December 3, 2007
Posted: 11:00 AM ET

A new poll out of Iowa Monday shows Clinton ahead of Obama. Another poll released Sunday showed Obama over Clinton.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — An AP poll released Monday seems to show Hillary Clinton on top of the Democratic primary field in three critical early-voting states.

The survey, which comes less than two days after a similar Des Moines Register poll showed Illinois Sen. Barack Obama leading the pack in that state by a similar slim margin, highlights the fluid nature of the race in Iowa.

The poll finds the New York senator drawing strong support from crucial Democratic constituencies like women and older voters, who tend to turn out in greater numbers on Election Day than other voters.

Meanwhile, Obama's biggest support — particularly in Iowa — comes from younger and better-educated voters, liberals and Democratic-leaning independents. John Edwards, the former North Carolina senator who is fighting for a share of the lead in Iowa, has yet to lay claim to any major primary voting bloc.

In Iowa, Clinton is essentially tied with Obama, 31 percent to 26 percent, with Edwards at 19 percent and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson at 10 percent. Clinton leads Obama by a larger margin in New Hampshire, 38 to 19 percent, with Edwards at 15 percent and Richardson at 10 percent. In South Carolina, Clinton appears to dominate the field with 45 percent of the vote. Obama is preferred by 31 percent and Edwards10 percent.

But the AP poll also appears to reveal some potential landmines for the New York senator.

While Democrats in all three states overwhelmingly call Clinton the Democrat with the best chance of winning the White House, that honor doesn't carry the weight it did four years ago, when it Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, used it capture the party’s nomination. Fewer than one in four say they would prefer an electable candidate to one with whom they agree on the issues — more than 10 percentage points fewer than last cycle in Iowa and New Hampshire.

More troubling for Clinton, both Obama and Edwards have more support than the New York senator as a second choice in the Hawkeye State – a distinction that could be vital on caucus night when candidates with weak support are eliminated in early voting. In addition, 18 percent of Iowa Democrats entirely rule out voting for her. The only other candidate who approaches that figure is Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, at 12 percent.

Even the best numbers for Hillary may not quite as positive as they appear. CNN Polling Director Keating Holland pointed out that the length of the survey – it was conducted over more than two weeks, from November 7 through 25 – means that impact of Obama’s surge in recent weeks may not be reflected, since those results have been combined with interviews from earlier in the month. “Does this poll reflect how Iowans feel today? Maybe not,” said Holland.

The telephone surveys in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina had margins of error of plus or minus 5.5, 5 and 6 percentage points respectively.

Filed under: Iowa • New Hampshire • Presidential Candidates


Mrs. Feilds Iowa   December 5th, 2007 7:58 am ET

Democrats are going to be reluctant to nominate someone they know so little about as Obama and will wonder if the nation is ready for a candidate who has ONLY been a senator for 104 weeks before running for president and missing ALL imprtant votes.(it's not!!). Don;t waste your vote for obama in IOWA,They will also wonder about nominating Edwards, who lost twice in 2004. When the question becomes viability, Hillary is in a league of her own with her ability to bring new female voters to the polls. Not becuase she has a TV show,becuase she is the best candidate running thsi election

NO DEMS,LA.   December 4th, 2007 9:10 pm ET

LETS SEE! I THINK ALL THE LIBERAL DEMS LOSE!!!! GEAUX HUCKABEE!!

Harvey, Maple Shade, NJ   December 4th, 2007 1:20 pm ET

Since when people start thinking that politicians are honest. Are you guys living in a dream world?

Robert M. Reidy N.Y.   December 4th, 2007 9:11 am ET

Looks like she is belching another cackle!

As the country awakens to put the Hillary campaign to sleep. Sweet dreams!!!

Rise and shine America to a new day dawning!!!

The Obama love train coming to a town near you…

a,thomas, ny, ny   December 4th, 2007 9:01 am ET

This AP poll or survey distinguish from other daily polls in its depth and issues. While a daily poll result may change depending on the tv ads or news of the day before heard by the respondents, this AP survey go into surveying how each candidate handling each important political issue, and who will be considered electable as next president.

The AP survey requires respondents to calm down and objectively rank each candidate on issues and electability. In the end, they rank Hillary over Obama and other candidates. In other words, deep in the mind of most democrat voters and that will likely persist at time of voting, they do think Hillary is the most experienced and best qualified to be the nominee.

The fact that Hillary is the most electable candidate should eliminate Obama as a nominee.

R. Young, Fort Wayne IN   December 4th, 2007 2:50 am ET

It seems to me that examining a candidates position on the issues is only considering half of the question. Mr. Edwards basically talks about changing Washington and the special interests, but no thought seems to be given as to how to accomplish that. We are all bothered by the influence of money, but even the best President in the wolrd can do only so much - he has to have a majority support in Congress to get anything accomplished. It seems to me that more consideration needs to be given to who can accomplish what they promise. Dennis K. has some good ideas, but we all know that he would inspire very few of the washington elite to join in and get the job done. The most likely change will come form the Washington insiders who also want to make the current system better - they will be able to work with the powers already there, and possible make progress on the overall agenda. the President can push change all he wants, but unless he can led Conagress - rather than just threatening them - little will be accomplished. Luckily, George Bush was a screamer rather than a leader - there was little of his agenda put in place permanently, because he could not work with Congress to get important thigns accomplished. Remember, it takes 60% of the Senate to really advance an agenda, and so usually, that means a bi-partisan approach is the only way. While the words of Obama and Edwards sound great, only Hillary seems to realize that you have to appeal to all sides to get things done. A position paper really does not matter much, if there is no likelihood that anything will ever be enacted. thus, the stands taken on the issues have only limited importance - what is important is who will be able to get anything actually accomplished. Bill Clinton appealed to the center of the party - not the left wing - and was thus able to accomplish balanced budgets, etc. And of course, the most important factor is to get the candidate who can win the general election by appealing to the moderates of both parties, since the best ideas in the world from the Democrats will make no difference, if we do not first win the election. the polls are volatile because everyone wants to see who looks like the winner - not just in the primaries, but in the fall election too. that was the key to the Kerry victory in the 2004 primaries. And hopefully, it will be the key in 2008. Luckily, all of the leading Democratic candidates are quite close on the issues, and we are only picking the very best from a group of great candidates. I almost - but not quite - feel sorry for the Republicans. They do not seem to be happy with anyone - gee that's just too bad. How wonderful it is to have all of our front runners - and most of the second group - be great candidates in what looks like a great year for Democrats.

Jacob, Des Moines Iowa   December 3rd, 2007 11:59 pm ET

it was a 3 week poll conducted between Nov. 7 and Nov 25

that can hardly be considered "new" let alone reliable

occording to the RELIABLE, RECENT polling, iowa is in a 3 way tie with OBAMA slightly having the lead

Howard, Huntington, NY   December 3rd, 2007 11:11 pm ET

William: If Democrats elect Obama in primary, GOP will definitely win white house. GOP will crach Obama like a masketoe. This is why Karl Rove so desperately gave advice to Obama to beat Clinton–they are so afraid of Clintons (because they are genius).

You've got to be kidding. The GOP is salivating at the chance to face Hillary in a general election. There's a basic hatred against her there that will bring out plenty of voters to vote against her.

If you mention Obama to a Republican, they may disagree with his policies, but they don't dislike him. You mention Hillary to a Republican, and they'll go nuts. Nominating Hillary gives the GOP their best hope at winning next year.

David , Massachusetts   December 3rd, 2007 10:28 pm ET

Matt, you are totally right. Joe Biden is so far ahead of the other candidates in any if the issues but he is not a "Rock Star". Joe is the answer and hopefully the news media will start paying more attention to him.

OBAMA 2008   December 3rd, 2007 9:15 pm ET

This is great I love to read comment posted on here like the one's that William from Alexandria,Va has posted and Chip From Celine Oh! I agree with both of them 100%. Hillary isn't going to win unless these women get wrapped up in a first woman president, When they should take a step back listen to her view and realize and say hey she doesn't believe or she's not the right one for the job. But instead all these women are going to support her because she is the first woman. SHE DOESNT HAVE SUPPORT WHAT SHES DONE IS TRICK THESE WOMEN AND THEY NEED TOO WAKE UP FAST SOMEONE PLEASE WAKE UP THESE WOMEN!

Adella Jones Iowa   December 3rd, 2007 7:37 pm ET

Great News for Hillary and the rest of the country…IOWANS are intelligent, anyone can be dazzled by show biz names like Oprah for a few minutes, but when it comes to your Childs future, safety, education and health, HILLARY is the BEST choice for President.

Especially after the way she has handled herself during all the bashing from the boys club, especially obama (who now looks childish) and the way she handled the news conference after the hostage situation. We saw a strong compassionate Presidential leader, ready to fight! And a very loving friend and mother! That’s the trait that our country could use allot more of, instead of hate & wars.

Clinton will win Iowa and seal the nom.

Worst case scenario, obama win the nom, and then our next President would be a republican… WE CAN'T ARRORD TO LET THAT HAPPEN.

Hillary is the ONLY ONE who can beat any of the republicans…remember. Bush won a second time…America cannot afford the inexperience of someone like obama. John Edwards, or Bill Richardson would be even better than obama, all he has to offer is…well…Oprah?

I say Lets give a woman a chance to do what a man has been trying to do since George Washington!
VOTE FOR CLINTON

IOWA LOVES CLINTON   December 3rd, 2007 7:18 pm ET

GO HILLARY GO! IOWANS ARE INTELLIGENT VOTERS!
WE KNOW THE SMART CHOICE IS CLINTON 2008

Just say NO! to obama winphrey. :)

Kim, Dallas, TX   December 3rd, 2007 7:06 pm ET

Watch what's going to happen. Clinton will pull out every stop she can to created adversity for Obama now. She represents what I totally detest about politics. We really need someone like Obama to lead us down a new, productive pathway. Clinton, I know integrity and honesty are difficult words for you, but please play fair.

Maryland   December 3rd, 2007 6:53 pm ET

Hmmmmm… Polls to belive or not to belive.Maybe the BCS could tell us how reliable polls are.America votes with their own knowledge,not with some bean counter telemarketer employed by special interest groups or the honest always impartial press looking to increase circulation or ratings.The people will speak when they cast their votes.

MK, Los Angeles, California   December 3rd, 2007 5:42 pm ET

This poll is worthless in terms of talking about the state of the ground in Iowa TODAY. The poll was conducted (meaning the pollster called people) a month ago and ended (meaning the pollster stopped calling people) ten days ago. The poll is therefore almost two weeks out-of-date!! More recent polls (meaning conducted within the past two weeks) have all shown that Obama is ahead and Clinton in second. The age of the poll is also reflected in the results on the Republican side. This old poll shows Romney in the lead but polls done since this one have shown Huckabee in the lead. Sorry folks but this is just an old out-of-date poll. This may have been news two weeks ago, but not now.

Linda, Chandler AZ   December 3rd, 2007 5:09 pm ET

"CNN Polling Director Keating Holland pointed out that the length of the survey – it was conducted over more than two weeks, from November 7 through 25 – means that impact of Obama’s surge in recent weeks may not be reflected, since those results have been combined with interviews from earlier in the month. “Does this poll reflect how Iowans feel today? Maybe not,” said Holland."

Exactly.

Silus,Iowa   December 3rd, 2007 4:58 pm ET

Let's just elect a Clinton. Did you all forget how GREAT things were under the Clintons? I didn't hear anyone complaining, record surpluses, a booming economy, detached international news…

Tell me one real problem we have today that we had under the Clinton Regime. Give me Bill back.

Posted By David, Fairfax, VA : December 3, 2007 3:56 pm

Hillary is not Bill and vice versa. I would think you are wrong on this one. Give me something different.
Bush ,Clinton,Bush Clinton not good for the country. Let's try someone new. Joe Bidden,Edward or Obama can be a good pick.

Dee Anna Roberts   December 3rd, 2007 4:50 pm ET

That's a New Poll out Monday LIE.

That Poll showing Hill ahead was conducted November 7th through the 25th.

It ain't NEW

Matt, Austin, TX   December 3rd, 2007 4:27 pm ET

I'm always amazed when people suggest Obama, Clinton, and Edwards appear like great leaders during debates. They have never shined from what I've seen. They never answer any question clearly and have few real plans for anything, just vague ideas.

The only candidate that ever answers a question directly is Joe Biden but he's not a sexy enough candidate for this country. There's not enough drama and intrigue and that's not good for ratings. He's the only candidate that actually has a plan to get us out of Iraq. He's the best candidate to combat the Republicans on foreign affairs and he has the resume to back it up. Being "first lady" shouldn't be a resume item.

It's a shame no one listens to anyone not named Clinton or Obama (the media's chosen ones).

David, Fairfax, VA   December 3rd, 2007 3:56 pm ET

Let's just elect a Clinton. Did you all forget how GREAT things were under the Clintons? I didn't hear anyone complaining, record surpluses, a booming economy, detached international news…

Tell me one real problem we have today that we had under the Clinton Regime. Give me Bill back.

William   December 3rd, 2007 3:49 pm ET

If Democrats elect Obama in primary, GOP will definitely win white house. GOP will crach Obama like a masketoe. This is why Karl Rove so desperately gave advice to Obama to beat Clinton–they are so afraid of Clintons (because they are genius).

Hussein Osama, new york, ny   December 3rd, 2007 3:42 pm ET

HAHA, Obama supporters do not like the polls now.

As expected, the obama supporters (who accepted the last iowa poll whole-heartedly) do not like the AP poll today when it negatively portraits Obama in all categories (health care plan, handling Iraq war, etc) according to the democrat voters in Iowa, New Hhampshire and South Carolina.

OBama has disapponted his supporters, after wasting their $80 million contributed to him.

NObama 08.

Ahtram, Oakton, Virginia   December 3rd, 2007 3:41 pm ET

Don't worry. No matter what the polls say, Hillary will stage a hostage crisis at her Hawaiian campaign headquarters the night before the Iowa primary.

Has anyone found out why this poor New Hampshire man went to Hillary's campaign headquarters, and not to, say, a homeless shelter, a bank, a church, a school, a police station, a restaurant,his State senator's office,his Congressman's office, his Governor's home, another New Hampshire representative's office–I mean, what was it about Hillary's headquarters, in particular, that grabbed this man's attention? In New Hampshire–not New York, no less?

You might say the whole event was planned because Hillary was losing in the polls. And because Obama had just had breakfast with the Mayor of New York.

You might say it, but I never would.

Aidyn, NY   December 3rd, 2007 3:26 pm ET

Go Hillary!!

Dan, TX   December 3rd, 2007 3:22 pm ET

Obama supporters love the NEW AP poll, the old one mentioned here is out of date .

The NEW AP poll, not yet published shows Obama has the lead.

Randy S. Lawton, OK   December 3rd, 2007 3:22 pm ET

They are even able to declare a state of emergency without having to prove cause. During this state of emergency Congress has no power, and cannot act for 6 months. This country is insane if it allows this to continue.

Posted By Ryan Theriot, Chicago, IL : December 3, 2007 2:50 pm
People continually post something to this effect on these blogs. Take a basic civics or poli sci course, folks. Stop drinking the Koolaid. It is not true, it has never been true, and it will never be true.
The President CANNOT single-handedly take over the government of this country.
The President CANNOT usurp the powers of Congress granted by the Constitution. That is one of the reasons this country has flourished and prospered for so long.
BTW they way I'm not a Hillary supporter. Right now I'm a nobody supporter, but I do like Ron Paul. Shame he won't get the nod.

Ciara, Paris France   December 3rd, 2007 3:18 pm ET

CNN Please do your job and post the Blog of Former CLINTON Adm offical Robert Reich support of Barack against Hillary's attacks !
http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2007/12/why-is-hrc-stooping-so-low.html
Why is HRC stooping So Low?

I’m becoming increasingly concerned about the stridency and inaccuracy of charges in Iowa — especially coming from my old friend. While I’m as hard-boiled as they come about what’s said in campaigns, I just don’t think Dems should stoop to this. First, HRC attacked O's plan for keep Social Security solvent. Social Security doesn’t need a whole lot to keep it going – it’s in far better shape than Medicare – but everyone who’s looked at it agrees it will need bolstering (I was a trustee of the Social Security Trust Fund ten years ago, and I can vouch for this). Obama wants to do it by lifting the cap on the percent of income subject to Social Security payroll taxes, which strikes me as sensible. That cap is now close to $98,000 (it’s indexed), and the result is highly regressive. (Bill Gates satisfies his yearly Social Security obligations a few minutes past midnight on January 1 every year.) The cap doesn’t have to be lifted all that much to keep Social Security solvent – maybe to $115,00. That’s a progressive solution to the problem. HRC wants to refer Social Security to a commission. That's avoiding the issue, and it's irresponsible: A commission will likely call either for raising the retirement age (that’s what Greenspan’s Social Security commission came up with in the 1980s) or increasing the payroll tax on all Americans. So when HRC charges that Obama’s plan would “raise taxes” and her plan wouldn’t, she’s simply not telling the truth.
More on the Blog !

therealist   December 3rd, 2007 3:16 pm ET

"women and older voters"

Hillary is going to need more than just the easiest prey among us..

Richard,boston,ma   December 3rd, 2007 3:14 pm ET

Bravo obama Bravooooooooooooooo! Keep cruising on….

Sabi Kanani, Dallas TX   December 3rd, 2007 3:12 pm ET

"In Iowa, Clinton is essentially tied with Obama, 31 percent to 26 percent, with Edwards at 19 percent"

–So, is Clinton essentially tied with Edwards too? Clinton News Network at it again.

Les WA   December 3rd, 2007 3:02 pm ET

I don't think Obama supporters will like this new poll by AP.

Good on Hillary…….you go girl!

BRAVO!!!!!!!

Steven Stewart, Portland, Oregon   December 3rd, 2007 2:57 pm ET

I am tired of hearing CNN called the Clinton News Network. If you don't like or trust CNN stop watching it. Maybe Fox News is more your cup of tea.

Posted By STOP Whinning, Holiday, Florida : December 3, 2007 2:07 pm

Tis very true as Fox News shows clinton with a twenty percent lead overall across the nation. Why is Iowa and NH the national pickers? We need to have a national selection, rather than the citzens of Iowa and NH choosing for us.

Joe, Boston, MA   December 3rd, 2007 2:55 pm ET

Biden all the way. He's gaining in the polls and when people finally take a look at all these candidates they'll realize he's the only one with REAL experience and the only one who will beat any Republican in the general election.

Come on Iowa vote for the one with experience and remember we need someone who can actually take on any of those republicans in the race.

Maggie, New York City   December 3rd, 2007 2:51 pm ET

What Rove really wants is a dirty fight on the dems side. It can only benefit his republican party.

Ryan Theriot, Chicago, IL   December 3rd, 2007 2:50 pm ET

Anyone who still considers themself a democrat or a republican after the last 20 years is living in a fantasy land that I can't begin to fathom. How long must we be lied to? How long can we allow the corruption to last? If Hillary wins we will have 24 (possibly 28) straight years of rule by two familes. During this time these families have restructured out government towards a communist dictatorship. They are even able to declare a state of emergency without having to prove cause. During this state of emergency Congress has no power, and cannot act for 6 months. This country is insane if it allows this to continue.

Only Ron Paul fights for our freedom. Please do your research.

faith,lowell,ma   December 3rd, 2007 2:32 pm ET

Wow, that picture is like Hillary has already worn the elections. How decieving CNN has become!

W.D., Silver Spring, MD   December 3rd, 2007 2:28 pm ET

The picture and the story here should be Obama's surge and continue gains!!! And it is true that when Clinton was ahead by 2 to 4 points every one was saying she had a slight lead. Now that Obama is ahead with the same points the story is they are in a dead heat!!! What gives? I guess He will get his headlines when he wins on Jan 3.

John, Va.   December 3rd, 2007 2:25 pm ET

The Obama campaign announced the endorsement today of John Adams, Brigadier General, US Army (retired). Adams retired from the Army in September after serving for more than thirty years. His final assignment was as Deputy United States Military Representative to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). Adams joins a growing list of high ranking members of the military who have endorsed Barack Obama.
“The challenges we are facing both domestically and globally require a willingness to change the way we approach problems. I am proud to have the support of General Adams and I look forward to relying on his sound judgment on international issues and his knowledge of the challenges people are facing in Arizona,” said Senator Barack Obama.

"Barack Obama’s ability to listen and inspire will allow him to shape a new domestic strategy of working together as Americans to safeguard our constitutional liberties and secure the blessings of prosperity for all our citizens,” said John Adams, Brigadier General, US Army (retired). “His sound judgment and ability to make tough choices under pressure will help him to shape a new international strategy of cooperating with our friends abroad to enhance global peace and security. We need his vision and integrity to address America's domestic and international challenges.”

AJ, IL   December 3rd, 2007 2:12 pm ET

All you Hillary supporters are just upset that Hillary is in a race that should could lose. Obama is in a statistically tie with Edwards and "Billary"! That's right, I said it, "Billary"! We all know that without Bill, Hillary has virtually no Democratic support. Bill Clinton have break or dominate Hillary's rise to the Presidency. If Bill Clinton were to endorse Obama (or some other candidate), for instance, Hillary's presidency would crash faster than sub-prime mortgaging. But if Bill Clinton were to pass-away, Hillary would gain Bill sympathizers and be able to claim that her and Bill did great things for America in the 1990s without much fear of attacks by her opponents (Democrats or Republicans). It may be a dark situation to discuss, but politically it is intriguing.

SD, NY, NY   December 3rd, 2007 2:09 pm ET

Obama has the support of the college kids; these are exactly the folks who keep spending all their time writing bloggs and posting messages. They are, by no means, representing the true US. Hillary is ahead again in Iowa and will win the nomination easily.

Bill, IA   December 3rd, 2007 2:08 pm ET

It always amazes me that people who are supposed to be so "intelligent" and "open-minded" allow themselves to be so easily controlled by the republican thought machine. We say that we are wise to the republican ways of manipulation, yet we allow them to dictate the way we feel about our candidates. Folks, they (the GOP) have been demonizing Bill and Hillary Clinton since 1992. They have called them every dirty name in the book…why? Because they knew that they could be effective agents of change. Now to hear democrats using the same criticisms of Hillary that the GOP has used for decades, one has to wonder…who is beating the drum to your march?

STOP Whinning, Holiday, Florida   December 3rd, 2007 2:07 pm ET

I am tired of hearing CNN called the Clinton News Network. If you don't like or trust CNN stop watching it. Maybe Fox News is more your cup of tea.

Frank, San Diego   December 3rd, 2007 2:06 pm ET

The degree of misunderstanding of polls is remarkable, a problem for which I largely blame the media. Let's hit a few quick pointers.

First, the number of people actually polled doesn't matter that much, except to the extent that it yields a particular margin of error. That, rather than the number of respondents, is what you really want to look at.

Second, the question of who is polled. Almost every reputable poll uses a stratified random sample. That means it takes a random sample from different "strata" of the population (age, gender, and so on). They also aim to poll either registered voters or "likely voters" and should (somewhere in the fine print) tell you which it is.

Third, significant changes in results in a single poll do not (necessarily) indicate either a problem with the poll or large shifts in opinion. For one thing, nearly every poll makes some effort to nudge undecided respondents one way or the other so as to more accurately represent the true contours of public opinion. The methods used range from gentle to forceful and, for that reason, can register the same actual shift in opinion as either significant or minor. It doesn't indicate incompetence, bias, or dishonesty. Its just an artifact of the different methodologies being used.

So, don't over interpret poll results. Don't question the pollster's veracity, unless its a partisan pollster with a questionable record or someone working for Fox News. And don't worry about small (or even large) shifts in the numbers of your favorite candidate. Try to look at long term trends. Look for floors and ceilings and don't get excited when new results fall within previously defined ranges for each candidate.

Seam, Philly PA   December 3rd, 2007 2:02 pm ET

These polls are so stupid and meaningless. Anyone following these polls to make any logical sense of the race is a moron.

Tony, Mount Vernon, NY   December 3rd, 2007 2:02 pm ET

All of these polls on Iowa combined with the other early primary states prove two things:

1.) It's too close to call Iowa
2.) Obama needs to win Iowa to get some momentum because Clinton has a clear lead everywhere else.

Facts are facts, Obama needs Iowa, Clinton just needs to hold on. December will be very telling indeed and January is going to be the end of the road. I'm glad it's over soon so we can see an end to these over-hyped media stories saying Obama's ahead one week and then take it back the next week to say Clinton's back.

The real story isn't who's ahead, it's who will win Iowa and what impact will that have in other early states. We'll see how it plays out soon enough.

TB, FL   December 3rd, 2007 2:01 pm ET

hahahaha Hey Vince Foster…that was pretty funny!!! hahahaha…I'm surprised CNN posted that one…

Thomas, Chattanooga, TN   December 3rd, 2007 1:59 pm ET

Who cares about Iowa, New Hampshire or South Carolina? Is anyone really stupid enough to let a primary in another state influence who they want to vote for? Research the candidates and make your OWN choice!

Tom, New York, NY   December 3rd, 2007 1:58 pm ET

Ryan, of New Jersey,

Oops… your facts are wrong…. you stated that Hillary's support is primarily amongst the wealthy… when actually it is the exact opposite…she is supported much more heavily by the poor and lower class people….you are correct in that she is supported by more women and elderly….it is actually Barack that is supported more by the wealthy in the polls….

I think you might have meant to say that more of the big corporate donors are supportive of Hillary than Barack…

Anyways, just thought I would straighten out your confusion

Surrealist, Fort Myers, Fl   December 3rd, 2007 1:55 pm ET

For all those out there who think the economy is so great. Go to the Department of Labor statistics–check out the CPI from 1987-2007…then check out average wages 1987-2007. You can go into any sector (well except highy paid professionals and congress–their pay grew significantly)–and see why middle class Americans are looking for some changes in Washington.

Wayne, Silver Spring   December 3rd, 2007 1:54 pm ET

The survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, in collaboration with the Associated Press, was conducted Nov. 7-25

Too bad this is an old poll!

Why Iowa?   December 3rd, 2007 1:51 pm ET

The real questio we should be asking is why Iowa continues to have the importance it does in selecting the democratic nominee. Only one democratic candidate has ever won the Iowa Caucus and gone on to win the general election. That was Bill Clinton in 1996 who was the imcumbent president and ran unopposed. While Jimmy Carter was able to win the White House in 1976 Iowans still prefered undecided to him by a significant margin. Any serious democrat who allows the results of the Iowa Caucus to influnce their vote for president is an idiot. Those who claim that Iowans do such a great job as our presidental selectors need to get familiar with the facts. These are not objective fair minded people who are taking their duty seriously. In 1992 76% of these people voted for Tom Harkin their favored son. Not exactly proof of their detached objectivity and fair assessment of the candidates. Anyone interested in the future of the democratic party should work to remove Iowa from its underserving position as first in the nation.

anon New York, NY   December 3rd, 2007 1:48 pm ET

Every morning, I type in "Clinton" and "Obama" into a Google News Search.

I can tell it's been a great couple days for Obama.

-flattering Time cover story
-up arrow in Newsweek's CW box.
-Atlantic Monthly cover
-great press about his strong and savvy field organization in Iowa.
-leading among Iowa women by 5 points.
-endorsemetns from the Des Moines mayor
-Clinton attacking him over petty issues, like him saying he wanted to be President in kidnergarten. It makes her look like she's worried.
-numerous general electon matchups showing him defeating all Republicans, while Clinton is either tied or losing to same Republicans.
-the media has given Obama good reviews for his more pointed remarks on the hypocrosy of Clinton's "experience" argument (ie: "She wasn't Secretary of the Treasury."

I think if he avoids making a major blunder, and if he continues to strongly defend himself from baseless or misleading attacks from Clinton, he is well-positioned to win the nomination and the general election.

Monte Brown, New York, NY   December 3rd, 2007 1:47 pm ET

Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and every state that wants to see the end of the right wing reign must vote for Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama is just an egomaniac and an inexperienced distraction. The Democrats have a mission to accomplish and it doesn't include feeding Obama's ego. The Democrats want to keep power in the House and the Senate and seize the executive branch as well to save the right wing lead Supreme Court. Obama does not care about the American people. If he did, he would have supported Hillary Clinton from the start. Instead he let the Republicans and the Hillary haters fund his campaign, and now he is attacking Hillary. Hillary is the only Democrat that can BEAT THE REPUBLICANS.

Obama’s shady tactics will not work. The American people are not blind and stupid. The American people are all not haters. The American people know why the haters attack Hillary. The American people can’t hide behind fear disguised as hate, lies and demagoguery anymore. The Republicans and Obama (a Republican-lite) have nothing on Hillary. They look for petty crap to sensationalize in the media. It burns my ear when I hear people repeat the hate that spew from the mouths of the demagogues. The whole Fox News is against Hillary and they’ve devoted most of their air time to attack Hillary. All you hear them say is “her unfavorables are too high”, and “she’s unelectable”. Are they kidding me? They are trying to get people to not vote for Hillary based on their lies. Do they honestly think that the American people are stupid enough to listen to Fox News?

Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate, the most experienced candidate and she’s READY TO LEAD ON DAY ONE. This is our country. Let's show the haters, liars and demagogues who runs America. Hillary Clinton running this race for the American people.

Will I Am   December 3rd, 2007 1:46 pm ET

I don't know about the polls but Clinton's support is slipping among blacks if you listen to black radio, that could swing in Obama's favor in the South, especially in SC where African American make up nearly 50% of the electorate.

PS, KC, MO   December 3rd, 2007 1:45 pm ET

The most telling figure is who the most popular 2nd choice seems to be. But that figure is not entirely helpful in and of itself. You really need to narrow that figure down. First, who are your most likely caucus goers, the people who show up election after election? Among those, who is supporting candidates least likely to be viable on caucus night (i.e., Dodd, Biden, Kucinich and, possibly, Richardson)? Once you have identified those people, find out who their 2nd choice is. It might be illuminating - and more helpful in predicting the outcome on caucus night.

Portland   December 3rd, 2007 1:38 pm ET

I knew Obama could not be ahead in Iowa, pundits and the media keep promoting him in order to make the interesting, much to ump their ratings.

Vince Foster   December 3rd, 2007 1:32 pm ET

Too bad Hillary didn't marry O.J.

Surrealist, Fort Myers, FL   December 3rd, 2007 1:26 pm ET

Funny, most people I know who are supporting Hillary represent decent low to middle income families with kids, working elderly (not the ones using their SS checks for motor home payments). I also know some veterans who are retired military and are concerned over increased deductibles/costshare of their healthcare–and unfair COLA to maintain quality of life.

Mike Orlando, FL   December 3rd, 2007 1:20 pm ET

She is the best candidate and people realize this. The numbers are only going to rise in her support over the next few weeks. Hillary is the source for change and strong leadership in this country, it's time everyone realizes this!

anon New York, NY   December 3rd, 2007 1:16 pm ET

I appreciate that CNN is not showing its usual pro-Clinton bias with this posting.

a.thomas, new york, ny   December 3rd, 2007 1:16 pm ET

Hillary has the following ADVANTAGES over other dem candidates, per the AP poll of Iowa (5 pts), NH (19 pts) & SC (14 pts):

1) HEALTH CARE - People consider Hillary beating Obama in handling Health care. On health care, no rival approaches the support Clinton wins from party voters. The 41 percent in Iowa who say she would best improve the country's medical system is double the support for Obama and Edwards, and she boasts even wider leads in New Hampshire and South Carolina.

2) IRAQ WAR - Hillary has double-digit leads over Obama and Edwards in Iowa and New Hampshire when Democrats are asked which candidate would make the wisest decisions about the war.

3) OTHER ISSUES – Hillary leads in all other issues that concern the dem voters. Obama and Edwards haven't taken title to any issues with party voters in the three states, the poll shows, though Obama is close to Clinton on immigration and job creation but the latters are of least importance to the dems voters.

4) CRUCIAL GROUPS SUPPORT - Hillary has amassed strong support among crucial groups including female, older, less-educated and lower-income Democrats _ significant because women and older voters in particular have dominated these primaries and caucuses in the past. Clinton draws the support of nearly half of women in New Hampshire and South Carolina.

5) DEALING WITH OPPOSITON - Hillary knows how to deal with the opposition.

6) BLACK & WHITE SUPPORT - Even among blacks who comprise about half of Democratic primary voters in South Carolina, Obama does no better than break even with Clinton. She offsets that by leading him by three-to-one among the state's whites. There are few black voters in Iowa or New Hampshire.

7) ELECTABILITY - Democrats in each state overwhelmingly call Clinton the Democrat with the best chance of winning the White House.

Class dismissed.

HILLARY 08!

Matt, Paris, Illinois   December 3rd, 2007 1:14 pm ET

She has REAL, WORKABLE ideas instead of just saying, as Obama does, that he'll give you whatever you want.
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You seem to have gotten the candidates confused. Obama's the one who went to Wall Street and railed about corrupt business practices, went to Detroit and told auto manufacturers they needed to get on the ball with environmentally sound automobiles. He's the one who talked about merit pay in front of teachers.
Hillary is the one who waits for poll numbers to come out before making any sort of policy position, who waits on her opponents to release their plans and then releases tweaked versions, and the one who chose to side with George W. Bush on Iraq, rather than displaying sound judgment and voting against the authorization for force.
Just thought I'd inform you, dmw, since you seem so uninformed.

Kim Lucia ,Charleston, SC   December 3rd, 2007 1:10 pm ET

Hillary Clinton will continue to receive negative comments from the men who are running against her because she is a woman. It has been this way from the beginning of time. However, many, including men, are listening. Many are shedding their pride to agree that a woman may actually do a better job, because the men who have represented this country in the past have surely caused this country alot of grief. She is a very educated woman, who has the country's well being at heart. She has proven to be an excellent senetor in following through with what she has laid on the table. She delivers and that is just what this country needs, honesty, integrity and lets not forget someone with an education.

W08, Tampa Florida   December 3rd, 2007 1:06 pm ET

Ohhhhh sure, we really believe the Clinton News Network telling us SHE is still ahead !!

Common Sense tells me, if SHE is ahead …why would SHE be going on the attack !!

HER internal polls must be WORSE than the polls being published ….why else is SHE running so scared !!

CNN must be in HER pant-suit pocket more than I originally thought !!

Richard Tabuteau, Atlanta, GA   December 3rd, 2007 1:02 pm ET

I'm impressed that CNN gave a balanced accounting of what the poll really means by adding the fact that it was conducted over a three week spread and has a very high margin of error (6%). Apparently, all the past blogger complaints about Clinton bias starting with the headlines to the analysis have worked.

Nita - SA - TX   December 3rd, 2007 1:01 pm ET

Hillary is logical and realistic. It really is listening to her that keeps in awe with her. The woman can talk. You can tell as dmw wrote "put thought into her ideas about what it will take to solve america's many many problems.

Wayne, Silver Spring   December 3rd, 2007 1:01 pm ET

CNN, can we please see the documentation for this POLL? I dont seem to find it online or on AP website.

Thanks,

kate, gb   December 3rd, 2007 1:00 pm ET

CNN…you're killing me with your SLANTED headlines. Rove is telling Obama how to beat Clinton?? Who cares??

And a picture of a 'victorious' Clinton when Obama is offically leading in the polls in Iowa and SC (for those that actually care about poll numbers).

After hearing the real news elsewhere, I was curious to see how you'd spin it all. Unoriginal (yet pathetic) for you, CNN.

Ivelisse   December 3rd, 2007 12:55 pm ET

not sure who in AP wrote this article…. but a lead of 31 to 26 is hardly "essentially tied"… that is more than the margin-of-error….

the press is trying to create a controversy that is not there… they are trying to create a 'horse-race' that is not there…..

Mr. Obama: please, oh please hurry up and DISAPPEAR!!!! we need breathing room for other better candidates… Mrs. Clinton: I would not mind is you disappear as well….

Brattleboro, VT   December 3rd, 2007 12:53 pm ET

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Hilary is only interested in one thing and one thing only; that is to draw down Obama into the gutter so that Iowa voters will get disgusted in both of them and choose Edward or anybody else but Obama. Hilary knows what awaits her if Obama were to defeat her in Iowa. Her whole strategy is to use NH as a come-back kid but for that to happen Obama has to lose or do poorly in Iowa.

Hilary’s game plan is going to backfire because she is not a believable person that can accuse others of character flaws. She has already latched unto her perceived Obama’s vulnerability, which is experience factor; but it seems like Iowa voters would place judgment first before experience criteria. Hence, she is treading on Obama’s area of strength, and that is character and credibility, which she cannot convince anybody to the contrary. If Obama does not go tit for tat with Hilary’s accusations but respond directly to clarify misinformation, then, Hilary is going to come across to the Iowa voters as chieftain of dirty politics a la Nixon and will pay her handsomely in kind.

— Posted by Edmonsky

Who Rules America   December 3rd, 2007 12:51 pm ET

Today it is said 2% of the households own 80% of the world's assets. This small elite group is also known as the ruling class. It's the ruling class who make the decisions of war and peace, who gets what, how and why. The ruling class fund both the Republican and Democrat front runners so it really doesn't matter which one gets in. While the republican and democrat working class are kept pitted against each other, the ruling class will continue to govern no matter which who is elected.
Read Who Rules America by Prof. James Petras Global Researcher
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4441

Chris, Middletown, CT   December 3rd, 2007 12:50 pm ET

What exactly is Hillarys position - I heard she said she never voted for the Iraq war….yet…she did….I heard she would not fund the war in Iraq - yet voted for funding everytime - I heard that she favors licensing illegal aliens (more politically correct to say "undocumented") - then in another breath…not sure if she really said that…maybe though….do the Hillary supporters just pick their own position and say that she supports what you want….because someone with the opposite viewpoint could use the same argument - whats wrong with you people…??

Ryan, New Jersey   December 3rd, 2007 12:48 pm ET

All you need to do is look at who supports Hillary most to know why she's the last one you would want to vote for. She's supported by the elderly, who have no interest in change and almost universally support Clinton because of the decade they enjoyed under Bill. Unfortunately, Hillary is not Bill, not by a long shot. She's also supported by women, ok, no argument there, but is that support genuine or just a little bit biased by the chance at making history? Finally, Hillary is supported by the most elite, rich members of the center-left, who have no interest in change from the status quo whatsoever. A vote for Hillary is a vote for another dismal decade.

Frank, San Diego   December 3rd, 2007 12:48 pm ET

Here we go again. Another round of yammering about polls. Polls this far out yield wildly divergent results (with large margins of errors) simply because a pollster needs to make a lot of assumptions about who to question and a lot of choices about how the questions ought to be structured. Bias for or against candidates rarely has anything to do with it.

This is especially true in Iowa, where it isn't a poll of likely voters (difficult enough to identify) but, rather a poll of likely caucus goers (try figuring out who that is in your spare time).

Want some advice from a political scientist? Ignore polls conducted by partisans of either party, or agenda driven operations like Fox News. The major networks and wire services do thorough and technically sound work, but don't expect their results to always cohere. And don't expect any of them to actually predict the results accurately if their rolling sample has a significant portion of its distribution lying more than 72 hours before the actual voting.

Surrealist, Fort Myers, Fl   December 3rd, 2007 12:45 pm ET

I don't know what Iowa's significance is anyway except psychological. With a total possible voter pool of less than 4 million voters–their Democratic voters impact on the Primary or National election is marginal in my view. If you look at non-agricultural America (which is the vast majority) where both parents struggling to juggle 2.5 jobs, 2.4 kids, 10-15% increases in utilities, insurance, tuition, etc…and a declining standard of living really live, I think the reality will be much different from the polls. No other candidate has the potential to restore America's prestige abroad and have a positive and lasting impact at home than Hillary. Family issues: healthcare affordibility, child and adult education,–are being totally skirted by the Republicans as "irrelevant". If we want to help build an empowered well-educated citizenry to power the economy of the future (5-10 years)we need to get started now–and the President needs to be leading the charge.

marquis   December 3rd, 2007 12:45 pm ET

Obama can't win the electoral college. If he gets the nomination say bye bye to Ohio, Pennsylvania, Iowa, and Florida

Yolanda, SC   December 3rd, 2007 12:43 pm ET

I hope the real true democrats will come to realize that in the end they need to win the white house and will vote for the best candidate that can stand up to the republican smear machines. Senator John Reid Edwards and Senator HIillary Rodham Clinton would be better able to win againts republican swiftboating than Senator Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
Can you Imagine what they would do to Brack Hussein Obama swift-boating with lies telling that he is a Muslim or that he has ties to Saddam Hussein beause his name is Hussein (don't forget we are still at war with saddam hussein's Iraq even though the war is unpopular people will cringe at this thought- republicans are so good at this)while there is no doubt that Senator Brack Hussein Obama is a smart, artuculate and a charismatic orator and fully able to lead this country, but unless he changes his name HUSSEIN at the end of the day in the general election he will be burried specially if he runs againts the so called 911 hero Mayor RUDY LOUISE GUILLIANI and Reverend MICHEAL DALE HUCKABEE ticket. All the evangelicals will come out to vote for them
Hope democrats will vote for JOHN REID EDWARDS

Preston, Cleveland, OH   December 3rd, 2007 12:40 pm ET

Its so silly that some people will vote for a 'winner' over someone who they agree with on the issues. I am glad only 1 in 4 said they would.
I don't like Hillary, but maybe people ought to research where the candidates stand on the issues instead of just voting for who they think will win anyway.
If you do research and decide you like where Hillary stands more than the others, than vote for her. But don't vote for her just because she is 'electable', or because she is a woman.

grace   December 3rd, 2007 12:39 pm ET

Check the dates…even though they released it today it is an older poll…(Nov 7-25)wonder why they waited to release it today?

Corey, Bloomington IN   December 3rd, 2007 12:38 pm ET

I'm not sure who dmw has been talking to, but you need 2,182 delegates to win the nomination. So no, she needs more than "1 over your opponent" to win.

Oliva - San Antonio - Texas   December 3rd, 2007 12:31 pm ET

Clinton will take it! She is by far the best candidate. Watching Obama over and over - reading articles about him show me just one thing. He's not presidential material. Actually I am surprised he got to be elected a senator? Go figure.

Don, TX   December 3rd, 2007 12:31 pm ET

Correction: The polls don't highlight the fluid nature of the race. They highlight the fluid nature of polls.

Does the media really think we will be led to believe that there was a 10% shift in two days? Come on now.

The state polls were taken over the MONTH of November, from the 7th to the 25th. I'd hardly call that an accurate reflection of current trends…

Dan, TX   December 3rd, 2007 12:28 pm ET

When was this poll taken? Oh yeah, last month from Nov 7 to 25. This is an old poll!!!! What a joke! Clinton is amazingly good at what she does. How did she manage to get them to not post this information on the front page of this?

Very poor journalism, indeed.

The latest polls show very different results from November 7.

Hoping for a Better America   December 3rd, 2007 12:28 pm ET

We are hoping for a stronger America. Theres only one person that can do it. Clinton. Face the facts. Obama is nothing more than a puppet. He's scripted and lousy at it.

Nita - SA - TX   December 3rd, 2007 12:25 pm ET

A new poll out of Iowa Monday shows Clinton ahead of Obama. Clinton is by far the best candidate. WE support CLINTON.

AD, seattle, washington   December 3rd, 2007 12:24 pm ET

I just wonder why CNN puts the qualifications to the Iowa poll regarding Hillary. CNN did not put these qualifications in its reporting of an earlier Iowa poll.

In the earlier poll, which showed Hillary trailing Obama, the poll report qualified that the poll respondents still considered Hillary beat Obama as possessing the most relevant experience, best leadership qualities, worked the hardest in iowa, and most electable.

Considering that there are so many negative blogs against Hillary in CNN, it wouldn't surprise me that the CNN moderator is an obama/republican supporter who delete many postings from Hillary supporters.

Scott, Royal Oak, MI   December 3rd, 2007 12:23 pm ET

CNN is at it again! The story states that Hillary and Obama are each leading in two respective polls, but the picture shows Hillary with her arms raised in victory.

Matthew, Philadelphia, PA   December 3rd, 2007 12:23 pm ET

No one seems to be mentioning the fact that, while Obama is drawing a lot of support from younger voters, this group is unreliable at best. If 5% of the 18 to 23 year olds who said they were voting for Kerry actually went out and voted, the results would have been a lot different. Factor in the January 3 date of the caucus (lots of college kids on winter break) and I don't see things looking so good for Obama.

VN, Sugar Land   December 3rd, 2007 12:22 pm ET

Bye, bye Obama! Your endorsement by Karl Rove is surely your kiss of death.

Daniel, NY   December 3rd, 2007 12:19 pm ET

There is actually a SECOND Iowa poll out today that shows Clinton with an even bigger lead than in this poll

EE   December 3rd, 2007 12:15 pm ET

Polls upon polls.Maybe this one will make Clinton to stop from being Silly and stressed against Obama with baseless accusations

John, NY, NY   December 3rd, 2007 12:13 pm ET

Meanwhile, Obama's biggest support — particularly in Iowa — comes from younger and better-educated voters, liberals and Democratic-leaning independents.

If you cant make a decisions atleast go with the learned.

Dennis Peterson, Seymour, IA   December 3rd, 2007 12:12 pm ET

Polls do not mean anything at this point. Although I am a supporter of Sen. Clinton, polls at this stage are meaningless seeing how most people are undecided or have said they could still change their minds.

dmw, roeland park, ks   December 3rd, 2007 12:07 pm ET

I can not wait for the Obama supporters to start to complain that CNN is the Clinton News Network like they always do. BORING, yawn. They will find some reason why the AP poll is incorrect and state other polls as proof.

Hillary will be the nominee. It only takes 1 over your opponent to win, and does not need to be a landslide.

Hillary has been beaten up by Obama, Edwards, Rove, Hannidity, the news media, etc. and she is still leading because we know that she has supported all of America her entire time in public service. She has REAL, WORKABLE ideas instead of just saying, as Obama does, that he'll give you whatever you want.

Those of us who follow politics knows that people go back on their promises all the time. Hillary is logical and realistic, and listening to her, one can tell that she has put THOUGHT into her ideas about what it will take to solve America's many problems.

She is the best candidate.

anon, new york, ny   December 3rd, 2007 12:02 pm ET

Hillary has increased her leads in Iowa and New Hampshire! Hurah!

I told you so. She will endure, survive and win!

Hillary 08!

AJ, IL   December 3rd, 2007 12:00 pm ET

These polls are meaningless in terms of absolute numbers. Everytime poll results are released no information is given on the total number of people polled, which could be 100 to 1000. The polls don't reveal how many repeat pollsters are approached again and again. The demographics of the polls are not revealed. Also, the tendency of people polled to change their opinion on the candidates is not revealed.

suzzy,derry,NH   December 3rd, 2007 12:00 pm ET

Here in Newhempshire, many voters want Obama. One ot the things that they want to restore in American politics is honesty. People feel disconected from their goverment and that is what they look forward to do. They are not getting answeres from Hillary Clinton and all what she want to want is negative campaign and baseless attack which Obama is deflecting by telling like it is. She is seemingly getting desperate and she can do better than that by getting serious and focused with her campaign.

y   December 3rd, 2007 11:59 am ET

You failed to mention the time line of this poll: Nov.7-25th nearly a 3 week poll time.

MOE: 5.5%

Tom Words   December 3rd, 2007 11:59 am ET

Interesting choice of image for this post. Every other picture on this page shows the candidate in a normal face, not really happy or really sad. But when something about Hillary that is positive comes up that post a picture with her face beaming and her arms up in the air. This site is doing all that can to help get Clinton elected its ridiculous

Chip Celina OH   December 3rd, 2007 11:57 am ET

I remember a while back when she was two points ahead of Obama in Iowa, she was 'crushing' (or some other adjective) him. Now, he's 5 points up and you say "In Iowa, Clinton is essentially tied with Obama, 31 percent to 26 percent,"

I've said it before, you can't spell Clinton without CNN.

Have a great day!

William, Alexandria, VA   December 3rd, 2007 11:54 am ET

This is great!!!

"Meanwhile, Obama's biggest support — particularly in Iowa — comes from younger and better-educated voters, liberals and Democratic-leaning independents."

So true. I'm telling you–the blind support that people are giving Clinton reminds me of the Bush 2004 run. It's amazing that the American people cry "We want freedom", but continue to support the opposite. How do you continue to elect the same people (Bushs and Clintons) to run your country and then act surprised when things (gridlock) don't change?

William

Cicilia,nashua,NH   December 3rd, 2007 11:53 am ET

Landmines? Not asbestos this time around. MMMMMh Clinton News Network is back. She must be threatened by her rivals.

Hannah,Des moines,Iowa   December 3rd, 2007 11:52 am ET

I knew the media will play with people's minds till january 3rd. If you see this just know Obama is ahead. No doubt about that.

Sophia, Los Angeles   December 3rd, 2007 11:49 am ET

In South Carolina, Clinton appears to dominate the field with 45 percent of the vote. Obama is preferred by 31 percent and Edwards10 percent.

That is a 14 point lead, hardly domination.

I think you guys got New Hampshire and South Caroline wrong in your adjectives. New Hampshire is clearly the larger lead.

P.S. Polls DONT speak the truth. They only influence the lazy and uneducated.

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