Honest to God, some of the comments made against gay people on this post are unbelievable. Yes Republicans there are gay people in your party, the fiscal conservative ones, the ones who are true conservatives before the radical and facist religious right highjacked your party.

I honestly don't see why the Log Cabin Republican's numbers are not increasing considering the moral values crowd of the Republican Party is bargining for sex in the bathroom, Washington Intern Programs, or claiming morality being a televangelist while having fun on the side.

WOW - I'm shocked to see what CNN has decided to delete and what they've decided to keep on this ticker. Did FOX just purchase CNN?

From the anti-gay comments on this topic - my partner and I a pray you find grace and peace within yourselves. Our son and daughter certainly have - I guess they're being brought up right, huh?

Goodness! I thought there were NO gay Republicans. I'd better check with Larry Craig on this matter before I form my own opinion.

Like he is one to talk about marriage with all his wives.

Hey Bill Wheeler and all the other guys using hateful gay bashing language.

Just be careful you sound like you have the classic GOP CRAIG syndrome…is spreading

A national gay rights group is against Romney? He may be worthy of my vote.

Tom in Dedham

Republicans proving to liberals a point about making assumptions. As a secular gay liberal (who refuses to be ashamed about this) I think that is very laughable.

Yes, we all know how Republicans are the most oppressed people of all because they sometimes have to listen to negative facts about Republicans and because they have to listen to those who disagree with them sometimes. At least that's what they seem to claim.

I know you Bush-defenders don't care about the rest of us, including all the children who will be affected by your beloved Saint W's veto (we need that money for the war after all!).

It's not true to say Cheney is not connected to Halliburton. Who knows if what you say about Clinton is true or not, but if he did do that it just shows he was too corporate and conservative like I've always said. (And how many of his no-bid contracts, if their were any, involved the kind of price-gouging that all of Bush's contractors exact on us taxpayers?)

We haven't had a true progressive/liberal in office forever, thanks to media-believing naive folks like you, and it's obviously what we need.

Mitt Romney has flip flopped on more than just the gay marriage issue. I think most people are getting caught up on the fact that the log cabin republicans are gay and completely overlooking the point they are making, that Mitt is a flip flopper.

Mitt comes across like a used car salesman. I really feel like he'd say anything he thinks his audience wants to hear and do it with a smile on his face. I have to ask myself when Mitt speaks, is that how Mitt really feels or is he just pandering to his audience again?

Get past the fact that the log cabin republicans are gay. Any other group could have made this same ad. It doesn't matter who the group is. The point is the message of the ad, not who made the ad. Most of you can't see the forest for the trees.

Just one last point for Mr/Ms anonymous. It is very true that AIDS is not a modern day disease. It is not a new virus. It is very closely related to the virus that caused the Black Death in Europe. Decendants of people who survived the Black Death are immune to AIDS.

Most people suspect that Cheney divested himself of Halliburton interests as "thoroughly" as Bill Frist divested himself of his financial interest in the huge medical enterprises the Frist family owns (isn't it HCA or something like that?). Before Frist left office, it was brought to the public's attention that he was still involved in decision making & I believe he was being investigated for insider trading or something like that when he left office?

As a lesbian, these "Republicans" are shunned at parades and festivals. They are jeered by the overwhelming majority. They're out, but ashamed of it, unlike your Sen. Craig. And for Voter…we're here, we're queer, LIVE WITH IT!!!

Based on my understanding, I'm not sure Mitt is really that different today than in the past.

For instance, he is personally opposed abortion but promised he would not repeal the abortion laws as they stood in Massachusetts (in order to maintain the will of the majority in that state - a key democratic principle). However, he did prevent other laws from being passed that would have expanded abortions in different ways.

The fact that a pro-homosexual group opposes him should attest to his family values and conservative stance.

Mitt is not a perfect candidate, but I believe he is the only republican who has a chance to win against Clinton.

Of course, only time will tell.

Yes Karen, in the context of my argument, "straight, family oriented, hard working Democrats" take ownership of "just plain stupid".
Thank you for making that point clear..

But it was just a tongue in cheek argument, as being gay doesn't make you any less Republican than smoking or eating to much, all are sins.

If you want less government interference in your life and less tax taken out of your paycheck, you're a good candidate for a Republican too. Vote policy, not personality..

As a gay man, I do find it odd that there are gay republicans. I also find it odd that there are black repbulicans. But…there are! Look at Condoleeza Rice.
Anyway, my point is this. Although I primarily sway on the democrats side, I do agree with Republicans on certain issues. For one, Abortion. I do not believe abortion should be legal. Second, Illegal Immigration. I believe we should put them all on a bush and send them back to Mexico. (I'm in Texas so our problem is Mexicans) I'm sure other states have other illegals there. Regardless, it IS possible to be a gay republican, just like it's possible to be a rich white democrat (i.e. most celebrities)

Once upon a time the Republican party stood for fiscal conservancy and limited government. Those are the platform upon which "Log Cabin" Republicans stand. It is interesting that with a Republican President & Congress we have a massive national debt and a vested interest in limiting certain peoples freedoms. Interesting…So much for those good old fashioned Republican values. I don't think the article is particularly leftist it is just information. It is interesting that 13 years ago he had a totally different set of values. That really isn't that long ago. What was it that inspired this "change of heart" that is what I want to know.

Posted By Tom Soppe, Portland, OR : October 5, 2007 12:01 pm

I'll write this real slow so you can read it, Cheney has NOTHING to do with Halliburton, NOTHING. He divested long before he became VP and for the record, Bill Clinton gave Halliburton no-bid contracts, so what does that make him?

What do you, only watch, read and listen too media matters, NPR, MSNBC and PBS?

Sorry you live paycheck to paycheck, but I am just a rich Republican who "got mine", so I don't care about your situation ONE BIT.

See how dumb that sounds, making asumptions like that because I don't agree with you?

I just have to laugh at that. Log cabin republicans. haha

Gay Republicans. About as logical as caring Republicans, non-gullible Republicans, smart Republicans, peaceful Republicans.

But of course I'm just a liberal elitist for pointing this out, right? Even though I live paycheck to paycheck. But rich people from Republican political dynasties (Bush) aren't elitist, and greedy CEO war profiteers (like Cheney & friends) aren't elitist. Right, Republican pundit-believers?

Actually, foolish people, both parties are the party of family values. Their actual disagreements are whether to build jails or schools, buy guns or food. In recent years, the conservatives have embarked upon the Gingrich Doctrine of trying to smear the opposition parties as 'traitors and perverts' in order to get the power to build jails and buy guns. This has allowed them to pass laws without proper debate; look around at the world today and see if you think it worked out for them.

Good heavens, people, both parties have extremists. Don't be so gullible. Everything isn't about left vs right - often it's more like 'pay me now or pay me later, take your pick.'

This blog has certainly brought out the hipocritical, hate filled Bible banging bigots of the right.

The Democratic Party of 2007 is increasingly led by moderates who are often more closely akin to pre-Gingrich Republicans than the Republican Party of 2007. It's difficult for me to understand why in the world gay Republicans would remain loyal to a political party under the control of necons and especially the religious right that scorns them except when it's cashing their checks.

Romney is a used car salesman in a $2000 suit, he'll say whatever he thinks you want to hear to get elected. In '94 he tried to pass as a moderate to win in liberal Mass. Now he wants to woo conservatives by posing as one of them. I'm sure if he were running for mayor of San Francisco he would come out in favor of same sex marriage and reveal he's been having a long-term affair with his college roommate.

homosexual Republicans? Seems rather hypocritical to me. — Stephen, West Columbia, SC

I agree Stephen, very hypocritical. Its like having straight family oriented hard working Democrats, very hypocritical.., or maybe their just plain stupid.

Posted By RightyTighty : October 5, 2007 10:39 am

HHmmm… well tighty whitey, here is one Democrat that can write intelligently, I think you meant to write "or maybe THEY'RE just plain stupid"..you see they're is just a short way to write 'they are' where as 'their' shows possesion such as "it was their car"

Oh, by the way, I am hard working, family oriented and straight. Grow up and please learn to use the English language properly.

It's really very sad that a person who values small government, low taxes, and individual freedom sounds so strange to people.

The Republican party is supposed to be the party of morality and family values. Homosexuality is clearly neither moral nor a family value, so how can there be homosexual Republicans? Seems rather hypocritical to me.

Posted By Stephen, West Columbia, SC : October 4, 2007 8:05 pm
Well, Stephen, if you're any example it is also the party of narrow-minded, uninformed bigots.

If they accepted the truth, they would go back into the closet where they can do whatever sick thing they want without making a display out in the normal world.

Posted By Voter, Seattle WA : October 4, 2007 10:19 pm

Methinks thou protesteth too much. hard to believe you're from the Left Coast.

Some of the attitudes posted here make me ashamed; not of being an American but of being of the human race

Males and females have the right to be gay but males gays do not have the right to spread their disease to other people. People should remember how many
people have died from Aids and the fact the very few were actually gay. Aids is not a modern day disease. Look what happen to Alexander the Great and his army. Look what happened to the Jewish men who brought back women from the plain cities. Moses was commanded to hang all of them. Just? If AIDS had wiped out the Jewish people would any of us be here today?

The nasty homophobic rhetoric coming from some of the postings is utterly disgusting….what ever happened to the golden rule… Do unto others as you would have them do unto you? What about…don't judge lest ye be judged? Of course these comments are coming from the same stupid republicans who kick out arab linguists from the military at a time when we need them the most to fight the war on terror, just because they happened to be or suspected of being gay!

homosexual Republicans? Seems rather hypocritical to me. — Stephen, West Columbia, SC

I agree Stephen, very hypocritical. Its like having straight family oriented hard working Democrats, very hypocritical.., or maybe their just plain stupid.

Voter, Seattle WA:

Displaying a little bit of self-hate maybe?

You know what they say about people that are strongly homophobic - the majority of them are closet homeosexuals…sounds like he's taking a que from his "bathroom buddy" Larry Craig.

CNN, are you kidding me with this? You post a comment like Voter, SEattle WA on this site and you delete mine when trying to defent the gay population. You are as conservative as Fox news.

Voter in Seattle WA:

How dare you judge anyone. You think perhaps gays do it just to annoy the hell out of people like you. Their parades are nothing more than entertainment. Their kissing is nothing more than the way you would kiss your spouse. I noticed you only mentioned men kissing men. You're probably one of those sick perverts who thinks two women together is HOT and two men together is disgusting. You should be banned from ever commenting again.

Obviously you've been watching too much O'Reilly on Fox if you think CNN is only about bashing Repubs. Compared to Fox, CNN rarely touches politics….
After you put W in the office (2x's)- you have no right to trash anyone.

Gay Republicans? Isn't that an oxymoron?

The Log Cabin Republicans should see the light and abandon any hopes of trying to change the inherintly homophobic Republican party, and just come to the Democrats.

Mitt Romney is personally responsible for voiding my Massachusettes same sex marriage to my husband of 13 years. We are from NY, and at the time we got married there, the law said out of state residents coulg get married. Romney, then governor, invoked a rarely used 1913 law passed to keep out of state mixed race couples from getting married in MA if their home state barred inter-racial marriages. He's a horrible evil person who will burn when he dies for that.

And for anyone who posts that homosexuality is immoral, and will cite the bible, probably Leviticus, that same part of the bible says child slave labor is ok. That's ludicrous! Therefore, so is the gay part.

People who harbor views like Voter from Seattle are the very reason why there should never be popular votes on gay rights. These people claim to love the sinner and hate the sin, then spew this garbage. The only reason he wants gay people to stay in the closet is so they will be more inclined to tap toes in public bathrooms with him on the weekends. No thanks. Not soon enough the likes of him will die off and I won't have to read this hateful crap at work.

Hmmm, gays criticizing an historic pro-choice position? I guess when you don't have a dog in the fight ….

In reading an article about how Mitt's (his real name is Willard) Morman Faith has shaped his character.

I had forgotten that his father also ran, unsuccessfully for President.

Do we need another "son"? Bush ran to show the "old man" how to do it … I don't want another "son" running to avenge or surpass what his "old man" did.

Wow. The whopping three member fundamentalist homosexualist group calling itself "Log Cabin Republicans [sic]" issues a press release, and CNN dutifully prints said press release verbatim and calls it "news". Interesting.

Voter, Seattle WA

who are you to decide what is normal?
I suppose you going to say "Well the Bible says its not normal!"

Wrong, the Bible doesn't govern our country, the Constitution does. So based on that statement that "All men are created equal": we should treat everyone equally and with equal rights.

Gays and lesbians will spew out dirt at anyone and everyone that will not agree with their views and agendas - all in the name of discrimination of course.

Just read this article by:

Kristen Grieco , Staff writer
Gloucester Daily Times
Wednesday, September 26, 2007

A speech by a "parental rights" activist in Gloucester has been canceled after a gay marriage advocacy group threatened to protest what it deemed "hate speech."

Cape Ann Marriage and Family, which characterizes itself as "pro-family" and has been active in advocating for a popular vote on gay marriage [in Massachusetts], had planned a meeting at a Main Street pizza parlor featuring a lecture by David Parker of Lexington.

Parker is suing the state for the right to be notified when issues of sexuality, including gay marriage, are discussed in his young son's school. The case was initially dismissed but is on appeal.

Parker first raised the issue in 2005, when his 5-year-old son came home with a children's book promoting diversity that included illustrations of families headed by same-sex couples. He was later arrested for trespassing after refusing to leave his son's school after a meeting with school officials.

Parker's scheduled appearance Saturday at Valentino's caught the attention of the Manchester-based group Know Thy Neighbor, which has published the names and addresses of people who signed a petition opposing gay marriage [in Massachusetts]. The group accused Cape Ann Marriage and Family of promoting "hate speech."

Parker and Jonathan Ring, chairman of Cape Ann Marriage and Families and organizer of the event, said that they were disappointed by the cancellation, which they blamed on pressure put on Marnoto by Know Thy Neighbor.

"This is a very common ploy of the pro-homosexual movement to stifle free speech," said Parker. "When they find out that there is going to be some kind of public event where they do not approve of the speech, they label it as hate speech before they've heard it and they threaten a protest."

Parker called Know Thy Neighbor's tactics "intimidation and harassment" and a violation of his free speech rights. He said he planned to pursue a complaint of a civil rights violation with the district attorney.

Since his arrest in Lexington, Parker said, he has given a number of interviews and lectures about his "pro-parental rights" views.

Parker said he was not being paid for his appearance in Gloucester and was "simply a motivated father."

This pretty much says it all and paints the picture as to what is happening in Massachusetts right now. We [the majority] are being silenced by pro-gay groups - all in the name of discrimination.

So, Governor, don't worry about this group that's attacking you - we KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

Nice try but the GLBT community is 5-10% of the population tops and largely viewed as abnormal even if they've never been formally diagnosed and given a DSM code. Equal rights for them may be the next big human rights issue in America, but their political value is marginal.

The man is a simple phony.

He will say anything, and "change" his view conveniently depending on the office he's running for.

His phony claim to be a life long hunter to pander to the gun nuts in the NRA was the clincer to reveal how this man speaks with a forked tongue.

His father, Gov George Romney of Michigan, was a decent man. Why is this 2nd generation (Like Dubyah Bush) just dumb empty suits compared to their famous daddies?

Mitt is the peoples champions and doesn't need the votes of the gay to win or their support to do what he needs to do. And that is win the nomination and bring values and prosperity back to the american people.

Go Mitt!! At last a candidate with values!!

Romney is a two faced moron that knows what neither being a Mormon beings or a Zionist. Stay out of the race and just stay in Utah.

Homosexuals, whether they be Republican or Democrat, are against anyone who does not accept them as "just like everyone else." They are not like everyone else. Just go visit San Francisco during one of their parades. THAT is NOT normal. Watch two men kiss each other. THAT is NOT normal. So, who cares what they think the truth is. If they accepted the truth, they would go back into the closet where they can do whatever sick thing they want without making a display out in the normal world.

Those log cabin republicans make Romney the governor sound pretty good. Its too bad Romney didn't stay who he was. If he had remained the intelligent, socially moderate, fiscally conservative politician he used to be, I might consider voting for him.

A Gay Republican Group? Really? That's about as realistic as a Logical Democratic Group!

this means Romney will win Iowa for sure!!!!!!!

That's because the "why" is to pander for support from whomever he can. If it isn't obvious, then waste your money on him.

That's pretty disgusting. Why doesn't the spokesperson just say "We don't care because they're gay." A group attacking him on his "social conservatism" and his frequent changes of heart is completely irrelevant to his position on gay marriage. Not to mention, there is not 1 republican candidate I am aware of that supports gay marriage like this group does, so he can't claim they are specifically attacking his record because he is anti-gay marriage.

That is the point this article is making - that Mitt has no views … just says what he thinks the voters want to hear.

When running for governor in MA, he ran as a liberal.
Now running for President, he wants to please the conservative base so he's advocating their platform.

Trying to court a different group, he claimed he was a "life-long" hunter (not true) and joined the NRA six months ago.

Jen in AZ sounds like she leans a bit toward the radical right … they usually use labels to replace thoughtful discussion.

Jen, while that may be true, so is this: I believe that politicians are as a rule, liars, cheats and thieves. The only question here is how Romney stacks up against the others, better or worse.

Awesome closing Jen. It sounds leftist. It must be untrue then. Anywho…I cant see where the Log Cabin Republicans are coming from on this one. They take out an add to bash Mitt for fighting "conservatives and religions (sic)extremits" When a cornerstone of the most right-leaning faction of the Repbulican base shows nothing but contempt for the GLBT community. Are they in effect saying his scorn for the GLBTs is not nearly authentic enough to warrant religious extremists and the like to vote Mitt? I guess they are just nailing him on his flip flopping but it's a very odd article indeed.

The Republican party is supposed to be the party of morality and family values. Homosexuality is clearly neither moral nor a family value, so how can there be homosexual Republicans? Seems rather hypocritical to me.

Uh…. I think you missed the last two paragraphs Jen. Romney's campaign manager was asked to sum up or defend Romney's views, and did so rather nicely.

Go Mitt! The Log Cabin Republicans are NOT the demographic that Mitt needs to appeal to.

How many gays are in that cabin, anyway?

You never hear a word from them.

Does the GOP keep them surpressed?

Oh, that's so funny. They call themselves the LOG CABIN REPUBLICANS, reminds me of that maple syrup you put on your pancakes.

Here is how this article - which is really more of a blurb - would have gone if it were "leftist":

"The Log Cabin Republicans, an organization of gay Republicans, has issued an ad attacking Mitt Romney for his social conservative ideals, or lack thereof. Romney, who claims to have many traditional conservative beliefs, has flip-flopped in recent years on such hot-button issues as gay marriage, abortion, and immigration. In fact, it appears as though Romney is willing to say whatever it is he thinks is necessary to get elected. For example, when running for the United States Senate against liberal Ted Kennedy, Romney went out of his way to appeal to liberal voters, voicing support for abortion rights. However, now that he must gain support among conservative voters, Romney has announced several changes in position, particularly with respect to abortion rights."

You see, Jen, contrary to what the folks over Fox News tell you, coverage of one political interest group's opposition to a Republican candidate is not by definition "leftist." If that were the case, then coverage of an interest group's opposition to a Democratic candidate would have to be "rightist", now wouldn't it? But we don't often here about the "conservative media" do we?

You're feeling that the article was "leftist" stems from its failure to "sum up or defend why Romney has his views."

It wasn't the article that failed to do that. It was Romney's spokesman.

So I guess he is leftist, eh?

Dear CNN,

We see right through you. 90% from Romney's opposition and 10% for rebuttal. Fact is, they had to go back 13 years to find this!? It is because he switched over long ago and then proved he was pro-life while he was governor, but you don't mention that…

Romney is a flake and will always be a flake. How ever ever got elected as governor of a democratic state is beyond me.

Actually, Jen, this article doesn't "sound leftist" at all.

The article goes into great detail about why Romney isn't conservative enough for one group of Republicans.

That sounds "rightist" to me.

C'mon Log Cabin Republicans –Larry Craig supports Mitt Romney! What else do you want?

This article on Romney, to me, is unreliable. Although I don't favor Romney, the article fails to sum up or defend why Romney has his views. It sounds leftist.

Mitt is just adopting John Kerry's successful campaign strategy of flip-flopping on the issues…wait, I forgot that John Kerry lost.

Or, Mitt can always say that he was for abortion before he was against it and that he was for gay rights before he was against them. You know, his positions "evolved"…wait, I forgot that conservatives don't believe in evolution.