CNN

I think everyone underestimates the amount of women that will say they are voting for someone else but when they are at the actual voting booth will vote for Hilary, which my conservative friends even put at 5 – 10% or more.

As the democratic voters learn more and more about Hillary, they are learning that she is the not person to lead their party or the country. It's becoming clearer that Obama will be candidate who could unite this country. Once he wins the nomination, the Hillary supporters will rally around him. Hillary evades and divides us. She has more moves than OJ.

Posted By Sam, Lexington, Ky : December 12, 2007 5:53 am

You are like a lot of Obama supporters...you think Hillary supporters are going to back Obama if he wins the nomination...I"m not so sure

Obama, Clinton, Edwards ... remind me of the TV show "Mod Squad." Gee, am I dating myself??

Posted By Me in West Virginia : December 12, 2007 3:19 pm

What an unbelievable load of unmitigated racist tripe. So you're only reason for supporting Edwards is because he's white? You think all white Dems will vote for him on the same basis? What century are you living in, Me?
The scary thing is that you actually have a vote.

So Obama throws a campaign staffer under the bus and admits that he allowed a candidate survey to be filled out by someone else but he has never disavowed it until now...I ain't buying it.

The only question for the election this year is this:

Are there more women in America or African Americans?

The only question left is who will the white men vote for? This is where John Edwards comes into play....

My two cents – The ONLY reason Oprah supports Obama is because she wants a black president. I GUARANTEE you if Hillary was black, she would definitely be on her band wagon!! A black woman president, man would she be all over that!

Poor Hillary and Bill is still crying about being picked on by Obama and Edwards just today it was reported thet Bill was was upset with the way that her campaign was not responding to the negative attacks from the afore mentioned.Well I would rather have someone running the country that does not have to always cry because they feel like they are being picked on.As far as expierience Hillary needs to remember that she still is being groomed by Bill.And that is why so many of her supporters are for her.Not because of her experience.

So, in 1996, Barack Obama said he is against the death penalty and wanted to ban handguns- and Mrs. Clinton thinks that disqualifies him as being electable.

If my memory is correct, 1996 was also the year that Bill Clinton was engaging in a sexual relationship with a White House intern in the oval office.

Apparently, Mrs. Clinton thinks are Americans are both pro-death-penalty and pro-sex-with-interns.

Can someone explain the myth of 'Hillary's experience'?
Obama has been successful at every stop on his short journey. His judgment (see early speeches on Pakistan, Iraq + Iran)is worth 100x's more than Beltway experience.
Stop kidding yourselves CLinton supporters.

"Obama attacked Edwards with an Iowa mailer"

That's inaccurate CNN. CNN you need to do a little more homework. The document was a fax from the Obama campaign to a UAW group in September 2007. Since then it's been circulated among labor groups. The Obama campaign has never mailed it out to voters.

Also combining Hillary's campaign December 2007 attack flyer against Obama's health care plan with the September 2007 labor-group circulated Obama document is media distortion at its best.

If Clinton's plan would cover more people than Obama's, maybe she could explain why. Until then, it's a campaign slogan, not a fact.

If it's true, maybe it's because Obama’s plan compromises enough to get passed. Let’s not forget Clinton’s experience in health care reform….

By the by, way to milk that one article by quoting it three times in your flier, Hillary. It gives the impression Obama has more than one critic in the major media.

It's like watching the little boys down the street fight over the ice cream cone I am just about to take from them...

Sorry Steve Landing NJ and you're at least agree that Biden would make a good nominee.

if you are so afraid of the woman

I think it is funny that you use this excuse to blame others, when in reality, the only reason you are voting the way you do is because of the very same factor.

Biden and Hillary are MILES apart in political views. How you can endorse both makes no sense.

It's high time Edwards and Clinton come out swinging at Obama. No one has really challanged his record, his lack of a clear, explicit agenda, his position on immigration, the environment, the plight of seniors, child care, unemployment, ending the war, restablishing our footing among the leading nations of the world, etc. He's been handled like a porcelain doll, carefully, so as to not chip away any of his thin veneer. This election is too important to give this guy a pass. Let him have it! Start the dialogue. Let us finally see what he's made of! If he can't stand up to legitimate questions by his Democratic opponents, image what will happen if the Republicans get a crack at him!

I still can't understand why so many people claim Obama can't win a general election–as if Hillary can? She has a built-in base of people who won't vote for her under any circumstances, exactly how do you think she's going to do reaching out to independents and moderates? And, of course, do you really think being black is so much more of a turn-off to voters than being a woman? Polling consistently indicates the opposite, in fact.

Hey Hillary,

I thought you considered Barack Naive and unexperienced.

Now you are coming with all these stories that show he actually does have credible experiences in political decisions.

So, now he has experience, but you do not agree with his stance?

Flip Flopping at it best

Yay Hillary! You're a wonder woman and we're with you all the way.

Hillary CLinton is getting desperate.

Bill Clinton lied again last week, not about his love life, but about the war in Iraq. I cannot trust these two.

They'll win the nomination by lying as much as possible, and they'll go down to defeat in what should be a winnable general election for the Democrats.

Republicans are excited about the idea of going against Obama in the general election. They know he can't win the states of Ohio, Iowa, Florida, or Pennsylvania in the electroal college.

270towin

Another Republican White House

President Romney
President Huckabee
President McCain

Sounds good right. I love you Obama dreamers.

Well, strangely, (sure) my post was deleted. I was saying that Obama supporters need to go to this link. If it is true, and they seem to have all the proof right there, then you need to read/listen to this and think.
http://www.obamatruth.org/

I hope Clinton continues to go negative. The more negative she goes, the more she slips in the polls. Keep up the good work Hill.

"Democrats hit each other hard as race tightens"??

This must be the powder puff league..

The supposed "Obama mailer" isn't something that they're mailing out to random voters. It was information requested by a union when they were trying to decide who to endorse. It may be negative information, but it's not something that is being pushed in any way by the campaign.

Since Obama is now the frontrunner in Iowa and tied in New Hampshire, Hillary and others in the media need to give out talking points on Obama.

He has had a free pass from the media for months now. No one is really looking at his record. He will not even talk about his own record from Illinois because I fear it is a VERY LEFT WING record as some discussion took place about qualifications on MSNBC and people will start to take a second look at him if they knew this about him. When he only talks about HOPE and not his record, then he is too good to be true.

America is in the middle not left nor right. If he says he did not keep his State Senate records, then I am glad someone is checking him out to see what he is hiding.

I still do not think he will win the nomination, and this is a good test for Hillary. I do think she felt that she would walk away with the nomination, but she now will need to fight for it against Obama and Edwards who the media wants to win.

Where's Mike Gravel?

Where's Mike Gravel?

The only thing Obama should be apologizing to is for running and wasting our time.

Hillarylover–

Calling Obama-supporters "scared of women" is no better than calling Hillary-supporters racists. It's idiotic.

But, at least agree that Biden would make a good nominee.

I'm glad that there is more speculation about who could be the presidential nominee. It makes things interesting. I never thought that Clinton would be the nominee without question. I would prefer that there be some level of debate among many candidates. It makes the ideas come out; such as Kucinich and his stand against fission (nuclear) power. I now know that I will not vote for him in the primary. Fission power can be sustainable. Gravel sounded like a nice guy until I heard his speak about the Middle East and against Israel. He sounded so missinformed that I won't vote for him in the primary either. That leaves me with 6 candidates to choose from; time to do my research which everyone should do on their own despite the celebrity endorsements.

I'm still not sure why the race for the Dems is tightening.

It's already a forgone conclusion that Hillary will ge the nomination, and most likely Obama will be her VP. So why do we have to go through the next 11 months of all the primary drama.

The rest of the candidates will probably end up with cabinet posts in the next Clinton White House. So why spend all that time and money on primaries that don't mean anything anyway.

Unless Rudy does something to really screw up, he'll get the Repub nomination. If not Rudy, then Mitt will bet it.

I'm just so confused why we have to go through all these primaries when the parties already know who's going to be the nominee. Wouldn't it just be better for the parties to just come out and cut all the 'suspense'.

The primaries have no bearing on the general election. There is nothing in th Constitution calling for primaries. if the parties really cared about the 'will of the people', all the candidates of both sides should be on the ballot in 2008.

Then the PEOPLE would have a REAL choice, instead of what the parties give them. But then when have either party cared about what the PEOPLE cared about?

'Obama’s campaign said that he does not hold those views, and that the survey had been filled out by a staffer, not the senator himself.'

What you mean here is that Obumble can't be bothered to read over what is being put out in his name. That conjures up visions of him saying, "...oh, well, if you think this is the way to go, you go right ahead...I'll trust your judgement...no, no, no...I don't need to read it...you know how I think."

Someone need to see beyond this article. This is CNN. The same CNN that tried to make us think the way they wanted to think. They are helping Hillary put this message here without looking they are actually doing it. Hillary, I have a word for you, this is not working. We have seen who you are and we are about to end this cicle of Clinton Bush Clinton. I mean, we are breaking the glass ceiling.....

He (or she in this case) who slings the most mud, doesn't necessarily WIN.

I am not voting for Hillary. I am not voting for Obama. I'm voting for Edwards.

You can say all you want to about experience, but working as both a lawyer and as a Senator...he knows what he's doing.

Of course we can't count on the Clinton News Network for real news for the Democratic primary. Otherwise it would read "Desperate Clinton swings wildly." In the past week we've been told Obama is too conservative, now too liberal. We've been told he doesn't have the character to be president because of a kindergarten essay. Edwards is very close in Iowa, so now she's slandering him as well. Are we sure Karl Rove isn't actually Hillary Clinton?

A ban on handguns will never happen. However, in light of recent slayings in our nation...we need to take a serious look at mental health services. Availability, cost, ins. coverage, mandatory evaluation criteria (Baker Act), etc....when a "nut" becomes the executioner–he will use IED's, hand guns, shot guns, dynamite...it doesn't matter. The clear thread in all the recent U.S. slayings–serious psychological and adjustment issues were clear–and somehow they all fell through the cracks. In my Florida, state and federal funding for mental health has been reduced more than 40% over the past 8 years. At the same time the number of mentally people, drug addicted people, and conditions causing mental health crisis (divorce, bankruptcy, foreclosure, loss of job) having been climbing at a steady rate. Let Americans keep their guns–but take some action to identify and provide care for people exhibiting mental health crisis.

Hey Hillary, put that pipe down!

It's funny how you can decide to blast Obama on banning hand guns when in the last couple of days we have seen terrible use of hand guns.

Is this a sign of your desperation or of a programmed political mud that you wanted to throw regardless of the current environment? You actually made a good case for Obama by saying this about hand gun. Keep it up, your retirement is around the corner.

Same template. Candidate in lead preaches "issues" and swears off negative campaigning. Then the lead narrows, and we have "issues" with the decision to stick to "issues". Only the blind ignore the reality of the Clinton Attack Machine. It has always been "win at any cost". Hillary's high negatives will go only higher. Anyone but Hillary .... Republican of Democrat .... anyone I pray.

Wouldn't you love to see just one political candidate, on either side, say "I'm not going to that stupid debate. They're for idiots."

But, no, there's no such thing as an individual anymore. Or, obviously, a smart political candidate.

Dunno, looks like Richardson is the only one looking for a job in the Clinton administration. If Hillary picks Edwards or Obama for any post, I will be disappointed. But, I guess thats why I'm not in politics, I would remember every nasty things said about me by the other candidates.

Okay, and we're supposed to believe that one of these people is going to maintain peace in the Middle East?

They can't even deal with each other much less the rest of the world.

Biden is a great man to run for President. We for sure need to support someone who can win the White house. Biden has proved he is capable in of working with both sides of the isle to get something accomplished I believe he will do that as president. He is a canidate people trust unlike Hillary Clinton She only says what she thinks you want to hear which is why she cannot take a stand on what she stands for she is a loss for the democrat's if she becomes the nominee. Republican's have some respectful canidate's they will defeat her if she is the nominee, because she will not get all the democratic voters to vote for her. But the most qualified democrat is Bill Richardson He has a history of accomplishment. I don't agree with all his ideas, but he is one that is a true Leader. Take a good look at him and decide for yourself. No baggage that would hurt him against the republicans. Clinton will take a beating if she is the nominee, and Obama needs to be governor of Illinois and get some experience before running for President. Biden and Richardson a sure win for the Whitehouse. Maybe President and Vice president. They could accomplish great things.

For a veteran hack like Hillary to question _anyone's_ electability is the ultimate in chutzpah.

I fail to see what is so "nasty" about what is being said by any of the candidates. CNN and the media want to create and perpetuate a 'horserace' and a sense of political melodrama. Look carefully at the article. What exactly is supposed to be "nasty" ??

What Obama should apologize is for running and wasting our time. My sister was uncertain who she was going to vote for. That is until Oprah came along. She is now on the winning side. Clinton 08

Its a shame that this is the way we elect a president in this coutry! the media causes all this bashing with hourly poll tallys.Its proven people who ansewer a poll do not always vote in the election. Id rather hear how they are going to fix this country immediately and not listening to them bash well...Clinton, she seems to get the most of the bashing from all the men, I think she may have them running scared. My vote will go to Clinton or Richardson, No way do I support oprahbama! I think he made a big ole mistake, oprah has overshadowed him for sure. She has a better chance of being elected.

OH BOy, The CLINTON KISS OF DEATH has been given, Someone will be wacked before it all over.

Obama 08

As I commented elsewhere, I think the two best candidates are Barack Obama and Joe Biden. I struggled with my decision between the two, but ended up selecting Obama. Ideally I would like Biden's experience combined with Obama's leadership and inspirational ability. The president, however, is not a legislator, but is a leader, and ultimately we need Obama's ability to heal our divisions and inspire the young people who will inherit this great nation from me and my generation. I hope for Obama as president combined with Biden as senate majority leader – an unstoppable combination.

Nevertheless I would like Joe Biden to reclaim what is rightly his – the title of "experienced" from Hillary Clinton, who has falsely claimed to be the most experienced throughout the race.

It continues to be both a source of amusement and amazement that people think Hillary is being "nasty" by simply pointing out the facts; I find barack Obama to be a nice man who...with seasoning...will make a fine President.

However, I'll continue to fight for Hillary for President with barack as her VP for eight years; then, in 2016, I'll feel that Barack has the experience and the gravitas to be President.

Only the pathetic Republican slime machine would characterize an honest debate on the issues between two Democrats as "nasty".

Scientists have never been able to cross a Republican with a pig because there are some things that even a pig refuses to do.

As the democratic voters learn more and more about Hillary, they are learning that she is the not person to lead their party or the country. It's becoming clearer that Obama will be candidate who could unite this country. Once he wins the nomination, the Hillary supporters will rally around him. Hillary evades and divides us. She has more moves than OJ.

Just seperating the chaff from the wheat. Voters need this info as this time it does make a difference if you vote and for whom. Look at the imbecile we ended up with the last 7 years. Need I say more.

So what are the views of Obama on handguns and capital punishment? So a staffer filled out his survey, that's risky to put it mildly...or just as lapse in that area as he is in so many others. Will be interesting to see if he swings yet another way to people please once more. It's that empty suit thing again. It's a nice change though to see he and Edwards in a small ripple. Surely one would not expect too much heavy "thought power" to come from a dispute between these two.

Will someone from the Hilary camp kindly let us know what EXACTLY are her claims to presidential experience based on.

For God's sake she was the wife of an ex-president. She didn't set policy – she didn't represent the USA in foreign policy matters (other than as the wife of the President).

With the little political experience she gained in the Senate she blew it and showed her deep lack of judgement and political maturity by VOTING FOR THE IRAQ WAR.

do these "canditates" even know that the majority of americans tired of listening to bickering several elections ago? It dosen't matter who smoked what in high school, or who thinks they have a better health plan. The american population is tired of listening to these guys bicker. It's time for a president who knows what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck, and what it's like to worry about what 90% do daily!

The whole 1996 questionaire has been totally debunked by the Obama campaign. Go take a read:

http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php

Clinton has not done anything that will offend insurance companies et al.
How many people of color did Bill Clinton pardon?
If she wins, she'll make Bush group seem downright open to the public compared to her controlling style.

Why is it that CNN does not know the difference between "nasty" attacks, and candidates disagreeing about positions on the issues? This is an election, and people have to be able to choose. Candidates must differentiate themselves, and this is not necessarily a "hit."

Hillary's flyer would have had more bite if 75% of the quotes weren't from the same person. She must think "normal" people are idiots! I am glad she did it, but what a hypocrite, wasn't she the one only weeks ago when her numbers were higher saying how terrible it was to "attack" other candidates? now she is in the "fun" part of her campaign disparaging others. What type of a person would think that is fun?

Go Hillary !!

What a misleading headline... This campaign is a classic case of "politics as usual". There's nothing new or unusual about that.

Wow, those are some pretty harsh words 'incomplete' and 'wrong on policy'.. it seems the only 'harshness' is being created by the media players with their sensationalistic headlines.

Global warming has raised winter mean temperatures to the freezing point.

If this ice weather keeps up the Iowa
primary results will be meaningless
if people can't get out.

But I hope for good luck as a sunny week.

For all those Obama supporters, who argue that Obama "plays clean"...watch what your man is doing by attacking Edwards. He is a hypocrite.
Obama is no diffrent politician than Hillary or Edwards or any republican runner. So stop supporting Obama becuase he is a "clean politician" and vote for someone who is right for America.
Vote Hillary.

I can say as a 48 year old white male, that I would have no problem having a woman President of our country in fact I think it may be a good thing for our country, but my God I really thought if it came to a woman running for and being President of our country it would be an incredible woman that America could be proud of and proud to elect as the 1st ever women President, but sorry to say Hillary and the Clinton Machine have a shameful history and a sad record of honesty please read your history on her past before you support her

I resent these unsavory attacks on Hillary's and Bill's credibility and character. They would never stoop to such low means of disposing of any competition. They have peons and underlings to handle that.

Those aren't mailers – they are flyers. Mailers aren't printed in-house and they are usually much slicker.

Flyers are more informal and less targeted.

Are you kidding? You call this "hitting hard"? "Obama's health care plan is incomplete"??? Edwards had votes in congress that were not pro-labor? These are POLICY disagreements, fairly portrayed, and directly relevant to the choice voters have to make. To see ugly, look at the Republicans. Rudy accused Romney of hiring illegal immigrants on his house; Romney made deliberate reference to Giuliani's ties to Kerik, who was indicted. Huckabee belittled Romney as a "tattle-tale". Those attacks are not policy related, they are personal, and, unless the voters are to make their decision entirely on the basis of personality and who they like best, do little to assist voters making a choice between them.

What is sad about her mailing is that 3 of the 4 quotes come from Paul Krugman an Op-Ed guy from the NYT. Sad...and desperate.

It's time to get the gun out so that the Democrats can shoot themselves in the foot or somewhere else.For smart people why do these candidates feel it is necessary to destroy one another rather then tell us why they should be elected only.This election is very winable but dumb things can happen.Never forget Florida 2000.

I take an issue with Obama's campaign statement that "he [Obama] does not hold those views, and that the survey had been filled out by a staffer, not the senator himself." Now, the survey wasn't completed by senator and the statement above is not given by senator. Does he [Obama] really knows what's going on? Or he just has his people do the dirty work so he can blame them later on if something goes wrong? Is he [Obama] not man enough to take responsibility for screw ups?

I pray this guy is NOT our next president. He is too vulnerable, too weak, and too inexperienced.

This only proves that Paul Krugman is an idiot. Go Barack Obama, don't listen to the fools. Dogs bark when elephant moves majestically! Ignore the barks!

And the Clinton campaign implodes in 3...2...1...

How funny, CNN's headline for this ticker: "DEMS take nasty turn...".

I read both the mailers; neither one attacked character or integrity, but rather positions and policy. The headline should have read: "DEMS attack one anothers positions and policys".

The media is really doing a disservice to the process when they try to shape and define the debate. That's unfortunate.

first who cares about Biden. Secondly, this is all about Hillary. It is the way this network want to steer this election....I still like Obama..

It would be nice if evil aspirations were eliminated from the campaigning. It does not matter. God's justice eventually triumphs over all injustices
(including things like the Holocaust and racism....i cant see how but its true we just dont know how yet

Leave it to Hillary to lead in the mudslinging. Will she holler foul when the boys treat her as one of them?

Clinton's mailer is right on and demonstrates just how inexperienced Obama is. He doesn't know a thing about running a country. All of Obama's policies are theories, and not practical. Clinton has lived and seen it all from her days in the White House and in the US Senate. She knows how collaborate with all governmental agencies to create and put plans into action.
Obama may have some ideas with merit. But, his ideas are just shells and theories and are not complete because he is not a realist and would get into the White House and not know how to implement anything.
Give Obama a few years and a cabinet post and then he will know his way around Washington.
Hillary Clinton for President!
She can run this country and save our ailing democracy!

Latest National Poll by ABC/Washington Post:

HILLARY BEATS OBAMA BY 30 POINTS (53 VS 23).

http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1054a1'08%20Election.pdf

I believe this article should read "excerpting a critic.' The mailer cites the same columng three times to make it look like there are a lot of people who dislike Obama's plan.

"When the campain is over, political slogans like experience...will mean absolutely nothing."

It is more accurate to say that Clinton, Obama, Edwards and Biden have no experience – in governing. They are senators; they make laws, but they have no administrative branch experience – none have ever attempted to draft a budget, much less balance one; appoint a judge; negotiate a treaty; in short, none of them have actually governed anything. So none of them have the experience to be president, no matter how long their time in the senate.

Of the democratic candidates, only Bill Richardson has any experience governing – he is the present governor of New Mexico. He also has experience running a government agency at the Cabinet level, and has been an ambassador to the UN. He knows how to: negotiate, use diplomacy, balance a budget, appoint a judge, run a government.

Consider that since John Kennedy, no one had been elected to the presidency as a senator. In fact, the only two democrats elected to the presidency since 1964 have been governors: Carter and Clinton.

We don't need inexperienced senators – we need experienced governors.

Richardson is the only one.

An electable Democrat: Who says Obama isn't one?

Sunday, Dec. 11, 2007

NEW Hampshire Democrats voted for John Kerry in the 2004 primary in large part because they viewed him as the most electable candidate. They've had buyer's remorse ever since.

Now they are making the same calculation about Hillary Clinton. That math might well produce the same answer it did last time.

New Hampshire Democrats tell pollsters that they want a fresh voice. They say they want change. They say they want someone who will do things differently in Washington. They say they want someone who is honest and trustworthy, who agrees with them on the war in Iraq and who inspires them. They say they value change over experience.

And by and large they say Hillary Clinton represents none of these things. Yet they say they prefer her as their party's nominee. Why?

The only explanation is that they view her as more electable than the other candidates.

Polls of New Hampshire Democrats have consistently shown that Barack Obama rates as more honest, more likeable, more trustworthy and more inspiring than Hillary Clinton. The two areas where Clinton ranks higher are experience and electability.

Granted, Obama has only a few short years of experience in elected national office. But then, so does Clinton. Obama actually has more experience in elected office than Clinton does. Her Washington experience consists mostly of being the wife of the President. That counts for something, but does it really count as a qualification for the Oval Office?

If Democrats really valued experience that highly, they'd be looking more seriously at Joe Biden. What they're saying is that they want someone who can beat the Republican nominee.

But there is little reason to believe that Clinton has a better shot at victory next November than Obama does.

Do New Hampshire Democrats really believe Clinton, one of the least liked politicians in America - even among Democrats - is the most electable?

Seems to us that New Hampshire Democrats' hearts are with Obama but their heads are with Clinton - and only because they figure other Americans will choose Clinton so they might as well too. That doesn't strike us as a very good deal for Democrats who are tired of the Washington establishment.

Yes, electability matters. But simply assuming that Clinton is the most electable candidate is assuming a lot. Especially when Republicans are itching for their chance to take her on.

wow, this pull off has shocked many people. I really think Obama has stolen this election. let's sit and see....

I would think either Karl Rove is back or CNN is doing this on behalf of Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama have taken cover over attacks by giving us a website where we can report negative attack. He said from the beggining that is not his. C'mon CNN tell us the truth.....

That wasn't a "mailer" from Obama's campaign CNN. You need to correct your story. It was an internal memo that was sent to a union's office in response to its request for information on Edwards' labor related positions.

All campaigns do opposition research like this and there is nothing dirty or nasty about it.

Sorry, no nasty politics coming out of the Obama campaign.

So Hillary is PRO-GUNS and FOR THE DEATH PENALTY. Good to know.

I don't know about the merits of the attack on Edwards, but I know that the Healthcare attack by Clinton against Obama is pure baloney.

Paul Krugman is the source for three of the four quotes (he happens to write a column for the New York Times, but the ad uses font to make the criticism sound as though it is "by" the Times.)

The CBS quote is out of context since the ad omits that the the so-called "15 million" simply referred to people who "might" not sign up on their own accord– not people who will be left out.

Even Krugman, a strong Hillary booster, admits that Obama's plan is clearly on the progressive "democratic side" of the various plans. He just believes people should be "mandated" to buy insurance even if they choose to opt out.

Fair comment by Krugman, but this kind of misleading use of facts and graphics by the despearate Clinton campaign will backfire.

I also hope the flyer against Edwards is not disseminated widely, true or not, since Iowa voters are looking for an uplifting end to this caucus season - not a bunch of below the belt stuff. I notice there is not a quote from the Obama campaign acknowledging this flyer. It is out of character and makes me wonder if it wasn't from an unauthorized staffer or if is even genuine.

I am a Republican so I doubt I will vote for any of the Democratic nominees (I'm not happy with the Republican choices either), but I find it laughable that Hillary's campaign would say the Obama is unelectable, because he is against the death penalty and would ban handguns. That makes him different from Hillary how? The hypocrisy is incredible.

I hope people out there realize that in Hillary Clinton's mailer attacking Obama's health, she uses only two sources. There are 4 quotes in the mailer and 3 of them are quotes from Paul Krugman of the New York Times all in the same opinion article. Paul Krugman is about as left as you can get. I'm not saying that I completely disagree with what was said in that article, but it seems Barack Obama's plan is the best plan for transitioning into a better health care system. Paul Krugman in that same article talked about how Obama's opponents have not been talking about how to enforce their plan for requiring people to have health care. What fines are they going to impose? How are you going to pay for the enforcement agency?

The last statement in the mailer says that there are estimated 15 million that will not be covered. Again, she is citing an opinion article written by Jonathan Cohn of The New Republic that was reprinted in CBSNews.com on Jun 3, 2007. This is a good article if you can get passed the bias. Pretty much it says that the whole thing comes down to a judgement call. Do you think the nation is ready to dive into a national health care system where coverage is mandated or do we need to ease in? I tend to disagree with Cohn in that I think the nation won't dive in. Consider how divided the nation currently is. This is a fun game on USA Today. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/candidate-match-game.htm If you look at the results of each question, you'll find that people are deeply divided over most issues. The answers that that straddle the divide are rarely selected compared to the extremes. You have to realize that it takes more than one person to change the nation. That's one of the things that I like about Obama; he's not saying stuff right now just to get elected by the Democrats. He's saying what he believes will work. I'm sure he knows that most Democrats like the idea of having mandated universal health care more, but he's being realistic and saying what he thinks will work when he gets into the White House. What you see is what you get. I don't always get that feeling with Hillary. It seems hard to get a straight answer, which has been pointed out a lot by her rivals, so I won't say more than that. The point is that I'd rather have Obama's plan rather than no plan. And, you have to remember that Obama is certainly not saying that this is the end of the road. It's just the beginning.

Looks like the republicans defeated the democrats in the two US Rep elections today...

This bothers me. Most of all, and I say this as a supporter, I wish that Obama's campaign wouldn't engage in attack fliers, especially against Edwards. Those two should be more like allies than enemies.

Nice to see that the Politico has decided to go with the "hit job" news piece that Senator Clinton camapign has been going around asking other news outlets to publish.

This makes me wonder. When push comes to shove why are we voting for Senator Clinton for President. I have heard alot about President Bill Clinton, but I have heard nothing forward-looking from her campaign. Sure she has put forward some proposals but there is no theme, no overarching purpose for her seeking the Presidency other than the fact that she believes this is her time and that she is owed the position.

I can't be the only one, but I am just tired of the rhetoric and sound bites. I am beginning to think the candidates don't have anything of substance to offer. Will one of you give us a concrete plan of something that you are going to do, even if it is a plan to spruce up the Rose Garden ! We have serious economic issues, a healthcare crisis, and being 44, the worst president since I have been alive. Show us some competency, show us knowledge. Gun control and capital punishment are way down on the list of my priorities. How are you going to fix this colossal mess ?

Isn't Clinton running as a Democrat? If so, why would she criticize Obama for opposing the death penalty and being in favor of gun control? And as a Democrat, why would Obama deny holding these positions? These candidates must remember that they are not only campaigning for votes from centrists, but also from those of us Democrats who lean a little to the left.

Good grief.

I wish this defined what a mailer is – those two documents seem very different.

I also wish I had a good, non-partisan comparison of the candidates somewhere on the issues being covered. (Healthcare is the big one right now)

well, that's it then... looks like Edwards is going to take Iowa as long as he stays positive... he doesn't seem like the negative one anymore, does he? Hillary and Obama going at it like cats and dogs and Obama taking shots at Edwards will pave the way for an Edwards victory. Go John Go!

Opinion Research Corporation on December 6-9, 2007. The margin of sampling error for results based on the total sample is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Obama – 52% Giuliani – 45%

Obama – 54% Romney – 41%.

Obama – 48% McCain – 48%

Obama – 55% Huckabee – 40%
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I think that the poll that had Edwards so strong is the first that I have seen that Obama hasn't been the best candidate against Republicans. This is just one example of one of the polls that I talk about, I could not find results for Edwards, unfortunately. It is important to show that almost in most polls that Hillary is in a race against all Republicans except for maybe Huckabee.

Actually, Obama's health insurance plan is outstanding and has bipartisan support (as can be seen from Obama's campaign site issues pages). This is a race between Obama and Edwards, the two candidates that can beat the republicans.

Clinton and her supporters are going to be very disappointed in the election results in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and New Hampshire because Obama has built a campaign of hundreds of thousands of people who are happy to work for no pay. It's just that important.

Yikes. This sounds like it could turn really ugly.

I happened to watch the debate. Clinton sounded almost irate at times. Being an undecided Dem, I'm not so sure she has my vote anymore... she was leading for me, but after tonight's... rants and unprofessionalism, it sounds like she's starting to implode. No more vote for Clinton.

I was actually very impressed with Biden. He consistently gives straight-up answers, and seems to have a real plan, and good ways to go about achieving said plan. Second place comes Obama, due to the fact that despite his inexperience, I still find him to be intelligent, and qualified enough for this position. I also like HIS health care plan (no mandate), and depending on how the first few primaries work out, he could easily muster my vote if Biden drops out.

Curious to know what my fellow Dems think about tonight. Anyone?

What's the old saying about wounded animals being especially dangerous? If she is going down in't going to get really ugly.

In the above photo it is obvious who has the Presidential command of attention, and I will break it down into three parts. (By command of attention I ask you to first look at the above photo and then honestly state who catches your eye first, this is all about body language and presence.)

First leading in the number one position,
No. 1 – 100% Presidential: Obama

No. 2 – 95% Presidential Edwards, would be an excellent DEM VP in 08 with OBama.

No. 3 – 80% Presidential Richardson, but growing ...

Hillary looks as though she would prefer to be behind closed doors doing research, and not trying to sell herself.

A true observation from a woman in the south.

Since when should Obama apologize for being against the death penality and support the ban on handguns? In light of recent events, banning guns might actually help save this country.

OK, gun-lovers, you can go crazy now. Just point them toward yourself.

DEM'S HIT EACH OTHER HARD?? HUMM, I HAVE SOME LEAD PIPES IF THEY WANT THEM!! LMAO

How can you seriously call any of this "nasty" politics?? None of these campaign tactics are anything other than pointing out the other candidates short comings and highlighting your own strengths. Calling someone's healthcare plan "wrong on policy" is exactly the kind of dialogue that we should hope is happening. If these issues are being described salaciously because it makes better headlines, then acknowledge what you're doing is entertainment and not news.

Hah! That mailer quotes the same anti-Obama article with 3 different little "snippet" graphics, trying to create the illusion that so many different experts are against Obama. If this is the best HIllary can do, then I'm not worried at all.

Obama '08

I have to say, this has been one of the most violent, cruel, sadistic and competitive pillow fights I have seen in politics in a long time! Thank God Mayor Daley isn't around to see this!

All the candidates should present their views, their visions, their policy, on all the issuses instead of talking about the other candidates views.
I can read, I can hear, I can make up my own mind about the issues they present.
I think the negative campaigning is uncalled for and I wish ALL AMERICANS WOULD REJECT THAT KIND OF SO CALLED CAMPAIGNING.
I UNDERSTAND THE 527 GROUPS USE IT TO THE EXTREMES AND THAT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL.
ANYONE CONTRIBUTING TO A CAMPAIGN, A GROUP OF ANY KIND THAT IN ANY WAY TRIES TO INFLUENCE THE ELECTION SHOULD HAVE TO HAVE THEIR NAME PRINTED OR LISTED ALONG WITH THE AD.
I DO NOT CARE IF THE SUPREME COURT SAYS MONEY IS SPEECH, THEY ARE NUTTIER THAN A FRUIT CAKE.
I DO NOT CARE IF THEY ARE THE SUPREME COURT, THEY ARE WRONG AND THEY SHOULD GET THE COBWEBS OUT OF THEIR HEADS BEFORE THEY SUBMIT AN OPINION.

Since the MSM with a FEW exceptions missed REPORTING Andrew Young and his incredibly racist and hateful words propping up Bill Clinton and slamming Barack Obama, maybe Hillary and company will make his words into an "ad" supporting her campaign.

Doubt it.

Basically he said that Bill Clinton was blacker than Obama and "had more black women".

I am sure Juanita Broderick found that amusing Mr Ambassador.

You make that a white Republican saying these type of a brutal and off color remarks and the LIBERALS in the media, in elected office and running for President would be SCREAMING for that person to apologize and for the campaign to apologize as well.

Too busy reporting what Bill Clinton SUPPOSEDLY said 40 years ago to report what is really being said today as usual.

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It doesn't matter who endorses these people. It doesn't matter what ad's they have out. Our minds were made up along time ago. We have been waiting for Clinton. We are proud in our decision to support this incredible woman. Clinonista's for Clinton

This is typical Hillary – in the last debate she was critizing opponents for "slinging mud" at her but when she is feeling the heat she doesn't hesitiate to do something that she critized others for doing to her.

I am very glad that I shifted my early support from her – this is one woman is is not supporting HRC.

Hmm, what a shocker. When Hillary's numbers start going down since, you know, the American people are waking up from the Clinton Curse, she starts getting desperate. Why doesn't she just go plant some more questions? Don't listen America, we need change, we need hope, we need Barack Obama.

OBAMA '08!

FINALLY! start calling Obama out on his positions, rather than fawning over his charisma! the emperor has not clothes!!!

We already know Clinton will say and do anything to get elected.. I wonder when her swiftboat ads will start??

It's good we get to read all this,, more I read about Hillary's plans, The better I feel she the right person to run the USA,,, GO HILLARY!!!!!

Bill Richardson is a tax cutting Democrat and has cut more taxes then Republicans Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney combined. Bill Richardson offers a wealth of experience, and is the only candidate with Executive experience. Bill Richardson offers change and has a positive campaign when compared to the top tier candidates.

I think Joe Biden is an excellent candidate. If Hillary wasn't running this is the man I would be supporting. Not Edwards and absolutely no way wet behind the ears Obama. I am a year older than Obama and all he does is bash the baby boomers – well guess what Mr. Obama you also are a baby boomer so are you now bashing yourself. For God sakes you Obama supports (undercover republicans) if you are so afraid of the woman at least vote for a man that is his worth. Biden.

Biden is the Democrats best hope for the Presidency. Biden is the most experienced candidate on foreign affairs and domestic issues and has a actual plan to exit this war. Biden also is the only candidate on the Democratic side that will be strong against illegal immigration. Biden also supported the troops, instead of just talking about supporting them he did more, he champion the Mine Resistant Ambush Vehicles which the Bush Adminstration failed to supply. The other Democratic candidates voted to stop the funding of the war knowing that it would put the M.R.A.P vehicles getting to our soldiers in jeopardy. Biden stood alone and proved he was a man that put his poltical future on the line just so he can made sure the troops were safer while they serve our country. It will take awhile to get our troops out with the withdrawal,don't you want the next President to be someone who will make sure our troops are safe while they withdraw from the War.

jeez...is anyone else just sick of it?? Hilary bashing because she is dropping in polls. She's running scared and I'm just so sick of her rants.

"Obama attacked Edwards with an Iowa mailer"

That's inaccurate. The document was apparently a fax from the Obama campaign to a UAW group in September. Since then it's been circulated among labor groups. The Obama campaign has never mailed it out to voters.