The Clinton campaign is demanding Obama stop running his ad on healthcare.
WASHINGTON (CNN) - Democrat Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign called on rival Barack Obama Friday to take down a television ad that claims his healthcare plan will "cover everyone."
The demand is the latest salvo in an increasingly charged back-and-forth between the two presidential candidates on the issue of healthcare. Each has accused the other of not being straightforward about their plan's limitations.
"This ad is demonstrably false and it should be taken off the air," Clinton Campaign Manager Patti Solis Doyle told reporters in a conference call. "The claim that his plan covers everyone not only contradicts the judgment of healthcare and economy experts, including Paul Krugman in today's New York Times, but public statements made by Sen. Obama himself."
The 30-second ad first launched in Iowa late September but began running in New Hampshire this week. In it, Obama discusses the death of his mother at 53 and says, "She was more worried about paying her medical bills than getting well."
"For twenty years Washington's talked about health care reform and reformed nothing," he says. "I've got a plan to cut costs and cover everyone."
Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the campaign had no plans to take down the ad and questioned the timing of the request.
“The Clinton campaign didn't say a word when this ad was released a month ago, and the only thing that's changed since then is the poll numbers," he said. "The truth is, Barack Obama would offer health coverage to every single American who can't afford it, and he'll do it by bringing Republicans and Democrats together like he's done before.
"Rather than spending their time attacking Barack Obama, the Clinton campaign should explain how exactly they plan to order every American to buy health insurance even if they can't afford it," he added.
Related: Obama defends healthcare plan in DNC speech
– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
Yes You Are Right Mr Guinn Mr Obama Is Consistant,A Consistant LIAR,That Has Swayed Idiots Like You In The Wrong Direction,And It Also Seems That Along The Way He Has Brainwashed Half Of America,But Mostly I'am Still Out To Lunch On The White People For Obama Stories.Out Of All People They Were The Less Likely To Support A Candidate Of The Greater Proportion Of His Campaign Is Baseless,And Misdirected To People Who Vote Before They Thing,I Am African-American And I Have Seen From Day One,That Whenever Mr Obama Opens His Mouth He Either Does Not Know What He Is Talking About,Or He Is Continuing His Porteat Of Misdirected Lies That Among Most People I Thought The White Population Would See At Least By Now That Mr Obama Has Not Delivered Anything That He Has Claimed To Be Perceived.And The Most Important Part Of This Debauchary,Is The Man Offers No Solutions Just A lot Of Inuendo.I Knew He Were A LIAR When He Started Talking,Oh Yeah He's A Magnifant Preacher,But That's Were He And Mrs Clinton Differs,She Has The Political Prowess Like It Or Not To Take This Country In The Right Direction,Sure She Has Her Faults,But So Do The Rest Of The Field,You Just Hear More About Her Because It Sells Newspapers And Internet Positions,The Number One Reason According To A Survey Is That People Would Not Vote For Her 25% Said That It Were Because They Just Did Not Like Her.That's A Good Way To Change Our Corporate America,Let's Start Hiring People For The Job Because We Just Plain Out Like Them,But Their Not Qualified,Yeah,But That Didn't Matter When The US Elected Their President Based On His Speeches,He Were By No Means Qualified In Any Thing Except In The Case Of LIEING Maybe.......It Really Scares Me To Think That White & Black Leaders,& Pundits Are Willing To Put A Man In Office That Most Of Us Are Terrified That If He Is Elected Will Invite Major Terrorist Organizations To This Country,It Seems That He Is More Conserned With Military Prison Camps,And Attacking Iran,And For The Vote For The War That Is A Ghost Of A Decision,Considering He Did Not Have A Vote To Give,But His People Fails To Mention This In His Talks About Being The Only One To Get It Right,What Exactly Did He Get Right,The Vote Against The Lieberman-Kyl Resolution That He Made,Oh I'am Sorry I Mean The Vote On The Iran Issue That He So Conviently Missed,And Then He And His Spin Doctors Make It Seem That This Man Is Trustworthy...Not On My Tick Tock
Clinton supporters spew hate, Obama supporters spew information, compassion. Supporters are not the candidates, but it is difficult sometimes to separate the feeling that the supporters are influenced by the attitudes of their candidate.
Clinton = division.
Obama = leadership
Independent analyses show that both plans would provide affordable health care insurance to everyone.
That's all. This miniscule detail of mandate or not does matter. Clinton's mandate would be rejected out of hand. Obama;s plan could have bipartisan support.
Obama is the best candidate. And as people learn more, that becomes more clear. That is why Obama is gaining in the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, and the polls will begin to tighten eventually in SC and the rest of the country following the Iowa caucuses.
Clinton should maintain her 15 to 20 point lead in the national polls until the beginning of January. That is when the Feb 5 States will start to pay attenttion, and that's when the national polls will begin to reflect the Iowa polls.
A nice article from the Huffington Post (of all places...):
A nice article from the Huffington Post (of all places)...
I try to look at the overall qualities of the candidates and how well he or she would do with credibility with world leaders as well as the issues at home. Hillary would be the laughing stock of other countries...she is lousy with no experience. Obama is a good speaker and firm in his ideas and could command respect from other nations's leaders. If Hillary gets nominated, I'm voting Republican no matter who is running!
Why is Hillary so afraid to come out and talk about her 'mandate' and pit her plan up against Obama's. If he says his plan is offered to all on affordability, it makes more sense to me than a mandate. But let's see hers laid out too.
In my opinion, Obama's plan is the only one with a chance of succeeding on the national level. If there's one word that red states HATE to hear, its "mandatory."
While Obama's would make healthcare affordable for everyone by putting all the "stragglers" into one group, you are free to turn it down if you so do choose (if for some reason you feel like paying more...). Thus OBAMA's plan is a GREAT step in the right direction, and the ONLY one that has a CHANCE of getting through Congress.
OBAMA has been dishonest with his health care plan and been flip-flopping:
1) Why has he sometimes said his first name is Arabic, and other times Swahili? Why did he make up names in his first book, as the introduction acknowledges? Why did he say two years ago that he would "absolutely" serve out his Senate term, which ends in 2011, and that the idea of him running for president this cycle was "silly" and hype "that's been a little overblown"?
2) Obama flip-flopped on social security. Senator Barack Obama's characterized the highly successful Social Security program as being in "crisis," just nine days after he said the opposite stating that "Social Security is not in crisis."
3) Obama flip-flopped on his “one America” position—in his “one America” speech. He said that while Illinoisans don’t expect the government to solve their problems, Illinoisans are going to kick and scream until the government solves their problems.
4) Obama flip-flopped on Alito ("A filibuster would be a waste" then "OK, I'll support a filibuster as a symbolic gesture") and he flip-flopped on lobbying reform.
5) In one debate at Dartmouth College, in Hanover, New Hampshire, with Tim Russert serving as Moderator, Obama just flip-flopped and stated to Tim Russert that he would "do everthing necessary" to stop Iran from becoming a Nuclear Power. If Senator Obama vacillates on his postion when Tim Russert poses a question to him, what would Obama do or say in tense discussions with World Leaders. I reiterate that Obama lacks Leadership.
6) Obama flip-flopped on the Iraq war. Obama was an opponent of the Iraq War from its inception, when he was an Illinois state senator. But later he also said the U.S. now had an obligation to see the war through. "I don’t think any of us should be rooting for failure in Iraq at this point," he said. "This is no longer George Bush’s war. This is our war." . Obama said he would support sending more troops to Iraq if it would hasten the end of the war. An immediate withdrawal, he said, would create "an extraordinary hotbed of terrorist activity" and be "a slap in the face" to the troops fighting there. However, in January, Obama proposed legislation that would have started pulling out troops in May 2007 with a goal of having all combat troops out by March 31, 2008.
I find it funny that Steve feels the need to call people names like "idiot". If you can't afford to live in BOSTON on your salary there's a simple solution.... move to a cheaper city with a cost of living you can afford!! Giving people something for nothing has never motivated anyone. Michigan is a perfect example. Our state welfare system is highly abused and we have a large % of able-bodied, able-minded people living off public assistance with no intention of getting a job. Ever. And they will tell you this. Forgive me, but I think that's crap to expect me to pay for other's health care. (and I'm 'just' middle class myself, not well-off.
I needed an education, and borrowed money to do so, which I repaid myself. I didn't see anyone giving me a hand-out. Nor did I expect one. And I lived on less than 31K in a large city, so yes, it can be done. Maybe consider this: stop hurling silly insults and concentrate on supporting yourself...
Umm why was this story filed today 12/1/2007 but all the comments are from yesterday?? Trying to reignite the story??? This is a blatant play for Clinton how ridiculous
My God, you're right, if only I'd thought of moving! All I would've needed to do was abandon my job, save up several thousand dollars for first-last-security-realtor's fee, and then probably bought a car, with insurance, etc. etc. I bet that would've save me *tons* of money!
I admitted flat out there are plenty of people who try and game the system. There's also plenty of people who are screwed over by the system, or simply can't take care of themselves. If you're willing to vindictively sacrifice innocent, less fortunate people's health and lives because you don't want to give handouts to the con-artists out there, you're more than an idiot, you're a selfish jerk. And I don't think that's an insult, it's just a descriptor.
The #1 cause of injury, disability, and DEATH in America is, Health Care. More people die now from contact with the American Medical Health Care system than from any other cause of death. More than from Cancer, Heart disease, or Stroke. More than any other country in the world. Many times more than any other people in the world. This fact is a catastrophic indictment of the entire US Health Care System.
Driven by greed. And a rush to profit. Thousands of Americans are killed, and injured daily in America. By compromised health care. Cutting corners. Over, and under treatments. And poisonings with all manor of toxic, poisonous pharmaceuticals. Especially the children. America only makes up 2-4% of the world population. But Americans buy, and consume 50% of all pharmaceuticals world wide.
But the tide has turned. I can see it. Hear it. And feel it. The message is getting out. And taking hold about the fact that we have a very serious, and major health care crisis going on in America. Hurting everyone. Especially our precious little children. Rich, and poor alike. And most all Americans seem to understand now that "HR 676 Not For Profit Single Payer Universal National Health Care For All (Medicare For All)" is the way to go. Like all the other developed countries have done. I have seen numbers as high as 90% of Americans want government managed health care Now. Medicare for all. Like other developed countries have. And like older Americans have now.
BRAVO!!! America. YOU GET IT! YOU REALLY GET IT! See sickocure.org.
It's NOW TIME to bring out the BIG GUNS!! The BIG GUNS!! are you. The American people. And anyone else that wants to help. From now until HR 676 is passed into law. I want every person to reach out and touch their fellow Americans every day if you can. I want you to take a phone book. And call at least one of your fellow Americans every day. And ask them to pickup the sword of HR 676 Single Payer Not For Profit Universal Health Care For All (Medicare For All).
Call more than one each day if you can. And ask them to do the same as you are doing if they can. And also to put maximum pressure on their politicians to get HR 676 done. And to make sure their politicians support HR 676. Accept no substitute. HR 676 is a no-brainer. It's the best way to go on health care. It's the only moral, and ethical way to go. That is why every other developed country has done it. Most did it years ago.
I know that many of you have been doing a fabulous job of spreading the word by talking it up with family, friends, and co-workers. And putting pressure on the politicians to get HR 676 done ASAP. The phone calls to your fellow Americans will increase the pressure. And grow the movement at an astonishing, and exponential rate. And I know many of you have been wanting to do something more to help. The phone calls to your fellow Americans is something you can do every day to help.
Trust me. It will be something to see. But you have to keep the focus, and pressure on getting HR 676 passed pronto. They will try to distract you. With all manor of other crises, and catastrophes. And other plans. Don't be distracted. HR 676 Single Payer Not For Profit Universal Health Care is the #1 concern of the American people. Thousands of Americans are dieing daily now. And you or your loved ones could be next.
There is no good reason HR 676 cannot be passed into law well before the coming elections. Do not tolerate delays. If it is not passed before the coming elections. All America will know which politicians are on the side of the American people. And which are not when they vote. Well before the elections.
Everyone can do this. Most of you are well informed about HR 676. This truly is one of those no-brainers. Be considerate of your fellow Americans when you call. But be comfortable about calling. These are your fellow Americans. Some will be receptive. And some will not be. Some maybe rude, and mean. Just thank them, and move on to the next. Most will be with you. And if you get a call from one of your fellow Americans about HR 676. Let them know you are already on board. And thank them for calling. Build them up. And keep them strong. They are fighting for all of us.
I will try to make a second post with just a few of the reasons everyone with 2 working brain cells agrees HR 676 is the best way to go. But you can also look them up for your-self. And read some of the positive informed post on many of the message boards too.
Lastly, I am sick and tired of hearing how the candidates, and politicians health care plans are going to protect, and preserve the private for profit health insurance companies that have been killing, and ripping off the American people. And now the politicians want to mandate (require) that every American has to support the private for profit insurance company's that have been killing, and ripping you off. Or you will be fined, and PENALIZED. Thats right. PENALIZED. Ridiculous! The politicians really think you are all detached idiots. CASH COWS! To lead to the slaughter. Don't put up with that.
So get on it America. Get those phones going. Chat it up! Save some lives. You want all of America talking about HR 676 becoming law, Now! Before more die needlessly. Make it happen. And to my fellow cyber warriors. You have been doing great! I see it! Keep it up. 1 of 2 post...
Below are a few reasons why "HR 676 Single Payer Not For Profit Universal Health Care For All (Medicare For All) is a no-brainer. And some reasons why private for profit health insurance is a stupid idea, and injuring, and killing you and your loved ones.
Medicare cost 2-3% to administer. Private insurance cost 30% to administer.
Under HR 676 everyone would be covered from birth to death. No co-pays. No-deductible. No out of pocket cost. Plus Dental. And Vision. For less cost than we pay now under private health insurance.
With private insurance. You have 47 million Americans with no insurance.
And 89 million Americans that had no insurance part of the time from 2006-2007.
And over a 100 million that are under insured.
18-30 thousand Americans that die each year from lack of health care.
Health Care bills as the #1 cause of personal bankruptcy. And loss of homes.
Under HR 676 health care is moral, and ethical.
Private for profit insurance is immoral. And unethical.
Profit is the primary motive of the private insurance companies.
They make profit by charging needy, vulnerable, sick Americans as much as they can charge them.
Then they make more profit by denying them care when they most need it. And are most vulnerable and unable to fight back. When they are sick. Or trying to recover from major illness.
Yep! I know you are getting angry. I'm sorry. But I have to continue.
Under HR 676: we will save 300 billion dollars in administrative cost each year.
With private insurance: we spent more per capita on health care than any other country in the world. Over twice as much as most other developed country's. Yet we have 47 million with no health care.
We rank at the bottom in quality of health care #37.
Americans have a shorter life expectancy than people from all other developed countries. We rank # 42 in life expectancy. Down from #1.
For the first time in American history. The life expectancy of American children is less than that of their parents. American children are dieing at a record rate. And are in terrible health generally.
People from other country's enjoy a much higher level of general health than the best privately insured Americans.
Americans are also shrinking. We used to be the tallest people in the world. Now we are down to # 10.
People from other country's never have to worry about going bankrupt, or loosing their homes over medical bills if they get sick.
Maybe you should go take a break for a while before I go on. I know this must be upsetting. But this is just a small part of the sad truth about private health insurance that HR 676 can fix.
Under HR 676: Health care will be based on need. Not on profit. And high standards, and quality will be enforced, and patients protected by the Government through a dedicated civil service. With the power, and resources to rain in abuses of patient care. Like they do with Medicare now.
With private insurance: Medical care is base on ability to pay. And profit. Tens of thousands of patient are killed, and millions are injure, crippled, and mutilated each year under private for profit health care, and insurance.
By insurance companies denying needed care to increase their profits.
By hospitals cutting corners. And using the cheapest least experienced personnel, equipment, and standards they can get away with.
By doctors that over treat, and under treat. Who injure, mutilate, and kill patients with unnecessary test, procedures, surgery, and invasive diagnostic test for profit. Who poison, kill, and injure millions of Americans with all manor of unnecessary pharmaceuticals for profit. Men, Women, Children, and babies.
Americans makeup 2-4 % of the world population. But Americans buy, and consume 50% of all pharmaceuticals world wide. This is a monstrous evil. And immorality.
And lastly, by politicians that take blood money from all these despicable groups and turn blind eye's to this slaughter of the American people. And the slaughter of their own loved ones. And them-self.
Well I could go on. And on. But I think this is enough to get you started making your daily phone calls to your fellow Americans to support HR 676. And to help them understand how important it is that each of them join the fight. And bring the MAXIMUM pressure to bear on all individuals, parties, and especially your politicians, and Representatives. To get HR 676 passed into law immediately.
This is an emergency. America is in a crisis. More Americans have died from this health care crisis than have died in all the wars in US history. Do your best. Millions of Americans lives are counting on each of you. Including your own life. Remember, you are Americans. You know how to fight for your country when you have too. The whole world is in your blood. I'm with you.
All the best... 2 of 2
i'm really getting sick of the obama campaign. these people need to wake up and smell the roses. their candidate will NEVER, NEVER get the nomination. kicking hillary all the time will give the other side more fodder for their cannon. HILLARY 08'
What a joke. Clinton calling Obama on dishonesty. She is liar by commission and omission on a regular basis. She is a cheap, sleazy and untrustworthy candidate whose entire life is a promotion. She conducts a campaign resembling a house of cards that is now taking a big tumble.
RE:What a masterful job, John! May the peasants rise and perforate you with their pitchforks!
They will, however, be shocked at the black blood.
Posted By Steve, Lyons, CO : December 1, 2007 2:32 am
My point is that people already have a sense of entitlement, why do you feel that health care is a right? It is a privelege. Government can provide whatever the electorate decides it should provide. Why not guarantee food or a home, these are even greater "necessitees" than health care? Why has the health care field been chosen as the start of socialism? If we guarantee universal health care, more people lose their incentive to work. You are responsible for providing for yourself and your family, the government should not be there for our every need. Our health care system will suffer the same fate as medicare and social security if the government takes it over. Both those programs already have great fiscal problems, and I have seen no sign that the government can balance a budget like we all do at home.
My arguement is logic, unlike your references to pitchforks and peasants. It makes great drama, but your statement is nothing but typical liberal venom. If someone doesn't agree with your liberal beliefs, then stick them with pitchforks?
Your only logical statement was that insurance companies have a much higher overhead than medicare (which is in deep trouble). A single payor system is more efficient, but if that occurs, people must pay for their health care premiums and not continually look towards "the rich" to fund their "needs".
By the way, I am a health care provider, and have treated hundreds to thousands of patients that could not pay. I am not worried that my blood is black as you say, I would put my altruism up against yours any day.
Lastly, if anyone here is concerned by unnecessary medical tests, blame your friendly malpractice lawyer. Lawsuits shape the way health care is delivered, and if you want your tests to be dictated by fear of lawsuits, then keep us on our current path. If you think your doctors are killing you with treatment, you always have the option of not going.
We can't afford medicaid as it is right now (50 million people on it). The reason being, Americans aren't responsible. Those with medicaid spend more time in hospitals for minor problems (ie colds) than anybody else.
That being said. If we can't afford to pay for a program that gives full coverage to 1/6th of our population..how can we afford to pay for one that covers all of it?
As long as Americans aren't responsible, neither of their plans will work. We won't have money for any other programs if we go with either candidate's proposals.
Say "hello bigger budget deficit."
John in Columbia,
I'm a different Steve, but I'm intrigued by your question of "why not give food and housing if you're going to give medical care?" The fact is, the government DOES give food and housing in the form of food stamps, shelters, low income housing, etc. US society long ago decided that basic needs should be available to everyone, people should not starve on our streets. Does it happen anyway? Of course. But a huge part of that is due to medical bills, untreated mental health issues, etc. etc.
What I want to know from foes of socialized medicine is why they so readily accept socialized military, police, fire departments, and, in some cases, education, but not healthcare. Health issues destroy far more lives than do muggers, terrorists, or house fires, after all.
Corrections to my last post.
I typed too quickly and made a lot of grammatical errors.
1) The argument about universality of health coalesces simply on the responsibility of the citizen, and on the premise of affordability. The argument for a mandate e.g. for children also is based on the same idea, i.e. can the law be followed, have we enough resources so that our laws do not bite our back
2) Clinton says how can we make it work commercially, whereas Obama says how can we stop commercialising health care. Both of them arguably have the same goal, that health care be universal, but they have fundamental difference. The premise of their solutions are very different. Obama has the best premise. Clinton solves a problem that was created, whereas Obama introduces a new health care plan system.
3)Mandates, though we end up getting used to them are in the long run complex systems. They create many complex problems that we face today. The reason that today many people with vested interest have found loop holes is because of the same old thought of the basis for enforcing strategies by law, taking away government from the people. In the end, the government has too much power, gets blamed when there are problems, and so forth. This is the problem that a lot of people do not see with mandates and other related styles.
I was reading all of the posts. It gives me the impression that OBAMA's people are coming here constantly on regualr basis and put up positive comments for him. Moreover most of their post have no contribution to the discussion. I also find them very very hostile to the "heading" given by CNNN> sORRY oBAMA WORKERS we are not that stupid. NICE TRY>
John, Columbia, SC:
I agree with your line of reasoning, especially as it relates to the link between entitlement and personal initiative. It is an interesting national discussion...the line between Govt and personal responsibility. All too often the Govt interjects itself at the peril of personsibility of the individual.
You are so right about "typical liberal venom"...funny it comes from those so concerned about the erosion of our civil liberties.
All the blogs I read points out again and again how we vote. You are not in high school voting for the best looking, most popular, the most white, most black, most brown, yellow or red. That is how "Bush", along with the Supreme Court intervention, was placed into office under the guise of "Born again Christian". In the beginning Obama and his wife were on a talk show. Obama's wife, Michelle, made a statement that Obama, being a black man, could not go to a gas station without the treat of being shot, in this country. What a divisive and prejudice statement! I am white and had a white cousin who was shot dead in a Wisconsin gas station – by a black man. All he was doing was getting his car fueled. He had a wife, children and grandchildren. He was active in his community. So, what does that say, Michelle's statement and the actual event. We the people need dicipline. We have gone amuck in our decisions and actions. Grow up and pick leaders who consider the whole rather than the single intertest. Our community, the world, deserves our intelligence and good sense.
THAT TOO GREEN OABMA DONT KNOW WHAT EHS TALKING ABOUT- MISLEADING STATEMENT ABOUT HIS HEALTH CARE- PRES. BILL CLINTON SAID -WHEN OBAMA TALKING ABOUT EHALTH CARE UH ITS INTERSTEING-HE MEMIC HILALRY THE EBST HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT EVRYBODY COVERED- WOLD BLITZXER GOT HIM DURING THE DEABTE- HE WONT COVER ALL AMERICAN- OABMA STOP LYING- UR FRAUD CABDIATE QUIT NOQ-UR USELESS.
Obama is lying on this one folks,how will he do it if you dont madate it.or how will he pay for it.15 million yes it does leave out that many.another hypocrite out of the side of his mouth.
Rather interesting read –
Sen. Clinton To Pay Off Vilsack's Campaign Debt
Details Have To Be Worked Out
POSTED: 6:31 pm CDT March 27, 2007
UPDATED: 6:53 pm CDT March 27, 2007
DES MOINES, Iowa - Former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack gave Sen. Hillary Clinton his endorsement for her presidential campaign.
The Clinton campaign has promised Vilsack to help pay off a $400,000 campaign debt he built up during his run for the White House.
A representative for Clinton's campaign said they are not sure how their campaign will do that. They concede that at some point, Clinton will have to contact her supporters.
The campaign said there is no connection between Vilsack's endorsement and their commitment to help pay off his campaign debt.