Comments on: Down to the wire in Iowa: Dems in a dead heat http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/ All politics, all the time Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:07:36 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Ajay Jain http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-194135 Ajay Jain Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:44:48 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-194135 Your title says "Down to the wire in Iowa: Dems in a dead heat". Would it not be fair to the leading candidate Hillary to say STATISTICAL dead heat? Just a thought for FAIR and Balanced reporting. People, pollsters, pundits give undue importance to the Iowa caucus. Isn’t it time to break the back of this myth of Iowa’s importance? They haven’t picked a winner since 1976. And Clinton and Kerry won the democratic nominations without winning in Iowa. Enough with the rural pandering. What has happened to Analysis at CNN. Can somebody tell the public that the 2008 primary season / cycle is DIFFERENT from yesteryears! We are talking January 3rd caucusing next to the New Year. Then New Hampshire then South Carolina THEN: SUPER DUPER TUESDAY. Its going to be different this time. Go Hillary44 08! http://hillaryis44.org/ Your title says "Down to the wire in Iowa: Dems in a dead heat". Would it not be fair to the leading candidate Hillary to say STATISTICAL dead heat? Just a thought for FAIR and Balanced reporting.

People, pollsters, pundits give undue importance to the Iowa caucus. Isn’t it time to break the back of this myth of Iowa’s importance? They haven’t picked a winner since 1976. And Clinton and Kerry won the democratic nominations without winning in Iowa. Enough with the rural pandering.

What has happened to Analysis at CNN. Can somebody tell the public that the 2008 primary season / cycle is DIFFERENT from yesteryears! We are talking January 3rd caucusing next to the New Year. Then New Hampshire then South Carolina THEN:

SUPER DUPER TUESDAY. Its going to be different this time.

Go Hillary44 08! http://hillaryis44.org/

]]> By: Mike, Boston, MA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-193113 Mike, Boston, MA Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:02:28 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-193113 Hey Sam in IA, Do whatever you can to get Biden to the next step. He is the only guy I like and unfortunately, since I live in MA, I will not get to vote for him unless he's still in the race. Do whatever you can! He's the only experienced one and the one I feel most comfortable with being the next President. Hey Sam in IA,

Do whatever you can to get Biden to the next step. He is the only guy I like and unfortunately, since I live in MA, I will not get to vote for him unless he's still in the race.

Do whatever you can! He's the only experienced one and the one I feel most comfortable with being the next President.

]]> By: Scott, Knoxville Tennessee http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192809 Scott, Knoxville Tennessee Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:47:14 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192809 I would only disagree with the end of the article which says that Clinton has an edge among liberals. I would vehemently disagree. The moderates within the democratic party are the people who are making less than 50,000 dollars a year and are generally more socially conservative. The liberals in the party, myself included, are college-educated people are are earning above 50,000 dollars. When I read that, it didn't seem to add up correctly. I would only disagree with the end of the
article which says that Clinton has an
edge among liberals. I would vehemently disagree. The moderates within the democratic party are the people who are making less than 50,000 dollars a year and are generally more socially conservative. The liberals in the party, myself included, are college-educated people are are earning
above 50,000 dollars. When I read that, it didn't seem to add up correctly.

]]> By: Beth & Jeff Chicago, IL - HILLARY IN '08 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192787 Beth & Jeff Chicago, IL - HILLARY IN '08 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:41:15 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192787 To Sam in Iowa - thank you for being candid. Too many of the posters here don't understand how the Caucuses work. What we wonder though, is if it isn't time for Iowa to rethink the residency requirements to Caucus? Do that many out-of-state-college students usually show up? Happy Holidays in Iowa from the Rest of the Country :) To Sam in Iowa – thank you for being candid. Too many of the posters here don't understand how the Caucuses work.

What we wonder though, is if it isn't time for Iowa to rethink the residency requirements to Caucus? Do that many out-of-state-college students usually show up?

Happy Holidays in Iowa from the Rest of the Country :)

]]> By: Alice Newman Center Harbor NH http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192667 Alice Newman Center Harbor NH Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:46:48 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192667 Osama Bin Forgotten is somewhere in his cave, laughing at Americans whose only issue is abortion or maybe gay marriage. With health care, unemployment, jobs leaving the country, defense, terrorism, global warming, immigration, energy just to mention a few challenges facing America, some people have nothing better to do than meddle in other people's lives. And do these single issue voters support health care for uninsured children, school lunches programs, no child left behind funding or even adopt one or two extra children? From what I hear, no they don't. They are firmly convinced that they want less spending, fewer taxes and a government that stays out of people's lives. Vote for your choice, but for God's sake, vote on a broader viewpoint. Osama Bin Forgotten is somewhere in his cave, laughing at Americans whose only issue is abortion or maybe gay marriage.

With health care, unemployment, jobs leaving the country, defense, terrorism, global warming, immigration, energy just to mention a few challenges facing America, some people have nothing better to do than meddle in other people's lives.

And do these single issue voters support health care for uninsured children, school lunches programs, no child left behind funding or even adopt one or two extra children?

From what I hear, no they don't. They are firmly convinced that they want less spending, fewer taxes and a government that stays out of people's lives.

Vote for your choice, but for God's sake, vote on a broader viewpoint.

]]> By: Jack Berkeley, CA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192575 Jack Berkeley, CA Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:54:17 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192575 Doesn't appear that Senator Obama is Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's DREAM after all (Wonder if Oprah is going to take him to task now - like she did the author of the book she promoted for her Book Club "A Million Little Pieces" conned her too? Will he still be her ONE?) http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin Among those, Mr. Obama did not vote yes or no on a bill that would allow certain victims of sexual crimes to petition judges to seal court records relating to their cases. He also voted present on a bill to impose stricter standards for evidence a judge is permitted to consider in imposing a criminal sentence. On the sex crime bill, Mr. Obama cast the lone present vote in a 58-to-0 vote. Mr. Obama’s campaign said he believed that the bill violated the First Amendment. The bill passed 112-0-0 in the House and 58-0-1 in the Senate. Mr. Obama was also the sole present vote on a bill that easily passed the Senate that would require teaching respect for others in schools. He also voted present on a measure to prohibit sex-related shops from opening near schools or places of worship. It passed the Senate. In both of those cases, his campaign said, he was trying to avoid mandates on local authorities. It seems the IL Senate records are finally catching up to him :( Is Senator Obama REALLY a champion of womens' rights, an advocate for victim's of sexual crimes, and a protector of children? Doesn't appear that Senator Obama is Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's DREAM after all (Wonder if Oprah is going to take him to task now – like she did the author of the book she promoted for her Book Club "A Million Little Pieces" conned her too? Will he still be her ONE?)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Among those, Mr. Obama did not vote yes or no on a bill that would allow certain victims of sexual crimes to petition judges to seal court records relating to their cases. He also voted present on a bill to impose stricter standards for evidence a judge is permitted to consider in imposing a criminal sentence.

On the sex crime bill, Mr. Obama cast the lone present vote in a 58-to-0 vote.

Mr. Obama’s campaign said he believed that the bill violated the First Amendment. The bill passed 112-0-0 in the House and 58-0-1 in the Senate.

Mr. Obama was also the sole present vote on a bill that easily passed the Senate that would require teaching respect for others in schools. He also voted present on a measure to prohibit sex-related shops from opening near schools or places of worship. It passed the Senate.

In both of those cases, his campaign said, he was trying to avoid mandates on local authorities.

It seems the IL Senate records are finally catching up to him :( Is Senator Obama REALLY a champion of womens' rights, an advocate for victim's of sexual crimes, and a protector of children?

]]> By: Jack Berkeley, CA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192550 Jack Berkeley, CA Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:29:47 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192550 David Yepsen, the Des Moines Register's veteran political columnist posted his toughest entry this year, lecturing Obama for informing out-of-state Iowa college students in a piece of campaign literature that they are eligible to participate in the caucuses, now just over two weeks away. "These are the Iowa caucuses," Yepsen wrote on Nov. 30. "Asking people who are 'not from Iowa' to participate in them changes the nature of the event." Not many out-of-state students will be around on Jan. 3, and even if they are, it is 100 percent legal for them to participate. But the offending Obama flier has since dropped out of circulation. HAVE THE SKELETON'S FINALLY STARTED TO FALL OUT OF SENATOR OBAMA'S CLOSET? Political Hot Topics (Today's top political stories from news organizations across the country) Compiled by Lindsey Pope CNN Washington Bureau New York Times: Obama's Vote in Illinois Was Often Just 'Present' In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate. (Along w/ at least 7 'Present' votes on abortion) The Hill: Lobbyists On Obama's '08 Payroll Three political aides on Sen. Barack Obama's (D-Ill.) payroll were registered lobbyists for dozens of corporations, including Wal-Mart, British Petroleum and Lockheed Martin, while they received payments from his campaign, according to public documents. Can the grass get any greener ;) David Yepsen, the Des Moines Register's veteran political columnist posted his toughest entry this year, lecturing Obama for informing out-of-state Iowa college students in a piece of campaign literature that they are eligible to participate in the caucuses, now just over two weeks away. "These are the Iowa caucuses," Yepsen wrote on Nov. 30. "Asking people who are 'not from Iowa' to participate in them changes the nature of the event."

Not many out-of-state students will be around on Jan. 3, and even if they are, it is 100 percent legal for them to participate. But the offending Obama flier has since dropped out of circulation.

HAVE THE SKELETON'S FINALLY STARTED TO FALL OUT OF SENATOR OBAMA'S CLOSET?

Political Hot Topics
(Today's top political stories from news organizations across the country)
Compiled by Lindsey Pope
CNN Washington Bureau

New York Times: Obama's Vote in Illinois Was Often Just 'Present'
In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate. (Along w/ at least 7 'Present' votes on abortion)

The Hill: Lobbyists On Obama's '08 Payroll
Three political aides on Sen. Barack Obama's (D-Ill.) payroll were registered lobbyists for dozens of corporations, including Wal-Mart, British Petroleum and Lockheed Martin, while they received payments from his campaign, according to public documents.

Can the grass get any greener ;)

]]> By: Anonymous http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192540 Anonymous Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:19:07 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192540 David Yepsen - the Des Moines Register's veteran political columnist posted his toughest entry this year, lecturing Obama for informing out-of-state Iowa college students in a piece of campaign literature that they are eligible to participate in the caucuses, now just over two weeks away."These are the Iowa caucuses," Yepsen wrote on Nov. 30. "Asking people who are 'not from Iowa' to participate in them changes the nature of the event." :( Not many out-of-state students will be around on Jan. 3, and even if they are, it is 100 percent legal for them to participate. But the offending Obama flier has since dropped out of circulation. SEEMS THE GOLDEN BOY'S SKELETONS ARE STARTING TO FALL OUT OF THE CLOSET: per the Political Hot Topics (Today's top political stories from news organizations across the country) Compiled by Lindsey Pope CNN Washington Bureau New York Times: Obama's Vote in Illinois Was Often Just 'Present' In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate. The Hill: Lobbyists On Obama's '08 Payroll Three political aides on Sen. Barack Obama's (D-Ill.) payroll were registered lobbyists for dozens of corporations, including Wal-Mart, British Petroleum and Lockheed Martin, while they received payments from his campaign, according to public documents. While the grass get any greener ;) David Yepsen – the Des Moines Register's veteran political columnist posted his toughest entry this year, lecturing Obama for informing out-of-state Iowa college students in a piece of campaign literature that they are eligible to participate in the caucuses, now just over two weeks away."These are the Iowa caucuses," Yepsen wrote on Nov. 30. "Asking people who are 'not from Iowa' to participate in them changes the nature of the event." :(

Not many out-of-state students will be around on Jan. 3, and even if they are, it is 100 percent legal for them to participate. But the offending Obama flier has since dropped out of circulation.

SEEMS THE GOLDEN BOY'S SKELETONS ARE STARTING TO FALL OUT OF THE CLOSET:
per the Political Hot Topics
(Today's top political stories from news organizations across the country)
Compiled by Lindsey Pope
CNN Washington Bureau

New York Times: Obama's Vote in Illinois Was Often Just 'Present'
In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate.

The Hill: Lobbyists On Obama's '08 Payroll
Three political aides on Sen. Barack Obama's (D-Ill.) payroll were registered lobbyists for dozens of corporations, including Wal-Mart, British Petroleum and Lockheed Martin, while they received payments from his campaign, according to public documents.

While the grass get any greener ;)

]]> By: Frank, San Diego http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192528 Frank, San Diego Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:09:33 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192528 The really interesting result is that Edwards is the leading "second choice" at 26% (to 22 and 21), outside the margin of error. Given the complicated rules that Iowa uses in its caucuses (forcing people to move to their second choice candidates in multiple rounds of voting) don't be surprised to see Edwards do better than expected. The really interesting result is that Edwards is the leading "second choice" at 26% (to 22 and 21), outside the margin of error.

Given the complicated rules that Iowa uses in its caucuses (forcing people to move to their second choice candidates in multiple rounds of voting) don't be surprised to see Edwards do better than expected.

]]> By: Anon Manchester, NH http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192516 Anon Manchester, NH Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:55:41 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192516 NEWS FLASH: This just in from NH's Union Leader - On the Democratic side, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton :) again leads Sen. Barack Obama, 38 to 26 percent, after being in a dead heat last week. Former vice presidential candidate John Edwards is third with 14 percent and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson fourth at 8 percent. Riding the bounce from his appearance with Oprah Winfrey last week drawing over 8,000 people, Obama pulled statistically even with Clinton. Of the likely Democratic voters, 65 percent say they have not definitely decided on a candidate. Of those who have, 54 percent of Clinton's supporters say they have definitely decided to vote for the former First Lady, while 23 percent of Obama's supporters say they definitely will vote for the Illinois Senator. Obama is more popular among Democratic leaning independent voters, but just barely, with a 33 to 31 percent edge over Clinton with 17 percent favoring Edwards. NEWS FLASH: This just in from NH's Union Leader – On the Democratic side, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton :) again leads Sen. Barack Obama, 38 to 26 percent, after being in a dead heat last week. Former vice presidential candidate John Edwards is third with 14 percent and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson fourth at 8 percent.

Riding the bounce from his appearance with Oprah Winfrey last week drawing over 8,000 people, Obama pulled statistically even with Clinton.

Of the likely Democratic voters, 65 percent say they have not definitely decided on a candidate. Of those who have, 54 percent of Clinton's supporters say they have definitely decided to vote for the former First Lady, while 23 percent of Obama's supporters say they definitely will vote for the Illinois Senator.

Obama is more popular among Democratic leaning independent voters, but just barely, with a 33 to 31 percent edge over Clinton with 17 percent favoring Edwards.

]]> By: Theresa, Sound Beach NY http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192468 Theresa, Sound Beach NY Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:29:05 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192468 These polls are a disgrace. based on 400 likely Republican voters is not a good sample to say someone is leading or not. And why don't ya post the actually questions that were asked as well so we can see how these people were manipulted? ie Frank Luntz. Thought CNN had a more global view. sad. These polls are a disgrace. based on 400 likely Republican voters is not a good sample to say someone is leading or not. And why don't ya post the actually questions that were asked as well so we can see how these people were manipulted? ie Frank Luntz. Thought CNN had a more global view. sad.

]]> By: Sam IA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192445 Sam IA Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:35:41 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/down-to-the-wire-in-iowa-dems-in-a-dead-heat/#comment-192445 A little primer on Iowa caucus reality versus the crap you read from the poll. I will be caucusing for Biden and he will probably not have enough supporters to get a delegate to the county convention so i will go to the quorum of the candidate who will give one of us a seat at the county convention taking as many of Biden's supporters as I can with me. This is true politics and democracy folks. You meet with the people you see every day and you discuss issues and choose who you will support. It is based on reality and not some hate advertisment you watched before heading to the polling station and therefore it is nearly impossible to get a reading on true candidate support. PS. My home phone is turned off for a month before the caucuses. A little primer on Iowa caucus reality versus the crap you read from the poll. I will be caucusing for Biden and he will probably not have enough supporters to get a delegate to the county convention so i will go to the quorum of the candidate who will give one of us a seat at the county convention taking as many of Biden's supporters as I can with me.
This is true politics and democracy folks. You meet with the people you see every day and you discuss issues and choose who you will support. It is based on reality and not some hate advertisment you watched before heading to the polling station and therefore it is nearly impossible to get a reading on true candidate support. PS. My home phone is turned off for a month before the caucuses.

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