(CNN) – A holiday card that falsely claims to be from "the Romney family" and highlights Mitt Romney's Mormon faith was anonymously sent to Republican mailboxes across South Carolina earlier this week.
The source of the card is unknown.
View entire card [PDF]
The mailer, which says it is "Paid for by the Boston Massachusetts Temple," displays a quote from Mormon apostle Orson Pratt saying that God had multiple wives:
"We have now clearly shown that God the father had a plurality of wives, one or more being eternity by whom he begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus, his first born, and another being upon the earth by whom he begat the tabernacle of Jesus, as his only begotten in this world," the quote reads.
A copy of the glossy brochure obtained by CNN offers holiday wishes from "the Romney family": "We wish you and your family a happy holiday season and a joyful New Year," it says.
The card focuses on the Republican presidential candidate's home state of Massachusetts, displaying a photo of the Mormon Temple in Boston as well as a snowy photo of the Public Garden in Boston.
The mailing also quotes from the first Book of Nephi, part of the book of Mormon, in which the Virgin Mary is described as "exceedingly fair and white."
Romney spokesman Will Holley condemned the card.
"It is sad and unfortunate that this kind of deception and trickery has been employed," Holley said. "There is absolutely no place for it in American politics."
– CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby
Are you saying that God could not have talked to the people who formed the Nicene Creed?? Your statement that "the true nature of God was lost" couldn't have been based on the New Testament of the Bible because it abounds with not only Jesus' own words supporting His Deity but also that of the Apostles. Anyone confused about the Deity of Jesus Christ, this link (REFERENCING THE BIBLE) will clearly explain it...
And Kelly... can you define 'we' in "We accept only what the Bible teaches.." because apparently there are over one hundred divisions in Mormonism and all of their scriptures such as the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants, and even their official "Mormon Doctrine" statements contradict each other on MAJOR doctrinal points.
So far I haven't notice Mormons accepting very much of what the Bible teaches at all... but you accept ALL the writings of Joseph Smith who "claims" to be a prophet... just because God can speak to man today doesn't mean he spoke to Joseph Smith... of all the Mormons here defending this 'religion'... have any gone thru an actual Temple ceremony and sworn oaths about secrets and rites? If you haven't then you don't know all there is to know about Mormonism and if you have and are still a Mormon you are in DENIAL and are either knowingly or unknowingly a follower of satan.
To Kay–pardon me of my unedited script. :)
"Otherwise–let's have peace." :)
Jessie, West Virginia,
Not sure what you are referring to...if it is to my 'editing' my posts, yes.. I am not taking these debates lightly, there is a lot at stake here... the more I read about Joseph Smith's 'religion' the more motivated I am to speak out and I just want to get my points across the best that I can.
I want peace also and I can certainly understand the anger and frustration of Mormons who feel like they and their religion are constantly getting 'attacked ' but I've noticed the tendancy to lump every anti-mormon into the catagory of hate and bigotry and you should know that there are MANY Christians who believe that these teachings that you are following are detrimental to your eternal soul and THAT is their motivation .... no Mormon here is implying that the reverse is true... that our souls will be lost for not following Joseph Smith's teachings.... so we have legitimate, sincere reasons for speaking out against Mormonism but I am not quite understanding the 'true' motivation behind the many requests by Mormons for me to talk to their missionarys. And also why what ever the missionarys would say could not be posted here??? Why do I have to talk to someone in person??
I have to honestly say that I am very suspicious of motive.... but I am not saying that I am necessarily suspicious of the believers but I AM DEFINITELY suspicious of the teachings of Joseph Smith and the Mormon religion's aggresive ' recruiting ' tactics that scream CULT at every turn.
Briefly, in response. I am not saying that God "could not' have spoken to those who invented the Nicean creed, only that He didn't , for it is not Biblical.
Certainly Christ is divine. He is the very Jehovah of the Old Testament, is the Creator of all things, is the God of Abraham, Jacob, Daniel, John, Paul, and of Moroni, Mormon, Joseph Smith and the Latter-Day Saints. (I didn't read your reference) for I know that Christ is divine, as the Bible, the Book of Mormon and the LDS church teaches.
When I said, "only the Bible", it was in reference to the creeds, which we do not accept. Again the creeds are the interpretation of the scriptures and they were wrong on some things.
"We" – I speak of we as members of the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints". There are not 100s of Mormon divisions. There are some apostate groups it is true. There are no contradictions within the scripures of the Chruch of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (which includes the Holy Bible).
Mormons accept all of the Bible as being the Word of God. Your interpretation of some verses is apparently dfferent than ours (as noted in Rev 22:18-19 for example).
I have been to the temple and the sacred things that happen there are open to you or anyone who is willing to accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, willing to be baptized by someone who has been called of God and given the authority to do that baptism, and willing to make covenants to follow Jesus Christ with all your heart, mind and strength, for that is the requirements of going to the temple.
I am sorry that you feel that I and Latter-day Saints are followers of Satin, for that is what Satin wants you to believe. I know Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, as my Lord and my King. I know God the Eternal Father as my Father and have felt His love and spirit in my life many times and have felt His spirt witness to me the things I read in the Bible and Book of Mormon are true. I love Christ and worship Him, the very Christ of the Holy Bible, the same Bible you read. God lives and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is His church. He loves you, and he loves all people on the earth. He will open the door to all who honestly seek him. We as members of the church reach out to any one who will listen with an open and honest heart. We deny none and believe that before the judgement day, all who every have lived upon the earth will get a chance to hear of, understand and accept Jesus Christ as their savior, as we have done. May the Lord bless you, I pray.
Unfortunatly there are many who have ears which will not hear and have eyes and will not see.
I quickly read the first reference.
It says the following:
It must first be admitted that Jesus never defines His place in the Trinity in theological language.
We agree with this and virtually everything written in the articl in regads to the description of Christ's divinity(which I am sure comes as a surprise to you). We do not agree with the final statement defining the Trinity, that Christ and the Father are of one substance. We do believe that Christ was begotton of the Father in spirit before the world was created, and that He was the creator of the world under the direction of the Father. He (Jehovah, Christ, The Lord, the I Am,) then came to the earh, was born of the Virgin Mary as the only Begotten Son of God int he flesh and died for us, atoning for our sins in His death. He was resurrected and lives today.
Is Christ the Son of God as the Bible teaches? If so, then how? (We believe that he is, both in the spirit before the beginning (as in the creed) and in the flesh in the meridian of time (as in the Bible).)
Right on Kelly. Maybe they will post this one.
You say that God did not speak to those who formed the Nicene Creed because it is not Biblical…that's according to the Mormon interpretation of the Bible. The traditional mainstream Christian belief is that the Bible CLEARLY states Christ's Deity ( which I see that you acknowledge ) AND the Bible also clearly states that there is only ONE God which Mormons do not acknowledge. Mormons believe that Jesus and God are two separate gods right? There is ONE God and that is Biblical fact…
43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
James 2:19 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
( just wondering…in your response, every time you mention god, how am I supposed to know which god you are talking about?? How do Mormons know which god is being spoken of in the Bible??)
The Mormon doctrine that all will become gods equal with God is NOT Biblical.
The Mormon doctrine that God is of flesh and bones as tangible as man's – Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22… is NOT Biblical….
John 4:24 Jesus said: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
The Mormon doctrine that Jesus and satan were spirit brothers is NOT Biblical.
The Mormon doctrine that we can become rulers of our own planet is NOT Biblical.
The Mormon doctrine that God was once an imperfect man who worked his way to godhood and was then given his own planet to rule ( by WHO?? ) is NOT Biblical.
I could go on and on.
Not only are these doctrines not Biblical but they are non-reverential and BLASPHEMOUS.
Kelly, I am sorry that you and all of the other followers of Joseph Smith are being deceived by this man. THAT is what satan wants. Another Mormon poster stated that Mormons don't like to think about satan, they would rather focus on Christ, well I can agree with that, I would rather think about Christ also but the reality is that satan is in this world and his goal is to deceive and lie and take souls. What better way to do it that to trick / deceive people into believing they are worshiping the correct God when they really aren't. Satan is at work and you shouldn't ignore it or you may be the one that is deceived.
It is so clear to me that Mormons are the ones that have so much to lose if they are wrong… you are the ones who lack wholehearted reverence for Him….
So I'll ask again…WHY is it unfortunate that " many have ears which will not hear and eyes and will not see"? We are following the same Bible that you ( Mormons ) claim to be following… are we, mainstream Christians, not going to be saved because we want to give ALL the credit to God for our salvation? or because we want to worship God as the One and only instead of becoming gods equal with Him? Or for not wanting to believe that Jesus and lucifer were brothers, once equal or that God was once an imperfect man like us? Or for not believing that man will have multiple wives and therefore multiple sex relations in heaven? Or for not believing in a man that boasts that he has accomplished more that Jesus?
Basically for giving TOO MUCH reverence to God???
And I noticed that you didn't have much to say about the Mormon temple ceremony link that I posted. I'm not surprised because it states right in the beginning of the article that most Mormons who do go thru a temple ceremony don't want to think about about it afterwards, that they try to put it out of their minds. You say that the temple and the 'sacred' things that happen there are 'open' to anyone…BUT only once you have been baptized into the Mormon 'religion' "for that is the requirement"… mainstream Christianity has no such requirements to join in worshiping God. Nothing should stand in the way of someone who wants to be closer to God and worship Him. That's why the curtain in the temple was torn at the moment that Jesus died on the cross.
Matthew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Kay: It is you who are being deceived. Every church on this earth today, with the exception of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints, is a sect that branched off from another. Years ago a very learned member of the Roman Catholic Church once said, QUOTE "You Mormons are all ignoramuses. You don't even know the strength of your own position. It is so strong that there is only one other tenable in the whole Christian world, and that is the postition of the Catholic Church. The issue is between Catholicism and Mormonism. If we are right, you are wrong ; if you are right, we are wrong and that's all there is to it. The Protestants haven't a leg to stand on. For, if we are wrong, they are wrong with us, since they were a part of us and went out from us; while if we are right, they are apostates whom we cut off long ago. If we have the apostolic succession from St. Peter, as we claim, there is no need of Joseph Smith and Mormonism; but if we have not that succession, then such a man as Joseph Smith was necessary, and Mormonism's attitude is the only consistent one. It is either the perpetuation of the gospel from ancient times, or the restoration of the gospel in latter days." UNQUOTE I'm sorry but I can't think of the name of this man right now.
LDS members know exactly who we worship and that is Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father. The same that was born to the virgin Mary in Bethlehem. We are good living people who believe in loving, serving and growing towards perfection. We do not drink, smoke, do drugs, curse and swear, cheat, lie and so on. We believe in living the laws of the land, paying an honest tithing, serving our fellowmen, we live the law of chastity, we love our families and believe that they can be eternal and live our lives in a way that will make that happen, we have a welfare system second to none, we are one of the first peoples on the scene of any disaster willing to sacrifice what we have been blessed with to those who are in need. No we are not perfect. We are human and we do make mistakes. But we are not a deceived people. Have you ever asked yourself what Joseph Smith ever gained from telling about his vision in the grove? Certainly not peace or wealth. Also I would like to address your comments about the temple. You state that we want to forget what has taken place in the temple when we leave there. Where do you get such incorrect information? Being a part of the temple is one of the most beautiful experiences I have ever had. It is the same every time that I attend. I pray that you will stop listening to whoever is telling you so much garbage about the church and wonder why they are doing it. Our souls are not in peril with the way we live our lives even if when we get to heaven we find out that we are not the right church on the earth.( And I have no doubts that that will NOT be the case.) I will pray for you.
I just don't get it... I have asked before and have not received any answers yet... I'll ask again.. what is it that makes people believe Joseph Smith's claims??? Would any Mormon even dare to question if he is a true prophet?? Are you not ALLOWED to question? How can you ignore the things that go on in the temple ceremonies and oaths that you must take that Jesus FORBIDS doing...
Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne...
5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
You CANNOT separate these temple practices from the Mormon religion – they come from the same man. Why would you continue to follow this religion with all the anti Christian things blatanly in plain sight? The satanic symbols on the churches and the temple undergarments, the lack of any Christian symbols on any temples – NO CROSSES????? Let me ask you... who else does not like this symbol??? – What would it take for a Mormon believer to finally realize the truth?? What more do you need??? How many more 'explanations' are you willing to accept for all of these questionable things?? And I wonder how many more 'adjustments' or corrections to Joseph Smith's doctrines will be made so that this 'religion' is more acceptable. Isn't your salvation and your relationship with God the most important thing?...what else could be more important that would keep you from the TRUTH?
Kay : Talk about brainwashed. You talk about things that don't even make any sense. I know that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God because I studied the teachings and doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and then I exercised my freedom of choice and with a sincere and humble heart I knelt in prayer and in the name of Jesus Christ I asked to know if the things that I studied are true and by the power of the Holy Ghost I received that Joseph Smith is indeed the prophet of the restoration and that the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ has indeed been restored to the earth in its fulness. What a glorious blessing! I am very interested in how you know anything about the symbols you speak of in the garments of the church. How you get that there is anything satanic about them. Please explain the satanic symbols on any of our church meeting houses or temples. That is absolutely crazy. As for the ability to question things in the church we are encouraged to question and to seek and find for ourselves the answers to our questions. I can tell you that there probably isn`t a question that you or anyone else could have that the answer cannot be given to you from a member of the church. I appears to me that you really aren`t interested in learning the truth of the church, only in maligning it with outright untruths. Once again I will pray for you.
To all so called Christians bashing other religions:
Just going through the dictionary and as a community service wanted to add a passage from Websters dictionary:
Big-ot A person of strong conviction of prejudice especially in matters of religion, race or politics, who is in-tolerant of those who differ with him.
Big-ot-ed Being or characteristic of a bigot.
May this year be one filled with peace and tolerance.
to all the people who claim to want peace but quickly label others bigots if they disagree with someone else's beliefs and voice their opinions accordingly...
I haven't PRE judged... I have done research on the internet, and have asked questions and put things out here on this site hoping to get answers, confirmations or explanations, which I am still waiting for. And I have listened to responses with an open mind. I am also not intolerant of Mormon believers just because I don't agree with their beliefs. Calling me a bigot makes you ignorant ( def. destitute of knowledge or education ).
I have a right to ask questions, gather information ( my way ) and then form an opinion about the Mormon religion ( especially because my next president could be a Mormon ) and that doesn't make me a bigot...
I really don't get how I am 'bashing' another's religion just because I am asking questions and expressing opposing views...
I would like to respond to a couple of your questions. I hope to do so in a non-contentious way for contention is of the devil. I see that there is an in pass on things. Obviously what you and I believe is from God and what is from the devil are different things and certainly one thing is true, we can not both be correct. There are different interpretations of the Bible, yours, ours, and others. The Bible says that no passage of the scripture is of private interpretation, but is to be interpreted by revelation as it was given. Again we believe in revelation from God today, and that God called Joseph Smith and subsequently other prophets and that it is His word that comes through them. I assume that you would agree that prophets are Biblical.
As far as your question about ONE God, you are correct. This was directed at people who lived in a time when there was a plurality of gods. The Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans had many gods. You have heard some of their names, Zeus, Saturn, Venous, Mars etc. Some worshiped the earth and stars and the sun and moon, or animals, cattle, birds etc. God taught that there was one God, mighty and above all. That God was our father. Yet it is interesting that in Genesis when man was made, the scripture says, “Let US go down and make man in OUR image”. It is certain that we recognize our Heavenly Father as God and when we talk of God we most often refer to Him. It is certain that Jesus Christ is also God, even Jehovah born as a man. It is clear that when He was baptized and at the mount of transfiguration the Father proclaimed Him to be His Son, in whom He was well pleased. It is clear that Christ prayed to the Father many times, prayed in the garden that not His will, but that of the Father would be done. He cried out on the cross that His Father’s presence seemed to be gone, “Why hast thou forsaken me?” Yet these two are one.
Now how are they one? The doctrine of the trinity says “one essence”. This is something that admittedly no human can really understand, a mystery. Christ made it rather clear in his great intercessory prayer in John 17. Read this. He prayed in fact for us, you and I who believe, that we would be ONE with Him, even as He was one with the father, that we would receive the Glory that He had with the Father before the earth was created (In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God and was God.) Now if we become ONE even As they are one, will we be part of the trinity? Obviously not. A husband and wife are to be one. We in the church are to be one. One implies unity, not of the same essence. The only way those in 325 in Nicaea could explain the difficulty scriptures of one God and the duel nature of the Father and Son was by the doctrine of the trinity, but they missed the mark. Again, this is our interpretation of the scriptures, but it is as valid as yours as an interpretation, and only one is right. I respect your choice to believe as you believe and ask you to respect ours. You may not believe it, but you can’t say we do not believe in the Bible.
When we talk of “God”, it really doesn’t matter if it is the Father or the Son in most cases, because of this unity. They are one in purpose, in power, in mercy, in love etc. Yet they are separate in roles and as personages. When we say God loves us, it could be either. It is both etc.
As far as becoming Gods, our enemies talk a lot more about this that we do. We do believe what the Bible says as I noted in John 17 where it says that we will be given the glory which Christ has. The Bible also says we will be “joint heirs’ with Christ. It says in 1 John that when He appears, we will be ‘like him’. That is enough to support our view. God is our Father and thus desires us to be like Him as a father desires a son to grow up to be a man like himself.
The Bible does say that God is a spirit. It also says He is love, and that He is light. When you die, your spirit will continue to live while your body rots. What are you, body or spirit? Which is the real you? Yes, God is spirit, but so are men and women, and that doesn’t mean we do not have bodies. One of the great truths of the restoration is that the Father and Son are separate and distinct personages with glorified and perfected bodies. You will be resurrected and guess what, you will still be a spirit, but with an immortal body.
These doctrines are true revelations of God’s word and by your interpretation blasphemous. Christ was accused of blasphemy more than any other accusation, but it wasn’t so.
We do focus on Christ, but we also recognize the reality of Satin and his deceptions. My goodness they are real and all around the earth.
I am sorry that you do not recognize our reverence for Christ and for our Heavenly Father. Again, that lack of recognition does not mean we do not reverence them. I know with all my heart and being that Christ lives. I hear the testimonies our people all the time to the same fact. I hear our teaching of Him and our proclaiming our faith and His name as ours. I know that He is my redeemer, my savior, my lord and all I do is for Him. I love and respect and reverence Him and bow at His power and majesty. I know that someday I will see him and feel his loving embrace. I know that I will bow and with my tears wet his Holy feet and because of His mercy and love I will dwell eternally with Him, and with My Heavenly Father. By His gift I have life eternal. He lives, He lives, all glory to His name. He lives, He lives, my Savior still the same.
I am sorry you feel how you do. Your salvation is between God and you. We (Mormons) do not say that you will not be saved for any reason you mention. We allow you to believe and worship how and what you may. All will sometime know all truth and have the chance to accept or reject it. I will leave that at that.
Your comments about the temple are off base. Since you have not gone, you do not know. I did not look at your link. There are some who are disturbed by the temple. I don’t think you would ever understand in your current state of mind. Is the priesthood Biblical? The temple has to do with priesthood. The priesthood and temple blessings are open to the members of the church, hence the tearing of the early temple veil. Hebrews says that no man taketh this honor unto himself, except he is called as was Aaron. Aaron was called and washed, anointed with oil and clothed with the robes of the priesthood (see Exodus). That is the basis of the temple work. Most members go back on a regular basis as a part of their worship, but one can worship in their own home, in their closet, in their church and in the wilderness and does not have to worship only in the temple.
You say there are no “requirements” in the Bible beyond belief. Again I think you are not reading the entire Bible. Christ told Nicodemus that a man must be born of the water and the spirit to enter into the Kingdom of God. There are many other references to the necessity of baptism. Christ taught that a man’s heart and actions are needed and not just belief, over and over. It is so clear in the New Testament. Other Christian chrurches recognize it as a requirement.
This is 1/10th of what I could write and I could give you verse by verse, but there is not room. Again, we know and love Jesus Christ as our Savior and recognize that he talked again to a young boy prophet in New York and that which was revealed to this boy, Joseph Smith was the word of God designed to bring us to Jesus Christ. May you feel the reverence we have for God. I am so glad that you love God and Christ and reverence them. This is good. Would that all the peoples of the earth did the same, and then the wars and hate and bigotry would end. Kelly
One last short answer to your last question about believing that Joseph Smith was a true prophet, and why. We are not only allowed but encouraged to study, to question and then to ask God if this is true or if any principle is true. I and most Mormons have done that and God has told us spirit to spirit that it is true, and so the answer is simple.
God told Joseph Smith that his name would be known for good and for ill throughout the world. His name would be spoken of for good and for evil. (Pretty big claim for a 14 yr old boy in rural NY in 1820). I know his name for good, you speak of it as evil. It is about that simple. Many didn't believe Noah or Peter or Paul or even Christ, but many did.
If I have offended any for any of my remarks I apologize. I really wish only to help people understand what Mormons believe. I feel that if people really knew, our doors would be so filled with the honest in heart that we would not have space to put everyone. I consider all who accept Jesus as their savior and do not fight against Him or against those who accept him, as a brother or sister.
Anyone who knows anything about the Mormon Church knows the Mormon Church refuses to back any candidate, anywhere in the entire world. The members are reminded of this by letter from the First Presidency read from the pulpit at the beginning of every political season. It is available to the world on their website. This has been policy for more than 100 years (obviously before the internet).
Whoever is guilty of this mail fraud here is assuming SC voters are both ignorant and bigoted. The SC voters should be greatly offended as they are victims of the bigotry as well.
Thank you for your post / explanations, I have a response to your comments, I will send it soon.
What about Joseph Smith's false prophesies? ... I had asked this question earlier and still haven't gotten any response to this. The Bible says that even one false prophecy condemns the 'prophet'. I am sure you will have an answer for this and every other question that I can come up with – that is clear... I'm sure that you and other Mormons had wanted answers to these questions yourselves... and it is also apparent that based on our ( original, mainstream Christians vs Joseph Smith and Mormon Christians ) different interpretations of the Bible that 'answers' will always be found. So I believe ( and I see that you do also ) that the ultimate answer comes from what you feel in your heart. And that is tricky because it's obviously not the same as reading it in black and white on paper. Outside influences can lead you in one direction or another without you even realizing it. Mormons here have said that God has told them the truth thru His spirit in prayer... I know I can't really question that – it is your personal experience but I can say that you should be completely alert to any outside influences that might be present. God gave us minds with the capability to think logically and sensibly (and along with that ofcourse He gave us our free will). I think this is a good point to include the following words by an ex Mormon..."Mormonism is a cult because it HUMANIZES God, DEIFIES man and minimizes sin" and also minimizes the sacrifice of our Lord's death on the cross as not being the way of our COMPLETE salvation....what does your heart TRULY tell you about this?