Biden once again proves he is the best candidate for President. Biden is the voice of reason and intelligence.

Tax & Spend or Borrow & Spend,
which is worse?

The Credit Card Republicans have been running
our country on debt and deficits for the
last 6 or 7 years.

9 Billion borrowed American deficit tax dollars
vanished without a trace in Iraq, but
suddenly the neo-cons are all worried about
the cost of an investigation?

It's not about sex.

It makes me sad to read all these comments. To be honest, the difference of opinion I'm seeing does not seem to fit the word United. United in what? Military? Is that it? The United States should be two seperate countries, maybe even three and it should have been that way a long time ago. Not patriotic? Nope.

Yes, of course, appoint a special counsel. Nothing will happen without it. This will lay the groundwork for criminal prosecutions once this administration is out of office.

Do I believe this is anything more than grandstanding on Sen. Biden's part? No, but a special counsel is still the way to go.

Terry, Lakeland Florida. NICE TRY! You really do think you're smart don't you? Well I think you're funny…so that's something anyway.

Here are some facts you apparently don't know about your hero Bush's tax cuts:

• Over the ten-year period, the richest Americans—the best-off one percent—are slated to receive tax cuts totaling almost half a trillion dollars. The $477 billion in tax breaks the Bush administration has targeted to this elite group will average $342,000 each over the decade.

•By 2010, when (and if) the Bush tax reductions are fully in place, an astonishing 52 percent of the total tax cuts will go to the richest one percent—whose average 2010 income will be $1.5 million. Their tax-cut windfall in that year alone will average $85,000 each. Put another way, of the estimated $234 billion in tax cuts scheduled for the year 2010, $121 billion will go just 1.4 million taxpayers.

•Although the rich have already received a hefty down payment on their Bush tax cuts—averaging just under $12,000 each this year—80 percent of their windfall is scheduled to come from tax changes that won’t take effect until after this year, mostly from items that phase in after 2005.

PLEASE IF YOU HAVE FACTS TO DISPUTE THIS THEN POST THEM.

Otherwise you are just a sounding board for Fox News…and arrogant to boot.

Here we go again, another attempt to waste time and money, but hey, it gives us all something to watch on the news!
This candidate made some pretty strong accusations, hope he can back them up.
Or it will just turn out like all the other attempts when some people testified and the ones who initiated the investigations like on Mr. Gonzales, didn't have the facts to back up their accusations.
Interesting.

So your taxes are "lower"? Does that offset the increase in the price of gas, insurance premiums, health care costs, housing, food, etc.?

Posted By Pat, Sacramento, CA : December 10, 2007 2:29 pm
AS to the dems plan, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes.

Wait is there any plan the dems have put forth that doesn't require they raise taxes? If they take over soon buying gas will be the least of our problems.

Maybe he should send in Joe Wilson..

Terry in Lakeland, You believe too much liberal media spin. You wouldn't complain about tax breaks for the upper class if you were one of them. And, the war is necessary but you just don't understand yet. Maybe IF a democat wins the presidency, and plays the same old appeasement tune as before, we'll be attacked again and then you'll see. Some wars are necessary-this is one of them. Guess what. Our family takes in $40,000 a year and we're doin just fine; it's a matter of priorities.

We should investigate Mr Biden. He is a rodant.

So your taxes are "lower"? Does that offset the increase in the price of gas, insurance premiums, health care costs, housing, food, etc.?

I would personally prefer higher taxes on the income I had before Bush took office and the lower cost of living.

Nice try Mark. The reason we have such a large deficit is because Bush has us involved in a sensless war that has cost taxpayers ~$450 Billion while lowering income taxes on the upper class.

Posted By Marc, Lafayette CA : December 10, 2007 11:43 am

Wait bush lowered taxes on me….that must mean I'm rich….YAAAAAAAAA…no wait, I'm not rich…hold on how come my income taxes got lowered….wait that's because bush DIDN'T lower taxes only on the rich….good try Marc, wrong again, but it was a good try!!

Yeah, the CIA destroys two videotapes of interrogations of terrorists, and we should spend millions of dollars investigating this!

No wonder we have such a large deficit.

Posted By Mark, Shreveport, La : December 10, 2007 8:51 am

Nice try Mark. The reason we have such a large deficit is because Bush has us involved in a sensless war that has cost taxpayers ~$450 Billion while lowering income taxes on the upper class.

Seriously, nice try though. Better luck next time.

And this effects me how?

Funny - theres always someone to blame for everything. Keep in mind - the same group that targeted the United States "gave" us additional information on twarting future attacks - and if we didn't utilize such tactics…maybe we wouldn't of stopped them…..you have the bleeding hearts (same people who would release a serial rapist because they didn't read him miranda) - a baffling group of angry (most likely vegan) left wing Democrats….neither the CIA or the FBI has ever answered to a group of politicians…ever

Eureka! I’ve got a great idea!

Let’s hold some useless, politically-motivated hearings during an election year and investigate the snot out of the CIA AND the FBI. Then, in response, let’s hamstring them with endless additional rules, regulations, caviats, “Gorlick walls” and bureaucratic shackles. Then, after the NEXT 9/11 happens, we can hold another set of useless, politically-motivated hearings to determine why the intelligence-gathering apparatus did NOT stop the attack.

Genius!

It’s the CIA’s job to do unsavory, yet necessary, things and lie to us about it. Those who believe one can make an omelet without breaking eggs are destined to starve.

I think we all know this would go nowhere. the CIA is so corrupt. they are the ones that started and bankrolled al-Queda in the first place.

Joe, is that a halo around your head in this snapshot?

Would it bother any of you liberals to actually go beyond NPR or MSNBC and do some research and discover that:

The leading Democrat in the Nation was aware of the tactics - Nancy Pelosi

ONLY three people have been given this method and two of the three gave up information that SAVED LIVES, possibly even LIBERALS were among those saved.

Three times and two of them talked, the MSM can't let those FACTS get out as it would confuse the sheep or change the non-sheeps perception.

These people whose rights you all so cherish do not fall under the Geneva convention rules.

These people would not think twice about CUTTING YOUR FOOL HEAD OFF or your INNOCENT CHILDREN and while they are doing it, you can explain to them "how you understand them" and "it is not their fault".

Maybe we should sit them down and have "teas and cookies" and then they will tell us everything.

Hillary can make the teas and bake he cookies…. actually, she can't.

Waterboarding SIMULATES drowning, cutting your head off with a DULL blade REALLY HAPPENS.

No laws were broken. This again is a Dem ploy to try and make noise. Which is about all the Dems have ben able to get done.

How about a Special Counsel to investigate the removal and destruction of a large about of Documents that show a bad light on Mrs. Clinton.

Valarie Plame, wasn't an active agent on active missions…there is a big difference between a desk agent and a field agent.

I think we need to have Biden investigated.

Wonder if Mr Star is around still, he's probably up for wasting a few more million.

No laws broken, but Biden and the other Demograts say a special counsel needs to be appointed.

Once again we see the waste of time by DC insiders. Instead of showing the nation how he would imporve the country if he became President, Biden comes out against the Bush White House for some inane reason. If Biden wants to bring his poll numbers up, try actually doing the job he was voted for and stop jumping on every bandwagon that will get him air time on the tv and space in the papers.

You really can't get mad at him for it though. Soon all the Dem candidates will be calling for the special counsel and all the Repub candidates will be firing back at them. Welcome to CIVILISED politics.

Yeah, the CIA destroys two videotapes of interrogations of terrorists, and we should spend millions of dollars investigating this!

No wonder we have such a large deficit.

The political grandstanding that's going on is absolutely disgusting. Turns out key Democrats were well versed on the operations and interrogation techniques utilized by the CIA since 2002. Some even questioned if they were going far enough. Now, when they can make political hay of it, they stand on their self-righteous soapboxes and spout their anti=Bush rhetoric. The sad part is much of the population now believes that nonsense too…leading to a very divided country. Thanks a lot Biden!!

Wake up, people! The CIA DID break the law, they are covering up for Bush and Cheney, and it is past time for someone, anyone, to call for an investigation.
To say that the Democrats are harder on Bush than on terrorists is ludicrous…this country supposedly believes in the rights of ALL people (isn't that one reason Bush gave for the war…"to bring democracy to the Iraqui people," he said.) We cannot become terrorists ourselves by permitting torture of ANYONE! That doesn't make us safe; it reduces us to their level, and makes us look weak to the rest of the world. The US is better than that-and torture does not bring truth, as has been proven. Someone being waterboarded will say what you want to hear, not the truth, if they even know it. If you want to be a barbarian, please take your ideas somewhere else. I prefer a civilized society where people who break the law are investigated, and where we try to live by the Golden Rule.
GO JOE!

Well isn't that special. A brownshirt wannabe named Andy wants an investigation on the Dems because they don't agree with his lord Bush.
You will have to imagine what else I have to say , because I wouldn't say it here.

Allowing our government to torture people… what could possibly go wrong?

Our nation was founded on torture and secret prisons!

And Valarie Plame will be glad to know that our rulers are indeed greatly concerned with protecting the identity of our CIA operatives. Starting now.

CYA time in the halls of justice, the CIA, FBI and all the other agencies involved in counter-terrorism.

I think Mr biden mis quoted him self when he said " in the public intrest to do so " He meant to say " in the libral intrest to impeach the president " This guy has been out to get Bush for years unsuccessfully to even the score. Republicans had far less on clinton and were able to impeach even if they couldnt get cencors on him. After all the attempts this man has made to get the job done on bush he has failed time after time to make one thing stick. history will decide what this administration did wrong or how it conducted itself , at this point an investigation into this matter would only cost too much money and waste valuable time for no results.

There are fools out there. Committing crimes, suspension of civil and human rights, limiting access to the courts and denying legal representaion in the fantasy of providing security are not protecting anyone. Benjamin Franklin once warned the Continential congress as they debated what to do to reconsile with King George, he told them to be warry of giving up basic civil rights in the name of security, or they might awake one morning and discover that they have neither.

Toture, destruction of tapes that should torture and identify interigators is not a poiltical manner, it is not a ball to be used for political advantage by either political parties. It is a significant event, that underscores the moral, and ethicals values that this nation has stood for in the eyes of the world.

A full non political investigation is called for, truth and justise have never been a waste of money nore time unless you were the party that had something to hide.

I find it amazing that anyone could suggest otherwise ! The GOP stance is that the CIA should do an internal investigation …on a cover up and destruction of evidence charge done to avoid investigation ? thats like asking Nixon to handle Watergate investigations.

The political grandstanding that's going on is absolutely disgusting. Turns out key Democrats were well versed on the operations and interrogation techniques utilized by the CIA since 2002. Some even questioned if they were going far enough. Now, when they can make political hay of it, they stand on their self-righteous soap boxes and spout their anti=Bush rhetoric. The sad part is much of the population now believes that nonsense too…leading to a very divided country. Thanks a lot Biden!!

There is no law that states the tapes should be kept, so if they were destroyed to protect the CIA covert operatives, and the Dems are more interested in a non-legal issue rather than helping protect our guys

It's only ok to not protect CIA operatives when petty political revenge is the motive isn't it?

This isn't even the tip of the iceberg. This Administration has been operating with impugnity from the start, and if there is a special counsel to investigate, that counselor should be given a wide berth, because there's a whole lot more to this than meets the eye. Abusing our troops, lying to the nation, then making poor attempts to cover it up and then lie about the lies…ENOUGH!!! Impeach, THEN prosecute!!!

Seriously, if the CIA hasnt gotten Osama by now, they lost whatever chance they had. I dont believe in second chances, either lol.

Defending America does not imply to do wrong and torture is wrong.

More sleazeball politics by the head sleaze….

Waterboarding is nothing compared to all the monstrosities committed by those people (decapitations, lynching, bombings, etc.)

Waterboarding is torture? Great! All those who want to destroy our families deserve to be punished.

We have reached a point where "political correctness" has become more important than "correctness" itself. Those who believe that terrorists should be treated well, shouldn't be considered real Americans.

It's not at all about whether or not torture was used as the reason why these tapes were destroyed.

It's about eliminating the evidence which Zubaydah provided, incriminating the Saudi, Pakistani, and U.S. intelligence services in orchestrating 9/11.

The Bush administration is doing all it can to hide the evidence of its criminal culpability.

They WANT you to believe that it's about torture, when it's not. Don't let them mislead you any more!

Also, interesting that this story comes out immediately following Bush's contradictory statements about Iran and the NIE… Trying to change the subject are we?

Biden is looking for a bump in the polls. Why do our own people {Democrats} always try to hang the men trying to protect us and try to make everything political. The White House told them not to destroy the tapes this has nothing to do with politics but old Joe wants to keep the dream alive for a few more weeks and if making mountains out of mole hills can accomplish that for him, he is all in. Pathetic!

in Sep.2002, nancy pelosi was given a virtual tour of CIA detention sites and harsh techniques used. No formal objections were raised about the severe methods used during 2002-2003 when waterboarding was used and Pelosi was on the oversight committee. She now declines to comment directly on the classified breifings..Typical power driven Liberal.

Apparently, the only thing the Dems can do in Congress, is to call for a special prosecuter - the gazillionth time in the last 30 year. Never get tired of gotcha politics do they?

I can't beleive how some people are reacting to this story. This administration is by far, the worst I have ever witnessed in my 41 years! The fact that people are actually advacating torture is stunning. Even my father, who voted for Bush in 2004, cannot beleive the sheer arrogance and imcompetence of Bush and his enablers.

JOE BIDEN: MOST UNDERRATED PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE

the democrats knew about this for quite some time.. but only now is it convenient to feign outrage.

*yawn*

Ben Marble MD,

You must be a member of SOROS party and moveondotorg. Get lost… You are obsessed with media including CNN and you want to impeach our president. Have a life… I wonder CNN will publish this one..

The democrat is a fool. CIA primary goal is to protect U.S.A interest and defeat our enemies. Why our ememies having more rights than our people?

I am fearful when the dems are tougher on the CIA and our President than on terrorists. Particulalry given their lead in the polls. God help us all.

…it is possible this investigation could lead to the White House." As well as several other matters of consequence, yet no one has pursued it. Talk is cheap!

We have nothing to hide, we don't toture, don't lie, and we don't stick our nose where it doesn't belong. What you see is not reality. Get over it!!!!!

Pinocchio

"Special Counsel" - The use of millions of taxpayer dollars solely for political gain.

Mr. Biden, return to your usual activities of plagiarizing speeches and polling at 3% please.

Justice Department should investigate Sandy Berger first.

Oh give me a break! The Washington Post is reporting that Nancy Pelosi herself was well aware of waterboarding back in 2002 and never raised any concerns.

CNN won't carry that story, and they will most certainly take this comment down.

No wonder they don't get anything done in Washington. They're too busy investigating each other. It's not just the Democratic party, but both political sides in this country spend so much taxpayer money and time on these inquests, it's discouraging to the voters/taxpayers.

It is a shame that Seantor Biden needs to be the first to call for a Special Counsel to investigate the extistance and destruction of tapes that could very well have been used on crimminal prosecution of those invovled in say 13 months.

However, this matter should be in the for front of agenda items for both parties in the Congress, we are no longer dealing with a matter that can be called political bickering. This matter has elevated to a violation of federal law, destruction of evidence, covering up a violation of federal law, covering up international war crimes.

A totally independent Counsel to investigate the matter is totally appropriate, but unfortunetly at this time a investigation into this matter shall not be completed during this admistration. However, it must be done reguardless of the time frame.

I want a special investigator to probe the Democrats in Congress who have spent the better part of the past eight years playing 'gotcha politics' with the Bush administration, wasting millions of tax payers dollars and coming up empty on every probe they conducted so far. Really, how can anyone take the Dems seriously if they can't see how out of touch with reality they have been? There is no law that states the tapes should be kept, so if they were destroyed to protect the CIA covert operatives, and the Dems are more interested in a non-legal issue rather than helping protect our guys, then the Dems are the ones who need to be probed for their sense of duty. Who are they working for? The terrorists? No law was broken. Now, Mr. Biden, go run for president and lose like the loser you already are!

The headline on the CNN hompage reads "Dem wants CIA tape destruction probed".

CNN is meticulous about keeping Senator Biden's name off the front page. How about:

"Biden wants CIA tape destruction probed"

Senator Biden is right. A Special Counsel is warranted.

He is also looking more and more Presidential as the time ticks by. If not President then Vice-President.

He is a patriotic American and a strong no-nonsense leader. If he were the nominee I would vote for him.

This read like a big cover up, On top of that why now are we finding out about this , After two years of more cover ups,, Look like a lot of stuff is going to come out soon, The sad part, I don't think they will do any thing, Still these people need to be put in jail

I disagree with there being a need for any investigation of the CIA destroying videos of waterboarding. We do not need to repeat the travesties of the multiple displays of pics from Abu Ghraid. If Sheik Mohammed was subjected to water-boarding, I say "good". Let's separate plotical ambitions for presidential elections from what's right for this country. We need to defend America!

No more scenics anymore. we need our country back! I am no longer paying attention to these guys……

So let's recap…

Dubya Gump approves new methods of 'extreme interrogation' including waterboarding

The CIA decides to cover their bums by videotaping the new techniques in action

Dubya Gump continues to say 'we don't torture'

John McCain says "WATERBOARDING IS TORTURE" and suddenly a few days later we find out the videotapes of that TORTURE were destroyed….?
hmmm sounds like a real mystery to me…..
NOT!
cya
Ben
PS Dick + Bush = Screwed so let's stop getting screwed IMPEACH NOW!

Joe, we are talking about Oprah and Obama this weekend. We know Bush has a pass and is not accountable to anything. Please stop wasting our time……

Of course. Yet another distraction from the current failures of Congress.

the man

Biden a true leader and I hope the next president of the USA.

This will show us if Mukasy is independent as he claims or anothe Bush puppet. Since he wouldn't give a straight answer about torture during the confirmation - I'm going with puppet.

That is why we need change Mr. Biden, that is why we are choosing Obama because we won't have such incidencies to start with!

I trully feel American again. Thank you Lord for having such people like Oprah and Obama. I strongly believe if we don't have Obama in this race, people could be divided and down like they have been the last seven years. Go Oprah,go Obama!

Joe, it is time for you to retire. You want to spend american tax-payers money to have another special counsel. It is better for you to say I am anti-Bush so I will do anything to spend public money. You are a real hypocrite. You should know that although you are one of the presidential candidates, you have no credible support. Just go away, senator. Do no waste our money.

Pretty strong comments and implications coming from the senator of least respect.

Haven't the Republicans learned anything in 35 years? #1…DON'T make tapes (with Watergate it was audio, now its video) of yourself doing things that are legally or ethically questionable and #2 the destruction of these tapes are a vitual admission of guilt, regardless of how you spin it. (Nixon tried to spin "executive privelege", now the Bush administration is trying "national security").

Further, considering the Justice Department apparently approved of these techniques, if there was any doubt until now about whether Gonzalez was a frightening Attorney General…this should settle the issue.

CIA Spooks working hand and hand with there government? A comfortable little agreement I'm sure? If Biden thinks he's gonna crack these guys up, your crazy. These people carry cyanide tablets, to avoid giving information. Hayden is a carefully guided lapdog. The media needs to let this one drop, before the bottom falls out on them. I'd hate to see another good reporter, blackmailed for their loose lips.

RIGHT ON JOE!!!

Again KUDOS to Sen. Joe for demanding that Blame be assigned to the symptoms before we Fix the Problem.

I love to see Congress waste more of OUR TIME, OUR TAX-DOLLARS, and OUR PATIENCE while they each try to assign blame to the other as they attempt to gain dignity in the process!!!

BTW, Joe, what Law School did you learn this at? I don't think the Syracuse University College of Law teaches this.

One more thing Joe… Stop beating that Anti-Bush drum, even the natives are getting tired of it! Please in the future try to be more pertinent and topical to the moment, and to what the issues really are in this Country that you seem to forget is paying Your Mortgage!

If you need help with this, contact Chris in Middletown, Ct; or Bernard, Scotch Plains, NJ; or Amy, WA; or Schratboy, Boulder CO: or really ANYONE Joe. Hey if you call up Jack Cafferty, i bet he would be happy to offer you some pointers!

You are the LONGEST RUNNING SENATOR from Delaware in HISTORY, so please, act accordingly!

There just doesn't seem to be much confidence inspired in the outcome when you know those accused of committing possible crimes may be investigating themselves. Why don't they just say they are innocent now and save us all a lot of problems waiting for they are innocent later?

(^) oh one more thing.

http://www.golden-lamp.com

Before you can figure out the CIA, you need to figure out Water into Wine at a wedding. Duh.