October 8th, 2007
08:45 AM ET
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Obama: GOP doesn't own faith and values

Obama told an evangelical church in South Carolina: "I am confident we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth."

GREENVILLE, South Carolina (CNN) - After speaking to an evangelical church on Sunday in this traditionally conservative South Carolina city, Sen. Barack Obama said that Republicans no longer have a firm grip on religion in political discourse.

"I think its important particularly for those of us in the Democratic Party to not cede values and faith to any one party," Obama told reporters outside the Redemption World Outreach Center where he attended services.

"I think that what you're seeing is a breaking down of the sharp divisions that existed maybe during the nineties, when at least in politics the perception was that the Democrats were fearful of talking about faith, and on the other hand you had the Republicans who had a particular brand of faith that often times seemed intolerant or pushed people away," he said.

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soundoff (976 Responses)
  1. Buddy, Pittsburgh, Pa

    Creat a Kingdom Here on Earth...Instrument of God...sounds like the Iranian Guy who just spoke at Columbia !!!

    October 7, 2007 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm |
  2. Major Man, Petersburg, VA

    If (political) experience were the issue for American voters the following would be at the top of the polls:
    Biden
    Kucinich
    McCain
    Dodd
    Brownback

    However, the electorate is quite smart in realizing that leadership and a man who can unite CITIZENS (read: Average Joe's like you & me) is going to win in '08. VOTE OBAMA!!!

    October 7, 2007 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm |
  3. Bubba, Texas

    Borat Hussein Obama for a global caliphate! Vote often!

    October 7, 2007 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm |
  4. Tar Heel Fan

    "I don't talk about it all the time, but when I'm in church I talk about it."

    I think that statement tells you all you need to know about Obama's faith. He displays it when it is comfortable and what people want to hear but conveniently puts it away when the audience changes.

    October 7, 2007 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm |
  5. Billy Pilgrim

    If he believes he can create the Kingdom on earth he truly misunderstands scripture and he really is freighting.

    October 7, 2007 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm |
  6. Lioness, Washington DC

    William Miller,

    You said:

    "Someone help me here. Should this church lose it's tax exempt status for campaigning for a political candidate?

    Is what this church doing endorsing a political candidate by hosting a service with Obama as a speaker?"

    I've always wondered about that. If the answer to your first question is yes, then half the churches in this country should have been penalized for all the right wingers who have preached there.

    I think what cannot happen is to have a PASTOR campaigning for a candidate, but there are blurry lines. What that means, according to the letter of the law, I don't know.

    October 7, 2007 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm |
  7. boB, Sunrise, Fl

    He's unreal. A truer hypocrit you won't find. Just last year he derided Republicans for mixing faith with politics and that politics should be secular. Now this.

    To the poster who said "no wimp is he", maybe not. But a CHARLATAN or MYSOGYNISTIC OPPORTUNIST? DEFINITELY!

    October 7, 2007 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm |
  8. Ray, baghdad, Iraq

    After reading the article and the comments that has been posted here, it is easy to see why even the elect will be deceived. Obama is clearly not a believer of Jesus Christ. He is doing what all politicians do on the campaign trail during election season. He is high jacking black churches for his political gain. Shame on you Obama and shame on you church leaders for allow such degradation to continue to happen in the name of religion, faith and moral values.

    October 7, 2007 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm |
  9. mike, LA CA

    How will he get the Christian vote when he wants to kill babies up to the minute they are born? He voted to let babies be kill up to the minute they would be born. He voted to let a 40-week baby to be born half way and then get stuck in the back of the head and stir the brain like it was soup. That does not sound Christian to me.

    October 7, 2007 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm |
  10. M White, Shawnee, Oklahoma

    How wild. George Bush says these things and he is a religious kook with evil intent, tantamount to the jihadists. Barak Obama says them and he is an enlightened holder of moral truth. Go figure.

    October 7, 2007 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm |
  11. Ron Nebraska

    Lioness.....isn't it amazing how the subject of Christianity brings out some of the most vile, intolerant and racist language on these posts?

    October 7, 2007 10:51 pm at 10:51 pm |
  12. Edward

    CNN
    I want to thank you for this Blogg and the video search feature on your website, much better than fox. If you ever decide to be honest as a news organization just giving us the facts, allowing us to decide for our selves you may make it back on top.

    October 7, 2007 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm |
  13. Mauricio Ely NV

    This is all well and good Mr. Obama. But whats important to me in a president is your thoughts on solutions for our imploding economy, the weakened Middle Class, crazy Islamicist nations, broken borders ect. More important is your plans to fix a government thats so corrupt, bloated and out of touch with the Constitution and the people as to make it criminal. Pray for the unborn Mr. Obama, pray for them and the little children.

    October 7, 2007 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm |
  14. walters, A

    PLEASE FELLOW BLOGGERS THOU SHALL NOT JUDGE OTHERS FAITH, OBAMA SHOULD BE FREE TO EXPRESS HIS BELIEVES AND U SHOULD ALSO GET BACK TO STUDY THE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF THE BIBLE BEFORE COMMENTING. THE LORD SAID SAID WHERE TWO OR THREE ARE GATHERED HE IS IN THEIR MIST, THAT WHAT HE MEANS LET'S FORM THE LORDS KINGDOM.
    U GUYS ARE FREE TO VOTE FOR OBAMA OR NOT BUT TO EXPRESS THIS LEVEL OF ILLITERACY AND HATRED REALLY SCARES ME WHERE WE ARE HEADING TO, IGNORANCE IS A REALLY BIG DISEASE.
    THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR PARTISAN OR FANATISM GIVEN THE PROBLEMS FACING US, FROM IRAQ TO IRAN, HOUSING PROBLEMS, JOBS THAT HAVE BEEN OUTSOURCED, SERIOUS BUDGET DEFICIT.
    EDWARD EXPERIENCE HAD NEVER BEEN QUESTION NOR HILLARY ATLEAST OBAMA HAS MORE EXPERIENCE IN ELECTIVE OFFICE THAN THESE TWO, THIS ASSESSMENT IS BASE ON FACTS NOT ON COLOR OR HAVING DOUBLE STANDARDS.
    THANK U.

    October 7, 2007 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm |
  15. E. O'Neal, Peoria, IL

    Please tell me noone is buying his lies, rhetoric, and propaganda. You have to know he's VERY shady, disingenuous, and completely & totally not for real. He's on par, or even worse, than HRC. He wants power, period. Don't fall for it!!!

    October 7, 2007 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm |
  16. Roy

    It won’t be long and Obama will start wearing the Crescent Moon of Islam pin on his lapel, and Be PROUD of it!

    Already, he wants to create “THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN” on Earth!

    Barack Obama claims to be a Christian and yet he and his church, the United Church of Christ, supports homosexual-preachers as being men of GOD!

    In 1972, his church was the first to ordain an openly gay man. Two years ago, his church endorsed same-sex marriage, the largest denomination to do so, which denigrates the WORD of GOD.

    Biblically, Barack knows nothing concerning the Word of God! He can’t be trusted to be President of the USA.

    The BIBLE says the SIN of Homosexuality is a REPROBATE SIN... a person who is rejected by God and beyond hope of salvation.

    October 7, 2007 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm |
  17. JRivas Houston, TX

    Obama told an evangelical church in South Carolina: "I am confident we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth."

    There should have been an audible gasp in the room when he said this. I can understand the ignorance about the blasphemy of this remark here in this column of comments, but the evangelicals in that meeting should have a siren and a blinking red light go off for them.

    October 7, 2007 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm |
  18. Bud, Buddyville, OH

    What would be said if a Republican presidential candidate shared the pulpit on a Sunday morning during a campaign? I'm ok with him speaking about his faith, but the double standard is puzzling. This strikes me as over the line. Many of the same people trumpeting this as wonderful pilloried Bush for praying about decisions he needs to make. Be consistent.

    October 7, 2007 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm |
  19. HUHHHH?????????????

    1st, he's going to smacked down by the Hillary hate-machine. Then Hillary will get pilloried by whoever gets the republican nod. Barrack Hussein has nothing beyond fawning hopeful fans and Hillary just has too many negatives. Everyone knows liberals hate God and our military, come election time that will prove fatal for libs.

    October 7, 2007 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm |
  20. Lioness

    David Gauss,

    Is religion something that can only be inherited? Is there a special race of conservative Christians who must show a lineage of like-minded ancestors?

    If your answer to either or both of those is yes, then Seig Heil!

    Interesting how right wingers think nothing of those murderers and child molestors who claim to find God once they are in prison and have no trouble finding a pastor to "welcome" them into the kingdom of God. Talk about a past!

    I'm sorry, neocons, but I find your outrage hilarious. How the mighty are fallen! You are probably scared that Obama is going to steal even more republican votes than he has already.
    Half of you probably don't believe what you are saying about Obama, but political anxiety has your blood boiling.

    I wouldn't worry too much, though. Rove and Buish are working very hard to ensure that Hillary wins the nomination so that they can galvanize republicans of all stripes to vote against her. They are doing this by saying publicly that she will be the nominee, thus pumping up the "inevitability" rhetoric so as to discourage democrats who don't support her from voting for another democrat, and so as to encourage GOPers to hit the campaign trail.

    If they succeed, this outrage you are spitting out today may be in vain.

    So relax – for now.

    October 7, 2007 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm |
  21. Dave Seymour, Tn

    Well with comments like his,, he has just become another candidate for a future Antichrist. Of course there are so many of them one might get them confused.

    October 7, 2007 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm |
  22. Deb Ferrell-Lynn

    The difference between the faith that Obama and the other Democratic candidates talk about and the faith that conservatives talk about is that Obama wants Christianity to bend to the liberal view of earthly perfection while conservative religion calls for people to subordinate their wills to God's law. We are called to love our neighbors and follow the 10 Commandment. Can we really be obeying God if we do not speak out against sexual promiscuity, the worship of materialsim, and, worst of all, the idolizing of self gratification? Obama and the DNC appear to be supporting a warped form of "modern" Christianity ... "anything goes" as long as you wrap it up in terms of "tolerance" and "love." God help us.

    October 7, 2007 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm |
  23. Phyl in CT

    I guess I am confused or mis informed. I thought campaigning or politicking in church was not allowed. I thought a church could be penalized for allowing this activity to happen. Maybe the rules have changed?

    October 7, 2007 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm |
  24. Chris, Austin , TX

    Once a Muslim, always a Muslim.

    October 7, 2007 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm |
  25. Mael, Chester VA

    I think Obama may have something but he still has to do one thing that no Democrat is willing to do and that is sever the radical pro-choice and radical homosexual planks of his party. Democrats will never win big in the South and Midwest with people of faith while they allow such horrid banners to fly in their midst.

    October 7, 2007 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm |
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