Giuliani is frightening more than embarassing– at a recent speech he said that Democrats are stupid for considering diplomatic talks with the heads of middle eastern countries, and that "you can't treat those people like human beings- you have to ostracize them." He also called for more "aggressive questioning" (i.e. torture), and used the word "terror" every third word. Are we really going to allow our fear of terrorism lead this country into another 4 or, god forbid, 8 years of "1984″?? Whatever happened to the America where we respected human rights and civil liberties? I want a world where our phones aren't tapped, we don't go to war to support oil moguls, global warming is acknowledged, cronyism is a bad memory, and the U.S. stops alienating the rest of the world. Please realize the danger before it is too late and DO NOT let Rudy Giuliani become our next president.

Rangell has a lot of nerve.

His own party has a drunkard murderer and a homo pimp.

Surprise! they're both from Taxatusetts

Regardless of party politics and which party has more sexual or moral indiscretion, I am just a staunch believer in keeping one's personal life out of politics. FDR's wife was possibly a lesbian, JFK was allegedly sleeping with numerous women including Marilyn Monroe, Abraham Lincoln's sexuality has been called into question but at the end of the day, they are three of our greatest presidents of all time and their personal life has no bearing on that. That being said, Giuliani would be a terrible president because of his policy and track-record and not because he cannot hold down a marriage.

Give it to them Mr. Rangel!! Republicans are blind to the damage that their party is doing to American values, economic, and the environment.

Hillary shouldn't be ashamed??? Really? Well I'm pretty ure she has embarrassed every other woman who has been cheated on. Hillary should have stood up for herself and not let her husband control her. If she does get elected I wonder which man she'll let run the presidency.

Sadly, this election will probably come down to Clinton and Giuliani. My vote will be wasted (again) because I won't be able to vote for who "I want" but rather use it to vote "against" someone, Clinton! GO HUCKABEE!

How many Presidents have been elected following a divorce? Answer: NONE! And Guliani's been through two. Face it the man's personal life is a mess. Eventually somebody (Republican or Democrat) was going to go to that well. That said, I think Rangel should have risen above the fray and left the personal attacks to the Republicans.

Rangle's comment maybe over the top: granted. However, at the same time, the reality of it all is in the fact of what he said. Rudy, if you guys remember, dropped out of the senatorial race in 2000 because by all accounts, Hillary, a first timer in seeking an elected office was going to walk all over him to victory, though he blamed his withdrawal on his health. Then, Boom! September 11 happened. I don't 'know in the USA, when going to some funerals of those (fire fighters) you did little to save by getting their equipments to work in unison, makes you a hero! Rudy is now an America mayor, or so the media likes to say, due to his roll in the killing of our innocent firemen! Have you ever wondered why the NY Fire Department are anti-Rudy?
This guy is not fit to be a council man of any american city, talkless of having the nomination of his party for the presidency. Reality is, if nominated, he will not win, as collectively, Americans are not stupid.

Contacted by CNN, Giuliani spokeswoman Maria Comella said, "This kind of ugly, personal attack isn't even worth a response."

I'll keep that in mind when Giuliani inevitably makes an ugly, personal attack. Politics is politics. Even though the number of times he's married is insignificant to me, Giuliani's going to need a better response to this pseudo-issue than "Responding is beneath me".

Seriously, I know that it is not Hillary's fault what her husband did while he was in office, but STILL, Can anything be said about someones marriage (Marriages) from the Democratic side?

Liberals constantly whine about how neo-cons "scare the hell out of them." What scares the hell out of me is the abortion-on-demand, dope smoking, merlot gulping, everything is George Bush's fault, pro-illegal alien, "give me a hand out," self-absorbed, self-centered liberals that are taking this country toward ruin.

That was very stupid on your part Hillary. Getting Charlie Rangel to say crap about Giuliani? What about your own checkered past? Just because Rudy was married 3 times doesn't mean anything. So he got tired of his 1st and 3nd wives. WHO CARES!! But you? YOU stayed with a man who has cheated on you at every opportunity he has had. And you say that "You forgive him and you love him" WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. You are only with that lowlife to benefit yourself. Admit it, your still with Slick Willy just for the election. Admit that if you weren't running for president that you would have kicked him to the curb a long time ago. Who cares if Giuliani has had 3 wives. YOU are the embarrasement here because YOU are still married to a man who has cheated on you time and time again. YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT TO ALL WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY. Here's some advice, before you open your mouth or look down on someone…REMEMBER your own national record of being a cheating husband supporter. THINK BEFORE YOU ACT. Throwing those blows are childish, especially if it attains to you as well. I'M A WOMAN AND I AM ASHAMED FOR ALL THE OTHER WOMEN IN AMERICA. HEAR THIS..DON'T VOTE FOR HILLARY JUST BECAUSE YOUR GLAD THAT WE HAVE A WOMAN CANDIDATE. YOU WOULD BE VOTING FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS. VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE NOT FOR SOMEONE WHO LIKES TO JUMP THE FENCE. WE NEED A STRONG PRESIDENT…AND HILLARY? YOU ARE NOT THAT PERSON.

Charlie Rangel, YOU ARE WRONG. I'm not voting for Rudy Giuliani and i still think you are wrong. It shouldn't matter how many times he was freaking married. AT LEAST he was married to these women and didn't SCREW around their backs. AT LEAST he had enough dignity to be with them and only them while he was married. What are you living in the old days or something? THIS ISN'T THE 1800′S ANYMORE! Where everyone thought it was wrong. We are living in the 21st century. EVERYBODY GET DIVORCED. What would you do if you didn't want to be with your wife anymore? Would you still stay with her if she disgusted you? I think not. I THINK YOU NEED TO LAY OFF THE DISCUSSION OF DIVORCE AND START TALKING ABOUT MORE IMPORTANT THINGS.

Yeah baby! Good for Charlie Rangel – some truth being told. Giuliani's personal life, with 3 different wives has given me some discomfort. He seems to have an undiscipled approach toward needing a woman next to him and the behaviour he showed in dumping his last wife and then marrying this new one was distasteful. Not the actions of a thoughtful, smart man. But actions of a lust-driven idiot. I also have concerns that this woman he married is a classic gold-digger. Don't doubt for one moment that she set her cap for this man – and he fell for it hook, line and sinker. I would NOT want this woman in such a powerful position as first lady next to the President. We have too much to put right and too much to lose to have a lust-driven fool and a gold-digger wife as the next President and first lady. God save us from such a terrible fate. We've already had 8 years of nonsense and idiocy. Please God we get someone with some intelligence in the White House for the next 4 – 8 years. Good for Charlie Rangel for telling the truth.

"The Clintons have so much mud in their past… Allegations of rape, embezzling, just to name a few."

Yea, allegations. And you know what? The republicans spent over $40 million of your tax dollars investigating, and came up with Monicagate. So when can we investigate Bush/Cheney for $40 million? Answer: never.

Charlie Rangel and the liberal 110th Congress is the embarrassment…

As a Democrat I'm really ashamed that one of my own is taking a page from the Karl Rove playbook, here. People can choose to judge Guiliani by his personal life, but they don't need prompting from his opponents. Besides, Rudy isn't really ready to run the country, and personal attacks just distract us from what really needs to be examined. Take Clarence Thomas for example – everyone was so focused on the harassment claims, the fact that he was a terrible choice for the job for reasons related to his legal philosophies was overlooked, and we've had to live with the consequences. I think Hillary is probably a mean person by nature, and it's starting to show in her campaign. Edwards seems like a good guy – why is he polling so low?

Rangel will do a Stark and appologize tomorrow!

So is it better to learn from your mistakes and try something different or is it better to keep with the same old lies?

Hillary voted twice with Bush (Iraq and now Iran). So is this about Giuliani or Gulability?

Rudy Giuliani’s entire basis for running for president is his tenure as mayor of New York. For starters, jumping from mayor to president is a huge leap, and I don’t think anyone has ever done it (if I’m wrong, apologies to whoever pulled it off). And today you have to wonder how America, embroiled in a dozen major international issues, can elect a mayor with no experience in national policy.
But even as mayor, Giuliani’s record is actually pretty weak. He picked a police chief who was mob-connected, and who is now headed for federal charges — tax fraud, bribery, taking money from the Mafia. He hired an unqualified crony for the NY Housing Development Corporation who later went to jail for child porn, and his key supporter in the Senate has been exposed using prostitutes both in Washington and Louisiana. Later he hired a child molester at his law firm. What on earth would happen if he were to pick a cabinet, when his first recommendation for the cabinet was the mob-cop guy?
His urban reconstruction effort displaced low-income families to make room for big corporations. He indulged in racial profiling, and angered big chunks of his community for his support of the NYPD during the aftermath of the Amadou Diallo shooting. He tried so often to restrict free speech against his opponents that he lost 35 lawsuits on that one issue alone — thirty-five! The Farmersville garbage scandal forced him to quit the 2000 Senate race, and his other scandals forced him to take himself out of consideration for the Homeland Security job (among other things, he had to annul his first marriage because he was found to have married his first cousin; he dumped his second wife via a press conference rather than break the news in person — he was having an affair with the woman who would become his third wife). And of course there was his lousy performance on and after 911, which we will address later.
Giuliani’s record as mayor is actually pretty bad, but that doesn’t stop him from claiming things he never actually did. In addition to claiming on scant evidence that he’s a terrorism expert, he claims credit for reducing crime in New York, which actually began during the tenure of his predecessor, Dinkins, because of Dinkins’ policies (and enhanced by Clinton‘s decision to fund additional police officers). He claimed credit to crafting the strategy for destroying the Mafia in New York, which was actually the work of Professor Bob Blakey at Cornell. He claimed he spent as much time at Ground Zero as the first responders; he later had to admit he lied. Giuliani also claims he knows more about foreign policy than McCain (Senate Armed Services Committee) or Biden (Foreign Relations Committee Chairman), but then he had to admit that he didn’t know North Korea was much further along than Iran in developing nuclear weapons!
One particularly galling whopper: Giuliani spend a ton of money on ads claiming he turned a deficit into a surplus in New York. Actually he left a bigger deficit than he started with, and it would have been bigger even if 911 hadn’t happened. The next mayor, Bloomberg, was forced take extraordinary measures to save the city from collapse. How did this happen? Giuliani indulged in the same brain-dead wishful thinking Bush has indulged in, passing irresponsible tax cuts, occasionally raiding pension funds for money (which experts called irresponsible); this means that if Rudy wins the White House we will have 4-8 more years of suicidal fiscal policies and more debt.
The Republicans seriously believe this guy is fit to be commander in chief. He and they must be stopped. We can’t have another four years of incompetent leadership.

Rudy’s entire reason for running — 911 — is a very shaky area for him, because his performance during the crisis was actually sloppy. Giuliani claims he has been a student of Islamic terrorism for 30 years, but he ignored the threat from Islamic extremists in New York even after the first WTC attack, and after 911 he had to ask Kissinger who bin Laden was. His decision to locate the Office of Emergency Management headquarters in a long-identified target for a terrorist attack at the World Trade Center damaged the city’s response — the center was of course wiped out. The diesel fuel tanks placed at 7 World Trade Center to power the command center actually caused the building to collapse and burn. Firefighters were using exactly the same kind of radios that failed after the 1993 WTC bombing: 343 firefighters didn’t hear the evacuation order and died in the towers; Giuliani later claimed falsely they heard the order but ignored it. Ten days after
911 he claimed the air was safe to breathe despite the presence of serious contaminants; he botched the air quality issue at Ground Zero even though he knew there was a safety problem, and firefighters lacked proper protective gear and were insufficiently protected against pollutants (contrariwise at the Pentagon the workers were properly equipped and no one got sick). After 911, turf wars, sweetheart deals and Giuliani’s personal projects impeded the handling of the crisis further. Victims’ families complain they were shut out of the process of designing the 911 memorial. By 2007 Giuliani had to limit his appearances in New York because of protest from victims’ families, police and firefighters. Relatives and firemen said they didn’t want Giuliani even to speak at the 911 ceremonies in September 2007, saying it would be a “disgrace”.
Let’s remember that Giuliani is a terrorism victim, not a terrorism expert — there’s a difference.
911 is his whole reason for running, and his handling of the crisis was lousy. The Republicans seriously believe he’s fit to take the White House. He and they must be stopped. Eight years of incompetence is all we can stand.

As the campaign picks up momentum, we are learning more about what kind of candidate — and president — Rudy will be. Just as he lies about his New York record, he lies about the 2008 race, claiming the Democrats will slash military budgets, impose socialism, and cause more people to die from terrorism. He hired the same smear team that crushed a black Senate candidate, Harold Ford, in the Tennessee Senate race by implying he had sex with a Playboy bunny (the same team that smeared McCain for Bush in South Carolina in 2000); so more lies and smears are sure to come. But his campaign is way behind the curve: he projected 100-125 million in campaign fundraising this year but as of July had only 33 — an ominous sign for a guy who as president must sign off on budget projections — and a key supporter is the Senator who was exposed as a customer of the DC Madam.
And that is before we get to his policies — he wants to ban late-term abortion, opposes same-sex marriage, supports school vouchers, supports torture, supports school prayer, supports putting the Ten Commandments in schools, and promises to appoint Scalia-like judges to the bench. We don’t, however, know where he stands on immigration because he has flipflopped all over the place. In fact we usually don’t know where he stand on anything — Republicans in Iowa already complain that Giuliani only talks about one issue, terrorism (and that he has a temper that is out of control).
After his tenure as mayor he did some rather striking things too: in addition to representing heavily-polluting coal plants and Big Tobacco, his firm represented Purdue Pharma when the drug maker was nailed for lying about Oxycontin; the federal prosecutor who was handling the case was threatened by the White House to back off the investigation, and when the lawyer said no, the White House, only days later, put him on the list of US attorneys to be fired.
A number of Republicans think he’s unfit for office. One might expect that from the far right, which has already rejected him because of abortion and his flipflops on some of their favorite issues. But even Al D’Amato – no reactionary – admitted that sponsoring Giuliani for a prosecutor job in New York was “the biggest mistake I ever made”.
Finally, my favorite Rudy quote: “Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.”
The Republicans seriously think he’s fit for the top job. He and they must be stopped.

John says: "Rudy was an average MAYOR at best. Why does anyone possibly think he is ready to be president??" I ask: Hillary was a longterm resident of Arkansas not New York, why would anyone think SHE should be president?

Mr. Rangel, it's not about the woman staying with her husband, it's about the rape and abuse of women by her husband and she standing by and letting it happen and than threatening those abused/raped women not to tell. Is that less "wrong" than Mr. Giuluiani marrying three times?

I guess I will try this again.

Which is more embarassing? Being married 3 times or being from the party who is stirring up problems with Turkey? The Democrats have no problems attempting to pass a resolution condemning the Turkish people for attrocities that happened when it was still part of the Ottoman Empire 80+ years ago. They have no problems doing this knowing full well that the the Turkish military is close to invading Northern Iraq which would destabilize what is currently a stable part of the country. Leave it to the Democrats to prove how much worse we could be with them running this war.

3 times is a bit much, I would have to agree with Rangel.

Giuliani embarrasses who 'us'? Democrats? Blacks? New Yorkers? Giluiani married three times: BAD! Bill Clinton cheated multiple times: GOOD! I guess Rangel is getting too old to reason rationally and should give up his seat or continue swishing in his own mess. Hey, Charlie, how come since the DEMS took over CONGRESS, nothing great is happening? Bush's ratings: 30%!!! Congres' ratings: 15%!!! Who is the bigger loser since the 2006 coup? Not you! You embarrass me, a New Yorker!

New York Rep. Charlie Rangel, a prominent supporter of Hillary Clinton, has made his fortune off the pretence of helping the black community. While Charlie is now a millionaire, the majority of his black constituents are worse off now than when Charlie first entered office 30 YEARS AGO. The black family, education, prison rates, poverty, all worse now because of Charlie’s continued calls for preferential treatment over equality. My heart aches for the black constituents in Charlie's district that are still waiting for the government to take care of them..

Rangel is a bigot.

Rep. Rangel is an example of why we need term limits. Arrogant, contemtuous, racist, and un-American.

Using his "service to his country" as his teflon, has it's limits. He has done NOTHING to help his own race, but call others racist.

There is a term called, "the loyal opposition". This refers to people who are in different political parties but can hang together for the overall good of the nation. Rep. Rangel CANNOT do this, and therefore relinquises his right to cast stones at Rudy, when he defends his good buddy Democrat Rep. Barney Frank, who has done much worse.

His arrogance and cheap shot capabilities are unmatched, excepts maybe by another New Yorker, Sen. Schumer.

Yes, he sure does.

Some of these responses are so typical of the republican hypocracy. I would like to respond to some:

RobertR, upstate: I hear you talking but you have no stones on Rangle. The issue is basic; if you quit on your wife and children (family) what will you do with the country. Loyalty is the issue. I was here in NY when his wife and children found out about the divorce on the news. Gulliani is dispicable and I know this first hand. Some of the undermined things he did and his level of greed and his socialist persona. You don't want him in the house!!!!!

To: Ray of Rochester; Here is a list of Bush's scandals. Eleven was not enough to top Bush and his term is not yet up:

1. Katrina
2. Federal Judge Scandal
3. FBI agent identity release
4. Iraq
5. Military spending (soilders care, charged for missing equipment, the food that never reaches the soilders from Cheneys company (Halliburton.
6. The fact that Cheney's company has the contract (Halliburton).
7. Fema
8. Trade Deficit
9. 911 and Usama Bin Ladans family
10. Bush National Guard Records, Non-service
11. Bogus Iraq-Niger Yellowcake Uranium Claims
12.

How funny is it to hear lib democrats talk crap on Rudy.

Liberal democrats who trash Rudy re-elected a known child molester (Gerry Studds) 6 times!!!

Liberal democrats who trash Rudy have continued to re-elect Ted Kennedy, who drove drunk, crashed and killed an innocent woman, and left the scene to go home and act as if it didn't happen.

I like this forum, it shows you first hand what type of people liberal democrats are. It shows you that if you are an honest, decent person that you are at odds with liberal democrats.

Hillary Clinton: The Poster Child For A Good Marriage?

I don't think so.

Victor in Philly,

I can tell you his accomplishment. He introduced a bill to bring back the draft. When it came time for a vote, he voted against his own bill! 2 funny!

Rangel didn't take a cheap shot at Giuliani and yes it's ugly but it's politics. Divorce doesn't make one a bad person nor does it make one a good candidate for marriage. Oh, but candidate for President that makes a lot of us eligible.

Like most long term incumbents,
Rangel is a walking billboard for term limits.

Rudy was an average MAYOR at best. Why does anyone possibly think he is ready to be president??

The same guy who wanted to reinstate draft is now crusading for Hillary Clinton?!

Oh, I've got it: Never mind she voted for the war, as long as she is not Divorced…

Since I had the first posting, but it was taken off…

Rangel takes a shot at Giuliani but at the same time takes a greater shot at Romney's faith.

Turn the tables here and if this was an ELECTED Republican politician making comments like this about a Jew or Allah forbid, a Muslims faith, the outcry would be immense.

Rangel is a notch below fellow race baiters Sharpton and Jackson, but he too is part of that privileged group that can say what they want and NEVER have to apologize.

Charley, I would pay to debate the issue with you as just like the other Clinton sheep, you are making this appear that it was a one time "problem" with Bill and Hillary, not the repeated "cheating and ignoring" that went on for political expedience ONLY.

Charlie Rangel is grabbing at straws. Apparently, his views are slanted when it is a matter of convenience. This sort of pedantry commentary by a professional politician is an embarrassment to democracy. If Charlie is embarrassed by the fact that his peer has been divorced before, he is clearly out of touch with today's society. I find this observation particularly damaging to Charlie's competency as a leader in politics.

CNN News Flash!!! CHARLIE RANGEL SETS NEW LOW! (Hillary must be so proud for him.) The Nobel committee may issue a special award for the depths a human will stoop to malign another!

I believe that Charlie was making a point that some conservatives attack the democrats on moral issues and how it's such a hypocracy that the same ones who are attacking are often the same ones lacking in morals.

Rangel Embarrasses Us. Didn't he make a big deal recently to try to have funds earmarked for a building named after HIMSELF?

Last time I checked Hillary never had an affair. Bill Clinton has outstanding numbers and could win re-election again today. Why do you waste time commenting on Bill Clinton when it is HILLARY running. Very few people will be fooled by your comments about what you think she might have done way back when. The more she talks to people the more they seem to like her and she isnt wasting her time making comments about who the republican contenders might be married to.

At this point what rangel had to say about Giuliani is just the tip of the iceberg should he become the nominee of the republican party. If you follow politics these comments should not have been a surpise to you.

I'm no fan of Rudy, but this marriage test to be President has to stop. The number of marriages and divorces is not a qualification for any office. He should come right out and say so and help put a stop to all this nonsense.

take a look at: comment Posted By Ray, Rochester : October 22, 2007 7:12 pm
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i ask myself how someone can spin all that information stated, so freakishly out of control…
the big difference between anything clinton-related……and the Bush years of misery and incompetence..is that: america was run by a prez with brains and communication skills who was respected throughout the world for sitting at the table and engaging in solid, substantive problem solving..
the bush years (as most people on planet earth know by now) have been plagued by nothing but horribly embarrassing and overwhelming incompetence, total lack of concern for the middle and lower income people,and and absolute braindeadness when it comes to tackling the global war on terror..Bush is destined to go down in ALL history books as the guy who came into office with bad news,and left with a trail of destruction and a world that was constantly amazed at how americans could not see this coming.
the problems "listed" in that post are NO different than the ones of just about EVERY presidency in history…
what makes Bush so God-aweful terrible is that on TOP of all the problems he's created (mostly when congress had been republican majority), he's going to leave behind such an abominable mess that the rest of the WORLD is gonna be stuck with..
oh, and how many people lost their lives when bill and monica were involved?…im pretty sure it was NONE.

Poster child for sleaze??
maaan, what planet do you live on..

Don't you just love the party of "family values". Rudy on wife #3, cheated on wife #2 with current wife, his kids have disowned him, dresses in drag, said he was pro-choice/pro-gay rights to get elected and now says the opposite. Repubs should go with Rudy and Larry Craig on the ticket, real family values.

In 2000, Republicans showed their hypocrisy by voting for chicken hawk W Bush over McCain, a war veteran and POW in the Republican primaries.

Watch them show they stand for nothing once again when the 3 time married adulterer Giuliani wins the Republican primaries.

They once rightfully asked the question with Clinton "If we can't trust him being faithful with his wife, how can we trust him to run the country". It's truly pitiful when they only hold their high standard to those they despise, while ignoring the standards of their own.

How many times has CNN's Larry King been married?

Charles Wilkins, Smithfield Pa :

Ha ha. So you think he just cheated on his wives once and married the paramour? ha ha ha.

When Rudy Giuliani first started the affair with his current wife, Judith Nathan, Donna Hanover, his then-wife was actually relieved because Giuliani stopped seeing the mistress Donna Hanover KNEW about — Cristyne Lategano. Little did she know he was just cheating on her (and the first mistress) with a different woman.

I would make a small wager that this third marraige will not last more than the usual 15 years for him and that another paramour will be involved in the dissolution.

Who elected this waste of space?? Oh…the same people who elected Hillary! All makes sense.Next this idiot will want to bring back the draft! oops…

Gee, Charlie, since we're on the topic of "marital relationships" – how about you sharing with us all how you feel about Hillary's husband being a sexual predator? Many MANY consentual affairs, 2 accusations of sexual harrassment, 1 accusation of rape.

How does that sit you with you, Mr $70,000 self-portrait?

Brilliant analysis – because Charlie Rangel represents all of us… when we get together and vote for black leaders

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Congressman Charlie Rangel has always been a big bag of wind. Does CNN know what he has accomplished? Having that piece of nothing talk about Rudy on your station is a double waste of time for me. I will no longer watch your station. I will no longer sympathize with black causes.

Posted By Victor Totaro Philadelphia, Pa. : October 23, 2007 10:46 am

Rangel is a fossil and should be returned to the tar pit where he was found.

Although I don't agree with what Rangel is doing, one must admit that Rudy has alot of personal problems. His own kids don't even like him and dont plan to vote for him, so why should we?

Reading the comments pro and con, it seems to me that Rudy Giuliana is a very polorizing candidate.

Well, Charlie Rangel did a very good job of breaking down Rudy. I think that he has hurt Rudy's chances somewhat which I think is good. Rudy was not a very good mayor and he would not make a very good president.

Posted By Karen,nj : October 22, 2007 6:48 pm

Too many people across the country never heard of Rudy before 9/11. And the only impression they got was of Rudy as "America's Mayor". I found that out first-hand last year when I moved to Texas. A co-worker was saying how much she liked Rudy, but when I told her about his multiple marriages, how he tried to move his then-mistress into Gracie Mansion along with his family, and the generally low opinion most New Yorkers had of Rudy prior to 9/11, she quickly changed her mins about Giuliani.

The rest of the country needs to learn the truth about Rudy Giuliani. But they refuse to listed to people like Charlie Rangel and the NY firefighters who know first-hand about how Rudy is in a crisis.

Like it or not, Rangel made a good point. Giuliani is a divorcee and an adulterer who has had three wives. Clinton stuck with her marriage even though her husband cheated on her. That says a lot about Clinton's moral character and Giuliani's lack of it.

If Guiliani wants to be the leader of the so-called "family values" party its about time he learned some. He cheated on his wife and is estranged from his son. Hes also a draft dodger while Rangel earned a Purple Heart and Bronze star. Its funny how the biggest proponents of the Iraq war are the chicken hawk republicans while war heroes like Rangel, Kerry, Murtha, Webb are trashed by the right because they don't support the war.

and the majority has it….Hillary and Rangel are two dirtbags…..

Speak for yourself, you pompus loser. Rudy has more guts and will than you will ever have. Remember folks this is the same guy that asked for over 100k in pork spending to have a painter paint a self-portrait of him. Good use of taxpayers money huh? Also in an interview this loser said he wanted to increase the tax bracket to 52%, get ready folks if a democrat becomes president to higher taxes and less individual rights.

Posted By Ryan Indianapolis : October 23, 2007 11:05 am

And which party controlled both the White House and Congress when they pushed through the PATRIOT Act? And which part was in power when government officials told Hurricane Katrina victims that they were to have their firearms confiscated? Right – the GOP.

So don't give us that old-tired crap about Democrats taing away individual rights. The GOP is the party of fascists. Democrats are for freedom, which is why I'm a life-long Democrat.

Rudy runs out on family when ever it gets tough , he doesn't know how to stay and work things out , NO MARRIAGE is perfect , but the ones that last are the ones that 2 adults stay and work on there problems , NOT run at the first sign of trouble. And for christsakes people even his children don't support him WAKE UP AMERICA !!

Victor Totaro Philadelphia, Pa

Give me a break. How foolish are you? Like black people think you're doing them a favor by "sympathizing with black causes". If one black person's opinion makes you change the view of the entire race, you never cared in the first place.

People are so lost and clueless.

So if a hispanic, Asian, or Indian person says something you don't agree with then you don't like any of them either huh? Talk about embarassing. And then we wonder why we [Americans] aren't respected as much as we should be.

My goodness…

And then the comments about him being "irrelevant". Do you know what committee he chairs in Congress? Arguably the most powerful-The Ways and Means… but in your view, he's "irrelevant". Do research before spewing nonsense.

Wallace

Charles Rangel is completely right on this. For a man who wants to lead the party of "Family Values" he really needs to get some. Not to mention he is a draft dodger while Charles Rangel earned both a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star. Its nice to see how badly our veterans are regarded by people like you. Would I be wrong to assume you are all chicken hawks too just like Giuliani?

Independent, your logic is failed as it was Rudy doing the cheating.

Speak for yourself, you pompus loser. Rudy has more guts and will than you will ever have. Remember folks this is the same guy that asked for over 100k in pork spending to have a painter paint a self-portrait of him. Good use of taxpayers money huh? Also in an interview this loser said he wanted to increase the tax bracket to 52%, get ready folks if a democrat becomes president to higher taxes and less individual rights.

He does have a point. I've been wondering this whole campaign how the right and Fox News can be so in love with a candidate who wears drag, has had 2 failed marraiges, and who's kids don't even plan on voting for him.

Isn't it obvious that Hillary stuck with Bill for political gain? Wouldn't a strong woman find a man who won't cheat on her, not just once, but multiple times? At least Rudy knew when to call it quits and didn't put up a front that he had a good marriage. What happens when Russia or China or Iran do something to negatively impact the U.S.? If Hillary were president would she roll over and take it submissively, as in the case with Bill? If we are basing someone's political ability on their marriages, then it seems that Rudy would be better suited to deal with a regime/person who has wronged us- Doubtful he would roll over and take it like your girl Hillary.

Rangel is just voicing the huge challenges Giuliani faces… the same challenges that are making the Religious Right abandon him and run after Romney.

Look at this guy trying to get in the news with his remarks. Sorry Chuck, but you are not too relevant. people may think you are, including yourself, but really you aren't.

Gimme a break Rangel. If that is all you can say about Giuliani then good for him. People who live in a glass house should not throw stones.

hmmm. noticed the mormon remark, so Rangel=bigot.

Congressman Charlie Rangel has always been a big bag of wind. Does CNN know what he has accomplished? Having that piece of nothing talk about Rudy on your station is a double waste of time for me. I will no longer watch your station. I will no longer sympathize with black causes.

oh please, Rangel!! you embarrass us! not just New Yorkers but your own party. You try and prioritze and pass funding through for buildings that will bear your name. conceited jerk.

This from a guy who fought to have the draft kicked back in??? RIGHT. Sorry Charley you’re about cooked. Also, I must ask what Charlie Rangel has actually accomplished for this country?

I still can't understand why Rusy Giuliani was considered the scum of the earth on September 10, 2001 and 24 hours later was elevated to sainthood. He did nothing that day that any other elected official would have done in his place. In fact, the rescue operations would have gone much faster (and fewer lives would have been lost) if Rudy hadn't insisted on locating the city's emergency command center in the World Trade Center (a known terrorist target – remember the 1993 bombing?) and ignored the advice of others and equipping the police and firefighters with radios that made it impossible for cops to talk to firement and vice versa. And he's made millions since 9/11 through speaking engagements and consulting. For Rudy, 9/11 has been a cash cow that has allowed him to reap money over the bodies of thousands of innocent Americans.

And that's why I could NEVER support him for any office in any way, shape, or form.

I think Giuliani's relationship woes are a HUGE black mark on his candidacy.
That said – I am a life long Democrat and I think staying in a sham marriage for political gain (i.e. Billary) is even more dispicable. She wants to appear strong and independant, but that just can't be the case when everyone knows that your husband has had lover after lover and publicly humiliated you time and again and you have stood by spinelessly.

What this man is really saying is "women should stand by their man regardless of what they do to her", then to top it off he just has to bring "God" into the speech.

What a total shovenist.

As an ex NY you are an embarrasment. You have accomplished nothing that is note worthy. Rudy put NYC back on the world map as a desirable place to live and to do business. Rangel is a loser.

Ha ha this is very striking it is almost a certainty that Gullian will lose this election. How can Hilliary Clinton look more moral than Rudy but she does because she stay committed to her vows last time i check bill and hill were still together. It makes you wonder what was so bad in rudys marrages for him to get a divorce three times! could it be worst than what hilliary went through? I doubt it!

i don't understand how Giuliani's personal marriage life correlates to his leadership. FDR, one of the greatest leaders of the United States engaged in affairs and his wife was his fifth cousin. These people are human and have flaws just like everyone else. If we are going to criticize, lets at least focus on what he plans to do to lead the country into the future.

What should she have to be ashamed of??… How about the fact that she has openly admitted to being with other women and having an open marriage!!!! I think that if she becomes president she would make it openly ok, to have gay marriage and other things that are morally wrong… Besides the fact, I think she is a nasty person… She brings shame to her state and shame to the country… She brigns so much shame that her own husband is not with her… He is out doing things for other countries.

I listened for years while President Clinton's marital affair/s and transgression/s were declared just that; Personal and not relevant to the management of the country. Same thing applies to Mr. Giuliani.
On the flip side, yes Mrs. Clinton "stayed the course" and "stuck it out through all the problems", much like President Bush is doing in Irag, although in his instance perseverance is not an attribute.

I completely agree with this! Our nation needs a leader that is respected enough that his or her spouse is someone that has been with them, stayed with them, in the good and the bad times. If we elect a leader that can not even keep 1 wife/husband then how are we to expect that he can lead a nation full of thousands of people. I think our nation not only needs a strong leader, but a respectable and MORAL leader, regardless of religious thoughts. It is time that we start acting together, acting right, and electing a leader that can't lead himself/herself's own family is just outright ridiculous!

There really isn't anything in Hillary's personal life that I've heard of that would be embarrassing. You can't blame her for the sins of her husband.

And Guliani does have many issues that voters will want to talk about. Doesn't really seem like a vicious attack to me. Just getting the ball rolling on what was inevitable anyway.

Guliani has more than just the multiple marriages to talk about to the people who might vote for him. How about marching in gay rights parades, having possible ties to the mafia in NY, and there's that cross dressing photo as well…

Does anyone else see the irony of comparing the Clinton marriage (aka. ripe with stories and lawsuits around infidelity) and comparing it to Giuliani's?

This is like a Poppy Seed grower lecturing a drug user.

Once again, common sense has flown the coop.

Rangel, You make a good congressman. People are listening to you.

A Hillary Clinton supporter is the last person who should criticize anyone about "family values." Hillary Clinton stood by while her husband had dozens of affairs with numerous women throughout her marriage. Hillary's message to women was to tolerate serial philandering as long as you can use the sympathy you receive from others to gain political office despite no achievements of your own.

If Rangel had his way, NYC would have been bankrupt a long time ago, crime would run rampant and we would be contemplating walling-off the city. (Like Escape from New York movie.)

I'm not a big fan of Giuliani. Ok, he did a good job in NYC as mayor, cleaning the place up, and after 9/11 showed real leadership. But it certainly doesn't need to be the cornerstone of his campaign. Look at what happened the last time 9/11 and fear was the basis of a presidential campaign.

But give the guy a break! He's been married three times, and is using calls from his wife as a gimmick on campaign stops (it's too obvious to not be staged..I wonder if it's even really her). But why should we care what he does in his personal life. How many presidents have we had that had mistresses, extra-marital affairs and the like? It'd probably be a shorter list to name those that didn't.

Ronald Reagan, the crown jewel of the Republican Pantheon of Presidents ™, was the only president thus far to have been married more than once. Nobody ever really said anything about that.

Instead of worrying so much about who did what with who in the bedroom, and when, why can't we just have a campaign that talks about the important things that matter…the issues facing this country that affect ALL of us!

It's important for the president to have good character, I will concede that point, but it's more important that he (or she) can do a good job!

The attacks come when your opponents realize that they can't do the job as well as you could, so they tear you down instead of building themselves up.

Monica……

Marital problems? What problems??
Its called an open marriage, even if Hillary chooses not to partake. Look it up please..

Or should we believe that the powerful and experienced Hillary was disillusioned about her own husband's affairs, with multiple women, for 20 years?

Their marriage is a big joke, it's for political purposes only, not a true marriage. Democrats lose more votes by believing/treating voter like they are stupid.

"This woman got married [and] stayed married [to] the same husband. When they had problems, she stuck with him."

Charlie's point about "Hillary the little wife" is valid. And its the only redeeming quality that I find in her, if its truely for love(gulp).
So we shall see..

In no way am I a republican or a republican supporter and while I normally like Charlie Rangel he really needs to shut up about this as it's not relevant and just makes him look bad.

I wonder what Rep. Rangel thinks of Bill Clinton? Dont deceive the public that you did not endorse HRC coz of favors from Bill. Do you Rep. Rangel also think Bill is a bad husband who should not be in the White House with HRC once she is elected. What double standards. Dont give us that BS that you endorsed HRC over Obama coz you think she is a better leader

So this is how it is in the CNN Political Tickler. When a Democrat makes bigoted and inflammatory comments about a Republican Presidential candidate, what do we hear? Crickets….. This Democrat just degraded an American because he has been divorced and remarried. He has moles on his skin and he even included a shot against the religious beliefs of another candidate. So, according to Charlie Rangel, if you are divorced and remarried, and have a skin blemish, or you belong to the "wrong" church, you should not be in public service. Gimme a break! If a Republican had made such outrageous comments, the rabid Bush-haters that often post in here would go ballistic. You people are pitiful hypocrites.

If Guliani wants to run on conservative family values, his personal life is fair game. Plus the fact that he's probably worn a dress more times than Hillary.

I don't like Rudy at all, but this kind of political trash talk is way off base. Rangel loses some credibility in my opinion by acting like a gossip reporter and mudslinging.

There's plenty of other reasons not to elect this 9-11 warmonger Giuliani other than his marriages.

Tell that loser that it is better to marry and divorce for your differences, then to marry and committ murder like some of these crazy people that have just had it with their spouse. STOP being ignorant.

I'd bet some long odds that Bill Clinton's affairs over the years add up to a whole lot more than six. Kinda of makes Giuliani and his spouses six marriges pale in comparison.

What about Hillary Clinton's cheating husband? That was embarrassing to every women in this country. You have allot of brass to look down on someone else with your national record of being a cheating husband supporter.

That's a hoot…. What about Hillary letting her husband cheat, cheat, cheat….if she had any self respect AND she wasn't motivated by politics, SHE WOULD HAVE DUMPED THE BUM, NOT TRIED TO MAKE HIM "FIRST GENTLEMAN!"

Since when democrats look into somebody else's bed life? I thought it is a flaw of republicans…

can someone plz criticize hime about something else. he got divorced so does about 55% of all other marriages do as well. will charles rangel plz remove the lips from mastas behind.

'Rengal Embarresses New York' for his IGNORANT WORDS OF BIGOTRY, implying that Mitt Romney is a polygamist because he is Mormon! That is an insult to Mormons in general. Shame on you Rangel!

More hypocracy from Rangel, surprise surprise. This guy has no shame. Sure, Guiliani has been married 3 times. Bet that Bill Clinton has had way more than 3 affairs. Hillary "stuck by him" because she realized that staying with Bill would get her elected. That seems obvious to everyone but Rangel and the rest of MoveOn.org.

Are you kidding me? A Clinton supporter bashing someone's personal life????? How absurd. Look at what Bill did, WHILE he was the President of our country! And if Hillary were such a strong woman, she would have kicked him to the curb. But, she stuck with a liar and cheater, and somehow people respect her for that? The Clintons, as we all know, have a record which is far from spotless, both in the public and private spheres of life. It always amazes me how the American people can elect bone-heads such as Mr. Rangel. It is not the former mayor of the great New York City who embarrasses us, it is all politicians in America, the Clintons, the Rangels, ect. who embarrass us. THINK BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR BIG HYPOCRITICAL MOUTH, MR RANGEL.

Hard to believe that "Christian" conservatives cannot find it admirable to forgive a person like Hillary did with her husband. They stayed together – isnt' that what marriage is about! Yet, they will end up having to vote for Guiliani – a adulterer, gay rights advocate who is pro abortion. Then the "Christian" conservatives will have no credibility left and be exposed for the political hacks and hypocrites that they are.

Please… Let's not get started with Mr. 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman'! Billary's personal life includes her husband lying under oath! But she stuck with him? They have basically been living seperate lives since the scandal! But someone is going to say she 'stuck with him'. Good for you Hillary… you idiot! The only part that actually entertains me about Hillary Clinton getting elected is having Bill named first lady.

Rangel is exactly right…there is nothing wrong with him discussing the GOP's hopeful's personal lifes up until this year the GOP slaughtered the Dem's about anything in their past personal life…but now that most everyone knows they are bunch of hypocrites they don't want to talk about anyones personal life..

Wait…is this the same guy who tacked on a million dollars to a childrens insurance bill (SCHIP) for a Woodstock museum?? And Giuliani is embarassing?? Give me a break…we don't take marriage or child rearing advice from the president….(at least we won't when Giuliani is elected next year) – Rangel and Clinton should both be slammed hard for adding an earmark to a childrens healthcare bill….two dirtbags….who showed their ability to overspend….(over 700 billion for Hillarys new "programs"….and counting (and liberals….before you do the classic "but we are spending billions in Iraq" – remember – Hillary voted for the war…and Rangel is funding the war….equally culpable)

Talk about family values. He had 3 wives, but what about Mrs. Clinton having a husband that was unloyal.

Idiot. You want to talk about moral ambiguity? Let's talk about the Clinton record…

His personal life should not be brought up…has nothing to do with his ability to lead.

If you look into this with any non-bias, he of course takes a swipe at Guiliani and at the same time mocks Mitt Romney and his faith.

Imagine if Romney were Jewish or allah forbid, a Muslim and this was a Republican POLITICIAN (not a yakmeister, but an elected politician) spewing such hate.

So Bill just strayed once, nope twice, keep going, three, four????????

Simple marital problems? So that is how repeated cheating on your wife and she is aware of it is being "spun"?

Sorry people, one time is without question forgivable, two times is unfathomable, three and four times is staying together for political expedience ONLY, not exactly a strong woman or strong character trait.

I would respect her so much more if she told him in front of the world, to take a hike after the THREE and FOUR times (that we know of) became public.

That would be a strong woman. Telling that lout off and standing on her own two feet, that would be a sign of "strength" and I would totally RESPECT her for that.

But gee, it was a one time fling wasn't it? Nah, don't think so.

NO PERSONAL ATTACKS!!!

The GOP took 'personal attacks' to a new level when they spent millions of taxpayers dollars and hired special prosecutor Ken Starr.

Yes, let's hold Guliani's personal life to the light. If he can't be held accountable for his personal actions, what can we expect of him if he is elected president.

Clinton politics at their finest.

That's not all there is.

It is a point bcos the same religious right hate Hillary for forgiving her husband but it is ok for a Rudy to marry his Cousin and two more.

Where does God stand here? If they are true to their faith, vote for mitt Romey. Or the gun carry Batist Pastor.

"ugly personal attack"? What a hypocrite. And I am sorry but Rangel is absolutely correct. How can conservative Republicans criticize Hillary for her marriage woes when she did exactly what they preach? She forgave her husband and stayed married unlike Giuliani who not only has been married three times but one of those times to his first cousin. Hillary has raised an intelligent and admirable daughter who remains very close to both her parents while Giuliani's children not only NOT support him but don't even speak to him. How is he an image for the conservative Republican base? What family values has this man displayed? I'm not a Hillary supporter but I do admire her faith towards her marriage and her perseverence despite the personal attacks.

Will someone ask Hillary what she means when she says she has a faith.
What and who does she beleive in explicitly? An answer "this is a private or personal matter" does not cut it with the American voters.
She used to acompany Bill to various churches as he waved with a Bible in his hand. Does Hillary beleive in the Bible?

Will someone ask the candidates "Have you ever had an abortion or had a partner who has had an abortion?"

I would like to hear an answer from Rudi and Hillary explicitly and specifically.

I think we as a society need to worry more about the budget and healthcare for the poor. I think marital issues are none of America's business. Its not applicable nor requested on a job application, and should not be applicable for a public office.

Giuliani spokeswoman Maria Comella said, "This kind of ugly, personal attack isn't even worth a response."
Really – Funny how he attacked Clinton when he was in Florida. I am not a Clinton fan but I am tired of the hypocrisy of this man.

Is it worse to have found 3 people to love and to have the guts to move on after the love has died or to stand by a man who repeatedly lies, decieves, cheats, walks all over you and makes a mockery of your marriage.

Well, I personally don't agree with attack politics. However, Giuliani started this with his personal attacks on Hillary and Bill Clinton. He's also trying to represent evangelicals, and that's just going to be hard to do when you've been married three times. He would do well toodtsy on his personal message and stop attacking Hillary. HILLARY '08

I thought the Republican Party was the party of family values. I suppose like everything else, only when it is convenient.

While Rangel's comments seem a bit insensitive, he has a good point that the President's personal life is under intense scrutiny by the entire planet.

I also hold it against Giuliani and his wife that together they have six marriages under their belts. Even more than that, I am disturbed by his relationship with his children.

I think the President should show fidelity and personal stability in his personal and familial relationships, because it does reflect something about their character.

Please.."she married one man and stayed married"..If Hillary Clinton would have divorced Bill Clinton instead of staying married for political gain she might have had a real chance at the White House but when it comes right down to it Hillary will not win, even with all the money in the world. Besides she tried to run the world once and failed.

Political tastelessness is well known.

However, Hillary standing by a louse like Bill is questionable since she had a career and money to fall back on. Other women are not so fortunate.

Personally, I won't vote for any of the candidates.

We have to look at ourselves as a society and a nation. Are we looking at the hard issues or at fluff? Who cares about a candidate's personal life? Everybody and I mean everybody has skeletons in their closet. No one is perfect. You'll never find a perfect person to run this country. Remember this. The United States is not a Democracy like most people believe we are. Our country is a Republic. Does our vote really count? If so then why do we have an Electoral College to elect our president?

RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I find it very offensive that this man is calling out Rudy Guiliani for his marital record while at the same time proposed to congress that the late James Brown be honored for his contributions to music and society. Isn't James Brown also a drug addict, ex-con wife beater? Tell me who the hypocrite really is. This guy is just another big mouthed moronic DAN.

Hillary was smart to stick with Bill. In the back of her mind she would never trust him again. When all is well again in America she will leave him. She is not stupid that is why she will win the presidency with Bill Richardson.

Bill Clinton cheated on Hillary multiple times, and she stayed with him. Strong women don't put up with that kind of garbage from their husbands. She can pretend to be for that "feminist" ideology- a strong woman president, but she's obviously trying to burn both sides of the candle.

For a leader of our great nation, what is worse? Do I want someone who will not stand up for themselves and settles, or do I want someone who has trouble finding a spouse they truly love? Marriage IS about love after all. Marriage ISN'T supposed to be about political connections.

So Rangel calls Hillarys union a Marriage? So, the extra activity Billy Boy has done in and out of the White House is not a embarrasment. Hillary is a joke and so is her charade marriage of convience. A real wife may have forgiven once but numerous times. Don't New York voters have more challenging issues that Rangel could put more effort into?

Americans as a people are not great examples to the world of marital skill or fidelity, but is that any way to judge a person's ability and capacity to be a good President?

Of our greatest Presidents, Washington, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, Wilson, and Truman were, as far as I recall from long-ago history classes, faithful husbands. However, F. Roosevelt, Kennedy, and Johnson were less than perfectly faithful, though they all left devoted children and devoted widows. Among recent presidents in the "good" husband category are Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush (the good one), and Bush (the other one). Reagan's marriages and difficulties with his chidren reminds me of Giuliani's family life. And, we all remember President Clinton's marital difficulties.

The faithful, monogamous, lifetime-long marriage is simply not possible or desirable for many of us, including many of our Presidents. So what? What quality of being a good spouse is necessary for being a good politician or statesman? What percentage of CEO's remain faithfully married for a lifetime? What about university presidents? Generals? Ministers? Novelists? Mayors? Not many, I suggest.

Of course, Rangel doesn't care how many times Giuliani has been married or how many of his own children now dislike him. He is just poking a stick at the ubiquitous Republican hypocrisy to see what crawls out.

Of the current crop of candidates, I'd be willing to bet the rent money that Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Romney, and Mr. Huckabee have been faithful, monogamous spouses. I would not, however, risk any cash betting on the chastity or fidelity of any of the others.

This from people who are supporting a woman who stayed w/ her husband after he cheated and publicly humiliated her. Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black?

I think Guiliani is a phony and is not even remotely qualified to serve as commander in chief or president. He was not a "hero" on 9/11 – he merely did what any responsible elected official would've done under similar circumstances. As for his multiple marriages, I don't think that those should be a factor in determining his suitability for office. Just as Mrs. Clinton's troubled marriage and her personal decision to stay in it should not be a factor in determining whether or not she is qualified to lead this nation.

I agree with you on Rudy, but what exactly do you mean by "especially if you're running against a Mormon"? I hope you weren't being derogatory about Mormons dude.

First and foremost, staying with a man who has continually cheated, makes the woman look weak. And, everyone knows that without the promise of power, Hillary would have been long gone. This is only going to hurt Hillary, not Guiliani. Dumb move!

Also, everyone be prepared for this garbage. Hill knows she can't be the one criticizing so she has someone else do it for her. God help us if this woman is elected.

I still wonder why dems would want to elect someone so polarizing when R's have basically said they will not work with her. Which means 4 years of nothing getting done. Why not choose a less polarizing person? 50% disapproval ratings are worse than Bill or George when elected.

I find it amazing that Charlie Rangel is showing such ignorance and bigotry toward the Mormons. He wants to get muddy and attack Guiliani, and then tries to slam him by saying that is problematic marriages is systematic of the people of the Mormon church. It looks like Charlie needs to spend some time with Mormons, then maybe he can become educated enough to cease making such bigoted statements. This really makes him appear as one who should not be controlling our country with his votes.

You've got to be kidding me. Rangel rambles on about Rudy and all he can say is Hillary is strong for sticking with Bill. The ONLY reason she stuck with her husband is he because she NEEDS him to become President. Seriously doubt they sleep in the same bed or have sex together.

Charlie,

Put a sock in it.

From townhall.com:
Sen. Jim DeMint (R.-S.C.) tried to persuade his fellow Senators to remove a project sponsored by New York Rep. Charles Rangel (D.) that would give $2 million in federal money to the Charles B. Rangel Center for Public Policy, the Rangel Conference Center, and the Charles Rangel Library at the City College of New York.

The "Monument to Me" c'mon Charlie.

She stayed with "Wild Bill" because she had a plan then and she has a plan NOW! She knew that if she gets into the White House it would be on HIS coat-tails!! So…. she NEEDED him ..and that's what she has and will continue to put up with his "behavior"!! There is NO love in that marriage Mr. Rangel…it's all for SHOW…just like everything they do…it ALWAYS serves a purpose…THEIR PURPOSE!!!

Well congrats on taking the first personal attack on the spouses. Hillary, yea she stuck with her loser husband, only because she would be nothing and go no where without the name. she's the fool that stays with someone after he cheats more than once, but wise for her political career. Her marriage is a shame. Again congrats, Rangel for putting your two cents in and operating the personal politics of destruction.

Classy, Hillary, classy.

And, tell us, WHY did you really 'stick by your man' as a self-proclaimed feminist? I think the answer is very clear, especially now.

She stayed married to "wild Bill" because she HAD a plan…and it would look bad if she left him…IF she gets into the White House…it will be on HIS coat-tails…she knew that then…she knows that NOW! There is no love in that marriage…it's a "look" she needed to keep….THAT'S WHY SHE STAYED WITH BILL !!

I'm no Rudy fan but who really cares how many times he's been married. His personal life is just that, PERSONAL! If Rangel cant come up with any better ammunition then he should just shut up! What a moron.

Thats a real low blow. Totally unnecessary. Him having 3 wives has nothing to do with him being an effective president or not.

Hillary has skeletons in her closet herself, and the Republicans are going to expose her dirt in 2008, little by litte. She is not the paragon of virtue she may pretend to be, which we'll all see soon enough.

I think that Giuliani's personal life shows that he is a man that will not settle for what is not right. George Bush will stick with what is wrong, like the war on Iraq, becauase he is stubborn. Giuliani is a man who is not afraid of change as long as he gets it right.

3 wives or not, he's running on the whole "TERROR" bit so I dont think people will really care how many times he was married. I just dont get why people support this guy anyway, the $9.11 fundrasing stunt was enough for me.

Just what Hillary needed. SAD!

At least Giuliani's wives weren't all at the same time like the mormon's did…

Clinton, Rangel & Democrats: talk about the pot calling the kettle black! They are beneath contempt.

It's amazing that people would even consider Giuliani for street sweeper with his reputation. How can any so called christian vote for such a man? Everyone makes mistakes but what Giuliani did is off the charts. There is one thing to commit adultery, but to live an adultureous lifestyle is totally unacceptable. It makes you almost vomit to look at the man. It's like staring at Satan. He is one of the most deceptive individuals I have ever seen.

Hey Charlie,
Anything to say about the Reverand Jesse? Didn't think so!

Her problem is that she stayed with Bill Clinton. If she couldn't stand up to her husband, how will she be able to run the country.

This is not only a personal attack on Giuliani, it’s an attack on everyone divorced person.

If these personnal attacks are allowed to continue then the most qualified will think twice before running for high office… what a big mistake.

Clinton is sharp and can handle herself. She really doesn't need help from Rangel or anyone else holding her own.

As a supporter of hers at this point in time, I would rather see the campaign stick to issues of substance, like the war and the building human and financial debt it is causing, than personal attacks. After all, he wasn't married to them at the same time, was he?

"Let he without sin…" In America, those folks seem harder and harder to find.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!. Rangel's turned into a cheap political hack plus makes Clinton's personal, legal
and other transgressions open to discussion and condemnation. How about those China town contributors who aren't registered to vote and have no known address, Charlie?

Until a candidate's personal life affects their performance in office, it should be off limits. Guess the "Coronation Group" is getting scared. Dispicable conduct from someone who should know better.

Does it really matter how many times Mr. Giuliani has been married? Did his marital status have any affect on his performance during the 9-11 attacks?

Ms. Clinton obviously hasn't been married three times. She just stayed married to a man that had an affair in front of the entire world while holding the most powerful office on the planet.She was wronged and from what we witnessed, did nothing about it. Is this the kind of leadership we want representing America?

Amen

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. At latest count, Rangel has 5 illegitimate children. Thanks for embarrassing yourself yet again Congressman. If "irresponsible personal life" was a term in the dictionary, your picture would be all anyone would need to know the definition. Rudy is a saint compared to this guy.

Suggesting divorced/remarried people are morally defected is a bit of a slippery slope in a country where the divorce rate is at 50%. Suggesting the Clinton's have a good marriage is a bit of a joke. Are you on drugs Mr. Rangel? I am a registered Democrat, and divorced, and cannot believe you would make such a stupid, irresponsible statement. Perhaps we should scrutinize your personal life and grade your morality. What might we find?

The Republican campaign machine and its many friends in the press will shout how distasteful this line of "attack" on Giuliani is. And it will be a big, hypocritical joke when they do, because as far as they are concerned the notion of "values" and "personal responsibility" can only be applied to Democrats, not themselves. The plain fact is that Giuliani has led a completely irresponsible personal life, and it is absolutely valid to argue that it speaks to his judgment and his "values".

I'm not sure what is particularly noble about sticking with a husband who has so publically humiliated you and defiled the office you now seek to hold. That is unless staying married to him is a political asset. A marriage of convenience for Hil vs. true love x3 for Rudy

Rudy is whining about ugly personal attacks? L.M.F.A.O.

Before the Dems start call anyone embarassing they may want to take a look what their acting irresponsibily in regards to Turkey may do to the situation in Iraq. One stupid act on their part could potentially require the re-routing of 70% of the supplies to our soliders but somehow a guy be being married 3 times is more embarrasing. But that is fantastic far left logic for yah…

But it's OK to do what slick Billy did when he was in the Oval Office. Way to go Rangel!!

I used to have respect for Charlie Rangel. NO MORE!

I think that politicians,wherever they may be should refrain from ugly personal attacks on their opponents.Even the prophets of the Torah,the Bible,and the Quran,who were catalysts for drastic global change had their shortcomings,which did not deter them from striving to make their mark.We ought to value one another,warts and all.

No wonder today's youth is disillusioned with American politics. Petty arguments like these just remind us of the futility of our representatives. Hillary Clinton is a big girl, she can take care of herself. I highly doubt that comments that simply pour salt on personal wounds really help her case. I think a candidate should try to win with some dignity for once and inspire a nation. Sticks and stones. Politicians need to grow up, because I am sick of hearing about marital disintegration. Thanks for reminding me that most of us will never be happy in our love lives if we follow the example of Rep. Rangel. And Hillary, I am sorry that you have supporters like these. If I were you, I would get the muzzle out.

Yes, we don't need an adulterer like Giuliani in the White House. What kind of example does that set. What kind of judgment, honesty, or ethics does this speak of?

Oh Wait. Bill Clinton is an adulterer. Should we put him back in the White House too? Hillary always says that with her you get two-for-one. NO THANKS. Neither Giuliani nor CLINTON should ever be in the White House.

Charlie Rangel is spot on. This stuff is relevant, and for a party that has consistently made "family values" one of the top planks in its platform, it is certainly fair game to bring it up. Giuliani's marital record, to the extent that he cannot form or manage productive, harmonious and long lasting relationships, can hardly be viewed as irrelevant.

Those of us who have long lived in New York know Rudy well–far better than those outside of New York–and warmth and stability of his personality (read: none) are hardly selling points. Frankly, while I commend his more liberal stance on some litmus test issues, and commend that he does seem able to make somewhat enlightened decisions for himself rather than merely towing the conservative right wing line when he is expected to, he does have a lot of emotional baggage–all on the record–that does and should give voters pause with respect to his temperamental suitability for the presidency. Personally, I don't think he has what it takes, but I am just one voter.

I think it's about time politicians on Capital Hill stop assessing the "morality" of the personal lives of our diplomats. When these people engage in slander, such as Mr. Rangel, it reduces their character to that of a child. Our current policies are what need to be reassessed; policies can be compared and analyzed, where an individual's personal life cannot.

My parents are two people, seven spouses. Maybe the Giulianis will run America like my parents raised 11 children- and mold us all of us into highly educated people with a good paycheck!

Go Rudy!!

The Clinton's situation is a marriage of political convienece. If the book written by a Secret Service Agent about the Clinton White House was correct, the Secret Service had to chase Hillary on her extra marital affairs as often as they did Bill. If you believe Hillary is a faithful wife, I got swamp land in Florida to sell you!

Obviously, Charlie Rangel is in lust for Rudy Giuliani.

I’m just going to say this in behalf of all LDS members (aka mormons latter day saints, members of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints.) we no longer practice or believe in plural marriage. We marry one wife or one husband just like everyone else.

I agree with the Clintons…why get a divorce…hell…when you can cheat on your wife all you want.

Hillary lived with Bill and tacitly condoned his affair when she stayed with him after he lied about it to the whole Nation. What does THAT say about her and her ability to make tough decisions in the face of adversity. I'm no fan of Rudy, but if it came down to the two he gets my vote. At least he had enough sense to get out of a bad relationship.

White Water scandals,
all the mistresses,
oral sex not being sex,
Hillary consulting psychics….
the Clintons embarass me!

So, basically, if I understand this, the honorable Representative Rangel just accused a candidate of not being "worthy" to be president because he hasn't been able to stay with one wife, when his support is for a lady who couldn't keep her husband's interest. Then, to make matters even worse, he shows his ignorance and bigotry by alluding to the fact that Mitt Romney's religion supports polygamy. Is this the type of support that Ms. Clinton really needs to win the presidency? I would have thought that a party that accuses republicans of bigotry would be above such mud-slinging. Is this a sign that they are weak, have no morals, or are just uninformed? None of these is a good reason.

Read below. this has nothing to do with this article but I wish something would be done to catch the crooks.

Billions over Baghdad
Between April 2003 and June 2004, $12 billion in U.S. currency—much of it belonging to the Iraqi people—was shipped from the Federal Reserve to Baghdad, where it was dispensed by the Coalition Provisional Authority. Some of the cash went to pay for projects and keep ministries afloat, but, incredibly, at least $9 billion has gone missing, unaccounted for, in a frenzy of mismanagement and greed. Following a trail that leads from a safe in one of Saddam's palaces to a house near San Diego, to a P.O. box in the Bahamas, the authors discover just how little anyone cared about how the money was handled

In addition, I'd argue that Bill "embarrassed" us more with his lying than Giuliani currently is with several divorces.

Rangel seems to be ignoring the fact that the Clintons have a record of infidelity in their marriage. While it was Bill that engaged in such activities, it suggests the same issues that Giuliani has dealt with. Maybe the Democrats should stop and think once in while.

Very true. Not to mention the fact that even Giuliani's own kids think he's a louse. You go, Rudy.

"You tell me what in her personal life is something she should be ashamed of, and I want to talk about it." How about her husband having sex with a plump 20-something intern in the Oval Office, then lying about it, getting impeached (but acquitted), and being disbarred as a result?

Out of all the problems I have with Giuliani, the fact that he's had 3 wives is not one of them. I'm glad the Democrats are raising substantive issues in this debate. Keep the childish, schoolground trash out of the presidential race.

Every time New York Rep.Charlie Rangel opens his mouth he is a complete embarassment to this country. We need term limits to get rid of this trash!

Pathetic – Hilary just lost one supporter.

That wasn't a carefully plotted, politically motivated swipe at the GOP frontrunner's support from the religious voters, was it. Not much!

It was to expected I suppose, but it leaves a sour taste regardless. A taste of the dirty tricks to come in the actual presidential race?

Seems to me the Clinton campaign might want to stay away from commenting on the marriages of other candidates. The Clinton's marriage hardly fits the picture of a normal loving marriage…..given her husbands extra-marital affairs and her apparent disregard for his activities, some say for her own political gain. Yeah she forgave him….how many times?

What can one expect from a member of a party whos most lionized president, FDR, married his own 5th cousin, over the fierce objections of his own mother, who then had a series of affairs? One thing Hillary Clinton and FDR have in common, is that they both have/had marriages of convenience.

All the POLLS say Hillary would kill Rudy…isn't this the message all the Media has been pounding us with! She's got a lock on the Women vote because they are so stupid that all that matters to a woman is her Gender! Not worried about being killed by terrorists…No I want a Woman for President!!!
The Bias Media which give us the Polls are worried and I've NOT MET ONE PERSON THAT IS VOTING FOR HILLARY!!
Plus I'm a Woman! Don't you just Love HONEST POLLS and NEWS REPORTING!
I'm not worried how many wife's or husband's some body had…I want to know I'm going to be Alive! Call me Crazy.

Don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house. Hillary is married to a guy who specializes in cigars… what a joke. Why don't you look at how someone stays with a guy like that. Do you want someone like that leading this country?

As the Republican voters proved their hypocrisy and voted for chicken hawk W Bush over POW war hero McCain in the 2000 primaries, watch them show their hypocrisy once again and vote for the womanizer Giuliani to represent them in the general election. If he wins, it’s further proof that Republicans stand for nothing.

This point is well made. Giuliani is a divorcee who has had three wives and committed adultery. Clinton stuck to fidelity and worked to make her marriage survive even though her husband cheated on her. That speaks volumes of Clinton's moral character and Giuliani's lack of it.

interesting response from maria comella…
so does that mean that when any of the GOP candidates "eventually get around" to being critical of some (supposedly) irrelevant marital issues with the Clintons, you'll come out and say the same thing- and point out just how ugly it is??

I doubt it..

Giuliani's personal life is embarrassing? How can people even think to vote for a woman whom has been cheated on by her husband in the public eye over and over again, yet stays with him. Is that the kind of moral judgement we are supposed to trust with our country?

Are you kidding me? Who doesn't have moles on their lives and who hasn't had embarrasments in their lives? You support a candidate who has stood by her man-a man who not only privately lied to her, but publicly lied to entire nation-under oath! If we start electing leaders based on their personal lives and their moles, your candidate would have scars as much as any other. Giuliani's moles seemed to have functioned perfectly during 9/11 when he lead this country as a Mayor through our most horrifying public and private ordeal. He's demonstrated leadership. I'm not sure what Clinton has demonstrated, but it certainly hasn't been leadership.

Someone who can not organize its own private life, who makes same bad personal decision three times over, can not be able to organize, lead and make right decisions for our nation and our country.

Everyone critizes everyone. This isn't a suprise. I know for a fact the Mr. Giuliani will not become President. Why? He's made mistakes. Alot of mistakes. I know I made alot of mistakes and I'm only 21.Mr. Giuliani is the type of person who changes sides due to polls. Like abortion. This abortion issue is really nonsense. People are still going to continue this method. Especially my peers. Mr. Giuliani switched sides on this issue I believe. So that makes him looks like a fool. How many Presidential Canidates switched sides on a so called 'Ímportant'issue? To my knowledge MOSTLY all of them. Like Mrs. Hillary.She was for the war in the sand box. Now she's against it. She says she will reduce troops, but I know for a fact that IF she is elected President, she will do no such thing. Why? Because the situation in Iraq is starting to turn around, LITTLE by LITTLE.She switched and I know for a fact that she commited some "Ëmbarrasing" things in her life time. As for Obama…I know nothing of him. If someone knows something about him, (Like , switching sides)then by all means, post.
In conclusion. No ONE is perfect. Period. We all have our flaws. People will always Stereo Type. That's the way of the world. I shall ask one question to my fellow Bloggers…
Are you Perfect?

Charlie, dear, you've got it wrong. It's you who is the embarrassment to all of us.

Why is stating the truth an "ugly, personal attack"? It's like when the Cheney's got upset about Kerry mentioning their daughter is a lesbian. This feigned outrage is so boring!

Finally!! Someone is going after this drag queen candidate, who loves to dress like Marilyn Monroe. If you thought Bill Clinton was a sex freak, this guy is XXX to the max…

Hopefully, this will open people's eyes and they can see that Mike Huckabee is the right one… Go Mike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Typical liberal double standard if you ask me. It's alright for her husband to be unfaithful while in the Oval Office, it's alright for the two of them to break the law and hide behind it, but it's not alright for Guiliani to have personal difficulties in his life. Not that I condone his divorces..

So the Clintons are the "moral" example here? Oh, puh-leeze! Old Slick Willie has rammed his stiff johnson into more women than Giuliani has shaken hands with, and Hillary has been an enabler for decades.

Just charming, they are.

At least divorce was an option, not just some cigar girl, playing games.Why are we picking on him ? I am sure Hillary had her own "cigar".

With all the disgusting comments going on from the Giuliani people, I say, "ya" stick him a good one below the belt. Why in the WORLD would Giuliani be condemning H. Clinton with everything that is coming out of her mouth?????? She did not divorce her husband-she loves Bill–why did he have a weird "oral" affair in the White House, because he stated, "he could." Ego's, presidents, a bit too many ladies liking Bill as the President, and you have a set up for an affair.
All the Republicans should argue with each other and leave the Democrats alone and vice versa.
He said, she said crap is stupid (an one of these people is going to be out Commander and Chief………….

I'm sorry…I thought I heard a democrat taking about morality…somebody wake me up!!!

What's next are they going to condemn abortion and homosexual marriage? the madness…..:))

Rangel must think Guilani is the most formidable candidate.

"This kind of ugly, personal attack isn't even worth a response."

Giuliani doesn't want to talk about his skeletons.

"Two people, six spouses. It's a little complicated if you're not religious, especially if you're running against a Mormon.."

I don't know Rep. Rangel but I am offended (as a mormon) that he would imply that Mitt Romney is a polygamist because he is Mormon! I don't know that Romney is best for our country but I will say that he is not a polygamist! Mormons have not practiced polygamy for over 100 years. RANGEL IS AN IGNORANT BIGOT! His comment was not funny or intelligent and should be held along the terms of racism! Hillary should be ashamed to be endorsed by him. He obviously just wanted attention but he should have thought before he spoke!!

This is just a ploy to persuade Republicans to vote for someone else. They don't like Rudy's chances so they attack the frontrunner in hopes that a less centrist candidate wins the nomination. I'm not a Rudy fan, but come on… a Hilary supporter is going to open the Pandora's box of attacking someone's marriage history?

Also I'm insulted as a Mormon myself that he would say something like that. We got rid of polygamy over 100 years ago! How can you still be ignorant to that fact! Study a bit of history before you open your ignorant mouth. Romney, a mormon, is the only frontrunning republican that's only been married to one woman.

Since the dems arer moral less, Charlie aims his attack at independent and republican voters. Usually an effective attack, except when matched up against the immorality of HillBillary..

Mr. Rangel,

If I someone said it gets "complicated because of the color of your skin" it would be an national issue and a horrible, wrong thing to say. SO why do say that about someones religion? It's not even true. Does that make you a liar or just misinformed? You are a sorry representative of this great country.

good grief Charlie, don't you have something better to do with your time? So sad he once again can;t argue policy – after 19 terms this is what he has been reduced to. He should have retired when he said he would. As for Hillary, it's quite shameful she didn't leave that bum. She wasn't strong enough to leave him after he continually embarrassed her, but she's strong enough to run the country? Come on folks wise up. She hasn't run anything in her whole life…we can do much better than her!

>>>"This kind of ugly, personal attack isn't even worth a response."

In other words, they HAVE no response b/c nothing they can say make it any less true.

I align myself with the Congressman, as a NYer, Rudy is an utter embarrassment. As if his one issue campaign on 9/11 wasn't horrible enough, he has (and always had) serious character flaws.

The scandal surrounding Rudy's divorce of his SECOND wife was a HOT one in NY.

"""""…the settlement called for Giuliani to pay Hanover "more than $6.8 million plus all of her litigation expenses and legal fees."

The marriage began falling apart during Giuliani's first term as mayor.

Giuliani, 58, had filed for divorce in October 2000, accusing Hanover, a television personality and sometime actress, of cruel and inhuman treatment. Hanover, in her own filing last month, blamed the ex-mayor's "open and notorious adultery" for the split.

Giuliani has acknowledged having a romance with Judith Nathan.

Hanover, 52, also accused Giuliani of an affair with a former staffer, Christyne Lategano-Nicholas. She and Giuliani have denied the allegation."""""

and

"""""Hanover's lawyer, Helene Brezinsky, said her client rejected the grounds on which Giuliani's divorce was based.

"If there's going to be a divorce, let's have the truth about why — Rudy's open and notorious adultery," she said.

Giuliani spokeswoman Sunny Mindel replied: "There is no purpose in responding to this mudslinging." """""

No purpose in responding? Sounds awfully similar to "This kind of ugly, personal attack isn't even worth a response."

Well, Rudy. You are running for PRESIDENT. You have no choice but respond to these issues that show your true character.

Links here, here, and here.

What do I care about his personal life. I didn't care when Bill Clinton had an affair with an intern.

Charlie, the only embarassment is you, being a leader of our nation and making derogatory remarks about someone's religion. Maybe you should read your history books, because that is not what this country is about. Stupid.

People in glass houses…

Hillary Clinton/surrogates are the last people who should make judgements on someone elses marital issues.

Good Grief.

thank you

Rep. Rangel is right that Sen. Clinton's marriage problems were not her fault, which I don't think Mayor Giuliani can honestly say. But when did Rep. Rangel ever speak about against Pres. Clinton's numerous adulterous activities, especially the ones that occurred in the Oval Office itself? Whatever the Mayor did to mess up his previous marriages, it can not compare to Pres. Clinton's well documented escapades, so where was your condemnation when it mattered before? To criticize someone who has a different political position yet stand silently when your political friend does even worse is gutless hypocrisy.

Staying by her man though he cheated on her constantly doesn't really say much for Hillary. She obviously has thought it in "her" best interest to hang in there with Bill. I don't think it was her deep abiding love for the man. They are both miserable role models and representatives of the baby boomer generation. Bring on Guiliani. At least he is honest with his shortcomings. And if you can't go for the Republican, then bring on Obama. The Clinton's need to be put to pasture. This country can't deal with another 4-8 years of division.

Rangel's criticism of Rudy is perfectly valid. If a man can't manage his own life how can he manage a nation? But he does not know Mormon history — they abolished polygamy in 1895. I'm not a Mormon, but fair's fair.
Bush has made me a Democrat; and I have been married to the same womon for 60 years.

Yeah. The Guiliani spokesperson doesn't have a comment, because the comment is true. Nothing to refute.

As a Democrat, I find the whole effort by the Republican candidates to fall all over each other to be the most radical right candidate, a joke. Most Americans are not radical right, and it seems foolish to think this sliver of the U.S. population is going to get a candidate elected. Most people are not homophobes, anti-choice, radically anti-immigration and against (how can you be against this?) national health care.

That's why we have things like divorce, and why we are human (we make mistakes and hopefully correct them with experience). Why should we be ashamed of these laws and means that are there to make us happier? We're not some fake, pathetically perfect, unbearable god.

The republicans are genuine hypocrites. They abuse/misuse religion for their narrow political interests. The American people should be smart enough to recognize their deception.

Rep. Rangel's not one to talk. This loony-toon spent $64,500 of taxpayers money on a self-portrait painting for his office. Rangel should act on his righteous words and correct his baffling, wasteful actions before he condemns others.

Another bad(bias)heading from CNN. Candidiates cannot be held reliable for what their supporters say every time. Although I do not support Hillary Clinton's campaign and I will never vote for her, she should not be bashed or criticized for what a supporter says. The heading should have said something like Congressman Rangel attacks Guiliani or something like that. With the heading including Clinton, it makes it sound like Hillary is supporting, if not behind, the comments the Congressman makes. Now, I would not put it past Hillary to persuade or ask Rangel to criticize her chief rival for the Presidency, if she won the Democratic nomination. Anyway, Hillary cannot be held accountable for every supporters' comments. The same goes for any other candidate, Republican or Democrat.

Ron Paul 08′

Personal character does matter to be a president or leader of a country (especially when that polician yet to be elected). His/her persoanl values and character would affect his/her political decisions, not to mention that represents a bad role model to children, women and men.

The republicans are supposed to be conservatives emphasing family values. Some top replican candidates (giuliani, thompson and mccain) all have multiples marriages.

It appears that Giuliani is the worst: married 3 times (once to his cousin), with his son not supporting him in the election campaign and daughter supporting obama. If people close to him does not like him, how can he expect the voters not close to him to vote for him?

To know him is to hate him.

Wow. I had hoped we wouldn't see such childish negative campaigning so early in the season.

I think this alone is a reason to not vote Hilary…acting like a third grader on the play ground:

"You're the butthead!"
"No, YOU're the butthead!"

Yeah…not exactly a productive discourse on the evolution and enhancement of our society.

Its refreshing to hear level headed comments from people with some authority. Any regular citizen and the attack dogs would have been sicked with vengence. republican spin machine is so thick and constance its hard to clean up after them.

Rangel; Is that the best you can do? Can't find anything with Gs political record you have to launch personal aattacks? Maybe it's because you know the Clinton's personal life makes Lohan and Spears look like angels!

I couldn't agree more. Everyone rips Hillary for her marriage to Bill. I believe that no matter what they love each other. She did the most Christian thing by forgiving him. Or did the right wing conservatives forget that part of Christianity. They have raised a wonderful child and continue to do more for this country than Guliani or any of his ex-wives.

What's happening here is obvious. The clinton people are trying to make sure they don't have to face Rudy if she is nominated. First they send out Vilsack to bring up Rudy's personal stuff. Then they run that ad with HIllary in a mask to attack Rudy on the 9/11 issue. Then they bring out Mark Penn to say that they have already beaten Guilliani based on pollster undermine his electability claims. Then they have Rangel out there beating on his personal stuff.

What this shows is how worried the Clintons are about Giulliani. They know that with his moderate views on social issues, he could play in blue states…especially against Hillary who will not appeal to independents and who may have a lack of enthusiasm with her base because of her prowar positions. They are trying to take down Giulliani now because they are scared of him in the general, regardless of their bravado to the contrary.

The republicans are so against hillary they are actually thinking of noniminating someone who could take the center away from even the triangulating clintons. HIllary is tipping her hand about her general election weakness against rudy and this is why we democrats need to be smart and nominate someone other than her. She has a very good chance of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. If we nominate someone other than Hillary, we will win next year. I know it would feel good to have our polarizing political family replace their polarizing political family, but why do we want to take that risk? Remember who lost congress in 1994 – the clintons. What's good for BIll and Hillary is not what is good for the democratic party or the progressive agenda we need to put forward.

Please, the only reason Hilary stayed married to her husband was because he was president and his name gives her an edge in the presidential race. From the tales I have heard, had he not been the president she would have given him the boot a long time ago.
Don't give me all this bunk about you and her for that matter being all up standing and angelic. On Capital Hill every politician is in bed with someone else be it a actual physical body or a special interest group that has bought them off. Politicians are corrupt and no longer represent the voice of main stream America. They all are power hungry and swayed by whatever group can guarantee them another term and more power in office! No one is believable, republican or democrat. They say what they think will get them into office, never intending to deliver on their promises.

It is ignorant of Rep. Rangel to insinuate that Mr. Romney, by virtue of his Mormon religion, has been married more than once. Mr. Rangel should do his homework before launching uneducated insults. If this is the type of support that Mrs. Clinton garners, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Ouch! Go Charles Rangel. It's is a shame that people only see Guiliani as the "I'll save you all from the evil terrorists!" candidate, when in reality he is a sleazy man who associates with other sleazy individuals like Bernard Kerik for instance. And, his being married three times tells me he might not be as stable an individual as he portrays for the cameras. I wouldn't trust him.

Rudy is an embarresment..no doubt bout it

If he can't committ to a marriage, how is he going to committ to the American people? Will he want a divorce from the presidency also when times get rough? Or will he stick it out?

Mitt and Rudy are such hypocrites. You Republicans who support them are hypocrites as well. What happened to family values and following God's word. At least Hillary has faith, and the personal strength to be with someone she loves even through hard times. It's a determinant of her strength, faith and character, and I'm glad to be voting for her in 2008!

And just what does a person's marital history have to do with their ability to lead?

Sounds like Charlie Rangel is looking for something to attack Giuliani on.

This coming from a man who violated house ethics rules in 2002 for a trip to Cuba. But yet he is concerned about Rudy's marriages.

Talk about desperate for material to take a shot at Rudy for.

Since when was Charlie Rangel anointed as an authority on marriage???

You do ugly well Mr. chairman of Ways and Means. How about a budget? Or does poor legistlation like the Armenian resolution thrill you. Are Democrats happy with not punishing this administration for changing WMD data taking only Scooter Libby as a sacrificial lamb. You deserve your approval rating.

you got it right sir. Hillary has been marred only once, i have never had anything immoral about her. Those people who mock her, do so because she is smart. The woman is just lovable. I cant wait January 20th 2009. Go on baby.

At least Giuliani has the decency to marry his mistresses, unlike Bill Clinton who throws them to the wolves if they ever surface to embarrass him. As for Hillary, what kind of a woman would let her husband treat her like a door-mat over and over (and over and over) again? Is her political ambition that much greater than her dignity and self-respect? If Rangel wants to help Hillary, he should remember the relationship between stones and glass houses.

And Republicans are the ones who oppose gay marriage. Give me a break with this one man one woman BS!

hahahahaha quick change the topic Rudy!

Mr. Rangel does both Giuliani and Clinton a disservice with this junk. I'm a middle of the road guy who might vote for Hillary if she's the only alternative to the far right. However, this nonsense from Rangel is the kind of idiotic shooting from the hip that feeds the right's hysteria. Is this the best he can come up with?

Oh, but a blue dress in the oval office
is okay???? Better get on another
topic buddy, at least he knew when to
say enough, pun.

One of, if not THE most EMBARASSING of all black leaders (puppet figure heads that ambulance chase the 'cause' of the day for the photo op) trying to pin that label on a respected (and feared by extremists on a global basis)and proven leader takes, well …. EMBARASSING HOT AIR…………..

It is not only worth a response it deserves an AMEN!

I am a conservative. I am a values voter and Giuliani is not on my radar.

If Hillary doesn't immediately disavow this idiot's comments, she deserves EVERYTHING the "vast right wing conspiracy" throws at her.

Someone should take a look into Charlie's closet. I'm sure there are quite a few interesting things hanging around.

This is why the Dems will lose again in 2008. Their party is populated with morons like Charlie.

Look for his "It was taken out of context…I was misquoted" line any moment.

Sorry Charlie…a horse's rear is a horse's rear. And you are one big one.

Rangel's comment is so inappropriate I can't believe he's not being criticized for saying it. Leave Giuliani and his wives alone. Divorce doesn't make one a bad person.

Wow I thought all this time it was the Republicans who cherished the institution of marriage. It makes me laugh so hard when I hear conservatives criticize Hillary for making her marriage work. Say what you will about Hillary, but it takes tremendous courage and class to be humiliated on a world stage and remain publicly unfazed by it.

I think Chuck Rangel is right and appropriate in his criticism of Giuliani.

Anyone who would choose to be divorced more than once seeking the highest office in the land should be subject to more scrutiny. When the going gets tough you can't divorce America. You have to figure out how to make it work. Giuliani needs to realize this and realize it FAST.

HILLARY 2008

Bunch of dumbasses are going to make posts about how this is a "calculated move" that exploits this and that. But deep in your hearts, all of you have to admit that this is some pro-politics. It is political art and honest passion. Its the way things should be managed.

Sick 'em I think Dems should be very careful about sending out the attack hounds on personal matters. Those kinds of things get as much blowback as anything–didn't the Petraeus/Betray Us debacle teach us anything?

At least Rudy married the women he slept with. Can't say the same in the Clinton family. Get a life. You're barking up the wrong tree if you want to talk moral values……. Talk about things the average family wants hear, like taxes, homeland security, social security, etc…….

Rangel has a lot of nerve. Has he been living under a rock for that last 20 years? The Clintons have so much mud in their past (more than all the other candidates combined!) it's not the least bit funny. Allegations of rape, embezzling, just to name a few. When did the sex lives and marital status of Congress become important all of a sudden? When Slick Willy was caught with his zipper down in the Oval Office, Democrats said that his private life wasn't any indication of his leadership qualities. So, why now do we have Rangel calling Giuliani out? Glass houses….. he's opening a can worms and I'm not even a Giuliani supporter!

I could care less about Rudy's many wives or harem or whatever. But I DO care that he's a stupid opportunist who supports the failed policies, corruption and cronyism of the past seven years.

Ok, I'm a huge Hillary supporter but is this guy serious? This type of attack is hitting way below the belt. Who cares if the guy has been divorced. I'm far more concerned with the fact that the neocons who put Bush into office are now rallying to Giuliani's camp. That's something that America should know more about because personally, it scares the hell out of me.

I don't think Rangel should judge because one of his own party, Barney Frank, had plenty of questionable personal behavoir and he's STILL IN OFFICE.

This is a cheap shot by Rangel that embarrasses me to be a Democrat. It's bad enough that the Republicans deem it necessary to drag personal issues into the mainstream of politics. We should rise above that 100%.

Well, Charlie Rangel did a very good job of breaking down Rudy. I think that he has hurt Rudy's chances somewhat which I think is good. Rudy was not a very good mayor and he would not make a very good president.