Please tell me why is a Republican helping a Democratic Candidate? Is it because they have him as "THEIR BOY?" or is it because they think they cannot win over Hillary Clinton and they know that in a National Election they can beat a Black Man? As a person of the Main Street America Society(which means average American Nobody)I can tell you that on a National scale, a Republican can beat Hussien Obama.

By the way, what change is Barack Hussien Obama talking about? He has never said anything except, "It is time for a change" Well we are not fools. We know that it is time for a change because President Bush is in a term limit job. He cannot stay in office unless he decides to activate that clause in the Constitution that gives him war time privileges. So definitely it will change nomatter what. I am so dissappointed that the people in power has so little respect for our sense.

I do not believe that there are people who are undecided. I believe the "Under 30″ group that you are so fond of talking about are jumping on a Band wagon and one not good for My Country. We need experience, knowledge, foresight and people who know how to work for the betterment of America, and that is not Barac Hussien Osama. OUR MILITARY BOYS DOES NOT NEED THIS PERSON TO EVEN BE ASSUMED IN CHARGE. BUT IF CARL ROVE IS WORKING FOR HIM WE KNOW WHO IS IN CHARGE HERE!!!!!!!!!!
I WILL BE VOTING EVEN IF I HAVE TO WALK ONE HUNDRED MILES AND I WILL BE VOTING FOR JOHN MCCAIN!!!!!!

I was looking and looking and I found it:

Everyone loves Obama. Karl Rove wants the best for the country and he sees that the best in the country is Obama. This doesn't mean that he thinks Obama is more likely to lose in the election. He thinnks Obama stands for change which is why he is trying to help Obama. I think it's good advice. I would love to see people call out Hilary on her lying more.

Posted By Karsen, Iowa City iA : December 3, 2007 8:04 pm

Bingo. Look people, there's no sinister plot here. Rove actually likes Obama, and he's trying to help him. Try not to look to far into things.

I think Karl Rove hates the Clintons so much he really wants Obama to beat her! Because surely he isn't stupid enough to think that the Republicans can beat Obama.

I can't believe how short-sighted Democrats are. This is why Democrats lose to Republicans, because of strategists like Karl Rove.

I'm a Republican who obviously would never support Obama, but this is a clear and obvious attack by Rove on Barack Obama. Rove is associating himself with Obama to try and taint him. Karl Rove knows he is poison to left-politics. He is trying to drive more people to Clinton because he knows she is easily defeatable with all of her baggage and divisiveness. Rove's memo now handicaps any attack Obama dishes out because Clinton can now say 'He's going by the Karl Rove playbook.' Then watch the hackles rise on the backs of caucus goers. You have to admit this is a brilliant move on Rove's part. It's so manipulative. But you gotta take down Obama some how since all we have against him is the "inexperience" charge and his funny name and that can only go so far.

Why in the world would Obama seek or accept advice from Rove, the Rogue. Obama's platform is change from the old school, good ole boy politicians and pundits. Now he's pandering to a known liar and suspected treasonous criminal. What a hippocrit.

This little weasel should have been behind bars a very long time ago.. If HE is backing Obama—- I will be keeping my distance!! This man is a criminal- have a criminal giving you advise … is dangerous….

Rove is just reacjing out to Obama because he probably likes the young fresh face and it reminds him a lot of the young George W. Bush, someone who may have been inexperienced but was intelligent and had a great sense of vision. I don't know if Obama has the same level of substance as President Bush did but he's certainly willing to learn and Rove likes hard-working visionary people like that.

What a joke! Rove must have gotten a degree in Psychology. He really wants HRC to be the Democratic nominee—the Republicans would literally shread her. So if America takes notice of Rove giving Obama advice, they would reject the vote.

May be Rove matches with Obama, they will play the same games.

wait a minute,,, did the financial times pay Rove for the article they ran or did Rove buy the pages to post an " open memo " to Obama. come on ,,, do you really think what rove says is going to affect the outcome of the primaries. Get a grip.. rove/bush days are over,,, nothing he says now can change the minds of people who dispise him for whatever they think he did. the same goes for those of us who think another 4 to 8 years of clinton/Bush type politics will not be good for the country. some of us think having a president that half the country loves or despises is not the way to get things done. I did not come to this reality from ANYTHING Karl Rove ever said.

Karl Rove know that if he can get his name linked to Obama, Then Clinton can win the primaries.

Karl Rove Want Clinton to run in the General Election, Any Republican nominee has a 50% chance of better of wining against Clinton.

any other Democrat nominee besides Clinton have a shoe in victory regardless of what NEO CON they nominate.

GET SMART PEOPLE WHY IS KARL ROVE TRING TO DESTROY OBAMA??????????????? KARL ROVE KNOWS IF HE LINKS HIS NAME TO OBAMA. OBAMA WILL BE DESTROYED.

IF you fall for this and pick Clinton over Obama you are nothing but a STUPID SHEEP and falling for KARL ROVE trick again for the third time. HE FOOLED YOU TWICE ALREADY AND GOT YOU A BUSH FOR 8 YEARS.

Karl Rove know that mild conservatives and independents will vote republican before they vote for Clinton. Mild conservatives and independents want to vote for Democrats this election. There is only one person who can stop that. CLINTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF Karol Rove was scared of Clinton He would be trying to offer Clinton advice on how to beat OBAMA

GO OBAMA and BIDDEN

This Thanksgiving it was May and Flower, I have a pretty good idea who it'll be next year.

American's are sick of the bush/clinton bush/clinton crap. Rove sees Obama moving up in the polls and it scares the s**t out of him. The repugs are not scared of Hillary..they have alot to bring her down with, and that is besides the point that people really dont like her all that much. But Obama…now there is a formidable candidate. He is ethical and always on the up and up. They cant dig up any dirt on him. He has fought and fought for the people not corporations. That has the repugs shaking in their boots. Of course Rove is going to publicize his "advice" for Obama. Because if Obama does any of those things even if he already planned to "do it with humor and a smile" Now everyone would attribue it to Rove's advice. That Rove is a sociopath…but he is smart.

As an educated student in government politics, I cannnot believe how worked up people are getting over something Karl Rove said. Barak Obama is not as timid and umprepared for being president as people think. The problem is that we as American citizens have become use to being lied to and manipulated by our leaders. Maybe its about time we bring our selves out of this attitude and start fresh. Obama is just as prepared or better off being president as Hilary Clinton. I think its about time we get out of electing people into office who have been corruped by politics. Thats why we should take a better look at whats better for the country and not just our wants.

There was a reason why Bush Sr. kicked Rove off his campaign. Too much sleeze and underhandiness.

Notice how it is all just a game to Rove… tweek somebody here… tweek somebody there… see what happens.

Too bad he doesn't have the conscience to realize just how much damage he has done… this isn't a game… people are dying.

The comparison with Adlai Stevenson was already made in Slate Magazine. And, unfortunately, may be true.

The Biggest Republican Rallying Cry is "Hillary for president!" Nothing will mobalize the republicans, which right now are disenchanted, to the polls like Hillary can. Hillary is a REPUBLICAN SUPPORTER …not by her desire, just by her existance.

Mr. Rove,

If you were to give advice to another Democratic candidate opposing Senator Obama, would you urge them to use push-polls exploiting the possible rascist sentiments held by the voting public?

You certainly didn't have a problem doing that to John McCain in South Carolina during the primary season in 2000. Call were received by voters in which they were told that Senator McCain had an "illegitimate black daughter", and the potential voters were then asked if that made them more likely or less likely to vote for Senator McCain. Seeing as Senator McCain's daughter is neither black or illegitimate, I wonder, what despicable things would you recommend in campaigning against candidate who actually is black?

Mr Rove seems to have read the Art or War. Weaken your opponent by encouraging them to fight internally and weaken themselves. Thank God for someone like Obama who has illustrated wise "judgement" who wont think twice listening to Rove and his narrow minded comments.Why is Rove in the headlines anyways???Please!

Well If you ask me Obama can her any day he's going to be a better president and she will can't be there's just no way,if she does the house will once again be filled with lie's and nothing else. There will be to much drama in the house for her too even try to act like her husband isn't running the country. There will be to much for her to care about this country! WE NEED SOMEONE WHO WILL GO THERE AND CHANGE THE HOUSE NOT THE HOUSE CHANGE THEM OBAMA IS THE RIGHT PERSON!

Hello Albert Brake here from St. Albert Alberta, Canada.

Hilary will win, She has played this game for years, and knows how it is won or lost.

However, If Rove wanted to beat anyone really bad he would have been looking for his guy or girl years ago. He helped Bush, he can help monkey win.

Obama doesn't need Clinton's advice and frankly the advice sounds a wrong to me. If Obama followed this advice, he'd lose because he'd give up what's taken him this far. I think Rove wants Clinton to win the nomination and he's hoping this will take Obama down. Rove is a snake and a liar and he shouldn't be trusted.

Is it me or does Karl Rove giving "advice" to Obama is like George W. giving a lecture on "smartness" at a Mensa convention.

Everyone loves Obama. Karl Rove wants the best for the country and he sees that the best in the country is Obama. This doesn't mean that he thinks Obama is more likely to lose in the election. He thinnks Obama stands for change which is why he is trying to help Obama. I think it's good advice. I would love to see people call out Hilary on her lying more.

it seems pretty obvious that a memo like this would be and OPEN memo for a reason. The worst of intentions should be assumed.

Obama/Hillary 08

It's official: Karl Rove and his ilk want to face Senator Clinton in next November's general election. There is no other reason for him to have sent Senator Obama that ridiculously obvious open-letter filled with "campaign advice." These "genius" commentators on CNN, et al, are once again having trouble connecting the dots, it seems, so I'll do it for them: Mr. Rove wants to link his name, however tangentially, with Senator Obama, and therefore drive some voters to Senator Clinton (which could be crucial in such a close election cycle) so that she wins the nomination.

Senator Clinton is a known quantity–certainly she's a heavy-hitter, but the Republicans know how to fight her, and they've got a lot of political ammunition (so to speak) on her: her time in both Arkansas and the White House will be mined for fodder, as will her somewhat inconsistent voting record in the U.S. Senate. Senator Obama is still a bit of a mystery (to everyone, really), still a bit of an unknown quantity (especially when it comes to the closing stages of a campaign), and the Republicans would like to avoid playing more of a guessing game if they faced him. Hence, advice designed "for Senator Obama" from one of the people Democrats hate the most is published in the national press. It's classic reverse-psychology–so obvious that a lot of people are missing it.

Of course, not all would be roses for the Democrats if Senator Obama were to win the nomination, because he has a few gaping holes in his resume', too: his lack of experience in both national and international politics. However, if someone with a lot of experience and solid, popular policy proposals–someone like Governor Richardson, for instance–were to win the nomination, it would most likely send the neo-con strategists into panic mode….

if i read the F.times memo correctly karl rove said now you ask for my adive here it is…so whos lying Obama or rove.tell ya the truth they should both go hide.

Hillary is coming out with the Clinton Machine i wouldn't want to be in this smackdown for sure.Bill im sure is advising her.He is the smart one the best worldwide Political Machine in that mind of his.
I want Hillary to win,i trust her more than Obama's inexpierence.he doesnt even make sense,go look at hillarys fact hub..i bet she had a rough time or her advisers,putting that on there,all those words he said is like a teenager.

Rove has a driven personality and loves the chase. He isn't trying to get Obama elected so that the Republicans can beat him. By the way, Obama is showing in polls to be the one Democratic candidate that many Republicans are transferring allegiance to. Rove loves figuring out the pyschology behind winning and he has always been a master at the game. Afterall, how else could Bush have been elected TWICE, it defies all sense of reality. I don't care for negative, manipulative campaigns, but if you hear what Rove says and follow just some of the points made, it could make a difference. Obama has much to offer our country and Clinton would only bring it down.

Rove's comment leaves a lot to be desired. Taking his precious moments, if he had any, to post something on the Financial Times for Obama, can mean one of the two things: one, either Rove politically hates Hillary, so much so that he'd rather see Obama win the Democratic nomination or he has seen some convincing indications that Obama will be the Democratic nominee. The second possibility holds more water than the first one. In no doubt, Rove would like to associate himself with a proposition that is likely outcome. He has been referred to as a political genius. It is for that reason and some more, that Rove wants his 2-cent advice added something to the Obama win. Even more, may Rove is looking for a possible White House position in the Obama administration.

I hope people will be able to see Rove's agenda. He is trying to make it difficult for Obama to do his thing.
If he really wanted to advise him then he would do it directly. Why do it through the media?
I hope people are smart enough to read in between the lines.

This is no surprise…Rove is barely staying out of jail, and after hitching his wagon to the worst president in history, will never work again. But, like many a madman, he craves attention. This is a good way to get it. I think he's absolutely correct though, and I'm a big Obama supporter. I'm also a big believer that Hillary is unelectable on a national scale. She has made far too many enemies to win at this point, even against a black man in a country still with its share of racists. Luckily, most racists don't vote!

If you have any intellectual capacity whatsoever and could actually comprehend the above article, you would realize that all the advise Rove has solicited to Sen. Obama is completely useful and holds a stinging truth to it. Putting Democratic and Republican ideologies aside, Rove "hits the nail on the head". If i were Obama i would suggest taking this advise. Finally, one last note. The only reason Americans are voting for Hilary Clinton is because they are so reminiscent of the mid - late 90's era of Bill Clinton that they hope to revive our declining nation by emulating that administration. One thing you all should remember is that the majority of Americans are stupid. I'm only 17, yet it is so blatantly clear to me that Hilary Clinton will not save our country from its perils.

Why am I not surprised? Rove is a ranting wannabe with a murky history of his own. His constant attacks on Hillary Clinton are getting old and less believable as time goes on.

I guess he just wants his 90 seconds in the spotlight… over..and over…and over again!

I would say that lieing about reasons for starting a war, outing a covert CIA operative on WMD, rather than vetoing a law, doing statements afterwards saying it is law but I am not going to follow it, just to name a FEW, and of course not to mention Scooter Libby while he lets border guards sit in jail while he prosecutes after Mexico says that they better………
Clinton doesn't even come close to what we are witnessing in the WH now for calculating and dishonest.

Posted By Patty, somewhere : December 3, 2007 3:42 pm

Patty, get over it. Bush is going to be gone on 1/20/09. So will Cheney & the rest of their cronies. They will be gone & we need to get past this whole we hate Bush stuff. I don't think too many people like him.

It is time to vote for someone not because you hate the current president but because you believe in what the candidate stands for and will do. One candidate (HRC) spends her campaign doing nothing but hating on Bush and trying to see what the polls say.

Obama seems to be truly trying to do this. HRC is nothing more than another Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton no change, too much bipartisanship politician.

Thank you Mr BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA for abandoning the politics of hope and showing THE LOWEST LEVEL morality and value in your campaign.

All Democrats need to put their hand on their heart and ask themselves if they want a democratic presidential candidate to win who gets advice from the political snake Carl Rove or uses Carl Rove's advice from back door to put other democratic candidate down.
I will never ever vote for Obama for any post.

Iowa, make sure we make our self proud by voting this intellignet and smart woman -Hillary Clinton for president of 2008!.

I need you all to calm down and trust Obama. He is way too smart for this Rove fool.

There's no way Obama will take advice from a republican to face republicans, let alone from Karl Rove…so just relax, Obama will get stronger and stronger each day…

CNN is a joke! One and a half hour ago I looked at this comment and it was full of people that hated CNN for always glorifying Hilary Clinton(look at pictures of her compared to the others). Now the comments are all gone! I wonder why?

wake up people. This country's political landscape is still 20 years from electing a woman or black man as president. Sure, Obama or Hillary will win NY, CA, NJ, NH, VT, etc…But if you want to beat the republicans you better make sure you have a shot of winning those red states in between Nominate John Edwards. He'll beat any republican candidate in a landslide.

rove is still getting under the skin of the people against President Bush. and I love it !

The right wing republicans will never vote for Hillary or Obama or any democrats. Even if Bush brings them to banruptsy or any economic hardships, these bunch of loosers will vote a republican. So, democrats should vote their conscious and make sure that they bring a dem to the WH. Any democrat is better than a republican.

With victory in IRAQ looking more and more like it will happen,,,I dont believe it will matter what candidate the Dems put up. They wanted defeat so bad in IRAQ and now it is blowing up in their face. GW should be praised for his steady leadership and the democrats should be called out for being Cowards and hoping for Defeat for political reasons.

I believe Carl Rove went to work for Senator Obama the day he left the White House (or before).

Senator Obama's negative campaign smacks of everything that is Carl Rove. But I don't think he's working exclusively for Senator Obama; he must also be working for former Senator Edwards.

Wake up people, the Republicans do not want to face Senator Clinton in the campaign, because they know she can win.

There are no strong candidates on the Republican side. They believe they can beat Senator Obama or former Senator Edwards.

Republicans would like nothing more than a wounded Democratic candidate coming into the general election.

It is their only chance.

I guess Roves thinks it easier to beat Obama than Hillary in the general election. For once, I agree with him.

Rove who? The Republican party killer! Now, the Obama campaign killer….Keep up on keeping up.

Can we stop this bickering between Democrats? It's pathetic at this point.

Let's vote for a candidate that doesn't have 3 years experience, or one that doesn't make Republicans blood boil and will get nothing done because the GOP will refuse to work with her. Let's not vote for opportunists, or a candidate that is only in the spotlight because they give good speeches (but have no real plans).

Let's vote Joe Biden 2008.

After Rove's comments to Charley Waters the other day about the Dems being responsible for the Iraq war and that Bush wanted more time for Hans Blixt to do his work, how can anyone believe anything that Rove says. Karl is a skunk!

Karl Rove absolutely wants Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic candidate because nothing unites Republicans and convinces them to get out to the polls to vote like their hatred of Hillary. Rove just wants for her to be so weakened and savaged by attacks from within her own party that she will be easier for the Republican nominee (whoever that may be) to beat.

Plus, of course, Rove desperately wants for his opinion to matter — which it no longer does.

Yes, let's listen to Karl Rove since he did such a fantastic job steering the Bush administration's policy (that was sarcasm for all you republican morons out there).

I believe the republican right, which Mr. Rove represents, wants Obama to be the candidate the republicans run against in 2008. They think, in my opinion, that the american electorate is in general too dumb or too "red necked" to choose a half black candidate, no matter how qualified or brilliant that person may be.

Rove is trying to drive a wedge between two Democratic campaigns. People stating they will vote for a third party if their candidate doesn't win the Dem nomination, are falling for Rove's dirty tricks.

If you want a Democrat in the WH we ultimately need to remain united.

I'm a Democrat. I would never, never vote for anyone (Obama) who would take advice from the odious Karl Rove. It is people like Rove we Democrats want to get rid of. Disclaim his advice Obama or suffer the consequences of losing my vote — and other's, I'm sure.
Posted By Joan Nicholson, Austin, TX : December 3, 2007 3:32 pmThis is exactly the sort of response Rove was looking for.

Obama didn't want Rove's advice, didn't seek Rove's advice, and is doing just fine without Rove's advice. But just because Rove printed his "advice" somewhere without Obama's knowledge or consent, Barack now has to prove his Democratic bona fides by denouncing Rove, "or else."

This is patently ridiculous - if the GOP find this tactic works, Novak and Will and Krauthammer and every other rightwing pundit will be offering their "advice" to the Dems, and Obama (and all the other Dem candidates) will spend more time denouncing Republican "concern trolls" than they will spend on anything else.

Obama should ignore Rove, and so should we.

Take a look at the youth… I know a lot of people who are voting for the first time, and voting Obama. If Obama does not win, they're going to write in someone else. I cannot ethically vote democratic if Clinton is running.

Rove's suggestions are silly. He's been making all kinds of crazy comments lately… see, "Bush didn't want to go to war so soon!" I'd ignore this.

If Rove really wanted Obama to beat Hillary in the primaries, he would have done it very privately.

But in reality, the repubs want to run against Hillary because she will be easy to beat. So Rove is trying to make it look as if he and Obama are in the same corner and that will turn off dem voters for Obama. Hence, the big media splash by Rove - the man is not stupid - he just thinks the public is.

Obama has republicans switching sides and coming out to vote for him - do you really believe that Rove wants that to happen. He knows that won't be the case if Clinton is the dem nominee.

Rove ultimately wants a Republican in the White House. Why would he give any advise to a Democrat? To aid the Republicans. One of the most backhanded, sneaky, unscrupulous advisor's that has been is not going to suddenly help out those who oppose his good ol' boys network tax shelters and other money making mechanisms (Iraq war). I suspect he wants to use Obama as a tool to throw some more dirt at Hilary. Usually he is not so obvious. Maybe he's losing his touch. Why is CNN treating this as news? Seems like a Fox network thing to do.

The day Rove left the Whitehouse anyone who has been following this admisnitration knew it was not for a change or spekaing engagements as he said but clearly from his record to bring down Hillary Clinton. Bush graciosuly helped him out the door he no longer needs his underhanded retoric since he cannot run again. This is no surprise. It's shame. I was so sure a Republican could no way get back in 2008 and the more I see I see the Democrats imploding and Repulicans shifting and it flat out scares me. Thanks God it is still early but then again that is scary too! Rove is right where he planned to be and I think he most likely on schedule the American voters in general are fickle.

Or he could just do it ala Bush and get the CEO of Diebold in his pocket and win the election the same way Bush did in 2000 and 2004.

This basically conservative country is not mature enough to elect a minority or a woman as president yet. The fact that the media has made such a big issue of this should tell you something. Moreover, John Edwards has earned this nomination. He ran for VP last time (name recognition), he doesn't turn off Republicans and independents, his views on social issues display his concern for the future–and he is charismatic. If the Dems want to win in 2008, they need someone who can reach out to most Americans–the middle class and the poor. John Edwards is that person.
-A concerned Iowan

i had a whole thing written..and once again, it got rejected…oh well.
so, to sum up…Rove needs to do everything he can to defeat clinton because if she is elected to the WH, she will be in near total control to dig up all of the nasty little pieces of dirt on the things he denied being involved with (attorney firings, Plame,etc)..and that would put him in a real bad spot…

THAT is the reason he'd help my grandmother to get elected if it meant being saved from that mess…

hmmmmm, no-brainer, you think?

It appears obvious that Rove is not in retirement and still working for the right wingers via smear tactics and whisper campaigns. Can someone please put a gag order on him. Whenever he opens his mouth, America suffers.

In response to:
EXACTLY the same way many of us feel about the Clintons. No couple in the WH have been more calculating and dishonest than have been the Clintons.
Posted By Lou, Williamsburg, VA : December 3, 2007 2:14 pm

I would say that lieing about reasons for starting a war, outing a covert CIA operative on WMD, rather than vetoing a law, doing statements afterwards saying it is law but I am not going to follow it, just to name a FEW, and of course not to mention Scooter Libby while he lets border guards sit in jail while he prosecutes after Mexico says that they better………
Clinton doesn't even come close to what we are witnessing in the WH now for calculating and dishonest.

Why do so many people surprised that Rove gave advise to Obama? Obama already played by GOP playbook, as far as attacking Clinton is concerned.

To all those putting down Obama, you are truly underestimating him. He has a lot more support than any of the republican candidates. I am no fan of Karl Rove, but I think that he, like most of America just doesn't want to see Hillary in the White House. I believe he'd rather see his republican colleauges (almost inevitably) lose to Obama than Hillary as the Democratic nominee. I see a bright future with Barack Obama as our president.

OBAMA '08!!!!!

HILLARY IS GETTING DESPERATE AND COWARD. LETS WAIT AND SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW OBAMA WILL WIN ON A LANDSLIDE. KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN HILLPRAISERS!

What a shame ! Obama: you listen to Carl Rove, who is in the down-hill, a Republican. If you listen to him more, you will get into down-hill too.

I think that Rove knowns that an Obama on the ticket means a sure win for the Republicans come November of 2008.

This is one Republican that definitely hopes Obama can win because I want to vote for him in the general election. I have voted for Republican presidential candidates my entire life, but find myself drawn to Obama. He is an inspiration & I think would definitely draw many other Republicans, something Hillary Clinton can never do.

It is so obviouse that Rove and the republicans want obama to run and be the dems nominiee because he has a secret weapon that they can use during general election so they can have a cake walk to an easy win. that weapon is a name and it is called HUSSEIN as in Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

I'm a Democrat. I would never, never vote for anyone (Obama) who would take advice from the odious Karl Rove. It is people like Rove we Democrats want to get rid of. Disclaim his advice Obama or suffer the consequences of losing my vote — and other's, I'm sure.

I want to hear what the Obama camp has to say about all this and if they are considering any of Rove's advice.

Republican Barack Obama. The secret is out. We have a Republican running as a Democrat. America there is more or LESS to Barack Obama then you think. Talking with Karl Rove and Bloomburg. Leaves alot to question about his loyalty.

Posted By Jimmy Sanborn : December 3, 2007 2:26 pm

that is not all remember only just a few weeks ago Barack Hussein Obama was taking advise from Robert Novak. he actually took Novak's word Over Clintons word and attacked Senator Clinton for something she never did.
Shame on Barack HUSSEIN Obama. He has no party loyalty. wonder next he will be working w/ dick morris and kenneth starr

There is NO ONE that could help the Republicans win the next presidential election more than Hillary Clinton. In a year when Republican voters are uncertain about who to support for their nomination, her presence on the other side of the ticket will guarantee a huge turn-out just to defeat her. Obama would be much harder to beat than Clinton because he is immensely more likeable and trustworthty than Hillary.

First of all–who wouldn't want advice from an expert, a two-time winner? Second of all–it was all really good advice. Someone has to get Hillary on her "victim" act, or we're going to have a victim for President.

I only hope Rove goes back to offering his recommendations to Republicans.

He did this to Kerry in 2004. Attacked him because he knew the Dems would rally aroud Kerry and nominate him! If we Dems fall for it again, we will only have ourselves to blame! He did it in 04 because he did NOT want to face John Edwards! he is doing it know because the GOP does NOT want to face Barack Obama

Barck Obamas seems polite, conciencious and honest. Definately not we used to when it comes to the general population in the US let alone politicians. I applaude the fact that he is showing that it is possible to maintain the dignity that our government and our country so desperately need. I do not understand how the american public is listening to Hillary Clinton. She has already demonstrated that she is driven solely by her enormous ego and more need ofpersonal power. If we are stupid enough to elect her as president all we are going to revisit is her complete disregard for the will of the people and the continuation of her sell-out to big corporations. Is anybody paying attention? We cannot afford to play politics like she does so well. We must be serious about the future of America.
Obama is the only candidate that can truly change the status quo.
Make no mistake.

IF OBAMA WINS THE PRIMARY THE WHITE HOUSE GOES TO THE REPUBLICANS…OBAMA IS AN EASY DEFEAT!! GO FIGURE

republicans aren't the only ones saying Hilary is the least electable of the dems. She is so polarizing that whoever the republican nominee is, will make the election about her instead of the issues and the war.

Actually the complaint that republicans hate her is ignorant and completely illogical. The far far right wing does hate her passionately, yes that's true. But as shown by her senate elections and general public standing that always ends up backfiring on the Republicans. In New York when she first ran, hate groups like Stop Hillary Now tried to attack her, ironically some of them were sued for falsified information. Independants and moderate republicans ended up siding with her Those who have worked with her like Senator Graham (R-SC) and even Mccain respect her very much. Mccain said in 2005 that she would make a great president. She is very well respected by people who truly know her and work with her. The arguments again her are usually character based, mudslinging, and inaccurate and most logical American's are starting to see though them. Obama will be smashed in a general election and he would be a divisive president. He votes over 95 % of the time with the Democratic party. He is a stereotypical ,idealistic, "textbook" sort of liberal. The main reason hes been this successful is his superficial attributes like his charisma. We need someone who chooses more pragmatic progressive solutions that are best for the country not just the democratic part. Clinton is the best choice for all Americans.

Rove, the last thing ANYBODY needs is your advice on ANYTHING. You are a vile liar and have done this country a horrible disservice by lying the worst President of all time, George W. Bush, into office. We all know you are addicted to control and politics, not public service. You no longer fool the public; we all know your perverse game. Kindly keep your warped comments and interfering advice to YOURSELF!

Seems to me he's doing just fine without your help Karl….

Rove, just take your break from politics and keep off American people because they know better than you do. Obama is liked by us all and you should not use your stupid tactics so that people can think otherwise. Ask Hillary if she need your support!

The LAST person anyone needs to hear from is Karl Rove. His legacy will be as the man who slashed and burned US politics to support one man, and let the country go to waste. The one man he did support, has the lowest ratings of any US president in history, and is headed for impeachment. Way to Karl! You're not that good mate.

Karl Rove's three chief claims to fame are 1) that he poisoned the political process and the American political mind in ways heretofore unimaginable, 2) that he committed a treasonous act by publicly identifying the CIA operative in charge of a program whose aim was to keep nuclear weapons and materials out of the hands of our enemies, and 3) that he twice got the worst President in American history elected to power. I think that credits him with a portion of the blame for every bit of damage this administration has done. And now, in some sort of cheap marketing tactic, he inserts himself into the public consciousness again. When's the book coming out? Hate is a word I have used maybe 5 times in my 52 years, but I hate this man. I truly do.

yep indeedy ….pull those dirty tricks. Which Obama seems to be starting to do.

After all if the republicans could only stack the ballot boxes and get Obama as the candidate they would be able to take the presidency again.

Republicans don't say anthing bad about Obama. Every conservative talking head lauds Obama. Their dream is that Obama will be the democratic candidate. In fact most of the obama "supporters" on this blog are republicans trying to bring clinton down. Its clever–with Obama as the candidate –the repblicans can't lose.

anyone who is dumb enough to believe that Rove is doing anything except manipulating the media to get Hillary as the nominee is RETARDED!

Heck, even Bush is in that game.

Face it folks, they want to see Hillary as the nominee because they are already working on 8 years of material from Bill to slam her with. She's the perfect dem candidate to rev up the republican base.

If you think Rove is actually giving Obama advice here rather than muddying things up to help favor Clinton you deserve what you get on election day.

Karl Rove is considered a genius by some. I don't share that opinion. Any sleaze can win by sinking to the lowest level possible. Obama would lose my support if he were to take the advice of a lying character assassin like Karl Rove.

Rove needs to get a life! Dude, go back to Texas and stay there. We're all set with you and your fat, blobbering mouth spitting out hate techniques.

You're a loser and will always be one. You think you're a great political advisor but when you think about it you're really not more than a punk whose a want-a-be.

Rove is Wormtongue.

No one should heed his words.

They are poison.

http://scorpionbowl.blogspot.com/2007/08/karl-wormtongue-begone.html

They must be afraid of her!

Vote Clinton 08. Or hand over the whitehouse to the republicans for another 4 years.

The concern is more about your football team (Democrats) winning the game than getting a good President. I can think of good leaders on both sides, why can't you?

Is this kind not the kind of politics that destroyed the caeer of Ms. Plame, remember McClelan; the senator from GA. Remember the allegations about John Kerry and his Vietnam service to our Country. Anybody who can follow this man's advice is sick, there is no humour in lying and destroying other people just because they are not stupid enough to follow your sick mind for political gain. Rove needs to shut up and hide his shame for a whle.

It is obvious, that he is really trying to provide cover for the republican who runs, if he uses these tactics, by saying 'look even the democrats were saying it'.
It is also obvious they think it will be Hillary.
For the life of me, I can't figure out why everyone (especially reporters) assume that it will be either of these folks. Edwards is still the best candidate. I can't imagine why folks don't give him the press he deserves.

There go the Dems……crying again. I must give it to them, that's their best strategy……crying.

Karl Rove must do this because of the meeting Barack had with mayor Bloomberg. He must come out and spoil everything because he is a poisonous illitrate republican who want to cause another chaos. He just miss the white house where he drove Americans crazy. Go away Rove. American people deserve better than this. We love Obama no matter what you say!

Look lets just not vote at all….all of this is meaningless…US citizens need to ban together and fix our social, educational, and economic issues. People are losing homes, jobs, and our educatution system is failing. I say we boycott the polls and the large corporations that are dirving the elcetions anyway. It doesn't matter who becomes President if we don't stanf up for ourselves.

This is part of the Republican "Attack Clinton to help her win" machine. The Republicans this time around are more concerned with making sure Hilary wins the Democratic nomination than who their own candidate turns out to be.

Any Republican vs. Clinton stands a good chance. A lot of Dems and indy Dems do NOT want more of "the same" (i.e. Bush Clinton 1980-2008), but more importantly, there are VERY few indy-Repubs who would ever vote for Clinton. A Clinton nomination is a slam-dunk presidential win for the Republicans.

a vote for obama is a vote for the republician rowe know this

I want to echo Joe Wilkins from Michigan. I am a democrat that cant vote for Hillary. I am not sure who Joe thinks of when he says a "moderate Republican". He must be referring to Ron Paul. All the others think that the raping of Iraq was a swell thing to do and it has all gone just fine there. Everybody talking about "victory" but nobody defining what exactly that means in practical terms — and for the most part Republicans seem to be fine with this. The whole lot of the Republican slate other than Ron Paul are conservatives of the all violence is good violence stripe, because somewhere along the way violence became a "family value" and if you are not a fan of violence against weaker people then you must be a coward. And the best as democrats we can do is Hillary or even Obama!! Screw Rove — he and Dick put us here and there is no easy way out, the fog is too thick. With or without the benefit of his wisdom this whole 2008 campaign is a tragedy. Again, Ron Paul is the only one that gets close to an answer — Kuchini was acceptable until he began conversing with UFOs, of all things.

This is just Karl Rove's desperate attempt to remain relevant; fortunately he lost any relevance on current events a long time before he left the White House. Good riddance!

Republican Barack Obama. The secret is out. We have a Republican running as a Democrat. America there is more or LESS to Barack Obama then you think. Talking with Karl Rove and Bloomburg. Leaves alot to question about his loyalty.

Rove is simply playing a game. He knows that causing division among the democratic candidates will further divide democrats. Quit playing into his evil hand and ignore the dummy. After all, all he's got left is his political strategy penchant. He has no college degree or skills to fall back on.

He's more poisonous than a poison snake. He has an agenda and loving every minute of this cnn blogger moment. Have every confidence that Obama knows this. So I am not worried.

Rove and Bush are getting stressed the attention Obama is receiving from Republicans and Independents. I am a republican for Obama. This cinism need to stop. We have already seen what Karl Rove and Bus administration can do to America and the world..

If Obama starts listening to that, that, that…Rove character, he will never hope to gain my vote.

Rove is the worst of politics.

Posted By Jim Sherwood, OR : December 3, 2007 1:33 pm
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The truth is Obama has been doing just that. Sooner or later, voters will realize why they want Obama, not Hillary. Just like Obama said himself, there is always someone stood up for him. Imagine, facing debate with Republicans, Obama has no records to win. What a piece of cake for them.

Mr. Rove are you running for President? Are you a campaign advisor for any of these candidates? The answers is: NO!!!

Butt out buddy, your five minutes are up!

VandeHei, Tell Rove to SHUT the hell up!

In what area of the country is Barack Obama unknown? Clinton is grasping at straws trying to hold on to a dwindling lead that is only going to get smaller as people really start looking at the other options, all of which are better than her. She is resorting to dumb attacks that only make her look worse.

This makes you wonder since Rove and his bunch of clowns could never beat a Clinton in the past; Maybe the neo Nazi's are concerned?

This guy should go into hiding with Clintons in littleton Arkansa. They are so little in what they are saying.Childish!

"I despise him and wouldn't trust him further than I could spit at him."

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EXACTLY the same way many of us feel about the Clintons. No couple in the WH have been more calculating and dishonest than have been the Clintons.

Did people ever wonder at all why Rove left the WH at this time? He left so he could inject himself in his usual way into this final year's campaign on behalf of Republicans. He is much more useful to republicans now out of the White House than in. Watch for his useful little tidbits all over the place and just remember who it is coming from and the real motive will turn out to be the direct opposite of what is being said.

The antics of this lowlife crook are not real news. Rove is just trying to be the Paris Hilton of politics. Alas, his slimy talent for injecting psycho into legitimate debate has once again worked to garner him some attention. Congratulations, Rove. Hopefully we'll all soon become immune and you'll be reduced to pathetically jumping after microphones, or maybe biting the heads off chickens…

See Clinton lovers, she can't possibly be an effective president, Republicans hate her too much and unfortunately for her, she will still have to work with them. They despise her and will most likely vote against everything she proposes, for good reason though, her judgment isn't the best!
Posted By Anonymous : December 3, 2007 9:59 am

No, they are afraid of her, pretty much in the way you are afraid to post your name…birds of a feather.

Rove is a dangerous man. Rove is more dangerous than Osama bin Laden. Rove's strategies are more dangerous to the average American citizen than the threat of a nuke attack. Any candidate whom associates with him, or takes his advice, will quickly be scratched from my consideration as a candidate. Due to Obama's bashing rather than telling American's his policy and strategy goals, I've lost faith in his ability to work as a leader and in a team within his own party.

It's pretty obvious that Rove is trying to influence democrats to vote for Hillary, as it would be easier for a republican candidate to win against Hillary, than Obama in the presidential race. Obama's record is shorter and cleaner, and thus is more likely to win the presidency than Hillary.

The Repubs must REALLY be afraid of Hillary Clinton! They've put their attack dog–Rove–hard on her trail.

Yes, Opray Winfrey and Karl Rove would love to see Obama win the Democratic ticket instead of Clinton. Republicans know they can't win the election from Clinton. They also know they will win over Democrat Obama.

Rove tells Obama how to win election: just cheat!

Personally, I wouldn't trust ANYTHING Karl Rove has to say. Why is he giving advice to "the enemy"? Surely, it's not for altruistic reasons. He craves attention and his own self-aggrandizement. He should be doing this for McCain or Romney or someone in his own party. He also has this insatiable hatred of Hillary Clinton (and Bill, as well, of course). The man cannot be trusted, and anyone so blindly devoted to Salacious Crumb (Bush) and Darth Vader (Cheney), is NOT going to be so generous to the other side. I'm so ashamed and embarrassed for voting for Bush in 2000 (I wasn't so blind in 2004), so this whole Rove thing stinks to high heaven!

C'mon folks…why would Obama listen to Rove? Whatever Obama has been doing (i.e. *without* Rove's radical advice) has catapulted him into a dead-heat & possibly a lead over Clinton in Iowa. Why would Obama "fix" what ain't broken?

Someone please rendition Rove to Egypt for some alternate methods of interrogation please.

Horrendous Advice.

If he stays positive he will win.

Some must've missed the recent story about Rove's tactics in the '04 election. Howard Dean was leading the polls and on fire. Rove's strategy? Attack John Kerry. End result, hard core Dems rise up and defend "JFK" , dragging what was then a middling candidate across the finish line in Iowa. The Bush campaign wanted John Kerry at the top of the ticket. Now Rove is beating up Hillary. The very obvious conclusion to anyone with a brain is the GOP wants Hillary Clinton as the Dem nominee. A ticket with HRC at the top will set the Democratic party back many years. Of course that's what Rove is shooting for. Obvious, and will be quite the funny story if Dems fall for this yet again.

I think that turd blossom just wants to see the two leading Democrats going at each other's throats as viciously as possible during the primary season, so that the eventual nominee will be nicely softened up for the general election. A brutal primary fight sure would give plenty of ammunition to the republicans in the general election…. Still, as far as electability is concerned, Obama beats Hillary hands down. National polls consistently show both him and Edwards trouncing all of the leading republican candidates. Hillary still beats them, just not as resoundingly. I suspect that Rove simply realizes that the republicans really do have an abysmally weak field of candidates this year, so he's trying to get the Dems to self-destruct before the general election. I suspect that all of the Democratic campaigns will see right through this strategy, and will simply ignore his "advice." What a slimeball.

The Republicans want Obama because they know he can't win in the electoral college. States that have polarized racial issues like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Iowa will become automatic Republican wins because many white people in those states will not vote for a black president….
Posted By marquis : December 3, 2007 10:45 am

I'm pretty sure that any white person who wouldn't vote for Barack Obama just because he's black wouldn't vote for ANY Democrat. The Democrats lost the ignorant racist vote in the 1960s, and nominating Hillary isn't going to win them back - nor should we be trying to do so.

As for the notion that Rove is some sort of evil genius for getting W. elected "twice": Rove's stated goal was a "permanent Republican majority", which he and the GOP thought he could accomplish by getting Republicans to support the most divisive social and economic policies seen since the Gilded Age. How has this worked out? The GOP got their hats handed to them in the 2006 Congressional elections, a worse defeat than the Democrats took in 1994. And 2008 is shaping up to be even worse for the GOP - just look at all the rats like Lott and Hastert who are getting out of Congress while the "getting's good".

Rove is no genius - but he is an effective bomb-thrower, and he's a master at sowing dissent within the opposition. His purpose in giving "advice" to any Democrat is to get Democrats all worked up at one another, hopefully to the point that many of us will refuse to support the eventual winner of our nomination process.

Look for Karl the "concern troll" to provide similar "advice" to Obama, Edwards OR Hillary during the general election, too, in hopes that his stench will cling to the Democrats and reduce our enthusiasm to turn out at the polls in November.

Instead of attackin one another, Dems should concentrate on exposing and attacking the dismal record of Bush and his Republicans in the last eight years. That is what will get them in the White House, not the juvenile bickering that they are displaying at the moment.

Hillary For President in 2008, Obama for Vice President. Rove for the lowest pit in hell.

And, to the idiot that posted that this is all the more reason not to support Hillary in 2008 because the Republicans hate her and won't work with her, now we have to get permission from the Republicans before we are allowed to run for office? Are you born stupid, have a major head trauma that caused that, or did you take a course?

Im so glad to see this topic on the Political Ticker today. Where else would the Democrats go today to vent?

I keep reading essentially that Rove is speaking to Obama because Republicans don’t want to take on Hillary. This line of thought seems rational, except for the fact that Obama seems to have better numbers against the Republican Candidates than Hilary. This is because independents and more liberal republicans are seeking a new direction. Also, there are a good chunk of Republicans (like myself) that would vote for Obama but would never even consider voting for Hilary. The truth is, Republicans understand that winning the white house in 08 is unlikely, so you may as well root for the person who is going to unite instead of divide. Is it so unbelievable that some Americans would rather have the two best candidates in the general election rather than the person most likely to be beat by their parties’ candidate?

I would rather see 8 more years of a Republican than Hillary Clinton (and I am a registered GA Democrat)

It's obvious the republicans would much rather face Obama and not Hillary. Rove and the Republicans already know that they can't beat Hillary.

WAKE UP PEOPLE! The only reason Rove is doing this is because he knows none of the republicans can beet Hillary, but CAN beat Obama. Which is why he wants to help Obama beat Hillary. Nice try Rove LOL!!

Rove sees Obama as naive, stupid,unintelligent, oaf, plain dumb and a good for nothing idiotic nincompoop. Thus the advise. Even if Obama heeds his advise, he still won't win. This Obama has no chance. I wouldn't have even voted for him as an alderman.

To Joe Wilkins, Michigan:

Hillary Clinton stated she would "consider" nuclear action against Iran.

Just like all the GOP candidates.

It's time to re-evaluate your posting, no?!

Hillary Clinton is the candidate for those who are nostalgic for pre-Bush 9/11 days, when instead of being vigilant with regards to what was really going on during the Clinton administration, everyone was playing golf hoping to be the next Tiger Woods, and watching Jordan, Pipen, and Rodman wow us playing for the Chicago Bulls. The 90's was a breather between wars, Iraq 1 and 2, after the Cold War. If Hillary wins my bet her administration will look more like the Nixon Whitehouse, which is when she cut her teeth in politics as a Republican.

I agree with "douglasq", Rove is up to something. I despise him and wouldn't trust him further than I could spit at him. Either Clinton (my first choice) or Obama (my last) would make a better President than the monster that Rove helped bring to power.

Wow. Amazing. Once again CNN shows us exactly how easy it is to manipulate an audience with something as simple as a blog entry title.

What happened to the lost art of reading comprehension? For those of you who forgot to read past the first sentence: Rove wrote this memo on his own, in a newspaper. Obama never asked for it, or wanted it, and I'd bet a good amount of money that he doesn't even know about it yet. It even says "unsolicited suggestions" right in the piece!

What's next. If O.J. Simpson suddenly wrote an "some advice to H. Clinton" entry on his personal blog. Would all of you knee-jerk people then say: "Gasp!! Clinton is taking advice from O.J., what's the world coming too!"

Shame on CNN for their continued mis-reporting and situation manipulation. Much like their unending need to portray the 2008 race as a boxing glove on boxing glove slugfest in order to boost their ratings.

But more shame on all the responses for so easily swallowing the obvious bait that CNN throws your way. Thanks, everybody, you continue to prove that stupidity in America wasn't a 2004 fluke.

Karl Rove is fully discredited and his only legacy is divisiveness.