Medical marijuana aside (and, yes, I believe it should be available for medical purposes after having a dear friend suffer horribly through her chemotherapy for breast cancer), there is a more important reason that draws evangelicals–even beyond the flip-flopping. Romney's Mormonism is a BIG turn-off for people who believe in the Trinity and do not believe that Jesus carried on a battle with another, equal being to get control of a planet. Nor do most evanagelicals buy into the idea that they, too, can become gods if they wish. Nor do they believe that a man has control over his wife's "resurrection" into an afterlife where she can bear spirit babies in perpetuity. Huckabee holds none of these beliefs.

The idea that Huckabee's gains will split the Republican vote is really a sad ploy. There are many Republican contenders. Huckabee is gaining ground most likely because of his constant conservatism and his honesty. Perhaps the Mitt supporters should move their votes to Mr. Huckabee.

Finally, didn't the Romney campaign tout quite loudly the support of the now-"disgraced" Mr. Roberts from Oral Roberts University?

If you think that, then you're a typical self-centered "the world revolves around only MY wants and needs" and "screw everybody else" conservative.

"Ricky" from Chicago, your 0-1.

The typical "conservatives only care for themselves" BS has been proven false, you can very easily google the MULTIPILE studies that have PROVEN that Conservatives give FAR more than LIBERALS in terms of charity.

Liberals are generous with other peoples money.

We care, it is just not "everything goes" like some would want.

Your now 0-2

I am a Conservative who is for Romney and I TOTALLY disagree with him on this issue, so go paint put your little idealogy brush away.

He is against it and has stated that, sorry he didn't answer the known plants question forcefully enough for you in this situation.

He could have pulled a Clinton and just started screaming PLANT, He's a PLANT, part of the vast right wing conpiracy, but he didn't.

Your now 0-3

I get it, you don't like bible thumpers or people that hide behind the "book", I don't either, but you are showing your hate and USUAL STUPIDITY by making reference to Romney and his faith, but he doesn't say "I made that decision based on what my book tells me", he just disagrees with the usage.

If you want to worship a gerbil or NOTHING, that is your right, but to continue mocking a mans faith as you FALSELY deem he makes every decison based on the book shows how small minded your are.

Disagree with the politics, no problem, mock the religoun to make your point, bigoted.

Since you have cowardly NEVER made it clear whom you support as you are afraid that someone would question you on it, whom are you supporting buddy, I am trying to better understand you as a poster, actually I want to expose you for the bigoted hater that you really are.

I am honest as hell when I say that I detest the Clintons (she is a second to second flip flopper instead of years and years), but I however do NOT hate all Democrats, where do you stand?

Romney's flaw is that he "lacks imperfection"? Wow, that's a definite downside (TIC).

If I bought into the notion that marijuana was the "ONLY" way, you and I would be in agreement.

Shawnie,

The issue is MEDICAL marijuana - using marijuana if it (and only it) can help ease the pain of people who need it. NOT legalizing ALL marijuana across the board!

You're against legalizing marijuana for strictly MEDICAL purposes?

So if someone ELSE is suffering from a disease that only REAL marijuana can help ease the pain from, they should just continue to suffer then - because YOU personally don't have the disease, YOU personally don't use the stuff, and you don’t need the relief that ONLY it can provide right?

Is that true? "Yes" or "No" is all I need to see in response to that.

If you think that, then you're a typical self-centered "the world revolves around only MY wants and needs" and "screw everybody else" conservative.

And people wonder why your ilk HAS to append the "compassionate" in front of the "conservative" to be socially acceptable and win elections? Easy answer there! It makes you guys appear more sympathetic and less self-centered and phony than you really are.

Why don't you step up and answer the question that Romney wouldn't? Would YOU have Holton arrested for using real marijuana for medical purposes?

"Yes" or "No". ONE word is all I need to know here too.

Which is it?

Romney needs to be less righteous to win votes. He is obviously handsome, articulate,but lacks imperfection.He
needs to own his flaws,announce them,…before his competitors proclaim them.

Rick,

Regardless of where Romney stands on the issue - I don't support legalized marijuana.

MITT ROMNEY AGREES WITH YOU!!

If you are opposed to abortion and favor a Constitutional Amendment to Ban it, Mitt is your Man. But if you are pro-choice and think the government should fund abortions for indigents, well Mitt agrees with you too. For Gun Control, you guessed it, Mitt's on your side. Support the right to keep on Ouzi under your Pillow, well Mitt has one there every night. In fact, no matter what you believe or when you believed it, so did Mitt, AND if you changed your mind in the past, so did Mitt, but the best thing is that if you ever will change your mind in the future, Mitt will have just changed his 5 minutes before. Where else could you get a candidate with whom you'll always agree?

Shawnie - Grants Pass, OR

"Romney's wife has Muscular dystrophy and Romney has firsthand experience with the disease,"

So? Does that mean that only what works for her will work for someone else with the disease?

Nope. You're 0-1.

"and if your "common sense" tells you that marijuana is the only remedy, then that says a lot about you."

I never said it was the ONLY remedy did I? In fact the guy said he tried others that either didn't work or just made him feel worse.

You're 0-2.

Common sense tells me that people's bodies being different that what works for one may not work for someone else. Which would be why there are MULTIPLE remedies in the first place. Why do you think there are different statin drugs, blood pressure drugs and ED drugs on the market?

You're 0-3.

"Also, the guy is part of a set-up that travels to these events with cameramen ready to entrap candidates."

Like the previous poster said, whether he was a set-up or not, makes about as much difference as whether or not the guy drives a blue or yellow car. And it certainly doesn't excuse what Holton had and the lack of respect Romney showed him - again due to his religious beliefs.

You're 0-4!

"Romney didn't "imply" anything."

The FACT is Romney got busted for being a turd with both his position on the issue and his response via his implied answer - an answer he was too much of a wuss to come out and plainly STATE in the form of a simple YES or NO answer to a simple yes or no question.

"That is a spin. He walked away from it and did NOT say he would arrest the guy."

He didnt flatly say whether he would or not - even though he was asked point blank whether or not he would. Which is why people who actually watched the video say he "implied" his answer.

You're 0-5!

"Your conclusions and "logic" are based on false premises. Good luck with that."

My conclusions are based on: what I personally saw and heard; common sense; the direct testimony of Holton himself; and the indirect testimony of FIVE LICENSED MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, who I might add, would be MUCH more knowledgeable about Holton's condition than Romney could ever hope to be.

Yep … you guessed it Shawnie.

0-6!

You might want to do a LOT more research on the guy before you throw your blind support behind him.

Or just keep supporting him anyway since it gives me things to respond to in my free time.

Shawnie,

I know you're a diehard Romney fan(love is blind), but a couple points.

A plant or not, Romney dissed the guy in the wheelchair. All he had to do was answer the question. He was afraid to take a position. YouTube it. He has also changed his position on MORE then one issue..it's so obvious what he's doing.

Romney's wife is no Saint either. She stated in a magazine interview she wishes she "just had cancer and dies" (Goolge it). Like cancer is easier then her MS. Who in their right mind would say that!

The only people the Romneys care about are the Romneys!
I find them to be a pathetic couple.

Dave - Portland:

What you're describing is affirming that he is not a fiscal conservative. It's called "Nanny State" and Huck has a governing record that fits that description. It is more of a socialist agenda.

And I like Huckabee, don't get me wrong, but there are certain crowds he will NOT appeal to. He does not have a strong appeal to the fiscal conservative crowd. He is a tax man. That is his governing style.

Rick, your story about the guy in the wheelchair is missing some elements. Romney's wife has Muscular dystrophy and Romney has firsthand experience with the disease, and if your "common sense" tells you that marijuana is the only remedy, then that says a lot about you. Also, the guy is part of a set-up that travels to these events with cameramen ready to entrap candidates. Romney didn't "imply" anything. That is a spin. He walked away from it and did NOT say he would arrest the guy.

Your conclusions and "logic" are based on false premises. Good luck with that.

Shawnie,

ONE fact is all I need to know about Romney to know whether or not he uses critical thinking and common sense or if he is a faith-based robot - what he said (or actually refused to say because he's a coward) to Clayton Holton who is suffering from muscular dystrophy and needs REAL marijuana (not ALL the alternatives he tried that didn't work) to help ease his suffering. He implied he would arrest a guy IN A WHEELCHAIR who has a DEGENERATIVE NEURO-MUSCULAR DISEASE for trying to ease his pain.

And why would he put someone in jail who, according to FIVE LICENSED MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, is "living proof that medical marijuana works"?

Because CONTRARY TO CRITICAL THINKING AND COMMON SENSE, his faith-based book tells him it's sinful. And of course he has to legislate whatever is in his book's onto the masses!

There is absolutely NO LOGICAL REASON for him to care whether someone ELSE is using marijuana - especially if the person NEEDS it and is using it according to their doctor's recommendations.

Not only is he a piece of crap (I can't use the real word I want here) for implying he would have the guy arrested for using it, he's a bigger piece of crap for trying to hide behind his book to get away with it, and an even BIGGER piece of crap for refusing to directly answer Holton's question with a straight YES or NO.

And that also makes him a coward.

And that's all I need to know to see what a religious MORON the guy is. It's called being the living definition of a (in this case brainwashed religious) conservative - "if I don't need something, or (have to) use it, then NOBODY SHOULD!"

And his book told him so!

This is exactly why religious, self-centered, holier-than-thou idiots running on the right will NEVER get my vote - they LOVE pushing their faith-based BS on others, whether they believe in their BS or not.

You think you guys would have learned from electing a guy who said Jesus said he could bomb Iraq!

But nope! You'll just try to put another one in office.

That's where I come in, and most of the people in this country, with brains in their heads who are sick of the Right, their religious opportunism, self-centered attitude, blatant hypocrisy, and (in this case) their flip-flopping. We won't just sit back and let you force that on everybody else this time.

So good luck with that Shawnie!

Shawnie - Grants Pass, Or

I am a critical thinking conservitive and Huckabee appeals to me.

Is Huckabee not a fiscal conservative? Comparative to who or what? Are the talking points of Huckabee’s opposition found here with you?

Have you asked any long haul truck drivers how they enjoyed bypassing Arkansas in the 90s due to the horrible road conditions that Governor Huckabee inherited from the prior tax and spenders?

Have you asked any Arkansas families of nursing home residents about their living conditions and care before Huckabee received another voter mandate and fix the problem, after inherited the problems from the prior tax and spenders?

Bill Clinton used his Arkansas record to get elected President and no one checked out his facts. Mike Huckabee actually has a good record cleaning up the problems from the prior abuses of the tax and spenders but it is considered not a conservative record. Please! Huckabee has the fact if you will just look. I know the facts because I lived in Arkansas at the time.

Rick,

Romney doesn't use critical thinking skills and common sense? Where have you been? So all his extraordinary success is due to lack of critical thinking and common sense according to you?

And your flip-flopping comment is a poorly applied, worn-out cliche that can be applied to any candidate.

Your bitter bias seems to be grounded in nonobjectivity.

Way to go Iowa Evangelicals! Fall for the anti-Mormon fearmongering and pick a Great Evangelical Hope. (Like Jimmy Carter once was.) This will only feed into the Clinton machine's vote-splitting trap. Keep it up and Hillary will be in the Oval Office.

Shawnie,

As apposed to your flip-flopping hero, who's still making up his platform as he goes along and who uses a faith-based Book for his decisions rather than critical thinking and common sense?

Please starting re-reading the threads you post on. Seems you've got some explaining to do.

If Huck gets Iowa, it will be the only state. He is a loser with fiscal conservative and foreign policy conservatives.