October 8th, 2007
08:45 AM ET
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Obama: GOP doesn't own faith and values

Obama told an evangelical church in South Carolina: "I am confident we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth."

GREENVILLE, South Carolina (CNN) - After speaking to an evangelical church on Sunday in this traditionally conservative South Carolina city, Sen. Barack Obama said that Republicans no longer have a firm grip on religion in political discourse.

"I think its important particularly for those of us in the Democratic Party to not cede values and faith to any one party," Obama told reporters outside the Redemption World Outreach Center where he attended services.

"I think that what you're seeing is a breaking down of the sharp divisions that existed maybe during the nineties, when at least in politics the perception was that the Democrats were fearful of talking about faith, and on the other hand you had the Republicans who had a particular brand of faith that often times seemed intolerant or pushed people away," he said.

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soundoff (976 Responses)
  1. EB Rideout

    Gee.

    Who's gonna break the news to crackpots like Pat Robertson and Jim Dobson that they don't have a lock on religion?

    Maybe they'll have to *gasp* find legitimate jobs.

    October 7, 2007 08:57 pm at 8:57 pm |
  2. Lynne, Dove Canyon, California

    What ever happened to the division between church and state? Why is he campaigning at a church? God forbid a Republican candidate would do this, CNN and the radical left would be all over them.

    October 7, 2007 08:57 pm at 8:57 pm |
  3. jrc indianapolis

    Aren't there any Christians out there concerned about his comment "I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on earth."? Aren't the other faiths concerned about his wanting prayer so that he 'can be an instrument of God'? These statements seem to be incongruent with each other and who he has claimed to be. I guess it depends on who is in the crowd.

    October 7, 2007 08:58 pm at 8:58 pm |
  4. Bill, Clarksville, TN

    I hope that the Kingdom that Obama is confident in creating here on Earth is inclusive of other faiths. Frankly I've seen much inclusiveness or tolerance from any faith. This should be a concern to everyone. Of course if he just talks this way in church, he's just saying what they wanted to hear, and if that's the case, he'll tell anyone anything.

    October 7, 2007 08:59 pm at 8:59 pm |
  5. H. Ayliffe, Corpus Christi, TX

    Sure sounds like Islam to me. Do we really want to have a president with those leanings. "Create a Kingdom here on Earth" "Instrument of God" where have you heard those lines before? Let's not hear more of the danger of the religious right.

    October 7, 2007 09:00 pm at 9:00 pm |
  6. so true, Desha County, Arkansas

    Sounds like the later rain movement..
    by the way, td jakes is a oneness pentecostal. denies the clear orthadox teaching of the trinity.
    and that is NOT orthodox Christianity, neither is prideful setting up the kingdom here on earth.

    October 7, 2007 09:00 pm at 9:00 pm |
  7. T Clark, San Dimas, CA

    Really, Obama, if you are "confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth" you might want to talk about your faith more often than just "in church". This all makes me wonder; who's Kingdom are you talking about creating; God's or yours?

    October 7, 2007 09:00 pm at 9:00 pm |
  8. Bradley Schaubs, Greeley, CO

    Compared to the right-wing tyranny we've let lead us these last eight years, Barack Obama is a godsend. For those of us that have been asking for a savior in our prayers, the Lord above has sent an answer. The Shrub's cowboy-style handling of Iraq has divided us. Would the Lord Jesus Christ want us to be pitted against each other like we are now? NO! Christ encouraged harmony, and Obama encourages harmony.

    Some of you right-wingers are free to follow your beloved liar into oblivion. Face it, the truth is beyond your little minds. You have been decieved beyond reason. Those of us favoring the left-wing values are far more than willing to take the truth Obama promises and move on, not live in the past.

    October 7, 2007 09:00 pm at 9:00 pm |
  9. Kevin Jones, Omaha, NE

    We now have a generation rising up that's only known more conservative philosophies for most of their adult lives. They think liberal policies deserve a chance- not knowing their history well enough to understand those policies already are proven failures from their run that began in the 1930s and ran thru the 70s. Unfortunately, I foresee another liberal run for maybe the next 12 to 20 years- until these new policies again fail and this generation realizes that government can't fix the human heart.

    October 7, 2007 09:00 pm at 9:00 pm |
  10. Bill, Clarksville, TN

    I meant to say that I've NOT seen much inclusiveness or tolerance from any faith.

    October 7, 2007 09:01 pm at 9:01 pm |
  11. Chris, Fort Wayne, Indiana

    So all of you Obama supporters are not the least bit worried that he wants to create "Kingdom on Earth?"

    I guarantee that if any right wing opponent made those remarks that would be lambasted. What ever happened to separation of Church and STATE??

    October 7, 2007 09:01 pm at 9:01 pm |
  12. DJH, Buda, TX

    Obama is an empty suit and, while I have no doubt he's intelligent, empty headed when it comes to politics and the world and policy. His naivete is as dangerous as Hillary's whacked out sense of self importance and 'can do no wrong'.
    The way he chose to frame this 'we didn't want to talk about values and they were being intolerant' is nothing more than a LIE to further hsi agenda. First of all, the dems haven't embraced faith they have outright ATTACKED IT! And to claim the R's were intolerant and somehow the dems/liberals aren't is silly and completely fallacious.

    But, by all means, continue to spout the 'neocon' idiocy! It just shows the left for what they really are, full of hate, intolerance and willing to stifle the speech of anyone who disagree's with them.

    October 7, 2007 09:01 pm at 9:01 pm |
  13. Billh

    Sounds a lot like the muslin extremist that are killing our brave men & women in terrorist attacks. They also believe that they are "destined to create their style of Kingdom on Earth". You people are soo stupid...obama seeks to destroy capitalism and replace it with socialism, or worse, islam.

    October 7, 2007 09:03 pm at 9:03 pm |
  14. Joseph, Hampton Roads, VA

    I would argue that he does have confidence in his political position as a man who wants to implement change so we are no longer eating from the scraps of corporate America. Gigantic corporations have a stranglehold on American citizens, and while you may roll your eyes at how ridiculous it sounds, you don't have true freedom because of this. Obama wants to limit their influence on us and help Americans get back to owning their lives. I support his policies, as a Christian, and as a human being. We are forgetting about others and becoming a "me" society - what is best for "me". Barack wants to unite us, his message is one of hope and peace.

    October 7, 2007 09:04 pm at 9:04 pm |
  15. Lee, Ann Arbor, Michigan

    What Obama and the other democrats need to understand is that people of faith (who follow Jesus as their Savior and Lord) will not vote for a candidate (or party) that believes in the killing of unborn babies.

    This is a real quandary this 2008 election because those of us that believe in the sanctity of life will not vote for a candidate who approves of abortion, NO MATTER WHAT PARTY THEY ARE.

    The democrats have other issues that believers do not approve of and the democratic candidates can't hide from their platform, no matter who the candidate is (ie; gay marriage, euthanasia, etc.).

    October 7, 2007 09:04 pm at 9:04 pm |
  16. dbsb tampa florida

    all these politicians republican or democrat claim to know God in one way or another. If they really knew thier bible at all they would follow Jesus example and be no part of this corrupt political system at all. So they are all liars anyway.

    October 7, 2007 09:04 pm at 9:04 pm |
  17. Charles, Orlando, FL

    Too bad Christianity isn't about creating a kingdom of God on earth, by the works of man.

    Swing and a miss, Obama.

    October 7, 2007 09:04 pm at 9:04 pm |
  18. rick, atl,ga

    Obama is nothing compared to Ron Paul!

    October 7, 2007 09:05 pm at 9:05 pm |
  19. Raymond F. Nicholas, Chicago Illinois

    "I don't talk about it all the time, but when I'm in church I talk about it."And when one's selling used cars one talks about used cars, like a good used car salesman.

    October 7, 2007 09:06 pm at 9:06 pm |
  20. John Overland Park, Kansas

    I find it telling that an atheist like Lioness is comfortable with Obama's statements because she knows it is only political rhetoric.
    I recall how it scared the living hell out of liberals during Bush's first campaign when he spoke about his faith in God. I thought it funny then that the fear came from the fact that he actually meant what he was saying.
    I find it tragic now that so many will find comfort in the fact that Obama is only campaigning and doesn't actually believe what he is feeding these crowds.
    God help us.

    October 7, 2007 09:07 pm at 9:07 pm |
  21. T.B. Baxter, Enid, OK

    Just what does Mr. Obama mean by the statement, "I am confident we can create a Kingdom here on earth"? Is he talking about the Kingdom of Barack? Jesus will return one day and establish His kingdom on earth. We don't need a politician with delusions of grandeur. Mr. Obama can talk the talk alright, as can most politicians, but until I see the fruits of the Spirit in him, there's not a chance in, well, you know, that I will be voting for him.

    October 7, 2007 09:08 pm at 9:08 pm |
  22. Steve, South Hadley, MA

    The issue isn't just about faith folks. He's a 1 term Senator, former state legislator with very little governmental experience. He's never been responsible for a state budget, let alone the national one. He has little to no experience in foreign policy matters. And while it's nice to hear someone talk about "dreams" and "hope", what we really need is actual policy points on how he is going to run the country. Democrat, Republican or Independent...all need some concrete experience in governing before taking the national state.

    Ask yourself after you truly research Mr. Obama whether you would be willing to turn your own house over to his governing. Would you trust him with your checkbook? To Educate your kids? To plan your retirement? To protect your family? Please realize that popularism is a terrible way to run a nation.

    Democracy wasn't ever about who's the nicest guy (or gal) but about who's best suited for the job of running the day to day, behind the scenes matters that keep our country a prosperous, safe and most importantly FREE nation.

    October 7, 2007 09:08 pm at 9:08 pm |
  23. Carl Nolan, Bosque Farms, New Mexico

    I'm glad this is not one of the Republican canidates speaking or he would be excoriated by the same crowd that is now praising Obama.

    October 7, 2007 09:09 pm at 9:09 pm |
  24. GOD in HEAVEN

    HEY OBAMA...
    This is GOD - You are a muslim phoney!!!

    October 7, 2007 09:09 pm at 9:09 pm |
  25. MaximusDelta, Marrero, La.

    I an sure this will be posted on CNN.
    The clinon news network.

    Obabma was raised a mooslim.
    I am sure I want to follow after the teaching of the mooslims.
    Who is obama anyway?
    A leftist more left then hillary.
    Yes morons of America vote for obama and see the re;ligion of peace expand into your neighborhood with local beheadings of Chritians.

    October 7, 2007 09:11 pm at 9:11 pm |
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