Comments on: Rangel: Giuliani 'embarrasses us'

By: Joyce

Joyce — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:30:47 +0000

Giuliani is frightening more than embarassing-- at a recent speech he said that Democrats are stupid for considering diplomatic talks with the heads of middle eastern countries, and that "you can't treat those people like human beings- you have to ostracize them." He also called for more "aggressive questioning" (i.e. torture), and used the word "terror" every third word. Are we really going to allow our fear of terrorism lead this country into another 4 or, god forbid, 8 years of "1984"?? Whatever happened to the America where we respected human rights and civil liberties? I want a world where our phones aren't tapped, we don't go to war to support oil moguls, global warming is acknowledged, cronyism is a bad memory, and the U.S. stops alienating the rest of the world. Please realize the danger before it is too late and DO NOT let Rudy Giuliani become our next president.

By: Cliff Richmond, VA

Cliff Richmond, VA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:20:51 +0000

Rangell has a lot of nerve.

His own party has a drunkard murderer and a homo pimp.

Surprise! they're both from Taxatusetts

By: Kevin, Ft. Thomas, KY

Kevin, Ft. Thomas, KY — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:01:46 +0000

Regardless of party politics and which party has more sexual or moral indiscretion, I am just a staunch believer in keeping one's personal life out of politics. FDR's wife was possibly a lesbian, JFK was allegedly sleeping with numerous women including Marilyn Monroe, Abraham Lincoln's sexuality has been called into question but at the end of the day, they are three of our greatest presidents of all time and their personal life has no bearing on that. That being said, Giuliani would be a terrible president because of his policy and track-record and not because he cannot hold down a marriage.

By: Nataki A. , Wash., DC

Nataki A. , Wash., DC — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:39:51 +0000

Give it to them Mr. Rangel!! Republicans are blind to the damage that their party is doing to American values, economic, and the environment.

By: Carla, MI

Carla, MI — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:08:54 +0000

Hillary shouldn't be ashamed??? Really? Well I'm pretty ure she has embarrassed every other woman who has been cheated on. Hillary should have stood up for herself and not let her husband control her. If she does get elected I wonder which man she'll let run the presidency.

By: Jeff, Sioux Falls, SD

Jeff, Sioux Falls, SD — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:38:26 +0000

Sadly, this election will probably come down to Clinton and Giuliani. My vote will be wasted (again) because I won't be able to vote for who "I want" but rather use it to vote "against" someone, Clinton! GO HUCKABEE!

By: Steve Mantua, NJ

Steve Mantua, NJ — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:05:49 +0000

How many Presidents have been elected following a divorce? Answer: NONE! And Guliani's been through two. Face it the man's personal life is a mess. Eventually somebody (Republican or Democrat) was going to go to that well. That said, I think Rangel should have risen above the fray and left the personal attacks to the Republicans.

By: Kenny, Sacramento, CA

Kenny, Sacramento, CA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:30:31 +0000

Rangle's comment maybe over the top: granted. However, at the same time, the reality of it all is in the fact of what he said. Rudy, if you guys remember, dropped out of the senatorial race in 2000 because by all accounts, Hillary, a first timer in seeking an elected office was going to walk all over him to victory, though he blamed his withdrawal on his health. Then, Boom! September 11 happened. I don't 'know in the USA, when going to some funerals of those (fire fighters) you did little to save by getting their equipments to work in unison, makes you a hero! Rudy is now an America mayor, or so the media likes to say, due to his roll in the killing of our innocent firemen! Have you ever wondered why the NY Fire Department are anti-Rudy?
This guy is not fit to be a council man of any american city, talkless of having the nomination of his party for the presidency. Reality is, if nominated, he will not win, as collectively, Americans are not stupid.

By: Max, Boston, MA

Max, Boston, MA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:33:05 +0000

Contacted by CNN, Giuliani spokeswoman Maria Comella said, "This kind of ugly, personal attack isn't even worth a response." I'll keep that in mind when Giuliani inevitably makes an ugly, personal attack. Politics is politics. Even though the number of times he's married is insignificant to me, Giuliani's going to need a better response to this pseudo-issue than "Responding is beneath me".

By: D Paris, Bloomington, IL

D Paris, Bloomington, IL — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:01:45 +0000

Seriously, I know that it is not Hillary's fault what her husband did while he was in office, but STILL, Can anything be said about someones marriage (Marriages) from the Democratic side?

By: M Frost, Atlanta GA

M Frost, Atlanta GA — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:30:18 +0000

Liberals constantly whine about how neo-cons "scare the hell out of them." What scares the hell out of me is the abortion-on-demand, dope smoking, merlot gulping, everything is George Bush's fault, pro-illegal alien, "give me a hand out," self-absorbed, self-centered liberals that are taking this country toward ruin.

By: J.Strong, Pleasanton, Tx

J.Strong, Pleasanton, Tx — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:10:21 +0000

That was very stupid on your part Hillary. Getting Charlie Rangel to say crap about Giuliani? What about your own checkered past? Just because Rudy was married 3 times doesn't mean anything. So he got tired of his 1st and 3nd wives. WHO CARES!! But you? YOU stayed with a man who has cheated on you at every opportunity he has had. And you say that "You forgive him and you love him" WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. You are only with that lowlife to benefit yourself. Admit it, your still with Slick Willy just for the election. Admit that if you weren't running for president that you would have kicked him to the curb a long time ago. Who cares if Giuliani has had 3 wives. YOU are the embarrasement here because YOU are still married to a man who has cheated on you time and time again. YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT TO ALL WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY. Here's some advice, before you open your mouth or look down on someone...REMEMBER your own national record of being a cheating husband supporter. THINK BEFORE YOU ACT. Throwing those blows are childish, especially if it attains to you as well. I'M A WOMAN AND I AM ASHAMED FOR ALL THE OTHER WOMEN IN AMERICA. HEAR THIS..DON'T VOTE FOR HILLARY JUST BECAUSE YOUR GLAD THAT WE HAVE A WOMAN CANDIDATE. YOU WOULD BE VOTING FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS. VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE NOT FOR SOMEONE WHO LIKES TO JUMP THE FENCE. WE NEED A STRONG PRESIDENT...AND HILLARY? YOU ARE NOT THAT PERSON.

By: Jessica-San Antonio, Tx

Jessica-San Antonio, Tx — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:02:08 +0000

Charlie Rangel, YOU ARE WRONG. I'm not voting for Rudy Giuliani and i still think you are wrong. It shouldn't matter how many times he was freaking married. AT LEAST he was married to these women and didn't SCREW around their backs. AT LEAST he had enough dignity to be with them and only them while he was married. What are you living in the old days or something? THIS ISN'T THE 1800'S ANYMORE! Where everyone thought it was wrong. We are living in the 21st century. EVERYBODY GET DIVORCED. What would you do if you didn't want to be with your wife anymore? Would you still stay with her if she disgusted you? I think not. I THINK YOU NEED TO LAY OFF THE DISCUSSION OF DIVORCE AND START TALKING ABOUT MORE IMPORTANT THINGS.

By: Paulina Gilbert San Diego California

Paulina Gilbert San Diego California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:30:41 +0000

Yeah baby! Good for Charlie Rangel – some truth being told. Giuliani's personal life, with 3 different wives has given me some discomfort. He seems to have an undiscipled approach toward needing a woman next to him and the behaviour he showed in dumping his last wife and then marrying this new one was distasteful. Not the actions of a thoughtful, smart man. But actions of a lust-driven idiot. I also have concerns that this woman he married is a classic gold-digger. Don't doubt for one moment that she set her cap for this man – and he fell for it hook, line and sinker. I would NOT want this woman in such a powerful position as first lady next to the President. We have too much to put right and too much to lose to have a lust-driven fool and a gold-digger wife as the next President and first lady. God save us from such a terrible fate. We've already had 8 years of nonsense and idiocy. Please God we get someone with some intelligence in the White House for the next 4 – 8 years. Good for Charlie Rangel for telling the truth.

By: Tony Martin

Tony Martin — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:30:26 +0000

"The Clintons have so much mud in their past... Allegations of rape, embezzling, just to name a few."

Yea, allegations. And you know what? The republicans spent over $40 million of your tax dollars investigating, and came up with Monicagate. So when can we investigate Bush/Cheney for $40 million? Answer: never.

By: therealist

therealist — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:12:31 +0000

Charlie Rangel and the liberal 110th Congress is the embarrassment...

By: Anthony, Folsom CA

Anthony, Folsom CA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:45:07 +0000

As a Democrat I'm really ashamed that one of my own is taking a page from the Karl Rove playbook, here. People can choose to judge Guiliani by his personal life, but they don't need prompting from his opponents. Besides, Rudy isn't really ready to run the country, and personal attacks just distract us from what really needs to be examined. Take Clarence Thomas for example – everyone was so focused on the harassment claims, the fact that he was a terrible choice for the job for reasons related to his legal philosophies was overlooked, and we've had to live with the consequences. I think Hillary is probably a mean person by nature, and it's starting to show in her campaign. Edwards seems like a good guy – why is he polling so low?

By: Abe, Chicago IL

Abe, Chicago IL — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:31:00 +0000

Rangel will do a Stark and appologize tomorrow!

So is it better to learn from your mistakes and try something different or is it better to keep with the same old lies?

Hillary voted twice with Bush (Iraq and now Iran). So is this about Giuliani or Gulability?

By: Richard, London

Richard, London — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:09:30 +0000

Rudy Giuliani’s entire basis for running for president is his tenure as mayor of New York. For starters, jumping from mayor to president is a huge leap, and I don’t think anyone has ever done it (if I’m wrong, apologies to whoever pulled it off). And today you have to wonder how America, embroiled in a dozen major international issues, can elect a mayor with no experience in national policy.
But even as mayor, Giuliani’s record is actually pretty weak. He picked a police chief who was mob-connected, and who is now headed for federal charges - tax fraud, bribery, taking money from the Mafia. He hired an unqualified crony for the NY Housing Development Corporation who later went to jail for child porn, and his key supporter in the Senate has been exposed using prostitutes both in Washington and Louisiana. Later he hired a child molester at his law firm. What on earth would happen if he were to pick a cabinet, when his first recommendation for the cabinet was the mob-cop guy?
His urban reconstruction effort displaced low-income families to make room for big corporations. He indulged in racial profiling, and angered big chunks of his community for his support of the NYPD during the aftermath of the Amadou Diallo shooting. He tried so often to restrict free speech against his opponents that he lost 35 lawsuits on that one issue alone - thirty-five! The Farmersville garbage scandal forced him to quit the 2000 Senate race, and his other scandals forced him to take himself out of consideration for the Homeland Security job (among other things, he had to annul his first marriage because he was found to have married his first cousin; he dumped his second wife via a press conference rather than break the news in person - he was having an affair with the woman who would become his third wife). And of course there was his lousy performance on and after 911, which we will address later.
Giuliani’s record as mayor is actually pretty bad, but that doesn’t stop him from claiming things he never actually did. In addition to claiming on scant evidence that he’s a terrorism expert, he claims credit for reducing crime in New York, which actually began during the tenure of his predecessor, Dinkins, because of Dinkins’ policies (and enhanced by Clinton‘s decision to fund additional police officers). He claimed credit to crafting the strategy for destroying the Mafia in New York, which was actually the work of Professor Bob Blakey at Cornell. He claimed he spent as much time at Ground Zero as the first responders; he later had to admit he lied. Giuliani also claims he knows more about foreign policy than McCain (Senate Armed Services Committee) or Biden (Foreign Relations Committee Chairman), but then he had to admit that he didn’t know North Korea was much further along than Iran in developing nuclear weapons!
One particularly galling whopper: Giuliani spend a ton of money on ads claiming he turned a deficit into a surplus in New York. Actually he left a bigger deficit than he started with, and it would have been bigger even if 911 hadn’t happened. The next mayor, Bloomberg, was forced take extraordinary measures to save the city from collapse. How did this happen? Giuliani indulged in the same brain-dead wishful thinking Bush has indulged in, passing irresponsible tax cuts, occasionally raiding pension funds for money (which experts called irresponsible); this means that if Rudy wins the White House we will have 4-8 more years of suicidal fiscal policies and more debt.
The Republicans seriously believe this guy is fit to be commander in chief. He and they must be stopped. We can’t have another four years of incompetent leadership.

Rudy’s entire reason for running - 911 - is a very shaky area for him, because his performance during the crisis was actually sloppy. Giuliani claims he has been a student of Islamic terrorism for 30 years, but he ignored the threat from Islamic extremists in New York even after the first WTC attack, and after 911 he had to ask Kissinger who bin Laden was. His decision to locate the Office of Emergency Management headquarters in a long-identified target for a terrorist attack at the World Trade Center damaged the city’s response - the center was of course wiped out. The diesel fuel tanks placed at 7 World Trade Center to power the command center actually caused the building to collapse and burn. Firefighters were using exactly the same kind of radios that failed after the 1993 WTC bombing: 343 firefighters didn’t hear the evacuation order and died in the towers; Giuliani later claimed falsely they heard the order but ignored it. Ten days after
911 he claimed the air was safe to breathe despite the presence of serious contaminants; he botched the air quality issue at Ground Zero even though he knew there was a safety problem, and firefighters lacked proper protective gear and were insufficiently protected against pollutants (contrariwise at the Pentagon the workers were properly equipped and no one got sick). After 911, turf wars, sweetheart deals and Giuliani’s personal projects impeded the handling of the crisis further. Victims’ families complain they were shut out of the process of designing the 911 memorial. By 2007 Giuliani had to limit his appearances in New York because of protest from victims’ families, police and firefighters. Relatives and firemen said they didn’t want Giuliani even to speak at the 911 ceremonies in September 2007, saying it would be a “disgrace”.
Let’s remember that Giuliani is a terrorism victim, not a terrorism expert - there’s a difference.
911 is his whole reason for running, and his handling of the crisis was lousy. The Republicans seriously believe he’s fit to take the White House. He and they must be stopped. Eight years of incompetence is all we can stand.

As the campaign picks up momentum, we are learning more about what kind of candidate - and president - Rudy will be. Just as he lies about his New York record, he lies about the 2008 race, claiming the Democrats will slash military budgets, impose socialism, and cause more people to die from terrorism. He hired the same smear team that crushed a black Senate candidate, Harold Ford, in the Tennessee Senate race by implying he had sex with a Playboy bunny (the same team that smeared McCain for Bush in South Carolina in 2000); so more lies and smears are sure to come. But his campaign is way behind the curve: he projected 100-125 million in campaign fundraising this year but as of July had only 33 - an ominous sign for a guy who as president must sign off on budget projections - and a key supporter is the Senator who was exposed as a customer of the DC Madam.
And that is before we get to his policies - he wants to ban late-term abortion, opposes same-sex marriage, supports school vouchers, supports torture, supports school prayer, supports putting the Ten Commandments in schools, and promises to appoint Scalia-like judges to the bench. We don’t, however, know where he stands on immigration because he has flipflopped all over the place. In fact we usually don’t know where he stand on anything - Republicans in Iowa already complain that Giuliani only talks about one issue, terrorism (and that he has a temper that is out of control).
After his tenure as mayor he did some rather striking things too: in addition to representing heavily-polluting coal plants and Big Tobacco, his firm represented Purdue Pharma when the drug maker was nailed for lying about Oxycontin; the federal prosecutor who was handling the case was threatened by the White House to back off the investigation, and when the lawyer said no, the White House, only days later, put him on the list of US attorneys to be fired.
A number of Republicans think he’s unfit for office. One might expect that from the far right, which has already rejected him because of abortion and his flipflops on some of their favorite issues. But even Al D’Amato – no reactionary – admitted that sponsoring Giuliani for a prosecutor job in New York was “the biggest mistake I ever made”.
Finally, my favorite Rudy quote: “Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.”
The Republicans seriously think he’s fit for the top job. He and they must be stopped.

By: jfz, napa, ca

jfz, napa, ca — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:21:05 +0000

John says: "Rudy was an average MAYOR at best. Why does anyone possibly think he is ready to be president??" I ask: Hillary was a longterm resident of Arkansas not New York, why would anyone think SHE should be president?

By: Olga, Chula Vista, CA

Olga, Chula Vista, CA — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:19:11 +0000

Mr. Rangel, it's not about the woman staying with her husband, it's about the rape and abuse of women by her husband and she standing by and letting it happen and than threatening those abused/raped women not to tell. Is that less "wrong" than Mr. Giuluiani marrying three times?

By: Jayson, Beale AFB, CA

Jayson, Beale AFB, CA — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:59:12 +0000

I guess I will try this again.

Which is more embarassing? Being married 3 times or being from the party who is stirring up problems with Turkey? The Democrats have no problems attempting to pass a resolution condemning the Turkish people for attrocities that happened when it was still part of the Ottoman Empire 80+ years ago. They have no problems doing this knowing full well that the the Turkish military is close to invading Northern Iraq which would destabilize what is currently a stable part of the country. Leave it to the Democrats to prove how much worse we could be with them running this war.

By: DJ, Los Angeles

DJ, Los Angeles — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:55:43 +0000

3 times is a bit much, I would have to agree with Rangel.

By: Andy, New York, New York

Andy, New York, New York — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:53:51 +0000

Giuliani embarrasses who 'us'? Democrats? Blacks? New Yorkers? Giluiani married three times: BAD! Bill Clinton cheated multiple times: GOOD! I guess Rangel is getting too old to reason rationally and should give up his seat or continue swishing in his own mess. Hey, Charlie, how come since the DEMS took over CONGRESS, nothing great is happening? Bush's ratings: 30%!!! Congres' ratings: 15%!!! Who is the bigger loser since the 2006 coup? Not you! You embarrass me, a New Yorker!

By: therealist

therealist — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:19:58 +0000

New York Rep. Charlie Rangel, a prominent supporter of Hillary Clinton, has made his fortune off the pretence of helping the black community. While Charlie is now a millionaire, the majority of his black constituents are worse off now than when Charlie first entered office 30 YEARS AGO. The black family, education, prison rates, poverty, all worse now because of Charlie’s continued calls for preferential treatment over equality. My heart aches for the black constituents in Charlie's district that are still waiting for the government to take care of them..

By: Scott Washington, DC

Scott Washington, DC — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:08:35 +0000

Rangel is a bigot.

By: Barry Gold, Orange, CA

Barry Gold, Orange, CA — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:54:10 +0000

Rep. Rangel is an example of why we need term limits. Arrogant, contemtuous, racist, and un-American.

Using his "service to his country" as his teflon, has it's limits. He has done NOTHING to help his own race, but call others racist.

There is a term called, "the loyal opposition". This refers to people who are in different political parties but can hang together for the overall good of the nation. Rep. Rangel CANNOT do this, and therefore relinquises his right to cast stones at Rudy, when he defends his good buddy Democrat Rep. Barney Frank, who has done much worse.

His arrogance and cheap shot capabilities are unmatched, excepts maybe by another New Yorker, Sen. Schumer.

By: pat huntington ny

pat huntington ny — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:49:52 +0000

Yes, he sure does.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:34:21 +0000

Some of these responses are so typical of the republican hypocracy. I would like to respond to some:

RobertR, upstate: I hear you talking but you have no stones on Rangle. The issue is basic; if you quit on your wife and children (family) what will you do with the country. Loyalty is the issue. I was here in NY when his wife and children found out about the divorce on the news. Gulliani is dispicable and I know this first hand. Some of the undermined things he did and his level of greed and his socialist persona. You don't want him in the house!!!!!

To: Ray of Rochester; Here is a list of Bush's scandals. Eleven was not enough to top Bush and his term is not yet up:

1. Katrina
2. Federal Judge Scandal
3. FBI agent identity release
4. Iraq
5. Military spending (soilders care, charged for missing equipment, the food that never reaches the soilders from Cheneys company (Halliburton.
6. The fact that Cheney's company has the contract (Halliburton).
7. Fema
8. Trade Deficit
9. 911 and Usama Bin Ladans family
10. Bush National Guard Records, Non-service
11. Bogus Iraq-Niger Yellowcake Uranium Claims
12.

By: Doug, New Jersey

Doug, New Jersey — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:28:30 +0000

How funny is it to hear lib democrats talk crap on Rudy.

Liberal democrats who trash Rudy re-elected a known child molester (Gerry Studds) 6 times!!!

Liberal democrats who trash Rudy have continued to re-elect Ted Kennedy, who drove drunk, crashed and killed an innocent woman, and left the scene to go home and act as if it didn't happen.

I like this forum, it shows you first hand what type of people liberal democrats are. It shows you that if you are an honest, decent person that you are at odds with liberal democrats.

By: Anyone But Hillary

Anyone But Hillary — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:23:15 +0000

Hillary Clinton: The Poster Child For A Good Marriage?

I don't think so.

By: Steve, Sumter SC

Steve, Sumter SC — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:13:44 +0000

Victor in Philly,

I can tell you his accomplishment. He introduced a bill to bring back the draft. When it came time for a vote, he voted against his own bill! 2 funny!

By: Farrell, Houston, Tx

Farrell, Houston, Tx — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:49:42 +0000

Rangel didn't take a cheap shot at Giuliani and yes it's ugly but it's politics. Divorce doesn't make one a bad person nor does it make one a good candidate for marriage. Oh, but candidate for President that makes a lot of us eligible.

By: Cable King Pittsburgh PA

Cable King Pittsburgh PA — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:47:13 +0000

Like most long term incumbents,
Rangel is a walking billboard for term limits.

By: John (NY, NY)

John (NY, NY) — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:38:32 +0000

Rudy was an average MAYOR at best. Why does anyone possibly think he is ready to be president??

By: Maria, Houston

Maria, Houston — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:22:56 +0000

The same guy who wanted to reinstate draft is now crusading for Hillary Clinton?!

Oh, I've got it: Never mind she voted for the war, as long as she is not Divorced...

By: Tom Dedham, Mass

Tom Dedham, Mass — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:21:23 +0000

Since I had the first posting, but it was taken off...

Rangel takes a shot at Giuliani but at the same time takes a greater shot at Romney's faith.

Turn the tables here and if this was an ELECTED Republican politician making comments like this about a Jew or Allah forbid, a Muslims faith, the outcry would be immense.

Rangel is a notch below fellow race baiters Sharpton and Jackson, but he too is part of that privileged group that can say what they want and NEVER have to apologize.

Charley, I would pay to debate the issue with you as just like the other Clinton sheep, you are making this appear that it was a one time "problem" with Bill and Hillary, not the repeated "cheating and ignoring" that went on for political expedience ONLY.

By: Brett, New Orleans, LA

Brett, New Orleans, LA — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:10:52 +0000

Charlie Rangel is grabbing at straws. Apparently, his views are slanted when it is a matter of convenience. This sort of pedantry commentary by a professional politician is an embarrassment to democracy. If Charlie is embarrassed by the fact that his peer has been divorced before, he is clearly out of touch with today's society. I find this observation particularly damaging to Charlie's competency as a leader in politics.

By: jfz, napa, ca

jfz, napa, ca — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:00:33 +0000

CNN News Flash!!! CHARLIE RANGEL SETS NEW LOW! (Hillary must be so proud for him.) The Nobel committee may issue a special award for the depths a human will stoop to malign another!

By: Chris Wright, Greenville SC

Chris Wright, Greenville SC — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:55:46 +0000

I believe that Charlie was making a point that some conservatives attack the democrats on moral issues and how it's such a hypocracy that the same ones who are attacking are often the same ones lacking in morals.

By: Zack, NJ

Zack, NJ — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:35:11 +0000

Rangel Embarrasses Us. Didn't he make a big deal recently to try to have funds earmarked for a building named after HIMSELF?

By: Salita, SC

Salita, SC — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:34:26 +0000

Last time I checked Hillary never had an affair. Bill Clinton has outstanding numbers and could win re-election again today. Why do you waste time commenting on Bill Clinton when it is HILLARY running. Very few people will be fooled by your comments about what you think she might have done way back when. The more she talks to people the more they seem to like her and she isnt wasting her time making comments about who the republican contenders might be married to.

At this point what rangel had to say about Giuliani is just the tip of the iceberg should he become the nominee of the republican party. If you follow politics these comments should not have been a surpise to you.

By: George, Billerica, Mass.

George, Billerica, Mass. — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:24:33 +0000

I'm no fan of Rudy, but this marriage test to be President has to stop. The number of marriages and divorces is not a qualification for any office. He should come right out and say so and help put a stop to all this nonsense.

By: scott, manchester NH

scott, manchester NH — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:14:42 +0000

take a look at: comment Posted By Ray, Rochester : October 22, 2007 7:12 pm
__________
i ask myself how someone can spin all that information stated, so freakishly out of control...
the big difference between anything clinton-related......and the Bush years of misery and incompetence..is that: america was run by a prez with brains and communication skills who was respected throughout the world for sitting at the table and engaging in solid, substantive problem solving..
the bush years (as most people on planet earth know by now) have been plagued by nothing but horribly embarrassing and overwhelming incompetence, total lack of concern for the middle and lower income people,and and absolute braindeadness when it comes to tackling the global war on terror..Bush is destined to go down in ALL history books as the guy who came into office with bad news,and left with a trail of destruction and a world that was constantly amazed at how americans could not see this coming.
the problems "listed" in that post are NO different than the ones of just about EVERY presidency in history...
what makes Bush so God-aweful terrible is that on TOP of all the problems he's created (mostly when congress had been republican majority), he's going to leave behind such an abominable mess that the rest of the WORLD is gonna be stuck with..
oh, and how many people lost their lives when bill and monica were involved?...im pretty sure it was NONE.

Poster child for sleaze??
maaan, what planet do you live on..

By: jvl,Springfield,VA

jvl,Springfield,VA — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:10:40 +0000

Don't you just love the party of "family values". Rudy on wife #3, cheated on wife #2 with current wife, his kids have disowned him, dresses in drag, said he was pro-choice/pro-gay rights to get elected and now says the opposite. Repubs should go with Rudy and Larry Craig on the ticket, real family values.

By: Trollmaster, CA

Trollmaster, CA — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:05:47 +0000

In 2000, Republicans showed their hypocrisy by voting for chicken hawk W Bush over McCain, a war veteran and POW in the Republican primaries.

Watch them show they stand for nothing once again when the 3 time married adulterer Giuliani wins the Republican primaries.

They once rightfully asked the question with Clinton "If we can't trust him being faithful with his wife, how can we trust him to run the country". It's truly pitiful when they only hold their high standard to those they despise, while ignoring the standards of their own.

By: Luke, Wilmington, DE

Luke, Wilmington, DE — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:41:53 +0000

How many times has CNN's Larry King been married?

By: Liberal Chic

Liberal Chic — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:40:03 +0000

Charles Wilkins, Smithfield Pa :

Ha ha. So you think he just cheated on his wives once and married the paramour? ha ha ha.

When Rudy Giuliani first started the affair with his current wife, Judith Nathan, Donna Hanover, his then-wife was actually relieved because Giuliani stopped seeing the mistress Donna Hanover KNEW about - Cristyne Lategano. Little did she know he was just cheating on her (and the first mistress) with a different woman.

This guy is a cheater through and through. And I am not going to castigate him for that because the flesh is weak. But if I am going to have a husband who cheats, I want him to give me the courtesy of being discreet - not bringing the other woman into my home overnight while we have two elementary aged school children, not parading her in public events like she's the first lady of NYC, not trying to take away my privileges (by trying to shut down the First Lady's Office) because he can't be a decent human being.

It's ok for people to divorce, though I think they should avoid it if at all possible, especially if there are young children in the family. But being a royal jerk like Giuliani in a marriage and during a divorce is just unacceptable.

I would make a small wager that this third marraige will not last more than the usual 15 years for him and that another paramour will be involved in the dissolution.

By: Wayno K'Port Maine

Wayno K'Port Maine — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:40:01 +0000

Who elected this waste of space?? Oh...the same people who elected Hillary! All makes sense.Next this idiot will want to bring back the draft! oops...

By: Henry Tucker, Ga

Henry Tucker, Ga — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:03:21 +0000

Gee, Charlie, since we're on the topic of "marital relationships" – how about you sharing with us all how you feel about Hillary's husband being a sexual predator? Many MANY consentual affairs, 2 accusations of sexual harrassment, 1 accusation of rape.

How does that sit you with you, Mr $70,000 self-portrait?