Congrats David, as a frequent poster for a long period of time, I believe your posting may be the stupidest and most bigoted that I have seen.

I am not even a Rudy supporter and I hope that by remarking on your moronic and smallminded post that I do not encourage you to respond or post again, EVER.

I can see it coming a short war with a few nukes fired and Jewliani proclaiming they won
bye bye constitution bye bye America
the NWO has spoken

"The war will take six days, six weeks, I don't think six months..."

"This war will be paid in full by Iraqi oil...."

Don't you wingnuts ever get tired of the lies??? Do you not mind that BILLIONS of $$$ are being spent to rebuild Iraqi, while U.S. infrastructures, schools, etc. are neglected?

Saying the "surge" is working, because it's reducing violence but the Iraqi govenment is no closer to becoming stabilized is like your mechanic saying he's fixed your water pump, but your car still doesn't work. Come on down and pick your car up!(Oh, and the bill is $500.00)

the reports coming from Iraq are not the same thing as FOX NEWS LIVE

Funny that..

Posted By therealist : November 30, 2007 1:54 pm

just like a republican to blame the people that dont have enough votes to stop the REAL culprit, and just IGNORE the real problem!

you know what i love mac? that the republicans are going to lose. and then maybe all the people with the wool over their eyes will finally see how a government is supposed to work!!

i love the comment WE NEED NEW LEADERSHIP IN BOTH PARTIES!!! well thats not going to happen and if they are both evil as you think then i think demorcats are the lesser evil.

YEA THATS what happened.....or maybe not.....either way youll never be able to figure it out anyway

I just wonder what Hillary and the rest of the Dems will be singing since things are looking better in Iraq.

You are completely wrong about today's plans being no different than they were before...ummm, the presence of so many additional forces kind of proves that, doesn't it? Not to mention the fact that we are finally back on the offense, where we belong.

The Honorable Congressman Murtha and so very disgustingly many of his comrades are doing little more than denying reality in order to pursue a perceived political gain.

Only a fool can look at the reports coming from Iraq and actually *believe* there's been no progress. And hey, look! The senior commander on the ground says there's been progress. Maybe we should trust him more than these politicians. Just a thought.

Speaking of which, Iraqi politicians risk their lives and the lives of their families EVERY SINGLE DAY as they work towards getting their government in order. And what's the last challenging issue our Congress – with all its history, experience, and safe environment to work in – actually resolved?

Put down your DNC talking points, dude. Consider – just consider – reading some reports and coming to a conclusion that fits the facts rather than fits your Defeatist views.

And try using another City and State next time you post so we can think your angry ignorant point of view is spreading.

Victory!

Politics at its' grandest, folks!!

I sincerely hope their constituents "retire" them from office.

How pathetic that Pelosi has to spank Murtha for telling the truth!!

The Iraqi War was won years ago with the defeat of the Iraqi military and the ouster of Saddam. After all those were the military objectives of the operation.

That ended the Iraqi War, then we went into a phase of military occupation that the administration refused to call occupation with a appointed adminstrator for Iraq outside the military.

What we have today in Iraqi is the failure of the administration to take the victory handed them by the military and stabilize the situation by putting in place a stable centralized government capable of governing Iraq, until such time real reforms could be made by the Iraqi people. This can not be acheived through military means.

It is time the war drums stop beating in Iraq and diplomacy take hold. The situation in Iraq can not be resolved purley through military means. A diplomatic solution must be acheived by the people of Iraq. Security for the people of Iraq must be provided by the Iraqi military and security forces. We can secure our bases and facilities, provide training and logistical support to the Iraqi forces, but day to day operations must be assumed by the Iraqi militay. By this point in time the Iraqi army should have been reformed and trained twice over.

The purpse of the surge was to provide a window, it provided a window. That window was not used, therefore it failed. So it sort of worked, it did what it was suppose to do, but it was not taken advantage of by the adminstration nor the Iraqi government.

John Murtha is not a coward, however we hear from cowards each and every day that call for the use of military forces that have never served a day in the military. It's easy to put the life of someone you do not know in harms way and its even easier to put someone else in harms way while you sit safely at home calling for military intervention. No soldier wants war, and ground becomes very valuable when it has been paid for once by a soldiers blood and sweat. But remmber, war is a result of a failure by someone, it is never the first means to an end, but the last means to an end. If it is used as a first means those holding office and ordering it are undeserving of thetrust the nation has place in their care.

Funny that, a member of the 110th Congress saying that Iraqi politicians have, "failed to capitalize on political and diplomatic steps", when he is a representation of the worst, do-nothing, Congress in American history.

Funny that..

When he got home and Pelosi returned from getting her latest botox treatments, she called him TELLING him to change his story to previous talking points.

Like a good lackey John agreed to restate what "he meant".

We need NEW leadership in BOTH parties, this is brutal.

However, let us not forget that even General Petraus stated that the situation in Iraq can not be fixed through the use of military force. Nor let us forget that a major part of the Generals plans invole the invovlement of the Iraqi people and tribal leaders, and that where gains have been made it has been a result of the engagement of Iraqis and not the use of military force. And not by actions taken by the Iraqi central government.

So was the surge a failure, no it was not a failure, but in the same respect it was not a sucess either. Nor can the US military maintain troop levels in Iraq indefentely.

We need to withdraw unnecessary combat forces from Iraq. We need to maintain enough military force in Iraq to maintain security of our military and political interests and provide for the continued training of the Iraqi military and security forces.

The Administrations plans for Iraq today are no different than they were with the "stay the course" mentality.

One can do lots of things militarily and still never have a political or diplomatic grasp of the situation that uses windows of opportunity provided by the military to accomplish anything moving forward in the reconcilation of Iraq