Comments on: Romney touts family values in new TV ad http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/ All politics, all the time Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:07:36 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Ashley FL, starke http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-162864 Ashley FL, starke Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:08:03 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-162864 What I want to know is how the mormon God changes. He seems to be the same to me. Don't make accusations without backing them up. Children is our future and we do need to teach them morals, values, and educate them. MITT ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT!!! What I want to know is how the mormon God changes. He seems to be the same to me. Don't make accusations without backing them up. Children is our future and we do need to teach them morals, values, and educate them. MITT ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT!!!

]]> By: Brad, from the great state of Texas http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-149121 Brad, from the great state of Texas Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:02:25 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-149121 You're right on the money, Tom W. While there are people out there who genuinely need some help getting on their feet, too many think the government should pay them for breathing! It really ticks me off when I see low-lifes getting all kinds of freebies while driving on shiny wheels and wearing bling-bling and grills in their mouth. Meanwhile, I tried to get some help for my son, who was born with cerebral palsy-- guess what the Social Security office says? I make too much money, even though I am just a teacher. Well, excuse me for getting an education and trying to make a living! The real solution is not to expand these programs, like Democrats want, but to enforce the rules and give help to those who REALLY need it, and let the leeches take responsibility for their lives! Sorry if I rambled a bit... You're right on the money, Tom W. While there are people out there who genuinely need some help getting on their feet, too many think the government should pay them for breathing! It really ticks me off when I see low-lifes getting all kinds of freebies while driving on shiny wheels and wearing bling-bling and grills in their mouth. Meanwhile, I tried to get some help for my son, who was born with cerebral palsy– guess what the Social Security office says? I make too much money, even though I am just a teacher. Well, excuse me for getting an education and trying to make a living!

The real solution is not to expand these programs, like Democrats want, but to enforce the rules and give help to those who REALLY need it, and let the leeches take responsibility for their lives!

Sorry if I rambled a bit...

]]> By: C in Kansas City, Missouri http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148996 C in Kansas City, Missouri Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:44:52 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148996 Gov. and Mrs. Romney, you’re probably the only American parents who have ever discovered that it is important to provide children with a solid moral background in homes where faith, love of country and determination are important! In fact, before your lesson to us, America is probably the ONLY country in the World where these “values” can or will be taught to children and it’s all because you have shared this epiphany with us! It is unimaginable to think that anywhere else in the World can children be found who are taught these values by tender loving parents. It will be through your great example, and 30-second ads, that this can ever be possible in America and around the World! In fact, it could possibly be the rarest occasion to find parents anywhere else in the World who have made a lifetime of sacrifice for their children! You go Mitt!! Now that you’ve imparted this little gem of wisdom with our society (you know, the one that continues leads the World) - we don’t need you to be President any more! Your job is done! Thank you so much! Gov. and Mrs. Romney, you’re probably the only American parents who have ever discovered that it is important to provide children with a solid moral background in homes where faith, love of country and determination are important! In fact, before your lesson to us, America is probably the ONLY country in the World where these “values” can or will be taught to children and it’s all because you have shared this epiphany with us! It is unimaginable to think that anywhere else in the World can children be found who are taught these values by tender loving parents. It will be through your great example, and 30-second ads, that this can ever be possible in America and around the World! In fact, it could possibly be the rarest occasion to find parents anywhere else in the World who have made a lifetime of sacrifice for their children! You go Mitt!! Now that you’ve imparted this little gem of wisdom with our society (you know, the one that continues leads the World) – we don’t need you to be President any more! Your job is done! Thank you so much!

]]> By: Alex Tempton, TX http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148834 Alex Tempton, TX Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:02:18 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148834 Good call Mitt! Fixing the nation's problems starts at home. It doesn't have much to do with religion, but has a lot to do with choices parents make. Yours is a great example of solid family values and children that make good choices in life. Keep up the great work! Good call Mitt! Fixing the nation's problems starts at home. It doesn't have much to do with religion, but has a lot to do with choices parents make. Yours is a great example of solid family values and children that make good choices in life.

Keep up the great work!

]]> By: Arlen Hunsaker Pocatello, Idaho http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148828 Arlen Hunsaker Pocatello, Idaho Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:58:38 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148828 What did the country used to be like 50 years ago? And why has the world hated us progressively ever since? I can trace a few problems back to how the parents brought up their children. It's the governments job to provide a way for people to make a living for themselves, not to give out handouts. If it was, I would be screaming for money from the government right now! The government will still help those who really need it. Divorce will happen.Not everybody is going to go to church. You don't need to be religious to be a good parent, you need common sense and a sense of teaching your kids better than you were taught. Teach them not to litter. Teach them responsibility for their own actions, and yes they will be punished for the bad things they do but how else do you learn? Positive and negative reinforcement, people! I also like how people are saying that responsibility isn't an American trait anymore, and honestly, it isn't, at least to the politicians whose only goal is to rise in office and power. There are a few public servants who actually care. Great for them! Lets get some people who actually will care about the issues we face today instead of their public image and their paychecks... What did the country used to be like 50 years ago? And why has the world hated us progressively ever since? I can trace a few problems back to how the parents brought up their children. It's the governments job to provide a way for people to make a living for themselves, not to give out handouts. If it was, I would be screaming for money from the government right now!
The government will still help those who really need it. Divorce will happen.Not everybody is going to go to church. You don't need to be religious to be a good parent, you need common sense and a sense of teaching your kids better than you were taught. Teach them not to litter. Teach them responsibility for their own actions, and yes they will be punished for the bad things they do but how else do you learn? Positive and negative reinforcement, people!
I also like how people are saying that responsibility isn't an American trait anymore, and honestly, it isn't, at least to the politicians whose only goal is to rise in office and power. There are a few public servants who actually care. Great for them! Lets get some people who actually will care about the issues we face today instead of their public image and their paychecks...

]]> By: kate lee http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148671 kate lee Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:08:08 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148671 What concerns me about this ad is the "faith" part. Whose faith? I have known many Islamic families in whose lives faith plays a very important part--to say nothing of my Christian and Jewish friends and those who live what are perceived to be "good, golden rule" lives without adherence to any particular faith. Faith is a wonderful thing, but "faith" in an election ad makes me see "convert" as the hidden message. Is he saying that his form of "family values" will save our society from attacks, from global warming, from high gas prices, from a recession, etc. Now, that's a hard argument to accept! What concerns me about this ad is the "faith" part. Whose faith? I have known many Islamic families in whose lives faith plays a very important part–to say nothing of my Christian and Jewish friends and those who live what are perceived to be "good, golden rule" lives without adherence to any particular faith. Faith is a wonderful thing, but "faith" in an election ad makes me see "convert" as the hidden message. Is he saying that his form of "family values" will save our society from attacks, from global warming, from high gas prices, from a recession, etc. Now, that's a hard argument to accept!

]]> By: Kap, Orlando, FL http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148516 Kap, Orlando, FL Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:53:56 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148516 Feel sorry for you there, Z. And DM is another misinformed or uneducated person. Feel sorry for you there, Z. And DM is another misinformed or uneducated person.

]]> By: Darren, Syracuse, NY http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148511 Darren, Syracuse, NY Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:50:54 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148511 Family values should have a high impotance to everyone whether Dem or GOP. to say you're sick of it or try to spin it into a smokescreen calling it bogus pretty much tells us where you're at. there are enemies to the family unit everywhere. Family values should have a high impotance to everyone whether Dem or GOP. to say you're sick of it or try to spin it into a smokescreen calling it bogus pretty much tells us where you're at. there are enemies to the family unit everywhere.

]]> By: Tom W, Dedham, Mass http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148468 Tom W, Dedham, Mass Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:21:26 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148468 And how will this solve global warming, the declining dollar, children's health issues, problems in the distribution of income, violent crime, gun violence, lead paint on toys, etc? The family values argument is bogus. It is a Conservative smoke screen designed to prevent meaningful action by government to solve the nation's problems. Posted By Terry, El Paso, TX : November 19, 2007 8:15 am Terry I respect anyones opinion, but do you actually believe it is the gubments job to "fix" everything and to redistribute incomes? I don't care who is in office a Democrat or a Republican, I don't want anyone spreading the wealth or using social programs to try and fix what's wrong. HELP people EARN the TOOLS and let them FIX their own problems. Never had a lot growing up, graduated and joined the service, Used VA benefits to go to college............. No handouts, no whining, self responsibility. How un-American nowadays. And how will this solve global warming, the declining dollar, children's health issues, problems in the distribution of income, violent crime, gun violence, lead paint on toys, etc?

The family values argument is bogus. It is a Conservative smoke screen designed to prevent meaningful action by government to solve the nation's problems.

Posted By Terry, El Paso, TX : November 19, 2007 8:15 am

Terry I respect anyones opinion, but do you actually believe it is the gubments job to "fix" everything and to redistribute incomes?

I don't care who is in office a Democrat or a Republican, I don't want anyone spreading the wealth or using social programs to try and fix what's wrong.

HELP people EARN the TOOLS and let them FIX their own problems.

Never had a lot growing up, graduated and joined the service, Used VA benefits to go to college.............

No handouts, no whining, self responsibility. How un-American nowadays.

]]> By: Shawnie Cannon, Grants Pass OR http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148441 Shawnie Cannon, Grants Pass OR Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:55:25 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148441 Charles from Utah: Romney isn't from Utah, and he won't make exceptions.... Charles from Utah:

Romney isn't from Utah, and he won't make exceptions....

]]> By: Kate, Aurora CO http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148433 Kate, Aurora CO Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:47:52 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148433 Love of country? I'm sorry but how many of his children are enlisted? What war did he fight in? For that matter, how many other polititans of today have children enlisted? Instead, they call to us to sacrafice our children to protect their coward power hungry selves. I'm so sick of these politians touting their version of "family values" especially when so many have been exposed as liars. Just tell us how you plan on fixing the mess of our current situations. Leave your personal business at home, where it should be. Love of country? I'm sorry but how many of his children are enlisted? What war did he fight in? For that matter, how many other polititans of today have children enlisted? Instead, they call to us to sacrafice our children to protect their coward power hungry selves. I'm so sick of these politians touting their version of "family values" especially when so many have been exposed as liars. Just tell us how you plan on fixing the mess of our current situations. Leave your personal business at home, where it should be.

]]> By: Charles, Salt Lake City, Utah http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148414 Charles, Salt Lake City, Utah Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:26:39 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148414 I read recently that Candidate Romney stated that he would "punish" states that offer blatent incentives to illegal immigrants such as in-state college tuition and driver's licenses. Good for him. I wonder though, if he realizes that one of the handful of states that currently grants licenses to illegals is Utah? I read recently that Candidate Romney stated that he would "punish" states that offer blatent incentives to illegal immigrants such as in-state college tuition and driver's licenses. Good for him.

I wonder though, if he realizes that one of the handful of states that currently grants licenses to illegals is Utah?

]]> By: xtina - chicago IL http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148374 xtina - chicago IL Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:27:30 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148374 Hard work, personal responsibility, faith and family are what built this country-- not big government taking 40 per cent of our paychecks . We need strong conservative leadership to restore those values into America. Happy Thanksgiving Hard work, personal responsibility, faith and family are what built this country– not big government taking 40 per cent of our paychecks . We need strong conservative leadership to restore those values into America.

Happy Thanksgiving

]]> By: freetobeme, Rochester, PA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148345 freetobeme, Rochester, PA Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:25:50 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148345 I am sick of family values and the ways in which these neo-con Republicans flaunt them as if they have a patent on them. All I care about is freedom. I am not interested in Romney's wife and all of the little Romneys. We are electing a President; not a President AND his/her spouse and children. If I have freedom, I can carry out MY responsibility of raising MY OWN responsible and moral children, all without the help of Government, thank you very much, but no thanks. END Daddy and Mommy Government! Vote for Ron Paul and restore our Republic! I am sick of family values and the ways in which these neo-con Republicans flaunt them as if they have a patent on them. All I care about is freedom. I am not interested in Romney's wife and all of the little Romneys. We are electing a President; not a President AND his/her spouse and children. If I have freedom, I can carry out MY responsibility of raising MY OWN responsible and moral children, all without the help of Government, thank you very much, but no thanks.

END Daddy and Mommy Government! Vote for Ron Paul and restore our Republic!

]]> By: Terry, El Paso, TX http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148341 Terry, El Paso, TX Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:15:50 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148341 "If America could realize that most of its problems basically begin with the dysfunctional family and deteriorating values in the home..." - Arlen Hunsaker Pocatello, Idaho What are those values that need to be restored? Going to church on Sunday? Kids getting their homework in on time? Moms quitting their jobs and staying home to raise the kids? Fathers refusing to work overtime so they can spend more time at home? Reading the Bible to the family every evening? How are we going to restore them? Mandatory church attendance? Married women with kids may no longer be employed outside the home? Employers may not require working fathers to work more than 40 hours per week? School counselors should start interrogating children about religious practices at home? Repeal of all divorce laws? And how will this solve global warming, the declining dollar, children's health issues, problems in the distribution of income, violent crime, gun violence, lead paint on toys, etc? The family values argument is bogus. It is a Conservative smoke screen designed to prevent meaningful action by government to solve the nation's problems. "If America could realize that most of its problems basically begin with the dysfunctional family and deteriorating values in the home..." – Arlen Hunsaker Pocatello, Idaho

What are those values that need to be restored? Going to church on Sunday? Kids getting their homework in on time? Moms quitting their jobs and staying home to raise the kids? Fathers refusing to work overtime so they can spend more time at home? Reading the Bible to the family every evening?

How are we going to restore them? Mandatory church attendance? Married women with kids may no longer be employed outside the home? Employers may not require working fathers to work more than 40 hours per week? School counselors should start interrogating children about religious practices at home? Repeal of all divorce laws?

And how will this solve global warming, the declining dollar, children's health issues, problems in the distribution of income, violent crime, gun violence, lead paint on toys, etc?

The family values argument is bogus. It is a Conservative smoke screen designed to prevent meaningful action by government to solve the nation's problems.

]]> By: Wayne, Greenville TX http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148340 Wayne, Greenville TX Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:12:29 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148340 Anyone who talks "values" as much as Romney does must have some world-class skeletons hanging in his closet. Just wait until they start coming out...... Anyone who talks "values" as much as Romney does must have some world-class skeletons hanging in his closet. Just wait until they start coming out......

]]> By: Alice Newman Center Harbor NH http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148335 Alice Newman Center Harbor NH Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:26:40 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148335 Yes, our children deserve the best we can give them: that's why the Republicans underfunded No Child Left Behind, decline to invest in health care for the uninsured and under-insured children, and of course when it comes to feeding those same children at school, ketchup is a vegetable. Children don't get to choose their family: not everyone gets to be one of Mitt's "fortunate sons." For the others... sometimes they, and their families, need a little help from their government. Yes, our children deserve the best we can give them: that's why the Republicans underfunded No Child Left Behind, decline to invest in health care for the uninsured and under-insured children, and of course when it comes to feeding those same children at school, ketchup is a vegetable.

Children don't get to choose their family: not everyone gets to be one of Mitt's "fortunate sons." For the others... sometimes they, and their families, need a little help from their government.

]]> By: Shawnie Cannon, Grants Pass OR http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148329 Shawnie Cannon, Grants Pass OR Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:48:32 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148329 Romney is right. The American family is going down the tubes, and it is taking our society right with it. So many hurt and dysfunctional people. Our children deserve better. It CAN be better. Thanks for saying the truth. Romney is right. The American family is going down the tubes, and it is taking our society right with it. So many hurt and dysfunctional people. Our children deserve better. It CAN be better. Thanks for saying the truth.

]]> By: Sam, IA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148319 Sam, IA Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:17:57 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148319 Here's a family value for you mitt ole boy. If you think this Iraqi debaucle is so important that people shoud sacrifice their sons and daughters for it why no send those four party animal sons of yours over there instead of 24/7 campaign partying? Here's a family value for you mitt ole boy. If you think this Iraqi debaucle is so important that people shoud sacrifice their sons and daughters for it why no send those four party animal sons of yours over there instead of 24/7 campaign partying?

]]> By: Arlen Hunsaker Pocatello, Idaho http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148316 Arlen Hunsaker Pocatello, Idaho Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:36:24 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148316 If America could realize that most of its problems basically begin with the dysfunctional family and deteriorating values in the home, then we can begin the process of heading back to the values generations before us had, back when America was looked up to. A beacon of freedom and ideas. I can see why Romney wants to fix where he believes the source of a lot of our problems are. I don't think the source is outside our borders as much as it is within the four walls of our homes. That is basic, and it shouldn't take an LDS person (mormon) to realize that. But hey, I guess someone has to point it out! If America could realize that most of its problems basically begin with the dysfunctional family and deteriorating values in the home, then we can begin the process of heading back to the values generations before us had, back when America was looked up to. A beacon of freedom and ideas.
I can see why Romney wants to fix where he believes the source of a lot of our problems are. I don't think the source is outside our borders as much as it is within the four walls of our homes. That is basic, and it shouldn't take an LDS person (mormon) to realize that. But hey, I guess someone has to point it out!

]]> By: Denver, CO http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148285 Denver, CO Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:05:24 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148285 I'm confused. Mitt keeps telling us he's not running to be Pastor-in-Chief. But he really seems to want us to think he's running for Family-Man-In-Chief. I'm confused. Mitt keeps telling us he's not running to be Pastor-in-Chief. But he really seems to want us to think he's running for Family-Man-In-Chief.

]]> By: DM Ethier, Sudbury, Ont, Canada http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148282 DM Ethier, Sudbury, Ont, Canada Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:57:44 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148282 Yes faith is of utmost importance. But faith in what? The god of the Mormons is an evolving God. The God of the Bible says "I change not" the same yesterday, to-day and forever. Perhaps this explains Mr. Romney`s changes re: gay marriage and abortion. Will he change his mind again? Yes faith is of utmost importance. But faith in what? The god of the Mormons is an evolving God. The God of the Bible says "I change not" the same yesterday, to-day and forever. Perhaps this explains Mr. Romney`s changes re: gay marriage and abortion. Will he change his mind again?

]]> By: KEITH JAMES LOUTTIT http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148275 KEITH JAMES LOUTTIT Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:39:57 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/18/romney-touts-family-values-in-new-tv-ad/#comment-148275 Mitt has run over 2,000 TV ads in Iowa, and Rudy NONE... and still Rudy rocks the polls. Catch a clue Mitt, time to join the real party. Mitt has run over 2,000 TV ads in Iowa, and Rudy NONE... and still Rudy rocks the polls.

Catch a clue Mitt, time to join the real party.

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