Watch Vice President Cheney's reaction to MoveOn.org's Petraeus 'betray us' ad.
KANSAS CITY, Missouri (CNN) - Vice President Dick Cheney on Monday waded into the week-old controversy over a newspaper advertisement that criticized the top U.S. commander in Iraq, using a speech at a Republican fund-raiser to call the ad "an outrage."
Republicans have blasted the full-page New York Times ad by the anti-war activist group MoveOn.org, which questioned whether Gen. David Petraeus was "cooking the books" in his report to Congress last week. GOP lawmakers have demanded that Democrats disavow the Sept. 11 ad, which was titled "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?" (Related video: Strategy Session: Was MoveOn out of line?)
"Like most Americans I admire the integrity and the candor that General Petraeus showed in his hearings before Congress," Cheney said during a fund-raiser for Missouri Republican congressman Sam Graves. "The attacks on him by MoveOn.org in ad space provided at subsidized rates in the New York Times last week were an outrage."
The Times said last week that MoveOn.org paid $65,000 for the page - the normal rate for an advocacy ad from a non-profit group, according to newspaper spokeswoman Catherine Mathis. The newspaper had no additional comment Monday.
Cheney was one of the leading advocates of the 2003 invasion of Iraq and remains one of the now-unpopular war's most outspoken supporters. Fellow Republicans have used the MoveOn.org ad to attack Democrats who now support withdrawing American troops from the conflict.
"It's bad enough when politicians turn their backs on a war they voted for and supported when it was popular," Cheney said Monday. "But no one in politics, regardless of party, should hesitate to object when an American soldier at war is mocked and insulted."
Democrats have repeatedly attacked the vice president's credibility on Iraq. He told CNN in 2005 that the now 4-year-old insurgency was in its "last throes," and said in 2001 that it was "pretty well confirmed" that Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker in the al Qaeda attacks on New York in Washington, had met with an Iraqi intelligence official in the Czech Republic.
The independent commission that investigated the attacks later found that Atta was in the United States when the meeting was supposed to have taken place.
Where were Cheney and his fellow white, puffy, neocon friends when Senator Kerry was swiftboated?
I think Cheney's hypocrisy, lies, overstepping his limits as vice-president, attempting to undermine the Constitution, leading us into an unwinnable, unsustainable, indefensible war against whomever he dislikes at any moments' notice, without any checks and balances, and against the majority of Americans' wishes an outrage!!!!
How else can you take the general's report? The figures that he used didn't line up with other reports from other government and private agencies. Vice President Cheney has also played fast and loose with the truth. This war was sold to both congress and the american people. If the truth would have been known we wouldn't have been in this mess. The congress voted for and supported the war because they were lied to. Cheney also still insists that there is a tie between Iraq and 9/11 which he knows to be false. They knew there was no wmd and they still attacked a country. The "betray us" tag also applies to the president and vice president.
The organization "MoveOn" has lost any respect that I might have had for them. To suggest that General David Petraeus had somehow betrayed our country and our military by suggesting that his presentation to congress was a form of "cooking the books" is an outrage! General Petraeus risks his life and the life of his troops attempting to find solutions to an unbelivably complex problem in Iraq. He is at least working on a solution. I wonder what the staff and members of "MoveOn.org" are doing to solve the Iraq problem other than shoot their mouths off and offer vague suggestions of improper reporting by General Petraeus.
I spent 20 years in the US Navy and have worked befor and fter my time in the civilain world and I can tell you even with all the reported scandal in the military, that General Petraeus and person in uniform have more integrity than I have seen in dealing with the civilain population and especially politicians. To those who keep bringing up the swiftboats and John Kerry, the Senators biggest problem was and still is his calling Viet Nam Vets,like my dad "war criminals and baby killers" while testifying infront of Congress in 1971. It was this attitude that resulted in my dad being spit on and called a "baby killer" at S.F aiport while coming home for his 9 year old sons funeral.
MoveOn.org is just one more tool utilized by the "Left-Wing Conspiracy."
Most of you seem to need a trip down memory lane....
Swift Boat ads – these were soldiers that had served in Vietnam aside Kerry. These soldiers were disputing Kerry's account of actual events.
Moveon.Org ad – liberal rich kids sitting behind their desks attacking a decorated General who is on the ground in Iraq – leading our soldiers.
But no doubt most of you won't understand and will go back to your "swiftboat" mantra. And assuming your version (swift boat ad = wrong) some how liberal "swiftboating" is ok when a 4-Star general is attacked but cry and cry when it was done to Kerry?
Moveon.org is asking the questions that the American Press should be asking. If there are facts or sources of information that conflict with what Gen. Petraeus says, someone (WH or Gen. P) should be addressing that.
Bush (& Cheney for that matter) have no credibility with the American public (for good reason) so they put Gen. Petraeus before Congress because the US military doesn't have the same integrity issues that the White House has (We know why and they know why that is the case).
But it puts our military leaders in a position where they have to justify a war that they did not create and show indirect support of Bush's failed/failing policies. Why is a military commander and not the Commander in Chief asked to justify/support failed policies for this war?
It's unfortunate that Petraeus is inconsistent (at best) with his facts and I personally would like to see him either retract his statements or justify/clarify them given the facts contrary to them (see Moveon.org among other sources).
Cheney is not fooling anyone. He wants the Dems to be associated with Moveon.org and his tactic of giving a speech to a group of 'supporters' (lackeys) to address important issues shows his cowardice (the same cowardice he demonstrated during the Vietnam conflict). He would never engage in honest debate with these issues because he knows it's not a winnable argument and not a winnable war given the same failing policies and the same failed arguments for it (if I hear one more time about how much "progress" is being made in Iraq despite the obvious facts, I'm going to scream–Just because you repeat it doesn't make it true).
This is all a distraction anyway. The real issues concerning the war are deflected once again with a focus on an administration that misleads and deflects from the truth.
Go MoveOn Go...Dick Cheney and the Swiftboaters for truth are liars...
"I'm not sure what is worse – belonging to a party where the President is called liar, traitor, bumbling, etc … or being angry and impudent about it as are liberals?
Posted By Henry Tucker, Ga : September 17, 2007 4:40 pm"
It's the former. Surprisingly, many conservatives and other people with memories and working frontal lobes feel the same anger as those liberals about the mess this, "bumbling, liar", and his henchman, Dick, "the Penguin", have wrought.
Two posts here sadly reaffirm that the only way these days to be pro-Bush/Cheney is to be woefully misinformed, like the astonishing 30% of Americans who STILL are swallowing the Bush/Cheney mantra linking Saddam to 9-11. For example..."the U.S. has not taken a single drop of Iraqi oil"....guess you somehow missed that one of the U.S. "benchmarks" to Irag is that they pass the U.S. oil firm-designed "Hydrocarbon Act" that in effect gives U.S. and British oil firms control of that country's oil for THIRTY YEARS! Sad to see another poster here STILL parroting Bush's long disproved claim that his attack just gave teeth to U.N. resolutions that Saddam was "ignoring". Hmmm, guess you missed the facts that Iraq was SWARMING with U.N. weapons inspectors whose head said that Saddam WAS in compliance,that those inspectors were DRIVEN OUT by Bush's attack order, and that Khofi Annan said that it was the U.S. INVASION that violated the U.N. charter. Sad that some of the loudest "patriots" choose to remain so misinformed, or worse, to parrot the lies of Bush and Cheney.
OK James, lets forget swiftboat veterans against truth- how about career soldier General Eric Shineski- when he testified to Congress before the invasion that an occupation of Iraq would require a minimum of 400,000 troops? Rumsfeld publicly mocked him for that. Was Cheney outraged by that? Did people demand that Republicans apologize for that? Seems to me that when it comes to defending the reputation of military leaders the GOP has very flexible standards, depending on whether or not the general's views can be used to support their policy. After all MoveOn is just a group of private citizens but Rumsfeld was somebody chosen by Bush & Cheney and confirmed by the Republican Senate. They should be apologizing themselves for his remarks about Shineski before they start casting stones at anyone else.
It's a shame and an embarrassment to this country the complete lack of respect shown by liberals and democrats to our elected leaders and honerable military generals who bravely defend our country from terrorism.
Spreading democracy and toppling evil dictators is what has made this country great since our founding. Our 4 fathers are truly rolling over in their graves at this lack of unity and anti-United States liberal attitude. Someone should remind these idiots that it is the United States and what we stand for that his given them their freedoms to share their hateful comments of their own country. Sad indeed!
i am so sick of this babble about how we toppled a dictator. like we stepped in for the people of iraq. J thats not how business works and this was all business. there are maaaaaaaany other dictators that are actually a threat to the united states and we take out the one we already beatdown in a months time already. i respect the honor of the military, but the military does not run the military. the military is run by politicians. and when those politicians are corrupt the military are used as their weapon...
You know, you people could have left Cheney as another greedy CEO of a corporation BUT NO! you had to select and elect him as vice-president! Why oh why is the American voter so ignorant!
Cheney is the most evil man on the planet!He has done more to hurt America and Americans than every terrorist,including Bin Laden,COMBINED!This man should either be hung or dropped out of a C-140 transport plane over the Pakistani mountains!His poisionous venom has infected our whitehouse and Congress long enough!The stench of this vile man will take DECADES to remove!Immediate action should be taken to forcibly remove him from office YESTERDAY!Bush is just the stupid puppet.Cheney is the puppeteer!He is the most evil man that has ever been in our government BAR NONE!It's a shame that his hunting partner didn't return fire!
Calling people into question for doubting the opinion of a governmental figure, Cheney?
"LAST THROES," anyone?
Today, Alan Greenspan, lifelong Republican and advisor to several Presidents, noted for his fiscal and political conservatism, said bluntly what any informed, conscious, conscientious, and informed American has LONG known....the U.S. invasion of Iraq was about ONE thing only....oil. Now let's watch and see if the Neocons "Swift Boat" HIM and portray him as an "America-hating, MoveOn.org style liberal left wing wacko!"
The "outrage" is Cheney and Bush. Nice try Cheney, but you will NEVER stop freedom of speech in this country, or turn it to benefit you and your cronies. The american people are wise to you and Bush. Just seems to me that if your lips are moving...you are lying!
I personally think Dick Cheney is one of the most honorable man I have ever encountered. The attacks by the defeatocrats are ridiculous. The modern Dems have no ideas, solutions, or thoughts of their own and only chant want is told them by Rosey, Move On, or the Daily Kooks. Can any of you have a real idea or thought?
I have to respond to "Spreading democracy and toppling evil dictators is what has made this country great since our founding."
I don't know when you last took an American history course, but your statement is unfortunately quite false. Our history is one of Empire. In the 20th century alone, we toppled many legitimate governments in Latin America and supported puppet governments that implemented our interests. During the Cold War, we helped destroy many governments in favor of dictators who pledged to resist communism. We even supported Saddam Hussein at one point because he was fighting against Iran. And what about Pakistan and Saudi Arabia? They are our allies, aided by our weapons and tax dollars, and yet the former is a dictatorship and the latter is nothing like a democracy.
While we should all love our country and seek unity, let us not have any illusions about our own history.
Cheney is clueless about serving your country, since he didn't.
When the Swift Boats ads came out against John Kerry and denagrated his military service, Cheney never complained. That whole group allowed Max Cleland's service to be denagrated as well. HYPOCRACY, CHENEY. Give me a break!
I was NEVER for this war. I didn't like the way it was presented, the inability to follow the guidelines given to Saddam; he did give a written report about what he had, no weapons were ever found, and there was NEVER a connection to 911. I saw Cheney lie on Meet the Press, stating he had information the 911 commission didn't have, and yet never let anyone know what it was. This man is a class A liar who benefited more from this war than any one given person. Haliburton's no bid contracts made Cheney quite a fortune. Cheney, I don't believe a thing you say. I do support the troops, afterall they didn't have a choice as far as what they have been asked to do. So, don't spin that age old statement on me. I thought the move on add was over the top, but I did feel that Petraeus would say exactly what you all wanted him to.
"Spreading democracy and toppling evil dictators is what has made this country great since our founding."
Really? What evil dictators did the founding fathers seek to topple, and what other countries did they spread democracy to?
Didn't George Washington say something about avoiding foreign entanglements?
What's "an outrage" is a turkey who "ran from Vietnam and military duty"; yet has the gall to LIE to his country in order to start a war that has cost almost a trillion dollars and ended hundreds of thousands of lives. Now that's "an outrage"! Why does Cheney/Bush send his daughters and the two drunk twins to Iraq? Neither Cheney, Bush, nor Condi has ever seen war (except on TV and video games); yet they are so eager to declare war and continue this needless killing. Sick, very sick (and outrageous).