I knew other people that talked like this- they shot at me when I was in Iraq.

The christian right is neither. You wanna quote the founding fathers? How about these apples...

The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man. (Thomas Jefferson, as quoted by Saul K. Padover in Thomas Jefferson on Democracy, New York, 1946, p. 165, according to Albert Menendez and Edd Doerr, compilers, The Great Quotations on Religious Liberty, Long Beach, CA: Centerline Press, 1991, p. 48.)

I do not find in the superstition of christianity any redeemable feature- Abraham Lincoln

He [Jefferson] rejoiced with John Adams when the Congregational church was finally disestablished in Connecticut in 1818; welcoming "the resurrection of Connecticut to light and liberty, Jefferson congratulated Adams "that this den of priesthood is at length broken up, and that a protestant popedom is no longer to disgrace American history and character."

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a Virgin Mary, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.... But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away [with] all this artificial scaffolding. (Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, 11 April 1823, as quoted by E. S. Gaustad, "Religion," in Merrill D. Peterson, ed., Thomas Jefferson: A Reference Biography, New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1986, p. 287.)

Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprize [sic], every expanded prospect. (James Madison, in a letter to William Bradford, April 1, 1774, as quoted by Edwin S. Gaustad,

[on Washington's first inaugural speech in April 1789] . .. That he was not just striking a popular attitude as a politician is revealed by the absence of of the usual Christian terms: he did not mention Christ or even use the word "God." Following the phraseology of the philosophical Deism he professed, he referred to "the invisible hand which conducts the affairs of men," to "the benign parent of the human race." (James Thomas Flexner, George Washington and the New Nation [1783-1793], Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1970, p. 184.)

Washington's religious belief was that of the enlightenment: deism. He practically never used the word "God," preferring the more impersonal word "Providence." How little he visualized Providence in personal form is shown by the fact that he interchangeably applied to that force all three possible pronouns: he, she, and it. (James Thomas Flexner, George Washington: Anguish and Farewell [1793-1799], Boston

So get of all your high horses, all you rewriters of history. There is not a SINGLE reference to god in the Constitution.
I am an American. I will NEVER vote for someone who doesn't acknowledge the worth and dignity of all Americans AND their religions, whether they be christians, atheists, buddhist, jews, muslims, what have you. I, for one, will not be voting for the installment of the 'army of Christ' at the next election.

For everyone out there, this guy should make you very afraid.

I was deployed to a theocracy. Check it out. all you need to do is walk down the nearest army recruiter.

Judgemental, exclusionist, militaristic...not the typical words I would use to describe the Great Jesus Christ. If the end times are indeed coming, you religious zeolots of all faiths will bring it on yourselves, for turning away from reason, inclusion, enlightenment and understanding.
Get your head out of the sand. Worship your God not by inflammatory rhetoric but by encouraging freedom and respect for all humanity. That means all humanity, not just when everyone becomes a christian. Persoally, I believe in the True Christ. The 'WIMPY' Christ, as put by one cruel commentor. The one who wouldn't fight for himself, who loved both his neighbors and his enemies, who walked with prostitutes and destitutes.
Sheesh, you people sound like a bunch of raving islamic fundamentalists. you haven't started strapping bombs to yourselves yet but that's probably coming in the not too distant future.
Yikes...

Every chance they get to spew out their religion it is always filled with hate

So just to get this straight–they dont want someone who believes in all the good and loving teachings of Christ. They want a President who leaves his DNA splattered all over the Oval Office and a young girls dress?

examine yourself

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law"

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

Don't you know that all the wise men including those Dems presidents, they do believe in God and respect Him. The more you know God, the more wise will you be.

This country must be led by a President who has fears to God.

A person's religion – as long as it doesn't interfere with my life or other people's lives – is his/her personal business. But it would take a LOT more than someone's belief in Jesus to convince me to vote for him.

just thought you would like to know 4+3 = 2........in mode 5. things are not always what they seem!

Sincerely,

If you want to bend you brain around reason, you will want to check it out. You will come away an educated man!

I'll read Evidence if you read the response to it: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/jury/

I've read neither yet, but I have read apologetics in the past, and the responses to them, and thus far I know which strikes me as being based on more solid scholarship...

I just don't get it. The flying spaghetti monster doesn't need any soldiers!

You are trying way too hard. Faith (belief) is a matter of the heart, not the head!

The Realist said: One chooses to believe in God by faith, child like faith.

All you have to do is look around. Your other option is to believe that this just all happened. The gods of probability were on your side.. Except, the more species we find, the greater that mathematical impossibility of this actually happening becomes. No proof here either..

Think about. Could there be a God? This is the question that takes faith. The other questions are easier. What kind of God would you be, hands-on or hands-off? Would you want your creations to have a choice at being with you, without your interference?? At what level??? Now its getting real…

Posted By therealist : November 26, 2007 2:27

BLAH, BLAH...WHERE IN THE HECK DOES THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS COME IN TO PLAY ON THIS POLITICAL BLOG.

carefull Bob asking people to pray for these people might make them seem as you are force feeding them your beliefs. Only a secular progressive finds praying offensive, and uneducated
belief system. You probably ruined their day, knowing that people (i am one of them) will be praying for them. As for Huckabee, so long as he isnt going to make christianity a must for americans, whats the big deal, all you educated, tolerant people, try not to lump all Christians together. Just as there are bad secular progressives, so is the same with christians, but I at least know not all secular progressives are bad, why dont you try to do the same, or am I forcing my beliefs on you.

I'm not debating the existence of God. I don't believe, you do, whatever. I'm asking how *belief* can be a *choice*. The things I believe, I believe because they seem likely and fit with my personal experience. I can't just *choose* to believe in God any more than I could *choose* to believe that 2+2=5, or U2 is as good as everyone thinks, or that Zeus sits atop Olympus hurling thunderbolts at those who displease him. These are all things that just do not make sense to me, choice doesn't come into the equation. How can you tell people to *choose* what makes sense to them? This is a fundamental question that no one has answered.

All you have to do is look around. Your other option is to believe that this just all happened. The gods of probability were on your side.. Except, the more species we find, the greater that mathematical impossibility of this actually happening becomes. No proof here either..

Think about. Could there be a God? This is the question that takes faith. The other questions are easier. What kind of God would you be, hands-on or hands-off? Would you want your creations to have a choice at being with you, without your interference?? At what level??? Now its getting real…

My faith is real to me! You cannot understand why because you have made up your mind not to! You just have to understand that not everything is explainable, hence BELIEF! Ask someone to explain evolution and chances are great that they cannot. The lack of explaination does not hinder their belief in it! PS my faith is wrongly defined as religion. It is a relationship! We can debate all day long and get nowhere because I am go to good with where I am and am not about to change for $1M or any other amount! I am not sure how else to say it!

Ana-had-wolves: Have any of your personal beliefs ever affected those decisions that affect others? Maybe a moral base of personal beliefs is a better odds-on place to start than most?

Brain-Somerset: Not a bad job,being a book salesman for the Living God that teaches 'grace and tolerance' even of you. A good foundation from which to expand as a lover of the Creator who created all people in His image. Study the Creator to understand the people. Understanding the people is a solid base from which to propose to govern them.

Henry Miller: Thinking about your questioning of serving two masters. The people or GOD. Please read the above paragraph.. Also, the Apostle Paul established that 'faith alone' brings salvation. This from the new testament. The new covenant between God and his people. The bible is truth. If you have studied it as you say, then you know that Chistianity is about a 'personal' relationship with our Father – Jesus Christ. Period. All else in a Christian flows from that relationship. Yes indeed their are 'false Christians' – as Jesus warns.

C.MacClean & Jackson: You folks ought to read the 1st Amendment and understand it before you speak out about the separation of church and state. Your lack of education in this regard is apparent.

Finally, I invite all Christians to pray for: Seka, H.Miller, CableKing, Brian, Z, Ms Johnson, Andrew, Newt G., Linda, Mark, E, Dismayed, Jack, AJ, Jim, Andrew, Steve, Andy, Freetobeme, Brandon, Jackson, and Anonymous. Oh, and Barbara. To our great blessing, all in the U.S. live in the land of the free. Free to have choices. God is God. Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Trinity is truth. Whether you believe it or not. There is an eternity. You get to live where you choose in enternity. Heaven or Hell. Your choice. Pretty simple stuff. Really. God is in control. HE knows the end result. Guess what? God wins. In the end. All else is just choreography. The only thing the people have to decide is which dance line they are going to be in. All the people will suffer the rewards of their decisions. Just as in life. Also, in death and eternity.

Choosing your outfit for the day is not the same thing as "choosing" a religion. You can choose your actions, but not your perception of reality. I don't believe in God for the same reason I don't believe in dragons or fairies. It doesn't matter what I *want* to believe–I'd like to believe that the world is a fair and just place and that everyone will be happy in the after-life. But wanting to believe that doesn't *make* me believe it. How can you just say "oh, okay, this is what's real to me now"? If I offered you a million dollars to believe in Bigfoot, could you do that, or could you just pretend to do it?

Such a powerful statement. though i do not believe he will be a good candidate, i think he has some great ideas.

As for the nonsense and BS i keep reading in these comments... shut up. The Pentagon HAS GOOD SOLDIERS. It needs good Leadership. Do NOT bash on the men and women who are serving, unquestioningly mind you, their country. They are doing their job. What they do is not their choice. So take that bull$#!7 mentality and stuff it in some uncomfortable, dark orafice of yours and bleed.

How do you choose anything? You make choices concerning what you wear, you make choices concerning what you eat and where you go. For me, I was raised in the church and one day I heard the Word, and I believed! It became real to me! I made my choice! Just that simple! Why would I choice to believe the sky is orange, although Have you ever seen an Arizona sunset? Plently of orange!

I understand where you are coming from. We treat each other like last week's leftovers. That was never God's intent. He wants us to love each other as He loves us. You have to understand that just as there is a God who is love, there is a devil who is about hate! I truly hope that in your journey for the truth, you find that He loves you. I need to tell you that I really respect where you are coming from! I haven't seem this type of honesty in a long time! May you find peace on your journey!

I agree in many cases but I know a whole lot of Christians who are truly following Christ, and Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me". It's the righteousness of Christ that really matters in the end.

Dude, stop it, you're scaring me.

I love people who have no problem believing that god's son (or god, or who ever you think Jesus actually was) came to Earth, born to a virgin, over 2000 years ago and pass it along like fact; like you were there or something.

Fact: There a many people who claim to be prophets in our time. You can find them in your local cult or insane asylum. Why would you condemn the word of a living prophet when you accept the story of Jesus that's been rewritten (and re-interpreted) several hundred times over? Do you accept the truth that you’d turn your back on Jesus if you were alive in his time?

I just don't get it. Just like I don't get athletes who thank god for their victory; what, god didn't like the other guy?

But hey, don’t listen to me, I’m far too logical, "Hmmm, could it be...Satin?" – DC

- Mohandas Gandhi

God said "You will seek for me and find me when you seek for me with all of your heart" If you really want to know the truth, keep seeking. Read the book of John in the New Testament until you understand. God knows if you are sincere in your quest, and if you are, He will reveal His truth. Jesus said "If you continue in my teaching, you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." It's true.

Henry Miller, I agree with you on some points but I believe there has been MUCH good done by Christians. Also, history, ie: Nero, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Saddam, Bin Laden, to name a very few, reveals athiesm and other religions cause far more injustices and loss of life. I believe we should stand, resist, fight against evil when it moves, or in some cases threatens to move and destroy. I would vote for someone who has courage to do so. God loves you and I do to.

I can appreciate your faith and I hope that it brings you comfort. I suppose more than debating the existance of god that when horrible things such as the brutal death of a toddler happen that it might make us all think about the things we have to be thankful for and it certainly makes all of our political bickering seem silly.
Democrat or Republican, Christian, Aetheist or Agnostic, we are all human beings and we should remember to be a little kinder to one another.