huckabee no doubt came out on top.

Huckabee isn't talking about honor… he's talking about saving face. We can't win in Iraq, just like we couldn't win in Viet Nam. Yes, we're going to withdraw, even Bush is talking about drawing down. But we're leaving Iraqis in much worse situation than before we went in. We will withdraw slowly, and as we do more and more Iraqi blood will spill and more Americans will die.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove, you've done a great job. Well over 4,000 Americans will be dead, tens of thousands more maimed and crippled,substandard medical/psychological care when the wounded return home, hundreds of thousands of Americans directly affected by these casualties, 100,000 Iraqis killed.

And this is what Huckabee feels we should honor.

Yes, indeed. Vote Republican in November. For our honor. Any question as to why the world laughs at George Bush?

Huckabee's got nothing but having lost weight. Ron Paul has his integrity behind him, the Constitution in front of him, and any American who cares to be free and have a say in their government right beside him.

I can imagine Mike Huckabee hammering a nail into a piece of wood but when the nail is bent, he keeps hammering away thinking the nail will ultimately straighten out.

Most understand that the Iraq region would undergo a cataclysmic collapse in the event of a rapid withdrawal (and here rapid means about a year, since it is not logistically possible to do it faster).

You know what? I am a Democrat, but this guy Huckabee appears to have some wisdom that reminds me of Democratic candidate Joe Biden. I sincerely hope Huckabee wins the Republican nomination, because, in the words of Bill Maher, "Rudy Giuliani scares the s*$t out of me."

Would Biden/Huckabee or Huckabee/Biden not be a good bipartisan ticket assuming that they are not both nominated? Two candidates with wisdom, practicality, and integrity, who embody the principles of the founding fathers.

Wow, honest debate for a change and two legitimate viewpoints expressed….maybe these are the guys we should be considering–how about a Huckabee-Paul ticket for the Repubs…they can run on an honesty platform! This is the first debate exchange that I have heard that is not pablum….

Who does Huckabee think he's kidding? It's easy to say standing behind a podium; nevermind the young boys who are dying because he "broke it". Paul was a lone voice against the war; bring them home. Reagan did it. Shame on them, saving face at the expense of our boys and the other hundreds of thousands innocents that have died.

You guys make it sound like only Huckabee was getting applause, when in fact it was loud for both. You also fail to mention that Dr. Paul ended the exchange with, "We have lost over 5000 americans in Afghanistan and Iraq, plus civilians killed. How many more do you want to lose? How long are we going to be there? What do we have to pay to save face? That's all we're doing – saving face. It's time we came home."

I must say, it's nice to see Dr. Paul get angry – some people may be tempted to dismiss him, but it shows that he can bring it when it counts. If I were him, I would have lost my patience long ago with the politically correct pandering of the other candidates.

Dr. Paul is a man who understands and exudes honor and integrity, and shame on Mike Huckabee for using the idea of American honor for his own gain, as though he were the only one that cared.

That is not objective reporting – look at the applause interpretation. Ron Paul was discussing the root cause of the issue. Understanding the root cause helps us come to a real solution – and end to the Iraq war.

He is not weak. People who think he is weak just because he doesnt want to police the world and because he wants the congress to go to war not the President only, do not understand, appreciate or love our constitution.

Ron Paul cares about human life more than anyone on that stage because of his widthdrawal position. It also will make us more secure that extending ourselves, forcing ourselves across the globe.

Iran is a threat – but lets deal with it in a sane, intelligent manner. And if force is required. Ron Paul will go to the congress to authorize war against them.

Huckabee understands true authority and resposibilty. We, as a nation, interfered where we shouldn't have, but it doesn't mean we can just quit once we realized our mistake. We unleashed Al-Qeda and the hell that is going on there, not the average Iraqui. I'd rather vote for someone with honor than someone who changes his mind to keep his office.

Ron Paul needed to keep up the attack on the hijacking of US foreign policy by the neocons. World opinion understands this is exactly what happened to the US and does _not_ hold the American people responsible for this hijacking of our government. There should be a housecleaning of the US government starting within the GOP led by Ron Paul.

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Wow! What a powerful debate. I have to say both candidates do make sense with some of their rhetoric. Yes, the past is for historians to debate. Yes, a small select group of manipulative neoconservatives did this to our country. However, No, I don't believe we should continue to allow our soldiers to die for a cause that has nothing to do with us. Yes, we did break it, but no, we cannot fix it; although it sure seems like we are doing our best at buying it. The Iraqi's are the only people who can fix it. I don't think their country has the means of building a democracy at this point in time. They must do what they need to in order to achieve stability and peace. They need to figure out what needs to be done to get out of a civil war. Our honor died worldwide when we went to war and violated international law. We can improve our honor by listening to others for a change.

Huckabee has a point that no one can deny. We screwed it up and have the moral oblgation to fix it.

Yell all you want. If we leave tell. please tell me how the place doesnt break into a post-Soviet Afganistan which is pimped out for terrorism by Iran and Al Queda like Lebanon. BTW, Iran is the leader of all Islamic terrorism and Iraq's neighbor…

We are there and must grow a spine to deal with OUR mistake. (OUR=both parties voted to go into Iraq)

It kills me to see my Marine brothers die in a worthless country. But I can envision much worse if we leave and give Iran the upper hand.

Really? Honor over preserving the lives of our servicemen? Honor over implementing the correct foreign policy?

Honor? Is that all we are fighting for now in Iraq? What a stupid reason to continue a war.

Ron Paul WON hands down…On MSNBC poll…he is currently getting 51% of the vote out of 40,000 votes thus far! The People are finally waking up to the Corporate Mass Media manipulation, the Republican Party Elitists and the Neo-Con Con-Job that has been played on this country for years!

As a Republican for the last 50 years I am once again proud that we have a Statesman seeking office. When I read Ron Paul's book A Foreign Policy of Freedom, I knew that he was not only the most rational politician in Washington, but probably one of the most intelligent. It is time for this Party and this rapidly fading Nation to return to REASON and RATIONAL DECISIONS!

I'm quite alarmed that an ordained minister equates honor to perpetuating death and destruction. "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil." How could one read the Federalist Papers (and the arguments of the Anti-Federalists) and still choose any of these seven totalitarians over Ron Paul?

Ron Paul had the loudest cheers, I was so happy to see a constitutionalist Republican on stage that I'm going to donate to this guy right now. Looking at this guy's record now, I don't know how he isn't going to get the GOP nomination.

That isn't how the 'tussle' ended. Can you please edit your post so that people can see the whole conversation and see what Paul's response was? Also, making it seem that Paul didn't receive any applause is amusing, at best.

If you go off the applause, Huckabee won the exchange. Paul's supporters might be loud but the roar grew louder each time Huckabee spoke.

For you people who mistakenly think Ron Paul meant we should value Party over Honor is wrong. Huckabee is the one who implied that. Ron Paul said that we should value the lives of American People over saving face.

Huckabee is not a bad person, but the logic of "honor over elections" is flawed. You'd lose the election because you want to stay over there. Reagan pulled out of Beirut when he realized how crazy the situation was over there, after saying he wouldn't. Too bad Paul doesn't point that out. Mainstream GOP thinks everything Reagan did was right.

Huckabee is real psycho!

Paul has common sense and logic.

While you're protecting your honor, Mr. Huckabee, U.S. soldiers and Iraqi civilians are being killed.

Ron Paul is dead on! You don't continue making the same mistake just to save face.

Though Huckabee's comments had their own validity, your story does not mention that Ron Paul received as much if not more applause for his comments during this exchange. He was the clear crowd favorite.

Ron Paul, WOW, the more I hear the Good Doctor speak, the more I want to help him win. Our meetups is growing phenomenally.

It's good to see a real debate break out. I respect Huckabee a lot, but my heart's been with Ron for a long time. We have to change our policy in the middle east, and listen to those who were right – not those who have been wrong.

Ron Paul destroyed Huckabee in the exchange!

Ron Paul exhibits the most common sense consistently.

I have a question for Huckabee and all the other, how many more people have to die in order to us to leave with "honor"? I don't even know what leaving Iraq with "honor" means. We don't have any more business there. It is time to end it.

I hope and pray that people awaken and Ron Paul gets the Republican nomination. I don't see myself voting for anyone else.

Huckabee's analogy is plain lame. I hope he keeps that broken object in a safe place.

Welcome to the 51st state of the United States. May Mr. Huckabee become its inaugural governor.

Rock on, President Paul!

Ron Paul clearly had the high ground. Should the honor of the neocons be more important than what the American people want?

To hold our entire nation responsible for the mistake of this irresponsible and arrogant administration and to support continuance of the mistake is absolutely ludicrous.

Iraq is not a discussion for historians, it's a serious subject for the American people to consider right now. And the consideration is a simple one: are the small number of people in the Bush administration who supported, promoted and prosecuted the reckless adventure of invading Iraq subject to prosecution for negligence, for lying to Congress and the American people? And is the Commander-in-Chief liable for dereliction of duty for failing to discharge his duties satisfactorily managing this war?

Paul was dead on when he said "we're staying there to "save face"…That's not a good reason to get our brave men and women killed !!

Huckabee is definitely from another planet. He does not deserve being elected in any way because he will be Dubbya II

Ron Paul is probably the best Republican candidate this election will ever see, his integrity is intact. A true STATESMAN not just another POLITICIAN.

Ron Paul was amazing tonight and spoke so much TRUTH that none of the other candidates understood or wanted the people to know about!!!

Ron Paul clearly had the high ground. Hmm, should the honor of the neocons be more important than what the people want?

Ron Paul owned this debate. He looked very good.

Ron Paul got the closing comment. How much do we have to spend to save face? Huckabee has nothing to say.

I believe Ron Paul won the exchange. I would prefer to have our soldiers lives protected rather than worry about the honor of the few who decided to launch this war in the first place.

Im sorry but this is cut short, it did int even get to RP's response on the "honor" statement. If this is going to be put up at least include the whole tussle

New reports say Iraq needs another 12-18 months for their security force to be ready, will we be broke by then?

Regardless, we need to support freedom- if you want to fix Iraq send your money there, if you don't, then don't.

Don't buy into the mindless "one nation" non-sense, that means we all are forced to do what the “leaders” say- that’s not freedom which this country claims to be about. Will we stand for freedom or tyranny? We must end taxation slavery (the real issue).

What an exchange. Ron Paul was the only honest person on the stage, as is usual at these debates, which are just political theatre.

Why doesn't Ron Paul get more respect? Hopefully he will after the next Quarter campaign finance numbers come out. But I won't hold my breath.

This refers to Colin Powell's Pottery Barn rule, "If you break it, you own it."

Ron Paul destroyed everyone in that debate–with logic and facts!

Don't forget to vote for Ron in the poll! Text R6 to 36288 !!!

Both made some good points. I'm personally against the war so I like what Ron Paul had to say. Paul has often said that a true patriot is one who disents when they see bad policy continuing to happen. Huckabee seemed passionate and while I'd like to see Ron Paul win, I'd rather see Huckabee representing the Republicans than Giuliani, Romney, or McCain.

Why did the reporter paraphrase Huckabee's full response? In response to Paul's comment that Iraq is causing the GOP to lose elections, Huckabee's initial response was that this was more important than the Republican party. I won't vote for Huckabee but I found it refreshing for a Presidential candidate to come out in a debate and say that an issue was more important than the party itself. That is how it should be but too many politicians put their party over the greater good.

The difference between Huckabee and Paul is that Paul actually knows what he's talking about. Huckabee just wants to continue what Bush started, and never end it. We CAN NOT WIN in Iraq, the best way to keep our nation secure and to save more American lives is to just get out.

Ron Paul's exchange in this debate should go down in American History as memorable. How history portrays it is yet to be seen. It is refreshing to see a politician for president who is so close to achieving the office speak the God honest truth.

Rudy Giuliani is a rude idiot. He laughed at Ron Paul, every time Paul had a question. We want a president like Adolph Giuliani, or do we want a president who respects others?

Quite a biased assessment. If the crowd "roared" for anyone, Paul got the best of it.

Huckabee replied loudly, "Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor."

You can't be serious!? Huckabee would rather have our troops die and go to needless and unconstitutional wars so that we won't lose our honor? You've got to be kidding me!

Of course, my Internet feed of the debate crapped out right before this exchange. Come on youtube!

I don't understand anything that Huckabee said. We need to honor those who have died… we honor them by letting more Americans die? At the end of the day, we're going to have a boat load of honor.

Personally, I think lives, of both Americans and Iraqis, are more important than our 'honor.'

I was infuriated to hear Huckabee dare to say "we are one nation." If any of the Republicans besides Paul realized that we are a nation that is tired of the Iraq war, with upwards of 70% of the people against it, perhaps they'd be inclined to listen to us! The audacity, in a completely negative sense, of that statement was completely offensive.

The American people have bought the Iraq War, Mr. Huckabee, and we did so against our will. We have bought it with $600 billion of hard-earned money, and with the blood of 3,700 of the truly best people this country has to offer. I for one am tired of "buying it" and I fear for the classmates and people I know who are entering military service.

Yes, Mr. Huckabee, we have been forced to buy it, and are still paying for it, and will pay in blood and money for a long time to come.

God bless Ron Paul for standing with the American people.

So saving face is more important than american lives for an illegal war, one which wa gone into under false pretense, now it is against radical Islam, what power do they have?

How do you fight an enemy with no powerbase, spec ops does it. Dr. Ron Paul is the only one on stage speaking truth, and it is self evident.

Ron Paul is right. Huckabee was looking for an opportunity to get his name in the paper. He was successful but was made to look stupid by the Congressman from Texas.

Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee are great people. Ron Paul would be a great president. We all need to make our vote count and vote Ron Paul. He's right, and even the top brass in the military says we can't win. Let's support the troops and bring em home. Only Ron Paul will bow to the American people.

The bias of this post is disturbing. You didn't even include Ron Paul's last line in the exchange.

Ron Paul clearly won that exchange. The 9/11 comission report backs up his position…common sense.

Mr. Huckbee,

It's the IRAQIS that have a responsibility to: put aside their tribal mentality, start fighting and dying for their OWN country, reach benchmarks, and pressure their govt to achieve a political solution rather than contemplate vacations cuz it's "too hot".

We've done enough – their incredibly long grace period is OVER!

Huckabee's honor-over-party closing comment won the moment and, it being off-the-cuff, showed the kind of integrity that he has.

As a country do we go over the cliff since we can't be divided.

Huckabee is a lemming. Paul makes some sobering statements. I think our soldiers lives are worth more than our honor. Their honor is without question and how many of them have to die before this party understands that our soldiers are dying for nothing.

Ron Paul is kind of psycho – I love it!

Good for you, Governor Huckabee! Paul may be a rambling, confused man, but it was still a big victory for you to stand up for what is right.

Ron Paul is the man! Finally Fox is giving him some air time and some freedom to have some back and forth.

America needs to take a step back and analyze its Foreign policy. It is out of control and is making more people hate us then anything else.

Ron Paul is the best choice to reverse course and sounds very clear and intelligent tonight.

Of course he is right and we certainly "bought it" for a generation (or more) to come because we really broke it in the worst way imaginable.
However do we let those that broke it, the evangelical right-wingers, "fix" it any more?

Yea. Honor is 100x more important than Human Life in Iraq.

I will be sure to alert Huckabee's pro-life followers that he thinks Honor is more important than life.