November 14, 2007
Posted: 07:40 PM ET

Clinton said Wednesday she is against a program that gives driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

WASHINGTON (CNN) – After New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer ended his bid to provide driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, Sen. Hillary Clinton's rivals came out swinging against the Democratic presidential hopeful for her reaction.

A spokeswoman for Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Connecticut, called her action "flip-flopping cubed."

Bill Burton, a spokesman for Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, also sharply criticized Clinton for switching her views on the issue.

"When it takes two weeks and six different positions to answer one question on immigration, it's easier to understand why the Clinton campaign would rather plant their questions than answer them,” Burton said.

Clinton received flak for saying that his plan made "a lot of sense" during a debate in late September. But on Wednesday, she said she is supporting Spitzer's decision to withdraw the proposal and blamed Congress and the White house for failing to pass comprehensive immigration reform.

"As president, I will not support drivers' licenses for undocumented people and will press for comprehensive immigration reform that deals with all of the issues around illegal immigration including border security and fixing our broken system," Clinton said in a statement.

– CNN Associate Producer Lauren Kornreich

Filed under: Presidential Candidates


Rick, Chicago Illinois   November 18th, 2007 12:29 am ET

Tom – Dedham, Mass,

I wasn’t posting to defend Hillary, I was posting to show Shawnie’s hypocrisy.

See, I could care less if the “queen is getting burned” since I don’t support her for my own reasons. Now, that being said, I’m going to assume here that you aren’t accusing me of supporting her with your post – cuz you’d be an idiot if you were.

I wanted to see if SHAWNIE could list anything remotely close to 10 flip flops about Hillary, since she supports Romney – someone who’s flip-flopped on WAY more issues than Hillary.

By the way, you listed 4 issues that Hillary flip-flopped on – immigration/citizenship, invasion approval, troop withdrawal, and torture.

Now go back and count, from my last post, how many issues Romney flip-flopped on.

Oh, and of course – STILL no response from Shawnie! LOL

orrin, trenton NE   November 15th, 2007 10:07 pm ET

she shouldn't have changed her mind on the issue after she already said the opposite. I think that illegal immigrants should not be granted licenses because they shouldnt be here in the first place.Many people will probably criticize hillary for changing her opinion.Also i think it could hurt her race for president because of her uncertainty on important issues.

cory, douglas, ga   November 15th, 2007 2:00 pm ET

Hilary, you are still the best! I would rather you say what you are saying than dealing with Obama who is so inesperience and cold. I can see growth for you in the future and God will bless you. You are a strong woman and great leader and will be my Prime MInister. Way to go……

t   November 15th, 2007 12:54 pm ET

After New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer ended his bid to provide driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, Sen. Hillary Clinton's rivals came out swinging against the Democratic presidential hopeful for her reaction.

Sen. Hillary Clinton; the Democratic presidential hopeful should have a reaction when some of truths shall eventually emerge into the light.

What is amazing is; "How" could the American people be so ignorant to
elect this guy President for a second term???
P.S. Note who pardoned Bill Clinton for Draft Dodging.

Subject: Bill Clinton

Bill &Hillary, 1970

BILL CLINTON's MILITARY CAREER

(Bill & Hillary – Grit your teeth before you read this!)

Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964,
accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft.
Selective Service Number is 326 46 228.

Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968.

Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969.

Bill Clinton refuses to report and is not inducted into the military.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United
States Army Reserves on August 07, 1969, under authority of COL. E. Holmes.

Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.

Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as
enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton
now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2) (a) registrant
who has failed to report…remain liable for induction.

Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn
December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for
induction is INELIGIBLE!

Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.

Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice.

Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977, from President Carter.

Bill Clinton becomes the FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to
serve as President of the United States.

All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests,
public laws, and various books that have been published, and have not been
refuted by Clinton.

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, President Clinton
promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S.
military personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible
would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which
killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel, Clinton promised that
those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which
killed 224 and injured 5,000, Clinton promised that those responsible would
be hunted down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and
injured 39 U.S. sailors, Clinton promised that those responsible be hunted
down and punished.

Maybe if Clinton had kept those promises, an estimated 3,000
people in New York and Washington, DC. Who are now dead would be alive
today.

THINK ABOUT IT! It is a strange turn of events. Hillary gets $8
Million for her forthcoming memoir. Bill gets about $12
Million for his memoir yet to be written. This is from two people who spent 8
years being unable to recall anything about past events while under oath.

William Hurst Seattle, Washington   November 15th, 2007 12:40 pm ET

Geeeeeeeeeeeez. Finally, it took weeks but we finally got the answer, of course I thought she had given it a couple of times before, now I am more confused then ever! is this finally it? or is she going to "answer" again. Also that only took me 15 seconds to read, so why exactly couldn't she answer it in 30 secs.?

Kate, Aurora CO   November 15th, 2007 12:35 pm ET

Hint: when Hillary says she will "..press for comprehensive reform.." its a pretty safe bet that nothing will happen. Out of all the candidates, Hillary has the most lobbyist backing and contributions. The corporations that are financing her campaign enjoy the benefits of illegal immigration ie, cheap labor, so don't get your hopes up. She'll do exactly what her husband did. Ignore the problem.

Tom - Dedham, Mass   November 15th, 2007 12:30 pm ET

Rick from Chicago, these are a "few" of my favorite things:

2008 presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton has complained that some Republicans want to impose a "police state" to deal with illegal immigration, arguing instead that illegals should be allowed to earn their U.S. citizenship.

But just three short years ago, Mrs. Clinton took a different tact, boasting that she was "adamantly against" foreigners who enter the country illegally and saying that the U.S. should consider imposing a national ID card system.

"I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants," Clinton said in a Feb. 2003 radio interview.

Clinton said the U.S. "might have to move toward an ID system even for citizens" in order to combat illegal border crossings, or implement "at least a visa ID, some kind of an entry and exit ID."

• On October 10, 2002, Clinton spoke to the Senate in favor of a use-of-force resolution authorizing the invasion of Iraq, saying: "The facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt.”

• On December 15, 2003, when it was clear there were no large stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Clinton’s support was unwavering. "I was one who supported giving President Bush the authority, if necessary, to use force,” she told the Council on Foreign Relations. "We have no option but to stay involved and committed.”

• On April 20, 2004, Clinton told CNN’s Larry King that she did not "regret giving the president the authority,” noting that Saddam Hussein "had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade.”

• In October 2005, amid growing anti-war sentiment, Clinton still told the Village Voice: "I don’t believe it’s smart to set a date for withdrawal . . . I don’t think it’s the right time to withdraw.”

• By November 2005, Hillary was softening her stance, saying in a letter to constituents: "If Congress had been asked [to authorize the war], based on what we know now, we never would have agreed.”

• On December 18, 2006, Clinton went even further, saying on the "Today” show: "I certainly wouldn’t have voted that way.”

• On January 13 of this year, Clinton spoke from Baghdad about President Bush’s call for a troop surge: "I don’t know that the American people or the Congress at this point believe this mission can work.”

• Finally, on January 27, Clinton hit the campaign trail in Iowa and demanded that the president "extricate our country from this before he leaves office.”

But she recently said that you can't look that far ahead and 2013 was more accurate.

On torture:
"It cannot be American policy, period," Clinton (D-N.Y.) recently told debate moderator Tim Russert, who asked if there should be a presidential exemption to allow the torture of a terror chieftain if authorities knew a bomb was about to go off, but didn't know where it was.

But last October, Clinton told the Daily News: "If we're going to be preparing for the kind of improbable but possible eventuality, then it has to be done within the rule of law."

In the event we were ever confronted with having to interrogate a detainee with knowledge of an imminent threat to millions of Americans, then the decision to depart from standard international practices must be made by the President, and the President must be held accountable," she said.

I could go on but I don’t think CNN has enough disk space on their drives to support the amount of data that could be posted (especially if scandals were included in your request). That’s ok though, you will see all that is “Clinton” next year, the ads are being worked on as we speak.

Oh yeah Rick, the "heat" has been turned up alright and the "queen" is getting grilled.

Greg, NYC, NY   November 15th, 2007 11:55 am ET

hey Bill- I'll never vote for her and I am a dem. and I won't complain. I never want to see her as president. enough of the last 20 years of Bush/Clinton rule/regime. time to sweep this family dynasty out.

Don, Orlando, FL   November 15th, 2007 11:50 am ET

Ok, go back to your hole lady. take Biden and Dodd with you. maybe even Edwards. check that, take all the others that are affiliated with the CFR with you.

PollM, Dallas Tx   November 15th, 2007 11:41 am ET

Should Candidates adjust their decisions and policies around consensus or maintain principal ahead?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=989

Randy S. Lawton, OK   November 15th, 2007 11:22 am ET

Rick from Chicago: You're probably right, it may be difficult to catch Hilary in 11 flip-flops. The reason being if she's not taking both side of an issue, she's not coming down on either side.
So I guess technically flip-flopping is not what she's guilty of. How about wishy-washy, evasive, non-committal, two-faced, fork-tongued.. I could go on, but yup you got me; she's definitely not a flip-flopper.

Hope it makes your day.

Linda - Albany, NY   November 15th, 2007 10:07 am ET

And this is surprising, how? Hillary has a long record of flip-flopping, so it should be expected. Changing your mind on a stance is one thing, but changing direction like the wind is quite another.

DMW, Roeland Park, KS   November 15th, 2007 10:02 am ET

I would think we'd want a person running for President who can change their mind. I have gone through 8 years of a President who will stay the course do matter how wrong it is. Is that a good thing? No it is not!!!

I think it is of good character to say I've changed my mind. Personally, as a human being, I've changed my mind around many issues as time goes by based on more experience and exposure to situations. It is a sign of maturity.

Hillary is a good person.

Ryan Indianapolis   November 15th, 2007 9:54 am ET

Clinton has been exposed so badly this could essential take her down in the general election if she makes it that far. So many of my collegues that are democrats are so upset with her from her performance in the last debate and showing how vulnerable she is on this issue that they are thinking of voting for Obama. Hillary if your people are reading this , you really screwed up and the Public has caught on to your game. You are not fooling anyone.

Kevin   November 15th, 2007 9:34 am ET

Bill, she never said that. First, she said that the governor's plan (giving licenses to illegals) "makes a lot of sense" and then when Spitzer abandoned it, she said that she "against giving licenses to illegals." If that isn't flip-flopping I don't know what is. Why are people so blindly supporting her?

I really don't like Bush, but I think that if Hillary is elected this country has a lot farther to fall than it already has. Hillary would be a disaster for this country. Please do not vote for her!

Steve in SC   November 15th, 2007 9:25 am ET

First she supports, then she doesn't. Lady, can we get just ONE straight answer to anything?

Barry (Chicago, IL)   November 15th, 2007 8:59 am ET

It absolutely not flip-flopping. It's a shame our candidates are stooping to these Republican attacks. Chris Dodd was losing to Stephen Colbert in a national poll, I think it's time he drops outs!

If you don't like Hillary, that's fine. But if you're a Democrat, don't smudge the facts to try and beat her.

Bill (Washington, DC)   November 15th, 2007 8:54 am ET

Wait, what doesn't anyone understand? She said she supports a governor making a state decision on illegal immigration because the federal government will not fix the problem. But as president (which is different than a governor) she would not support such a plan at the federal level (federal and state being different also). Seems to make sense to me.

If your a Democrat and don't vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination, don't complain during the next four Republican years.

Ivelisse   November 15th, 2007 8:34 am ET

I don't see what's the big deal… I'm not a fan of the woman, but she asnwered the question like the LAWYER she is… she like the idea of somebody doing something (the governor thinking about it and trying to do something) but will not compromise to the actual legislation, because she HAVE NOT read it…. Lawyers do not sign without reading!!!!!!

Dave in Tampa Bay, Florida   November 15th, 2007 8:31 am ET

Well. That's. Finally. Decided.

Hillary – the Saran Wrap candidate.
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Tough but toally transparent.

BTW CNN – deleting or 'moderating' my comment last night ( the same one I've just reposted) was inappropriate considering the kinds of screeds I've seen tossed at other candidates and the president in general.

Russ Fitzgerald, Lexington, SC   November 15th, 2007 8:19 am ET

Daniel; "Massive leads?" What poll are you reading? I think people are realizing that another Clinton administration is not what this country needs.

Anonymous, Newport News, VA   November 15th, 2007 7:49 am ET

Just another example of saying what people want to hear. Someone once called her a "wind sock"…sounds appropriate to me.

I recall Hillary recently blasting the current administration (no surprise there), but the issue was "outsourcing" and how Bush had shown a lack of leadership to stem the tide of outsourcing. Well, from the archives comes this:

Reference: Online Asia Times
http://www.atimes.com

From Article Entitled: "HILLARY WOOS INDIA", dated March 1, 2005

"…Hillary Clinton made it apparent where she stood on outsourcing during her India visit, in an attempt perhaps to clear the Indian misgivings received during the Kerry campaign. "There is no way to legislate against reality. Outsourcing will continue," she told an audience of Indian big-wigs. She pointed out that there were 3 billion people who feel left behind and are trying to attack the modern world in the hope of turning the clock back on globalization. "It is not far-fetched to imagine … if the Indian miracle would be the one of choice of those who feel left behind," said Hillary.

Hillary has been at the forefront in defending free trade and outsourcing. During the height of the anti-outsourcing backlash in the US last year, she faced considerable flak for defending Indian software giant Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) for opening a center in Buffalo, New York. "We are not against all outsourcing; we are not in favor of putting up fences," Hillary said firmly, despite inevitably invoking the ire of the anti-free trade brigade."

SOUNDS LIKE A HYPROCRIT TO ME!!!!

Mary, Beaver, PA   November 15th, 2007 7:38 am ET

Well, today, Clinton doesn't support giving drivers' licenses to "undocumented people." Yesterday, she did. What position will she take tomorrow?

I hope that everyone who is undecided is taking a good look at her vague comments and shifting stands on important issues. As for her die-hard supporters who won't be moved regardless of how many times she's moved, they are as obtuse as the die-hards on the other side of the aisle.

Rick, Chicago Illinois   November 15th, 2007 2:05 am ET

Shawnie – Grants Pass, OR,

"Flip-flopping cubed" is right!"

And this is coming from someone who is supporting WHO again … ROMNEY? LOL!

Feel free to step up and list as many flip flops from Hillary as I have from Romney.

Got game? Here we go …

A (probably only PARTIAL)list of Romney's flip flops:

1) He was a liberal in Massachusetts, where he TWICE ran for statewide office as a pro-CHOICE candidate but now says he opposes Roe v. Wade;

2) he was dedicated to "full equality for America's gay and lesbian citizens" and now describes himself as "a champion of traditional marriage";

3) he signed a no-new-tax pledge (that he once mocked) in an attempt to hide his tax-raising record;

4) in Massachusetts, he bucked the National Rifle Association by supporting the Brady Bill and an assault-weapons ban, boasting, "I don't line up with the NRA.", yet (in August of 2006) he bragged that he joined the gun-rights organization as a life member;

5) he was FOR gays serving open in the military before he was AGAINST it;

6) he endorsed federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research in 2005, but now claims he opposes it;

7) he may or may not be an avid hunter since he said "I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter pretty much all my life," he told a man sporting a National Rifle Association cap – even though he’s been on a total of TWO hunting trips in his 60 years!;

8) Romney said he doesn’t believe in overturning juries, yet he fully supported Dubya’s commuting of Scooter Libby’s sentence before a single day of jail time was ever served;

9) thinks that his sons driving around in SUVs to campaign for him is equal to, or better than, serving his country helping patrol the streets of Baghdad then said he doesn’t;

10) flip-flopped on amnesty for illegals when he criticized cities that offer sanctuary to illegals via a radio ad saying: "Immigration laws don't work if they're ignored. Legal immigration is great, but illegal immigration, that we've got to end. And amnesty is not the way to do it.". But this was AFTER he said he supported selective amnesty (to those who have ignored and BROKEN those same immigration laws by coming here and staying here ILLEGALLY) in the March 30, 2006 Lowell Sun, saying: “I don’t believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at gunpoint from our country …Those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship, as they would from their home country.”

Well Shawnie? I'm waiting … for at least ELEVEN Hillary flip flops on her campaign!

Let me guess, like most repubs, you'll never actually put up when called out right?

Or will you duck my challenge entirely and reply with the usual "But .. but .. it … WASN'T a … flop flop!"

From past experience, I'd say the smart money is on you doing BOTH!

I'll be watching and waiting …

Cheryl Keeler,Denver,NC   November 15th, 2007 1:40 am ET

I changed my voter registration to independent,hoping someone with some real common sense and ideas that are good for America and not big business decides to run. Watch Hillary…everytime someone says something she wishes she had said she looks like a grinning bobblehead.I don't think the woman has an original idea..her handlers come up with some doozies.

my911call, North Carolina   November 15th, 2007 12:36 am ET

Tough times for Clinton.
But I still believe she would make the better president. The illegal issue is very complex. That is why no one have been able to do anything about it.
I would still bet on her to solve the complex issues in a fair and just manner.

Colin742   November 15th, 2007 12:27 am ET

This is a message to CNN. Every comment I post on CNN Sticker stories displays on my computer preceded by the message “Your comment is awaiting moderation. Due to the volume of comments we receive, not all comments will be posted”. I know that my comment does not show on other users computers.

I know that the explanation “Due to the volume of comments” is a lie. The message shows whether mine is one of two or two hundred comments. I know that you have CUT ME OFF for some other reason.

I have never used profanity so it must be because you do not agree with the content of my comments and I assume it must be because I usually support Hillary Clinton. It may be because I have sometimes shown that your story clearly contains some error and that you do not want your other readers to become aware of your mistakes.

It is sad to see CNN opposing free speech, engaging in censorship and knowingly making a false statement.

Ken, San Diego, CA   November 14th, 2007 11:41 pm ET

This is one of those instances where it's best to take the "flip-flop" flack rather than maintain an ambiguous or pro-license position. Frankly, ALL of the Democrats need to jump off of the license train as soon as possible. This is a hot-button issue for many people — across all party lines.

Frankly, the simpliest illegal immigration solution is to: 1) actually abide by the laws as they are already written (especially with reference to employers), and 2) strengthen the border. As far as the 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S., here's what you do….nothing.

Mhm   November 14th, 2007 11:26 pm ET

Are Edwards and Obama ignorant or desperate? Perhaps both?

It wasn't that hard to understand her position the first time she said it, if you still don't, read the last paragraph in this article. She has said that since the beginning.

Ignorance or desperation, what fitting choices for the 2 non-frontrunners.

Troy   November 14th, 2007 11:25 pm ET

I bet the blogger Abdullah is for Obama. Pretty obvious, huh. I'm a Democrat but would vote for any Republican if Obama is the Democratic candidate, which would not happen anyhow. Go Hillary!!!!!!

andi h., wilmington il   November 14th, 2007 11:23 pm ET

HA HA ! Just when Hillary takes her finger out of the breeze and takes a position, it all falls down around her.

Nice leadership skills she displays. NOT !

Jackie   November 14th, 2007 11:13 pm ET

Changing her mind and spinning it around, swindling all of you and making you think she knows what she's doing is all Hillary's ever really done. Campaigning and cheating in investments, hiding records, firing innocent employees, this woman is full of much worse than flip flopping. I for one hope she gets the nomination, she's the most beatable of all the Democratic hopefuls. I'm an Independent and see right through Hillary; she's going to try to ride the coattails of her husband into the White House and then he's going to make it look as though she's got the leadership. Yeah, right. Suppose the 21 yr old male interns should be watching out for themselves?

Alicia Bronx, NY   November 14th, 2007 10:44 pm ET

If she can't be decisive on this issue what makes you think she has the right judgment to be president. I guess she took a poll and found a position. Flip floppin Hill Strikes again

Colin   November 14th, 2007 10:40 pm ET

At the debate Hillary said the she UNDERSTOOD why Spitzer wanted to have special DLs for Aliens BUT, I repeat BUT, she said that she could NOT endorse or approve of the proposal as it was contrary to Federal law. She said that the subject should be first considered within comprehensive immigration reform.
Her position has not changed. She STILL understands why Spitzer proposed these licenses. She is STILL against issuing them because they conflict with Federal law.

Ella   November 14th, 2007 10:31 pm ET

HOORAY FOR HILLARY CLINTON! She runs a brilliant campaign! We all believe that she is the only person that the Republicans can beat! Hooray for Hillary! We are your Stepford followers!

Pete, Washington   November 14th, 2007 10:26 pm ET

Since Rudy and Mitt can 'flip-flop'. Hillary thinks that it has not hurt their campaign, so she might as well do it too. It looks like the American voter either doesn't care, or can't tell the difference between a 'flip-flop' and an honest position on a real issue. Boy, America is in real trouble.

Tom Dedham, Mass   November 14th, 2007 10:21 pm ET

These Republicans are swift boating her.. oh, they are Democrats.

It's because they are mean lying men.. oh, they are telling the truth.

It's because she is winning..oh, she hasn't won bleep yet.

They are part of the vast right-wing conspiracy.. oh, I mean the left.

It's because she is such a smart woman..oh, she plants qusetions.

Here's an oldie but a goodie, I was for the licenses, before I was against them..oh, that was used by Kerry.

I will just send my "husband" out to wag his fat lying adulterer finger and blame someone, anyone.

See you in 2008 Sillary, I can't wait and either can those "mean" Republicans (Rove is at work as we speak).

Wesner, Miami Beach, Fl   November 14th, 2007 10:19 pm ET

This thing name shrillary is suffering from a really bad amnesia..The funny thing is she does not hide it. Her flip-flopping is all out there…Please America is that the type of leader we want for four years…It took her 2 1/2 weeks flip-floppin on one issue. Planting questions….i am tired of her wasting people time. I think she got Bush beat when it comes to lying, flip-flopping, and planting questions..

Obama 08!!!

Joe D   November 14th, 2007 10:10 pm ET

Sorry, but all this flip-flopping destroys her credibility. How can anyone believe anything she says if she's always "changing her mind". Face it, she's just not credible. She lacks consistency and therefore cannot be trusted.

Matt, Texas   November 14th, 2007 10:04 pm ET

Hillary is so shady. The reason Clinton avoids answering questions is because her TRUE views are so unappealing and even frightening to the public. She wants bigger government, socialized everything, open borders and amnesty for illegals. Don't let her fool you, just look at her past…..oh yeah, her records are off limits until 2012. Don't you think that's a little suspicious?

terry , baltimore md   November 14th, 2007 10:03 pm ET

Spitzer's about-face is very bad for Hillary. . . her campaign appears to be sputtering

Lee Paul Columbus Ohio   November 14th, 2007 10:01 pm ET

GO HILLARY!!!!!
The reason she a front runner because she didn't have to put any body down, she give a clear plan another good reason why she a front runner, She give awesome answers to what people want to know another best reason why she front runner, I mean really wow, Look how well she standing up with so many people trying to take her down, If only the other men runner could come up with better plans, then only then could they take her down, Hillary hang in there you are doing awesome job

Anonymous, Williamsburg, VA   November 14th, 2007 9:59 pm ET

"Oh my God a politician that changed their position on an issue. What a shocker. What will we do? So what, Mrs. Clinton continues to prove that she can run with the big dogs."

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Sure, a politician is entitled to change positions, but the obvious lack of conviction on her part is what's apparent here. She says whatever it takes…and THAT is unacceptable. She is NO LEADER…and THAT's the ONLY thing she proved.

waffle ,la.   November 14th, 2007 9:52 pm ET

she can't do anything wrong in some peoples eyes. voting for hillary is the same as voting for the pillsbury dough boy. he bounces left right and up and down.

Daniel, Dallas, TX   November 14th, 2007 9:47 pm ET

"I was for the war before I was against it."

With a few changes to that quote, I could almost hear Sen. Clinton saying that. Haven't the Democrats learned anything from John Kerry's run?

Charles from Saint Augustine Florida   November 14th, 2007 9:47 pm ET

I don't hate Hillary. I just want her to take a side on an issue right or wrong and stick to it. The next president will have to make unpopular choices about leading the country. I just don't believe being the first lady for 8 years and being a senator from a state that your not really from is having enough experience to lead the most powerful nation in the world.

James, Phoenix AZ   November 14th, 2007 9:46 pm ET

OH GOODIE!!! It's Christmas at the James house.

FLIP-FLOPPER, FLIP-FLOPPER, FLIP-FLOPPER. SWIFT BOAT VETS FOR TRUTH!!!

Yes, I have a pathological hatred of assertive women in power.

It's the Irishman in me.

Bill, Rockville, MD   November 14th, 2007 9:40 pm ET

Oh please, a 10 second answer to debate question thats part of a complex problem catching her off-guard shouldn't be portrayed as the end of the rope.

If there's anyone that flip-flopped, its the Bush administration that campaigned on non-intervention, energy security and tax reform and is now ending with a plop.

Duncan, Richmond, VA   November 14th, 2007 9:38 pm ET

I am absolutely stunned that anyone would vote for Hillary. She represents everything that is bad with the government and is little different from Bush.

Truly, this countries voters are politically stupid

A. Harrison, Atlanta Georgia   November 14th, 2007 9:38 pm ET

Changing ones mined due to circumstances being called "flip flop" is ridiculous. We were wrong about Iraq so our President refuses to "Flip flop" because he'll be called a "Flip flopper". Americans are smarter than this. Aren't we?

Robb, New York   November 14th, 2007 9:38 pm ET

So NOW she comes out and states her "opinion" on the failed plan. Leave it to Hillary to take a stand when the issue is withdrawn. Sorry, Mrs. Clinton– that answer should have been given when you were asked that question three weeks ago at the debate.

It makes you wonder just who would want this kind of decision-making in the White House. Where are all these people who have supposedly made her the frontrunner and "the one to beat" in 2008? Who have they been polling in New Hampshire and South Carolina to have given her such "giant leads" in both states? Relatives? Close friends? Campaign contributors? Republicans?

As John McEnroe says, "You cannot be serious." To believe that a majority or even a plurality of this country would choose her over any other candidate is completely mystifying. It's just not believable.

This can't be what the majority of this country wants. This can't be what the majority of the Democratic Party wants. You'd think after eight years of Bush, eight years of Bill Clinton, and four years of Bush's dad we would have wised up and preferred someone completely different than what we've had in the last 20 years. Come on, America– we need to turn the page. We've gotta have turnover.

How many times are we going to keep making the same mistake one presidential election after another presidential election? Why can't we find a decent politician in this country anymore? Forget honesty and trustworthiness– they no longer exist in American politics. Where are the politicians who can think and speak and make decisions on their own, without following the instructions given by their advisors or "textbooks"? And, presuming that they're out there, why aren't they being pushed to the forefront? Why are we being forcefed these glorified paperweights who overanalyze and procrastinate and purposely avoid answering tough questions and making tough decisions in fear of reprisal just because people might not like what they do?

In short, isn't there anyone out there qualified to be the next president who has any guts to lead?

Where have all the leaders gone?

Michael, Jacksonville, Florida   November 14th, 2007 9:33 pm ET

Hillary goes as the wind blows…

I can’t imagine how anyone can take this woman seriously. She and her husband are political animals who care about only one thing, getting elected. You can actually see her forming her position on driver’s licenses for foreign invaders living illegally in America during the debate and then reshaping her position four times in the following weeks as the polls helped clarify what she “intended” to say.

This should tell you everything you need to know about Hillary. These are serious times that call for serious leadership. Our Nation’s future hangs in the balance and we cannot afford to elect a president who does nothing more than pander to whichever special interest or group who can help keep her in power.

I voted for Bill Clinton twice, Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004. Last week I reregistered as a Republican and urge my fellow Democrats who love America to consider the issues and do the same.

Martin Golson, Clarksville, TN   November 14th, 2007 9:33 pm ET

She votes for the war before she is against it. She supports giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens before she supports not giving them licenses. She has questions planted so she doesn't have to answer any real questions. Please tell me that people are going to wake up and realize how crooked she really is!

Anybody but Clinton in 2008

Walt, Belton, TX   November 14th, 2007 9:31 pm ET

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." A Hillary quote from 2004. Couple that with the likes of Pelosi, Reid and political scum like Murtha and you have anarchy closer than you think!

There's a lot of the same kind of garbage in the Republican Party, but not many anarchists, thank God.

Wake up America!

Ron, TX   November 14th, 2007 9:29 pm ET

The winds have shifted, and so has Hillary Clinton's position on illegal immigrants with drivers licenses…

She agrees with it when it's politically opportunistic. Then she disagrees with it when the going gets rough. Typical Washington-style poll-politics.

We need REAL change in the White House. A NAME CHANGE just isn't good enough.

ryan t. , allentown, pa.   November 14th, 2007 9:27 pm ET

So, everybody who was for the illegal drivers' licenses last week is against it this week.

That's not too hypocritical, Dems.

Anonymous   November 14th, 2007 9:27 pm ET

It's apparent that she influence Spitzer's decision to let go of his driver licensing illegals plan. The public needs to be aware of her lies and distortions. So far, it seems that only the well informed have been aware of this. Very sad for America's future.

wanderink, san francisco, ca   November 14th, 2007 9:24 pm ET

Clinton's position just doesn't seem like a flip-flop. She was lukewarm about the NY driver license issue, recognizing that it might solve a problem locally but conceding that it wasn't a fully supportable as a general solution to the problem.

Now, she's saying that she wants to solve immigration problems in ways that operate at the federal level. Her initial hedging about Spitzer's plan really makes sense, given that it was state plan addressing a state issue where there wasn't adequate federal governance.

Not that Clinton is so perfect or anything. And, sure, sometimes she is too vague in her positions. But, this driver license is really overblown!

Common Sense, Washington, DC   November 14th, 2007 9:18 pm ET

"Oh my God a politician that changed their position on an issue. What a shocker."

Carl, there is nothing wrong with a politician changing their position on an issue. The problem here is that she was non-committal on the issue, then clarified her position by saying she was for it, and then today she says that she supports withdrawing the legislation and blames Congress (which she is a part of). She's spinning around so much on this one little issue that she's making herself dizzy.

jim, new york   November 14th, 2007 9:17 pm ET

are u KIDDING me??

somebody please explain to me how senator clinton STILL leads in the polls. the american people don't make any sense.

first, they complain how there are no honest politicians and that they're sick of the system that doesn't work for them, then they don't do anything about it and continue to support the very politicians they are against in theory.

how can we be so uneducated?

Jon Richard, Virginia   November 14th, 2007 9:14 pm ET

It is a beautiful thing. A person running for the presidency can say 'It is the current administrations fault AND the fault of the Congress'. Let me see, this person is a member of Congress. Where did this person stand on the issue when it was actually pushed by the White House and debated in 'Congress'. Interesting to say the least.

Richard Shivers, Griffin ,Ga   November 14th, 2007 9:11 pm ET

Clinton is compassionate to those who want a better life here. This is something that Americans have lost. I see most Americans as greedy and selfcenterd, they are afraid that they may have to give up something they value to help others that are less fortunante.

Sharon, Robbins, NC   November 14th, 2007 9:10 pm ET

Oh Hilary Clinton is against this issue but she's all for gay marriages and she supports gays and lesbian rights, which is against Gods Laws. God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. For the sake of our Nation I hope Hilary you don't get the Presidency!!!

Daniel ~ Longview, WA.   November 14th, 2007 9:09 pm ET

She's getting T i r e d . . . .

I don't sleep well when I flip-flop all night either!

Ernest R. Pilkinton, dallas, texas   November 14th, 2007 9:06 pm ET

what do you think she would do?
she is a clinton, that is known for flip-flopping.
i wouldn't for her for any reason. i'm not stupied.
ray, dallas

Dustin, Trenton Nebraska   November 14th, 2007 9:06 pm ET

I believe that flip flopping sides on the issue of giving illegal immigrants is one of the worst things Clinton could have done. No one will want a future president who is unstable and sways on important issues. The public wants a president who will have a view point and stick by it through out any decisions to be made. While I do think her position now is better, she still should have thought out her alliance before commenting back in September if there was any doubt. This issue will also draw more attention to her in the future, which could cost her in the long run.

Lynn, Durham, CT   November 14th, 2007 9:05 pm ET

Hey, last month I thought it was a good idea as well. Now, not so much. What does that make me? A flip flopper or someone who realized after more thought and analysis that it just won't work correctly? At least she can say, 'yeah, not a good idea' and not dig her heels in like Mr. Bush and not budge. She has sound judgement and it's EXACTLY what the White House needs!

Brenda S, Waseca MN   November 14th, 2007 9:00 pm ET

I hope immigration reform gets fixed fast. I am a U.S Citizen and my husband was sent to Mexico to wait for his Visa appointment, when we got there the embassy agent refused to see any of his paperwork. He has been in Mexico for 1 year and 11 months this November. He was denied and was asked to go again with paperwork he had with him. I went out there to support my husband and had to comeback empty handed. From the time he left til now I have lost my house and was on the verge of losing my children, I have to work 2 to 3 jobs to try to keep afloat. Who ever is making these decisions are not thinking about the mothers and the children that are left trying to struggle without another income. He has another appoint on 1/2/2008, That would make him absent from the role of father for his son and his 2 stepsons. Since I don't make that much money the only time me and his son got to see him was when we went to his appointment on 10/3/2008, I can't stop working and go with him because we have to live somehow.

John   November 14th, 2007 9:00 pm ET

I'm very sad to see that people say "Oh well, it's normal for a politician. I'll vote for her anyway!"
What's wrong with you? This country needs real leadership from real statesmen (or women). Stop the cycle of underqualified and corrupted officials, vote for someone real.

Art Salazar, San Antonio, Texas   November 14th, 2007 8:59 pm ET

Everybody has planted questions. But nobody talks about them until "Gotcha" President Bush has planted questions all the time. How come you don't complain about them.
Everybody has records but they all have "good reasons" for not delivering them. I don't see anything wrong with Hillary's reasons either.
I always thought as humans we could always change our minds. How come Hillary is not allowed to do so? It seems like nobody complained about "Bush/Clinton/Bush cycle but you add another Clinton and there's complaints on a cycle? And on and on. In the end Hillary will get the Democratic nomination and will be elected our next president and I will be glad to vote for the woman. End of story.

john williams san diego, ca.   November 14th, 2007 8:59 pm ET

14 months from now, a person will be asked "do you promise to uphold the constituion of the United States?" and the answer will be 'this is a sort of gotcha question, i'll have Bubba get back to you' NEXT question

Tom, ALBUQUERQUE, NM   November 14th, 2007 8:56 pm ET

Obama and Edwards can't beat Hillary Clinton on merits so they will try to make her look like an equivocator. They are giving the GOP the swiftboat material to use in the general election. These gentlemen are being so disingenuous. It won't work because the majority of Democrats are able to see their desperation and ignore the clamor.

Mike, Houston, TX   November 14th, 2007 8:52 pm ET

Hillary is betting that the democrats are too stupid to remember the lessons of Kerry, Mondale, and Carter. She's following the Karl Rove strategy of division to try and sweep the primaries before the democrats realize that it is Hillary Clinton, not Bill Clinton.

If Hillary gets the nomination, I hope President Guillani does a good job.

John Henry Billings, Montana   November 14th, 2007 8:51 pm ET

I am tired of the pandering! ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGHH!

she wears me out trying to figure out her real position.

Steve, Denver, CO   November 14th, 2007 8:50 pm ET

Abdullah: he knows about bold text, but not about "not voting."

Grasshopper Phoenix, Arizona   November 14th, 2007 8:49 pm ET

What will her position be in 2 weeks? or did she change it already in the same sentance and we didn't get the whole story.

Anonymous   November 14th, 2007 8:49 pm ET

These other candidates are being disingenuous in their attack on Hillary Clinton. She is not the Gov. of New York and originally was only showing some support of Spitzer, not his policy. There are already seven states with a policy similar to this one, including my state, New Mexico. Something must be done and it has to start somewhere. The DEMs are so desperate that they are viciously giving the GOP the swiftboat fodder they can use in the General election. Obama and Edwards can't beat Hillary on merits.

Rex, Toledo, Ohio   November 14th, 2007 8:48 pm ET

For those Democrats that can't in good conscience vote for Hillary Clinton (with good reason) I would suggest you take a good look at Ron Paul. He is the ONLY candidate that stands for what we truly believe in. Some of his ideas may be a bit different, but by the grace of all things good, he stands for the Constitution, and wants to give us our liberties back. You know. The ones that Bush and company swept out from under us, and the ones that a Fred Thompson, Clinton or Giuliani will further remove.
I'll say it point blank. I despise her, and everything she spouts off about. I hate a liar.The woman has no moral objective other than to continue the status quo. Mark my words……she gets elected…..80% of the American people will be wringing their hands just like they are now with the Bush/Cheney gang.

David Gower, Iowa   November 14th, 2007 8:46 pm ET

hillary will say and do anything to get the nomination, anything to win. What does she think! Are we stupid? It's pathetic, I guess this is the experience she is talking about, experience of flip-flopping. Waiting for all her supporters to come up with an excuse… It just makes me laugh, fools being fools.

And for the comment that, "she can run with the big dogs!", does that make her #####, I rather not say!

HILLARYLOVER NY NY   November 14th, 2007 8:45 pm ET

I really hate the term flip-flop and here is why. Politicians don't work for themselves. They work for us. The only true way that politicians will know what we–their employers are thinking is by opinion polls and for the more archaic of the group, sending letters through the US MAIL or by making endless calls on the telephone. Each day we the American people change our minds on several of the different major issues that face the nation. When we vocalize this to our employees, the politicians, they are forced to "flip-flop". If we had politicians that "stuck to their guns" and didn't flip flop back during the civil rights era–America would not be the same nation it is today for many in the African American community.

We all know that having conviction is a good thing. Elliot Spitzer had conviction in his belief that drivers licenses be given to migrant workers. However his employers, the people of NY state saw differently, and he was forced to change his position based on what they demanded.

I really wish that people would STOP making it appear to be a bad thing when a politician changes their position on an issue because WE DEMAND it. Remember they are paid by us and they work for us. Let's face it America–we are an instant gratification society. Why do we expect our politicians not to give us what we demand INSTANTLY?

I really wish people would understand that being a politician is much harder than the everday struggles we face trying to make your husband or wife or life partner happy. Politicians have to please hundreds of millions of people and that is not an easy task to do. Please don't alienate Hillary just because you don't agree with what she says right now. True supporters don't do that. Doing so and electing someone you believe may be better based on one emotional issue could be disastrous for America. Just look at what we just ENDURED the last seven years.

Hillary 2008

J. McKinney SW MO   November 14th, 2007 8:45 pm ET

This is a complete non-issue. Hillary didn't flip-flop. She said she wasn't for issuing the licenses, but understood why Spitzer was doing it. She still says she isn't for it.
I think that Obama and Edwards are so desperately eager to find some little thing to nit-pick that they will make a mountain out of a mole hill on every issue they can. Their only idea for winning the election is to pick at Hillary. No one knows their ideas, just that they don't like Hillary's ideas. They are a couple of little jokes. We need Hillary, desperately!

Randal, Birmingham, AL   November 14th, 2007 8:44 pm ET

People are bashing her up for nothing…she never endorsed the spitzer plan during the debate..she only said she understands where the Gov is coming from.
Go on Hillary! Don't listen to all the other idiots. You have my vote and the vote of enough sane democrats to win the nomination and ultimately the President of United States.

Pit ironik Denver Colorado   November 14th, 2007 8:44 pm ET

HIllary Clinton Camp threathens Wolf Blitzer – Cnn – No gangning up on Hillary

Is the pressure really getting to Hillary Clinton this much already? A report from Matt Drudge appears to suggest that the democratic "annoited" frontrunner is still reeling so much from her disastrous performance at the last Democratic presidential debate that her camp is reaching out in what sounds like a threatening way to CNN and their host Wolf Blizter.
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Clinton stumbled in the previous debate in Philadelphia, over whether illegal immigrants should be awarded drivers licenses, and faced a wave of subsequent assaults from rivals who had failed to land a glove on her all year.
Claims that Clinton aides had planted questions at her campaign events further fed the media beast and provoked the Clinton campaign's first serious wobbles.

Dave, Laguna Hills, CA   November 14th, 2007 8:41 pm ET

Typical Clinton…just like Billie: If you don't like his/her answer, just wait a while, it may change.

Tom, Scranton, PA   November 14th, 2007 8:40 pm ET

I don't care who the candidate is – if they don't have a STRONG stand against illegal immigration – they won't get MY vote!

r.e. lowe allons, tn   November 14th, 2007 8:38 pm ET

sen.chris dodd,and sen.barack obana i would rather have my president change her mind than a president that stays the course quit criticizing hillary clinton you guys just sound stupid we have stupid in the white house now g.w. bush.my opinion again!

Rick, Chicago Illinois   November 14th, 2007 8:38 pm ET

Shawnie – Grants Pass, OR,

"Flip-flopping cubed" is right!"

LOL … and you're supporting WHO again?

Romney right?

Feel free to step up and list as many Hillary flip flops as Romney has.

Got game? Here we go …

A (probably only PARTIAL)list of Romney's flip flops:

1) He was a liberal in Massachusetts, where he TWICE ran for statewide office as a pro-CHOICE candidate but now says he opposes Roe v. Wade;

2) he was dedicated to "full equality for America's gay and lesbian citizens" and now describes himself as "a champion of traditional marriage";

3) he signed a no-new-tax pledge (that he once mocked) in an attempt to hide his tax-raising record;

4) in Massachusetts, he bucked the National Rifle Association by supporting the Brady Bill and an assault-weapons ban, boasting, "I don't line up with the NRA.", yet (in August of 2006) he bragged that he joined the gun-rights organization as a life member;

5) he was FOR gays serving open in the military before he was AGAINST it;

6) he endorsed federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research in 2005, but now claims he opposes it;

7) he may or may not be an avid hunter since he said "I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter pretty much all my life," he told a man sporting a National Rifle Association cap – even though he’s been on a total of TWO hunting trips in his 60 years!;

8) Romney said he doesn’t believe in overturning juries, yet he fully supported Dubya’s commuting of Scooter Libby’s sentence before a single day of jail time was ever served;

9) thinks that his sons driving around in SUVs to campaign for him is equal to, or better than, serving his country helping patrol the streets of Baghdad then said ihe doesn’t;

10) flip-flopped on amnesty for illegals when he criticized cities that offer sanctuary to illegals via a radio ad saying: "Immigration laws don't work if they're ignored. Legal immigration is great, but illegal immigration, that we've got to end. And amnesty is not the way to do it.". But this was AFTER he said he supported selective amnesty (to those who have ignored and BROKEN those same immigration laws by coming here and staying here ILLEGALLY) in the March 30, 2006 Lowell Sun, saying: “I don’t believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at gunpoint from our country …Those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship, as they would from their home country.”

LOL … I'll be waiting Shawnie… for at least ELEVEN Hillary flip flops on her campaign!

Let me guess, like most hypocritical repubs, you'll NEVER actually put up when called out right?

Or will you just try side-stepping the challenge (as usual) and try to say "But … but … they … WEREN'T … flip flops!"

Smart money is on you NOT listing 11 of Hillary's AND trying a dodge in the same post!

Squared Stephen   November 14th, 2007 8:37 pm ET

Flip-Flopped Cubed I like the sound of that, Hillary "Flip-flopped Cubed" Clinton. This will be a focus of the debate tomorrow night I can not wait.

Richard, Bettendorf, IOWA   November 14th, 2007 8:35 pm ET

Is there really any question as to where she really lies? The Clinton's the first 8 years said they would have National Health Care in the first 90 days that he was in office. They even showed a photo ID Card, and what did we end up with? I think everyone has forgotten about those days and can only look at what Bush as or has not done during his time. But he never lied about what he was going to do…. I am not a complete Bush fan as he has done some stuff that has really not made sense to me but another Clinton in the White house would be total disaster for us. Read what the law says about those that are in this country illegally!! What is supposed to happen to them if they get caught.

Jeff   November 14th, 2007 8:34 pm ET

Currently I am serving the military and if Hillary is nominated myself and many others will be leaving the military. I refuse to work for commander and chief who has no values what so ever. I served under her husband who gave us nothing for pay raises for 8 years yet had no problem embarassing the country. By the way he went to Wr with out UN approval and none of you liberals said anything.
ALL THE CLINTONS ARE IS AN EMBARRESING JOKE.

Rob, AZ   November 14th, 2007 8:31 pm ET

I am so sick of politics on this issue. Do you leave the front/back door of your house open? Do you want to know who is in your house and what their intentions are? DUH, secure our borders! Hard to believe that non- citizens are the largest lobby in DC.
Next demonstration, makes it easy to round them all up, ship them to their country and send that country the bill adding to THEIR deficit.

BOB FROM NC   November 14th, 2007 8:31 pm ET

CARL IN ST. PETERSBERG, YOU NEED TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT YOUR DECISION TO ELECT HILLARY!!! UNLESS OF COURSE YOU SPEAK ARABIC!!!!!!!!

Bill   November 14th, 2007 8:30 pm ET

No more Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton nonsense!

Enough already. Hillary is an OLD WOMAN.

Vote for real change, Obama 08!

Trollmaster, CA   November 14th, 2007 8:25 pm ET

"As president, I will not support drivers' licenses for undocumented people and will press for comprehensive immigration reform that deals with all of the issues around illegal immigration including border security and fixing our broken system," Clinton said in a statement.

She'll have a different position on this next week.

Did she beat Kerry for the world heavyweight flip floping championship or something?

Please Democrats, vote for Obama, don't make the same mistake you did with Kerry by having another phony running that's going to end up turning off way too many people.

RS, Los Angeles, CA   November 14th, 2007 8:23 pm ET

This entire incident has just been a perfect example of the flaws in this nation's governance at the highest levels. After George W. Bush's "stay the course" and Hillary Rodham Clinton's "flip-flopping cubed", we as members of the American electorate need to seriously evaluate all of the potential candidates so that the Clintonian embarrasments and Bushism fumbling doesn't occur again.

From the Democratic side, the only person who seems to reasonably be up to task is Sen. Barak Obama…

Michelle U., San Diego, CA   November 14th, 2007 8:20 pm ET

She has to be absolutely insane. I can't think of another logical explanation. Either say you don't have an opinion, or are not informed enough at the moment to make a decision or answer clearly if you do have a position. How hard is that. But what blows my mind is that not only does she answer two different ways during the same debate, but then she answers again two days later, and then retracts 3 weeks later when the Spitzer retracts. WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN??????????

Joe M. Dayton, O   November 14th, 2007 8:20 pm ET

Is there any issue she doesnt place the blame on President Bush and/or Congress? Since she is part of Congress, she is part of the problem and not part of the solution. How about we do away with the whole lot of them in Washington and start this all over again. Maybe then we can straighten out the issues. All the "career politicians" and the hot air the spew forth, are the main source for Global Warming.

BOB   November 14th, 2007 8:19 pm ET

SHE IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT OF ANYTHING. ANY MORON THAT DOESNT KNOW WHAT THE TERM ILLEGAL MEANS IS IN TROUBLE. IT HAS TAKEN HER 2 WEEKS AND HOURS OF RESERCH TO FIGURE IT OUT WAIT, HER NOR BILL EVER UNDERSTOOD THE TERM ILLEGAL

ANYBODY BUT HILLBILLY 2008

Anonymous   November 14th, 2007 8:15 pm ET

i dont see it as flip flopping ! if the governer of new york wants to drop the issue it makes it all that harder for hillary to really even move forward with it ! after all when hugely populated states like new york withdrawl from participating in such legislation it pretty much is a dead issue, wjen you dont have the support of states like new youk and california it seems its just beating a dead horse! i call it a change of heart not flip flooping, whats so wrong with changing your mind on an issue> times change people change outr ideas and opinions change! why cant a politicians?

frank rivas   November 14th, 2007 8:15 pm ET

Meanwhile, new early state polls have Hillary Clinton up with massive leads in the key primaries of South Carolina and New Hampshire.

Yeah, democrats are as stupid as republicans.

Kyle G. Columbia SC   November 14th, 2007 8:15 pm ET

WOW!! Clinton camp has to honestly be kidding us. Now, if she thinks the American public will buy that after I (PERSONALLY) sat thier and watched her answer that question at the last debate I must have "BOZO da CLOWN"!! Hillary I never had a thing against you but I will work even EXTRA HARDER TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T WIN MY STATE; SOUTH CAROLINA!! CNN must have had a typo cause reading this article I am at a COMPLETE LOST!! They gave Kerry the mask as a flip-flopper on a more serious issue like SERVING HIS COUNTRY. I just wonder what in the WORLD do they plan to give HILLARY!!

therealist   November 14th, 2007 8:13 pm ET

One thing we do know for sure is that we don't know where Hillary will be standing on immunity for illegals next week.

Pete, Washington   November 14th, 2007 8:12 pm ET

Thank you Hillary. You have shown the American voter, once again, that you can NOT take a position on any issue without checking the polls. That is not leadership. Stay tuned, Hillary may, very well, 'flip-flop' again. These past three weeks have exposed her and her campaign. It looks like the wheels on the Clinton bandwagon are coming off.

Bea, Hoboken, NJ   November 14th, 2007 8:11 pm ET

Oh boy, I can't wait for all the vitriol that's coming this way!!!

I'm sure it'll be the usual bla, bla, bla, from all the haters.

Whatever……

Abdullah   November 14th, 2007 8:10 pm ET

"Experience" + Clinton= I'm a democrat, but will vote republican if she gets the nomination!
Hillary is too wedded to the system, to affect real change—she’s to calculated, I don’t see her living her values and ethics (planted questions, voting in unison with the Bushites). As someone who works in the field of social welfare, both domestically and internationally, the Republican Party and their "small government" mantra sicken me and marginalized populations I serve, but if the Democratic Party gives Hillary the node, I'm voting Republican. Just as I did not vote for the Bush dynasty, I will not vote for Clinton dynasty.

theresa lv   November 14th, 2007 8:07 pm ET

Hillary never votes or answers questions until she sees which way the wind is blowing. So taking two weeks to answer the immigration question is right on target for her.

What a leader! Such judgement!

FT Doylestown, Pa   November 14th, 2007 8:02 pm ET

Hillary Voted for all of the Immigrations "Dream Act" Bills that the American People BEAT BACK FOR FOUR TIMES just this year. She's Knee Deep in ILLEGAL Imigrants and this MUST be CLEAR TO AMERICA!!!!
If you Want Open Borders…Yep She's your GIRL!!!

Jose, Atlanta GA   November 14th, 2007 8:02 pm ET

Finally Hillary gets exposed for what she truly is. Now where did she put her principals, morals and values (probably the same place George Bush put his).

Carl, St Petersburg FL   November 14th, 2007 7:56 pm ET

Oh my God a politician that changed their position on an issue. What a shocker. What will we do? So what, Mrs. Clinton continues to prove that she can run with the big dogs. Good for her!

JB Boston MA   November 14th, 2007 7:56 pm ET

By the way-

This eliminates Hillary's ability to accuse others of flip flopping. This will hurt her drastically in the general election.

I am sure Romney and Giulliani are laughing their butts off!!

It just ensures her loss against a R if she gets the nod

NeverUnderEstimateHillaryandTheClintonistas, NY   November 14th, 2007 7:54 pm ET

Spitzer dropping the plan the day before the debate has the Clintonistas written all over it. She didn't want to have the moderators bring it up again as an issue in the debate tomorrow night, ergo … call Spitzer, tell him to drop the whole plan. She then states her position (after the pollsters are done telling her what to "think?"). She takes all the flak the day before, the issue never comes up at the debate, and she isn't embarrased trying to explain herself (again). Why would the moderators talk about it now? If they do bring it up, she'll say "Wolf, I've already clearly (ha, ha!) stated my position." Classic Clintonistas "makin' a call" to get an issue off their back …. just classic.

Brittainy, Washington, DC   November 14th, 2007 7:53 pm ET

Meanwhile, new early state polls have Hillary Clinton up with massive leads in the key primaries of South Carolina and New Hampshire….
Posted By Daniel, NY : November 14, 2007 6:20 pm

"Massive leads"?

Did you even read the polling yourself, Daniel?

Christopher   November 14th, 2007 7:53 pm ET

Since when is it wrong to think about something and come to a different conclusion?

Is leadership based on believing everything out of your own mouth is music?

Maybe people should refuse to answer questions until they have had time to think about the issue at hand. But, I guess that wouldn't work in "sound bite" world.

sean, Priden, New York   November 14th, 2007 7:51 pm ET

The Obama reaction is pitiful. This is a man who can locate no records from his days on the Illinois senate. Thats because he did nothing. He has no experience–just empty words.

Belyn   November 14th, 2007 7:48 pm ET

All I gotta say is GO CLINTON. 08 is our year. A remarkable woman an exceptional leader.

Jason, Washington DC   November 14th, 2007 7:45 pm ET

Great punch…That's what we've been waiting for!

sk, NY, NY   November 14th, 2007 7:41 pm ET

doesn't matter what she says…both Obama and edward attack her bulldogs.

Carol, MD   November 14th, 2007 7:39 pm ET

Flip flops? Changing you mind? It's still better than "There really isn't any WMD's," but Whoops, we're in a war!

MarkieBee, Sacramento, Calif.   November 14th, 2007 7:38 pm ET

Keep watching the polls Hillary people, the ones that are either woned by Vindo Gupta (Hillary and Bill's best friend) or the ones that call 450 likely voters and extrapolate that the whole state is leaning one way or the other. I'll watch the exit polls and an Obama victory

Ben   November 14th, 2007 7:38 pm ET

Can you imagine a president who makes a policy decision and then takes it back a couple of weeks later when faced with criticism? What a chaotic way to lead our country.

Ed,Ellenville,New York   November 14th, 2007 7:35 pm ET

Lack of understanding an answer is not flip-flopping,Romney's pro-choice then pro-life certainly is. Mitt's support of gay rights is also something of concern.

Marshal Phillips, Wichita, Kansas   November 14th, 2007 7:34 pm ET

Sen Clinton's position has always been that the Federal government needs to address the issues surrounding illegals working in our country.
But I always wonder why we don't also call those who hire illegals also law breakers?
Illegals are here to do our dirty work and yet we have done nothing to legalize the situation.
We need to work together as a country to find a solution to this issue!

Ann Memphis, TN   November 14th, 2007 7:31 pm ET

Good God Flip Flop Hill make up your mind. You were for it before you where against it. You can't trust her to answer a simple question what makes any of us think you can trust her to make hard decisions.

Tom Sullivan, Bedford, TX   November 14th, 2007 7:31 pm ET

Our immigration system is not broken, Clinton's brain is. A vote for Hillary is a vote for amnesty.

Lev Klinemann, Redondo Beach CA   November 14th, 2007 7:30 pm ET

We're all allowed one flip-flop a decade…

…GO HILLARY, GIVE'EM HELL…

JB Boston MA   November 14th, 2007 7:29 pm ET

Come on!

Even you Hillary lovers have got to admit this is ridiculous. So much for taking a stand even though the voters don't agree. Opinions that come and go with the wind.

This has got to be a joke. How to ruin your campaign 101.

Shawnie - Grants Pass, OR   November 14th, 2007 7:22 pm ET

"Flip-flopping cubed" is right!

utah   November 14th, 2007 7:19 pm ET

Hillary 2009!

Dave in Tampa Bay, Florida   November 14th, 2007 7:11 pm ET

Well. That's. Finally. Settled.

Hillary – The Saran-Wrap candidate.

Tough but transparent.

Ellis, Providence RI   November 14th, 2007 7:09 pm ET

So… what is her stance on this issue? Is she seriously now speaking universally against licenses for illegals when last week she said it was "too complicated" for a simple answer?

She's in way over her head, Bill better defend her some more.

Dan, TX   November 14th, 2007 6:52 pm ET

How about States having the right to choose for themselves who to grant driver's licenses to. Keep the Federal government out of my life.

I know a lot of folks would rather just round up illegals and toss them out of the country. FINE, do it, THAT is the federal governments JOB. If the feds won't do their job, that's not the States' problem. The States have the right to decide who to give licenses to or who to refuse to give them to. NOT the federal government. So Spitzer can propose what he wants and if the State wants to do it, they should. But it is also fine for Spitzer to decide not to do it. But Clinton's position of the moment to not support drivers' licences for undocumented workers is unconstitutional. Didn't she criticize Edwards for proposing to get rid of Congressional Health insurance because it wasn't constitutional.

The Feds have no right to prevent States from giving undocumented workers drivers licenses. The Feds DO have the right to deport every illegal alien. Let's get this straight. Something Clinton just can't seem to do.

Bob, Seattle   November 14th, 2007 6:49 pm ET

Clintonese.

Terri Tacoma, Wa   November 14th, 2007 6:48 pm ET

HILLARY SAYS,

"As President, I will not support drivers' licenses for undocumented people and will press for comprehensive immigration reform that deals with all of the issues around illegal immigration including border security and fixing our broken system"

.

Gee – Hillary, will you articulate a different position for each state you campaign??

If you can't get "drivers license for illegals" right the first time …. what makes us think you can handle a TOUGH issue??

Flip-flop, dodge and waffle – Does anyone REALLY want to return to the era of wind-driven ethics of the Clintons?

AJ, IL   November 14th, 2007 6:29 pm ET

WOW! WOW! WOW! WOW! WOW! Hillary at it again. At the Philly Democratic Debate (Oct 30) she mumbled and fumbled over the response to NY illegal immigrants getting driver's licenses. Then 4 days later claims she supports the NY Governor's proposal. And now today she claims she supports Spitzer's decision not to pursue the NY driver licenses for illegal immigrants. She has just given the Republican Party machine more ammunition to use against her if she becomes the nominee. She is quickly becoming known as a "flip-flopper" and looking ever some much weaker as a candidate.

Obama in '08!

Sue in Michigan   November 14th, 2007 6:25 pm ET

Give her a little slack, boys! the debate question obviously caught her off guard (if she knows the answer to everything, she's too rehearsed; if she doesn't have a substantive answer, she's unfit; if , heaven forbid, she changes her stance, my GOD, it's another flip-flopper!) Personally, I find it refreshing to find someone who is honest enough and flexible enough to change their mind. Do we really want another DECIDER in the Oval Office,m who makes up his own mind without regard to advisors or public opinion, and then is too stubborn to ever consider the people who supposedly put him there?
GO HILLARY-all the way

Daniel, NY   November 14th, 2007 6:20 pm ET

Meanwhile, new early state polls have Hillary Clinton up with massive leads in the key primaries of South Carolina and New Hampshire….

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