September 12th, 2007
06:18 PM ET
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Giuliani calls MoveOn.org 'disgusting,' slams Clinton

Giuliani was sharply critical of a recent MoveOn.org ad.

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani Wednesday sharply criticized the MoveOn.org newspaper ad attacking Gen. David Petraeus, and said New York Sen. Hillary Clinton was expressing 'political venom' during her recent questioning of the general.

During an appearance on the "Randy and Spiff Radio Show" in Atlanta, Georgia, the Republican White House hopeful called the ad "one of the more disgusting things that has happened in American politics," and said "it's unfortunate" more Democratic candidates haven't spoken out against the liberal advocacy group's ad.

"I think the failure of the Democratic candidates to really condemn that, given how much money Moveon.org spends on behalf of Democratic candidates, which is millions if not hundreds of millions, is really, I really think it’s very, very unfortunate," he said

Giuliani then scolded Clinton directly for her comments during Petraeus' testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee Tuesday when she said his progress report required "a willing suspension of disbelief."

"I really do think to accuse a general of the ‘willing suspension of disbelief,' - particularly in the atmosphere that Moveon.org has created with these terrible attacks - I think that’s not the way in a responsible way to go about forging the foreign policy of the United States and the military policy of the United States," he said.

What we need right now is a reasoned account, we need statesmanship not political venom," he added.

The ad in question was published in the New York Times Monday and displayed a large black-and-white picture of Petraeus with the caption "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?" Below the picture, the ad alleged the general would likely be untruthful in his testimony on Iraq for political reasons.

For the record, Moveon.org supporters have contributed over $108,000 to Democratic presidential candidates this year through the group’s political action committee, according to Federal Election Commission records. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, led his party’s field in contributions received through Moveon.org, with just over $30,000 since the start of his campaign.

Related: Lawmakers seek to condemn Petraeus 'betray us' ad

– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney


Filed under: Rudy Giuliani
soundoff (113 Responses)
  1. John, Charlotte, NC

    Where was his condemnation of the Republican attack machine during the last handful of elections? If the right wing can sling mud, so can the left.

    September 12, 2007 07:21 pm at 7:21 pm |
  2. Ray, Rochester

    Right on Rudy! Continue the fight! Hillary is a hypocrite and a manipulator. You will kick her **s in a head to head contest.

    We're behind you!

    Oh yeah, to those of you who bring up the NYC firefighters being anti-Rudy...well of course they are. They're a union and we all know unions love Democrats.

    September 12, 2007 07:23 pm at 7:23 pm |
  3. Adam, Philadelphia, PA

    Oh I see. It's not okay to call a lying General lying on behalf of a lying President a traitor. However, it is okay to refer to all those who disagree with the war as traitors, just as the Republicans did in 2004 and continue to do. Reality is on the dems' side in both cases.

    September 12, 2007 07:29 pm at 7:29 pm |
  4. Christian, Tampa FL

    While the MoveOn.org ad wasn't exactly the best way for the organization to express themselves, let's keep in mind that they present a point of view that potentially 53% of the country feels: that General Petraeus was not in the position to give us a completely objective report, and that the White House is using him for their benefit.

    I believe that Petraeus is a good military leader. However, his testimony is besides the point when it comes to the war simply because the fundamental problems in Iraq cannot be solved through military means.

    As was said by someone else on these forums, what happens if things calm down and we leave in a couple of years, and then someone blows up a mosque and it all starts up again? Are we going to re-invade?

    Truly, the point of this discussion has a lot more to do with the overall point of the war, not just the military tactics being employed.

    September 12, 2007 07:34 pm at 7:34 pm |
  5. Tom Dedham, Mass

    John from "Cally", you weren't in Vietnam with those Swiftboat VETERANS and John Kerry, all of them were just as decorated and many were more decorated than he and they were there a lot longer than Kerry was.

    They are the only people that know the REAL truth and if Kerry was so sure that they were all lies he would have went after them immediately, like any rational person would have.

    He didn't fully release his records for years and again we don't know what was in them, but that does put up a flag.

    Many of these guys hated his guts for his treasonous personal attacks when he came home and they never will forgive him.

    And Moveon does have the resources and the clout to enable the Democratic party, I love it when they spew their hateful lies as it makes them look like fools. Free speech for Moveon.

    September 12, 2007 07:38 pm at 7:38 pm |
  6. Sean Schubert Anchorage, Alaska

    I'm assuming R. Giuliani was also quick to condemn the Swift Boat ads depicting Kerry as anything but a hero as well. What a hypocrite...as are all the Republicans that are screaming at the tops of their voices right now. Was the ad appropriate? No, but it only has as much power as individuals assign to it. This is just Giuliani et al jockeying for support and political points. MoveOn should be disappointed for giving him and people like him a rallying cry. Petraeus the soldier should never come into question. Petraeus the potential tool of this regime should always be questioned. It's not about the man, but rather about how the man, whether knowingly or not, is and has been used.

    September 12, 2007 07:42 pm at 7:42 pm |
  7. Marc Gendron

    If you want the truth on Guiliani... read the books "Grand Illusion, The Untold Story of Rudy Guiliani" by Wayne Barett; and The Emperor of New York by Andrew Kirtzman.

    The city of New York was under such dictatorship that we New Yorkers were anxious for him to depart. Teachers,police,firemen disliked him, gays, organized labor, unions, Amadu Dialo, Abner Luima...need I say more? He has no merit.

    September 12, 2007 07:59 pm at 7:59 pm |
  8. Mac Mansa, San Francisco, CA

    Have all the righteously outraged Republicans forgotten what their ads did to Senator Max McClellan, or the "Swift-boating" of senator Kerry, just to name a couple? For venom, those ads had no equal . Their true hatefulness makes the MoveOn ad seem like a love song. It would serve them well to remember that when you do unto others, sooner or later, someone will do unto you. So stop crying, Rudy et al., and Move On. There are real issues to be taken care of.

    September 12, 2007 08:05 pm at 8:05 pm |
  9. Wayne, Agoura Hills CA

    "..the Republican White House hopeful called the ad "one of the more disgusting things that has happened in American politics,""

    the swiftboat debacle comes to mind as far more disgusting...Giuliani and the Republicans sure are good at whining when their own political hatchet tactics are turned on them...

    As for the General...everyone knows what his marching orders are..support the failed Bush agenda..and i agree with Clinton that believing the generals "report" requires "a willing suspension of disbelief."

    September 12, 2007 08:22 pm at 8:22 pm |
  10. Daniel SLC UT

    Republicans are crazy. Keep praying you're going to need a miracle.

    GO HILLARY!
    She is going to win and if you don't like it move to Iraq.

    September 12, 2007 08:24 pm at 8:24 pm |
  11. Rod Tims Shelton CT

    What goes around comes around. I guess Rudy forgot about the "Swift Boat" ads that slandered John Kerry. I don't remember him criticizing them.

    September 12, 2007 08:31 pm at 8:31 pm |
  12. MCD, San Francisco, CA

    Perhaps somebody should point out to Da Mayor that using the tradgedy of 9/11 for years to bolster his carreer is disgusting.

    September 12, 2007 08:32 pm at 8:32 pm |
  13. Les, Phx AZ

    In a time when our armed forces need our support the most, we have sites like moveon and some political candidates bring down thier will. We all want our troops to come home as soon as possible, but not before it is the right time. What people don't think about is that we will lose more troops and maybe more citizens if Iraq isn't stable. How many years did it take the United States to get where we are now. It took our FOUNDING FATHERS from 1781 to 1787 to write our Constitution, but we expect another country to write thiers with in a couple of years, and they have many more problems. This war has had an unbelieveable low number of deaths than any other war in United States history, even though just one life lost is to much, but compare it to those lives lost on 9-11 or the possibe deaths that could be caused by radical religous groups that will pop up if we fail in Iraq. It is a shame that some of our countrys possible new leaders and groups like moveon use the war in Iraq to bring down the will of our soliders for thier on selfish intrest "to beat thier opponents". The self serving groups like moveon and bad political candidates will be the down fall of this country.

    September 12, 2007 08:36 pm at 8:36 pm |
  14. Bob, San Francisco, CA

    >I agree Mr. Giuliani's criticizing.
    Senate Democrats are making another mistake same as General MacArthur had been fired by them during Korean War.
    If they listened to General MacArthur's opinion at the time, North Korea Regime could not exist for now.

    >Posted By H. Shim, Tustin, California

    MacArthur wanted to drop atomic bombs all over China ferchrisssakes!! Are you insane?

    September 12, 2007 08:39 pm at 8:39 pm |
  15. Michael, Granite Bay, Ca

    I have one liberal friend, he could of written every single anti-Bush, anti- war post written on these pages or in the entire blogosphere, your rants are carbon copies of each other. This proves you are incapable of thinking for yourselves. I have wondered for sometime why I have met so few of the so called majority of Americans who think like you and have come to the conclusion that you are probably the minority in reality, it's only that this minority never stops running it mouth repeating the same mantra. I know that you will never change your positions or even consider any other position because your minds are closed. Small minds think alike and assume they know all.

    September 12, 2007 08:42 pm at 8:42 pm |
  16. Ronald Sousa, Asheville, NC

    Obviously, the actual political venom is Giuliani's. How else can one characterized a presentation that was obviously politically scripted before the general set foot on Capitol Hill?

    September 12, 2007 08:45 pm at 8:45 pm |
  17. Greg, Phoenix, AZ

    Hillary continues to make questionable decisions and I think this should convince voters that she is utterly lacking in any ability to make good decisions as president of the US.

    Accusing Petraeus of not being competent to run the military after supporting his appointment is just another instance of flip-flopping in order to score political points with the liberal Democrats. She supported the Iraq action then changed when it suited her political interests.

    This combined with her recent campaign finance scandal will do nothing but help the Republican candidate in portraying her as a poor leader.

    September 12, 2007 08:56 pm at 8:56 pm |
  18. Anonymous

    I think I found something a little more disgusting: When Rudy filed for divorce in 1999, he had "$2500" total. During this campaign, per finance laws, he revealed that he has over $30 million.

    Now THAT's disgusting.

    September 12, 2007 08:59 pm at 8:59 pm |
  19. Susan Jones, Henderson, NV.

    I personally think Giuliani is disgusting after having an affair on his wife, while attesting to having conservative right-wing "Christian" values. Move-On.org seems to be a thorn in the side of the right wingers and as a member, I am quite happy about that. If this were Hitler's Germany, perhaps they could throw us all in prison as opposition to the "state"...that is, George W. Bush's "State". However, this is America and we want change. No apology needed nor given!

    September 12, 2007 09:15 pm at 9:15 pm |
  20. Stanley Stolpa Ft. Eustis Va.

    After watching the senate and the congress this week. I can think of 535 great reasons for term limits.

    September 12, 2007 09:16 pm at 9:16 pm |
  21. Stephen Trask Lexington KY

    Yet again, Republicans have a never ending ability to invent new excuses for outrage. In this case, that excuse would be
    "accusing a general of a willing suspension of disbelief." Had he been a colonel that would have been one thing, but a general? That's going too far.

    September 12, 2007 09:19 pm at 9:19 pm |
  22. Tony Nazar, Wilton, ME

    The ad was sophomoric.

    Rudy's reaction was typically Republican – an attack.

    I thought better of MoveOn.

    I wasn't surprised by Rudy's reaction.

    September 12, 2007 09:27 pm at 9:27 pm |
  23. John Greensboro NC

    Hillary is disgusting

    September 12, 2007 09:34 pm at 9:34 pm |
  24. Robert Burns, San Diego, California

    Nice smoke screen from the Ghoul. This blurb from my local Republican paper is all that needs to be considered: "A visibly heated Sen. John Warner, R-Va., asked Petraeus whether his proposal on Iraq would make America safer. Petraeus replied: 'Sir, I don't know, actually. I have not sat down and sorted that out in my mind. What I have focused on and riveted on is how to accomplish the mission of the multinational force in Iraq.'”

    September 12, 2007 09:37 pm at 9:37 pm |
  25. Matt Redwood City, CA

    Where were all of these Republicans who find ads like this disgusting when the SwiftBoat ads were questioning Kerry's service to his country and loyalty toward our troops? Those ads were outright lies! Politicians are so hypocritical it disgusts me!

    September 12, 2007 09:40 pm at 9:40 pm |
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