Does anyone seriously believe Rush "Jeff Christie" Limbaugh really cares one way or another ? He only 'shocks' to sell advertising and cash in.

I'm tired of these people that say utterly stupid hateful things and then say they were taken out of context. (Limbaugh, O'reily and Yes Jesse Jackson)

This was not out of context. If you're gonna say crap like this you can't expect people to be upset.

Limbaugh should make a clear apology,

"For any soldier that served in Iraq that has publicly criticized the War - I apologize if you felt my comments were directed at you. To Jesse MacBeth and any others that falsely claim to have fought in Iraq and pawn themselves off as Iraq-War Veterans - you are a phony".

If anyone can't see or understand the objectional behavior of falsely impersonating a battle-hardened soldier - then you're piling on because you dislike conservatives.

I just find it funny that dem's are so quick to say someone doesn't support our troops when they can't even band together to get them a little extra money for supplies to help soldiers. Bush may have made a bad move sending troops to iraq but the fact is they are there and they aren't getting the support they need.

Rush never apologized for saying drug addicts should be deported,while he was one! I wouldn't hold your breath on this one.

Funny, my husband served in Viet Nam. My dad served at Iwo Jima in WWII and then in Africa. Neither one backs this war, but Rush, who didn’t serve one day lashes out about those who did. Idiot.

If the Democratic leadership is really that concerned about showing support for our troops in Iraq, why do they not universally condemn the very harmful MoveOn.org-sponsored "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?" NY Time ad?

Hey Senator Reid….

AND WHAT DID YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT GENERAL PETRAUS ON THE SENATE FLOOR???

You hipocrit. You are no better than Rush, in fact, you are worse. You are ELECTED to do the right thing. For Rush, it's just business. Oh yea, it is for you too.

How about wasting more tax dollars for senate and house to vote on condemning fat-ass Limbaugh, like they did for Moveon ad.

Come on CNN — point out that Limbaugh claimed he was referring to MacBeth only AFTER his remarks were reported on to the wider media. Point out that Limbaugh has used a doctored audio tape and transcript of his show to bolster his claims. Why would he commit those acts except to cover up a LIE?

It is sad to watch the Democratic Leadership try and act tough. If they really wanted to take a stand in support of our "foney soldiers," they would have the courage to use their majority in the Senate to condemn Limbaugh just as the Republicans condemned MoveOn. By the way, has anyone noticed that the only leading candidate for the Democratic nomination to stand up for the right of our troops to speak out against the war was John Edwards? I find it interesting that Senators Clinton and Obama are unwilling to make statements in support of our troops–I guess they are too busy running their campaigns. It's time for the Democrats to show that they are tough enough to beat the Republicans. It's time for the Democrats to take Senatorial action against Limbaugh.

Dear Mr. Reid, unfortunately you have nothing positive in you. I hope that you and your party goes into minority in the coming election. You want the whole media to drum your beats. It cannot happen, Sir. Have a life.

If Harry Reid so vehemently opposes criticism of our military personnel, why did he not condemn Hillary Clinton for calling General Petraeus a liar? Why did he not condemn Move-On.org for calling the general a traitor?

If Limbaugh had meant only to criticize one actual imposter, he would have said "phony soldier," not "phony soldiers." Clearly, he meant that any soldier who dares to speak out against the Iraq war is a phony. Considering that these Iraq war opponents actually have fought–and in some cases, sadly, died–for their country, Limbaugh owes them and the nation an apology.

Rush is the phony one! He is just another right wing chicken hawk that got out of fighting in Vietnam because of student deferments and a cyst on his behind. Rush should volunteer to go to Iraq and fight so a real soldier could come home and be with their family.

Phony soliders? I guess that phony bullets and IEDs were being shot at them as well. I guess soliders who disagree with the War in Iraq, but nevertheless are willing to serve die phony deaths?

Rush, next time you want to criticize the soliders who disagree with the War in Iraq save yourself the embarrassment and fill it with painkillers and viagra to avoid saying something stupid.

Why do Democrats always shoot themsleves in the foot like this? Limbaugh has all the documentation including the actual show and the ABCNEWS story about phony soldiers. The Democrats are getting owned on this; it just reminds everyone of all their real comments against the military. Just be quiet or you'll blow another election.

Rush Limbaugh is paid to speak, and more specifically speak his about his political opinions. If he wants to argue that he cannot speak in a clear and understandable manner, he should shouldnt be paid as though he does. Yet, the fact remains: Rush deliberately questioned the patriotism of Iraq war veterans who criticize the war (whether or not he says he intended to.) So lets be clear: the right actively seeks to intimidate and bully war dissenters. Where is the outrage?

Hopefully one day someone will take this pompous self righteous pill popper off the air.Hard to imagine that anyone out there still has any respect for this guy.

Rush says he was only referring to one soldier BUT used the term "soldiers"…PLURAL…now he's trying to backtrack and play CYA…talk about a phony!

Hypocrite — isn't it funny how Rush is so quick to cry foul when he thinks his words are taken out of context but is so quick misconstrew everyone else's words on a daily basis!

Condemn what? A left wing nut (formerly a right wing nut) David Brock falsely trashes Rush Limbaugh in the exact same way that he falsely trashed Anita Hill and somehow he now has credibility? Harry Reid is embarrassing himself once again. The Democrats must need cover for the fact that they have done nothing since winning a congressional majority.

Here's the context. I heard the whole thing. They were talking about these people who write fake stories about atrocities that they say they saw, and they are published in New York elitist magazines. Then it is discovered that the writer, while perhaps enlisted at some point, were found not to have an alibi. In other words, it is proven they could not have seen what they said they saw because they weren't there in Iraq at the time, or possibly ever. It was this type of soldier that Limbaugh referred to as "phony soldiers," his term for imposters who allege actual atrocities but are proven liars.

To clarify the word "phony" as it was used by Rush: Phony soldiers like, Jesse MacBeth, who ABC NEWS did a story on last week, are the phony soldiers. Not REAL soldiers who don't agree with saving Iraq. Rush was bashing the FAKE SOLDIERS that LIE ABOUT THEIR SERVICE. So if he is wrong in doing that then that is your opinion. I DO LIKE someone calling out these PHONY SOLDIERS and I have never served one day in the military either, Kaye! So if you have never served then you can't call out PHONY SOLDIERS THAT HAVE NEVER SERVED A DAY EITHER??? You sound like Hillary and Haditha Murtha… speaking before they know what the hell is going on, just cause they can.

I don't get the controversy, Rush is right on this one (from rushlimbaugh.com 9/28/07).

"…If reporters had bothered to check the transcripts and audio at RushLimbaugh.com, or even to call the EIB Network for comment, they wouldn't look like such fools. Rush was talking about phony soldier Jesse MacBeth. MacBeth portrayed himself as a decorated Iraq war veteran who opposed the war. Since "Corporal" MacBeth fit the left's anti-war template, the Drive-By Media lapped up his lies. The truth? Mr. MacBeth was just sentenced to five months in jail for being…a phony soldier. MacBeth never served in Iraq, never won a Purple Heart, never reached the rank of corporal, was never an Army Ranger — and therefore never could have witnessed war crimes against Iraqi civilians as he claimed. In fact, MacBeth washed out of Army boot camp after 44 days…."

Seems pretty clear cut. He wasn't attacking soldiers who are against the war, just THIS phony soldier.

The MoveOn.org clan is intending to smear Rush Limbaugh in order to smokescreen the public about their "General Betray Us" ad in the New York Times.

The fact is that MoveOn.org is deliberately taking the quote out of context, and along with the willing liberal media, trying to defame someone on something they never said.

"Phoney soldiers" was in reference to the many individuals (like Jesse McBeth who claimed he was an Army Ranger, yet never made it past 44 days in boot camp, and was discharged from the Army) who have never served in Iraq in the Armed Forces yet have been put on a pedistal by MoveOn.org for speaking out about supposed "attrocities" committed by our military THAT NEVER EVER HAPPENED.

America is seeing what the Democrats truly are - LIARS AND CHARACTER ASSASINS WHO WILL DO ANYTHING FOR POLICAL POWER.

HARRY REID MUST BE THROWN OUT OF THE SENATE NOW!!!!!

Reid and Harkin are making complete and utter fools of themselves. Limbaugh was criticizing the ACTUAL phony soldiers, such as Jesse MacBeth, who lie about fictional experiences in Iraq, and whose claims are so appetizing to the leftist media that they report without even checking the basic facts.

Reid and Harkin obviously did not listen to the broadcast and, what's more, probably don't want to listen to it now. They'd come to realize what baffoons they are and that they made a terrible error. Wasn't it Reid who said that "the was is lost" a few months back? (Yes.) How insulting is THAT for the troops to hear? This guy is so arrogant that he thinks the public doesn't remember things like that.

Durbin compared our treatment of prisoners to Nazis. Kerry said that the US troops are doing the terrorizing. Reid said we already lost. This stunt today will backfire like nothing we've seen before. And shame on the media for not calling them out.

Democrat party = Media Matters for America = Mainstream Media. If it wasn't obvious to you before, it is now.

If the only battle you've ever had to fight is against your own illegal drug deamons, you should not be impugning the integrity of any soldier. When is the right going to rid itself of hate mongers who make a living villifying anyone who doesn't see the world their way? Political discourse should not sink to the level of personal insult or it stops being dialog and becomes bombast.

Oh yeah, the people criticizing Limbaugh on this one did not listen to the broadcast from last week, either.

You are displaying your lack of an informed opinion. Sorry, but it's true.

I encourage all of you to go out and read the transcript from the show, and also watch the video. It is all available on Rush's website. Come to your own conclusion on whether he owes anyone an appology. Truth is, Rush has nothing to appologize for.

Im just scrolling dow at these comments with one Q in my mind..How many of you actually HEARD what Rush said last week live? I did.He was clearly refering to Jessie MacBeth and OTHERS LIKE HIM.This makes the term "phony soliders" relavent with the discussion he had with the caller (who was a active duty soldier who has been to Iraq BTW acording to him).
This smear is nothing more than damage control/payback on the moveon fiasco.
I expect nothing less than for CNN to ignore certain facts in favor of agenda.

Yea, Rush doesn't support the troops, but Harry and the Harkin bunch do.
How many people really believe this phony idiocy created by blatantly anti-military Dems.

This is a huge liberal slime job. I'm no Limbaugh lover. I don't lean near as much to the right as I used to, but I sure as heck don't lean left. Most liberals are more closed-minded than most conservatives. Those attacking Limbaugh really have no idea what it is they are criticizing. His point is completely valid in this case.

Look, I did a number a tours in the box. Its all marines, sailors, soldiers, and airman. That it. There is no phony applied to them. They are in the same mess, doing the same job, following the same orders no matter what their thaughts are. I take it personally that they kill and continue to kill my fellow AMERICANS, as I know the rest do. If an embeded reported would have asked me in Iraq how I felt I would have said, " I hate this place and I show no compasion for any that is openly our enemy or anyone in impeding our mission. " I know that there are some that feel diferently and it is rightly theirs. I also know that when push comes to shove that they have my back as I theirs as Americas. There is no PHONY American Military. Just many diffent views as there is in the civilian public. It is a shame that such words are spoken of us because we would never call a fellow American phony.

Remind me please. I forgot what Harry Reid said when John Kerry called our troops stupid. Wasn't it Kerry who said, "If you don't do well in school, you wind up in Iraq?” I'm sure Reid condemned that statement too.

Thanks for getting your facts wrong again Reid and getting the other side all energized.

When are the Democrats going to get rid of this political hack and get someone that helps them not hurts them? My God, calling our troops terrorists and murderers, saying the war is lost, now supporting phony soldiers who disgrace the real ones?

we all know who the real traitors are to our troops. Reid is so full of crap his eyes are brown. I heard the show and RUSH was talking about just what he called them "Phony soldiers" and one that had lied about everything he had done in his short 44 days in uniform.

Harry Reid is a phony senator. Just as are the phony soldiers. Its a War stupid!

Hilary lies about taking millions from a corrupt donor and then lies about knowing this corrupt Hsu character. Nobody questions her.
Rush tells the truth about a phony soldier and all the liberals hear what they want to hear.
Plural word. Doctored programming. That is your argument? Come on. Listen to his show for 3 hours a day, 5 days per week. You'll find out what he really says. Not what you heard or think he said.

cnn, why did you report what exactly happened about Rush? he was talking about one soldier that cnn never gave the full truth on. he never and ever said anything about other soldiers who were against the war. why dont you just say your a liberal democrat website/station? that way folks know that your slanted.

Rush Limbaugh is a big (is he still fat?) idiot. A Liar and manipulator who only knows how to create discord, and throw trash around hoping something will stick to his democratic detractors. I really enjoy when he's on the news for all the wrong reasons, which is frequent. He deserves all the flak he is getting.

I believe Limbaugh's reference was to "soldiers" who had been kicked out of boot camp after 44 days.

Wouldn't it be nice to change this? How about voting for the non-polarizing candidates in the primaries?

Part of me should care what this idiot said considering I served in the USMC and did a tour in Iraq, but I don't because he doesn't have the guts to say it to a veteran who is opposed to this war (like me) or even remotely serve himself. I forgot, he is doped up all the time. I think this war is based on lies and if the white house just admitted that this is over oil and regional dominance maybe then we can actually have logial and clear debate on our foreign policy and energy independence. Don't forget also that this has to do with currency and how oil is traded…it will go to euros soon enough..watch!

What is embarrassing is when any member of Congress begins to assail any private organization or citizen, i.e. MoveOn or Limbaugh, on the floor or with any resolution. I would think that the true outrage should come from citizens who watch our tax dollars being wasted on such sophistry. I also find Senator Harkin’s drug comment especially distasteful. Limbaugh is a private citizen, albeit one with whom I disagree most of the time; nonetheless, shame on a Senator Harkin for such a sleazy comment by stating that Limbaugh must be high on drugs. Say what you will in private, but to lower yourself to the level of a talk radio host while on the floor of the Senate debases your office.

Americans on the ground in Iraq need to know without a doubt that whoever the next commander and chief is, that they will always provide the troops under their command with the best leadership and proper equipment. Senator Biden has stood up on both counts. His Iraq plan that passed the Senate in a bi-partisan vote 75-23, shows that he can lead America out of a failed strategy in Iraq, and his commitment to providing life saving equipment.

Does anyone seriously believe Harry Reid really cares one way or another? Today's democrats are as empty and useless as CNN.

Our politicians act like a bunch of poorly-reared juveniles. They are a disgrace to this Nation. There is no LEADERSHIP from any of them on serious issues. They stretch the truth beyond recognition for their own political ends. They prove time and again that they care more about their political power than they do about the USA. Is there anyone in the Senate or House that deserves to stay in office?

The Governator said it best: "Rush Limbaugh is irrelevant."

Thinking Rush would ever apologize for his well thought out comment is simply a waste of time.

In fact the only thing Rush would ever be sorry about is the fact that he can't screen our comments like he does on his show.

He's just a pill-popping phony hired by a monopolistic media company that will say anything to keep his loyal sheep listening and the money rolling in.

Is there such a thing as a well known liberal talk show host?

Completely a smear campaign, blatently obvious, go to Rush's site and listen to the entire conversation.

End of story.

I can't understand why there are so many people vocally defending Rush Limbaugh. He's a complete imbecile, if not proven by this particular case, then certainly by a slew of others in the past. Of course, there are plenty like him on the left who just spout mindless, unsubstatiated rhetoric for ratings who should also be taken of the air. The question I'd like to ask Rush's supporters here is: Are you so unable to think for yourself on issues and need Rush Limbaugh's opinion so badly that you would believe every piece of drivel that comes from his inflated jowls regardless of its merit, or are you just so entrenched in right wing ideology that you are unable to see past it? When Americans stop thinking for themselves, this country is done for. Listen to Rush if you want, it's a free country. Just don't tow any lines and don't be a parrot. Think for yourself and make your own opinions. Don't spout rhetoric like it was your own, especially if it's not factual.

Rush Limbaugh is a bad, bad person. When did he ever serve in a war? Never. When did he do one thing to serve his country? NEVER. Instead, he runs his mouth and insults many of the people who do serve.

Harry Reid is a fool and takes a false story run by "Media Matters" and assumes it to be the truth. I listened to that particular show and it was clear that Mr. Limbaugh was only talking about one soldier! The story of Jesse Macbeth falsely claiming to be in Iraq and stating that our soldiers are committing atrocities is true. Of course the liberal media ran with Macbeth's story assuming it to be the truth. No one in the liberal mainstream press checked the facts of his story. CNN, NYT, ABC, CBS are no longer involved in reporting the news and checking the facts of their stories. If a story fits a political template then they run with it. Shame on the liberal liars and tools like Harry Reid, Mr. Murtha, John Kerry and all the other democrats in leadership roles that are invested in defeat of our armed forces.

All this posturing is ridiculous. Dems don't care about Rush and Repugs don't care about MoveOn. How about we deal with how to serve the nation (and the world).

The decider has dug us an awfully big hole. It's time we start climbing out.

Reid and Murtha and Pelosi are LIARS! They will say anything to get attention- and then continue to do all of their back door deals and lies. If I recall correctly- NOT ONE Democrat condemned Murtha for saying that the "Marines in Haditha were murdering innocent civilians". Now loook at the case- what a joke. Just like the Democrats taking over Congress and making a bigger mess of things.

Wow, amazing. Limbaugh clearly illustrated how his comments were taken out of context by Media Matters — and you can watch video of his comments at YouTube to find out for yourself — and the best CNN can do is give a spare mention of this fact at the end of the piece. Thank God Fox is the only one with bias!

Limbaugh need to quit his braying. He's wrong. He said "soldiers" —plural. Why anyone wants to listen to this convicted narcotic gobbler, liar and philanderer is mind boggling.

After reading some of the comments listed here I can quite understand why this country is going to you know where. Supporting the troops does not mean sending them to Iraq and quietly sitting by while they get blown to pieces. If any of you 25% republican faithful that run around wearing your rose-tinted glasses while listening all day to the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coultergeist, had the guts to go to Iraq yourselves you would be crying to your mommy to bring you home.

Why are lawmakers wasting time and breath worrying about what Limbaugh has to say? They should be more concerned with Opie & Anthony being mean to people on satellite radio.

If Don Imus can be fired for calling female basketball players the name he did,
I move that rush Limbaugh be FIRED for referring to US soldiers as
"phoney soldiers".
Does the man have no decency?
FIRE LIMBAUGH!!!!!

Dear Mr Reid, what a pathetic hypocrite. The comments of Limbaugh are pale in comparison to the way you demonized our troops. Limbaugh is a radio personality, you sir, should be focusing your energy to SOLVING Domestic Problems!

Boy, is this a slow week for the media and the democrats. I was listening to rush's program the day these comments were made. This article failed to mention the full context of the topic that day. I beleive he was talking about the MacBeth guy who was only in the service for 40 days and was then discharged. From what I gathered he lied about his service and the rank he obtained. Not to mention never being in combat to see the supposed war crimes he spoke of. His whole point was how some organizations will latch on to anyone who seems to fit their cause without doing any background checks. And then when the truth comes out no appologies are made and no retractions are done. I actually listened to Sen. Reid's comments this morning and shook my head in shame. If you can't win in the arena of ideas just make something up. Is that what it has come to?

Rush Limbaugh is a BUFOON… anyone who listens to his show are the people the Republican party wants — uneducated and ignorant…that way it's easier to manipulate their ideas…. Who wants to belong to a party who courts these fools.

From some of these replies, Rush may actually be having his words taken out of context. What's hilarious is that this is what he does continuously, non-stop, on his own show, for his own political purposes. I can't really be upset if it's being done to him, after he's done it himself, so many times, to so many others.

Harry Reid is an opportunist like the rest of these politicians, what a weak statement. Political opportunism needs to be recognized by all of us so that we are no so easily swayed by this and the rest of the "mainstream" media sources. You are being strummed like a guitar, break the cycle.

Harry Reid is an absolute joke. He is a politician like no other. He will spin anything to further his cause. How long has he been saying this war is lost?? I would think that would be more offensive and degrading to the troops. This guy needs to go, somewhere!! Unfortunately, he will probably hang around as long as his buddy Teddy. Career politicians! Bring on term limits, for all of them!

All this idiocy is just a three card monty game distracting people from the outrageously poor conduct of *politicians*. The ones who thought they could manage this war. The ones who brought us into this war. The ones that have *no idea* what to do about the aftermath. Of course, the politicans only share some of the blame. They can't help being craven, unintelligent, narrowminded fools. Its how they were made. Its *our* fault for electing them in the first place. Its *our* fault for getting caught up in this partisan "my way or the highway" rhetoric that passes for political discourse. Its *our* fault and we got the government, and war, that we deserve for being willfully ignorant obstinate dupes who fall in line behind the nearest ideologue we see.

Why is it again that we give a rat's rear when the never-serving, lying, supposedly reformed addict Limbaugh questions young soldiers' honesty?

A pimple on his wide butt kept him out of contributing even 1 day to boot camp, so anyone who's made it even a fraction of the way through has done more than his sorry hide ever did in service to his country.

With that bit of embarrassing personal history of cowardliness, you'd think Rush would have kept his mouth shut instead of chiming in with his little denigration of others who've done more than he could find his own way clear to do.

Limbaugh should have been booted off the air a long time ago.

Then, where would we find a pompous, self absorbed, radical, hateful, deceitful, and immoral person to be a talking puppet for the Republican party? Oh, THAT'S RIGHT - The White House.

Limbaugh - go back to pill popping and leave the commentary to people who have more than 4 brain cells left!

I am so sick of hearing about General Petraeus. Here's a clue, people: when a top general is brought in to mimic the Executive's line, he's lost his political shield. Period. That's all there is to it. Get over it. The moveon.org ad was STUPID, yes - but only because the fallout was amazingly predictable, not because it was inherently out of line.

Things are different for enlisted soldiers on the ground. Aside from being in a lot more personal danger, they also don't have the option to resign their commission in protest, etc. They also aren't being brought in on the personal request of the President. So yes - I side with the Democrats, and most especially, John Edwards on this one.

-a long term independent who has HAD IT with the Republicans and their spin

Get a clue conservative Phil, George Bush is the one who cuts funding for the troops at every turn. He won't give them a pay increase, he's cut their medical benefits, he wouldn't even raise the death benefits they get. Who do you think is responsible for them being there without the equipment they need. A simple google search would give you the answer.

PF, you are right ("Political opportunism needs to be recognized by all of us"). WE THE PEOPLE need to tell the politicians to grow up and start Leading this Nation like adults. Stop the partisan, juvenile, "attacks" and prove that you deserve to hold office. Once upon a time, there were Senators and Congressman that did the right thing for the USA. And they were respected for it. What Senator or Representative can we name that deserves respect today?

Some of the Democratic Sentators sat by silent when the Betray Us ad came out. Why are they suddenly pro-military?

"Lortab" Limbaugh should know a phony when he sees one. He was so adamant about putting drug dealers and users under the prison and he was so high himself and was an addict.

He is a phony talk show host who makes his money and reputation on controversy, but when caught, backs down.

Isn't it interesting that the Democrats are always the ones trying to suppress free speech?

Isn't it interesting that the Democrats lie constantly and are never questioned by the liberal media?

Isn't it a coincidence that Harry Reid bring this up on the same day that reports come out that violence has been trending steadily down in Iraq?

I detect a smokescreen by Dirty Harry Reid!

THROW THE TREASONOUS BUM REID OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENT NOW!!!!

Limbaugh should dress up as a soldier, put on his flack jacket and set the Iraq thing straight. He seems to know all the answers.
And make sure his C.O. has ample stocks of
medicines for him…….

Rush was not denigrating soldiers who disapprove with the war. "Phony soldiers" referred, quite clearly if you listen to broadcast, to fraudulent claims of atrocities committed by real soldiers, said fraudulent claims made by people who were NOT ACTUAL SOLDIERS and thus could not possibly have witnessed the atrocities of which they lied. Truly, Phony Soldiers.

Shame on you, CNN, for reporting the lies and trash from Media Matters. It's very clear what Rush said. He'd never say anything bad about the troops but the Dems are on this as revenge for their Petraus debacle. What's also disturbing is the way people come up with hateful opinions without even knowing the real story. And what's the talking point now about "well, he's never been to war…blah, blah". I haven't but I still keep up on political matters. Stop the hate and get informed!

as one who opposes the war, activist media must make sure not to interview jerks who claim to have served in iraq, if they didn't. that's just bad for the cause.

This is just stupid! I can't wait for the day that our Senate will finally get to doing some real business and start actually trying to solve some problems rather than keep playing these stupid high school games. jeesh!

Well Harry you have done it again! You people didn't listen to the broadcast that day and I did. The people that are doubting it are dumb dems that don't for the most part listen to Rush. Only listen to the crazies which sad to say is the media.(Except those that have lately changed parties and those are quite a few.) All of you voting for the democrats are really voting moveon.org. How is it you can not open your eyes? They destroy peoples lives, Delay, Bork, Thomas, to name only a few. They tell lies to the people and this ordeal is just another proof. I was one of those dumb dems but no more. I remain proud of the old dems like Zell or John Kennedy. These ones are just liars.They don't care about you me or the military. We lost the war remember Harry told us. There wasn't even a war going on until they needed your vote. If there were not wmd's why did Suddam think there was and let a war begin in the first place. He could have stopped it all himself by letting the inspectors in. He sure had to be dumb to die if he knew there was no wmds. Think hard people or become a George Soros patsie.
The dems are ONLY in it for the politics and your vote.
Soozy NC

Limbaugh is yesterday's news. Enough of this has-been.

Limbaugh would know a phony if he saw one - and he does, everytime he gazes into his mirror!

Harry Ried should be called Wierd. If the people who were fooled by this phony news story knew the truth they would vote thr Democrats out.

To Laura in Tulsa:

The Democrats are the only ones who are pro-military. If they were in charge there would be no war, and troops would safe at home - NOT DEAD!

Now I know Democrats are STUPID. They would believe any lie Reid said, don't check it out for theirselves, No, No, No. Intelligent people check the source.

It's obvious Harry did not go to the original source to verify. No, since he dislikes Mr. Limbaugh, he would rather believe what he read from secondary sources. Mr. Mooney, did you go to the original source to verify Rush's statement? Mr. Rather learned what many are getting away with. Senator Reed is a savy politican, he's seldom fooled - but he's not prone to be totally honest with his remarks.
CNN could report on Limbaugh's statement and even quote the entire conversation - it they wish to be totally truthful in their reporting.

It's too bad Rush Limbaugh, the "Phony Academic" (no college degree), continues to breath air and eat food that would better serve this world if consumed by intelligent, productive people. The only thing worse than Limbaugh are the ignorant trailer-trash that listen and agree with him. Again, more wasted air and food…

I can only guess that Harry Reid thinks I am stupid enough to just take his story with out checking the facts. He is the leader of the US Senate and has real power to make changes. Do your job or move aside. Voters will only take so much of this garbage.

Rush is one of the biggest chunks of garbage the universe has ever thrown up, but Reid fell into the trap. Rush is a big fat gear in the Murdoch right-wing lie machine and specializes in taking things out of context to divert attention from real issues. Senator Reid, please continue to support the good and don’t take the bait from revolting liars and loudmouths like Rush.

I can’t wait to hear more claims about how this is Clinton’s fault – anyone feel like we're stuck in a rut with the three stooges?

This story is a one sided point of view. Go figure..CNN..Nough said! And some of you "Yellow Dogs" believe these lies! You are fools to be lead around like sheep. I'm not a Rush or O'Rielly fan, but I know a liberal left lie story when I see one. And you people wonder why the Democrats will lose in 08.

I was a live listener to the show and the fact is Rush was refering to 1 soldier and he was a phony!
Gotta love how those who vote against supporting our troops, against funding our troops, and those who constantly undermine the effort with thier outragous comments aimed at demorolizing our troops and empowering the enemy (DEMOCRATS), would dare to twist the words of a man who has the utmost respect for our soldiers!

Oh Please. (Sen-D) Harry Reid has been against our troops and has wanted America to Lose this War all together. Rush has done nothing but re-report on a news story that ABC put out. I agree with Rush I dare you Senator Reid and all you commie pinkos to say it to his face and on his show becuase he will tear you a new one with real facts you idiots. RUSH FOR PRESIDENT "08″

Now that the democrats can see that the surge is working they are trying everything to demean and dennounce any and all republicans. The democrats backed up the "fake" solgier named Jesse until they realized that all of his stories were fake. The reason being as to why they backed him up is because he told so called stories of solgier brutality. Now that everyone knows it was a lie the democrats feel the need to critisize all opponents of them such as republicans and pro-war people.

Try responding directly to Limbaugh via his site…ta daaaa…it costs you…he's ALL republican…"Give me your best shot…but pay me first."

Daniel Brown (Saint Louis),
Your first two sentences demonstrated your bias from the outset. Of course you side with the Democrats…your comments show you have a liberal slant. You assume the general was parroting the President only because he didn’t have a negative report filled with “doom and gloom” scenarios. Additionally, your assertion that only enlisted troops are facing danger in Iraq shows you know very little about the military. A captain leading a patrol (exposed to relatively little danger in your opinion) can attempt to resign his commission in protest. He’ll most likely be told to get back to his duties, and resign when he gets back home.

Rush’s comments were aimed at phony soldiers, and he rightly used Macbeth as an example. MoveOn.org attacked a real soldier who was doing the job the President AND Congress asked him to do. The fact that you can’t (or won’t) discern the difference is pathetic.

Rush Limbaugh does not care about the troops, he is only concerned with his broadcast ratings. Calling veterans phony soldiers is wrong. Coming from a non Veteran like Rush is not surprising. Most Vets I know don't support this war (all real vets hate war). Rush needs to stop reverting to name calling to get his point (albeit a weak one) across.

I don't get the controversy, Rush is right on this one (from rushlimbaugh.com 9/28/07).

"…If reporters had bothered to check the transcripts and audio at RushLimbaugh.com, or even to call the EIB Network for comment, they wouldn't look like such fools. Rush was talking about phony soldier Jesse MacBeth. MacBeth portrayed himself as a decorated Iraq war veteran who opposed the war. Since "Corporal" MacBeth fit the left's anti-war template, the Drive-By Media lapped up his lies. The truth? Mr. MacBeth was just sentenced to five months in jail for being…a phony soldier. MacBeth never served in Iraq, never won a Purple Heart, never reached the rank of corporal, was never an Army Ranger — and therefore never could have witnessed war crimes against Iraqi civilians as he claimed. In fact, MacBeth washed out of Army boot camp after 44 days…."

Real soldiers don't get out of Vietnam because of an arse cyst. I guess that makes Rush a "phony soldier."

Just like CNN to vomit more liberal filth and fodder for liberal nut jobs.

Again you have hacked up a soundbyte and spackled together what you want the public to hear.

Senator Reid is a coward and another puppet of Moveon.org.

Those who love justice are not buying this story at all Mr. Mooney. Call it both ways!

You right-wingers are astonishing. I heard a replay of the broadcast the day that it happened, and Limbaugh was clearly talking about EVERY SOLDIER WHO OPPOSES THE OCCUPATION-PERIOD, as "phoney" soldiers. Before that call, he was in an argument with someone who was against the occupation. I don't know what transcripts you are listening to, but if it came out of Limbaugh's site, I'm "sure" it's accurate.

You people who still listen to this has-been, drug-addled gasbag are just as drug addicted as he is in needed to hear him. What's good enough for MoveOn is good enough for Limbaugh. He deserves full admonishment. By the way, the day MoveOn got nailed by the Senate, they got over half a million dollars in donations by midnight, as well as numerous supportive e-mails from soldiers. That should tell you where people's minds are at.

Why don't you 20+% neo-cons who still support Bush and this bloated radio host do something constructive for a change- go read a copy of the Constitution and get back in touch with your Country's true moral values. Good grief.

It would be absolutely amazing if either party acted concerned about our soldiers, you can look at these postings and realize the real problem, neither the politicians or the people voting for them have the ability to stand on the issues without slinging mud and attacking those of a different view point. Neither party is right or wrong because neither has done anything in the last several years but attack the others, I would personally like to hear someone actually take a stand without attacking someone elses point of view!!!!!

It must be annoying to get taken out of context like that.

harry reid is an ignorant socialist buffoon… who cares what he proposes to think [sic] … where was harry when MoveOn was attacking our troops??? Right … under his cowardly mushroom… he is a disgrace to this nation, to Congress, and to the constitution… I am very disappointed that Rush even acknowledged that harry blubbered… he (harry) merits NOTHING!

Right on Moveon.org. The ad actually worked. Look how it's torqued out the 'Bush' idiots. They are fit to be tied.
I'm laughing real hard.

Maybe Rush is taking those pills again.

Hysteria rules the day with some of you folks. Reading through some of the comments is like listening to a bunch of spoiled little brats who don't get their way. Pathetic.

The democrats support the soldiers, not the administration. General Petrayus, Betrayus, whatever, is still considered part of the administration. When are republicans going to realize that those soldiers fighting, a lot of them, are democrats. The reason the democrats want them to come home is because Bush doesn't have a clue what he's doing and who wants to have their son, daughter, wife, or husband killed while serving that moron?

It's so sad when a group of people can clearly take a man's words who spends 3 hours on the radio and distort them to fit a headline.

Here's the deal, when you media distortionists get a real story, you give me a call. Aight?

At least have the intellectual honesty to post the full transcript so people can understand the context of the statement.

Those of you still crying about the Moveon.org add let me inform you something:

The phony outrage over the add was a smoke screen to hide the fact there has been no progress in Iraq. We've waited for the Iraq progress report and it got an F. What now Iraq war cheerleaders? More smoke screens to hide your constant failure?

Read the transcript before you comment idiots; it is not difficult to see who are the left wing nutjobs on this comment log…

What, are the Dems patriotic and supporting our soldiers now? I highly doubt it. Once again, the Dems disguist me and CNN is their puppet for even publishing this type of story

To be clear, I am perfectly capable of making up my own mind about what Rush says. I take offense at people who have posted here that accuse anyone who defends him of being a 'propaganda sheep'. That being said, what Rush was referring to is the 'phony soldiers' who've never actually been in combat. Anyone not blinded by conservative hatred could see that.

And, it's obvious to me that half the posters here are probably standing outside by the mailbox, waiting for their checks to arrive from Soros. Nice.

Ah yes. The "taken out of context" argument. Last resort when you know you've really screwed.

Here is the transcript, btw there was a full 1 minute and 50 seconds before mentioning MacBeth's name.

From the September 26 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:

LIMBAUGH: Mike in Chicago, welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER 1: Hi Rush, how you doing today?

LIMBAUGH: I'm fine sir, thank you.

CALLER 1: Good. Why is it that you always just accuse the Democrats of being against the war and suggest that there are absolutely no Republicans that could possibly be against the war?

LIMBAUGH: Well, who are these Republicans? I can think of Chuck Hagel, and I can think of Gordon Smith, two Republican senators, but they don't want to lose the war like the Democrats do. I can't think of — who are the Republicans in the anti-war movement?

CALLER 1: I'm just — I'm not talking about the senators. I'm talking about the general public — like you accuse the public of all the Democrats of being, you know, wanting to lose, but —

LIMBAUGH: Oh, come on! Here we go again. I uttered a truth, and you can't handle it, so you gotta call here and change the subject. How come I'm not also hitting Republicans? I don't know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically.

CALLER 1: Well, I am a Republican, and I've listened to you for a long time, and you're right on a lot of things, but I do believe that we should pull out of Iraq. I don't think it's winnable. And I'm not a Democrat, but I just — sometimes you've got to cut the losses.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you — you –

CALLER 1: I mean, sometimes you really gotta know when you're wrong.

LIMBAUGH: Well, yeah, you do. I'm not wrong on this. The worst thing that can happen is losing this, flying out of there, waving the white flag. Do you have —

CALLER 1: Oh, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying anything like that, but, you know –

LIMBAUGH: Well, of course you are.

CALLER 1: No, I'm not.

LIMBAUGH: Bill, the truth is — the truth is the truth, Mike.

CALLER 1: We did what we were supposed to do, OK. We got rid of Saddam Hussein. We got rid of a lot of the terrorists. Let them run their country –

LIMBAUGH: Oh, good lord! Good lord.

[...]

CALLER 1: How long is it gonna — how long do you think we're going to have to be there for them to take care of that?

LIMBAUGH: Mike –

CALLER 1: How long — you know — what is it?

LIMBAUGH: Mike –

CALLER 1: What is it?

LIMBAUGH: Mike, you can't possibly be a Republican.

CALLER 1: I am.

LIMBAUGH: You are — you are –

CALLER 1: I am definitely a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: You can't be a Republican. You are –

CALLER 1: Oh, I am definitely a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: You are tarnishing the reputation, 'cause you sound just like a Democrat.

CALLER 1: No, but –

LIMBAUGH: The answer to your question –

CALLER 1: — seriously, how long do we have to stay there –

LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes!

CALLER 1: — to win it? How long?

LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes! It is very serious.

CALLER 1: And that is what?

LIMBAUGH: This is the United States of America at war with Islamofascists. We stay as long — just like your job. You do everything you have to do, whatever it takes to get it done, if you take it seriously.

CALLER 1: So then you say we need to stay there forever –

LIMBAUGH: I — it won't –

CALLER 1: — because that's what it'll take.

LIMBAUGH: No, Bill, or Mike — I'm sorry. I'm confusing you with the guy from Texas.

CALLER 1: See, I — I've used to be military, OK? And I am a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: Yeah. Yeah.

CALLER 1: And I do live [inaudible] but –

LIMBAUGH: Right. Right. Right, I know.

CALLER 1: — you know, really — I want you to be saying how long it's gonna take.

LIMBAUGH: And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon!

CALLER 1: How long do we have to stay there?

LIMBAUGH: You're not listening to what I say. You can't possibly be a Republican. I'm answering every question. That's not what you want to hear, so it's not even penetrating your little wall of armor you've got built up.

[...]

LIMBAUGH: Another Mike, this one in Olympia, Washington. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER 2: Hi Rush, thanks for taking my call.

LIMBAUGH: You bet.

CALLER 2: I have a retort to Mike in Chicago, because I am a serving American military, in the Army. I've been serving for 14 years, very proudly.

LIMBAUGH: Thank you, sir.

CALLER 2: And, you know, I'm one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I'm proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, if we pull — what these people don't understand is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is about impossible because of all the stuff that's over there, it'd take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse, and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so. And –

LIMBAUGH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even — if — the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull — what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? They can't — I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "Well, we just gotta bring the troops home."

CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what –

LIMBAUGH: "Save the — keep the troops safe" or whatever. I — it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.

CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.

LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined —

CALLER 2: A lot of them — the new kids, yeah.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.

CALLER 2: Exactly, sir.

If the main stream media and the Democratic members of Congress would take the time to get the facts and would listen to all of the audio tape of the conversation between Mr. Limbaugh and a caller they would know that the 'soldier' in question only served 44 days, did not complete basic training, was discharged from the military, did not serve in any hostile fire theater, and is being used by the leftist as their example of a 'soldier' that represents the military. The basic training drop out is a phony that is being portrayed as a ‘hero’. I served on active duty for 20 years and this sounds like another political stunt by the same crowd that in 2000 published a pamphlet outlining how to disqualify military ballots, declared our solders to be murderers before any shred of evidence was presented, accused our military of bombing innocent civilians and otherwise constantly bashes those that VOLUNTEERED to serve our country. How many of those distinguished Senators/Congresspersons have ever served in the military or put their lives on the line for someone else? Very few and probably even fewer of those on the political left. Their too busy bashing the troops and finding ways to undermine the sovereignty our country. Score another one for MoveOn.org and their one world government agenda. After all, by their own words, MoveOn.org bought the Democrat party in 2004.

giving mr limbaugh any attention is nearly as indecent and immoral as he is. people like him need to be ignored. they have no moral ground to stand on at all, period.

It's getting to the point were all speech will be edited for political correctness. Has 1984 finally arrived?

All those that heard the entire episode and comments made by both Rush and his call have the right to make a judgement. All those that heard cuts or via third party should keep their mounths and pens closed.

Please all join me in a prayer -
Dear Lord;
Help me to keep my eyes open; my ears open; and my big mouth shut.

Dem's, Dem's, Dem's. Why do you all insist on an all but worthless apology for every little thing anyone who doesn't agree with your scocialistic views does? Does it make you sleep better at night? I would much rather see action for a real injustice than hear some utterly worthless words. Wha Wha Wha "Grow up" Sen. Reid!

On the January 25 broadcast of his radio show, he told his audience that he had a new name for Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), a Vietnam veteran: "Senator Betrayus." A day earlier, Hagel had sided with Democrats on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in voting to approve a nonbinding resolution declaring that President Bush's escalation in Iraq was against "the national interest."

Harry Reid why don't you crawl back into the hole you came out of, all you do is cry about things, no wonder you guys don't get anything done in Congress. Rush must really get to you Democrat's,that must be why you act like little Children.

The USA is being invaded by Illegal Immigrates and you waste time condemning a Talk Show Host, what ever happened to freedom of speech?

I knew what Rush was talking about as soon as I read this. He clearly was talking about the imposter soldier. But it doesn't matter. If you call yourself a republican you are going to agree with Rush, if you are a democrat you are going to hate him. It doesn't matter. Thats why I think most of these articles CNN writes are a joke. To me I think CNN as a bias towards Democrats, and Im sure others (democrats) dont agree. So why does it matter. We are going to destroy this country because fairness and the middle ground is gone. And thats it.

I love that Harry Reid seems to be making the most headlines in response to Rush's comments, especially after seeing Reid make statements saying "[the war] is lost." As a soldier, that is extrememly disheartening when you feel like many of the most powerful people in this country don't support you. Reid, get off your high chair and take a seat.

Once again, the Democrat Party leadership uses Leninist tactics to inflame the people with totally false statements. Since they cannot actually debate talk radio with anything resembling factual data, they have to attack a messenger.

Limbaugh is no saint, but he doesn't represent anyone, and he doesn't legislate. I personally think he's spineless, as this is a perfect opportunity for him to confront the Democrat Party leadership head on with a flurry of interviews; but, he won't.

Maybe those with common sense in Congress, and that includes those Dems who have had enough, can do for the Democrat Party what Landrum-Griffin did for the Unions and their Red problem.

Sure, the Right can lambast the Democrats and MoveOn.org, but oh my, they can do whatever they want without recrimination and the mantra of "taken out of context". The Right, once again, has established themselves as hypocrites. Lapdog Limbaugh continues to dig the heels of his Fascist knee-high boots at the Left. He is an abomination to the Right for maligning the good name of the brave troops by his comment. What he said should no more be tolerated by the Senate than the Senate tolerated what MoveOn.org claimed in its NYT's ad "General Betray Us". The Right can't have it both ways, although it believes they're entitled to this.

I never trust any major news story when it comes to smearing someone (FOX or CNN), especially in politics. The final goal is not the story isnt typically about the person, its the build-up of momemtum for a political party. If that wasnt the case, then why is the Senate moving to condemn Rush, a private citizen. They can care less about Rush, its about making Rush a symbol of all conservatives and then condemning that. I would better expect our Senators on both sides to make a simple statement and move on, this is a waste of time and tax money. If people truly dislike what Rush said, then dont listen, he's a business and without listeners he goes out of business. I went and listened to the audio and its conclusive Rush was talking about the soldier who did not serve at all. Its also clear now the last morsel of hope the left has is the word "plural" to keep any arguement alive. Not enough for people who try to be non-partisan.

Harry Reid, the phony Majority Leader. Never saw a phony soldier he didn't embrace. Never saw a real soldier he he could warm up to.

It doesn't appear that some posters read through the whole CNN post. I know it's buried but it's true, Limbaugh was referring to soldiers that never served in Iraq but lied that they did, then pretended they saw all kinds of atrocities. I've read transcripts of the show and it's clear that main stream media — and the dems — IS taken the line out of context.

The problem that the Dems have in bashing Rush Limbaugh is that there are far more people listening to him everyday than are listening to them. They know what he actually said.

Harry Reid has no business talking to anyone about disrespect of our Brave men and Women. He and his Fellow Dems have done it MANY times over the last few years. If they would have been behind US since the beginning, it all could have been over by now. Oh and by the way, all you have to do is listen to any Air America show and hear the Hate. No wonder they are going bankrupt.

What would you expect from Rush! This guy is the worst scam of the earth. If you ever listen the guy, you realize that he is phony, andnot leg to stand on. Nothing make sense in what Rush is saying.One advice Rush, go back to do drugs, you liked you better totally stoned.LOL

Senator Reid has disgraced himself and his country with his past comments on our soldiers. His attack on Mr. Limbaugh is simply another political attack. A comment by a radio talk show host bothers him a lot more than the defamation of moveon.org against an active and decorated general. I am sure it has nothing to do with the money moveon.org raises for democrats!

So this is it folks? All the hate spewing on this site and others throughout the web. Our Congress should be about the people's business but instead is interested in radio and web smear sites. This is the best we have to offer as leaders? It sickens me as it should all of us. It's dividing all of us and we don't even recognize it. Regardless of party affiliation we should all expect more from our Senators and Representatives. The enemy is watching and I'm sure other countries are plotting. Wake up people. Sad.

rush and his hero bush are both draft dodging cowardly phonies.

If the Democratic leadership is really that concerned about showing support for our troops in Iraq, why do they not universally condemn the very harmful MoveOn.org-sponsored "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?" NY Time ad?

Posted By Greg - Tracy, California : October 1, 2007 5:18 pm

I think they should apologize as soon as the Republicans apologize for the following ads their henchman put out : The drug addled hypocrite Rush Limbaugh’s “phony soldiers”comment ,The swiftboat ads against Kerry, The infamous TV commercial that Republican challenger Saxby Chambliss ran against Max Cleland (a decorated war disabled Vietnam Vet )that opened with pictures of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, then attacked Cleland for voting against President Bush's Homeland Security bill. It didn't mention the fact that Cleland supported a Democratic bill that wasn't radically different.
So when you hypocritical Republicans apologize for your impugning of the character of these men, then you have the right to show indignation for “Betray Us?”. You rail against moveon.com, but then idolize hate mongers like Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Bill O’Rielly. You need to clean up your own house before you start telling others to clean theirs.

When you get the whole story, you soon learn that Mr. Limbaugh was referring to those "phony soldiers" who never really pulled their share of duty; yet, somehow have been elevated to the level of spokesman for the entire war effort. The Democrats that are slamming Mr. Limbaugh are only speaking to their staunchest supporters, as objective minds will no doubt seek out the truth and reject the overstated claims that Mr. Limbaugh was slamming anyone in uniform who opposes the war. Go to listen to Mr. Limbaugh and then visit the web-based group. Mediamatters.com. It becomes very obvious that Mr. Limbaugh's words were taken way out of context in an effort to discredit him.

Gonzo- I generally agree. However, Rush has had the transcript and audio available since last week. Check it out.

Wow, talk about making news out of nothing. Harry Reid is a bore. He also had harsh words for lobbyists until he got elected, now 3 of his sons work as lobbyists. What a JOKE.

I forgot to add that Rush's rating just went up.

Give the libs a break. They are very angry. You see, their candidates have been lying to them. (No pull out of Iraq deal) It is easier for them to slam Rush, after taking him out of context, than to deal with their anger. Media Matters helped gin this thing up to remove attention from Mrs. Bill Clinton and her many positions on the war. It is that simple.

The truth is not very far away …. go to YouTube and you can find the 6 minute clip where Rush uses this comment of a phony soldier. It is valid and I would add fraud to not only Jesse, but to the Democrats who suddenly find themselves NEEDING to be seen as supporting the troops.

Democrats are all about the next elections. You see so many derogatory comments made by democratic party leaders about the soldiers, that I being a foriegner in this country feel very bad about and sorry for these brave people betting their lives on the front. Any one having a common sense cannot end the war as it is. It is not only important to USA, but also to the entire world that we can fight terrorism. I bet not a single democrat leader has any plan to end this war without furhter destabilising the middle east. Slogan or speech to end the war is not sufficient, a plan to do it without destabilising the area is important. But, I totally agree that the reason to begin Iraq invasion was not warranted. If WMD is a reason, probably North Korea, Iran must have been attacked before Iraq.