i would have to say "freedom of speech" isnt as intelligent when it is used in the context of "how's that for freedom of speech" maybe it would have meant more if you expressed views on the current state of this country's current situation, instead of calling names to an orginazation that is just expressing their views, the same as you. very hipocritical i would say.....hows that for blah blah blah...

Moveon.org is nothing more than a bunch of traitors! (How is that for Freedom of Speech?)

its great how you can say the iraq war is a "bad situation" A BAD SITUATION!??! do you even understand what is happening. people are dying every day people are losing their children their fathers, mothers brothers EVERY DAY!!!!! and you quickly dismiss it as a "bad situation" and go on to quote hillary's words.....america is so backwards. do you UNDERSTAND THE REPUBLICANS SCREWED UP VERY BAD....DISGRACEFUL what are you defending? the iraqi war is not just "one of the issues" we are destroying ourselves with this pathetic "war". what is wrong with america!??!it is an atrocity. george bush and his administration is responsible and should be removed NOW not in a year.......

Wearing a uniform does not make you credible, honest or great. I am not challenging the General's long service and sacrafice. However the good General also has a responsibility to those serving under him and in my eyes he has lost sight of that as have many before him. Westmoreland....

And far as criticizing Bush and the Republicans, I do that. And I will be all over anyone no matter the politcal affiliation until my brothers and sisters are home. No I am not naive enough to think they can all be home now, but we need to start!

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Senator Vitter, I presume......

A TV ad for 5 days as cheap as a one page newspaper ad? What? Is this another family discount??

CNN "Betrays US" too.

Since he walks lock step with Bush in supporting the greatest foreign policy debacle of our time he's gotta talk about something.

The only nonsense I see, Dan, is your weak attempts at justifying Rudy's whining. He said the ad slandered Petraeus; just as Rove & Co. slandered Max Cleland; just as the Swiftboaters slandered Kerry. It has nothing to do with who donates to who but EVERYTHING to do with selective outrage ... a pitiful GOP attribute indeed.

Therefore, YOUR argument is nonsense.

Get a life!

Chris Wilmington,

This whole war has been about perjury, I too served my country honorably, the difference is I choose to speak up based on my conviction that this war is a mistake and the General wants to keep his job. He is between a rock and a hard spot. It is his choice!

Guilliani, 9/11, terrorists and Iraq. When is he going to stop running on 9/11? He did practically nothing, NYC citizens were the heros that day. When is he going to stop linking terrorism and Iraq? There were no terroists in Iraq before the war. The terrorists came when we unitlaterly attacked that country.

The republicans record when it comes to terrorism and this war is terrible. The situation is worse not better. Time to give someone else a try.

It is tempting to think about two veto-proof houses controlled by the democrats and a republican president who will be stuck with Bush's failed Iraq policy.

I don't blindly follow anyone. If you'll reread my post, you'll see that I call for restraint in the exercise of our rights at times. Just so you know, I'm well informed, well read, I just don't happen to subscribe to the view that vocal, harsh criticism is what is best for our country. I also never said that I didn't question the leadership, I just do it in a more civilized way than the hate filled left and right do. I also happen to be a religious person, and I do not in any way shape or form "follow with no justicifation of credibility". But then again, that is exactly the type of language I expect to find on this message board.

"Pete, Bill, & AJ Are you suggesting that only dems should have the right to free speech? "

Your fundemental mistake here is to assume that I may be a democrat, surprise I am a Republican who is not very happy with the party. I feel betrayed and I am man enough to admitt that America is in trouble. I served my nation for 26 years because I believe in the constitution and I am proud to defend our rights even those of people that I may not agree with.

Is the problem the content of the ad or is Giuliani whining because he didn't have a coupon? The Times is allowed to have an editorial opinion whether that was the reason for the discounted ad or not. They are a business and no one should appreciate the separation between public policy and a business more than a Republican. You can't have your cake and eat it too Rudolph.

The ad isn't that bad"

Love that quote from Christian in Tampa, FL. So if we also released an add w/ John Edwards on the front and the words hypocrite pasted across his forehead for wasting cash on such a huge house while he talks about poverty – I guess that wouldn't be that bad either, right? I guess you have to have integrity first before you can actually see when someone else's is called into question.

I listened to the testimony before Congress and Obama and McCain were the only heavy hitters that treated the man with the respect he deserves. Clinton was there to put on a show and it was clear that she had one agenda and it wasn't to find out the truth and/or what was going on. It was to attack and make herself look good.

Clinton has no interest in making this country better. In fact, the only way she can succeed in this election is if America fails in Iraq. Her candidacy is tied directly to American failure. She would take pleasure and glorify if more American lives are lost. Is that the type of candidate we want? Someone that's cheering for more soldiers to be killed? I don't think so.

To be honest, I don't know enough about Obama's leadership and toughness to say one way or the other, but he seems intelligent and honest. McCain doesn't have a shot at winning, but he truly has a good heart and is open and honest about what he feels on every issue...he's not political and we need that.

Overall, I believe that there is freedom of speech in this country, but what moveon.org and Hillary Clinton and others have done is just UNPATRIOTIC and they should be reprimanded the only place it hurts for them...in the polls and in the poll of public opinion.

Those of you who say Democrats should stand up to Move On, should also get a grip. FREE SPEECH PEOPLE

I concur with the blogger who mentioned Generals being retired when they didn't concur with what Mr. Bush wants.

Rudy is a SICKO, he was married to his 2nd cousin for 14 years, that is disgusting. Many cultures marry their cousins, but that's not how we normally do things in AMERICA. What does that same about him. Not only was he married to his second cousin, he knew it was his second cousin, they grew up together. NASTY

I don't like him for many reasons, but I do hold his handling of his personal life against him. If he can't respect his wives, and kids, that says something about his character. Also, I'm concerned about the company he keeps, and the people he stand up for, saying they are the best people he knows. His best friend was defrocked for allegations of sex abuse, another friend brought up on corruption charges. That's great he stands up for his friends, my usually friends have many things in common. Things that make you wonder.

This is a classic case of RDS - "Republican Double-Standard Syndrome."

Petraeus has been a total FUBAR

What in the world are you talking about? The reason that Hitler's regime was able to methodically exterminate 6 MM Jews and 6 MM other people is because the people of Germany did not stand up to their own government and speak out. If responsible Germans had taken out a full page ad in the Berlin Times exposing the lies their own government was spewing out, well maybe things would be different and I would have more relatives.

The United States is a great nation because we not only ALLOW moveon.org to put an ad in the newspaper, we encourage it. That's what the press is for – YOU FREAKING IDIOTS. They are the way people of the US get information that is NOT sanitized or spun by the government. You can watch CNN and Fox, hear different viewpoints and then make your own judgement.

PS – Hi Sue

George, when good-natured people say things as bizarre as Ron Paul was, they smile.

Sue & David, Hillary called a distinguished general a liar in roundabout words and didn't denounce the ad. She should apologize.

Lis & Joan, I didn't hear Rudy say that he wants to cancel the 1st Amendment. He merely said that the comments were wrong. Does Rudy have any less right to critize someone than Hillary?

Bill & Veronica, The Swiftboaters don't contribute to Rudy's campaign efforts like MoveOn.org does for Hillary. Your argument is nonsense.

Charlotte, Check newsbusters.org for a dose of which side of the political spectrum floats around in fantasyland.

Millie, you are obviously unaware of what Rudy did on 9-11. I ask you to view the tapes of a calm, organized, and collected man on that day.

Pete, Bill, & AJ Are you suggesting that only dems should have the right to free speech? Intesting...

Bernie, based on what information? From the mainstream media? Now, there's an accurate protrayal of the world. Check newsbusters.org for a reality check

Steve, I love how your link is to MoveOn to put us all in our place about the facts. It's obvious that they are selling an agenda.

CL, could you please make some sense or not post?

Len, I think being on the side of national security is a pretty good side to be on.

Christopher, Rudy did comment on the testimony. Did you bother looking for it before speaking?

Sarah, of course it got the same rate. If they didn't, they're whole paper would come down.

Jessica, yes and did you know that Big Foot, the Locness Monster, and the Tooth Fairy sat down for tea the other day?

George, thanks for your "expert" analysis, but I think I'll pass for someone who knows something about it.

J0shLe0, the one channel that doesn't have a liberal bias is constantly under attack. Will you not be satisifed until you have them all?

Rich, Of course you have a right to feel anything you want.

OK, now. Let's give Rudy credit for pouncing on what is an important issue. The leading dem candidate thinks that she can call military commanders liars in colorful language when she has at best 1% of the knowledge that he has about the situation. Neither Rudy nor Clinton has military experience, so between the two of them, I'd much rather have the one that trusts and believe in the people who have the most of that kind of experience. I'm glad he went to bat for our distinguished general and I think we should all appreciate that no matter what our political agenda.

Moveon.org is a 527 group, which is a tax exempt classification. 527 groups do not directly advocate a political candidate, otherwise they fall under PAC restrictions.

527 groups are a protected form of free speech under the Constitution as declared by the Supreme Court in the case of Federal Election Commission v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which was instrumental in the character assassination of John Kerry is also a 527 group. I don't remember Bush standing up to the Swiftboats.

I guess "scum-bag" depends on which side of the aisle you sit on.