Sorry, CHurch for that you will have to give up being so jealous and covetness Mitt Romney.

Church NOrris doesn't know what is right to stand up for anything,

He needs to pray more and shut up completely or maybe write "THe Idiot's GUide to Survival, and show himself as the perfect example

Thank you................

God bless America.

Look at your Pledge of Allegiance and look at your money and tell me how you leave God out of it.

Also, nowhere in the constitution does it state "There shall be separation of Church and State." What the constitution ACTUALLY says is "The government will not restrict nor endorse any religion over another." Separation of Church and State was later interpreted from this. Only recently has it been abused to remove all evidence of any religion (especially Christianity) from state owned property.

Posted By lou tulsa ok : October 23, 2007 1:23 pm

Hey Lou? Where the hell have you been? The Square Planet?

Time to come back to reality....

Though I don't normally take part in such asinine banter I have to say I side with Chuck Norris on this. I would hate to live in a country run by secular liberals.

Goobye God. Goodbye Christianity! Welcome Cuba! Welcome Nazi Germany! Welcome Red China! No wait . . . welcome Afghanistan!

How is that like our founding fathers? Was it them who put "In God We Trust" on out money? No. Was it them that put "Under God" in our pledge? No.

Was it our founding fathers who specifically drafted our constitution so that we must all believe in a single god? Nope, they never did that either. In fact, the non-establishment clause is pretty clear.

So, how is he like the founding fathers? And, if there is a "Creator", why does he need anyone to "stand up" for him? Isn't god all powerful? And why hasn't he smited me yet?

what a crock this is....the overwhelming majority knows the value of separation of church and state....as an athiest I'm outraged by your high and mighty insinuations....the proof is right in front of your face...theocracies across the world are the least developed, and most likely to abuse their citizens. Keep your religion OUT OF MY FACE....

"It is one thing to disrespect someone but their God? It's not only insulting but hurtful."

Grow up. God by definition cannot be hurt. And it was Chuck Norris who attacked the secularists like me, first. All I did was point out the brute facts that nonreligious societies are better off than religious ones.

Hurtful? Did I hurt your imaginary friends feelings? Fine! Good! Maybe then you and your religious partners in crime will stop bombing so many innocent people! Maybe you and your imaginary God will stop telling people what to do in the bedroom, or what to learn in school!

Finally someone's feelings got hurt! Not too nice when the "secularists" defend themselves from your bigotry and your imaginary friend's stupid little rules, is it?

Dont you have some praying to do somewhere? Go pray for me to dissapear or something. If you prayed more to God maybe he wouldnt let people like me run amok and hurt your sensivite little feelings in the comments section of a website. Sheesh.

The Founding Fathers did NOT recognize any Christian God as a creator. They were "deists" if you even know what that means. Shame on ME for defending the modern world from barbarians like Chruck Norris?

TP, you need to grow up and get rid of your imaginary friends. Shame on me. Yea right! It isnt me who is leading the world in sucking at everything I do; thats the Christians job. Enjoy your divorce and STDs and low income and lack of education and war. Ill hang out with the "evil secularists" and have my health and peace and prosperity and technology and freedom and progress.

While his point is slightly off in completeness, his opinion is still valid. Many posters (most of which remained Anon) had the same opinion regarding our nation and the “separation of church and state.” That the founding fathers set up our nation as-it-is today is kind of foolish. They were breaking off from European control in which they saw the combination of a ruler who controlled both religion and faith outright. They developed the 1st Amend. Which allowed people too choice various religions. The fact that it is a “secular” ideal is undeniable; however the nation is not fully secularized. There is no law disallowing religion to be involved in politics or business, therefore the nation that the founding fathers developed cannot be considered fully secular. It might be splitting hairs, but Norris clearly is referring to the desire to keep faith and religion involved in our lives so that the nation does not moral crumble ‘al Soviet Union. As for the founding fathers not following a creator… come on, its well documented that they were religious and God-fearing. They belived that a creator could help establish a nation to allow anyone to prosper. Chuck is tough to argue against, I hope all of you watch your backs; although if you don’t know Chuck Norris is already behind you: You’re already dead.

Time to become educated...READ BELOW!!!

You show me where ANY Framer of our Constitution said something like this, "Norris added. “He doesn't abandon his values for what's expedient. Like our Founding Fathers, he's not afraid to stand up for a Creator and against secularist beliefs.”

& I'll give you a millon fucin' dollars…Thinking like this is exactly what is wrong with most Americans; most simply do not understand why or how our nation was formed the way it was…

In fact,
Let me set the record straight about HOW THE FRAMERS STOOD FOR SECULARISIM & the United States….

John Adams:
The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.
– John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" (1787-88), from Adrienne Koch, ed., The American Enlightenment: The Shaping of the American Experiment and a Free Society (1965) p. 258, quoted from Ed and Michael Buckner, "Quotations that Support the Separation of State and Church"

Jefferson:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802

Treaty of Tripoli Stating that the US is not and was not founded as a "christian nation" Passed unanimously, with many in the Seante who were founders of the US…

"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] … it is declared … that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries….
"The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation."
— Treaty of Tripoli (1797), carried unanimously by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams (the original language is by Joel Barlow, US Consul)

Need I show you more???

Yup, as a liberal democrat you are required to hate each and every person who is not an ideological soldier marching to liberalism. Now please enlighten me on how tolerant you liberal democrats are.

The Lib Democrats should respect Christianity and Christians as they do Islam and Muslims.

Then again we are talking about people who fully support the Dictator from Iran being able to speak his mind here, yet look to censor each and every conservative voice that has a speech with ideas, facts, and beliefs that contradict liberalism.

The hard core fundamentalist religious extremists in America are a very very small minority in this country. However, even this less than 3% of the population is far more tolerant, open-minded, loving, and respectful than the 30% or so of liberal democrats in America today.

Kiss my . . .

Anyone can cherry-pick quotes from the past to prove their point.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams

Power always thinks... that it is doing God's service when it is violating all his laws.
John Adams

The Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation.
If I were an atheist, and believed blind eternal fate, I should
still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most
essential instrument for civilizing the nations.
John Adams

I have sworn upon the alter of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
Thomas Jefferson

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.
Thomas Jefferson

The god who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.
Thomas Jefferson

t is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.
George Washington

Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

George Washington

All who think cannot but see there is a sanction like that of religion which binds us in partnership in the serious work of the world.
Ben Franklin