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And just who was Norman Shoo? What was he convicted of and was Hillary in public office or a private citizen?" – E. Elliot, Orlando

Norman Hsu was the Democratic fundraiser who had skipped out on some old legal problems. Sen. Clinton returned the contributions collected by Hsu in her behalf.

I don't support Mrs. Clinton's candidacy myself, but I must point out that Conservatives try to have it both ways. They made a huge stink about Hsu's relationship with Hillary. Now, they are saying, "No one mentioned the Hsu scandal, but when Rudy makes the tiniest miscalculation it is made into a big story by CNN's one world socialist/communist traitorous journalists."

Since all Conservatives sound exactly alike and use the same phrases, I think they must subscribe to a secret newsletter that contains the "Phrase of the week" for all Conservatives.

See wikipedia article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Hsu

And just who was Norman Shoo? What was he convicted of and was Hillary in public office or a private citizen? Darrel, Michael and Mary have it right. The corruption of the current evil regime has to be ended and Rudi, being of the Big city political boss mold, is not the man to do it, in drag or not. I like his immigration position, moderate gun control and Pro-choice positions. But he is so phoney a Bush league idiot can see through him. Imagime, when the country has been sold out to one set of cronies for 7 years, how could anyone pick a President who, like Bush, values personal loyality of more cronies over honesty or integrity? The mind boggles and the country dissolves.

To Bill who posted:
I love how this is such a "MAJOR" story, yet when Hillary had the whole Norman Shoo scandal, it only got an anecdotal mention.

Liberal media slant anyone?

Posted By Bill, Charleston SC : November 10, 2007 11:29 am

See classic example above of mis-direction from the Karl Rove book of dirty how to win at politics with a village idiot. The lemmings are at the cliff, time for you to join them, the jumping will start soon with the rest of the Republicrites.

Folks, every time an operative says look over here instead of at my guys flaws, remember you have the option to not listen to the mis-direction and remember that pointing out the other guys flaw does not make the other guy (who did something similar) ok.

We gave the Republicans 8 years and they hadboth houses most of that time, and they chose to bolster their rich friends, spend us into the biggest deficits ever, and leave a huge mess on the world stage for the next administration to try and clean up. Remember that your kids and grandkids will have to pay for the folly done by this group when they had the power and NO opposition. Time for them to go.

Good luck America!

Yay! Rudy for president, the new Tammany Hall Boss!
I want to see Rudy selected as the Rep nominee, his skeletons all but guarantee he will not win and we can try to get the country back on track.

Kerik is only the tip of the iceberg.

Run Rudy Run!

The Kerik indictment isn't merely news because it calls into question Rudy's judgment or vetting skills on one appointment or even on his recommending him for DHS. Rather, its real importance lies in the fact that it undercuts the core rationale of his entire candidacy. It perfectly captures the fraudulent nature of Rudy's entire Presidential quest.

Rudy's argument to voters is simple: He's the candidate best equipped to protect us from what he likes to call the "terrorists' war on us." To justify this he likes to say that as Mayor he shouldered the burden of maintaining the "safety and security of 8 million people," and that as Mayor of New York on 9/11 he alone understands just how frightful the terrorist menace really is and hence would be most effective in countering it. This is Rudy's central message: I alone am the best equipped to keep the country safe from Islamofascisterror.

It hardly needs to be pointed out that the post of Homeland Security chief is kind of important when it comes to doing this. Despite this, Rudy is the primary reason that a cartoonish joke like Kerik was ever considered for the all-important post of defending the nation in the first place. Remember, Rudy privately vouched for Kerik to Bush. If somehow Kerik's various shenanigans and misdeeds hadn't come to light in time, it's not inconceivable that he could have ended up as DHS chief, with potentially catastrophic results that would have been primarily Rudy's fault. Now Rudy is telling us he's the guy to keep us safe?

Pundits are awfully quick to take the most minor gaffe committed by Dems and use it as a cudgel to beat their central rationale to death. John Edwards got a $400 haircut? That proves his poverty candidacy is a ruse. Al Gore uses lots of electricity? Hah - his environmental crusade's a sham. And so on.

Your pundits are much more circumspect when it comes to Republicans. But in the case of Rudy and Kerik you have something incomparably worse: The candidate who is telling us that he will best defend us from terrorism cavalierly pushed a crooked crony, a complete buffoon, for one of the positions that is most central to the accomplishment of that goal. That is why the Kerik story is important and strikes what should be a lethal blow to Rudy's candidacy. And it would be cool to hear pundits close the circle and discuss this in terms just as stark as these.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/11/cnns_jack_caffe_1.php

I love how this is such a "MAJOR" story, yet when Hillary had the whole Norman Shoo scandal, it only got an anecdotal mention.

Liberal media slant anyone?

I like the Kick em Poem by Jay.
Final verse should be.
Kick em Bums out of Goverment office and into private citizenship.
Vote for change wherever you can find it.
NO WAFFLERS this time
Find a canidate who STANDS for something that is Good For ALL legal AMERICANs who abide by our laws and regulations.
What oh What have we become in the last 150 Years. We are suposed to be a goverment for the people and by the people. Another 8 years of leadership like the past and we will one more step closer to
DICTATORSHIP controled USA! Hope we don't secume to Marshall Law/ We have still got a choice so GET OUT AND VOTE RESPONSIBLY.
Vote for the person and not the party.
It will make America Stong again if we do.
Special Interest and Pork Barrel need to go the way of the Boston Tea Party/

Still another example of everything that is wrong with our system.

Who cares what Mary Snow, has to say!
She is nothing more than a lefty correspondent, like all others on CNN, I can just imagine her lacing into the Kerik situation, and downgrading Giuliani!
Do you all think. we are so stupid, their are some intelligent people out here, and are on to your liberal spin.
I will vote for Giuliani, he had made a mistake hiring Kerik, but I wonder if Mary Snow will bring up Sandy the buglar, and ole Hillary, I think we all know answer. Get Real!

I make my living off the evening news,
Just give me something-something I can use,
People love it when you lose,
They love dirty laundry.

We can do the innuendo
We can dance and sing,
When its said and done we havent told you a thing,
We all know that crap is king
Give us dirty laundry!

Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em all around

Dirty Laundry by Don Henley

Yet again, the mainstream media is making a mountain out of a mole hill. Kerik is his own person and Rudy already denounced him. The only mistake Rudy made was not investigating him enough. He wasn't complicit in any of Kerik's illegal behavior. I know the media wants to tear down the most electable Republican, but really Americans are smart enough not to confuse the actions of one person as the actions of another

Kerik is a crook, and Giuliani is a crook. Birds of the same feather flocks together.

We should all be questioning Giuliani's ability to evaluate properly those he would put in powerful positions within his hypothetical presidency.

More specifically, we should be examining carefully Giuliani's propensity for placing loyalty above all other character considerations (particularly frightening in that this propensity has been shown to be one of Bush's greatest flaws).

Because Kerik was so loyal to his boss, Giuliani, as mayor, elevated him to powerful positions. He then took him on as a business partner. He then tried to get him a position as homeland security chief.

At the same time we should be cautious about a candidate who has such a conveniently poor memory. Guiliani now says he forgot he was advised of Kerik's mob connections - just like he claimed in his petition for an annulment from his first wife (to whom he had been married for 14 years): he supposedly had forgotten she was his second cousin.