(That despite the fact that black men got the vote in the USA five decades or so before women, white, black or otherwise.)

I will not vote for Oprama. If the powers-that-be conspire to nominate him I will, for the first time in my life, switch parties and vote for anyone else.

I completely understand the desire to not have another republican in the whitehouse but we as democrats are not the deciding votes. That 12% of undecideds come novemeber of 08 are and they aren't just mad at Bush they are mad at washington.

No candidate screams washington insider like hillary does on either side of this race.

A change election means change from washington politics as usual. Clinton = washington politics as usual. We may nominate her but she won't win. Same ideas same package has failed to get it done.

Bush and cheney and no sitting republican washingtonites are in this race. Hillary loses the general.

We know exactly how the republican and democrat vote splits this election is about who gets the independents.

Best thing that happened to republicans was the democratic victory last year now Washington democrats are as guilty of washington gridlock as the republicans in their minds.

Look at the republican polls right now. Not a single republican has gotten the passion of the republican party. Their motivation to get out and vote in november of 08 will be real low unless we put a olarizing hated hillary opposite a schmuck they don't really like that much. THey'll show up to vote against her.

Hillary = Loss.

With edwards and biden accepting matching funds they will be at a huge economic disadvantage vs the republican money machine now and that means Richardson or Obama are our best bets as Dodd is also an insider.

My vote the pro second amendment red state governor that won re-election with 67% of the vote has great ideas including being a supply side economics democrat. If he gets airtime he'll play well, rushing to get points out in scant minutes makes it real hard to shine. I'ld love an richardson/obama ticket in either order they complement each other well.

Madame President of the United States…it's an extraordinary thought. We truly are in a momentous time, where a woman's potential has no limitations," "Hillary Clinton has already proven to a generation of women that there are no limits for success. She is driven by her passion for public service and her belief in the enormous potential of our country. Smart, capable and strong in her convictions, Hillary has transcended the dictates of what is thought to be possible for our time.
"Hillary is a powerful voice for change as we find our country at an important crossroads. Under her leadership, our country will regain its respect within the global community. She will prioritize issues of global climate change, universal healthcare and rebuilding a strong economy. After 8 long years, the public will once again have faith in their government.
"Another former first lady, Eleanor Roosevelt once wrote, 'In government, in business, and in the professions there may be a day when women will be looked upon as persons. We are, however, far from that day as yet.' More than 50 years later 'that day' is now upon us…and Hillary Clinton is ready to shatter through that glass ceiling for all women."
SHAME ON YOU OPRAH!
VOTE FOR CLINTON

Posted By Moose1648, anchorage, alaska : December 6, 2007 12:53 pm

Moose, that is her biggest flaw!

Adding Oprah Windbag doesn't help him in the least, since he can't be sure if folks are for him or for her.

Posted By Independent in IA : December 6, 2007 1:58 pm

There's not a major candidate out ther that doesn't have some sort of celebrity endorsement, be it Babs Streisand (Clinton), Chuck Norris (Huckabee), Curt Schilling, (Romney). Why is everyone making such a fuss about Oprah's choice. People try to say it's race-based, that's a load of crap, she never supported Keyes, Jackson or Sharpton. She's doing it because she believes in what the man stands for, period. She has no ulterior motive, she doesn't want a cabinet position.
The fact is she is an intelligent, caring, informed, concerned person and a lot of people respect what she does and what she says. Frankly of all the celeb endorsements, this one will probably carry more weight than all the others combined. Perhaps that's what has Obama-haters worried, she is in a position to actually steal a lot of Hillary's voters.

Your assumption that the only reason Edwards is still "viable" is because he is a white male is ludicrous. Who are you to speak for Edwards' supporters? Your logic is a bit frightening. It almost sounds as if you are insinuating if you support Edwards you are a racist. And, quite frankly, what is the problem with reinventing one's self? Most people grow older and wiser, and we often see their views change. We are in trouble when people do not change and remain stubborn regardless of the havoc they wreak...current president being a perfect example. I am an African American female who will be voting for John Edwards.

Giuliani vs. Clinton
1245 RV 42% 46% Clinton +4%

Giuliani vs. Obama
1245 RV 39% 44% Obama +5%

Obama does as well against Giuliani as Clinton does.

Romney vs. Clinton

1245 RV 39% 47% Clinton +8%

Romney vs. Obama
1245 RV 33% 45% Obama +12%

Obama does as well as Clinton vs. Romney.

Clinton is NOT more electable than Obama.

Adding Oprah Windbag doesn't help him in the least, since he can't be sure if folks are for him or for her.

If we're posting on this site, then each of us has no excuse – we have every imaginable resource just a few clicks away. But instead of doing any research and digging even the slightest bit deeper than the rhetoric, the general consensus seems to be to just digest what is given to us.

And seriously – are the people posting about Obama being a muslim plant/operative/whatever actually serious, or are they just trying to illicit a response? I mean really, thats just overt racism. Its completely and utterly false, and more importantly, its the very definition of being un-American.

There is no government-mandated religion here. Thats what makes us great. You can be Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, ZOrastrian, Scientologist, or Athiest. It doesnt matter. This concept, the concept of a pluralistic society that allows for a Mosque to be on the same street as a Church which is on the same street as a Synagogue, is what separates us from that other world that you people so obviously hate and fear being "infiltrated" by. We are NOT a middle eastern theocracy.

When people call Senator Obama "Osama", "a muslim plant", or anything else like that, it is THEY who are taking our country in the direction of those countries. Judging people not based on who they are or the type of person or leader they can be, but rather based on skin tone, religion, ethnicity, or family background. That is precisely what they do in Saudi Arabia and much of the rest of the world that we look at with disdain.

Assume the republicans are backing Obama.

Could it be that they are so certain they are going to loose this time that they prefer anyone on the democratic side but Hillary? Do you wonder why so many people (democrats, republicans and independents) dislike this woman so much?

As to your line: the chance of Obama, being a black man and inexperienced, is very slim.

The point here is not that you can believe your felow americans to vote for a black candidate, but whether or not you will raise above your hypocrital racial view and vote for a black man. That is your call, dont speak for the rest of us.

In October, when Hillary was all time high in polls, Bush 41 said he used to think Hillary's nomination as a "give me", a for sure conclusion. But then, he forsaw polls will reverse againsf Hillary without explaining why....In my view, Bush 41 might have learned that the repiblican strategists have proposed to help Obama to beat Hillary in nomination.

The recent repeated advices to Obama by Rove appears to confirm this fact.

There is no way Obama will get nomination on his own merits – not on his experience, his qualifications, his abilities, his poltical issues, and his electability. In my view, he is simply immature.

I suspect that the republicans have helped Obama, especially in Iowa and New Hampshire, through push polls, negative TV ads & radio ads, against Hillary Clinton.

Obama is more easily beatable than Hillary in the next general election. The chance of Obama, being a black man and inexperienced, is very slim.

I think Hillary is a good politician. It will be a great loss to the democratic party if she does not get nominated because the democratic voters get fooled by Obama and the republicans, and a bigger loss to america if she does not get elected.

we are sick of reading the same line: "Clinton seems to be the only Democratic candidate that can beat the GOP candidate".

Uh, I forgot! I am asking a hillary supporter to be creative. What an oxymoron.

I hope the Democrats consider this when we are choosing our candidate.

Being in a bogus marriage to a former President does not make a person Presidential material.

This country needs a strong leader that can stand up to other world leaders.

HILLARY CAN'T EVEN ANSWER A QUESTION IN A DEBATE....how could she handle the pressure of being President?

Also, in a recent poll (not taken by CNN), Hillary loses to the top five Republican candidate that is running.

You need to get a reality check.

Clinton supporters seem not to understand the significant of her negative ratings. If from the start 50% of all voters don't like you, you have a lot of work to do. She would have some problems defeating any of the republicans.

The Republicans fear Hillary because they know that her policies will work. Instead of focusing on the differences in policy they choose to use demagoguery. Republicans want voters to vote with emotion and Obama is playing that same game. When it comes to politics, why should someone earning less than $200,000 per year listen to Oprah, who is rich? Oprah is a talk show host, and now all of a sudden she's a pundit? Knock it off. She doesn’t care about those of us who have to work for our livings. She just wants to feed egos. We don’t NEED Obama. A vote for Obama is a vote for the Republicans.

Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate, the most experienced candidate and she’s READY TO LEAD ON DAY ONE.

She has more Washington experience but that doesn't maker her ready to lead. Let's be honest, if Hillary wasn't the wife of Bill Clinton she wouldn't even be Senator right now. There is nothing about her that is special.
On the other hand, Obama is a self-made man. Let's ask ourselves who has real talent and skills.

Obama '08

Yeeeeaggghhh!

Imagine what these numbers will look like after Iowa and a lot of the 2nd tier candidates drop out? Poll after poll has indicated that Obama will gain a lot more of their supporters than she will, especially if he wins in Iowa.

The more these polls show Hillary's lead slipping or gone, the more her campaign personally attacks Obama. I'm lovin it!

Obama '08!

Vote with your brain…not your tendency to be star-struck!

OPRAMA is the epitome of fame using politics to push an agenda that is more show-boating than anything else.

This is a dangerous combination! We need experience and groundwork and people who represent the whole of America, not the stars and their followers…Think about it…this is scary. The Dems have candidates with substance well beyond the rhetoric of a OPRAMA. There are candidates whose ideas are ignored due to the fascination naive voters seem to have with OPRAMA. Read the candidates webpages on their issues; then look at their records and educate yourselves beyond the fame.

Don't jump onto the "fame train" just because it's the popular thing to do. Educate yourselves…we are not choosing the Class President; we are choosing the PRESIDENT of the United States. OPRAMA is a mistake.

You are not going to agree with everything your candidate stands for and everything in his or her record, but he or she should have a record!

OPRAMA is not the choice for America at this time. WE NEED A LEADER WHO CAN FACE THE WORLD WITH BOTH COMPASSION AND STRENGTH-ONE WHO HAS EXPERIENCE TO DO SO FROM THE START. THINK ABOUT IT. DO NOT HAND US OVER TO OPRAMA.

This is the biggest mistake on the horizon yet! Give us to experience and strength and leave OPRAMA to Hollywood with the rest of the stars!

Vote NO for OPRAMA and yes to America

And to the Anonymous one from Michigan, you are obviously a republican complaining that Clinton is a terrible candidate for the "Dems" to back. Give us a rest will ya? You have enough crap on your primary ticket to worry about. You have Guiliani, the immigration nightmare, Romney, the flipper, McCain, the Bush League yes-man, Thompson, the Reagan-posterboy, and Huckabee, the guy that pulled a "Willie Horton" recently. The group is so full of holes they won't float come election time!

Clinton's "unelectability" is a GOP farce. She is defusing that as she speaks to people and they get to know the person whom the GOP has vilified all these years. It's up to the voters in the primary whom they want to go forward, not the GOP though. And once the GOP voters get to hear what she has to say I think her electability outlook will change greatly next year.

So if you want to talk about a candidate make sure they are in your party, anony.

Telling it like I see it,
Wynter

Clintons they are a fine piece of work...The most corupt people to ever occupy the WH. Check it out

http://prorev.com/legacy.htm

It's been close to 12 hours since I posted on this thread.

And, as scary as this sounds, I do agree with the comment above that, not only would Republicans destroy Obama if he wins the nomination, but that many Democracts would vote for the GOP rather than Obama given the state of our country and his lack of experience.

In frustration, Clinton will retire from politics and get a starring role on Grey's Anatomy. Obama will become so frustrated with the voters that he really will convert to Islam. Edwards will join the UAW and go to work for GM. Giualiani will get married again, join the police academy and, after flunking out, become a private militia member in Iraq. McCain will go on the road as an anti-Kucinich stand-up comedian with a show called "The Big Ears Express."