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My fiancé is an illegal immigrant we have seen 2 lawyers who have both told us to lay low and not to come forward because something is going to change. Even if I was 9 months pregnant and already married to my fiancé and we tried to go through the laws and pay the fines and go through the correct process so that we could live without worry and good taxpaying law abiding citizens (which is what he wants to be) he will get thrown out and banned for 10 years.
I understand people being against illegal immigration reform acts. But something should be done for people who are married to US citizens and or have children that are US citizens. To have that be black and white and people being deported with a 10 year band is absurd

To: truecitizen, orange county, ca

EXCELLENT QUESTION for Hillary in the next debate: Why didn't the Clinton Administration ignore the Jordan Commission on Immigration Reform?

The Commission on Immigration Reform (CIR) was formed by Congress in 1990, to critically examine United States immigration policies. The bipartisan commission was chaired by the late Congresswoman Barbara Jordan, the highly esteemed civil rights advocate, and is often referred to as the Jordan Commission

Recommendations on Illegal Immigration

The first report issued by the CIR, U.S. Immigration Policy: Restoring Credibility, focused primarily on illegal immigration. Its main recommendations were:

(1)Improve border management: The CIR found current enforcement inadequate to deter illegal immigration and increased training for border officials and increased resources for enforcement. It emphasized the need to prevent illegal entry to minimize the need for apprehension afterward.

(2) Eliminate the "pull" of jobs: A main motivator for illegal immigration is the ease with which illegal aliens can work in the U.S. The CIR recommended additional barriers to illegal employment, including a computerized registry to verify work eligibility and the full use of already-existing (but seldom invoked) penalties against employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens.

(3) Mitigate impact costs: Because immigration policy and enforcement are controlled by the federal government, the CIR recommended that the federal government be responsible for mitigating the fiscal impact of illegal immigration on the states and local communities. This responsibility includes making illegal aliens ineligible for non-emergency public services, holding sponsors financially responsible for the immigrants they sponsor, and assisting states and localities with the financial burden for incarceration, education, emergency medical care, and other costs associated with illegal immigration. (The commission noted that methods for accurately establishing such costs need to be implemented.)

Perhaps some of the papers that are not to be release until AFTER THE ELECTIONS address the Clinton Administrations INCOMPETENCE on immigration reform.

Why are some people saying a driver's license is a ticket for illegal immigrants to vote? I don't see the connection between a license and right to vote.

Of course, Hillary supports driver licensing of illegal aliens. This would the first step for them to participate in our elections...and to alter the outcome in the Democrat's favor. Afterall, this is the same woman that wanted to abolish the Electoral College following the 2000 Presidential race. Hillary wants the country's population centers, which tend to vote Democrat, to determine the outcome. Never mind you midwesterns...who tend to be Republican, anyway.

I don't know about you people, but I trust our founding fathers more than any Clinton! One last thought...let's enforce our current laws on immigration.

Yeah, that is why they need to use bicycles Rose Hann. We break laws and make exceptions, everytime the law is inconvienent for someone. I would think this would be obvious. Spitzer is acting like some dictator. It is absurd.

I have added comments twice and here goes attempt number three. CNN needs to stand behind our first ammensent rights. Lou Dobbs gets to call Gov. and President, and Congress idiots, but we can't say Lou Dobbs is part of the problem.
I agree with illegals having driver's license and INSRANCE. Many already have fraudulent licenses. An accident with one can cost a citizen higher insurance rates. Are we really caring about the Middle Class? According to Lou Dobbs a so called advocate of Middle Class doesn't seem to understand. Oh, and if your a guest on Lou Dobbs and disagree, don't expect to be heard. Perhaps Wolf Blitzer can allow those he interviews to offer the consderation of allowing them to answer a question! This is a democracy people, we don't all need to agree. I do like Jack Cafferty, he reads even negative email comments. I'm sure Lou Dobbs gets as many, but, he prefers the "Atta Boy Lou". As for Dobbs trying to convert his viewers too become Independents, they still are going to vote and the disservice is the Idependent can no longer participate in the Primaries depending on your state. It's rediculous! Also the illegal immigrant or aliens as he prefers doesn't offer a solution, only critisism to those who disagree.

to ms clinton, then if you believe that if they have committed a crime they should be deported all illegals should be deported... They have committed a crime by coming into the country illegally... why should they have the right to wait in line to come into the country then? We know that they are willing to do what ever they want be it illegal or not... What is to say if we let them in after this, if they want something they will not just take it... A CRIME IS A CRIME...

hey hillary,

could you please explain why the clinton administration ignored and refused to implement the jordan commission's recommendations on immigration policy in the 1990's?

Hillary's in bed with China. China has given Hillary "wish lists" to change America. Go ahead fools, vote for her.

It is wrong for any state or local government to give out official documents to people illegally in our country, especially drivers' licenses, which are the keys to the kingdom, so to speak. This is aiding and abetting illegal aliens, which is against the law. State and local government have the duty to make sure they are not aiding and abetting illegal aliens.

Hillary says, "I do not believe we can resolve this problem unless we bring people out of the shadows". Why don't we just deport them. If we just get rid of all these illegals that would be the end of the problem. If Hillary and Spitzer put half the effort into deporting the illegals that they are putting into giving them drivers licenses we could be rid of the illegal invaders.

I think Hillary is more interested in votes than she is about drivers licenses for illegals. Unfortunately, the rest of us legal citizens will end up paying the price of what these votes for Hillary will cost for years to come.

Come on CNN. Stop Censoring Post from people against Hillary and her stupidity for supporting this issue.

You have already buried this down in the blogs yet this has the highest comments of any issue today.

Hillary is going down for this issue and so is your reputation for supporting her. She can't unring the bell for what she said on Live TV. And could not defend herself when confronted by the other more qualified canidates and the moderator.

It's a fact that Hillary bases every opinion she has off of poll numbers and how an issue is polling. Only she screwed up big by supporting this, then waffled by saying she does not, then says she does but does not once again.

She can not get elected now and even if she did we would have to wait till the polls are taken to find out what she would do.

What would she do in a real crisis? Turn on CNN and wait for her opinion to be spoon fed to her?

Hillary just went Yeah Haw like Howard Dean did 4 years ago. Time to move on and pick another canidate CNN. Just like you did 4 years ago.

Giving licenses to foreign nationals residing in this country illegally solves what problem? It will force them all to have insurance? This is the point? So, then what will happen to these non-citizen drivers if they choose not to get a license and insurance? I suppose the same as now, which is nothing. problem not solved.

anyway, who is defining the problems of this country? uninsured drivers? please! how about too many drivers on the roads! (wonder why...) how about too many kids in classrooms? (hmmm...)how about emergency rooms used for common healthcare, and hospitals closing due to non-payments...how about crime, gangs, disease, identity theft, welfare and social services burden, prison overcrowding, voter fraud, post 9/11 borderINsecurity, once-good-paying-and-available jobs(i.e. construction work), profiteering by corporations (the southern plantations also argued they NEEDed the slaves), and fairness to other would-be immigrants from other countries. What about THESE problems? I blame only the politicians, not the immigrants, for enabling/encouraging mass immigration over the past decades. We had Amnesty in the 80's with the condition of then enforcing our LAWS. But the enforcing our laws part of the deal never happened. And, it seems, never will. Money, votes, profits and power. That's what they get. We get...all the above.

Seriously, this lady scares me. What happen to rule of law. Rewarding Illegal behavior is not going to work with the American people, this issue alone will kill her campaign, THANKFULLY.

This should be a Democratic issue. This country exploits the illegal alien work force and keeps wages for many jobs low. The reason no American will do many of these jobs is that there is always an illegal willing to do it for less. Without the ready pool of cheap labor the big winner would be the American worker.

Just the thought that a person could sneak into this country and be given a legal government ID should make everyone uneasy. Think about it the next time you board a plane.

Hilarious how Hillary found a way to blow the election in 2007. If you want to see what a Hillary Presidency would do, just look at Michigan and its Socialist, big Govt, big TAX, anti-gun, anti-Big Three, anti-life, pro socialized medicine, anti-business, anti-Christian, paid by the Unions liberal Lawyer Governor Jennifer Granholm. The state of Michigan IS SCREWED with the highest unemployment and third world economy. Jenny's answer? You guessed it, a MASSIVE TAX INCREASE. Liberals like Hillary and Jenny call taxes "revenue" as if the state worked for its money. The state of Michigan IS ONE UGLY BABY and Hillary wants to do the same for the rest of you.

if they were not here at all, they would not need drivers licenses and hit decent Americans in their cars. Send them home now. FOLLOW THE LAW

Posted By James, NJ : November 5, 2007 2:29 pm

James, can you make the difference between acknowledging an issue that needs to be solved (by states or at federal level as she proposed) and agreeing to give driver's license to immigrants? You all play 'stupid' and don't listen and reason a bit.

I cannot imagine how so many pretend not to understand that the issue of illegal immigrants is not solved with a Yes/No answer as it was insinuated in the debate. It would be irresponsible to do so.

“But finally I do not believe we can resolve this problem unless we bring people out of the shadows,” Clinton said, adding that undocumented immigrants should have a pathway to citizenship but they’d need to register, pay taxes, pay fines, learn English, and wait in line after those who’ve come to the United States legally. Those who have committed crimes, she said, should be deported.

Mrs. Clinton I'd like to formally let you know that crossing the USA borders illegally IS a crime!

Hillary is an corrupt fool

Anyone who supports amnesty for ILLEGAL immigrants will lose my vote and everyone I know from friends to fellow employees feels the same way. Even Hispanics I know are against illegal immigration.

Once again Hillary and the Clintons must wait till they see how an issue plays out on CNN and the press before making a real decision. I grow tired of this policy by polls attitude.

Grow up and grow a pair and make a decision and actually stick by it Hillary.

God forbid you are elected and something important happens. Then what will you do? Sit back and wait to see what the polls suggest then do that?

We want a president of ACTION not reaction.

Keep beating her with this issue till she hangs herself from flip flopping back and forth ever few days.

Anybody But Clinton

Hey Democrats....please vote for one of the other guys! Hillary is a terrible liar and even you dont want that....!!!! At least Edwards and Obama are much more straightforward and provide you what they stand for....

Just remember...she is playing you all like a flute!!!! This isnt about her being a woman, its about her integrity to handle that office and give us all a true idea of what she will do when she gets there.... which is what she wont do!

Driver licenses are for individuals who follow the letter of the law. Immigration and other laws are for the public to follow. Period!!

As a DEMOCRAT I am disappointed.

I'm not going to pay 1/2 my earnings to live with blacks mexicans and to be lorded over by jews.......it simply wont happen....this is no longer a country by any definition, the government is illegitimate and hostile and Im dropping out...if pressed, I will defend myself and my family to the death against ZOG......what a nightmare this country has become.

In NYS,you have to keep insurance or your license and registration is suspended the first day. We have license plate readers installed in patrol cars that read 10,000 plates a day while on the road. In order to avoid suspension,you have to turn in plates at a DMV,get a receipt,and produce it to your insurance company to cancel. Also,you can't register to vote at DMV unless your records crosscheck with other agencies to prove you are a citizen. You cannot buy guns legally without a backround check that also crosschecks for citizenship. Unfortunately,none of these agencies are allowed to verify your ID independantly,thanks to Homeland security. So if you need ID,you have to already have it to get it. Which if you need it,you're not allowed to have it. I cannot believe that this is not intentional. With the fight over voter ID,it's obvious to me that people are being denied their rights of citizenship. There's a reason those 20 million "undocumented americans" are not called "undocumented foreign nationals."

Here are the people who will vote for Hillary, and should I say democrat no matter what.

1. Yellow dog democrats who dont' know what she stands for, all they know is there great grandparents, grandparents, and parents voted democrat, and by dang they will too, they don't bother to find out how leftist/communist the party has become.

2. The drug stoned brain dead hippies of the Clinton generation.

3. Liberal progressive college professors.

4.Moveon.org types financed by George Soros, a Frenchmen and a Socialist.

5. Secular Humanist who are so intolerant of christians, they can't wait till God is totally erased from this country.

6. Illegal aliens, and the dead, brought back to life by groups like ACORN just in time to vote.

7. The Socialist and Communist party's that are alive and well in the USA.

8. The think they know it all elitist, and hollywood types.

6. Any slime that has crawled out from under a rock, and hates this country..those who like being able to live off the hard work of others, those who get a thrill out of seeing how many baby's can be slaughtered every year, and hope they can up the ante the next year.

7. The criminal element, as democrats would love to see those who have committed federals crimes be able to vote again, and even wanted to pass a bill allowing them to do so. The criminals best friend is a liberal democrat.

So here is just a few elements of the human race that will be voting democrat, I am sure I could spend all day lisiting more, but I haven't time.

This has nothing to do with bringing people out of the shadows and eveything to do with votes for the Dem. How stupid do you think we are. I am a Dem but am against drivers licenses for illegals. It is an obvious ploy to buy votes and I hate it!
I suppot Obama very stongly but I need to hear from him and or/ Hillary that ILLEGALS will not get voting privlidges! They will not buy the insurance you will just but votes! You Madame are a liar!

You duplicitous liberals are some joke. I remember that the argument used to be "Well these people have to get to work so they need to drive, etc. etc. So you never heard of a bicycle?. That's right, a bicycle. That is being quite "liberal" with people who have never been given premission to be here by the general public in the first place. I worked with a women, years ago, who drove her bike, to and from work ten miles everyday. She had a drivers license ,but did it for exercise. But that isn't how the liberal mind works, despite the fact that liberal implies more, more options. No, what you do is set of an either or choice, it's what you have in common with El Presidente Bush, your with me or against me. My way or the highway. Just like the moronic governor of New York.

Of course Hillary supports driver licenses for illegal immigrants. That will allow them to vote in our elections. Democrats need people who hate this country to vote in order to win and they know it.

Simple concept I'm having a lot of difficulty understanding as to why it's not being done: Instead of spending our money to benefit illegals, how about putting it towards getting them out of here??? If the government needs help finding them, all they have to do is go to the next "immigration rights" rally or corner of a home depot.
To get a drivers license in California, you have to give a thumbprint, social security number and verification of legal presence. Why isn't this the case everywhere?

Ok CNN I get it... Lefties can make comments comparing our President and Vice President to Hitler and other mass murderers but I, from the right, cannot compare HRC to a well known character from the Wizard of Oz.

If the broom fits...ride it.

Careful CNN, your double standard is showing.

HH Pittsburgh-if you were following my posts you'd know. I am a legal citizen and always have been until the patriot act and homeland security imposed contradictory regulations on the SSA and DMV that bar people like me from obtaining government issued ID. This lunacy was foisted upon the public in the name of "terror" with the intent of pushing voter ID laws to level the field since no thinking person would continue to vote republican. This year,this patriot act was used to declare me an "unknown financial entity" thus cutting me off from my assets. If you read some of these posters claiming that I should be deported,you can clearly see the intent of this agenda. According to SSA officials,I'm only one of millions that are being persecuted by a politically motivated "security" apparatus. It's entirely a witch-hunt by this criminal element we call the bush administration. Right now,I cannot buy or sell property or travel or use banks. I was born here! I have twelve pages of documentation proving my citizenship! If they're doing it to me,a wealthy established landowner,how do you think the poor and elderly are holding up? This massive attempt of dis-enfranchisement is simply un-acceptable. My identity could easily be verified through my fingerprints at the pentagon. I want real ID that uses fingerprinting.No more cards like mine that can be made obsolete by executive order or congressional stupidity.

I think she's right…something must be done with this people,(inmigrants) they deserve I.D. or drivers licenses, but must pay fines, and get a background check. This is a free country with open doors to anyone.

Posted By Mariela, Los Angeles, CA.

Wake up, Mariela!

First, U.S Citizens do NOT owe Illegals a thing. Illegals do NOT "deserve" licenses. Licenses are not a right, but a priviledge to law-abiding citizens with valid social security cards. Being Illegal means just that – they are here illegally, having broken Federal Law by entering the U.S. This is not a free-country, contrary to what you may tell yourself. I pay taxes and work hard. Illegals don't.

Furthermore, NYS code requires a valid Social Security card to obtain a NYS driver's license. Tell me, how are we supposed to do a "background check" on people who don't have a "background" here in the U.S without a social security number and why is this law being ignored by Dictator Spitzer?

Fact of the matter is, the majority of NYS citizens DON'T want Illegals given driver's licenses. Unless Spitzer is planning to deport illegals (as he should), then there is no sense giving them a ticket to drive. And being that Spitzer was once NYS Attorney General, he of all people should know the laws and uphold them fully!

Also, what message does this send to those that are going through the process of legally becoming U.S Citizens? It's like a slap in the face to everyone abiding the laws of the land!

I suggest you do a bit more research on this.

"You cannot drive 10 feet in NY without a valid registration, Safety inspection, or insurance." -Tom

Illegals ARE driving all over NY without any of these documents, evidently Tom, you've been in Atlanta too long...

I don't believe it. Folks, she is telling you that massive illgeal immigration, with its consequent massive wage depression, and unending higher taxes–is fine with her. Hey, this is about the best gift any politician can give to you, the truth. I'm voting accordingly.

Is it possible for any Clinton to speak without speaking out of both sides of their mouth? How anyone supports either of these grifters is beyond comprehension.

And the difference between what she has now said and the comprehensive immigration reform bill which was so soundly defeated would be…………………….

The biggest idiots ( even bigger Hitlery ) are the motorists who claim there's nothing that there is "...no system that requires them to have insurance or anything else...".
TYPICAL HOPELESS CNN-VIEWERS....
IT'S AGAINST THE LAW TO DRIVE WITHOUT INSURANCE, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE DRIVER IS FROM....
ARREST THE ILLEGAL UNINSURED BUMS....
DEPORT THE ILLEGAL BUMS....
SEIZE & IMPOUND THEIR VEHICLES...
AUCTION THEM & GIVE THE MONEY TO THE DAMAGED PARTIES.....
Bunch of helpless crybabies....

Another ridiculous point of view on this issue, this time expressed by Hillary! There is simple no logical reason to provide motor vehicle licenses to illegal immigrants. According to Hillary, this will bring them out of the shadows. But to what benefit?? Unless your plan is to immediately arrest and deport them as soon as they apply for a license, what possible benefit to our Country does having millions of "illegal" immigrants driving around with legal driver licenses buy us? Nothing!!

"Those who have committed crimes, she said, would be deported." In classic Clintonese, guess it really depends on what the definition of "crimes" is.

Hmmmm... My last comment was there and then, like magic, it's gone. What's the matter CNN ? Can't you MSM types take a little criticism ?

It seems to me we the american citizens are getting force fed legalization of illegal aliens. Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton and George Bush all seem to have the same plan.

Amnesty with some minor consequences.

WE DO NOT WANT THAT PLAN.

We want control of our borders and ENFORCEMENT of current laws.

If need be New Laws to make the consequences of invading our country illegally more noticible.

The Clinton "spin machine" again at work. Hillary is 4 days too late with her response! If you don't have the courage or conviction to state publicly what you state privately on the same topics, then you shouldn't be running for president. I personally don't think giving illegals driver's license is a good idea, but am willing to listen to proposals of why (and what type of license) they should have. If you going to be serious about public safety (as well as public health) either train illegals or deport them on the spot once they are identified in an accident, regardless of family situation.

This is to garner more votes from illegals. Separate the right to vote from the granting of drivers licenses and see what her opinion is then. If the illegals would not have been here illegally in the first place.... they wouldn't have run into anybody. Your kidding yourselves. If they are willing to be here illegally do you really think they will adhere to any law.

I dont see anty clarification, cnn has become so pathetic left you cant ask a simple question. mrs clinton would you support drivers licenses for illiegals? she clafrified nothing and cnn you helped her to continue stonewalling Can anyone at cnn speak plain english? yes or no re licenses for illiegals

Yes, that is what debates are for. Stumble through them and clarify your position the next day after you have had policy advisors tell you what you should have said and what you should think.
What a great candidate she is.

She is trying to pass the buck here and blame the executive branch of the government for something the legislative is responsible for and that is immigration reform. What Hillary doesn’t understand is the executive branch implements the immigration laws her Democratic Senate create. Where is the NEW IMMIGRATION LAWS HILLARY? WHERE IS THE IMMIGRATION REFORM? IT STARTS WITH YOU HILLARY. GOD help us if she becomes president. This country will take a turn for the worst you have never seen before. A turn history has seen before. Even worse than Jimmy Carters presidency. I was a child then and I still remember waiting in lines for 6 and 7 hours to fill up my parent’s car with gas. This is what we are heading towards.

She is trying to pass the buck here and blame the executive branch of the government for something the legislative branch is responsible for and that is immigration reform. What the idiot Hillary doesn’t understand is the executive branch implements the immigration laws her Democratic Senate create. Where is the NEW IMMIGRATION LAWS HILLARY? WHERE IS THE IMMIGRATION REFORM? IT STARTS WITH YOUR SORRY ARSH. GOD help us if she becomes president. This country will take a turn for the worst you have never seen before. A turn, history, has never seen before. Even worse than Jimmy Carters presidency. I was a child then and I still remember waiting in lines for 6 and 7 hours to fill up my parent’s car with gas. This is what we are heading towards.

...pandering to the illegal alien vote is all she's doing. Supporting violations of the law? Sounds like she's not taking her oath of office seriously.

Don't give me reasons to support illegal aliens or to justify support for amnesty. They violated them law – send them back.

Although the vehicle codes require drivers to have insurance (or some type of financial responsibility), there's nothing that monitors it continuously. Having a driver's license or owning/driving a car doesn't (in reality) have anything to do with insurance. Sure, you can get a policy long enough to register the car, then immediately cancel it.

How do I know? Probably based on the number of cites written...

I am a New Yorker born and bread living in the south. To all of you that aren't from NY, this is for you.

In NY you cannot register a vehicle without insurance. If you are pulled over with no insurance, your car is impounded. If your insurance lapses, your license is suspended Immediately. Unlike the south where you can drive an uninsured car, with a note from from your mommy where the license plate should be. You cannot drive 10 feet in NY without a valid registration, Safety inspection, or insurance. All of which result in Immediate license suspension. ALSO, you cannot get a driver's license in NY without driver Training.

Illegal or not, NY wants SAFE, Insured drivers. I for one am for it. This is really a protection of American citizens against being hurt physically or finacially by illegals. It is also one step towards documenting Illegal immigration. This is an American issue, not Red or Blue.

I guess the "polls" the Clinton's live and breathe by must have been positive, so she could take her poll-driven stand. Too bad the polling was in California.

Let me see the Bush Administration has failed to pass a comprehensive immigration reform. Did I miss the part of passing that reform where congress is suppose to do their part in helping to pass it? And what happened to uninsured motorist insurance, under insured motorist insurance.

Ed of Ellenville, just how are we trying to "revoke" your "citizenship illegally?" You're either a legal citizen of the US or you're not. If you are a legal citizen, we can't revoke it. You said, "Every one of them (Hispanics) that's (sic) successful is a legal citizen." What? Is that according to you or according to the US government? Try to make sense the next time you rant.

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Enough with the Clinton's already! Why can't we move on to something more relevant?

Ever hear of the "uninsured motorist" portion of your auto insurance? This way your protected from the "illegal" who hits you and doesn't have a driver's license. I hope Hillary continues to push this issue. It will be her downfall.

All the Democrats save Dodd (and the possible exception of Gravel, we don't know since wasn't at the debate) share Hillary's position. So stop trying to make this about Hillary.

I wish the media would grill Obama and Edwards on this issue as much as they do Hillary. But then again, the primary campaign would be less interesting if they fail to find an issue to bring her down.

Hillary may as well have been on FOX given MSNBC's undisquised contempt for her. No one on FOX could rival their concerted efforts to knock her. Chris Matthews attacks her daily, given Edwards and Obama unwarranted passes at every turn.

Oh well. I'm guess glad she's strong enough not whine about the disparate treatment she receives from the media, deciding instead to just step up her game.

As a LEGAL immigrant and US citizen, you just lost my vote Hillary. What a slap in the face to the millions who have played by the rules

"that they had been hit in automobile accidents by undocumented workers, and they said ‘what are we supposed to do?"

HOW ABOUT ELECTING OFFICIALS THAT SUPPORT ENFORCING OUR LAWS INSTEAD OF MAKING IT EASIER FOR ILLEGALS (UNDOCUMENTED IN LIBERAL TERMS).

Anyone who ignores the will of the American people on the issue of illegal immigration will not succeed in the race for president. American overwhelmingly do not support amnesty - a pathway to citizenship for the 20 million illegal aliens living here. We want our laws enforced and the border secured. When that happens we'll be in a position to discuss the entire package of benefits - birthright citizenship included - that accrue to illegals and their impact on American taxpayers, social security deficits, and the medical services delivery system. The whole notion of "cheap labor," an oxymoron by all accounts, should be examined carefully as well.

OK,WAIT WAIT WAIT!!!

"At the time Clinton said the plan “makes a lot of sense"

NOW: "Clinton 'broadly supports' states' efforts to license illegals"

ok, Let's review the transcript before anyone says one more thing that is not true..... shall we:

1) Hillary gives give run around answer, that she now says meant (according to her campaign): "the plan “makes a lot of sense" "

2) Dobb disagrees that it is a good idea

3) Clinton responds "Clinton: Well, I just want to add, I did not say that it should be done"
-> Flip Flop 1?

4) Dodd: "No, no, no. You said - you said yes..."
Dodd: "... you thought it made sense to do it. "

5) Clinton: "No, I didn't, Chris."

OK, so at the end of the debate she said...quote:

Dodd: "... you thought it made sense to do it. "
Clinton: "No, I didn't, Chris."

SO IS SHE LYING NOW? OR WAS SHE LYING THEN? WHICH ONE?
Please clintonites: Can you clear this up given the transcript I posted above.

Note: I am not a republican, and she is not running against Bush, so don't make your argument something about how bad Bush is, as he is not running for president so it is irrelevant.

CHillary makes it clear – huh? Any politician who endorses giving illegal alien invaders ANY pretense of legitimacy needs to be shown the door during the next election – and please let it hit him/her on the way out.

And to those enablers of additional illegal alien invaders, allow me to point out that Oklahoma has already rid itself of thousands of these cretins and hasn't had to export any of them: they self-emigrated because of tough anti-illegal alien invader laws.

However, for those who don't self-emigrate, I volunteer to drive the bus to transport them back south of the border. Gas 'er up!!!

Giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants is rediculous!! The notion that by giving them a license they are suddenly going to obtain insurance and carry themselves as responsible citizens is a pipe dream – they broke the law to get here; they break when they drive without a license; they continue to live here illegally. It is like saying, "People are going to smoke Marijuana, and do other serious drugs, so we should just legalize it." Just because "everyone is doing it" doesn't make it right. Likewise, providing a driver's license, or any other benefit, to illegal aliens NOT the correct response.

I'm all for giving illegal aliens driver too if a trap door that opened up into a holding cell was installed at every Department of Motor Vehicles facility.
That may sound harsh and a bit crass, but as politicans continue to ignore the American public, all they are doing is breathing life into far-right groups whose ideas are far worse than this.

How anyone supports HRC is beyond me, it's clear to me she needed the 4 days to have "the machine" come up with the best "position". The "make it personal" person that came up with the Iowa accident protection reference while in the same press release taking the position "I don't want to see 50 states policies on immigration" gave her an out later – priceless!! This person probably just got a raise...

Clinton says... "Those who have committed crimes, she said, should be deported."

... haven't illegal immigrants committed a crime just by being here illegally?

DUH??

I think there is a bigger issue in this country with dads not being able to see their kids and all the extortion that takes place for this to happen .

I am assuming if they get a license they must have proof of insurance. How does an insurance company give illegal immigrants insurance?

PLEASE let Hillary TALK!

The more she SUPPORTS DRIVERS LICENSES for ILLEGAL ALIENS, FULL CITIZENSHIP for ILLEGAL ALIENS, and COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM – Code for making AMERICA into a subsidiary of MEXICO – the more UNELECTABLE she and the entire ILLEGAL ALIEN LOVING DEMOCRATIC PARTY BECOME!

I don't know what the law is in Iowa but in NY you don't need proof of insurance to obtain your drivers license. You only need to prove your vehicle is insured when you are registering it. Of course when Gov. Spitzer rationalizes bringing illegals into the system the press dutifully reports the cannard about insurance. Since we are talking about illegals to begin with, what makes anyone think they will spend the extra money to insure vehicles. Also what do you do with them when they hit you and they are uninsured, suspend their licenses?

"Those who have committed crimes, she said, should be deported."

So... I guess Senator Smartest-Woman-In-The-World supports booting all illegals out of the USA since they've committed a crime by entering the country illegally. Yeah and pigs can fly too.

This "lady" has no CREDIBILITY!

Why would anyone believe her NOW–she could not answer the question LAST week in the DEBATE!!-Okay–she answered it!–then she took back her ANSWER–then she took that back–in about 2 minutes. Now she has been TOLD by her HANDLERS, what is politically correct–and she has tried to "CLARIFY" her NON-ANSWER!

She is not a person to be trusted.
Her outer persona reflects the crowd she stands in front of at that time, trying to reflect their values–until the next time she is placed in front of her next crowd!

If you had to climb a fence, crawl through a tunnel or hide in the back of a truck in order to get into this country you are not welcome. Go back. And take Hillary and Eliot Spitzer with you.

Ah yes, the same old garbage from people like Richard and Tony from Tulsa. If you don't support illegal immigrants then you must be a racist or a bigot! This is quite often the arguement used by the weak minded since they don't have a legitimate arguement and aren't intelligent enough to form one, they just start point their fingers and screaming 'racists' 'bigot'.
You go ahead and hold on to that moronic view point, OK? I personally know a lot of LEGAL Mexicans who are absolutely against amnesty, I guess their bigots to, right?

This is a country made up of immigrants and founded on LAWS! We, the people, welcome immigrants to this country... LEGALLY! You ignorant sacks who continue to try to make this into a race issue are the problem in this country and the biggest reason why public discourse is so vitriolic.

i'd never vote for hillary. she IS the new world order.

Hillary was one of 38 senators who voted YEA for the comprehensive immigration bill. What does that tell everyone? Okay, for some, Hillary is able to tap into an inability to reason. For others, like myself, we are not buying one vowel or consonant that is coming out of her mouth.

Lets be honest here, Hillary and the rest of the democrats want illegals to have drivers licenses so they can illegally vote. What a mess it would be for each voter poll to have to distinguish between multiple licenses.

BOTTOM LINE:
Hillary and the Democrats are maneuvering to get the ILLEGAL VOTES! NO OTHER REASON!
She could care less about people.

I'm glad that she finally made up her mind about this. A day late and a dollar short.

She flips and flops more than a fish out of water, which is exactly what she is anytime she rises out of the swamp and walks into the real world, which is rarely.

Pick a position and stick with it dumbhillary.

Tony, Tulsa, OK
You are turning it into white vs. brown. Im talking about illegal immigrants, not illegal mexican immigrants, if they are here from canada get them out too, I could care less were they came from, I just want to know they will respect this country. comming here illegally shows no respect for this country or its laws. Now if Im still a racist, then good I can live with that, because when one side results to name calling, then I know they dont have an argument.

After a while the repetitive rants of these “Clinton Haters” are just boring. A Clinton supporter might be discouraged but her poll numbers keep going up. Most laughable are those which say “now I’m not going to vote for her” and even more funny is when they say they will now vote for a Republican. I think this is an idiot who before twice voted for Bush.

It is not the job of state or municipal police to arrest and deport illegal aliens. It is their job to maintain road safety. This is a special license similar in function to an “International DL”. It shows that the person has passed a driving test. The license cannot be confused with usual citizen DL. It could not possibly used as voter ID as some idiots have claimed. Even a Homeland Security official said, that although not sanctioned by DHS, it might have some value to them. At best, this special DL will achieve some minor improvement in road safety. Certainly it will do know harm.

Hillary said she understood why NY’s governor introduced the program but could not endorse it because it conflicted with Federal Laws. She said that Congress must pass some consensus immigration law.

Hillary is not responsible for there being 12,000,000 or more illegals in the country. Someone like her is needed to workout some practical compromise. 12,000,000 people are not going to be deported on rail cars as was done to Jews and others in WW11. Deport those who have done acts which are criminal when done by a US Citizen. Control the Mexican border. (Forget about Canada. Canadians know they are better off where they are.)

Elect Hillary. With her intelligence, diligence, leadership we can make progress in getting out of the mess Bush and his cronies have caused.

SEAL THE BORDER THEN AND ONLY THEN WE TALK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do want a drivers licenses Hillary but I can not afford $100 per month for insurance. If I had that kinda money, would I be here illegally??

Of course that doesn't effect my soon to be use of my new NY drivers licenses and of course, I do promise not to use my new drivers licenses without insurance...

When pushed for an answer on this issue wasn't it fortunate for HRC that there were "several" people at the event who had been in accidents with illegal immigrants. What a wonderful stroke of luck for her...our can you spell PLANTS by her campaign. She is so deceiptful, dishonest and slimy. And through all that nonsence she still gave a non answer. I THINK she wants to give licenses to about a million new voters.
Pander, pander then pander some more.
Obamam 08 or Anyone but HRC

Another Republican President...

Thanks Hillary!!

There are two purposes for this Democrat Party Action: 1). New Voters, ie. dependents and 2.)2010 census which counts all residents to allocate both federal funds and Congressional Representatives.

Stop this pandering to illegals already.
The people have already spoken, illegal is illegal and documented or otherwise is still wrong.
Hillary is slipping off into the deep end and it is fun to watch.

Ok. Let me clarify this for everyone.
If YOU are FOR illegals getting state licenses – Hillary is FOR them.

If YOU are AGAINST it – Hillary is AGAINST it.

Now, that should allow everyone to support her.

S,

This issue is about "the law" the same way the gay marriage nonsense was about "protecting traditional marriage." It's thinly veiled bigotry. Nobody is foaming at the mouth about illegal Canadian immigrants, or for building a wall on that border. Yeah, coming to the country illegally is, as you cleverly point out, illegal. But so is running a red light. Doesn't mean we should unduly punish the offenders for what is a crime that actually doesn't cause anyone that much harm. The real solution is to shore up Mexico's economy so that its citizens don't feel pressured to undergo the risks involved in emigrating here illegally. Anything else is a bad, bigoted solution that will result in more misery. I'm interested in decreasing the level of misery of all people, not walling off our lily-white neighborhoods from the "illegals" (what a loaded term! Am I an "illegal" if I jaywalk?)

Ok, allow illegals to get licenses. Then, when you have their addresses on record, you'll know where to send the INS to begin the deportations.

What part of "illegal" do people not understand?

Calling these people "undocumented immigrants" is akin to calling dope dealers "unlicensed pharmacists."

This is a lesson in how to kill two birds with one stone: Curry favor with the illegals and promote voter fraud on a massive scale. Few states require anything more than a drivers license to register to vote.

"Those who have committed crimes, she said, should be deported."

OK, that means deport them all, since they have all committed a crime by being here illegally.

Wow! I finally found a position that Hillary and I agree on!

Nothing brings out the irrational fringe in our society more than immigration. Just look at the overuse of caps and exclamation points as a prime example. Our country should resolve the more united position of border security first and then handle immigration in my opinion. It is ridiculous for anyone to think we are going to deport over 12 million people, so please try to be more realistic.

Clinton at least has the basic foundation right to get these people documented first (not far from the proposals of Giuliani and the other leading candidates in both parties), and then deal with processing them in a constructive manner. This country was founded on the basis of immigration, and if you want to get technical about it, most people that do not have American Indian in their family lines (and I do) acquired this land by their forefathers basically taking it away by force from the original inhabitants, which is not exactly a law-abiding principle by the way. We understand that travesty in our history has passed, but it does bring about an important point of empathy so lacking by many in this discussion.

So its a good idea to give people here illegally, that are driving illegally, a driver licenses so they can legally get insurance. Huh??

– Elizabeth, TN
– Jed, MN

I just have to ask this:

Just got a message from Walker: Huge PR campaign under way.

Now PR is as in Public Relations or PR is as in P. Rajendra (used to be National Group Head at NIIT, India Ltd. – A HCL group company. HPS-HCL Perot System was a joint venture between HCL and Perot Systems Corp).

Now Walker is any Walker or JeffreyWalker of Tenfold (a Utah based company that was in alliance with Perot Systems Corp). Can you recall Mitt Romney was Chief of Winter Olympics that were hosted at Utah sometime back.

Now Jeffery is any Jeffery or a brigadier General just injured last week in Iraq.

An example of how IDs can be messed up.

I may be halucinating but certainly not without a reason.

Does "illegal" mean they obey laws? Do all immigrants read and speak English? I know, what does that have to do with driving in New York or anywhere else.
Call me a phobe. In some cases call me gringo or anglo but don't call me a likely vote for Hillary.

She talks about giving drivers licenses t illegals but, What is Hillary's plan to secure the border? How will she make sure it is funded by an open borders liberal Congress??

Please Hillary, speak out of just one mouth on this one..

Tony in Tulsa,

I don't think you understand the issue. It is not about race, it is about being ILLEGAL. It is about being against the law. The second major issue is this: giving licenses to ILLEGAL aliens will most likely allow them to vote (due to "Motor Voter" no other ID to be required. Will all this pandering to the ILLEGALS, one guess who they would vote for as a block? And you thought Florida 2000 was a scam! Wait until NY 2008! This is beyond belief AND a serious security issue! Besides people what else is crossing our borders? Something to think about!

The general wisdom seems to be: Don't support or vote for Hillary Clinton because she is a woman! Vote against her because of the female-ist, socialist and deceiver woman that she is! Works for me, better than a mop!!!

Evidently Hillary and her 3 illegal driver supporters, don't understand the meaning of the word UNINSURED MOTORISTS either..

what does this say about Mexico's economy that it depends on the exportation of its citizens in order to thrive? there's something very corrupt and wrong about things down there; why don't we meet with Mexican authorities and help them straighten out their own country instead of absorbing all the problem people coming over here committing crimes and using social service s?

I'm sorry to break it to Ms. Clinton but being in this country illegally is in fact a crime, so by her own admission those who are here illegally should in fact be deported. The reality of today's government is, it is no longer "for the people by the people" it is "for the corporations by the corporations". Corporations seeking cheap labor send their lobbyists to Washington and bills get passed that profit only the corporations. Ms. Clinton is only playing this card to appease her corporate sponsors and to ensure more votes. We can deport 20 million people. We start at the factories and the slaughterhouses and the farms. We start fining employers who hire illegals as well as landlords who rent to them. We cease all federal funding of states such as CA and NY who harbor and protect illegals, we stop providing instant citizenship to children born to illegals, we stop providing free education and free healthcare to non-citizens. Once we stop offering incentives to come here illegally, people will think twice about sneaking across our borders. If they can gather over 100,000 in protest here in America than there is no reason why they cannot do the same in their own country.

Bush,Clinton,Clinton,Bush,Bush,Clinton

This is America's brain on drugs..

Does anyone think it's a good idea for any person to come into this country illegally to begin with?

If you cannot have an on line system to cancel a persons drivers license and registration then you cannot force illegal alien or legal residence to buy insurance they cannot afford becasue the next day after securing the insurance and using it to secure registration of an auto or drivers license they will cancel the insurance. If they are illegal aliens and are involved in a serious accident they will just flee the country.

“I broadly support what governors like Elliot Spitzer are trying to do.”

That doesn't sound like much of a clarification to me. Too bad the press didn't challenge her on claiming to clarify her position by merely rephrasing a vague statement.

What a genius. She met three people who had been in a car accident with an illegal alien? Does giving them a driver licence require them buy insurance? Wow, didn't know that's how it worked. Hey hillary, I met three people that saw a pig fly. Believe me?

80% of americans want to give illegal immigrants a path to citizenship

Are you kidding me maybe 80% of illegal aliens want it, the other 20% like not being known, I couldnt find 80 people here who are citizens that support giving them amnesty.

One purchases automobile insurance to protect himself. Sure, it's required by law, but ultimately the reason you insure yourself is in the event that you critically injure someone else or destroy someone else's property you have protection of your home and family.

So why would an illegal want to purchase car insurance? In those states where illegals are able to obtains licenses they typically open a policy to get the insurance card (for registration purposes) and then cancel it after the first payment. Go google it.

So I'm not sure how allowing illegals to obtains licenses impacts un-insured motorist accidents. I think it's, as has been stated many times here previously, that HRC is looking for votes.

As an independent my vote could have gone her way but definitely not now. Hillary-Don't treat the American votes as if they don't have any intelligence. We know you're a scam. It's quite easy to see through your duplicity. The past 8-9 years have been an very well orchestrated run at the Whitehouse. Hopefully voters will see that.

There is indeed a problem with the immigration system, and it needs to be fixed yesterday, but giving drivers liscences to illegals will do nothing but create a larger problem of rampant voter fraud.

Poll after poll has shown that over 70% of US Citizens DO NOT support a 'Comprehensive' amnesty plan, or the end-runs that have been tried (SAFE ACT) to get around our overwhelming desire for a Secure border, and Real interior and workplace enforcement. We The People are tired of seeing our wages depressed, our crime rates increase, and our schools and services reduced because the party leadership on Both sides is sucking at the tit of the big cash lobbies. We need to ween them.

And please do stop with the race-baiting etc. its not racest to expect our laws to be obeyed and inforced; We dont 'owe' anyone that enters our country illegaly anything. Least of all the ability to vote in our elections, which is exactly what Hillery et.al are aiming for with these laws.

There is a way to turn the ship around. The 'SAVE' Act by Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) This bill (it will have no bill number until introduced) does a lot of things to protect our borders and to help with interior enforcement…Its border protection and Employer Enforcment With Teeth and puts us on the path to a real solution to a problem that neither party's leadership wants to address. It's a bi-partisan bill that puts Country above Party for the first time in a LONG while and is worth our support. Talk to Your congressman and let them know how you feel.

In the debate, she said she thought it was a good idea, but explicitly said she didn't support it. Now, she says she "broadly supports" it. Which is it Hillary? Did you and henchmen Mark Penn run some focus group polls over the past WEEK to figure out the best position to take? 'Cause what you're saying now is NOT what you said then.

Hillary Clinton is digging her own grave.

This campaign is getting more bizarre day-by-day!

You xenophobic anti-reality zealots are getting very tiresome. What, tired of picking on gay people? Now it's time to go after Latinos. I fear this will be the big wedge issue of the next election. Typical. The right wing never fails to come up with some minority to demonize for votes. Clinton's position has been consistent and rational, despite the attempt at drumming up controversy in the media. I'm just afraid that in the coming months, rational arguments about immigration will be less politically expedient.

Last week she "understood" the governor's policy was but didn't endorse it. This week after being called out she "endorses" this wrong headed policy! This "soap opera" of a campaign is getting more ridiculous by the moment! What side will she be on next week? How fast can her campaign unravel? Stay tuned folks, stay tuned!

gigi schaumburg
as a right leaning person I agree 100% with you I live in south texas and see it everyday, they dont care about the USA they want the united states of mexico, thats evident with all the mexican flags being put up here. I know they're holding on to their culture, but dont tell me you love america when you fly mexicos flag over the US. They dont care about learning english, so long as illegal advocacy groups complain to get signs written in spanish. The US is dead it pains me to say that, but heres to the American Union, and I wonder whos face is going on the Amero?

I am against services and or rights reserved for citizens of the US being conveyed upon those here illegally.
Senator Clinton has been vague as to her stance on this position for a very good reason, she does not want the American people to KNOW what she stands for on this issue or any other because she knows we are against her positions. We have tried amemisty in the past and the results were that the problem got much worse. It is time for enforcement of the laws already on the books and for draconian employer sanctions against hiring or harboring illegals. It is also time to face the fact that illegals and other undereducated and otherwise criminal aliens are a drain on the US economy and have and are causing great harm to the citizens of the US. Why don't the politicians who are so eager to grant immigrants equal status demand that US citizens be granted equal status in the countries from which the immigrants come? At least that would be fair.

she "broadly supports" is this too Clinton double speak? When I say I broadly support that means that as a women/broad I support it.

These politicians are crazy if they think giving illegals drivers lic will solve anything.
#1 A drivers lic will not make them a good drive.
#2 If you think a drivers lic will make them get insurance your wrong, there are plenty of people with drives lic's that don't have insurance now.
#3 are the politicians planing on paying for the illegal's car insureance? The tax payer are paying for everything else now, ie food stamps, Med care and education.
#4 It's time to stop all this lying and close the border round up the ones that are here and deport them including the ones that are overcrowding out jails and prisons.

Hillary = "Slick Willy II"

I love when she says, "I've made clear on several occasions." Like it's OUR fault she's so elusive. I guess we commoners are just not intellectually nuanced enough for her highness.

Too bad idiots like us won't be able to figure out how the ballots work on election night. We'll probably screw this up too and fail to get her elected.

Shelby, Omaha Nebraska

She blames the Bush administration for not making laws?!
Hillary, laws are made by this body we call Congress. Maybe you've heard of it since you are a member.

What "Ms. Rodham-Clinton" and the governor of NY are trying to foist upon us is the most devious form of political machinations.

In NY and I guess across the country, you can register to vote when you apply for your license. This law was passed in 1996 by, who'da guessed it, Bill Clinton. Illegal immigrants are not going to have legal documentation stating who they really are, whatever paperwork they supply to DMV is going to be suspect but Jack and Jill DMV clerk are not experts in documentation and I'm sure the State and the ACLU will make sure that no one tells any illegal that their paperwork is not good enough. 12 Million illegal immigrants. If ten per cent register to vote Democrat, well that's just gravy for Hillary.

It does not matter if illegal immigrants get driver's licenses. That does not mean they will have or even can afford insurance. You only have to prove you have insurance if you own your vehicle. How many illegals have the money to buy their own car? Why is the Democratic party trying to deny this problem?

But the same illeagals who work for cheap labor are going to have car insurance...only an idiot like Hillary would really believe that..

I ask what happen to international licenses why are we given illegals state licenses .

Hillary doesn't seem to realize that this is an extremely hot issue and could seriously damage her chances.
The drivers license is our unofficial national ID and with it you have access to virtually every service.
I resent the position that the U.S. cannot get along without the illegals.
How did we get along before they came?
Rest assured that we will get along after they have been deported.
If illegals are good for the economy I suggest we send 10 million illegals to Mexico to help their economy. No way..They would immediately deport them.

Giving someone a drivers license does NOT mean that they will have insurance. To address THAT issue, state DMVs need to provide better coordination between themselves and insurers.

When asked if he supported licenses for illegal immigrants, Giuliani simply stated "No". Why can't Clinton EVER offer us a YES or a NO in answer to a question? I'll tell you – the woman is only interested in the power of the White House. She will say anything to anyone who can help her get there.

I wonder when people(Dems&repubs)alike are going to figure out,they will tell you whatever they THINK you want to hear???Then when they get elected they DO what suits them and the people who payed to get them thier??Bush the 1st dreamed up nafta,But it was a Clinton who siqned it!What we got here is a millonairs club running our country and its people in the ground!So as more and more G.A.Y. party members get caught with thier pants down and Hillary is the front runner I will still vote for the poorest canidate,he owes the least favors!!!

Clinton "broadly supports" giving drivers licenses to illegal immigrants? What does that mean – that she narrowly does not support the plan? Always one to leave herself an out, isn't she?

Additionally, why would we do anything for illegal immigrants? The key word here is "illegal". When they appear for their licenses, arrest them and deport them. Why is this such a problem?

This issue has always been about registering illegals to vote at the time of getting their driver's licenses vice motor voter laws? Proof: All we'd have to do to avoid the no-insurance problem is issue illegal aliens international driver's licenses – which happens in the US all the time with foreign travelers, which still require proof of insurance, and do not convey voting eligibility... But no one has ever advocated that. As I say, it's always been about the voter-resgistration aspect insofar as the Democrats are concerned.

I really fail to see why liberals want this? After all, they think it is ~ok~ for illegals to be here in the first place, many of whom rape, steal and murder us, so .. why the big deal about a driver's license? OH! Now I know – they want them TO VOTE! Silly me, I forgot ...

Any give away to the illegals is ten new votes for whatever weirdo mentally lazy superstitous slob the Republicans put on the ballot. Democrats don't be foolish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hillary approving of this initiative in NY says that Hillary approves of illegals being able to purchase a gun. And illegals voting. Of course she likes illegals voting because she will be the benefactor of that.

All 3 tiers in NY will give the applicant the option to register to vote. Once you have that voter registration card, you can vote.

Also, in many states all you need is a license to buy a gun.

WAY TO GO HILLARY!!!!!! You have got your thumb on the pulse of America. THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. You idiot!

By the way, thank you Lou Dobbs for not letting this go away.

hillary is such a joke.... please dont vote for this woman, we dont need someone like her in the white house and leading the country.

I made about two million on a forty-two thousand dollar investment. It's called intelligence and hard work. Now you right-wing nazi's are trying to steal it by revoking my citizenship illegally. You can't win,I can do it over and over and you can't even do it once. You Hillary-bashers are just stupid miserable slobs that get mad at the success of others while you wallow in your filth. You deserve to have hispanics overtake you,they work harder. Every one of them that's successful is a legal citizen. You can't take it away. Go ahead and try,it's called treason.

Why does Hitlery support giving illegal aliens drivers license's? Let's see. Maybe because her husband passed the motor voter bill in 1994, which lets anyone with a driver's license register to vote without verification if they are a legal citizen. She is betting on the illegal alien's to vote for her and her democratic scum. You thought Bush was corrupt just wait. The Clinton filth will be front page news with all of her corrupt dealing's. Vote Ron Paul for President!

Come on people, WAKE UP... Billery represents the "same-O, same-O"; doesn't matter which "party" they are "representative" of. They all represent the 'monied controllers-wanna-be' zillionaires, who want to keep 'milking' Americans.
I was a lifelong democrat, until I realized that each 'change of party' resulted in more of the same. I finally woke up to the REAL principals, and have switched party to Repugnican ONLY so I can vote RON PAUL.

The ONLY candidate (don't care WHAT party moniker he carries) who has:

Understood, lived, breathed, and Always voted following edicts of the Constitution.

Never 'stumbles' on his policy views to FIT/EXPLAIN/EXCUSE "why I did it"; thus is never caught in CONTRADICTIONS.

If we keep 'in-fighting' about minor issues, the BIG issue of our freedom and well-being will be further LOST for we and generations to come.

Look at where we have descended to in the last 20 years, despite R, or D 'parties'; which unprincipaled "leader" do you want to be at the helm of our beloved country, when we have hit bottom?

Wake up before it's too late. Ron Paul is the last chance for this country.

roccoco

So what are us legal residents supposed to do Clinton? Do you just want us to keep quiet and let our country be torn apart by illegal acts? Let's just give rights to rapist and murders too. Do you want us to go back to Europe? Man, I don't even know how I'd do that. I'm not sure where I'm from over there.

First off licensing illegals is not going to make them safer drivers, it is not going to make them have insurance, it is not going to pay you if your car is struck by a illegal with or without a driver license.

It will create a record of an individual for an extemely short window of time and give us an address. But if INS and local officials are not going to enforce the law and arrest illegals, whats a person to do.

Number one, an illegal or any one for that matter is invovled in a traffic accident without a valid drivers license, valid vehicle registration, valid insurance, they have broken the law. Haul them off to jail.

But that does not fix my car, well maintain full coverage, if you life in a state that is not a no fault state, get your elected officials to make it one and then let your insurance company take care of it, after all what do you think that you the law abiding citizen is paying them for anyway. Let them earn their money and deal with situations that are out side your control.

Ok, Hillary Clinton is a complete moron. Sure, let's have more drivers on the road. Lets teach them how to drive. Good one Hillary. The way I look at it is, if she win's the nomination its a waste. The republicans will come out in droves to not put her in office. Has she ever held a job or ever done payroll. You dem's are idiots. Enough said. TY

Whoever the GOP candidate is, they will EASILY beat Hillary, because (1) Iraq, as it calms down, will NOT be the hot button issue, but (2) ILLEGAL immigration will be... and 80% of Americans disagree with her on this.

If you come here LEGALLY, like everybody who passed through Ellis Island 80-130 years ago - WELCOME TO AMERICA!

If you try to sneak in ILLEGALLY... don't be surprised if you get punished fro breaking the law!!!

Hillary FINALLY kind of sort of made up her mind? She must have the polling results, which determined what she "beleives" on this subject. By the way, Bill Richardson Gov of NM already gives all illegals in the state a drivers license – the exact same license the rest of us get. No restricitions, not even on voting. And the Dems refuse to give the Republicians access to the records to verify residency for voting. So, illegals are using drivers licenses to vote DEM in NM – clear voter fraud and patently ILLEGAL.

Hello Hitlary?!?!? last I check The Bush Administration SUPPORTED Immigration reform, you and your Democrat tools were unable to pass it. President Bush can not pass legislation untill the bill is sent to him. Stop blaming Bush for your shortcomings!!!

What's next,gun carry permits for convicted bank robbers?If we reward one class of criminals why not reward them all?How about free cases of beer for all convicted drunk drivers?We can't leave out any class of criminals least we be guilty of discrimination against "those just seeking to better themselves."

Ed in Ellenville, where did you get your statistics? I don't believe them, and neither does anyone else on this blog. Most Americans and LEGAL immigrants do not want amnesty and a fast-track to citizenship for illegals. You can call us racist or anything else you want, and it won't change things. Haven't you heard? We have a war on terrorism. What, then, could be more stupid than letting our borders go unsecured? And we DO have EVERY right to secure our borders! I'm sure you would have LESS sympathy for illegals if you knew one-tenth of what is required for LEGAL immigrants. THEY have to get security clearance. THEY have to get medical examinations. THEY have to complete tons of paperwork, pay large fees, and wait on government bureaucracy in order to do it right. Instead, you want us to feel compelled to fast-track individuals who want US to accommodate THEM, and excuse their lawless entry, to boot. Have you ever attended a rally for illegal immigrants? Do you think the Mexican flags they fly mean that they plan to assimulate and be part of this country under THIS flag?

The Mexican government should provide for its people and solve its own problems and stop sending them across the border to us.

I AM SO GLAD THE PEOPLE COMMENTING ON THIS ARTICLE.. ARE NOT AS "STUPID" AS THE CLINTONS HOPE WE ARE.. AND THAT HER TRUTH'S ARE ALL LIES... KEEP THINKING THIS WAY... AND MAYBE WE MIGHT GET OUR COUNTRY BACK

MY GRANDPARENTS CAME THROUGH ELLIS ISLAND IN THE EARLY TWENTIES,DID ALL THE RIGHT THINGS TO BECOME CITIZENS.MY MOTHER WAS A CHILD AND BECAME NATURALIZED,HER BROTHER WAS KILLED IN WW 11,HER ORHER BROTHER WAS US COAST GAURD,LATER BECAME A POLICE OFFICER.WHAT I AM GETTING AT,WE MY FAMILLY DID ALL THE RIGHT THINGS,I CANNOT JUSTIFY GIVING AN ILLEGAL ANY RIGHTS,TO ENTER THIS COUNTRY THERE IS A LEGAL PROCEEDURE IF YOU CANNOT QUALIFY STAY OUT.

Hillary takes cash from terror suspects
Muslim donors targets of federal investigation

Posted: November 4, 2007
5:00 p.m. Eastern

© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., speaking during Oct. 30 Democratic presidential candidate debate in Philadelphia
Presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., has taken thousands of dollars in cash donations from Islamists under federal investigation for terror-financing, money laundering and tax fraud, WND has learned.

The Democrat senator over the past seven months has received $1,000 from M. Yaqub Mirza and another $500 from M. Omar Ashraf, federal campaign records show. Federal agents raided the Virginia homes and offices of the Muslim donors after 9/11 for ties to terrorism.

Others tied to the still-active probe also have contributed money to Clinton, including one Muslim man who after 9/11 complained the U.S. government should focus on changing its Mideast policies instead of killing Osama bin Laden and other Islamic terrorists.

Mirza, who also has given to other candidates, including Republicans, is said to act on behalf of Saudi millionaire Yassin al-Qadi, who the U.S. Treasury Department in October 2001 blacklisted as an al-Qaida financier.

More recently, Wachovia Bank closed the accounts of a shadowy Muslim charity supported by Mirza after an entity controlled by the Pakistani immigrant donated $150,000 to the charitable front, known as FAITH. The bank in 2005 cited suspicious activity in its accounts related to possible money laundering.

Mirza and Ashraf, who have not been charged with a crime in the ongoing probe, control with several other Islamists some 40 Muslim businesses, charities and think tanks known collectively by law enforcement as the Saudi-backed "Safa group." Their offices are located primarily at 555 Grove St. in Herndon, Va., a suburb of Washington. The Muslim World League, a Saudi-based charity linked to al-Qaida, originally set up its U.S. branch at that address with the help of Mirza.

Mirza in March contributed $1,000 to Clinton, listing his occupation as an officer of the SAAR Foundation. The Saudi-backed entity is listed on the federal affidavit for a search warrant in the original counterterror raid.

Mirza also gave $2,300 to former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore before the Republican left the race for president in July. However, Clinton is the only active presidential candidate who has received funds from Safa suspects in this election cycle.

Ashraf in August gave $500 to Clinton's campaign, listing his occupation as vice president of Sterling Management Group, another entity listed on the affidavit. His Herndon home also was raided.

In addition, Federal Election Commission records reveal a June payment of $500 to Clinton from Omar Barzinji, who works for a telecommunications firm as well as Amana Limited, a Herndon-based publisher of pro-jihad materials. Its offices, too, were raided after 9/11.

In September 2001, as rescuers were still pulling bodies from the wreckage at Ground Zero, Barzinji chided President Bush for failing to spend more time addressing why the attacks occurred and figuring out what had angered the Muslim hijackers.

"It's fine and dandy to go out and get the people who did this," Barzinji told the Washington Post. "You can go out and kill all the bin Ladens. But it won't change anything unless we change our policies in the Middle East."

Barzinji is related to Jamal M. Barzinji, whose Herndon home authorities also searched in their counterterror probe. The federal court affidavit alleges Jamal Barzinji "is not only closely associated with PIJ (Palestinian Islamic Jihad), but also with Hamas" – two known terrorist groups outlawed by the U.S.

According to a Sept. 11, 2004, Washington Post article, Jamal Barzinji joined his associates with the Muslim Students Association in 1971 in hosting the top leaders of the Egyptian Brotherhood for two weeks of meetings in Indiana. The Brotherhood leaders had just been released from 16 years in prison.

Jamal Barzanji, the Post reported, said he and his colleagues – who now claim they abandoned links to the Brotherhood years ago – helped persuade the Egyptians to try participating in Egyptian elections as an alternative to underground struggle. Barzanji noted, "It was one of our main contributions to the Ikhwan movement worldwide."

The Brotherhood – or al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun, as it is known in Arabic – follows the credo: "The Quran is our constitution, the prophet is our guide; Death for the glory of Allah is our greatest ambition." Bin Laden, his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri, 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and "blind sheik" Omar Abdel-Rahman all belong to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Two of Jamal Barzinji's closest business associates – Abdurahman Alamoudi and Soliman Biheiri – are known leaders in the Muslim Brotherhood in America. Both men have been convicted of terror-related charges since 9/11. The Treasury now says Alamoudi was one of al-Qaida's top fundraisers in America.

During her 2000 Senate campaign, Clinton took $1,000 from Alamoudi when he was head of the American Muslim Council. She was forced to return the money when news got out that he voiced support for Palestinian terrorists. (She listed his group as the "American Museum Council" in her donor report to the FEC, an attempt critics say to disguise Alamoudi as a curator rather than a terrorist supporter. As first lady, Hillary had hosted Alamoudi at the White House.)

Investigators say Jamal Barzinji also is close to Sami al-Arian – who pleaded guilty to aiding terrorists – as evidenced by documents seized in Tampa, Fla., reflecting direct correspondence between the two.

The Clinton campaign says it thoroughly vets all its individual donors for ties to terrorism and criminal activity. It's not clear if Mirza and the other Safa-tied donors simply slipped the net or if the campaign was aware of their backgrounds. Calls to her campaign were not immediately returned.

But another Democrat – Rep. Jim Moran of Virginia – was forced to return $3,950 in cash from Mirza in 2002 after the terror-tainted donations were revealed in the press. That same year he also refunded $3,750 to Jamal Barzinji.

Nancy Luque, a Washington-based lawyer for Jamal Barzinji and other Safa directors under investigation, says her clients do not support terrorism in any way, adding that the government is conducting a witch hunt. Barzinji has not been charged with a crime in the years-long probe.

Earlier this year, Clinton agreed to return some $50,000 in illegal donations from a Pakistani businessman after news broke that the FBI sought him for fraud. The donor, Abdul Rehman Jinnah, recently surrendered to U.S. authorities after fleeing the country. Clinton also has vowed to return $850,000 in dirty cash raised by outlaw Chinese donor Norman Hsu.

During her 2000 Senate campaign, Clinton had to return a $50,000 check from another Muslim leader – Agha Saeed – after it was revealed he backed Palestinian suicide attacks on Israel. She had received a plaque from him at a $500-a-ticket fundraiser sponsored by his group, the American Muslim Alliance.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58449

I just wish Hillary could give us
her secret on how the play the
cattle futures market. She is the only
liberated female on planet earth who
with absolutely no expertise made a
whopping l00 thousand dollar profit
on just a paltry l000 investment.

Thanks, Hillary. You have just lost the election.

An overwhelming majority of our country does not want to give amnesty to illegals, They do not want to give driver's license and photo IDs to those who break the law, lie and cheat. Every recent poll shows Americans do not want to reward illegals with citizenship. That is why the left-wing media has stopped doing polls on immigration. Did Spitzer say he would deport all illegals who do not have a license? No, he says he will never ask their immigration status. Every state that has license illegals has seen an increase in DUIs of illegals and higher insurance rates. Spitzer lies, and Americans die.

Hillary Clinton just lost my vote!! I have been a strong Clinton supporter but the way to enforce our laws is not to reward criminals. The best name for "illegal aliens" would be criminal aliens or criminal immigrants.

This is a disgusting attempt to appease minorities (those that can vote).

This should be our policy. COME OUT OF THE SHADOWS AND REGISTER. IF YOU DON'T AND YOU ARE FOUND YOU WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE DEPORTED. WHEN YOU REGISTER, WE WILL CONTACT YOU IN THE FUTURE ABOUT "THE PATH TO CITIZENSHIIP". THAT WILL BE DETERMINED BY YOUR CRIMINAL HISTORY AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE BEEN A PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF SOCIETY.

We then know where they are, and we haven't given them any "carrots". Unfortunately NO candidate will go that route because they will lose minorty votes

Perhaps some of you watched the Desperate Housewives episode in which Gabrielle (Eva Longoria) had an affair with a neighborhood teenager who did yard work for her. She became pregnant but didn't know whether the teenager or her husband was the father.

The USA has been having an affair with Mexico for more than a century. America is now pregnant with the results of the affair: 13 – 20 million (or more) illegal immigrants. Mexican workers were imported in large numbers to lay track for the railroads after the Civil War. Since then, we have routinely imported cheap labor by the hundreds of thousands, then millions, to work in construction, the garment industry, the hospitality industry, the restaurant industry, factories, and agriculture. In the American southwest, access to a cheap illegal Mexican maid and yard man have been considered a civil right for a hundred years. I speculate that a majority of Southwesterners who oppose illegal immigration will have a Mexican maid cleaning their houses, cooking their food, and caring for their children tomorrow. They have employed her for years and will continue to do so, all the while opposing illegal immigration. My farmer relatives in East Texas routinely employed nothing but illegal aliens to work their fields and milk their cows for decades. Now that they are retired, they vigorously oppose illegal immigration.

Anyone who has read a history book during the last century could have predicted that this growing problem would eventually reach a crisis point. Our leaders did not look ahead for the long term consequences but looked instead at this month's profits and next month's elections. The voters (you and me) who kept them in office enjoyed cheap prices, so we chose not to solve the problem in years past when it could have been solved.
Having lived and worked alongside illegal immigrants all our lives, we now pretend to be shocked that they exist. They picked the lettuce and tomatos that will be on your hamburger at lunch today. They will also be making and wrapping that burger and giving you your change. They built your house. They are cleaning your child's school today. They work in your day care center. They are driving the car in the freeway lane next to yours. They will put linens on your bed and scramble your eggs the next time you stay in a hotel. Their children are American citizens.

To deport these people, we would have to suspend the Constitution for a while so that our police can kick in the doors to any home in America in a warrantless search for them. It would take a decade or two to round them all up. Then we could pack them sixty to a box car in 333,000 box cars, nail the doors shut with 7.5 million nails, and ship them to Laredo, El Paso, and San Diego for deportation. The success of our deportation plan depends on Mexico's agreement to accept them. Under international law, Mexico does not have to accept them, and I doubt they would. Costs would be enormous. In addition to the taxes needed to support an extra million Bureau of Immigration employees, detention camps to house and feed millions of prisoners, and Justice Department employees to handle millions of court cases and appeals, we would have to hire expensive American employees to replace them in our schools, street departments, day care centers, factories, and fields. The cost of housing, food, education, day care, and government would skyrocket.

During this long deportation process, millions of them would be streaming back across our borders to resume their lives and jobs here. Also, our streets would be filled with the neighbors and relatives of those illegal aliens who would be protesting, filing lawsuits, writing furious letters to Congress, striking, blocking roads, etc. Mexico would likewise be in political turmoil since the money sent back by those illegal workers is the largest single source of income for Mexico. Millions of wives and children back home depend on that cash for rent and food.

It would have been nice to have solved this problem back when it could have been solved. It's too bad we as voters were so short-sighted for the last 75 years, always taking the easy way out and never looking carefully at growing problems.

In short, we really enjoyed our affair with Mexico but we got pregnant. Now we are mad at the father and mad at the baby. We tried to ignore the pregnancy for 75 years, but now the labor pains have started. It is too late for a cultural abortion. We're going to have to raise our baby.

I was hit by an unlicensed driver when I was 19 years old. I'm still paying for it with problems with my shoulder. He was a legal citizen of this country.

Driver's licenses are considered legal documents. It scares me that a sitting U.S. Senator ( not to mention presidential candidate) would advocate giving ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS legal identification.

Wake up, people.

This is a pathetic woman who will say or do anything to gain power.

So she supports this because simply giving illegals licenses will certainly ensure that they maintain proper insurance, right Hillary? Afterall, with everything else we've given them it's ensured that they take care of their responsibilities, right? Sheer idiocy!

No to all of the above – vote out the incumbent until we have a completely new Congress!

Okay, so you offer licenses to criminal aliens and they have what incentive to actually come forward? They currently don't pay for insurance and by coming forward they put themselves in a position to be tracked. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these people don't WANT to pay taxes, insurance premiums or anything else. They just want to fly under the radar and make money that they can use to bring more criminal aliens into the country. The only real reason to give them licenses is to that they can show up at the voting precinct in November and cast a vote for whoever has pandered to them the most. It's not really about bringing criminal aliens "out of the shadows" but instead it's about the votes. When a politician takes a position, look to see how he stands to benefit from it.

Excuse me Hill, but the last time I checked you were one of the elite members of the Federal Government, and your party was in power! If the Federal Government has failed to act on this issue, you are a big part of that failure. Have you offered any reform bills in the Senate? Have you led your party to champion immigration reform?

People; don't let Senator Clinton hide behind the straw men named "the failures of the federal government”, or "the failed policies of the Bush Administration." Let's hold her accountable for her own legislative record, and her own record of leadership, or its lack there of. Please CNN; help us hold her and the others running for office accountable. I encourage you to do the tough work of journalism that is needed in a democratic republic, and help us ferret out the candidates that are merely political manipulators, from those that are true leaders.

Daniel said (November 4, 2007 10:29 pm): "I'm really proud of Hillary for this — finally a courageous principled position."

Yep, FINALLY she took a position almost a week later. She went out, took a poll, asked what her leftist supporters wanted her to say, then came out with the results as "her" position. That's leadership, democrat-style.

Who says that a drivers license = insurance? Who will force the illegals to get insurance if they already disregard our laws?

ummm, deport those who have committed a crime ? Being here illegally is a crime. What a moron. Democrats, you deserve her.

"No one wants to see the immigration problem; just the logistics of deporting 20 million illegals is unrealistic." By Rocco, Wellington, FL : November 5, 2007 6:30 am

This is what's wrong with OUR country now-a-days. Excuses and laziness. We can deport 20 million illegals. It is done one-by-one with enforcement on employers. Have you watch media broadcasts of ICE going into factories taking them out by the hundreds? Followed by lines of AMERICAN CITIZENS the following day for those jobs. That's just the start. Just have to get past politics of this "your ripping a family apart" speech. We are not ripping them apart. The rest of the family can self-deport with them. Think of this, if the parents, who were arrested at the job site, are deported, the kids are likely to go also. So for every 1 or 2 bodies caught at the workplace adds approx. 3 to 6 additional kids. Now that 20 million drops quickly. Let's stop being lazy and GET IT DONE!!!

Who believes she actually had three people come up to her and tell about their accidents w/ uninsured undocumented workers? If so, I have some swampland in FL.

HRC is like the old joke about used car salesmen... 'How do you know when they are lying? Their lips move!'

I never really expected to vote for Senator Clinton but I did toy with the idea. This bit of pandering sealed the deal for me though. Now it's a decision between Obama's optimism and Ron Pauls pragmatism.

Ms. Clinton supports licensing illegals because it will result in their ability to vote in US elections.
Illegals almost always vote democrat which would insure her 8 year stay in the oval office.
I for one refuse to support any candidate that is for any measure short of fining employers, landlords for aiding illegal aliens and deportation for the illegal themselves.

Democrats simply cannot be trusted with the leadership of this country!

80% of americans want to give illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. The opposition to our national security here on this board is the 20% that the republicans make up. Since they're so out numbered,it's kind of silly throwing this voting issue out. Illegals with licenses still can't vote. Legal citizens being denied ID will lose their voting rights with voter ID laws. This argument is about republicans taking away voting rights from legals are claiming they're just doing it out of bigotry. Either way, it's despicable. With 20 million more democrats than republicans,they'll do any thing to stay in power. I bet there are a lot more phony votes cast for republicans than democrats with the absentee ballots. So what are you bigots? Or voter suppressionists? You're certainly not upstanding americans. You're a disgrace.

I worked for China Intelligence services as a colonel for 21 years and defected to Australia. Bill and Hillary Clinton are secretly receiving millions American dollars from China. China intelligant services in turn will receive milatary and High technoligy secrets from Clinton if elected. Bill Clinton makes millions for his speeches which are bribes paid by China for laws and favors he enacted. The missile technology he gave China is already in Iran and N. Korea hands and will be aimed at the United States.
America wake up and realize China is full of murders and thieves who kill anyone in opposition. Your Media has been compromised by hostile foreign forces. They will one day kill me like many others but the truth will live on. My prayer is America wake up

she's an appeaser and supports voter fraud.

it is her nature to cheat.

she supports eliot spitzer but disregards american citizens.
she has a disregard for the law and legality.

similar to when she was law student at yale and supporting legals research for the black panthers in new haven , CT.

Most the comments I've read are the usual Anti Hillary which keep the divide along party lines. No one wants to see the immigration problem; just the logistics of deporting 20 million illegals is unrealistic. I am beginning to think most Americans have no clue about how big this issue is nor what can be done to fix it. I think Hillary being the one of the brightest running for President might have a chance at a solution.

What happens when driver's license is issued, does that person also get to register to vote; ie Motor Voter bill?

If so this is far morer important than a driver's licence.

The idiot pool. Type the word Clinton and they come running like maggots to roadkill.

So if you are an undocumented worker, (an illegal alien), what difference is it going to make if they hit somebody, as President Rodham so eloquently stated that several people came up to her and said they had been hit by "undocumented workers", they are not going to be insured, most likely...same old BS from the Clintons. I hope the country decides to vote for somebody new, otherwise, it's going to be Jeb Bush after Hillary...yikes.

First of all, it is illegal aliens and not "undocumented workers". There is no possible way for her to know if the illegals that were involved in those accidents were workers or not, unless those people were purposely placed in the audience with a script to go along with.

Second, there is a section in at least california that states every driver on public roadways is to have in their possession current registration, insurance, and a valid driver's license. If you look under the following California vehicle code sections, 14601, 12500, and 16021, and 4000. Each section is very clear on driver's responsibilities. What illegals do is get insurance for their vehicles, fo into DMV for their plates and registration, then once in hand they cancel the insurance because they don't want to pay it. If that doesn't show intent, I don't know what does. P.S. on that note, I don't want to hear the reasoning is that they don't have enough money to pay for insurance or their family would starve because my response is "PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION!!"

As for the accdents and insurance companies. I am sorry if you really believe that we are supposed to pay insurance for when "we" or the "purchaser" of the insurance solely buys insurance in case we might do something to someone. No. We buy insurance (health, fire, earthquake, etc.) just in case something happens "TO US!!!" We pay all these premiums all our life to insurance companies, they should pay out no matter whose fault. That is why they are collecting our money. PAY UP!!! i.e. KATRINA (Supreme Court ruled they had to pay every policy holder their rightful share.)

Lastly, I am tired of hearing that President Bush isn't doing anything about it. It is mostly all our politics not doing anything to solve this. There are a select few trying to secure our Borders (i.e. DUNCAN HUNTER, and few others) but many are trying to force the majority of the VOTING public to take something we don't want. Do you seriously think those who have committed crimes and face deportation are going to "come out of the shadows" becasue others are being given amnesty? No, they will not. Then what, do we use the same excuse we use now, that there is no way that we can find and deport that many illegal aliens in the states and follow that with, LET's just give it to them. They mean will for THEIR FAMILY and THEIR COUNTRY.

"...but they’d need to register, pay taxes, pay fines, learn English, and wait in line after those who’ve come to the United States legally. Those who have committed crimes, she said, should be deported."
Does that mean if an illegal is driving around without a license, Mrs Clinton would have them deported?

Hillary's reasoning sounds good. This story is not black or white, so Mr. Obama can keep 'wondering' and Mr. Edwards can accuse Hillary of 'double talk' if they like ... what she says now is quite similar with what she said on Tuesday. She recognizes the efforts by governors to solve a problem, but believes the problem has to be solved at the federal level.

If everyone would calm down, and think, and actually read what New York is planning...it makes sense. The license regular Americans have can get them on an airplane and across a border (for now). We can show it is ID to vote. The "license" for illegal immigrants does not allow them those rights of citizens, it is merely documentation. Get it? DOCUMENTATION. And before they can get it, they would need to actually register their car, and get insurance.

These people are not going to be deported, they aren't going anywhere. So here are your choices: do nothing and just complain about them, or at least document them and make them get insurance so when they hit YOU, you get paid, unless of course you want your insurance to cover it and have your premiums increased.

Stop being stupid and playing politics. Do the right thing.

She calls them "undocumented workers"?

It's clear from her use of that politically correct term what side she's on.

Anyway, exactly how does she know they're working?

Hillary, we need you to take America back on its tracks!

I think she's right...something must be done with this people,(inmigrants) they deserve I.D. or drivers licenses, but must pay fines, and get a background check. This is a free country with open doors to anyone.

MORE MIRROR SMOKE SCREEN MISSINFORMATION AND DECEPTION

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YAWN! why did it take so long to clarify? she had to hurry and do a Poll. I am sure she will clarify again when she finds out that most Americans are against giving anything to people here illegally. How about addressing that issue? not just New York but the 11 million plus here illegally.

Hillary is so full of hot air. She'll say and do anything to win. Without the last name CLINTON she would be nothing. She has no experience for this job. Release the White House papers!

She was before the licenses before she was against them; which was right before she was for them again.

Just wait until public opinion changes; so will she. We don't need a follower in the White House. We need a leader; someone who doesn't change their convictions with the wind.

As for what those accident victims should do, how about trying to discredit illegal immigration supporters like Hillary Clinton?

For instance, they could point out that she's selling a lie when she says that "reform" would solve all the problems. In fact, it would make them even worse:

http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007189.html

If anyone wants to do a public service, do the job the MSM refuses to do: ask politicians difficult questions about this issue, and then upload their responses to Youtube.

Hmmmm...she seemed really, really shaky in her position during the MSNBC debate.

During the same debate Senator Obama immediate said "Yes, I support the licenses....it's a public safety issue."

Senator Obama made his comment immediately when questioned. No waffling. No polling needed. Just an honest answer from a thoughtful and decent man.

OBAMA '08! "Change we can believe in"

"there’s no system that requires them to have insurance or anything else.’”

Are you kidding me? It's called the Traffic Code, and they ARE required to have insurance and DL's just like the rest of us but they CHOOSE not to and they CHOOSE to violate the laws of our land.

My sister is a U.S. borger patrol agent. She says Ramos and Compean went against procedure and that's why they're in jail. Oh well. Learn to do your job properly before you go trigger happy.

What on earth does a legal license have to do with the latino irresponsibility? It's always the same answer, legal or not: 'Not my fault man, I got so many keeds.'

She's such a deceitful weasel. The FACT is that Bush, some republicans, and most democrats tried like hell to get the last "comprehensive immigration reform" (AMNESTY) passed but failed. And if failed because 15 democrats and most republican senators opposed it.

Not ONE democrat contender for the presidency has the spine to take a stand for the sovereignty of this nation.

Illegal aliens have shown a total contempt of our borders, our laws, and this nation. But if we reward them for their contempt they're suddenly going to be good, law-abiding, and grateful psuedo-citizens?

Mrs. Bill Clinton is driving on both sides of the road and that is hazard. What she can agree on Governor Eliot Spitzer on is this. New York is a Motor Voter Act state. As such ANY PERSON who applies for a driver's license (whether a secure one or one for illegal aliens) will automatically be given a voter registration to vote in the November 2008 election. There are up to 1 million illegal aliens in New York. This is one cheap, unethical and illegal way to get votes for Hillary Clinton and any othe candidate that panders to illegals like she does. Aiding and abetting ilelgal aliens is a federal offense (Title VIII sec. 1324). Mrs. Clinton is also spining the truth. When she speaks about COMPREHENSIVE REFORM she can MEAN ABOUT ANYTHING SHE WANTS because there is no such proposal, or bill on the books so her answer could cover anything that will get her elected rather than tell the truth.

She has stood strongly for AMNESTY. Since most illegal aliens (80%) are Hispanic and most of them are from Mexico, Mrs. Clinton's AMNESTY is DISCRIMINATORY against other races, ethnic groups and nationalities. But that is of litte relevance. The main thing is getting elected in November with up to 1 million illegal alien votes in New York State. How corrupt can a presidential candidate be?

She's still zig-zagging. She "supports what governors like Spitzer are trying to do," e.g. "bring people out of the dark." That is still not saying whether she supports illegal aliens having driver's licenses. A simple yes or no would clear it up, but that would be un-Clintonian. She wishes to be able to deny she ever supported it if necessary politically.

No wonder people are cynical.

How naive can you get? And how stupid do they think we are? Just because somone has a license, legal or illegal, it doesn't follow that they will buy and/or keep auto insurance. The rates of uninsured in Texas are astounding and they aren't all illegals. Just people who can't afford or don't want to afford insurance. That is not a reasonable argument for issuing licenses to illegals. But what is.

I guess she made the statement after she polled the US population.... Too bad she couldn't do that during the debate last week.

I don't know what to think of the issue but Clinton's reasoning doesn't clarify it for me. Why would there be accountability because these illegal immigrants have drivers licenses? How would that force them to insure their cars? If they are here illegally, why would they want to get drivers licenses, anyway?

HAHAHA!!!

Why are all her talking points taken directly from Obama's speeches?? Home girl needs to be creative. She gets funnier and funnier EVERYDAY!

"there’s no system that requires them to have insurance or anything else”?

How about our current laws that require all drivers who operate a motor vehicle to have a license? What she's really saying is that there is no way for illegal's to "legally" operate a motor vehicle. Don't you see the contradiction in that Senator?

‘what are we supposed to do? We’re the ones that were injured. Our cars were damaged, and we get no relief because these people have no accountability, there’s no system that requires them to have insurance or anything else.’

So what did the police do when they were called to the scene and found unlicensed drivers? Oh, that's right - "local" police aren't supposed to think about enforcing "federal" immigration policy... I guess they quickly looked the other way, so they wouldn't appear to be prejudiced.

Okay, here's the deal: The "system" that already requires "them" to have insurance is called the LAW - the same thing "they" are violating by being here, driving without a license (which they aren't entitled to), taking jobs that other people who are legally here are entitled to, practicing identity theft, using false Social Security numbers, etc etc.

I hapen to work in a state welfare office. I've pulled up Social Security numbers and found as many as half a dozen different Hispanic names all using the same number to work with - once it was the number of an 80 year-old woman; once it was a disabled man who had his disability benefit suspended because his SSN showed he was employed and "earning"... the list could go on for pages! Enough is enough!

What makes any moron think giving a thief a license is going to make that thief a responsible person, or even less of a thief?

There is abill being introduced into congress; The 'SAVE' Act by Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) This bill (it will have no bill number until introduced) does a lot of things to protect our borders and to help with interior enforcement...Its border protection and Employer Enforcment With Teeth and puts us on the path to a real solution to a problem that neither party's leadership wants to address. It's a bi-partisan bill that puts Country above Party for the first time in a LONG while and is worth our support. The SAVE act is the place to start; Call you congressman and ask for their support.

AS A LIBERAL FEMINIST WOMAN IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA I HAVE TRIED MY HARDEST TO TRY TO SUPPORT HILLARY!
I find I just do not support her stand on giving illegals driver's licenses, and her stance on Iraq just drives me further afield.
What we need to do in California is to PROSECUTE the people who cross our borders illegally and STEAL our resources. I have heard illegals say, "que suerte," when they get their medical and dental and kids educated here. It makes me ill. It is not "Que suerte," it is insane. Unless we stop all benefits and start prosecuting these people, this country is doomed. They do take jobs from Americans, I have seen it every day in California and it makes me mad. It is an urban myth that they do jobs we don't want to do! I have watched our kids not get jobs over them and when they do get jobs with them they are bullied into quitting. I have been elbowed and by illegals at the 7-11 and I have had trash talked about me at a local restuarant when I was waiting for a table and the waitresses did not know I speak perfect Spanish. Illegals are criminals and should have no rights and it should be a felony to cross into our country. No child born here from an illegal should ever become an American citizen. This country has gone mad. It is an economic issue. It is an issue of AMERICAN RIGHTS AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

Well, said Kim. The only reason the government (which includes Hilary, Barack, AND George W,among others)has failed to pass any legislation regarding illegal immigration is because the have only ATTEMPTED to pass legislation that the American people despise. They want to give them amnesty, we revolted and let them know we will not have. So the bill failed. When will they get it? We don't want you to reward these criminals for breaking the law. The "citizens" who voted you in office and pay your salary want them deported! Just do it, already!

The only way to make a real difference is to enforce our current immigration laws, stop giving illegals incentives to illegally cross our borders, withhold funding to sanctuary cities, and encourage legal immigration. The issue is not whether I feel these peoples' pain. I do. I just will not justify ignoring the fact that we are a sovereign nation with borders and we are a nation of laws. "A nation without borders is not a nation." Ronald Reagan.

This is exactly the kind of "blind" following that gets us nowhere, but one that doesn't surprise me at all – Candidates supporting fellow politicians based solely on their affiliation.

This law "Dictator" Spitzer has put together without a vote is not only ridiculous, but also violates NYS law. How is it that he can do this and get away with it? Then again, Bush has done the same thing in other areas. Is it any wonder so many of us have lost faith in our leaders?

LOL at hillary... she "broadly supports" is another way of saying she's dipping her toe in the water. Again, she's seeing which way the wind is blowing. Now that may be fine for populists, but it just accentuates that she doesnt' stand for anything.

Anyone but Hillary

Gee I think getting in an auto accident w/o a license or inusrance is criminal behavior! JUST BEING HERE ILLEGALLY IS A CRIME! FAKE ss#'S, FORGED DOCUMENTS, ETC – CRIMIANL ACTIVITY! THESE CLOWNS DON'T WANT TO BE CITIZENS – THEY WANT MEXICO TO COME HERE!

Hillary Clinton is so annoying.

What does it mean to broadly supports an effort that's not even clearly defined?

Wish the dumbass would give us some real answers to questions. Not that matters, I'm caucusing for the only Democrat with foreign policy experience.

The one that the media calls on when they have a question about Iraq, Iran or Pakistan...yeah Joe Biden.

Let's consider the facts about motor vehicles and the operators thereof: A street legal vehicle is titled by the state to the legal owner. It must also be registered with the department of motor vehicles and be identified with a set of license plates and a windshield sticker. In order to obtain these the owner/operator must supply evidence of liability insurance. That insurance must provide for UNINSURED motorists. (It's not just illegal aliens who are driving illegally.) Additionally the vehicle must pass a safety inspection and receive another window sticker. A driver's license is only incidental to all of this. All the huff and puff about making the streets safer is just a smoke screen to try to cover up the real reason for Spitler's (and Hillary's) ploy-registering illegals to vote.

She is insane

Yes make the immigrants pay taxes just like the rest of us..why should we pay there taxes for them to live off our land for free..And That Is Also A Good Way For The FBI To keep track Of them and those who dont Abide deport them

How about punishing the perpetrators rather then reward them with a license and ultimately citizenship? Isn't this more about getting a larger group of "victims" to vote for Democrats (who are the only true party that can be trusted to run the country and EVERYONE's LIFE)?

It seems that she is taking the road of, I have a problem with what I said, so I will blame Bush on this.

What is her policy on Immigration? Or is it what sounds good now?

Dig your grave deeper, Girlfriend. Hasn't Howard Wolfson told you how suicidal it is to actively support enablement of criminal aliens who have almost none of the rights which are reserved for citizens and legal immigrants?

And Hillary wants Mondales Endorsement ???

Even after it became known that the Shah was suffering from cancer, President Carter was reluctant to allow him entry to the United States, for fear of reprisal against Americans still in Iran. But in October, when the severity of the Shah's illness became known, Carter relented on humanitarian grounds. "He went around the room, and most of us said, 'Let him in.'" recalls Vice President Walter Mondale. "And he said, 'And if [the Iranians] take our employees in our embassy hostage, then what would be your advice?' And the room just fell dead. No one had an answer to that. Turns out, we never did."

Typical Hillary double talk.She said that three people came up to her and said they had been involved in auto accident with illegal immigrants so she was in favor of issuing them licenses. Will some one explain to me how being illegal but having a license improves the situation. Won't she ever learn that pandering to both sides shows her lack of leadership.

Nobody's being fooled here...she just wants the illegals to have driver's licences so they can vote for her....it's not rocket science...we need to STOP her.
Read her husband's autobiography where he gives her NO credit for any accomplishments in and/or out of the White House.

It's all Bush's fault, though. You know, except for the fact that HE IS FOR AMNESTY! He tried to bribe us with 4.4 billion dollars for a fence, if the bill was passed. Harry Reid addressed the senate with "The President's bill". So, sorry, this one isn't Bush's fault.

What I got out of this article is that she supports governors like Spitzer (not unlike Gov. Davis) and what they're trying to do about giving licenses to illegals, and then she says that she doesn't think they're going to just give licenses to illegals, when in reality, it's what they're trying to do.

Legal immigrants have never been in the shadows. And there are backlogs of thousands of immigrants who have filed paperwork and paid fees and learned English and have waited for a long time to become legal. How fair is that to those that obeyed and respected our laws? What's their reward?

In addition to giving amnesty, are we going to pay for their socialized medical care, pre-kindergarten, college, 401(k), and $5 grand baby bond? Free from the government.

So it's Bush's fault that the bill that Harry Reid called the President's Bill isn't going through, and she's for the governors trying to do this, but she doesn't think they will really do it. What a definite position.

If Spitzer gets this shoved through by whatever means he can, this whole country will have to brace for other states to do this too. Truckers beware, your job could be in jeopardy. Corporate greed will surely try to get the illegals behind your wheel if your truck is company owned.

This is obscene. Hillary supports giving a license to ILLEGAL aliens... These people have ZERO regard for our laws (as evidenced by their coming here to become ILLEGAL aliens). Now they'll get a license to drive? What makes anyone think that people who have proven their lack of regard for our laws will follow the law requiring insurance? How will they get insurance without SS#s??? This is either a blatant attempt to get illegal aliens the right to vote, or she is just 100% out of touch with America. She is the worst thing that could happen to America.

thank you hillary for one of the most foolish political stands in history. Even your state totally disagrees with you, along with security experts about the wisdom of this view.

Yeah, bush was wrong about iraq being a conflict that could be won, right?

Her plan to stop illegal immigration is?

WHOOPS!

That would require a specific answer..that will never happen.

Of course Hillary supports giving drivers licenses to ILLEGALS. In many states, that also registers them to vote and it is her hope that they will give her the Whitehouse. We, as a society, no longer value our nation, so why shouldn't foreigners who have "snuck in the back door" decide who our leaders will be?

Hillary is so full of it...

Three people came up to HRC in Des Moines all at about the same time with the same story about being injured by illegals? What a liar that woman is.

After years of avoiding the issue & days of confusion after the debate, Hillary's finally come clean...Not the question is:
Will this support for Illegal Drivers Licenses Help or hurt her. Will DemLibs erroneous belief that Hillary will guarantee a Democrat victory, trump their concerns over the national security impacts of such a policy?...

easily one of the most ridiculous justifications I've heard from a politician. they break our laws and we are to believe they are going to VOLUNTARILY pay insurance? what is the insurance rate on a illegal whose been driving illegally? $10,000/month?

For those of you who want to send all illegals back, please go to your fridge and pitch all fruits, vegetables, peanut butter, etc… Take your own cleaning supplies to the next hotel you stay at and find transportation on a business trip other than a taxi. The illegals you want to send back do many farming and service jobs. Jobs that are readily available and American citizens are not doing. You can't live with them and you can't live without them. We need to recognize the reality that these people provide a necessary labor pool in US. Finding a way for them to be accounted for and pay taxes makes more sense than cleaning the toilet yourself every time you travel.

As much as I think Bush is the worse President ever (I'm entitled to this opinion having voted for him 2x), his connections to big business are right on this topic. The farming and servicing industry would crash without this labor pool.

Making them legitimate in some way would force the individuals to pay for the services (health care, education, insurance etc..) they are consuming.

Anyone who thinks we are going to be able to round all these people up and send them back just have their head in the sand.

If they can find them to give them licenses, can't they find them to put them on a bus? Are they raiding meat packers to distribute licenses or send them home? Personally I think we can use everyone under 40 we can get but I'm in Florida where a good part of the population is statistically dead.

I must be losing my mind but there is NO clarification here. Editors – please print the rest of the article?

"Bringing People Out of the Shadows

America has always been a nation of immigrants. There are millions of people living in the shadows that would like to fully embrace our values and become full members of our democracy. For the millions here illegally but otherwise playing by the rules, we must encourage them to come out of hiding and get right with the law. Barack Obama supports a system that requires undocumented immigrants that are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, not commit crimes, go to the back of the line for citizenship, and then after all those conditions are met, they would be granted the opportunity to stay in the United States."
This is what Obama says about illegal immigration (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration_and_the_border/) . Please read it, and tell me if this is a vague answer to a problem or not. From my point of view this sounds very nice but it says nothing. He supports a system, but let's be clear he doesn't described the system, he doesn't say how to implement the system. Is this vague and calculated politics? You guys let me know.
By the way, I'm a legal immigrant in this wonderful country.

Get a license with fraudulent ID and don't buy auto insurance. what difference does it make if they cause an accident. You are still responsible. Thanks to Bill Clinton you can register to vote just as 5 of the 19 hijackers did. Feel safer now? People, it's about the votes.

And Hillary's plan sounds different from GWB's? It's a copy! Point by point.

4 days too late.

What I want to know is why people think an illegal having insurance is going to help anything. They're still ILLEGAL.

Does anyone really think they're going to bother following rules like having insurance just because they have a license to avoid getting arrested if they get pulled over for a speeding ticket?

If you don't want to deport these people than make them citizens and make them pay the same taxes we do, make their employers pay the workers comp, the minimum wage, and the social security.

"Those who have committed crimes, she said, should be deported."

Again, she is inconsistent. Being here illegally is a crime. By her statement, all illegals should be deported. But she conveniently ignores this minor point.

“I think that it’s understandable that states are trying to fill a vacuum left by the failures of the federal government,” Clinton continued. “That is not an answer. I don’t want to see 50 states’ policies on immigration.”

Then why doesn't she campaign on fixing this problem? If she does nothing like all the presidents before her, states that are fed up will keep tackling the immigration problem without the feds.

And whether illegals have driver's licences or not, odds are they're going to be too broke to pay for what they damage regardless.

I can't stand either party when it comes to this issue: Democrats want to get all touchy feely about it, be nice and give them amnesty every 20 years, while Republicans just get up on their soap box, get angry about the problem, then do nothing.

Dems need to ignore their pro "let's have open borders and let anyone come here" base of voters who are going to vote for them anyways, and spend more time on real immigration reform to sway those independent voters who are getting fed up.

HOW STUPID DOES HILLARY THINK WE ARE???
An indivdual having a drivers licence does NOT MEAN THEY HAVE INSURANCE!!! There are MANY UNINSURED MOTORISTS WHO
HAVE A DRIVERS LICENCE! Give me a break. This woman is just pandering to the left.

That is one of the biggest lines I have ever heard. This "clarification" is just to pacify her supporters. Like staddling a razor blade. They (the Democrats) want a free and massive influx of new voters, period. A driver's lic is just a ticket to vote without being legally here. Why else would you support something as blatenly wrong as this policy? What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand?

Hillary...your are truly an idiot. Sure let's give them a lisence to drive...and with this, they can vote. What a fraud!!!
WatchingHillary.com

What does "I broadly support what governors are trying to do" mean? So is she for it? It sounds like it, but not too sure. Or against it? Again, not too sure.

Come on Hillary, I'm trying to suppoprt but I'm having a hard time figuring out where you stand. In all honesty, I'm still in the dark about her position.

Maybe it's me and I'm short-sighted, but I still don't know where she stands. I'm trying, really I am. I'm telling you, if she doesn't start clarifying her position, the Iowa caucus is going to be a wake up call for the Clinton camp.

Wallace

Smart solutions to pressing problems are far better than ignorantly dismissing them. Knowing definitively who is here,who is legal,and who is not,is the first step in solving this issue. Bio-metric ID that cannot be faked is essential. No more cards. I don't want to go through this again in a decade because the card is obsolete or the agency is corrupt. My fingerprint is the same now as it was twenty years ago and will be the same twenty years from now. We have the technology. Let's use it.

SHE FLIP FLOPPED!

She said at first it made sense, but she did not agree that it was the best policy. Now she fully endorses it!

SHE CANNOT BE TRUSTED!
DEMOCRATS: VOTE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.

I'm really proud of Hillary for this - finally a courageous principled position. But check out the tricks the GOP is already using to benefit from this issue.

She broadly supports the plan, but when the specifics are detailed, she is against it. Is that clear enough or do you need another explanation?

Do you really want to do something Worthwhile instead of giving licenses to illegal aliens? How about protecting our OWN?

How about campaigning to FREE Ramos and Compean?

Every AMERICAN should Read about this TRAVESTY of Justice!
http://www.grassoforpresident.com/site/Viewer.aspx?iid=11853&mname=Article&rpid=3727