November 30, 2007
Posted: 02:21 PM ET

Obama addressed the DNC Friday.

VIENNA, Virginia (CNN) – Without citing her by name, Barack Obama continued the sharp campaign trail give and take with Hillary Clinton as he addressed the core faithful Friday at the Democratic Party’s fall meeting.

“The same old Washington textbook campaign just won’t do in this election … the electoral strategy that starts out leaving half the country behind just won’t do it,” said the Illinois senator. “Triangulating poll driven positions because we’re worried about what Mitt or Rudy will say just won’t do it. We can’t live in fear of losing.”

Obama, reprising familiar campaign trail remarks and themes aimed at drawing contrasts with the New York senator, said that if he were the Democratic nominee his Republican opponent would not “be able to say I voted for the war” in Iraq “or gave George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran.” Clinton voted for the Iraq war resolution in 2002, and this year voted for an amendment that would classify the Iran National Guard a terrorist organization.

On a day when both the Obama and Clinton camps were again trading fire over the issue of health care, Obama said he had “put forth a universal health care plan that will do more to cut the cost of health care than any other proposal in this race.

“Here’s the truth – if you can’t afford health insurance right now, you will when I’m president,” said Obama. “Anyone who tells you otherwise is more interested in scoring points than solving problems. And I’m in it because we’ve had enough of that.”

– CNN Senior Political Producer Sasha Johnson

Filed under: Barack Obama • Hillary Clinton


jw arkansas   December 3rd, 2007 2:52 pm ET

this guy obama don't have a clue he don't even suspect any thing.

Karen Oakland, CA   December 3rd, 2007 1:14 am ET

I admire the strength and confidence in Barack Obama as he answers questions and states his position on a variety of issues. He has heart, quiet power and important values to be our next President.

brian macnamara, philadelphia PA   December 2nd, 2007 6:36 pm ET

the only can person running for president in 08 that has a universal healthcare plan is dennis kucinich. it's a shame that the most honest one is looked at as a joke…

Leano, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada   December 2nd, 2007 2:49 am ET

Some say well, Obama does not provide universal care. Clinton says the same thing always, but never substantiates her argument that indeed Obama does not provide health. The argument of universal care is that everyone should be able to afford, simple as that. You can mandate it or not, but do people afford it. Is it so commercialised that we can't get access when we need it. Now Obama thinks along this line, whereas Clinton's thoughts are from a business management perspective. Obama says we can make health care less commercial but Clinton says how can we make work commercial. That's a fundamental difference. From the onslaught we know that mandated health care has failed,just like mandated insurances have gotten people into great defaults and jail. So Clinton's plan is not feasible, and too complex to acheive. It also introduces too many problems instead of reducing them. You have to understand that issues are connected. You cannot mandate health care whilst you are still failing to raise the minimum wages, and when you have other problems such as creation of jobs. Clinton's mandated plan fails dismally. She has forgotten that problems are intertwined, hence she has separated health care from other issues, and that makes her plan seriously weak. It creates more problems. Neither does it even show any balance of thought. Listen to her enforcement strategy, you will learn that her plan infact impinges on a lot of critical issues, from population growth factors and to many issues. ideologically, it seems a good idea, but by common sense one can tell that mandates fail in that laws cannot be passed on certain issues and that makes the laws of none effect. I mean if you tell people,once you come to America, you ought to have a health care plan , you are crazy.

William Courtland, Waterford, Ontario   December 2nd, 2007 12:38 am ET

Health care bills? and The President.

In electing a president the Electoral College votes are selecting whom will be best to fill the role of Government Estate Attorney; a person elected whom will also hold the final power of attorney over the legislatures.

The 'Boss' of the Senate is the Vice-President while the 'Boss' of Congress is the Speaker of the House. The President can only sign a bill passed by a house quorom majority.

These possible health care bills presented are great opportunities for the general public, but are not fodder in the general campaign, as the power of The Presidential administration is limited to the Power of Signature and can not pass or present any bill to either house.

While in the Senate both Senator Hilary Clinton, and Senator Barack Obama have the license and opportunity to draft and present those bills, but once elected they must both release those bills to the power Senate which would be found beneath them, and, so could only pass such once they have legitimately reached The Presidents desk which they might be found sitting at.

(The party method now works to by-pass this constitutional limitation placed on the Office of The President.)

Andrew, Haslett, MI   December 1st, 2007 8:46 pm ET

Uhhh, Taylor? This article isn't about the war, it's about healthcare. I'm sure plenty of people are pissed off about the cost of this illegal war, but this isn't the place to debate that.

Taylor- Philadelphia, PA   December 1st, 2007 5:27 pm ET

Some people are so bent out of shape about how the Democrats will pay for Universal Health Care, but where in the heck is the OUTRAGE over the $30 TRILLION this war is going to cost us by 2010.

$30 TRILLION DOLLARS could rebuild every single public school in AMERICA, COVER EVERY TROOP COMING HOME INJURED WITH HEALTH CARE WHEREVER HE/SHE MAY LIVE, COVER EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN HEALTH CARE - WHY AREN'T YOU PISSED ABOUT $30 TRILLION BEING WASTED ON A WAR WHERE THERE WERE NO WMD'S, WHERE THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT US, AND WHERE WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE OIL. How much is oil a barrel…. $90+

Art Miller Alabaster AL   December 1st, 2007 5:26 pm ET

If you like the long TSA lines at the airport, the you'll love Democrat health care plans. Face it ~~ Congress screws up everything it touches. I cannot recall anything Congress has truly fixed…except their ever-higher salaries.

Mia, Stafford, VA   December 1st, 2007 5:17 pm ET

Ann from IL: Many single mothers have support of family. Yes his mother was remarried and divorced again. And his father left his mother and they were eventually divorced. He abandoned them.

His mother having the support of her parents is their reasonable service as I'm sure you will one day provide to your children when they have children.

Barack does not need or request sympathy, he doesn't play the VICTIM ROLE!!!

Andrew, Haslett, MI   December 1st, 2007 4:55 pm ET

Good call, Jake. All I see in Obama's plan is more $$$ spent on healthcare, more government intrusion into our lives, our workplaces, and now our health. Have we learned NOTHING from the Medicare and Social Security? Whenever government steps in and tries to fix a problem it just makes it worse! If Obama really wanted to change the culture in Washington, he'd be for less government, not more. Federal regulation just drives UP costs and negates any savings that might be created from technology. I don't for a second believe that drug prices can't go any lower in the current system and just about the only good idea in his entire plan is allowing the US to negotiate prices and buy from outside the US as long as they are safe.

The question is, Mr. Obama, how high are you going to raise our taxes to pay for your grand plan? Sorry old chum, you and Billery are too much alike.

Take matters into your own hands and vote Ron Paul!

Aaron Smithsburg, Maryland   December 1st, 2007 2:34 pm ET

The problem with politicians are they always eat their words sometime down the road. You know why that is? Republicans, Democrats it doesn't matter,are full of hot air. Most of them are Ivy Leaguers and lawyers, men and women of privilege, that have been given a bullhorn to shout what ever gets them the most votes at any given time. They are well rehearsed public speakers that use memorized talking points and that's about it. Really any form of honest public debate would bring most of these talking heads crumbling down like a ton of bricks. Thank you CNN for summing up our national debate into 30 second sound bytes that a moron could answer. Just because you let a couple of questions in from Gun Advocate Bob, and Suzy Soccer Mom, Metro-sexually Gay Ted doesn't make it a spirited debate. Because they are willing to tell the American people what they want to hear, not what needs to be said. End the Plutocracy. Make every candidate write a speech about what they stand for, and what they would accomplish as president, and that would be their platform. No staff writers to fill in their blanks, no consultant firms to feel the waters for them, and no corporate media to handpick the elitists that usually run for office, not because their born leaders, but because of their coffers and influence. These worms get an awful lot of wiggle room.

Jake, Iowa   December 1st, 2007 1:56 pm ET

Obama, where are you going to get the money for this? Dems love to promote their fanciful ideas about as much as they love to raise taxes. Keep out of my paycheck, Obama!

mdt, washington dc   December 1st, 2007 1:51 pm ET

Obama has been dishonest or ignorant with problems with his health care plan.

Along with the usual mishmash of increased subsidies, Obama, has taken the idea of an employer mandate. Obama would establish a "play or pay" system under which employers would be required to provide their workers with health insurance or pay a payroll tax to fund government-provided insurance. There are two big problems with this approach.

1) It flies in the face of basic economics. The amount of compensation a worker receives is a function of his productivity, and an employer is indifferent as to whether that compensation is in the form of wages, taxes, health insurance, or other benefits. Such a mandate simply increases the cost of hiring workers without increasing their productivity. Employers will therefore have to find ways to offset the added costs. This they can do by raising prices, lowering wages or reducing future wage increases, reducing other benefits such as pensions, or hiring fewer workers. Almost certainly, employees will be the net losers under such a mandate, with the low-skilled suffering most.

2) An employer mandate locks us further into an employment-based health insurance system at a time when there is a growing bipartisan consensus that we should be moving in the opposite direction. There is no logical reason for tying health insurance to employment. There are many good reasons for not doing so.
At the same time, he looks right to call for a Massachusetts-style insurance "connector," an idea being promoted by the Heritage Foundation among others. (Obama calls it "an exchange.") The exchange would allow workers to purchase individual health insurance with pre-tax dollars, leveling the playing field for individual insurance and giving workers the chance to buy personal and portable insurance — a good idea. The problem is that "exchanges" are also regulatory bodies. Indeed, Obama wants the "exchange" to regulate all sorts of things, including minimum benefit packages, premium caps, limits on copayments and deductibles, and "standards of quality and efficiency."

Obama would require insurers to cover everyone regardless of their health status and charge community-rated premiums. One goal of health-care reform should be to encourage people to enter the insurance pool while they are young and healthy. We can do this by making insurance inexpensive for them, and penalizing them if they wait to buy insurance when they are old and sick. Community rating and guaranteed issue does precisely the opposite, raising the cost of insurance for the young and healthy and removing any penalty for waiting. Inevitably, this means more young healthy people will make the rational choice to go without insurance. Hillary Clinton (and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, for that matter) dealt with this by mandating that everyone buy insurance.

Obama seems unaware of the problem he is creating.

Finally, there is the question of how to pay for all this. Obama does not put a price tag on his plan, but there is no doubt it will be expensive. Indeed, it will almost certainly be far more expensive than he assumes, since his ideas for cost savings are mostly figments of his imagination. For example, Obama assumes that allowing the federal government to directly negotiate Medicare drug prices will yield substantial savings. But the Congressional Budget Office has said that private insurance plans have already reduced drug prices about as far as they can go, and unless the government is prepared to severely restrict drug formularies, denying seniors access to some drugs, further savings are unlikely.

MD Tanner, Washington DC

Ann, IL   December 1st, 2007 1:50 pm ET

The lines in Obama's DNC speach are old. He keeps barking at the same tree.

He is trying hard now to get women voters by invoking his 'biography' (again?).. Raised by a "single mother"? Wasn't his mother remarried with that Indonesian Muslim guy? She divorced from Obama's natural father when he was 2 yo, and they all moved to Jakarta when he was 6yo. Even if she raised her child alone during those 4 years (actually they were in Honolulu with the grandparents, right?), this is hardly a 'single mother' profile. Another attempt by Obama to raise sympathy among voters!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/us/politics/02women.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

I know what being a single mother means! its much harder than that.

donna L.   December 1st, 2007 1:21 pm ET

Why is everyone arguing about the specific details of Clinton's and Obama's healthplan NOW? I'll tell you — because this is the strategy of the Clinton campaign. They want to change the subject, they want to distract voters, they want to tar Obama with the impression of dishonesty so we don't notice their dishonesty. THEY DO NOT WANT ANYONE FOCUSING ON THE WAR IN IRAQ, HILLARY'S VOTE TO AUTHRIZE IT OR BILL'S RECENT LIE ABOUT BEING AGAINST IT FROM THE START. Any healthcare proposal is just a proposal! It will not be what we will get after it goes through the legislative process — if we get anything at all. If anyone expects that Hillary will be capable of passing any healthcare legislation, I warn you not to hold your breath. She failed once and she will fail again if we are stupid enough to put her in charge, because the republicans will see it as their MANDATE to block her efforts. They will not work with the Clintons — period. The democrats cannot do this without republican cooperation on some level. I think ANY of the other candidate has a better chance of accompishing something positive in healthcare reform because at the very least they will not have the baggage of the Clintons.

Eli, Canada   December 1st, 2007 1:19 pm ET

"Somebody show me where in the Constitution it says we need universal health care…
I'm waiting, Hilldog.
Posted By Brian, Syracuse NY : December 1, 2007 12:55 pm"

This is another stupid and typically American point. Looking in the Constitution for answers to the health care issue! Are you living in the 21st century? Try to understand the NOTION of having everybody's basic health needs COVERED.

This is from Wikipedia:
In the 1880s, most Germans became covered under the mandatory health care system championed by Bismarck. The National Health Service (NHS), established in the United Kingdom in 1948, was the world's first universal health care system provided by government. Universal health care is provided in most developed countries and in many developing countries. The United States is the only industrialized nation that does not provide universal health care.

Stupid!

Brian, Syracuse NY   December 1st, 2007 12:55 pm ET

Somebody show me where in the Constitution it says we need universal health care.

Somebody tell me how Hillary's solution of mandating health care for everybody is (A) Constitutional and (B) reasonable.

Somebody show me how mandating a service is more practical than lowering the price and raising incentives to use that service.

I'm waiting, Hilldog.

fair,washington,dc   December 1st, 2007 12:19 pm ET

At the end of the day it looks like Hillary or Obama will win the Democratic nomination. I am a Hillary supporter so I will be disappointed if she doesn't win, but I will regroup and back whoever the Democratic candidate is and I hope all Democrats will do the same when the time comes. I say this after watching the Senate race in Md where five African American Democratic elected officials right beore the election had a press conference and came out endorsing the Republican African American candidate and their reasoning was they were showing their displeasure that the Md democratic party didn't get behind Kweisi Mfume ( because he was African American according to their logic) who ran in the primary and lost to caucasian Jim Webb. It was one of the most distasteful things I've seen in politics and I hope if any of them run for re-election the MD voters remember that atrocity and vote them out of office. This 08 election isn't about race, gender or anything else other then putting our best candidate forward and hoping we get a Dem in the WH.

George,Atlanta,GA   December 1st, 2007 11:51 am ET

I think the reality is kicking in for Obama haters that he is going to be nominated. They are now writing paragraphs after paragraphs to prove their points. Relax people. We are not yet there!

Jeremy,Nairobi,Kenya   December 1st, 2007 11:47 am ET

So can't you see that Obama right from the start has been the best candidate so far. America's president is not just for Americans and given Obama's eloquence and ideas, it is very clear that he is the obvious choice. I however doubt very much America will be that decerning to choose him to lead!

Posted By Antwi, Accra, Ghana : December 1, 2007 9:58 am
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OOOh my goodness. watching from all the way Ghana. I was in America and now in Kenya for a job. I am watching this too. Even if I don't know much about issues that Americans want resolved, I think Bush has torn their country apart and I remember everybody running to Obama in March for hope. He must have had something to offer. I would be happy if AIDS comes to be a topic if elected and more research to be done. I think that is Domestic and foreign issue for us all. Good luck with him!

jeri,NYC,NY   December 1st, 2007 11:42 am ET

Markie Bee I don't need to compile a list. Who cares what you hillary haters write. WE ARE STILL GOING TO VOTE FOR HER - DON'T YOU GET IT. I love you Monte! I love Hillary.

Posted By Hillarylover - SA : November 30, 2007 7:00 pm
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Go ahead and vote her. Infact try look for a few more but the thing is His support is so huge to the Clinton!
Go 'O'!

Harry,Iowa   December 1st, 2007 11:38 am ET

Can Obama or any other presidential candidate provide a brief outline of how their individual proposed health plans will work? Doing so would probably give more substance to any of their claims and in return allow voters the chance to make a more informed decision come election day.

Posted By Julie, Albuquerque, NM : November 30, 2007 5:39 pm

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Where have you been? It looks like we need to send you to space for the next 15years after Obama administration is over. I hope you won't need to go to nursing home then but if you do you would not have to worry because Obama will have a healthcare that will be good for you while you are there!

Les WA   December 1st, 2007 11:06 am ET

So can't you see that Obama right from the start has been the best candidate so far. America's president is not just for Americans and given Obama's eloquence and ideas, it is very clear that he is the obvious choice. I however doubt very much America will be that decerning to choose him to lead!

Posted By Antwi, Accra, Ghana : December 1, 2007 9:58 am

Ideas are great, eloquence are great; IF you're not running for President. Eloquence doesn't make a good President, ideas is just that ideas if you have no track record to show for it.

George, Miami, FL   December 1st, 2007 11:06 am ET

Clinton is so manipulative and bullying that I cannot believe it!

Les WA   December 1st, 2007 10:56 am ET

Obama's problem is Obama. I've never seen a candidate for the primary devoid of originality when it comes to his plan for healthcare. Obama's health plan will leave 15 million Americans behind, how can he claim his plan will cover everyone?

Obama is fantastic in giving speeches, but when it comes to debate the man fumbles. In his speeches no one can give him a rebuttal on the spot. The man is an empty suit.

I'm a baby boomer, I will not vote for the man, his fallacies are quite obvious, he's too far from being honest. I've seen politicians running for nomination lie to their teeth, not one of them can equal Obama. The man smiles while lying at you. This is the man who oppose Iraq war while he was a STATE SENATOR, I haven't seen ANY state senator went to the capitol hill and cast their vote. This is the man who criticized the plan of Senator John Kerry to withdraw our troops in Iraq during his first speech in the senate floor. This is the man, for three years as junior US senator MISSED 80% of the vote in the Capitol Hill. This is the man who did NOT cast his vote for kyl-Liberman bill cut criticize it; made an excuse he was not informed when the senate will cast their vote, an OUTRIGHT LIE, everyone was INFORMED when the voting will begin. Hillary Clinton flew back to DC to cast her vote, Obama didn't. What kind of crap Obama is spewing? We have a liar in the WH close to 8 years now, I be darn if I'd vote for another liar this coming election who has the notion being black and excellent in giving speeches is good enough to make him President! The WORST Obama have done in his campaign and interviews, is INSULTING WOMEN. Not all women are like his wife! I find that totally offensive!

Antwi, Accra, Ghana   December 1st, 2007 9:58 am ET

So can't you see that Obama right from the start has been the best candidate so far. America's president is not just for Americans and given Obama's eloquence and ideas, it is very clear that he is the obvious choice. I however doubt very much America will be that decerning to choose him to lead!

anon, new york, NY   December 1st, 2007 9:22 am ET

Obama’s health care plan is a dog's breakfast of bad ideas from Left, Right, and center, topped with an unhealthy amount of wishful thinking. If enacted it would cost Americans dearly — in higher taxes, lost jobs, reduced freedom of choice, and lower quality health care.

Obama bragged that, "[m]y plan begins by covering every American." But it doesn't. To say otherwise is rhetorical overreach, the appropriation of a popular and broadly-supported goal without an attendant mechanism for achieving it.
There are a few ways to achieve universal health care. You can create a single-payer plan that enrolls the population automatically. This is what Canada does, and how Medicare covers the elderly. You can create an employer mandate, where the primary responsibility falls on workplaces, and smaller mandates mop up the remainder. That was the approach showcased in the Clinton reforms of the early '90s. You can create an individual mandate that charges every American with procuring health insurance, and penalizes them if they don't. This is the approach favored by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts, Arnold Schwarzenegger in California, Ron Wyden in the Senate, and John Edwards in the presidential campaign. Obama's plan offers none of these approaches.
Instead, it seeks to make care cheaper and more accessible, assuming that, if it succeeds — and that's a big if — Americans will enroll of their own volition. It is a plan with the potential to be universal, rather than a universal plan.

In that respect, it is very much like Obama himself, a candidate of almosts, lack of audacity, full of hope but not deliverable.

Jim, Irmo, SC   December 1st, 2007 8:43 am ET

She does change her positions based on polling. Her history proves it. This does not mean that she is a bad person or that she hasn't done good for her constituency or the country. However, it does mean that she is just some of the same old thing. Because of the pace of the campaign, and the need to get the message out, we often forget that there is often substance to what often seems to be empty rhetoric. Obama really is a person who could bring change. We could get by with her, and, yahoo, we would have someone not a neocon in the Whitehouse if she was elected. But America deserves more than that.

Tyrone Davies Iowa   December 1st, 2007 8:08 am ET

Obama is a joke…don't waste your time een listening to his lies. He cannot come up with one solution on his own, he takes from his opponets and reports it as his own. He has no health care plan, he running scared of Clinton… WE ALL understabd why he copies Clinton and thats ok, WE ARE VOTING FOR THE CLEAR LEADER WHICH IS HILLARY, NOT THE FOLLOWER…Obama Winphrey….

chris, Chicago, IL   December 1st, 2007 5:12 am ET

Check this: Dollar, Gold, Europe, Big Debt, Empire, Health care. Capitulation to unfair trade agreements. Water into Wine.

http://www.golden-lamp.com

H.Pelletier Belgrade, Maine   December 1st, 2007 4:10 am ET

I am a 36 year old mother of 3 and so happy to have a candidate that is more interested in real solutions. My parents' generation has failed mine and my children's when it comes to leadership and planning for the future. Obama has my support because he seems to understand that the power of the federal government is to be defined by its social contract with THE PEOPLE. His healthcare proposal is evidence of this. My hopes are invested in OBAMA.

Dave, Cheverly MD   December 1st, 2007 3:47 am ET

Every other news site has allowed comments to be posted about this VERY SCARY Roadside Flare NH local KNOW nut case stunt When I read the other sites comments most were VERY much NOT so into this. It basically boiled down to, Ned The Wino ( of “Good Times “ 70s TV show) demanding all the liquor from the local Tavern or else he is going to hurt them with his bad breath. Look for more nonsense or someone being killed opps.. I mean committing suicide, or something blown up, or maybe a terror attack. As Obama poll numbers continue to climb. (ANYTHING WILL BE ATTEMPTED TO STOP CHANGE FROM HAPPINING.) Look for all sorts of astronomical events to all of a sudden occur.

Kyu Reisch, Radcliff, Kentucky   December 1st, 2007 3:46 am ET

Obama supporters do not respect Obama, they don't like Obama's political view completely, but they know how to hate Hillary, it is very dangerous for our Country to vote liar president, Obama is high class liar than any candidate.

Steve, Lyons, CO   December 1st, 2007 2:59 am ET

"….please learn to spell b4 engaging in debate with me…thanks!
Posted By Vince Los Angeles"

Ah, spelling flames, Vince: the last refuge of a small mind.

Here's how stupid you look: please spell "before" again for us?

Thanks! And BTW, why engage in a debate with a petty mind such as yours?

Or should I say, UR mind?

Ken, San Diego, CA   December 1st, 2007 1:46 am ET

Fine, Barack, you want a simple solution to a health care mandate:

When someone files their taxes they need to show proof of health insurance. If they don't have proof of health insurance, then you will automatically be enrolled in one of the "America Choices" plans (after which, you can file your taxes). No penalty assessment will be needed. That took about a few seconds to come up…

Now, will you please explain why your health plan is so weak, certainly as compared to Hillary Clinton's. Her plan seeks to lower costs in a more effective and robust fashion, and her plan requires the mandate which ultimately will lower the cost for EVERYONE by increasing the insured pool. By the way, if you can't afford the insurance (even after the lowered costs), guess what, she has tax breaks and federal aid to help those folks out.

Shannon, South Hadley, MA   December 1st, 2007 12:36 am ET

"Obama said he had 'put forth a universal health care plan that will do more to cut the cost of health care than any other proposal in this race.'"

What about Dennis Kucinich's not-for-profit, single-payer health care system? He is the only candidate advocating for such a plan. *That* is true health care reform and help for the 47 million uninsured Americans.

Vote Kucinich in '08.

DC, GRAND PRAIRIE, TX.   December 1st, 2007 12:14 am ET

please, its all about Obama.
Hillbooger will milk this hostage situation for all its worth.

Dan, TX   December 1st, 2007 12:06 am ET

Go Barack, his health care plan will cover everyone who wants insurance. Yes, finally health insurance for everyone will be available in a way that independents and even some republicans can support. And it will cost half as much as Clinton's!

Way to go Obama.

Henry Miller, Cary, NC   November 30th, 2007 11:35 pm ET

“Here’s the truth – if you can’t afford health insurance right now, you will when I’m president.”

Oh? You plan on subsidising everyone's premiums out of your own paycheck? No? Oh! I get it! You're going to subsidise the premiums out of my paycheck!

So kind of you to be so generous with other peoples' money!

sk, Toronto   November 30th, 2007 10:48 pm ET

Let me clear some of misconception that seem to have regarding mandated health insurance.

I am canadian where health coverage is manadated by govt. Guess what I am healthy and I haven't used hospital facilities so far. I have been to doctor once a year during flu season and I am also top 6% earner as per Obama's defination. I am mandated to pay via taxes and I do pay every year. Services that I use every year are not worth thousands I pay every year. I don't have choice to say no. Basically rich pay more and poor pay less. Healthy one pay for the sicker one. younger ones pay for the older one. End of the day everyone is covered and I am will old to one day. I have no complains about it you know why. Because anyone can fall sick anytime. And I know if it does happen I will be taken care of. I won't lose my house if god forbids something happens. So stop being arrogant and question stuff what is beyond you.
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It is really amazing how all these Clinton supporters are willing to accept MANDATED HEALTH INSURANCE in order to sweep Hillary Clinton into office….I would LOVE to see your faces if you are in the position of having to pay the FINE when you are caught without Hillary's mandated health insurance plan…

SHEEP!!!!

Posted By Vince Los Angeles, CA : November 30, 2007 7:26 pm

Leo, VA   November 30th, 2007 10:47 pm ET

"It's pretty obvious you haven't even READ his UHC proposal…..otherwise you wouldn't post something that sounds this ignorant.
Posted By Vince Los Angeles, CA : November 30, 2007 7:09 pm"

Mr Vince, 'affordable' does not mean 'universal'. Affordable by whose standards? What is affordable for Obama may not be for you/me/others!

Another stupid point made so often: "making the same health insurance that is available for U.S. Senators available for those that can't afford it". Who can be such an idiot to believe that? This country will be in danger when a Senator will have to go to the clinic instead of having a private doctor coming at his office/home. To say something like that is hypocritical and offending our intelligence.

Jimmy Sanborn   November 30th, 2007 10:47 pm ET

Vince.

Clintons Plain also offers the same insurance that Congress gets. It looks as if your all alone in this fight, along with your choice for President. My vote is SOLID Senator Clinton for President. Besides Obama would not be in this race if he were not Black. He is no one, like me

Margarita, Chicago, IL   November 30th, 2007 10:35 pm ET

This country has been ran by experienced corruption for years and this is were we are as a country, I say give the new comers a shot he cant screw it up any worst than the wrest of these so called expericend dictators.

Posted By Lyon Abear, East St. Lois Il. : November 30, 2007 7:57 pm

Thank you for that comment Lyon. I wasn't born in America, and I could not believe how did u vote for Bush two times, and now u want Clinton's again. I shoked to see how many people think that she is a good candidate, good in what? Taking crap from her husband? the whole world saw her being insulted, but she chose the "politically correct" way of solving problem. if I was Bill I would not trust her, she is going to stick it to him.

Asher Heimermann, Sheboygan, Wisconsin   November 30th, 2007 10:27 pm ET

I enjoy listening to Obama's speeches. I really enjoyed his last speech at the Jackson Dinner. Go Obama!

Asher Heimermann, WI
http://www.ASHERHEIMERMANN.com

Coach Haughton NH   November 30th, 2007 9:45 pm ET

I am a Baby Boomer and my mined is still fully in tact. So much that I know Obama is not Right for the job he is seeking.

Posted By Jimmy Sanborn : November 30, 2007 5:47 pm

look another clinton dummy. whose MINED is two words. IN TACT. please tell me where tact is so i can take my mind there.

A Clinton voter ladies and gentleman.

Michael Martin.. Springfield IL   November 30th, 2007 9:40 pm ET

To the supporters of the Clinton campaign that beleive we need to return the Clinton administration to the presidency.. Bill will not be the president again so lets not assume that what he did in office will happen again..It is Hillary's job and her experience is NONE.. She was a presidents WIFE and only got the senators job b/c of that. Everything she has done has been given to her b/c of her HUSBAND..Look back over the votes and how she supported the War, backing Bush on Iran.. NOW she resents the such. Sound familar?? Try Kerry, he supported the bill before he opposed the bill, wait a minute, then he supported it again before he changed his mind AGAIN..She is just playing the poll game..
OBAMA for PRESIDENT!!!

Tired of Corruption LV   November 30th, 2007 9:31 pm ET

I do no want to be FORCED to have Hillary's health care program just to make the insurance companies that have paid her make more money than they already are.

I want a choice and that is Senator Obama.

Is Hillary going to arrest people for not being able to afford the cost of her health insurance. She is NOT going to cover anyone - we the people will have to cover ourselves or face the consequences of not being able to afford whatever costs are thrown at us by her corporate financial backers.

Clinton's policy is just like sham she tried to covertly pass during her one attempt at legislation during her reign as first lady.

Samar, San Diego, CA   November 30th, 2007 9:16 pm ET

Honestly, I really was going to vote for Obama, but no more.

It's one thing to question another candidate's policy position, but what Obama is doing now (and has been doing for the past month) is completely insulting. His suggestion basically implies that Hillary Clinton, for her entire public life, has done things only based on polls. How absolutely insulting. This women should be commended for all of the work and good deads that she has done. If you don't agree with her politics, fine. But this is now blatant character assasination.

Shame on Obama and his staff. I thought he would be different. He's not; just a guy willing to say, do, or insult anyone to get elected.

anne, detroit, mi.   November 30th, 2007 9:11 pm ET

I have a problem with items # 2 and #5 on Obama's plan . Expanding health care for Medicaid and SCHIP means you and I will pay for it thru taxes ////// and having the Fed. govern'mt supervise any private business is NEVER a good idea. Since when is the government supposed to provide health care ? Is that in the founding Constitution?! NOT

ronnie knoxville tn.   November 30th, 2007 8:57 pm ET

Buying your own health care should be a law, just as car insurance is a law. If you don't have car insurance you cause others to absorb the cost if you have a wreck and you cause other peoples' insurance premiums to go up. The same with health care. People who simply refuse to buy insurance cannot be turned down in an emergency room, thus causing us honest peoples' health care costs to go up. If you can afford cable tv, computer, cell phone, vacations (things not essential to life) you can afford health care.

Vince Los Angeles, CA   November 30th, 2007 8:40 pm ET

Why does Vince from LA get to post THREE comments of pro-Obama nonsense. My pro-Hillary comments on other stories were not posted even though there was no cursing or disrespect. He even had the nerve to put up a link to Obama's website; he clearly is a campaign operative.

Posted By Fred, Reston VA : November 30, 2007 8:00 pm

"cursing"??…."disrespect"?? Please point out where in my post I did either of those things……I am not an Obama operative….you just can't handle the truth….

LOL

Vince Los Angeles, CA   November 30th, 2007 8:33 pm ET

To: Vince Los Angeles;
Do you read the other article from NY Times,or Whaington POst?
If not, please read b4 write some thing LOL.

Posted By Henry San Jose CA : November 30, 2007 7:48 pm

..I've never heard of the "Whaington POst"….please learn to spell b4 engaging in debate with me…thanks!

Fred, Reston VA   November 30th, 2007 8:00 pm ET

Why does Vince from LA get to post THREE comments of pro-Obama nonsense. My pro-Hillary comments on other stories were not posted even though there was no cursing or disrespect. I know CNN has to moderate and so everyone cannot have their comments posted, but that flies smack in the face of an Obama lemming getting to post 3 times in a row. He even had the nerve to put up a link to Obama's website; he clearly is a campaign operative.

Lyon Abear, East St. Lois Il.   November 30th, 2007 7:57 pm ET

This country has been ran by experienced corruption for years and this is were we are as a country, I say give the new comers a shot he cant screw it up any worst than the wrest of these so called expericend dictators.

Henry San Jose CA   November 30th, 2007 7:48 pm ET

To: Vince Los Angeles;
Do you read the other article from NY Times,or Whaington POst?
If not, please read b4 write some thing LOL.

Vince Los Angeles, CA   November 30th, 2007 7:26 pm ET

It is really amazing how all these Clinton supporters are willing to accept MANDATED HEALTH INSURANCE in order to sweep Hillary Clinton into office….I would LOVE to see your faces if you are in the position of having to pay the FINE when you are caught without Hillary's mandated health insurance plan…

SHEEP!!!!

Vince Los Angles, CA   November 30th, 2007 7:22 pm ET

Can Obama or any other presidential candidate provide a brief outline of how their individual proposed health plans will work? Doing so would probably give more substance to any of their claims and in return allow voters the chance to make a more informed decision come election day.

Posted By Julie, Albuquerque, NM : November 30, 2007 5:39 pm

Why don't you people READ before critizing???

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

Quality Affordable Health Care for All
by the End of Barack Obama's First Term in Office

Vince Los Angeles, CA   November 30th, 2007 7:17 pm ET

Th idea of pooling our money together is not a bad thing, but the notion that we are GIVING it and trusting it to Washington DC to administer the health plan is not acceptable. Name a federal agency or dept. that works efficiently and maximizes the amt. budgeted to them better than a for-profit business that is competitive.

Posted By Laura - Tulsa OK : November 30, 2007 6:35 pm

READ HIS PLAN BEFORE YOU CRITICIZE!!! Obama is talking about making the same health insurace that is avaiable for U.S. Senators available for those that can't afford it and by paying for it by cutting OBVIOUS waste within the health care system.!!!

Spouting YOUR idea of what you think UHC is and attributing it to Obama's plan JUST WON'T WORK!!!!

mountain man   November 30th, 2007 7:10 pm ET

“Robert Blendon, director of the Harvard Program on Public Opinion and Health and Social Policy, estimates Obama’s plan would end up covering 5 percent to 10 percent fewer individuals than Clinton’s.”

This quote came from factcheck.org.

If Obama wants to be known as an honest guy then maybe he should start by being honest.

Vince Los Angeles, CA   November 30th, 2007 7:09 pm ET

your plan doesn't provide UHC,Obama, just admit it. This is what we need in this country and in this regard you are lacking.

Posted By rigo, Somerville MA : November 30, 2007 5:11 pm

It's pretty obvious you haven't even READ his UHC proposal…..otherwise you wouldn't post something that sounds this ignorant.

Jimmy Sanborn   November 30th, 2007 7:01 pm ET

Eric N.Y. My settaments exactly

Hillarylover - SA   November 30th, 2007 7:00 pm ET

Markie Bee I don't need to compile a list. Who cares what you hillary haters write. WE ARE STILL GOING TO VOTE FOR HER - DON'T YOU GET IT. I love you Monte! I love Hillary.

xtina chicago IL   November 30th, 2007 6:39 pm ET

Reply to Sacramento Bee:

And I challenge anyone to show that either Hillary or Obama has actually worked on a difficult financial situation that turned out successfully as Gov. Romney did with Salt Lake Olympics or took an "ungovernable" municipality and reduced the crime in it the way Mayor Giuliani did. Giuliani also reduced the welfare roles by something like 600,000 people in NY. Isn't that the kind of leadership that we want, not just the Democratic brand that promises to solve our problems through more taxes and expanded social programs?

Laura - Tulsa OK   November 30th, 2007 6:35 pm ET

Th idea of pooling our money together is not a bad thing, but the notion that we are GIVING it and trusting it to Washington DC to administer the health plan is not acceptable. Name a federal agency or dept. that works efficiently and maximizes the amt. budgeted to them better than a for-profit business that is competitive.

xtina chicago IL   November 30th, 2007 6:29 pm ET

Does it really matter what a politician's plan is , since in general politicians don't do what they promise once they are elected? Instead, what has Obama done that shows leadership? All I've seen him do in Illinois is vote for tax hikes to expand government. Is that what we want?

Markie Bee, Sacramento, Calif.   November 30th, 2007 6:28 pm ET

Jerry, I'll issue you the same challenge as I have to Monte Brown and other Hillary supporters: Please list for me how Hillary is more experienced than Obama. Please list the substantive legislation that she has AUTHORED and passed as a N.Y. senator. I'm still waiting for someone to take me up on my challenge - to prove to me that seven years of a pretty indistinguishable senate career trumps 12 years as an elected legislator with many important pieces of legislation AUTHORED and passed. Legislation such as the lobbyist and ethics reform act that Obama has Bush - of all people - sign last year. Through this bill we learned that Hillary has been taking a lot of plane rides aboard Vinod Gupta personal jet. Sure, she paid him back according to Obama's rules. But I don't think flying in the personal jet of someone who paid their spouse $3 million for "consulting" fees looks that good. Plus, CNN continues to buy his biased and tarnished polls from SurveyUSA when it's obvious he is a tool for Hillary. Please accept my challenge. I'll be waiting (lurking actually) right here.

stan pitts pa   November 30th, 2007 6:18 pm ET

way to go obama at least you will not be ordering the arrest of anyone who doesnt sign up for health care, making it very affordable is the way to go….

Jimmy Sanborn   November 30th, 2007 5:47 pm ET

Obama's last statement fits real well for himself. He will say anything and make up anything because he thinks all of us Babyboomers are out dated. Shows how smart he is. The Babyboomer is classified as anyone born between 1945 and 1966. I am a Baby Boomer and my mined is still fully in tact. So much that I know Obama is not Right for the job he is seeking.

Julie, Albuquerque, NM   November 30th, 2007 5:39 pm ET

Can Obama or any other presidential candidate provide a brief outline of how their individual proposed health plans will work? Doing so would probably give more substance to any of their claims and in return allow voters the chance to make a more informed decision come election day.

Bri LA CA   November 30th, 2007 5:36 pm ET

Regarding the hostage situation in NH, there is no proof that the person actually has any weapon of destruction, thus, the police and everyone should hold back until fact-finding is completed in about 15 years.

rigo, Somerville MA   November 30th, 2007 5:11 pm ET

your plan doesn't provide UHC,Obama, just admit it. This is what we need in this country and in this regard you are lacking.

Eric, NY, NY   November 30th, 2007 5:04 pm ET

But the GOP nominee could say that when Obama had the opportunity to name the Iranian National Guard a terror group he chose to run and hide as opposed to vote one way or another. They will have a field day with this.

Jerry, Austin, TX   November 30th, 2007 5:04 pm ET

Everyone has a right to run for President. However, it would be a waste if Senator Obama was to win the Presidency when Senator Clinton is obviously the best candidate for the job. Kudos to her campaign for calling out Obama on his mis-statements. America has a chance to be great again as it was during the former Clinton Administration. Let's not blow it by electing an unexperienced, electrifying speaker with an extremely……….short resume. Senator Clinton needs our votes and support!

Mia, Stafford, VA   November 30th, 2007 4:52 pm ET

Barack gave a fantastic speech and his supporters were fired up and ready to go. There was a huge turnout for most candidates.

Barack has to make sure people understand the differences between him and the other candidates.

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