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David from AZ wrote:
"It's very possible to support the troops and not support the war they're fighting."

Yeah, I guess you might be right and that may be possible. Sort of like smoking, but not inhaling, right?

But I guess that only happens, depending what your definition of "is" is.

Silly hippy. Go back to smoking dope and playing X-Box in your mom's basement. You clearly are not ready to sit at the grown-ups' table.

For the last couple days Canada's dollar has been worth the same as the American dollar. So maybe you all will finally listen up to what I am about to tell you. Bush has already destroyed your country. It's too late. He's run your economy into the ground. By January 20th, 2009 you won't have the financial power to build a Colt Single Action Army Revolver let alone new Ford-class supercarriers. Imagine a world when Americans start to talk and no one cares. In that silence, know it was the Republicans who lead you there. It's coming, and frankly I am looking forward to it. Will the Democratic Party do anything to stop it? No, they can't tie their shoes without asking Bush's permission. Cheers!

The right wings controllers of CNN must have fallen asleep. CNN actually got one headline right. Republicans block a bill, instead of the usual Democrats fail to pass a bill.
Also, to trekks. I only have one name, my name, which I am willing to let everybody see.

Iraq is no threat to us.

Iran is no threat to us.

Do not vote for any future funding bills, Dems, and get the troops the hell out of there. If you continue to fund the war, you only prove that you have no interest in ending the occupation.

"Does anyone besides those serving in our Armed Forces, their SUPPORTIVE families and educated Republicans have a clue what is really going on over there?"
Posted By USMC Wife, Pensacola, Florida : September 21, 2007 5:06 pm

An educated Republican? Now there's an oxymoron. No, actually, an EDUCATED republican is... a Democrat!

This is actually quite shocking that CNN is allowing non-liberals to post. I would simply like to say thank you to the Republicans for not allowing the USA to surrender to the far left and the terrorists. More importantly, thank you to all of our service men and women who serve and have served our country with honor, dignity and respect. God bless you all.

USMC wife,

Thank you for your messeage, I am in the US Army and I have been to Iraq. I find that I get asked by people all the time about whether we should be there but If I give my opinion people stop listening because it is not against being there. I agree with you on all accounts. It would be crazy to completly withdrawl. Instead of the congress doing this why don't they help make a realistic plan that doesn't have time tables. You can't have timetables in this war. Sadly some americans want the easy way out and didn't listen when the president said when this started that this was going to take time to establish and we are notorious for runnign away when the tough part comes, hence Somalia when Clinton pulled us out after soldiers died. No soldier wants to die, no mother wants their child to die but we are a volunteer army. I signed up and knew what I was getting by doing so and we are improving Iraq everyday but it is not reported because that would not help the bush bashers adgenda.

Posted By USMC Wife, Pensacola, Florida: "One more thing. You can't support our troops but not support what they are doing. It's an oxymoron. Ask any Marine who has served overseas."

That isn't true at all. I can support and love my wife but hate the job she goes to everyday for any number of reasons.

It's very possible to support the troops and not support the war they're fighting. I personally support the troops and have a huge amount of respect for them considering they're fighting for the civil rights of people living in a completely different country. The reality is that the war is unwinnable unless the Iraqis are willing to settle their own differences.

I just find it funny that the democrats keep blaming their failures on the republicans when their own party members are voting against their war measures.

American politics is literally in the toilet … and those who won’t admit it are the extremely wealthy who are benefiting, the marginally wealthy who think they are benefiting and those who simply try to be positive and ignore it. Over the last six plus years there has been an exhibition of complete control over one political party to facilitate the pursuit of a private agenda for the benefit of Special Interests and a select few, who then in return provide substantial financial and strong influential support. These efforts have been constant and include covert as well as overt activities while the average American, including the marginally wealthy, has been given only apathy, the costs, the problems and an abundance of subterfuge. The absolute gross dishonesty, the complete self-indulgence, the offensive and obnoxious arrogance and boldness and the unconscionable performance represent a sociopathic mentality that causes far more problems than just a political inequity – one example being the Iraq War. We can’t even expect to hold our corporate leaders to a high level of integrity if the example our politicians set is one of self-serving irresponsibility. All of this happens while the other political party just sits on their hands as if intimidated and afraid. The voters are the only hope to turn things around and to do so they must put their own individual biases and self-interests aside, to avoid once again being manipulated and deceived, and to instead demand honest, responsible and conscientious political performers. It is up to the voters to first honestly admit the truth so they can then expect better from the politicians.

USMC Wife, first of all, thank you and your husband for being willing to serve this country. I am proud of every man and woman serving in the Middle East. Men and women who are willing to serve, protect, and bring freedom to those around the world. Second, my prayers go out to God for you, your husband and those serving in the Middle East.

To those of you who are against the war, have any of you talked with any of our soldiers who have been in Iraq? I have. I spoke with a young man just before he left for his second tour (in which he died, but loved serving and knew the risk and was willing to take it.) I asked him if the Iraqi people wanted us out or if they were glad we were there. I was trying to see just how biased our news media is. He told me that by far, the majority of people in Iraq were glad the Americans were there and went out of their way to help. The violence that is taking place in Iraq now is not led by the Iraqi people,it's by the terrorists in Syria and Iran (proven by the media). Either support our troops and let them do their job until it's done or give up and let terrorists take over the Middle East and escalate their actions. You can't have it both ways.

USMC wife, God bless you.

Does anyone besides those serving in our Armed Forces, their SUPPORTIVE families and educated Republicans have a clue what is really going on over there? My husband joined the Marine Corps to serve his country even if it means dying for it. Let the men and women in our Armed Forces do their job. When it's time to bring them home, trust that they will be brought home by the Generals who have a realistic idea of what is actually going on over there!

One more thing. You can't support our troops but not support what they are doing. It's an oxymoron. Ask any Marine who has served overseas.

Semper Fi

Does anyone else recognize the republican gameplan for Iraq? The Senate republicans are doing everything they can to delay withdrawl from Iraq. They are doing this against the will of their constituents. The plan is to dump this war into the lap of the next President. That president (Obama?) will have to clean up the mess and pay the tab. In the meantime, come 2009, the republicans will point fingers and blame the Democrats for "losing in Iraq". All part of the twisted logic found in the republican gameplan.

The Iraq War may not have started as a fight against Al Qaeda, but it has turned into just that over the past few years. We're winning in Anbar province that is being pacified as we speak with the help of tribes who have turned against Al Qaeda in Iraq. To quit now that the tide is turning would be most stupid. In this one instance, I'm actually glad the U.S. Government is "going against the wishes" of the majority of Americans by keeping the troops out there. IMHO, most Americans haven't a clue as to what's going on Iraq anyway. They're too busy with their foolish entertainment and MySpace sites. Besides, the majority of TROOPS in Iraq don't want a pullout and we should trust their opinion since they're actually there.

ANSWER:

If we pull out you will see Iran and Syria sweep in and the Democrats will have a lot of blood on their hands.

We also will see our children back in that region ten years from now because we, as a nation, failed to do what's right and fight back fascist Islam.

QUESTION:

Someone who is for an immediate withdrawal, please explain to me what will happen to Iraq if we withdraw all of our troops. I am willing to bet an enormous amount of civilian Iraqi's will die. Way more than are dying now. In addition, those (Iraqi civilians) who believed that we would stay and create a democracy will despise us even more, and, Iran or Syria will take over the country. Where is the good in any of that????? And if you believe that we shouldn't be involved in the Middle East at all, then you are an Isolationist, and, we should pull all of our troops out of every other country and bring them home.

Im sorry John I should have asked you first, how many British people were suppprting the war. I didnt realize it was JUST Tony Blair. You seem to be a real cosmopolitan. And thank you and Dave for the compliments.

James from Phoenix AZ:

Sorry- my post where I explained the death toll was deleted. The numbers were collated at Wikipedia. Please check/read articles referenced #27-32.

Also, I don't understand your last comment. Please explain yourself.

Tired right sider... please get informed.... only BLAIR was for the war....poll after poll before and after the war was launched showed the vast majority of the British PEOPLE were and are against the war. Same goes in Australia. But of course they were ignored. May I suggest spend less time posting under multiple screen names and acquire some actual, factual data?

The Republicans don't seem to care about the fact that we're supposed to be a Democracy in this country. Apparently, the 2006 elections meant nothing.

I can't wait to see the looks on their faces when 2008 comes along and the American people get their political vengeance.

Tired right-sider, U.S:

Sorry, when did I state I was a Democrat ??

You sound so sure of yourself when you decry "pull-out, bring our forces home, abort, retreat, surrender, give up", but when did I ever say that the United States should do any of those things ?? If anything, I inferred we should take the fight to Syria and Iran.

The Bush administration can refuse to set timetables for pull-out, that's fine. US Forces SHOULD stay until the job is done. But what are the measures for success ? What are the conditions for victory ? This has been a terribly executed war, from planning to present.

Judging by the majority of comments here (mostly hogged by trekks the intellect), it seems some people have a difficult time discerning the difference between terrorism, it's causes, and the imperial invasion of Iraq which has fueled the cause of terrorism.

Hey trekks, or whatever other fifteen names you use, the world is not so simplistic like that. And people who oppose the war are not traitors or hate American, or whatever other stupid names you might want to construct. Most Dems (and the millions who don't fall into your black and white world) support fighting Islamic terrorism. This war in Iraq is a distraction and a drain on our military resources.

What's the point of arguing? If you don't get it by now, you never will. I feel sorry for your hateful, narrow-minded outlook of the world.

What I don't understand is why the article is titled "Republicans again block Iraq withdrawals" when three democrats voted against that measure and three republicans voted for the measure.

Could it be a CNN bias showing again?

If the democrats can't get their entire team voting in the same direction why are they blaming the republicans for the failure of their measures?

Tony Blair had to resign as head of the ruling Labor Party in Britain because his stance on the Iraq War. Howard in Australia is in political trouble in Australia because of his stance on Iraq. Chuck Hagle & John Warner are bowing out of the Senate giving opportunities to Democrats-– a former Democratic Virginia governor is known to have a good chance at making Virginia's delegation to the Senate solidly Democratic. Many average guys/gals understand all of this....and we went to the polls to vote in 2006. Go ahead & laugh. I happen to be a moderate. Do you think the nation suddenly changed to a bunch of "liberals" in 2006? Of course not. ?Some of us average guys & gals just know when our country is headed in the wrong direction.

John in Tampa- Really funny that you bring up Allies. England on the whole, supports our actions n Iraq. And your party would abandon any of our Allies, mainly that of Isreal, just to appease its liberal base, regardless of the diplomatic suicide this would mean for us with our ALLIES. You may be able to use such high death count figures if the Democrats dont pull their heads out and get on board.

Laughing hysterically James (Henry). I am often (other than trekks): The Average American, The Average Joe, The rest of Us. org, The American Public, Tired right-sider,and 'anonymous' when some lefty is dumb enough to post that way. Proud to call you a fellow American, James, Pheonix.

Accountability is an important concept in modern U.S. politics. These votes in the Senate are serving to make it crystal clear who is responsible for our country's situation in Iraq. The election of 2006 was merely a prelude to what the Republican Party will experience in 2008. Some chickens are comin' home to roost. Get ready, guys.

This is EXACTLY the best way to support our troops, Joe! You might actually feel a little different if you had as many family and friends over there, fighting for your right to critisize in peace, as I do. You got up this morning and began whining, millions of Iraqies woke up this morning and wondered how much longer they have before a Democrat might take office and pull the only force capable of steming sectarian violence against them.

Democrates are sending Al-Qeada the message that the more of our guys they kill, the more support they drum up from left side to pull out and surrender. Im sure they agree with your choice of politics and presidential cannidate.

James in Phoenix....do your homework and get informed....our ALLIES Australia and England each have done prestigious studies based on accepted methods used right here in the U.S. to conclude that over 1 million Iraqis have been killed by Bush's war. Amazing how many folks know the lastest NFL scores and Britney news but not what their own government does in their name!

How do you know I'm not James

Agreed Eric, and Iraq is key in its location to bring that fight to Al-Qeada. I personally never felt lied to in the first place. Six years ago the president and his admin. came forward to the American people and identified 50+ terroist figure heads. The president said that he would hunt them down and include any country that gave them quarter (protected them). Iraq seemed to be the 'Hilton Head' of the best of the worst of them. There was no negotiating with Saddam on any level of politics, and the UN was obviously doing nothing more than lining his pockets with their 'Oil 4 Food' contracts. In a way Bush pulled the gas nozzle out of our backs, so that filling your tank, wasnt funding another attack against us. Im sure, however, this isnt what leftists are referring to when they say "its all about oil", for them to see the big picture is impossible and reducing the arguement to that statement is all they have.

So this is how the Republicans support our troops. How can these Jokers get away with this?. When Republicans talk about supporting our troops it makes me sick, because they are liars. They are only in it for the power and money the military contractors friends are making. Sad Sad Sad

In fact Henery looking back at the posts 6 of them are mine other than James in Pheonix (a very bright republican whom I often enjoy 'bolgging' with on this site). I wish there was someone more intelligent than Dave to agrue with.

All those calling for a timetable for a withdrawl never address how that would be read by radical Islamists. Does anyone still not believe that militant Islam wants to create Islamic States in Eruope and the US too? This is a battle well beyond Iraw. People can argue whether the Iraq War was just or not, fine, but lets deal with the world as it is right now – radical Islam wants total domination of the world, they admit this openly. Leaving Iraq only helps them to recruit more showing they defeated "The Great Satan" and that they can do the same in other countries. This is why staying in Iraq and fighting is better than leaving and sending a message of weakness, which will invite many more deaths on US and our allies soil.

The Republican administration is not going to concede Iraq. They need the 'allusion' of fear to gain support for bombing Iran. They've used the Weapons of Mass destruction card and now they're having to grab straw trying to justify its pending actions in Iran. Although, this administration doesn't need any Congressional or American Public approval to do anything. They'll just pass laws to cover any contigency to ensure their agendas are met. It's sad that our society has become so apathetic that we've allowed all of this to happen.

Thank you CNN for bringing some relevant news!

Dems should keep on bringing such measures to pressure republicans to vote on record. When more than 60% of american people want to end this war, let everyone know who these senators are! Seems these senators are still wrapped up to protect Bush's war than the troops. There are 22 of these GOP senator seats are up for election in '08. I can see the blood!

Henry- It helps to post under several different 'pin-names' or aliases. I have 7 different ones that I use, and a number of differnt e-mail ads.

Wow my day off and CNN is actually letting us conservatives post. No doubt Henry Tucker, GA, but CNN is much more likely not to let you post anything negative about Obama (Im sure they know Hillary is a sinking ship).Typical of Democrats, they have changed their stance.

This headline is such bias intro from a so-called unbias news organization.

A more appropiate headline would be..

"Dems fail to comfort terrorist"

Mr.Malone please dont try to help us! You obviously dont understand the objective here, or over there, so sit back and relax, we'll take care of it.

Yeah Dave, we all know that but why bring it up, the Democrats wont lift a finger to do anything about Syria or Iran. I think your missing the overall goal of your own party. What do u not understand about: pull-out, bring our forces home, abort, retreat, surrender, give up, (all terms synonamous with your party).

Dave Malone,

Will you please cite your source for 1,220,580 death total?

Iraq Body Count (independent – left leaning organization which tracks civilian deaths) – says it's (at most) 80,000.

Keep spewing your lies. OBL is proud of you.

It will take a while to get any of your Liberal cohorts to post on this one, there busy inventing conspiracy theories on the 'Hillarys queer' story

I'm confused here. Since when does it take 60 votes to get things passed in the Senate as opposed to a simple majority? I understand the whole filibuster thing, but eventually, things to get to be voted on, and things have passed before even by one vote. So what's the deal here?

Nice Headline CNN.

Perhaps "Republicans support General Petreaus's Plan for Success". But that might hurt your reputation for being C.N.N. (Clinton News Network)

I just cant believe the republicans will continue to not allow our party to undermine the safety of this Nation.

It is very clear to me that this administration is going to stifle any attempt by congress to do what is right for America and the Iraqi people. This miserable war is going to be passed to presumably a democratic presidency because the Republican Party doesn't have the courage or integrity to admit error.

Yay- more war! A blank check for the Executive Branch to wage an unwinnable war with no objectives, no long-term plan for survivability of the Iraqi government, no break in the number of terrorists pledging to destroy the United States, no anything. Except death. Lots of death.

Total Coalition Forces Killed = 4,079
Total Insurgents Killed = 13,222
All Iraqi Violent Death Total = 1,220,580.

Btw- where are those weapons of mass destruction ? Probably still in Syria and Iran (i.e. REAL terrorist sponsors).