September 17, 2007
Posted: 05:09 PM ET

DES MOINES, Iowa (CNN) — At a press briefing after Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's health care rollout Monday, senior policy advisers said the New York senator's plan does not currently include any details on whether illegal immigrants will be covered.

Senior policy adviser Laurie Rubiner–while acknowledging that undocumented immigrants are a "huge issue" in this country–said, "That's one we're going to have to think through a little bit."

"We have not dealt with every single detail with this plan," Rubiner continued.

When asked if it would be safe to assume that the Democratic frontrunner, at this point, has no position on coverage for illegal immigrants advisers answered "yes" and said the plan does not "at this point" deal with that issue.

Related: Clinton unveils mandatory health care insurance plan

-CNN Iowa Producer Chris Welch

Filed under: Healthcare • Hillary Clinton • Iowa


Jeff Spangler, Arlington, VA   September 17th, 2007 7:04 pm ET

Illegal immigrant coverage is a legit question if Hill's plan had any hope of success. I don't mind this brand of socialism, but I would exclude illegals. Moot issue, however, 'cause universal health care ain't gonna happen.

therealist   September 17th, 2007 7:04 pm ET

The answer is the same as to all her other glorious programs and can be summed up in one word.

Taxes

looneytune   September 17th, 2007 7:06 pm ET

Like Obama, Hillary looks better when she keeps her mouth shut.

Henry Tucker, Ga   September 17th, 2007 7:26 pm ET

12+ million illegal immigrants but Hillary, the supposed democrat, doesn't have an answer??

Sounds like she has the same idea on Iraq, homeland security, the economy, etc…. she hasn't thought about it.

About the only thing she HAS thought about is getting campaign contributions and buying endorsements.

Go Hillary - Republicans can hardly wait!

Danny G. Boca Raton, FL   September 17th, 2007 7:47 pm ET

I believe they could have answered the question better, the fact is that first things first, I'm still reviewing her porposal, I believe it is well thought out and it does provide a viable solution with fiscal responsibility. I believe that Illegal immigrants should have access to compassionate care, however not the kind of care that requires hospital access without proper pay. we cannot be that harsh to human beings… so I agree with the notion that first we have to deal with this very important program and if successful we can tackle the next… I believe her strategy is solid, however it was not expressed in the best way possible as to aviod the critics that only look for opportunities to attack. I would urge everyone to go to her web-site and download the summary of her plan… she is a very intelligent person and it is worth reading.

Hot Air » Blog Archive » Hillary’s camp on whether her health care plan will cover illegals: We’ll get back to you   September 17th, 2007 8:13 pm ET

[...] or not" or whether we'll have to wait a bit yet for that Orwellian maneuver. Answer: Not yet. But soon, soon. Senior [Clinton] policy adviser Laurie Rubiner–-while acknowledging that [...]

C. Mass, Washington D.C.   September 17th, 2007 8:18 pm ET

Illegals can receive compassionate care…BACK IN THEIR HOME COUNTRY

I'm not paying one cent of my taxes to provide routine care for someone who is here illegally and isn't even a taxpayer. And besides, if an illegal goes to the emergency room and requires urgent care they can not be turned away (that is compassionate isn't it).

Every one who wants to include illegals in a government run health care plan can fund it with their tax dollars…not me

pa Eugene OR   September 17th, 2007 8:55 pm ET

That is a pretty big hole in her plan to have not given illegal immigrants any thought.
I did read her entire plan and found it to be very simular to those that were laid out long ago. I do not belive HRC can come up with anything original. She just waited to see how the others played out then echoed it.
Anyone but Billary 08

Nate, Minneapolis, MN   September 17th, 2007 8:56 pm ET

At least CNN had the courage to hid this detail on the Ticker…if it was a Republican, it would have been home page news.

MF Stafford, Va.   September 17th, 2007 9:09 pm ET

Hillary can't wait to give the USA a deep prostate exam with this piece of poop program she dreamed up. Please God, do something!! Make it go away.

Glenn   September 17th, 2007 9:12 pm ET

No answer for 12M+ people in this country??? What kind of leader is that?

mike selman, lakeside, ca   September 17th, 2007 9:16 pm ET

Her answer is very obvious!

With her as President, there won't be any illegal immigrants! She will make them all legal and therefore entitled to and compete with all of the Americans who have worked all of there lives supporting this country.

Gerg, San Jose CA.   September 17th, 2007 9:17 pm ET

110 Billion for the plan and they have not even thought about the illegals that are already draining our resources. I am sure they would be added in later so that when they vote illegally they vote for Hillary

Trevor Ham, Raleigh, NC   September 17th, 2007 9:20 pm ET

It is ridiculous to even consider providing ILLEGAL aliens with US citizen taxpayer-funded health care, or any social other citizen-funded social services. Where are peoples brains these days? If people who want to provied ILLEGALS with social service also want to pay for them out of their own pockets rather than mine, have at it!

Brenda S, Plant City, FL   September 17th, 2007 9:22 pm ET

If illegals can afford to send billions of dollars a year back to their home countries……Why in the heck can't they pay for their own healthcare/doctor bills? Instead of robbing Peter (US Tax payers) to pay Paul (i.e. Mexico) why do we have to offer any kind of "Free" care? So they can how MORE BABIES?

David, St. Louis, MO   September 17th, 2007 9:26 pm ET

My wife and I both have paid into Medicare for over 30 years. Now we are paying higher and higher premiums every year and it looks like Medicare will be broke in 11 years unless the Democrats can find more suckers to pay higher taxes for it. I don't want another pie in the sky socialist program like it. Let EVERYONE pay for their own private health insurance. We've been robbed enough by the Democrats.

BB, Louisville KY   September 17th, 2007 9:29 pm ET

I haven't read the plan, but I'd like to comment on providing healthcare to non-citizens. I have a compassionate side that says all people should have access to medical care, and I have a side that is more fiscally sense - they must pay for the healthcare.

Let's get down to the real issue - why don't we just make all the illegals legal, and end the argument for once and all. Then they need to pay like everyone else. There goes your blackmarket for labor and here comes another 4-12 million folks into the tax base.

Cheyenne Hanes, Charlotte, NC   September 17th, 2007 9:30 pm ET

Same old, same old. Hillary avoids the tough decisions. Just like her husband. The knockout punch comes only after election. Remember Bill's tax cut for the middle class that became a tax increase after election?

Erik, Irvine CA   September 17th, 2007 9:31 pm ET

I'm getting a little sick of Hillary's press secretaries speaking for her all the time. She's the only leading candidate I know of who gives speeches but rarely offers a spontaneous remark on pretty much anything (except Petraeus' credibility).

Grits, Huntsville AL   September 17th, 2007 9:34 pm ET

Hillary cannot answer questions without instructions from her puppeteers. I wish people would not be so cruel to the silly air-head bimbo.

A. Rosario   September 17th, 2007 9:40 pm ET

How can you claim your proposal is well thought-out when you haven't factored in the 18-20 million (no it's not 12) Illegals that are living amongst us, making hundreds of thousands of anchor babies yearly…

Philip, Iowa City Iowa   September 17th, 2007 10:00 pm ET

Just another thing the government is forcing people to do. Mandatory health coverage? Why should it be mandatory? Democrats telling people what to do do because they know better. Incentives is one thing–but whenever the governnment mandates something it's just more intrusion and bigger government.

I guess if it was mandatory and exclusive to legal citizens and legal aliens, we could get a big list of everybody who doesn't have one (illegals) and ship them out. Of course, enforcing the law on criminals wouldn't be compassionate enough for Hillary.

John Los Angeles, CA   September 17th, 2007 10:02 pm ET

Illegals shoud be getting healthcare coverage why?? They are already overburdening the welfare system and all social services. When is America gonna wake up and realize we are being overrun by racist lobbying organizations, selling out the American people, and trivializing all those that have gone about the process of immigration legally? ANSWER THAT HILLARY!

Joe, New Orleans, LA   September 17th, 2007 10:16 pm ET

Question: What is an "undocumented immigrant" anyway?

Ooooh… that's CCN speak for an illegal alien. I get it.

bprossersme   September 17th, 2007 10:19 pm ET

Of course they will be covered, and guess who pays their insurance premiums - YOU!!!!!

flo jones, san diego, ca   September 17th, 2007 10:50 pm ET

We will ALL need health care to recover from another 9-11 if hillary and her 'soft on national security' policy is ever brought back to the White House.
Mr. Clinton and his wife who claims her 8 yrs in the White House qualifies her to be president. They did nothing after the Kobar Towers attack, they did nothing after the lst WTC attack, they did nothing after the attacks on the US embassies and they did nothing after the bombing of the USS Cole. They emboldened the terrorists which led to 9-11. And now they want 8 more years?

Paul   September 17th, 2007 10:55 pm ET

Liberals believe that being an illegal immigrant in this country is a human right and denying anyone healthcare is a violation of those rights. You darn well know that you will be paying for the healthcare of millions of illegals with millions more on the way.

libertarian   September 17th, 2007 10:57 pm ET

of course she didn't say if illegals were included, it let's her be ambiguous enough to get the hispanic vote, then later go the other way on the issue when public opinion show americans don't want to pay for illegals medical expenses.

and they shouldn't be included, they aren't citizens, we shouldn't have to take care of them, let their own country do that.

Ruth D. Schenectady, NY   September 17th, 2007 11:05 pm ET

Sounds like Danny G from Boca Raton is a shill for the Dems.
Hilary doesnt mention the Illegals because she would give them all citizenship, then insure them.
I for one do not want the Government handling my Health Care. It will not be free and it will not be good.

Greg San Diego Ca   September 17th, 2007 11:08 pm ET

Now the Democratic party will have to add the undocumented immigrants to the plan so they can get that vote.

Now the plan will go from 110 billion to around 160 Billion and will cost tax payers around $500 additional each month.

That 40% we pay now will increase to 60-65% of your pay check to pay for the health care that we get now at no extra.

Any undocumented immigrants or anyoine without health care now can go to any Emergency Room and get FREE HEALTH CARE.

The only difference is that now I know my doctors name and the PERSON WHO DOES NOT KNOW HIS Doctors name in the Emergency Room. So for the tax payer will now pay so the person with no health care will know his doctors name.

That will cost tax payers $500 a month extra in taxes so they will know their doctors names.

Thats the only change hillary care will provide along with tax pays now paying 60% of our pay checks.

joke

drm, gilbert, az   September 17th, 2007 11:09 pm ET

There is no choice in Hillary's "Choice" healthcare plan. Hillary has voted no in the Senate to the following: 1) tax deductability of health insurance for self employeed, 2) allowing pilot Health Savings Account programs, 3) allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines, 4) insurance litigation reform… She has repeatedly voted no for a variety of health care reforms and now she comes up with her own plan??

JonKen, Long Beach CA   September 17th, 2007 11:10 pm ET

Let's see…recent articles identified 37 million "poor people" and she proposes to cover 47 million that do not have health insurance, right? Do those 47mil have access to MedicAid/Medical? Then they DO have insurance or not? And who are those extra 10mil people and are they now saying that NO ILLEGALS are included in the 47mil????

Traveler   September 17th, 2007 11:18 pm ET

Well, guess what? We aren't covered in other countries, either. What do you suppose happens when an American needs health care in a foreign country? We get sent home.
A U.K. citizen has coverage in other European countries, but not Americans…we must provide our own medical coverage if we travel, much less illegally reside elsewhere.

Chris, Los Angeles   September 17th, 2007 11:20 pm ET

I'm a Democrat and I like the fact that Hillary once again has tackled health care. However, I do not believe her plan should include coverage for illegal immigrants, and will withdraw my support for it if it does. We should take care of our own people and do nothing to encourage even more illegal migrants to come this way.

Kris, Glendora, CA   September 17th, 2007 11:21 pm ET

Her non-answer is entirely clear. She plans to cover everyone but, as always, she has to play to different crowds so she can't say anything definitive. If her audience is liberal, then it will cover illegals; if it is conservative then it will not.

A. Traveler Los Angeles CA   September 17th, 2007 11:25 pm ET

Well, guess what happens to Americans who travel or live illegally elsewhere? Do we get free healthcare?
If that's true, then I'll leave.
Can't afford medical insurance here….

John Luma, Moorpark, CA   September 17th, 2007 11:26 pm ET

The fact that Hillary or her handlers cannot give a straightforward answer to this question, ie, that she does not represent foreigners and only represents citizens, and that "of course there will be no medical coverage of illegals," is all the answer we need to hear about her typical politician's dance on this issue.

If foreigners are included in this plan, it is one more example that America has lost its way. It begs one of the key questions of representative government today: Whatever happened sworn duty to putting the rights of citizens ahead of the demands of non-citizens?

Politicians who operate from fear, not courage, deserve to lose. They betray the best interests of the people.

John Luma

CMS, CA   September 17th, 2007 11:33 pm ET

"Havent thought through all the details?" If the collapse of California's ER system isnt a bell weather for covering illegal immigrants, I dont know what is. Socialized medicine is a long term trap that we can not afford. The Europeans are dealing with a double edged sword with their socialized medicine and now have to bring in more and more immigrants typically from Muslim nations. This has resulted in the French Muslim riots and public attacks and demands for Sharia law in Britain. Think twice about socialized medicine…why do you want to be responsible for someone else's lack of responsibility for their health? Over 25% of Americans are obese!

Andy Crusen Illinois   September 17th, 2007 11:46 pm ET

Her people will figure something out. She wil run on universal heathcare because offering something free to the masses is an excellent campaign strategy. It won't happen, but she may get to be President for trying; which is all any politician wants anyway.

Philip, San Diego, CA   September 17th, 2007 11:53 pm ET

Illegals already have free health care. Drop by any emergency room in your local general hospital and you will likely see a lobby full of Mexicans. It almost cost my 18 month old son his life when on Oct 6, 2005 he was diagnosed as being in extreme DKU or Diabetic Keto-Acidosis, when I thought he was having an asthma attack. His pediatrician called Children's Hospital in San Diego only to find the emergency room was full. Full of Mexicans I was to find out when I drove him myself to the hospital. Fortunately my son survived, but I felt upset that the resources available for my son were almost denied due to the immigration situation we have here. Hopefully Sen Clinton's plan will address this issue.

DJH, Buda, TX   September 17th, 2007 11:55 pm ET

There are absolutely no circumstances under which the American taxpayer should be forced to CONTINUE to pay for healthcare for illegal immigrants. Every single legitimate study done has shown that the costs of illegal immigrants to the taxpayer are far outweigh the 'benefits', but if she thinks it'll get her elected you'd better believe she'll give it to them.

I don't disagree that Clinton is intelligent, but I think calculating would be a far more descriptive term. As far as her healthcare plan… well, $110B doesn't just come from the couch cushions. This sounds eerily similar to her first attempt at socialized medicine. All sorts of benefits and no way to pay for it.
Something needs to be done about the state of healthcare in this country for sure, especially for children, but socialized medicine isn't the utopia that it's advocates would have you believe. Michael Moores NOT SO revealing look tells a very lop-sided story with a whole lot of meat missing.

Secure Our Borders, LA, OK   September 17th, 2007 11:59 pm ET

There is NO plan to cover illegal aliens. That is because under a President Hillary and Democratic Controlled Congress there will be NO more illegal aliens.

Her solution is called AMNESTY.

Tallulah, Austin TX   September 18th, 2007 12:04 am ET

"We have not dealt with every single issue of this plan" - that disclaimer should be added to every word that comes from her mouth throughout the campaign season… she is such a bag of hot air.

Please, please, please use your thinker before voting… and please vote for a person and not a political party. The parties suck wind and spew it back as crap. They are what is ruining this country.

Brian, Belcamp MD   September 18th, 2007 12:10 am ET

IS THIS WOMAN FOR REAL? WHAT A JOKE. WHAT'S NEXT, MANDATORY PET COVERAGE?
MANDATORY HAIR STYLIST? OH RIGHT, THAT WOULD BE JOHN EDWARD'S TERRITORY. CLINTON, LIKE ALL LIBERALS, WANTS THE GOVERMENT TO CONTROLL ALL ASPECTS OF OUR LIVES. SHE IS ABSOLUTERY OUT OF HER MIND.

pk Des Moines Iowa   September 18th, 2007 12:11 am ET

If she becomes president, she will attempt to legalize every single illegal immigrant. In a time of fiscal crisis this is just what we need, 12 million more people on the public dole.

MD Patrck Las Vegas, Nevada   September 18th, 2007 12:27 am ET

With this Health care plan, we the Tax payers want the details, Im not willing to pay for anything to do with Illegal Immigrants, nothing! Coprende!

JWilly, Burton, MI   September 18th, 2007 12:47 am ET

I'm amazed that Republicans don't see how their own version of national health care would be a pro-American-corporations policy. I'm mildly surprised that Hillary's team isn't promoting her plan as a way to save American jobs.

Gary , Dallas Texas   September 18th, 2007 12:57 am ET

Let me get this straight. Mrs Bill Clinton makes 100 plus billion dollar A YEAR proposal and hasn't "dealt with every single detail with this plan"?

This woman's stupider than I thought!

I'm not sure why the left is so obsessed with destroying the best health care system in the world, but there it is. This plan will end up costing ten times as much as stated, and will raise taxes to an unbearable level. Then you'll see rationing of services like in every other country that has socialized medicine.

There's a reason why folks who live in Canada, England, France, and other counties travel to America for serious health concerns.

Rick, Kansas City, MO   September 18th, 2007 1:35 am ET

Why on Earth would we legitimize someone's illegal presence with benefits such as healthcare? The only benefit an ILLLEGAL alien should have is a free trip home. Lawbreakers do not deserve the same rights as those who do obey the law.

H. Schwab, Cincinnati, Ohio   September 18th, 2007 1:38 am ET

What about Billery's favorite constituents, the lawyers? When will these scumbags be removed from the health care dole????

Josh from CA   September 18th, 2007 1:41 am ET

She won't share her real agenda until it is carefully calculated by her and all of her partner's in crime. If she voiced her true views on the matter, we might notice that she is an anti-US Citizen, Pro-Socialist, threat to our country, value's, and way of life. She wants to sell our birthright for votes!

Ken Orlando Fl   September 18th, 2007 1:42 am ET

Her "hiliarycare" plan is a disaster waiting to happen anyway. Why do the people of Cananda come here for their urgent care needs anyway? Nobody asks that question. Why are we even asking the question? They are criminals in this country. They deserve a quick deportation and a tall fence.

Patrick, Bartlesville Oklahoma   September 18th, 2007 1:43 am ET

Why should my taxes go to pay for someones healthcare who isn't legally allowed to be in this country?

Joe Dawson, Oakland CA   September 18th, 2007 2:08 am ET

If illegals want health care there is a very simple solution: THEY CAN PAY FOR IT. The rest of us do.

God help us if health care becomes more regulated and socialized than it already is.

sonya, atlanta, ga   September 18th, 2007 2:25 am ET

She had years to answer this question and several months since the rest of canidates made their proposals. And you know that with the immigration issues so hot, it is going to be used to derail her plan. All smoke and no substance.

ryan, los angeles ca   September 18th, 2007 2:33 am ET

The answer's quite simple, but not pleasant. Pandemics are a real threat to all Americans. Flu viruses are mutating and fast becoming immune to our innoculations. Diseases that we've eradicated are coming back. Viruses are an extremely realistic threat to every American, not just the poor.

Whether we like it or not, diseases dont discriminate against poor, rich, legal or illegal. The dishwasher at your local restaurant could kick off a small epidemic in your town. The possibilities are as wide as our imaginations.

Thus every individual needs access to innoculation and medical care to combat the spread of flu viruses or worse. It's in all of our interests to be sure illegal immigrants can receive such care, especially if they are travelling to and from regions where disease is more common.

Malaria is rampant on every continent, and coming back in the US. We dont have the immunity or the medical solutions to stop that.

Any disease professional will tell you that hygeine and innoculation/care are the key to keeping us all safe.

Whether we like it or not, illegals will always be here, and illegal immigrants are more likely to bring disease with them that threaten all of us if we dont allow care for them

Angela, Portland, OR   September 18th, 2007 2:41 am ET

I wonder how long it will take Hillary to think it through and make a decision? Illegal immigrants should not be given this benefit. I think it would be important for us taxpayers to know the answer to this before the election. We should not be giving this benefit to illegal immigrants.

Alan Whitenton   September 18th, 2007 3:47 am ET

Does any democrat have an answer for anything?????

Soopydave   September 18th, 2007 4:44 am ET

Yay for Communism! I can hardly wait!

Beau   September 18th, 2007 5:16 am ET

Affordable health care plan for illegal immigrants: A Band-Aid, two Tylenol and a one way Greyhound/plane ticket back to their country of origin. Ideally the program would be staffed by volunteers from humanitarian groups who are already providing similar services to illegals at major crossing points along our Mexican border. The greatest expense would be to provide tax benefits and discounted health care costs these volunteers for their efforts.

Richard Brown Cazenoovia, NY   September 18th, 2007 6:18 am ET

Did anyone see ANY provisions for tort reform for malpractice and drug manufzcturer law suits that drive medical and drug cost up by BILLIONS?

Modesto, CA   September 18th, 2007 7:02 am ET

I would not believe that our potential next president would support " Illegal Imigrants" would she?

Larry, Hamilton Texas   September 18th, 2007 7:13 am ET

Anyone that has a plan that has not either included or excluded 12 million people does not have a plan.

Joe, Florida   September 18th, 2007 7:48 am ET

People be realistic, look how hard it is already to talk about the program. Trying to include illegal immigrants will be harder to do. It must be done one step at a time. She's being realistic, you should all be. We live in no perfect world and we sure as hell can't fix it all at once.

By the way, all those who says this is socialism or communism, please, do like Ms. Clinton told one guy who said asked the same: "Drop the rhetoric, get educated".

Socialized medicine is a medicine entirely run by government. This is far from being that. Doctors won't lose their private practice. Insurance companies won't go out of business, pharmaceuticals won't run out of business. Except Insurance companies, which will have to compete for customers, Doctors and Pharmaceuticals will actually benefit (most customers).

This plans gives you choice. If you have health insurance right now and you are happy with it, then fine, keep it. If you are not, then you have another option. Do not forget one of basic concepts behind a capitalist society, competition; this plan creates competition, which leads to lower costs for us. My god, we will even be able to get tax credits for this. For any one there who doesn't know the tax system well, tax credits are better than deductions. Currently, you can deduct medical expenses. If we were allowed to that amount as a tax credit, our taxable income drops dramatically, and our tax liability drops even more. Again, please read, investigate, do research, don't follow emotional opinions.

Please don't be fooled by "socialist plan" idea, it's ridiculous and baseless. Also, don't think the Bush tax cuts are that good. The tax cuts only helped big businesses. It didn't help individuals, we are still paying the same tax yearly; and it didn't help small business because they don't have the resources to pay for tax planning. Big businesses can pay as much 40 million yearly alone for tax planning, do small business have this money, I DON'T THINK SO. And people ask themselves, why is the middle class shrinking.

Mitch Pawl, Chicago IL   September 18th, 2007 7:54 am ET

Under all of the Presidental contenders that want to push Univeral Health Care, there will have to be an increase in TAXES.

So I guess in the Clinton plan there are really not 47 Million people without health care. That number is cut in half because there are 20+Million Illegal Alliens in this country.

Let me ask a question, where in the US Constitution does it state that our founding fathers want to give as an entitlement of healthcare for everyone???

As a struggling business owner with 2 kids, we have healthcare. There are plans out there for everyone to afford "IF YOU LOOK".

Stop the crying and get your own health care.

I don't want to pay for deadbeats that don't want to go out and get/find a job so the good people of the country will have to pay for them.

Ben, Seattle, WA   September 18th, 2007 7:58 am ET

Universal health care will not work in America because the working individual already has health care and they do NOT wish to foot the bill for those who are freeloading. Besides, we already have one form of universal health care created by Democraps that has failed miseribly - Medicare.

BCNU purple state, usa   September 18th, 2007 8:07 am ET

No illegals. If it's life threatening, patch 'em send the bill with them to take back to the Mexican gov't when they are deported.

We've underwritten law breakers long enough in this country.

Mitchell, Austin Texas   September 18th, 2007 8:14 am ET

No plan for illegal immigrants? That's the only positive thing I've seen about HillaryCare.

Why is it that many of the same people who love to revile the inept, maladroit government for failing to respond competently to the Katrina disaster are so willing to put the the same bumbling bureaucracy in charge of our pap smears and rectal exams?

If you think you hate your HMO now, wait until you have to stand in line at the post office to see your primary care physician.

Henry L. Smith   September 18th, 2007 8:17 am ET

Socialized Govt. Healthcare, Hillary Care or "Any Care". It isn't for the "Elite", only for the rest of us. Ask her if the Congress will give up their "Healthcare Plan" and get in line with the rest of us, I think not! How "Politburo" of them.
I wish no ill on them, but how much better would we all be if on 9/11 the only target was a joint session of Congress? 535 vs. almost 3000, I'll take that trade! How many others feel the same way?

TexasRainmaker.com   September 18th, 2007 8:25 am ET

Isn't it funny that the same party blaming Bush for "sticking our children and grandchildren with a huge debt" continuously support things like a $100+ billion plan that hasn't even been thought through yet…

John Smith, Buffalo NY   September 18th, 2007 8:29 am ET

Why am I responsible for someone's health care. If this is going to be the case then I would like to be able to approve/disapprove their care.

AJ; Montpelier, VT   September 18th, 2007 8:33 am ET

I am a hard core Democrat that does not believe that we owe anything to illegal immigrants. My solution to this problem? Patch them up and give them an IMMEDIATE ride to the border.

J. Williams Omaha, NE   September 18th, 2007 8:42 am ET

Did you see Hillary simultaneously on all the sympathetic news programs today? Boy, did she look rough - woof. HDTV is not kind to 1960s liberals. Given that some people pick elected officials like voters on American Idol, Hillary does not have a chance unless she promises everyone a $100,000 a year government salary with no work required.

Scott, Washington, DC   September 18th, 2007 8:48 am ET

Having lived in both Canada (New Brunswick) and Australia (Western Australia) during my life, I can say without hesitation that I want nothing to do with Hillary's plan. We heard all about the promises of nationalized healthcare - it would be more efficient, cheaper, cover everyone, etc. and it would only cost X number of dollars per year. What we received was inefficiency, high cost, higher taxes, the closing of hospitals, rationing of care, and the exodus of doctors, especially up in Canada. As care was rationed poorer people had to make co-payments in order to visit a doctor or hospital, and many went without seeing doctors because of the cost.

Now that I am living and working in the US again I can see a doctor within days, not weeks or months. Our system isn't perfect (is any?) but as someone who had to live in a nationalized system, the only outcome is that you have less money in your pocket for worse service.

Remember that we were promised back in the 60's that with Medicaid we would be able to cover the medical needs of the poor and elderly and what we have now is a bloated program that shows no signs of efficiency.

My own personal opinion has been that nationalized healthcare imperils the health of the nations that have implemented it. And make no mistake about it, Hillary's plan effectively nationalizes healthcare because it forces coverage on people, does not allow for coverage to be based on your actual risk (unlike car insurance, etc.), and will force coverage of those who are here illegally (do you really think that in the end illegal immigrants will not be covered) to be spread among taxpayers.

Lastly, the plan makes no mention of protecting doctors in any way from malpractice or frivolous lawsuits, or the insurance companies who would be forced to comply with the new federal mandates, with any types of protection on limits for litigation.

Hank, Lexington, Kentucky   September 18th, 2007 8:50 am ET

Translated from doubletalk into plain English what this means is that Hilary's plan WILL cover aliens. Get out your check books you tax paying
suckers.

Wes, Wichita, Kansas   September 18th, 2007 8:58 am ET

The Hildabeast knows she plans to cover illegals. The devil is in the details of this plan as well as the overall concept. All she is unsure of at this point is how to hide that from the American voting public until it's too late. That's why she claims it has not been addressed yet. This tactic is typical when trying to deceive. She smart enough to know, as someone said earlier, that she "looks better when she keeps her mouth closed" and doesn't reveal much of what is already planned.

Austin, TX   September 18th, 2007 9:01 am ET

No plan for illegals? That puts them in a better position than me, on whom Hillary wants to force insurance coverage. I have a home in Brazil and spend some 6 months per year overseas and many Americans have retired to places like France, Italy, Costa Rica and Guadalajara. What is Hillary's plan to make medical services and prescription drugs available to all of us expatriates?

Mike Hardel Tucson, AZ   September 18th, 2007 9:05 am ET

The curious thing is: although Hillary doesn't know if illegals are covered or not, she has stated the price tag is $110 billion. Only $110 billion. How can she know the final cost without knowing who's covered?

Mitchell, Austin Texas   September 18th, 2007 9:05 am ET

No plan for illegal immigrants? That's the only positive thing I've heard about HillaryCare.

Why is it that so many of the same people who love to revile the inept, maladroit government for failing to respond competently to the Katrina disaster are so willing to put the the same bumbling bureaucracy in charge of our pap smears and rectal exams?

If you think you hate your HMO now, wait until you have to stand in line at the post office to see your primary care physician.

Kevin Kansas city Kansas   September 18th, 2007 9:13 am ET

Just ask Canada. Or better yet try an army hospital. Government needs to stay out of the heath care business

Ra Shields   September 18th, 2007 9:17 am ET

Finally! This will be the demise of the shrew. There are too many working people who will make sure they dont have to pay for someone elses health care. We cant even afford our own policy let alone others.. especially illegals, and by the way the talley is up to 39 million illegals. If we are going into socialism, then I should quit my middle class job and let Billary support me in a manner in which I have become accustomed. After all, the illegals that drag 5 kids into the welfare office on a daily basis all seem to have some pretty expensive cars parked outside. Yesterday I looked out my office window and watched 2 Escalades( tricked out ) and 1 Beemer and and hand full of SUV's drive up to get their free money.

Bill W, Coatesville PA   September 18th, 2007 9:18 am ET

The number is probably much closer to 20+ million "undocumented workers", and could approach 30+ in the next decade - but nobody has a real statistic. Suffice it to say there are tens of millions.

Hillary's plan will be determined after she consults the polls to see what she can say that might draw more votes her way.

Hillary would also do nothing to stop illegal immigration or secure the border if elected. She's in the pocket of the big businesses who want that cheap labor.

Phillip, Lebanon, TN   September 18th, 2007 9:27 am ET

Hillary is purposely low-balling the cost of this program. She is pro-illegals. Then the cost just went up and the working man's paycheck just went down…again.

Hillary, Obama, & Rudi are all pathetic.

Veritas, New York, New York   September 18th, 2007 9:30 am ET

Quit drinking that Hillary Kool Ade Danny G. Hillary's 'healthcare plan' will bankrupt this country.

The ONLY care illegals should get is bona fide emergency medical care, and NOTHING else!

Fiscal Conservative   September 18th, 2007 9:42 am ET

Although many of the anti-Hillary crowd say she is a promise of new taxes; are your costs lower under Bush? The majority of your taxes have simply been restructured. Cut at federal and raised at state and local. The vast majority of us actually pay more for taxes. Once the bill comes due for Bush's mismanagement and war who will you blame then?

BILL JOHNSON   September 18th, 2007 9:45 am ET

Obviously, as it was with the first health care plan that she proposed under her husbands' administration, she wants to force the citizens of the US to pay for all persons legal or illegal. Universal healthcare plans that include those who are not citizens and or are not here legally would not be such a big issue except for the fact that any such plan would be financially unsustainable. It would in fact bankrupt the nation and force all US citizens into a state of poverty by the dragonian taxes that would be necessary to keep the plan afloat. However, even with such taxes neither the US or any single country will be able to provide health care and other benefits to all of the citizens of the earth. Within 20 years we will be worse off than we are now, with terrible health care service, taxes so high that we will not be able to afford more than the bare basics needed to sustain life. The only thing that may work is for employers to be forced to offer health care with a 50 50 plan whereby the employee pays 50% and the employer pays 50%. This would remove the alure of hiring undereducated illegals then allowing the state and nation to provide for them.

Jenny Bea, Stamford, CT   September 18th, 2007 9:46 am ET

While I'm for everyone being able to go to the doc when sick, and I'm for people participating in PREVENATIVE MAINTENANCE…you know, an apple a day…I do NOT want the same government that is responsible for the Katrina Cleanup, Iraq, Social Security (that won't be available when I'm old enough to get it), Medicare/caid, SECURING THE BORDER, etc. to run my healthcare system. My private insurance company does it's job just fine, thank you. I am completely against any kind of socialist anything. I am not paying for someone else- I barely make enough money to pay for myself! And Illegals- who the hell cares- they're ILLEGAL!!! Why can't she try to jump support for Mexico to take care of its own people??? Why do we need to import that much more poverty and uneducation? How much is Iraq costing, and we may be looking at footing their bill, also? Hillary is a socialist. Take from the rich (many of whom are self made…so much for the American Dream), and redistribute to those that "need it more". Screw you, Hillary. I don't want anyone else paying for me, and I don't want to pay for anyone else.

ALI HUDYBERD LONGWOOD , FL   September 18th, 2007 9:46 am ET

BEAWRE AMERICANS YOU WILL BE PAY TAXES, TAXES AND TAXES TO PAY FOR THIS HEALTH CARE PLAN PLEASE WAKE UP AND SMELL THE TAXES IF YOUR THIGHNESS IS ELECTED

Drommm   September 18th, 2007 9:47 am ET

Proposing something you say will cost approx 100 billion and then turning around and saying you are not sure if it is going to cover close to 20 million people should have that red flag flying up the pole. Of course this will cover them, and of course they are not being budgeted. This plan is a fraud that has zero chance of passing. Mandatory car insurance is constitutional because driving is a priveledge, not a right. Apparently living is now a priveledge since Shrilary is making health insurance mandatory. Any constitutional scholars out there have any input?

Sing, Columbia, MO   September 18th, 2007 9:48 am ET

Are you kidding me?! Are there really US citizens who think our government (the tax payer) should provide services for people who are here illegally?! The only service they should be eligible for is a one-way bus ticket to their home country.

John B. Atlanta, GA   September 18th, 2007 9:52 am ET

To Joe in Florida. If you think this woman's plan is not socialized medicine and wants to create competition in the health care industry then please read this quote from her earlier this month:
"When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything."
Granted that was a quote regarding social security but if you think that this type of idealism doesn't carry over into health care then you are sadly mistaken. Clinton abhors the private sector and believes government is the answer to evertyhing.

Kristi, Elyria, Oh   September 18th, 2007 9:57 am ET

The government takes our tax money and rarely uses it for what they say they are going to. Politicians tell us what we want to hear pre-election, and then once in office, doesn't do what they say they're going to. I don't know about you, but I'd rather leave my health up to the doctors and insurance companies than to the politicians and government. Imagine the beauracracy you'd have to go through just to get a simple proceedure if we had universal (aka government controlled) healthcare. No thank you. If we let the government control healthcare, we are opening the door to allowing them to tell us what to eat, and when and how to exercise. More government is never the answer. Whether you like it or not, this world is, and should be every man for himself. No Universal Healthcare for Anyone, especially illegals!

Patrick, Irvine, CA   September 18th, 2007 10:04 am ET

Most people will be infavor of "free" healthcare insurance until they find out that it's going to cost them money. Many of the currently uninsured (mostly among the 18-34 age group) consciously choose not to buy health insurance because they believe that it is unneccessary. Hillary's plan would force these people and everyone else to obtain health coverage, and pay for it. They're going to find out that the term "free" doesn't apply to them.

Hillary's payroll tax on employers will become another sticking point. If employers have to pay a payroll tax to fund the plan, there's going to be less payroll for the employees. So the employees pay directly for at least part of it. The payroll tax will also increase the cost of goods and services for the customers of the businesses. So the remainder of the cost will be passed along in higher prices to consumers. And we are all consumers of one thing or another, folks.

So before you vote for Hillary or HillaryCare II, consider whether you or the country can afford her or her socialist ideas.

J. Patterson, Cloverdale, CA   September 18th, 2007 10:07 am ET

When ever you hear about the 40 million uninsured, always keep in mind that this figure includes 20 million (and counting) illegal aliens. Universal health care will only serve to attract more. Of the remaining 20 million, many choose not to be covered. (Let's poll the uninsured and ask about their car payments, entertainment and vacation costs etc.)

UHC will be just another stick we give the government to beat us into submission. How long before they start dictating lifestyle choices in the name of cost containment?

Steven, Tucson Arizona   September 18th, 2007 10:13 am ET

IT IS NOT A LEGITIMATE QUESTION! I am tired of illegals sucking down my retirement. When is someone gonna grow a pair and kick these leaches of society out of our country? I will vote for that person! If it means having to vote for Hillary because she says screw illegals, then she will get mine! I am tired of this, if your illegal get out! There are legal ways to enter the country! It's worked for 100's of years!!!!

John Publius   September 18th, 2007 10:18 am ET

The answer for illegal immigration is enforcement of the law. We have more troops on the South Korean border than on our own. We need to increase troop levels on our border. Then, if a person is entering the country illegally, they should be shot if they will not turn around. They do not have a RIGHT to be here. It is a privilege.

David Johnson Bellville, TX   September 18th, 2007 10:26 am ET

What part of "illegal" are so many of us not understanding? If you are here illegally, you forfeit your rights for anything other than to return to where you came from (with a Big Mac meal to tie you over on your trip back).

If you are NOT illegal but came into this country through the proper channels, then, yes, health care is a big issue for every one.

Dave Wilbur Humboldt TN   September 18th, 2007 10:35 am ET

the Government has not stpped illegal drug trade , has not stopped illegal Immigration. has not fixed Social Security in How many Years. there is one thing they do is WASTE the TAX PAYERS Money if they can not do the task listed above. How can they handle Health Care

dogg, salisbury, md   September 18th, 2007 10:40 am ET

Why should Clinton's plan have to cover illegal immigrants. They are here illegally (hence the name) and most do not pay taxes. They would be a very large and unfair burden to those people (legal immigrants included) who pay their taxes and need health care. I just dont understand why this country has to bend over backwards to pander to people who should not be here anyways. Here's a health plan for the illegal immigrants…deportation!!

Ken Lauszus, Sacramento, CA   September 18th, 2007 10:51 am ET

Hillary has no comment about coverage for illegals because she thinks by the time she possibly is elected that her party will have already given them amnesty so they will be included.

Jim, Anaheim, CA   September 18th, 2007 10:53 am ET

Socialized Universal Health Care. Lets see, high gasoline prices, unstable mortgage and housing costs, slumping housing prices, rising food and utility costs, loads of personal credit card debt, and unemployment due to corporations sending work over-seas due to high labor costs. Oh, don't forget the new bankruptcy laws (harder to file).

Any candidate who campaigns for adding another social program requiring increased taxes and thinks they are going to win is living in a fantasy land.

Voter 101 - during tight economic times, the voters will always vote their wallet.

Stop Immigration   September 18th, 2007 10:55 am ET

The WHITE RACE is now a minority of their own doing!

California has more illegal brown faces from over the boarder than ticks on a dog.
Looks more like Tijuana every day.

Hillary's Collective Social Care will open the illegal immigrant door wider with more illegals pouring in like water through a broken levee.

Illegal's should NOT receive free Health Care Benefits.

John, Newport News   September 18th, 2007 10:58 am ET

Cover all the illegals, as long as they provide a local address for statements and their status. Then, after all 12-20 million sign up, we'll have their addresses so we can round them up and send them home.

Stan Koppelman, Warren, RI   September 18th, 2007 10:59 am ET

How was the $110 billion annual cost estimate of her program arrived at? Did it include the cost of illegal aliens who make up a significant part of the currently uninsured people in the U.S.?

ReadBtwthlins   September 18th, 2007 11:06 am ET

Why can't Hillary give the details of her own plan? What.., is she STUPID??

David Anderson, Chicago, Illinois   September 18th, 2007 11:11 am ET

Illegals get free health care already. Federal law mandates that people with emergencies cannot be turned away. Additionally, hospitals, scared of lawsuits, almost never turn away illegals, so this is sort of a moot question. Just be ready to see more of your hard earned pay going to help people who aren't even here legally while you struggle to make your mortgage payments. Is this is a great country or what?

Mr. Doitmyselfer, Anaheim, CA   September 18th, 2007 11:16 am ET

If eveyone would mow their own yards, gather the family together and spend 45 minutes each helping to clean their own homes once a week, wash their own cars every few weeks in stead of the weekly jaunt to the $15 car wash, cooking and eating at home together as a family instead of going out and consuming fattening fast food; perhaps we would not have this overwhelming illegal immigrant problem. We also would not be an OBESE SOCIETY with health problems requiring such talk as Universal Health Care. I'd like to know where it says that we are entitled to healthcare? Nothing worse than seeing obese people buying chips, sodas, cookies and ice cream at the store or waddling into a restaurant and barely fitting into a booth and ordering a double cheeseburger, large fries and an extra large milkshake.

We've created this beast.

J Swisher, West Chester, Pa.   September 18th, 2007 11:19 am ET

How come whenever Hillary opens her mouth, I already know what she is going to say…

Hillary will give education benefits to illegals but not to the American military and his/her family. It seems like the Democrat Party is stuck in the 1930's. There are no new ideas - they just keep wanting to give away everything and let me pay for it.

Greg, Phoenix Arizona   September 18th, 2007 11:20 am ET

The Clinton campaign will not address anything regarding illegal immigrants because they know that if she caters to them she will loose votes. If she's elected then she will boldly stand and support anything that pertains to illegal immigrants.

John, LA. CA   September 18th, 2007 11:27 am ET

Remember when Hillary was first lady? Do you remember how she tried to make a better health care system? FMO's, HMO's. Do you remember how fun the health care system was then? Go ahead and Vote for Hillary.

ralph raleigh nc   September 18th, 2007 11:34 am ET

To solve illegals, and help many Americans (which is the purpose of the government paycheck- unlike the liberals' desires!) I suggest we start to say that any illegal caught here, shall be immediately tested for diseases, and blood typed and put into the organ donor pool- so many americans need livers thanks to tylenol, kidneys thanks to aleve- lungs thanks to cigarettes…. Then only those willing to be live organ donors will try to invade us anymore. Make LEGAL immigration a lot more streamlined so the LEGAL immigrants will not feel desparate enough to want to be organ donors. Deny coverage to democrats- as they are the welfare rolls anyway, and that will pay for itself then also.

JD, Washington D.C.   September 18th, 2007 11:40 am ET

YOU COULD CUT THE uninsured population in HALF by doing nothing more than enforcing immigration laws. Deport all 20 million, and the problem is halfway solved.

Offering "free" health care to anyone who can successfully evade our border patrol will GUARANTEE the program collapses.

The truth, Southlake Texas USA (or Mexico soon)   September 18th, 2007 11:43 am ET

I live in Texas. Illegals already have free health care in the Dallas area through Parkland and John Peter Smith. Only the American citizens have to pay. You think I am joking? Check it out. Illegals in Texas get free health care paid for by property taxes by the county. Illegals do not need a health care plan because they already have it.

Los Angeles   September 18th, 2007 12:05 pm ET

I believe she already plans to give our already too expensive health care to illegal immigrants because she doesn't want to offend the hispanic community. The hispanic community calls everyone racists if they are not willing to take care all illegals who from Mexico and South America. La Raza (the race) have the American people running scarce because they constantly, but wrongly, use the card during any discussion.

Greg, Phoenix, AZ   September 18th, 2007 12:07 pm ET

Think the senior policy advisor really meant to say that that is an issue we are going to wait until after the election to discuss?

So convenient how the Democrats are avoiding any issues that could possibly alienate any segment of the voting population.

How could we possibly trust such candidates to run our country?

Tom - Dedham, Mass   September 18th, 2007 12:08 pm ET

Wow, 111 comments and 95 percent are hammering the Queen on this.

Why isn't the media taking her to task, considering she has had 13-15 years to come up with her plan and she didn't account for ILLEGALS?

Any other candidate would be done, period.

Cary - Lowell, IN   September 18th, 2007 12:17 pm ET

Of course illegals will be covered. They already are. Have you been to an emergency room lately ?

fl jones, san diego, ca   September 18th, 2007 12:20 pm ET

the clintons had a 8 yr failed policy with regard to terrorism and national security. the terrorists attacked 4 times, killing innocent Americans during their 8 yrs and they did NOTHING about it except for embolding the terrorist and it resulted in 9-11.
They had a failed health care plan and they had 8 LONG YEARS to fix it but, no, they gave up and went on to disgrace the White House. Now they want another 8 yrs? To do what? Come on people…dont let these two cheating liars anywhere near the White House ever again!

mike Toledo, ohio   September 18th, 2007 12:22 pm ET

HillaryCare Part II……..everbody MUST have health insurance! Every driver MUST have auto insurance, however, how many drivers are uninsured? Way to go Hill………

Terry Moon, Fremont CA   September 18th, 2007 12:24 pm ET

Leaving out illegals is the only part of her plan I actually agree with. Too bad we arent leaving them out now, one less reason to come here illegally!

flo jones, san diego, ca   September 18th, 2007 12:27 pm ET

Does anybody out there remember the health card that bill clinton waved in the air and promised us we'd all have? He had 8 yrs to get me a card. They failed. Now they want another 8 years. That's 16 years they want to work on something they know will never happen. Meanwhile, he will be free to spend another 8 yrs disgracing the White House and America. Don't be fools…don't vote for these liars!

RCD, Philomath, OR   September 18th, 2007 12:30 pm ET

If it is a system intended for US citizens why would the question of not covering illegals even come up?

Denise Carter, Detroit MI   September 18th, 2007 12:35 pm ET

Doesn't matter how this plan is framed initially. Sooner or later the courts will rule that the benefits will have to be extended to undocumented immigrants. (Witness the N.J. town that decided to rescind its ordinance barring renting to undocumented persons because the legal fees of defending this would have been too high.) While "universal" health care might not be literally true, "hemispheric" health care will be.

The best the public can hope for is that the costs of paying for health care for undocumented persons is including in calculating the total cost for this program. This will ultimately be mandated by the courts, trust me, so we might as well realistically confront the costs.

Don Jones Midland, Texas   September 18th, 2007 12:44 pm ET

Illegal immigrants already have free health care at public hospitals. They receive treatment in emergency rooms for everything from giving birth to having colds to being treated for gun shot wounds. Why would they ever consider paying a premium for health insurance when they receive free health care services? When politicians quote the number of 43 million uninsured is being disingenuous. The real question is, "Will illegal immigrants be issued
prescription cards?"

Rune Stavanger Norway   September 18th, 2007 12:54 pm ET

If your country didn`t use so much money on war they might afford to pay for every bodys health something that should be a first priority of any country…

Sam   September 18th, 2007 12:55 pm ET

Of course illegals will be covered. The name of the game is control the money. More spending means more diverted into the pockets of Ye Friends.

Hillary is a well known corruptionist and influence peddler from way back, in the game solely for her own personal benefit.

Bea, Hoboken, NJ   September 18th, 2007 12:55 pm ET

Hillary cannot answer questions without instructions from her puppeteers. I wish people would not be so cruel to the silly air-head bimbo. Posted By Grits, Huntsville AL : September 17, 2007 9:34 pm

A bimbo??? Gee, I'm surprised that you didn't add the word "blonde" to the equation. That way you could further up the ante and win the award for the most misogynist response of the day.

Ed - Washington DC   September 18th, 2007 1:12 pm ET

Simple answer - NO. They're ILLEGAL what part of that do people not get?
They dont pay taxes and dont get to use our tax supported infrastructure. Send them home to get care from their loving home government.

Jen, Oregon, WI   September 18th, 2007 1:21 pm ET

Universal Health care…..What happens to all those jobs for people who work for private insurance companies?

Dave L. Eden Prairie, MN   September 18th, 2007 1:22 pm ET

If a politician says something will cost $1, count on the real cost being $4. With that said, Hillary Care will cost at least $440 billion. I hope there isn't life on other planets, because if there is, and the word gets out that we provide health care benefits for illegals, we'll be getting an influx of illegal space aliens.

John B. Atlanta, GA   September 18th, 2007 1:23 pm ET

Rune Stavanger from Norway,
You run your socialist country your way. We Americans know how to run ours.

Ralph raleigh nc   September 18th, 2007 1:25 pm ET

Make Mexico the 51st state! Erase their wierdo laws about who can buy land- annex them, let us build down there, and set up corporations, and their economy would thrive. We can also improve their lives by a good dose of ACTUAL LAW ENFORCEMENT- and arrest and imprison all the corrupt politicos and police down there, and really stop the drugs flowing into the USA. If they balk at the idea, then make them pay american citizens- not the government- ten thousand dollars for each of the 60 million illegals here (yes, all of them going back ten years not just this year's batch).

Bob Strock   September 18th, 2007 1:26 pm ET

If Hillary includes illegals in her health plan…then she'll have to have a plan to figure out if they are "illegals"…and that means registration with an I.D. card…and you can bet that plan won't fly among Democrats.

Gary, Summerdale,Alabama   September 18th, 2007 1:28 pm ET

Hillary a very intelligent person??????
Let's see what she knows. Didn't know of her illegal contributions received from a criminal. Didn't know where the law firm records were. Didn't know about her cheating husband. I guess thats enough to clear her intelligence up for now.

Bob Strock, Los Angeles, CA   September 18th, 2007 1:31 pm ET

Regarding Hillary's Health Plan…if it includes "illegals"
then a registration plan with an ID card will be needed. And you can bet Democrats won't go along with such a registration of all illegals.

SR Williams Rockwall Texas   September 18th, 2007 1:31 pm ET

Good old Hilliary says we are going to get the same health coverage as those in Congress. We all will be forced to pay for health care. Now where will the average citizen be when we are all standing in line or waiting several years for treatments under her gov't forced health plan… will the Congress or the illegals be able to move to the front of the line. The line we will be standing in for a long time if this mess is even considered. She only has a blueprint for her plan and after it is passed then our liberal congress friends can fill it in anyway they want. Can't wait

Virginia, New York, NY   September 18th, 2007 1:33 pm ET

Why is it that people think we have to pay for health care of illegals? There are a lot of people who are tex paying US citizens who need healthcare, we should not even consider illegals - Illegals means they are not here legally! They should either become tax paying legal citizens or go home!

Chris Berger, Oakdale MN   September 18th, 2007 1:40 pm ET

The solution to wheather or not to cover so called "illegals" would be to allow them to stay and become citizens like the rest of us who's ancestors who were not indigenous. They (undocumented)are currently forced to live in the shadows of oppression. Yes undocumented immigrants may use the emergency rooms but usualy this is done as a last resort when they are extremely ill, necessitating more acute care and higher costs. Preventative medicine through government mandates will help keep cost down. Higher taxes on the rich and luxery items, in addition to more effeciant care, would help to keep cost down

Charlie, Kings Mountain, NC   September 18th, 2007 1:43 pm ET

Our country isn't ready for a woman president yet — particularly a flower child socialist — which is one reason I'm not worried about Hillary and her plans to tax the American people to death…and beyond.

A woman can't be elected yet in America, plain and simple. We'll have a black male president before a female of any race. So, we're probably looking at an Obama/Hillary ticket, allowing her to take the backseat into the White House again.

Asking the American people to cover health care for illegal aliens is insane. This will only triple and quadruple the number of illegal aliens in the USA. If these CRIMINALS want health care, then Mexico should be forced to pay us $110 billion per year to cover the costs. These are MEXICAN CITIZENS committing CRIMES against another nation, they are NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS.

Eric, from THE, yes THE, Republic of Texas   September 18th, 2007 1:55 pm ET

Headline: "Clinton has no answers for undocumented immigrants"

Calling ILLEGAL immegrants by the purposefully-deceptive phrase "undocumented immigrants," is sort of like calling a dope dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist."

Rex McLauchlin, Okla. City, OK   September 18th, 2007 1:57 pm ET

How about "don't ask don't tell".
RVM

stu castle rock, co   September 18th, 2007 2:18 pm ET

Interesting that with this plan that you will have to show proof of health insurance to get a job. The gov't has done such a good job enforcing proof of citizenship for jobs.

RA The Framing Wizard LV, NV   September 18th, 2007 2:27 pm ET

Essentially every politician in America, at the local level, the state level, and the national level, promises to work to create new jobs in his or her jurisdiction. This seems to be regarded as the highest service a politician can render to constituents.

Although almost every politician can be likened to celebrity Kristy Alley of Cheers and her lasting battle with the heavy weights indorsing Jenny Craig as solutions too effecting issues. As America can see from her present state has not prevailed.

Our law makers are following by example and are not helping any issues with legal American health care denied to the working middle class of citizens that has been long ago promised by these same and continuing law makers have accomplished nothing with tax paid programs.

Now the US citizens can count on our Senators across the board are willing and gracefully rewarding uneducated lower skilled cheep labor illegal immigrants by allowing these amnesty bills to pass in the Senate for contributing nothing by illegal aliens.

Any legislation that pardons lawbreakers and rewards them with the object of their crimes is an amnesty. In other words, it doesn't matter if illegal aliens are given automatic citizenship or a temporary work card, whether they have to pay a fine or back taxes, whether they have to learn English or "touch back" across the border to change their status. If the end result is they get to stay here in the United States and work, it is an amnesty. Rather than holding enforcement hostage to amnesty, will Senators work to simply and enforce the laws already on their books of laws?

A recent Heritage Foundation study concluded that each illegal alien household headed by an illegal alien without a high school degree (most illegal aliens); costs U.S. taxpayers $18,000 a year. You can't possibly believe that the United States needs this illegal labor, can you?

Twenty-three million lower-skilled legal Americans cannot currently find a employment. There is no need to keep illegal workers in this country. The Democratic party; if is elected to our next Presidential Administration may allow this country to head for complete down word trend of liberal extraordinary spending programs and tax the stock investors (the rich); to the point of running our economy out of the markets!

XAMPLE FOR PRO-AMNESTY IN JUNE AND STILL PRO-AMNESTY

The senators noted below supported amnesty in June and show every sign of voting for amnesty again this week. They have been blasted all summer for their anti-American worker, pro-lawlessness stance.

Arizona: McCain
Arkansas: Lincoln
California: Boxer, Feinstein
Colorado: Salazar
Connecticut: Dodd, Lieberman
Delaware: Biden, Carper
Florida: Martinez, Nelson (Bill)
Hawaii: Akaka, Inouye
Idaho: Craig
Illinois: Durbin, Obama
Indiana: Lugar
Maine: Snowe
Maryland: Cardin, Mikulski
Massachusetts: Kennedy, Kerry
Michigan: Levin
Minnesota: Klobuchar
Mississippi: Lott
Nebraska: Hagel
Nevada: Reid
New Hampshire: Gregg
New Jersey: Lautenberg, Menendez
New York: Clinton, Schumer
North Dakota: Conrad
Oregon: Wyden
Pennsylvania: Casey, Specter
Rhode Island: Reed, Whitehouse
South Carolina: Graham
Utah: Bennett
Vermont: Leahy
Washington: Cantwell, Murray
Wisconsin: Feingold, Kohl

jack lagrange il   September 18th, 2007 2:29 pm ET

Illegals are criminals CNN. Now how much will it cost for free socialist health care. Lets address it this way , put a cap on the price of medicine and services. But that would cut into her doner base

Pete Strong, Shalimar, Fl   September 18th, 2007 2:57 pm ET

Hillary's Health plan is dead in the water. If it ever passed Congress (highly unlikely), it will be challenged as unconstitutional. There is no Constitutional basis for the federal government to force health insurance on the population. There is no opting out of Hillary's plan, and the first constitutional challenge will overturn it. To add the federal income tax required an amendment to the Constitution. Hillary's plan would require the same–and I doubt it would garner the required 75% of the state legislatures, much less 67% of the Congress.

Benny, Brooklyn, NY   September 18th, 2007 2:57 pm ET

Considering that everything the government touches turns to lead I would not want the goverment taking on any more services. Let them fix the ones they are already screwing up before they take on any new ones.

Jim Hanson, Reno Nevada   September 18th, 2007 3:01 pm ET

If they are here illegally, they should not be covered anyway. they should not be eligible for any government sponsored services. they are not citizens, and are not even guaranteed rights under the Constitution.

JOEL GOODMAN   September 18th, 2007 3:03 pm ET

ARE WE REALLY SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE HEALTHCARE FOR THE ILLEGAL INVADERS OF OUR COUNTRY? LET'S SPEND THE MONEY TO ROUND THEM UP AND SEND THEM HOME. IT WOULD BE CHEAPER AND MUCH BETTER FOR THE USA TO BE RID OF THESE ILLEGALS-"NOT UNDOCUMENTED"-THEY ARE ILLEGAL. SHALL WE CALL DRUG DEALERS "UNDOCUMENTED PHARMACISTS?"

/////ANDRE , CA   September 18th, 2007 3:11 pm ET

A Republican candidate (who used to be an M.D. and has worked in the health care trenches) has proposed getting government out of the health care business entirely. Allowing the free market to encourage competition for your health care dollars.
As the competition heats up, prices will drop and you might be able to afford to pay your own way.
He also wants to secure the borders and remove the incentives for illegal immigrants.

Dave, Mint Hill, NC   September 18th, 2007 3:14 pm ET

Where in the Constituion does Hillary or anyother politician get the power to initiate socialized medicine or force citizens to purchase health insurance? How is health care a right?

Anthony C., Olathe, Kansas   September 18th, 2007 3:16 pm ET

"I don't mind this brand of socialism" Jeff from Arlington this is an unbelievable statement. Does this mean that you don't mind it as long as you don't have to pay for it and only the "rich" has to subsidize it? I by no means am rich; however, if I were to attain that level it would be by hard work and I don't see why people should be required to turn over their wealth to others forcibly. Everyone is always in favor of spending other peoples money.