WOW man! I don't want your heart to explode! Slow down and take a deep breath. I never said we are always right! I said the government is to protect its people! Your rambling crossed my eyes! It made no sense! Who is trying to kill the leader of the catholic faith and how is that protecting me? I made a simple statement and your made a rambling response and resort to name calling. You are an angry, angry man! Slow down and lets have a civil discussion! We may even learn sometime from each other!

It's clear that good things in Iraq would be a big disappointment for those hoping that it's failure will lead to Republicans being removed from power and sent to their special corner in Hell.

Your hopes for the future are exactly why Republicans fear your party. You hope for the worst for the world and our country simply to discredit Bush. CNN will help you by contining to report bad news and ignore good news.

Posted By Jay, Kenosha, WI : November 3, 2007 12:05 pm
Jay, if I were to apply the same logic to your post as you apply to Steve's post I would accuse you of wanting Steve to want bad things for the world for the purpose of discrediting/demonising those who disagree with Bush. Do you think that is a fair analysis of your post? You are not afraid of the left, you are afraid of the construct of the left that exists only in your own mind. Do you understand how someone might be concerned about the judgments of sombody like you who can not tell the difference between reality and his own imaginings?

I'm sorry that you believe that democracy is impossible in Iraq and that America should just give up and go home. It's odd then that so many Iraqis voted during their last election despite the threat of violence.

Your hopes for the future are exactly why Republicans fear your party. You hope for the worst for the world and our country simply to discredit Bush. CNN will help you by contining to report bad news and ignore good news.

yea thats a great argument, lets use something that happened 60 years ago with just ONE of the people who voted against waterboarding as a way to null and void the subject of torturing anyone we want in horrible ways. i wish some of these AMERICAN TOUGHGUYS went through 1 day of what these powerless people are going through in the middle east. its easy to put an american flag on our pick up truck when we are IN AMERICA....lets see you try that in the middle east toughguys i bet you that the last people that would do that are these people voting for a tougher government. becausse when you beg for protection all it shows is you have the inability to stand on your own two......

I took your advice and looked it up. Brian Ross reported that Khalid Shiekh Mohammed lasted two and a half minutes of being waterboarded before giving up information that foiled more than a dozen plots including an airline attack on the Library Tower in Los Angeles. I'm sorry it had to be done, but if it is true I'm glad those people are alive today.

Your concern that an innocent person would suffer this treatment is valid. I hope it never happens.

The humiliation that occurred at Abu Ghraib was a terrible incident but it is unfair to paint all of our soldiers in that light. Our soldiers are people too, they love their children, families and do good deeds. I'm not surprised you think how you do because stories like Abu Ghraib are publicized endlessly, while more positive stories such as "Iraqi soldiers donate $1,000 for wildfire aid" are forgotten. We do not thank our soldiers enough.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/29/iraq.donation/index.html

I don't fault the administration for invading Afghanistan as that regime was a factual menace (as opposed to a menace only in fiction, as Saddam Hussein was.) If this President actually understood the terrorists' agenda, then he would have foreseen the conversion of Iraq from an impotent secular fascism to a hotbed of religious terrorism driven by overpowering anti-American sentiments.

There are two clear lessons that some people seem to have failed to learn in the past six years. One is that killing large numbers of foreign civilians makes new enemies for your organization regardless of whether that organization is a military superpower or a covert criminal network. The other is that George W. Bush couldn't keep his eye on the proverbial ball if the man had horse blinders surgically implanted. Terrorism is a legitimate and serious concern, having ended the lives of perhaps 3% as many Americans as automobiles have in this century. However, if we are seriously concerned about reducing the extent of terrorist threats in this world, then we should also be seriously concerned about removing from power the one American President who has done far more than any other to strengthen and broaden the extent of these threats.

Lets not forget what Bush did 4 years ago:

http://nyletterpress.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/the-impact-of-bush-linking-911-and-iraq/

Dude, if this were really "all about oil" as the tinfoil hat contingent is adamant at stating, we would have simply invaded Canada and Mexico. We get five times more oil from these two neighbors than we do from Iraq.
(http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html)

Plus, it would be a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to invade Canada and Mexico. I mean, we just follow the interstate highway systems north or south and neither of these nations would put up much of a fight.

Hell, most of Mexico wants to come here anyway and most Canadians are either too cold or too stoned to care either way.

So please, can it with the "no blood for oil" mantra. At least get some sort of dogma that attempts to make sense.

Waterboarding is the controvercial terrorist interrogation technique in which accused terrorists are tricked into believing they are drowning... in other words, to scare them so bad they spill their guts on the intel they know.

Now, let's just think about the irony in the two paragraphs above...

It's too bad that Kennedy's concern for the simulated drowning of terrorists didn't extend to innocent 29-year-old single female secretaries who ride in his Oldsmobile.

BTW, that A in high school translated to a 3.76 in History/Poli Sci.

As far as Boulder goes, I had a blast when I visited there a few years ago. It is still a hotbed of far left liberalism, does the name Ward Churchill sound familiar, merely an obseration.

steve do your research and look at what bioll clinton actually tried to do to get bin laden before he left office and what he left the bush administration to do about the problem that they didnt how about you do a little research on that and i think your faith might just be restored in bill clinton.. heres the link if you need it

http://www.cnponline.org/index.php?tg=articles&idx=Print&topics=86&article=242

‘I truly am not that concerned about him’ ... ‘Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he’s alive at all’

It's unfortunate that he didn't take his own advice 5 years ago. Or 4 years ago. Or 3 years ago. Or 2 years ago. Or last year. Do you suppose he'll take it now?

hey jay did you know that all the people that were tortured at ABU GHARIB and humiliated were INNOCENT!??! do you realize that middle eastern and arab people are actually PEOPLE!!!! yes they really are!! they love there children they love there families they do good deeds. its as if they judged us on these idiots that protested at that soldiers funeral because the US MILITARY allow gays in the army and they protested saying god was punishing america by killing its soldiers!!!! those people are absolutely crazy!! so are the suicide bombers so are the religious radicals. and you know what we are creating more and more crazy people out there by imprisoning and torture there families and killing them "by accident"...do research before you blatently say americans arent safe.....and start thinking about people instead of countries....

Why where the "W's" missing from the keyboards? Who do you think took them? Do you honesty believe 9-11 was only planned after Pres Bush entered the White House? When these guys wanted to learn how to fly but not takeoff and land, who was in office and where was the intel then? Was Bin Laden not offered to Clinton? How did so many Dems get "duped" into voting for the war? There is enough blame for both parties. While I am grateful for the opportunity for all of us to disagee and disent, your arguments are weak!

>Posted By PHILL IN GRAND ISLE

Aside from the annoying use of all caps, it is disheartening to know that there are millions in this county like ol' Phill in Grand Isle. Democrats aren't dummys, Phill, they are just a little more level-headed when it comes to national and world issues. Yes, we all want to protect America from terrorism and other threats, but bombing and invading countries in a quest to control their oil is not exactly the best route to take. It actually creates more terrorism and hatred to the US.

DO YOU GET THAT PHILL?

Sorry to pick on you personally to make a point for all Bush defenders.

George will be remmbered as the President when 9-11 occured. He shall be rembered as a reactionary cowboy, who was handed world opinion on a plater and managed to turn absolute world support into total distain.

He sahll be remmbered for his absolute disregard of law and his mishandleing of what should have been (as unnessary as it was) fast and decisive victory over Iraq and the removal of Saddam, the entire action to include reconstruction should have envolved our forces on the ground from start to finish in less than 18 months. He shall be remmbered as swearing to the American public that bin Laden woulf be hunted dwon dead or alive and leaving office with bin Laden still evading capture very much alive. He shall be remmbered as the guy who was handed a surplus and nation owing 5.9 Trillion dollars, leaving office with no surplus and the nation owing 10 Trillion dollars. He shall be remmbered as the guy that laughed at California when they asked for help because of the manipulation of the energy market, saying that his good friends at Enron proclaimed it the free market economy working. He shall be remmbered as the guy that entered office with gasoline at 41.25/ GAL and left office with $4.00/ Gal gasoline. He shall be remmbered as the guy that started office with a great American City named New Oreleans, enough said.

Yes George shall be remmbered.

p.s., noting that someone is from a place that is known for people of a particular political stripe does nothing to discredit that person nor bolster your own opinions. it is just evidence of your hostility to that worldview, and perhaps person and region.

Well, if he "tries" and fails miserably, increasing the threat of terrorism (as acknowledged by our own intelligence services) through his shortsighted policies and mangled execution of war that has left so many maimed and dead Americans, does god still bless him? Wouldn't god prefer someone with the wisdom to both try and succeed? Maybe let's try a Democrat.

David in Boulder (Left-Wing Capitol of the Country) take a civics lesson. Bush cannot unilaterally cancel the presidential election. Sheeesh.

I agree, 9/11 is an American tragedy which is why it offends me that the President invokes 9/11 all the time for things that have nothing to do with national security. The same goes for Rudy Giuliani.

This fight isn't about the safety of the american people, this is about Bush covering his rear from congressional oversight.

We need a REAL conservative in office. Not one who states that his opponents should "spend more time responding to the warnings of terrorists like Osama bin Laden" when he himself has ignored the man for four years. Mr. President, just what have YOU been doing about bin Laden? You certainly aren't interested in him unless you can use him against your political opponents, or as a means to motivate by fear and hate. Typical neo-con strategy that is wearing quite thin.

Neo-cons, you are all absolutely pathetic. After 25 years of your mishandling this government and destroying the civil liberties of our Republic, I am glad that the American people have finally had enough of your delusions of Empire.

We also have the White House press secretary, trying whitewash Bush's failure to lead the Nation properly, telling us that bin Laden, responsible for the deaths of almost 3,000 people on U.S. soil, is "irrelevant" and "not in control."

I believe in military terms this is called "deriliction of duty." Too bad it is not an impeachable offense.

Sorry, Georgie, your family friend is right where you and the Saudis left him, wherever that is.

You failed to get bin Laden, you snivelling, National Guard-deserting loser, because he's part of all of this, isn't he? ...Conveniently showing up just before elections, just before Paetreus' testimony...who do you think you're fooling?

Time for the Dems to tell Bush to eat it on this one.

3000 people died on 9/11. It's an American tradegy! One that should not be forgotten or repeated!!

"some in Washington should spend more time responding to the warnings of terrorists like Osam bin Laden and the requests of our commanders on the ground and less time responding to the demands of MoveOn.org bloggers and Code Pink protestors." UNBELIEVEABLE!!!! This coming from the acting President who ignored the threats from Bin Laden which resulted in September THE 11th.

I praise the efforts of MoveON and
Code Pink. Most of us agree with their logic yet do nothing about it. These good folks have the integrity and drive to protest this loser administration and their faulty, evil, warped policies. Look up Fascism and you will realize how scary Bush and his cronies are.

The war-mongering, macho attitudes that resonates throughout parts of our great nation is fueled by little-dicked followers who can't think for themselves. (over-compensation). They need a leader and unfortunately have found
one in Bush. There is no sense in trying to talk some sense in these guys, they will always FOLLOW because they lack the tools to ever lead. I am afraid many of the GOP lawmakers are among this crowd.

Courage folks. If we can get through one more year of this hell, there is light at the end of the tunnel.