(CNN) - Democrat Joe Biden suggested Tuesday that presidential rival Hillary Clinton doesn't adequately understand recent events in Pakistan.
The Delaware senator was responding to news that Clinton suggested in two recent interviews that Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf is up for reelection this month.
Musharraf was actually reelected in October, and the upcoming Pakistani elections are parliamentary, not presidential.
"We have a number of candidates who are well-intentioned but don't understand Pakistan," Biden said at a campaign event Tuesday. "One of the leading candidates - God love her."
"There are good people running," continued the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, who has made his foreign policy credentials a centerpiece of his long shot presidential bid. "But to say Musharraf is up for election! Musharraf was elected - fairly or unfairly - president six months ago. It's about a parliamentary election!"
Clinton's comments came in an interview with ABC Sunday, in which she said, "[Musharraf] could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election."
The New York senator also made similar comments during an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer last week, saying then, ""If President Musharraf wishes to stand for election, then he should abide by the same rules that every other candidate will have to follow."
Both gaffes were first noted by conservative Thomas Houlahan, writing for the Middle East Times.
The Clinton campaign has not yet returned a request for comment on Biden's comments, but said yesterday the New York Democrat was referring to Musharraf's party, not himself in particular.
Republican Mike Huckabee took heat last week for also getting key facts about Pakistan wrong in the aftermath of Benazir Bhutto's death. He first suggested the country remained under martial law (it was lifted a few weeks ago) and later said that Pakistan shares its eastern border with Afghanistan (it shares its western border.)
– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
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With so many posts I see on these sites where people don't know the difference between Iran and Iraq, I highly doubt this will make a difference in the votes. It only shows that Americans will vote for whoever can be as naive as they are. Keep bombing Iraq, that'll teach them for 911.
Get her Biden! According to Bill Clinton, Hillary is a "world-class" genius and Hillary doesn't understand that the upcoming Pakistani election is about parliament and not the presidency. I could see one slip but a continued slip up is strong signal of inadequate knowledge.
I wonder if Hillary's campaign will negatively respond to Biden's assessment of Hillary's so-called foreign relations experience so close to the Iowa caucauses. Biden's comments are pretty damaging to Hillary's credibility on international issues.
OBAMA in '08!
pffttt.
Hillary 08!
Well , good for Senator Biden (and surprise- – he usually is wrong about everything). It is for certain that Wolf Blitzer of CNN is not going to question anything any of the Clintons will say – after all it is the Clinton News Network!
I wonder why the media has refused to comment on this gaffe,When it was Mike Huckebee it was in the news and every TV in the country.I am thinking maybe CNN take side when it comes to scrutiny of candidates.I have always respected CNN and felt they were very fair as compare to media bias from FOX news.I will bide my time and see as more events unfold
Obviously with the intensity of campaigning, Senator Clinton did not keep up with the facts on the ground. This brings up the question – should sitting Senators or Representatives be required to resign their seats in order to run? It's a good question and one that should be discussed.
Is this the foreign affairs "experience" Hillary keeps yapping about?
There goes Biden's chance to be Hillary's running mate.
Good Grief! God himself probably couldn't keep all the details straight from all these dangerous little countries that are full of all kinds of unrest. But Hillary has as good a grasp on the general situation of them all as anyone. And I am quite sure that if she were president, she would be gathering input on the situation before acting, from all sorts of advisors and experts on that particular area. Let's not "go nuts" over this. She wouldn't "go off half-cocked". So it happened this time to be something Biden knew and Hillary wasn't aware of. We all know Biden, even tho he has good foreign policy credentials, doesn't have a snowballs chance in H***, so let's not mess up Hillary's run for the presidency. We need her, and she will be more capable of handling "everything" better than any of the others. I am sure, with the mess we are in, that no one would be capable of knowing it all, all by themselves. And PLEASE, don't any of you Obama nuts start in about how all knowing, all seeing he is. He has not been anything but words so far, in his limited service.
WE NEED HILLARY!
Why not cite the gaffe Huckabee made Joe instead of throwing your fellow democrat under the bus? Every 4 years you run for nomination, you always lose. Nope, you'll lose again this time Joe. You have the habit of putting your foot in your mouth.
Is anyone surprised at this?
Hillary makes herself out to be an expert in foreign relations. She even exploited the assassination of Benazir Bhutto by touting her acquaintance as if the two of them where long-time collaborators. Now the truth is shown that she is not just naive, but utterly ignorant.
How many more lying liberals will all of you believe?
Biden is a dolt. Nobody cares what he says or does...except the media. As for Hillary, the media loves her because she's so controversial and unelectable.
Doh!!!! So much for her "Foreign Policy" experience.
Musharaf is on the ballot, perhaps not in a literal sense but in a power struggle re: the parlimentary elections. He can gain a lot of power, or lose power depending upon how the opposition party does in the lection. Joe Biden is desperate and constantly boasts of his superior knowledge of foreign affairs. Hillary will soon comment and make her point, i'm sure.
In addition the gaffe Hillary had made is not a big deal. We have a presidential system, while Pakistan has Parliamentary system. I thought Musharraf is running for re-election too.
Thank you for citing it Joe, you've just educated me.
What? She can't be wrong! She has eight years of experience as "co-President."
Is anybody still buying that line of nonsense?
Time to turn the page–Obama 2008!
And we really haven't heard much of this in the mainstream media. If it was any other canidate, they'd be all over them immediately to the point of killing their, Hillary says it and nothing happens–brilliant.
"I have 35 years experience ......... " .
Yeah, OK. I've been alive that long too, and then some.
Why is anyone surprised? Clinton is unfit to be president.
Good for him.
Hillary knows absolutely nothing, beyond talking points, about foreign affairs.
She flunked the bar exam in DC, and it shows.
Why aren't more peole catching on the Joe Biden is by far the most experienced and qualified candidate out there? No one has more foreign affairs experience. He has been warning us about Pakistan for months. He is what our country needs right now to restore our reputation and credibility in the world. It is pathetic that the front runner, Clinton, doesn't know what the upcoming elections in Pakistan are for. If she was referring to Musharraf's party, then she should have said as much. I don't believe that for a minute. That is just the best spin here campaign could put on her big gaffe to cover up her lack of foreign affairs experience. It's a little scary that Clinton claims to have the most experience out of the top tier candidates.
Biden/Edwards 08!
Please, Please Iowa help keep another Hill/Billy out of the White House.
He is right.......I think his idea of going into Pakistan if Musharraf does not act if we have actionable intelligence on Al Qaeda's whereabouts squares nicely with Obama's views.
Also, I think it would be politically convenient if he told his supporters to have Obama as a second choice only for Iowa caucuses, because if Hillary wins Iowa the nomination is over, however if Obama wins Iowa things are still up in the air because he does not have 25-30 pt leads in other critical states down the road like Hillary does.
I am not a campaign operative, nor a supporter of any of the democratic frontrunners, however I believe due to their foreign policy positions and the effects of a Clinton victory in Iowa (thus reinforcing her inevitability argument) Biden should tell his supporters to caucus for Obama if he does not get the needed 15% to move on to the next round.
THIS is why we need a smart person with foreign relations experience as our President- not some insider whose experience is limited to having tea with other First Ladies.
Biden has proven over and over again that he is the only one (I'll give you Dodd, too) that really understands what's going on outside this country. And poll after poll has shown Americans care more about kissing babies, praying to invisible people in the sky, and 'a guy/gal you can drink a beer with.'
Americans will get the candidate we deserve. Shame on us.
Guess she forgot to ask the "first husband" what to say
what a puppet this scoundrel is...
Exactly! Why is the media letting the "experienced" candidate off the hook. She doesn't really have experience. Joe Biden does. BIDEN 2008!
I figured Clinton's team could'nt get the script to her in time.
Oh, but she has so much foreign policy experience.
Once again people, you have been lied to by the Hillary machine.
Just what we need, another clueless leader unwilling to admit mistakes..
CNN being what they are, I am actually surprised they ran this story– making Clinton look bad just a day before the caucuses. It is, after all, Clinon News Network.
Pakistan shares its Nothern border with Afghanistan
But she is Ready to Lead from Day one. Thanks Sen Biden for calling the cookie baker out.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF Democrats were SMART..........Biden and Dodd would be the two Leading Contenders for the Democratic Nomination. These men are the Most Experienced, Knowledgeable and Respected men in the race to The White House. Further, IF Democrats were SMART, they would realize that NO ON THE JOB TRAINING would be necessary. QUITE OBVIOUSLY, Hillary doesn't know what is going on in the Global Power Arena. Obama knows Less, and Edwards apparently doesn't concern himself. IF Democrats want one of these unqualified contenders in our White House, then Democrats can expect to lose once again to a Republican Presidential Nominee............HURRAY FOR THE GOP!
Hillary Clinton likes to boast that she has a lot of foreign policy experience but her experience was having tea with the first lady of the country her husband, the President, was visiting, while her husband was meeting with the leader of that country. Hillary Clinton never sat in on meetings her husband had with foreign leaders, nor did she ever meet with officials from the State Department, nor was she ever involved in making policy about our relations with other countries. Her lie about having substantial foreign policy experience is just one of the many lies she hopes will fool the voters. Hopefully, the voters in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina are not that stupid that they will believe Hillary's lies.
OOPS.
This is a scarey situation!!! In no way am I saying I know the politics of Pakistan, but to have those who want to lead our country not know is really a bit frightful! As important as Pakistan is to the US, and as important as the candidates are making it, you would at least think they would have some basic facts about the politics and up-coming elections. How sad! Biden knows foreign politics. I feel with the state of our foreign relations, Biden is the only one who truly understands our situation and knows how to address the leaders. Our standing in the global society is sorely lacking, we need someone in there who knows the history and dynamics so that the same mistakes are not made over and over again.
Pakistan is not a country that has soverignity over its own political systems.
At any given time either US or UK or Saudi Arabia, or Dubai dictates how Pakistan leadership conducts political affairs in Pakistan.
So even though Joe may consider Sen. Clinton's comments as gaffe, our dear President Pervez Musharraf may well take her comments as commandment, that he has to abide by.
Today President Prevez Musharraf is asking Scotland Yard to investigate Butto's death, just so that everybody is convinced that he is not behind the assasination as predicted by the deceased. The implication is FBI or CIA or NIB cannot be relied upon at this moment by Pakistan leadership as these agencies have been closely linked to President Bush's gaffe in Iraq invasion.
Clinton's comments came in an interview with ABC Sunday, in which she said, "[Musharraf] could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election."
She mentioned him TWICE BY NAME , no party mentioned, BY NAME, she was VERY particular TWICE.
When her campaign advisors fed her these lines, it is obvious that they don't understand how Pakistan works either.
Foreign policy while sipping teas and having cookies is not real foreign policy.
Time to wake up Clintonista's and explain away for Hillarity, come on, the rest of us are awake.
When you falsely fabricate resume' that you don't have; definitely, your lies will cut-off with you. Hillary does not have any sense of foreign policy–she depends on ethnic sentiment of the gang of neocons in Washington who thinks this country belongs to them. She is vitally fraud, and the civil society will strongly reject the pandering and strangulating strategy of CNN and their cohorts this time. This is America's moment–not the media and corporate mafias' moment.
Clinton's comments came in an interview with ABC Sunday, in which she said, "Musharraf could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election."
She mentioned him TWICE BY NAME , no party mentioned, BY NAME, she was VERY particular TWICE in two seperate interviews.
When her campaign advisors fed her these lines, it is obvious that they don't understand how Pakistan works either.
Foreign policy while sipping teas and having cookies is not real foreign policy.
Time to wake up Clintonista's and explain away for Hillarity, come on, the rest of us are awake.
This, of course, begs the question: Does Hillary Clinton really have the foreign policy experience she has been touting?
Here's a site that elaborates on this story and includes a video of one of her slips:
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/01/01/waityou-mean-hillary-isnt-the-smartest-woman-in-the-world.php
Biden is one of the most qualified canidates we have on the democratic party. I wish him well. Hillary is by far the worst. Her and Bill are just power hungry. Its time to send them back to Arkansas, or New York or who ever will take them. I have not decided who I am supporting as a canidate But Biden, and Richardson are the two most qualified canidate's we democrats have. And Edwards would make a great president. He may not be as qualified as Biden and Richardson but he could have beat Bush if Kerry had not been the presidential canidate on the ticket. Hillary and Obama will be a sure loss to the Republicans in 2008. They are the most controversial canidate amongst our own party. They cannot unite our own party enough to win. To many democrat's love or hate Hillary & Obama to the point they will not vote if the other wins. Republicans as a whole support the top 5 canidates of their party and will unite to support who ever the republican nominee is. Democrats do not have that. A vote for Hillary or obama is a loss to the republicans. Edwards stands the best chance of winning then he could pull Biden or Richardson as a Vice Pres. be a sure win for democrat's in 08.
Theres no real problem with the fact that most of these candidates dont know what they are talking about when it comes to Pakistan. That just emphasizes the fact that the next American president needs to get make sure America gets out of Iraq ASAP, and leave the rest of the world alone.
Why mess with the world when you dont know anything about it?
No WMD's
No knowledge on Pakistan
No real "intelligence" on anything that can be relied on
Its a clear message that the candidates are givining on their own, they just need to stop and listen to what is coming out of their own mouths because they dont seem to be doing that.
Hey, Mooney........Why didn't you LEAD with a Harsh Criticism of your girl, Sillary? IF this had been such a gaff by any other contender, you would have jumped on it and aimed for the jugular. You are SO LIBERAL BIASED!
By the way..........collectively, Democrats just don't cut it intellectually; if they did, the Democrats would be backing the Best Man, who is Biden, for the Nomination. Instead, the Democrats only clamour for a member of the "Political Road Show"......a Three-Ring Circus for the 3-Star Clowns of the Media! Readers are on to YOU, Mooney!
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It’s already been a long hard campaign, and people make mistakes, but the problem for HRC is that she puts herself forward as the experienced candidate with foreign relations prowess – ‘ready on day one’. Pakistan should be focussing the minds of those who may lead our country in the near future, and she seems to have a basic misunderstanding of the situation there, stated not once, but twice.
What makes this worse is that she has been consistently confusing this basic point. This isn't the simple slip-up that could happen to anyone on any given issue, this is consistently providing wrong accounts on the same one. Add this to the list of reasons why Clinton is better suited to carpet bag any other political position.
So, Huckabee gets excoriated for his "ignorant" comments on Pakistan, which is fair enough, but remember that he has never pretended to be a foreign affairs specialist. Hillary reveals a depth of ignorance that is equally abysmal if not more so in the circumstances - and she is making foreign affairs expertise a centrepiece of her argument about why she is "ready to lead from day 1"
Can I now assume that CNN will be calling B.S. on Hillary's so-called qualifications, at least as much as you piled on Huckabee?
I'm not holding my breath waiting for it!
Gee does it make Biden any more electable to say HE knows more than anybody else about Pakistan. Well we would like for things to be stable there, but I would like to know what a person is going to do to help THIS COUNTRY....And Hillary Clinton seems to be able to do that pretty well.
If Biden and the other candidates want to govern Pakistan, didn't he say they want to elect people soon, go for it.
Yea, right....Clinton was referring to Musharraf's party just like her husband didn't think a BJ was sex. When your wrong, you should be man enough to admit it....er I really meant woman enough.
Dang, where'd she put all that Foreign policy experience she has!? I guess she left that in Bill's other pants...
This no suprise that most american leaders are dommies, drug users and so on
E.g George walker Bush.
Funny thing is Obama knows even less about international politics and events. It will be a scary 4 years with either canidate if elected.
How come the person who was interviewing Clinton did not correct her? Does not it show news media are also not aware of Pakistani election?
Joe, it's spelled RETIRE!
There you have it...... Hilary Clinton with all respect should return to her lovely home wherever she resides and become Mrs Hilary Clinton to her husband
Bill. Its a very sad and dangerous thing to speak about foreign policies and make
numerous mistakes especially during these turbulent times.....Im sure that in the future if we pay attention to her speeches and many interviews we will surely be
shocked at what she knows and doesnt know.... Experience is the best teacher in
all facets of life so being a wife to her husband would be the best position for her.
And apparently they think the rest of us are gullible...
Mooney – "The Clinton campaign has not yet returned a request for comment on Biden's comments, but said yesterday the New York Democrat was referring to Musharraf's party, not himself in particular."
HRC – "[Musharraf] could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election." & "If President Musharraf wishes to stand for election, then he should abide by the same rules that every other candidate will have to follow."
Does "person" & "every other candidate" (which is singular by nature) sound like a whole party to anyone else??? The writers for these guys must be on strike too!
Hillary/Bill made a mistake? On foreign affairs? Can it be true? On the Clinton News Network? And Wolf didn't hammer her for it? Go figure. Here is the most "experienced" candidate, who we are supposed to be in awe of for her prowess in foreign affairs not even aware that her knowledge on this crucial point is lacking. The horror. The horror!!
Ian: The thing about Obama, though, is that he knows he's not that experienced with international politics and he'd surround himself with people who are (I would be shocked if he didn't pick Biden to be his running mate), whereas Hillary's posturing and statements make me believe she'll pick someone as inexperienced as she is because she thinks she's got the know how.
wow, that's scary. here I am a lowly customer service rep and I knew more about the Pakistani election than Hillary. you just lost my vote lady.
Obama was right about the situation in Pakistan months ago and was initially criticized for stating what now is accepted as reality - the current government in Pakistan is unwilling or/and unable to act effectively against terrorists within their country. Bhutto would have asked the US for help but that is no longer a possibility.
GObama 08!!
Looks like Hillary will be spending most of Day One getting On-the-Job Training. How can you argue you're experienced after something like this. What happens when you pick up the phone to talk with Musharraf and think he's up for re-election? Looks like her experience card has some holes in it.
What I find more interesting than what is percieved to be a gaffe is the fact that neither commentator caught or exposed what was said. Could this be because it was "understood" she was speaking of the party instead of the man? I'm sure either of the interviewers would have loved to have the spotlight on this story if there is a spotlight to be had. I think HRC is correct. Not that Mr. Biden is incorrect but this upcoming election is ALL about Musharraf'. The people of Pakistan right now seem to think so as well. How difficult it must be for writers to actually do some work in finding substantial information to report on instead of spin.
Well, now it is up on Drudge. Chris Mattews will destroy HRC over this tonight.
Demonstrating once again that Sen. Biden is clearly the rational, experienced choice.
People accuse him of "running for Secretary of State." Obviously he's not, he's running for President. But answer this: would you vote for someone for President who is NOT qualified to be Secretary of State?
I mean, I'm just some joe schmoe out in Iowa somewhere, and I knew it was a parliamentary election in Pakistan. How did Sen. Clinton NOT know this? Being married to a president for eight years does not qualify you to be one.
Iowa! New Hampshire! Wake up! Support the grown-up in the race. Vote for Joe Biden.
Biden for Secretary of State!
It is a real tragedy that we are not going to elect the "best man' as our next president...Joe Biden know more than all the other candidates(democrats 7 republicans combined...He is the most qualified and the most knowledgable
candidate but...he has not had the publicity as the other runners so...people do not know him at well...This is a disgrace to our political system and the usa...Really a shame we will never get to see all the good Joe Biden could do for this country and it would be alot..I have followed Joe for several years and he is the only candidate who actually knows what he is talking about..and believe me..he knows what he is talking about...we will miss the chance to have a great president by by not electing Joe...
All the way behind you Joe...but will not be enough to elect him..everyone should go to joebiden>com and see for yourself what his credentials are and that he really is the "best candidate"
Joe Biden's comments on John Edwards:
"John Edwards passed 4 bills while he was in the US Senate. And they all had to do with the Post Office."
In other words, according to Joe, Johnny did nothing in the sentence.
Thanks Joe for pointung out these comments. This is probably one of the most productive thing you have said in this entire election slug feast. It will not help youe cause because once the electrict gets past your political job they clearly see that you have never had any realworld experience in your career. From school to politics you missed the real world along the way. Keep shooting even if they are blanks.................................. I LuvHillary (Because she is from the party of" DaFeet" and will give me so much free stuff!!!!)
Why doesn't Hillary every answer any of these questions? You always hear "statements" from the campaign. So much for her great intelligence! She hasn't a clue. Ready to lead on day one, please.
The only things she's running on are her celebrity status and myriad giveaway programs that those unwilling to do for themselves embrace.
Hopefully voters will be wise enough to see through this joke of a candidacy.
I don't like any of 'em, but certainly this points out (yet again, ad nauseum) the bias of the big papers (NYT, LAT, WaPo, etc)–if this had been said by Bush, or an R candidate, they'd have it on page A1 in war-sized type (and really, as they should–this is a MAJOR gaffe). "Experienced" Hillary, nary a peep I'll bet.
Most Americans don't even know where Pakistan is.
One again it shows that Hillary was at the bottom of her class at Yale, she never even graduated with honors, let alone Magna Cum Laude like the other candidates.
She did well at her all girls school, but when it came to Ivy league graduate school, she couldn't compete.
NO MORE 'C' STUDENTS FROM YALE!!! Elect someone who was at the top of their class, not the person who married the guy at the top of the class.
I'm Crushed ..... C.R.U.S.H.E.D. I tell you. The Smartest women in the world has let her mask slip off in public and we all just learned that she may be the Dumbest of the whole bunch.
Raman, yes, I saw the article on Scotland Yard being asked to help with the Bhutto investigation but don't think they will spill the beans that the ISI was behind it (and that the ISI is funded by the CIA and in turn both agencies created al-Queda).
Go Hillary !
00OOOOPPPPSSSssss!! My Bad
I thought it was just me
Plus the obvious lie by the clinton campaign again!!! why not just say ooops she made a mistake i think people would have respected that more then spinning the mistake.
HRC is such a joke.
Biden you go
if Obama was not in the race i would vote for you
but
Obama/Biden 08 – cant be stopped
SENATOR CLINTON STILL CAN'T TELL THE TRUTH.
HOW CAN SHE SUGGEST SHE WAS REFERRING TO "MUSHARRAF'S PARTY" WHEN SHE SAID "HE COULD BE THE ONLY PERSON ON THE BALLOT" !??
already a lame duck before the election
The scam artists are in full sway out of ARKANSAS !!
Atta' boy Joe. It's a shame the media doesn't give this the attention it deserves.
This was not a slip of the tongue. She was very specific and it's obvious she believed that the election in question was for president and not the parliment. That should be a BIG red flag for someone who has 'so much experience' in these matters. The fact that she can't respond to a simple, 'oops, my mistake' even three days later is not surprising at all. The "say anything" candidate will certainly come up with some explanation of what she meant. Silly American public.
Biden and Dodd are the only candidates with the type of experience that Clinton claims to have. She is making it the centerpeice of her campaign so it's fair game. If you are voting on experience qualifications then Sen's Biden or Dodd are your only choices.
Oh come on, people. How many of you know the ins and outs of Pakistani politics?
I am not a fan of Hillary by any means, but there are plenty of legitimate concerns to hit her on. This is silly. I consider myself fairly well-versed in national and international news and politics, but I'm sure I make such "gaffes" from time to time, and I'm not running a full-time 20-hour-a-day presidential campaign. Maybe she misspoke, maybe she didn't know. So what? No president has to know everything that's going on in the world–they all have a huge team around them of specialists in each area. Bush has that and still can't get things right half the time.
Come down off your high horses, please.
Remarkable that either the Democrats or Republicans are chewing each other up over such things...but a good sign that they are holding each other accountable...considering that, after five years of war in Irag and Afghanistan, Bush couldn't point out either one on a world map.
Barack Obama has always been accurate with the greatest foresight on foreign policy discussion. Look up his 2002 Discussion of Iraq on YouTube or the 2004 discussion he had on YouTube.
All of which highlight the quagmire we currently face with the conflicts along Sunni, Shia Muslims including the Kurds.
He not only has policy to exit Iraq correctly while still having tactical strike advantages in the region through Kuwait, but also has policy on Iran, for Pakistan etc.
If people want to learn and investigate and have the same knowledgeable perspective on things, then listen to Barack as he is the most educated of all the candidates. The best student Harvard Law has ever had.
Joe Biden "gets it" in a big way. He has the experience, wisdom and tenacity to lead our country and is head and shoulders above the rest of the pack. We will regret it if he is not nominated as the Democratic candidate for POTUS. Biden '08!
Everyone wants to jump down Hillary's throat for this "misstep" but if anyone was following the situation in Pakistan as I have even Benazir Bhutto herself seemed to suggest that Musharraf was running in this upcoming election. She repeatedly referred to him by name over and over in this election cycle–not his party. Also if anyone else has been paying attention Mrs Bhutto's husband is actually quoting Hillary Clinton and urging the government to follow her idea of allowing an international investigation into her assasination. If memory serves me no one was quoting Biden.
The people who post here were never supporters of Hillary so they are eager to point out every single media driven misstep by Hillary Clinton. They want the story of the front-runner falling to a newcomer. Drives the ratings. When Obama makes mistakes like saying he will bomb inside the SOVEREIGN nation of Pakistan–the very country that is going through so much political turmoil now, he is given a pass by the media and his supporters. Doing that would be a DISASTER. Could you imagine what kind of turmoil would be going on inside Pakistan if this would have happened? A muslim nation with nuclear capability?
What I urge is people in their incessant thirst for change not make a disastrous decision by voting for someone because they appeal to you emotionally. We all jumped on Bush supporters for doing the same thing. We were wondering what color glasses they were wearing when they RE-ELECTED him. Please don't make this mistake again America. Hillary may not be perfect, but she is our last great hope for taking back the White House.
One last thing. Remember after the elections, you won't see any of these candidates again unless it's on TV. They won't know you you won't know them. It will be business as usual no matter WHO gets elected.
HILLARY 2008 and Beyond!
Beats 1999 when G.W. was asked who the leader of Pakistan and other countries were.
Remember?
Hiller asked Bush to name the leaders of Chechnya, Taiwan, India and Pakistan. Bush was only able to give a partial response to the query on the leader of Taiwan, referring to Taiwanese President Lee Teng-hui simply as "Lee." He could not name the others.
"Can you name the general who is in charge of Pakistan?" Hiller asked, inquiring about Gen. Pervaiz Musharraf, who seized control of the country October 12.
"Wait, wait, is this 50 questions?" asked Bush.
Hiller replied: "No, it's four questions of four leaders in four hot spots."
Pretty sad that one of the so-called second tier candidates had to point out that all the experience – (witnessed – as pointed out by another so-called second tier candidate, Senator Dodd, thank you very much) – Queen Hillary is touting does not, indeed, make her any more qualified to "hit the ground running on day one" than any of the other candidates.
And why isn't the oh-so-informed media picking up on these rather than just reporting them after they've been cited by other candidates? Maybe because they are all busy consulting their most reliable source, Dana Perino, White House Spokesmodel!
Goodness... is this an example Hillary's foreign policy "EXPERIENCE?" If so, we would be far better off eliminating the exerience and going for the change.
Typical Clinton bantor....Lot's of talk with little substance. Way to go Hillary!!
The realy sad part is – unlike Huck at least she knows where Pakistan is and what Countries it borders. I don't like her – she doesn't even know what goes on in her own bedroom room, yet along this Country. None of the candidates are really any good. I just hope Huck doesn't win...that man is a threat to this Country.
And this surprises you???
Hillary is a sham. The media continues to promote her, but everyone knows it.
I love comments like those from Suma John. Always good to hear from such intelligent people!
Yeah right, Hillary. I'm sure you were referring to th President's party, and not himself in particular. What a stretch of the truth! Spin away support staff.
So much for the Hillary "experience".
But let us not forget the so called "pundits" Georgie and Wolfie didn't pick up on the mistake either when they interviewed her and it reflects in the shallowness of their knowledge.
Watching Hillary pontificate, with such an air of arrogance, about the political turmoil in Pakistan was disturbing in so many ways. Hillary was completely wrong across the board about the Pakistan candidates, elections and policies. Will the MSM report this or just continue to cower in fear to Hillary's intimidations.
After reading some of these posts, I am starting to feel better about this country. So many of you are not fooled by the bill/hill vaudville act! Good for you. If she is the dem nominee – I vote for McCain. WE NEED JOE BIDEN!!!!!! Biden 2008!
I am a Republican, but I believe that Sen. Biden is the best qualified to be President from the Democratic Party.
If she's nominated, the Republicans will clean our clocks. What a fool...always has been.
It is an insult to all of us for them to think we are so lacking in intellegence, that they can say she was not referring to him but to his party, and for then to assume we would believe it.
Just imagine how they would look down on the people in this country if they were elected.
All you Clinton Haters...why don't you grow up and start using your brains. Your petty nit-picking is the core of whats wrong with American poloitics. NOBODY is perfect and whoever YOU are voting for isn't either...and they WILL slip up occasionally as humans do. Hillary knows whats best for America and not maintaining an A+ grade in Pakistani History while fighting the battle of her life can be easily forgiven. When she messes upon AMERICAN history and events, then she should go home. In the meanwhile, she is by FAR still the best person for the job of President.
I listened with great interest to a Joe Biden TV appearance New Years night. I thought his remarks concerning Pakistan were right on. Now today on CSpan there has been a panel of experts on Pakistani politics who nearly word for word recounted Bidens remarks. I am praying (if thats still ok in the USA) that the democrats will see the need for Joe Biden as our next president. I am registered republican but I will for the first time in my 72 years on this planet vote Democrat if Biden is the nominee.
This is just another example of male gender bias. I dont care if she doesnt know where Pakistan is. We need a woman in the White House to offset the male garbage that has infiltrated the Democratic Party culture. Lesbians that are not impeded by male influence will change this country. Hillary will lead us and get the Democratic party back on track. Forget the Bidens and Obamas- they are jusy biased males that try to make us look bad.
Everybody gave W grief for not knowing the name of the Pakistan's President. (The General!)
But Hill gets a pass for not knowing that Mush rigged his own relection months ago!
Bias? Ofcourse Not!!!
Hillary also said that there needed to be an independent investigation with which Obama disagreed. When Pakistan said they would handle the investigation, Obama said this showed he was right. I do not recall Biden disagreeing with Obama.
Now Pakistan has agreed to Scotland Yard conducting an investigation. Based on this, Hillary was RIGHT and Obama and Biden were WRONG. Hillary's mistake was minor in comparison to Obama's "President of Canada" statement and other gaffs.
Biden does has an exceptional knowledge of world affairs but that does not mean that he would be a good diplomat or able to improve relations with other nations. Biden's criticism of Hillary supports Obama who Biden had agreed earlier that his international experience was that of a child in Indonesia.
It looks like Biden prefers an inexperienced Obama to a far more experienced woman and perhaps this explains his low standing in the polls.
Wow. OOOPS is right. Though my clear choice is Edwards, seeing Hillary so noticeably screwing this one up is very distressing. Especially coming from the "experienced" candidate.
Impressive that CNN is running this, since it seems they've been giving her a pass for so long.
Haha! She has lost her self confidence
What's the big deal about the leader of the country not having a few minor facts straight? Look at Bush : he didn't know Musharraf's name, and look at how awesome Pakistan turned out in the past 8 years.
What we need is another president who doesn't quite have everything down pat, has to rely heavily on advisors for direction, and has the political skills to blame it on other parties.
Or, we could just nominate and elect Biden, who has the skills, experience, and character to improve the sorry state of things.
It is sad indeed for the Dem to have the top 3 canidates so weak. Biden and Dodd are clearly the best suited to step in and lead us at this time in our history, but they are getting scraps in the polls.
I am a Reb, an not at all happy about my options, but worse comes to worse and a Dem is elected, I just wish it was one the smart ones.
Joe Biden's comment is very important. He specifically points out that Hilary has not done her homework on Pakistan. This is such a critical area in foreign policy -an area that she as a Senator working on Armed Forces committee should be well informed. Certainly, her campaign researchers (people versed in political science) should know how the government works in Pakistan. In any event, they should have been checking the news more carefully in the aftermath of the death of Mrs. Bhutto. If one looks back at her comments, that she knew Mrs. Bhutto-that is not as important as knowing how elections take place in that country. Her experience is bogus and her friend, Joe Biden is pointing that out.
WAIT WAIT WAIT. Hillary has to win the primary. How else will conservatives win the general election.
If Joe Biden was the Dem nominee – I would vote for him.....and I am a Republican......I've been impressed with him for years.....
Thank you Joe for pointing out how "experienced" Hillary really is.
Don't mention that Pakistan got nuclear capabilites during the Clinton admin.
But what a great point! Already elected!
Not to offend anyone here, but when does an American, let it be from an upper class or lower class has an understanding of world affairs? Please, she is not alone and sure most of you could not point where Pakistan/Iraq/Saudi Arabia is on the map!
I am a Brit, it amazes me how many people in this country do not know why we are a United Kingdom and think that England is the U.K.!
Bush is a gaffe to humanity along with all the neocons in Washington. America will suffer greatly if this sort of politics are allowed to endure. How many of you read foreign newspapers or news on the net? Wakeup people, you are being denied the truth!
HILLARY IS ALL ABOUT POWER. HUCK IS SCARY; DID YOU SEE HIS BUBBA SONS ESPECIALLY THE DOG KILLER? POOR LITTLE OBAMA AIN'T GOT SENSE ENOUGH TO REALIZE THE DAMAGE HE WOULD CAUSE TO US. THE BRECK BOY NEEDS TO GET A JOB CHASING AMBULANCES SOON. CAN YOU IMAGINE LISTENING TO BIDEN FOR 4 YEARS. TOO BAD RICHARDSON CAN'T FORGE AHEAD ALTHOUGH HE IS A LIBERAL.
MCCAIN NEEDS MENTAL HELP; SEE DR. DEAN. GOD HELP US.
Another 'oops' coming from the 'genius of the world' according to billy bob. Remeber the whopper told by her regarding her dangerous mission to bosnia? Caliming to be in a dangerous mission with a corkscrew landing? It just so happen, that her daughter, sheryl crow, and sinbad where with her, and no such thing happened. One servicemember on that mission told a different story, no danger involved at all.
As Geffen said once: all politicians lie, but the clintons do it with so much ease, it's troubling!
God, that woman can lie! WHY can't she just say she goofed instead of lie, lie, lie...the woman is stupid and doesn't know her politics! This is bad especially since Pakistan has been dominating the news lately. Even my 11 yr. old grandson knows what's happening over there.
This goes to mrs. clinton's lack of experience, and knowledge. She would be an 'understudy' president, just as you don't get the real thing when you see a play and the lead actor is off for the night and the understudy fills in. She is like riding on a flat tire that has been patched! She is used merchandise, never new and fresh, just old news, soooooo yesterday! Snap out of it America!
The news media are little more than pretty faces and they don't know any more than a teleprompter tells them. They pronounce words improperly, couldn't find most of the places they discuss on a map and well – garbage in, garbage out. Of course these geniuses didn't catch Hillary's mistakes, or indeed those of anyone they interview. Their little minds are already going on to the next vacuous question and they don't even listen to the answer of the question they just asked. Mindless voters of course continue to vote for the candidate with the least wrinkles and most perfect hair and are even less educated than the media personalities they adore. I say we need to go back to the Constiutional beginnings when to vote you had to own property, which at least presumed you had a semblance of an education and probably were at least literate. This sorry state of affairs didn't start yesterday and it's not likely to get better anytime soon with the excellent educations being provided by our government school systems. We've had many exchange students, who although they come here as 16 year olds, already have the education of USA college sophomore. They were ranked #1 in their honors governement classes, even though they were brand new in our school. When asked to fill in a blank map of the country and name all the states and capitals, or a map of the world and all the countries, etc, they were the only ones to get them all right! They also knew all of our goverment functions and systems, our key leaders, our foreign policy, etc. Is this a sad situation or what?
The interviewer shouldn't have to correct her, first off, because shes running for president in a country where we pride ourselves on international relations. And I'm pretty sure that was a quote by Joe, so it has nothing to do with him spelling 'retire' correctly...its obviously the aurthor of the article. I agree with Ian on this comment, completely. I am a moderate and am scared to see either HRC or Obama elected for reasons just like this. I hope all democrats are ready for atleast four more years of someone thats an elephant, not a donkey, because John Edwards is 'the next best' and he has the IQ of a bagel.
And Suma John, just stay out of it, you obviously can't spell or correctly represent our presidents full name when you try to use it; you're immmediately void. Plus I'm sure you're nation's leader is a real winner, too.
So she doesnt know what is going on in Pakistan...... that explains why she voted to invade Iraq and now claims she didn't, she probably made a mistake on that too! She probably confused with "invade Iraq" with "order lunch" and thought it was a grand idea. Same with Iran and everything else she did and then flips flops on.
Wow, just what we need for President..... someone speaking about issues they are ignorant about, leads to great decisions (just see George Bush).
Obama may not have these years of so called "experience" but he is bright enough to take advice from others and research a topic before voting on an issue. Clinton on the other hand while either just dive in and then take a poll to see if she needs to make excuses for her actions.
As Joe Biden once said, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself."
I really hope people begin to see Hilary for what she really is and thats just an excellent politician. She can dodge and move through tough questions better than anyone in the field. But, that doesnt mean she should be President. Its truly a shame someone like Biden isnt taken seriously as a top-tier candidate. He has the most experience out of any of them. Biden/Dodd Biden/Obama or hell even Gore/Biden wouldve worked for me. Instead, we have Hilary, sigh.
Experience counts. On the subject of Pakistan both Clinton and Huckabee demonstrated the are not ready for leading America. Voters should carefully reflect on which candidate is best prepared to be president of the United States. We live in a dangerous world where only knowledgeable, stable persons should occupy the White House. Neither Clinton, Huckabee, or Obama have the experience or capacity to be a good president. They are leading candidates but voters should drop them off their radar screens and look at other candidates. The depth of knowledge and leadership skills among the remaining candidates of both parties is not comforting but that doesn't mean we should get caught up in a poster contest for president. It's time to stop thinking about party politics and to give serious consideration to who is best among the remaining candidates to guide our nation in perilous times. That choice is yours but Clinton, Huckabee, and Obama don't make the list. I could add others (that are quite obvious) but the choice is yours. Get serious folks.
Don't worry folks. The Clintons are EXPERT liars. As president, Hil will be able to lie right back to all those countries that lie to us all the time.
Let's elect a moral-less liar as our next president. That will show the world who we really are!
Like any of your Biden supporters or Hillary bashers knew who was running in Pakistan, way to jump on a bandwagon of ignorance
It's funny how Obama gets stuck with the "inexperience" tag when Edwards was just a one-term senator after years of abulance chasing. Hilliary has only been a senator for a few more years than Obama. Hillary spent most of her life as a candidates wife.
Just because you trust your doctor that doesn't mean you'd allow his wife to write perscriptions for you.
And our current president had done nothing for years, except run companies into the ground, until he was elected governnor in 1994. By 2000 he was running for president. This guy was arrested for DUI in his 40s.
Obama received a BA from Columbia University, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations. He entered Harvard Law School in 1988. In 1990, The New York Times reported his election as the Harvard Law Review's "first black president in its 104-year history". He completed his Juris Doctor degree magna cum laude in 1991. He spent several years in the Illinois state senate before running for US Senate.
I don't see where he is that much less experienced than Hillary or Edwards. Now if you're talking about Biden, that's another story. It's just funny how once the media tags you something, people start believing it.
Hillary's mistake just exposes how she's been feeding us a bunch of bull about herself and Obama. I'd take him over her or Edwards in Foreign policy any day.
I'd take Biden over anyone in this race, regardless of party. That man knows what he's talking about.
Its not the mistake stupid. its the lame cover up!
I mean who is she fooling by saying she was referring to the party and not the person.
Like Bill parsing the meaning of "is"!
And, Mr. Bush knew so much about foreign policy and we, the intelliegent, elected him twice??
Instead of calling the candidates a bunch of names, why don't we start calling ourselves out for allowing our liberties to be stripped and our integrity (as a nation) to be looted by the very people we elected. If we (voters) were even half as smart as you bloggers think "you" are, Bush would have lost in a landslide in the first election and our country would not be in the mess it is in today.
Suma John, it is no surprise that most "American" leaders are "dummies," drug users, and so on. Whatis also a surprise is that YOU appear to be an American leader as well. As for Hillarious, she is probably the candidate least likely to destroy our foreign policy and the economy. And, before you all annoint Joe Biden "The Most Serious and Learned Foreign Policy Scholar in the Country," better run and check that he didn't steal his ideas from someone else.
why must biden be a long shot for president? i think we need someone with his character.
i can't say i understand pakistan either, but i expect a presidential candidate to. how can hillary say she has a lot of experience but make this kind of mistake?
Melane (is that the street you live on? Me Lane?) shows the truth–Hitler hass the dyke vote as well as the moonbat vote, not much else.
"This is just another example of male gender bias"
Cause we expect a woman running for president to be knowledgable of foriegn affairs?
She isn't being picked on because she is a woman, she is being picked on because she doesn't understand the current affairs of a very important/unstable country.
Clinton has created her myth of foreign experience and fortunately it's being exposed before we make the mistake of electing her.
Edwards simply doesn't know what he doesn't know. His call of condolences to Musharif was a freewheeling blunder (with a nation that has nuclear weapons) since it hasn't been established what role Musharif might have played in Bhutto's death. His action has angered people in the Middle East.
Obama understands Pakistan cannot be dealt with in isolation – that it is an important part of our entire Middle East strategy. He also respects and shares Joe Biden's assessment of the situation.
I would like to see these 2 men running together – they are both decent, smart men of integrity who really do care about the American people. I would vote for them on either a Biden/Obama ticket or Obama/Biden ticket. I think they would win in a landslide and be one of the most effective political teams in history.
Why Biden is stomping all the other candidates is astounding. More qualified than the rest from both parties together, which admittedly isn't saying a lot...
We need this guy elected.
No surprise here. Hillary is a fake and was exposed.
I'm sure her crazed supporters will ignore the gaffe anyway.
Please, let's not send another Clinton or Bush to the White House.
Typical of Hillary Supporters.... Biden criticizes her phony experience claims and Hillary's supporters bash bush and the republicans. WEAK.
Hillary is nothing more than a great salesman. (If she dropped her shorts, I'm sure I would be vindicated in using the male gender.) If Hillary gets to be President by some fluke of political luck, Bill will certainly be the first lady, as Hillary has even more testosterone than Bill does. I sure there will be more female interns under the oval office desk, but I doubt that the world will find out about it.
I admire Joe Biden and think he is one of the most intelligent, articulate and well-informed Democratic candidates. I wish he could manage to garner more support. He deserves it. All along he has been telling it like it is, both in foreign and domestic affairs. I am beginning to think that he is too smart to be president. That doesn't seem to be high on the wish list of a good many people in this country. It's true that he has been talking about Pakistan in almost every debate, trying to make us aware of the potential dangers in that country. The Bhutto assassination has shown that he was right to be concerned.
I love how he tarred and feathered Giuliani with the best sound bite in one of the debates about how every sentence he says is a noun, a verb and 9/11. So true! He doesn't speak in sound bites or rehearsed sentences. If he can't get the nomination, then at least he deserves consideration for the vice presidential spot on the ticket.
As far as Hillary is concerned, I do think this is a big deal. She has spent a great deal of time projecting herself as the candidate with the experience and knowledge needed in foreign affairs. Unfortunately, every gaffe takes on a life of its own, even more so as we close in on the Iowa caucas. I do think it's fair to hold her responsible for any mistakes she makes in foreign policy comments. Whatever she meant to say, it came off as though she didn't realize that Musharraf was up for election. As the first woman running for president, she comes under even more scrutiny and, fair or not, every statement gets the full glare of national publicity.
Yes, it's fair to chastise her for this remark, but to put her in the same category as Huckabee is ridiculous. At least she has a brain and she's not running on faith in Jesus and creationism. There is a world of difference between her and Huckabee. I will probably support her as the best option and the most electable, but in my heart I know that Biden has shown the smarts, common sense and straight talk that we should expect from a presidential candidate.
Hillary was and is a poser. Her campaign's spin on her wrong assessment is typical. Don't make her the nominee.
Being the Smartest women in the world doesn't show well for the rest of the women of the world. Hill needs to resign from the senate and stick to playing hostest for Bill's after dinner playthings.
I am a Republican, would never vote for any of the Dem front runers. Joe Biden is the only adult running on the Dem side. (My side could use some grown ups too.)
but but but, according to CNN she's had tea with bhutto, right.
see how stupid it is to assume that first ladies pay close attention to policy?
First off, I wonder how many on here under Pakistani politics? If you did, you would realize that the Parliamentary elections would have produced a Prime Minister which in most countries like Pakistan are just as important or more so than the President. So it was/is an important election.
Having said that, Hillary really blew this one. And then to try and cover up with some lame excuse makes it even worse. As far as Biden and Dodd, if the Dems are elected I just hope someone like them is put in as Secretary of State who knows what they are talking about in foreign policy. I really doubt any President knows everything about every country, though again with an "ally" like Pakistan they sure better.
So, Hillary should be shamed by media, voters, and everyone else for this gaffe, but at the same time I am not sure any candidate that is likely to get the nomination doesn't need a Biden, Lieberman, Lugar, or the like to have as Secretary of State.
The worse gaffe of Hillary's for me is that she claims to have known about top secret stuff under Bill that she did not have security clearance to know. She said it and I have seen no media pick up on it. Should that not be a federal crime with her pulling out of the race for it?
the oroblem is not the gaffe itself, but Hillary's pretense and deceit, including in the "explanation" offered
Even Pakistan doesn't understand what's going on in Pakistan but Clinton should know better.The truth is NONE of the candidates of either party really know what's been going on becaue they are so caught up in campaigning that they haven't been able to watch everything else that's going on minute by minute.What Biden knows today he'll make up for what he doesn't see tommorrow.Obama is so busy trying to be a Huck Finn candidate he's couldn't even get his flying circus to land at the right airport not too long ago.He's also clipping coupons out of the newspaper and going to Walmart.Clinton has been so busy saying and unsaying things that she's barely been able to keep an eye on what Bill has been saying and unsaying.
The Republicans are even worse.The republican "Huck Finn" has been so busy getting things wrong that he's resorted to hanging what used to be a symbol of Christianity behind him so that while he's so busy screwing everything else up,he thinks he can get people to think he's been endorsed by God.Romney has been trying so hard to to paint Huck as a foreign relations idiot and convince the Christian extremists that while he's a Morman,he's really just another Christian conservative that goes to different church but even he can't remember whether he's in a christian church or a morman church at any given moment.Giuliani has been keeping his big mouth shut because he hasn't been able to hide the fact that he's such a mean-spirited jerk and even he can't figure out if he's really a republican conservative or a liberal democrat.McCain has been getting his senior citizen discount at the matinee shows at the movies and trying to pretend he's really not just a washed up old fool while Fred Thompson has been showing slides of all the places he's been on vaction to around the world.The rest are so irrelevant they aren't even news-worthy any more.
Is there anyone left on the planet that still doesn't understand why the world,especially our country,is as screwed up and dangerous as it is?I mean besides Bush?
Almost eight years ago this country voted for a man totally ill-equipped to lead our nation in difficult times. Unprepared for terrorist attacks (briefing books went unread), President Bush squandered the kindness and solidarity offered us by the rest of the world and literally undid 200+ years of accumulated goodwill.
We are once again poised to nominate a candidate more for the family she comes from and less for her credentials as a leader. Adams, Roosevelt, Kennedy, Bush and now Clinton. The unnatural appeal of a free people to Royalty is dumbfounding. Media and money appear to trump experience and ability. As Ann Richards said of George Bush, "Mrs. Clinton was born on third base and walks around bragging about hitting a triple."
It is time we treated elections less like the celebrity of American Idol and more like the founding fathers planned. The best person for the job should be elected. Joe Biden is clearly that man.
The fact that Melane doesn't care if Hillary knows where Pakistan is, scares me as much as the fact that Hillary doesn't understand the international situation. That is a primary responsibility of the President. I thinks all of the candidates should be required to take a public oral test on such topics as the "vital intersts" of the US, the official positions of foreign governments and the history of events which shape them.
Some of the comments sound that this issue is about gender (e.g. tea or cookies). Please be serious. It is about judgment and experience. Clearly, Hillary does not have good judgment. This is why she was fooled twice by Bush and many times by Bill. That is why she has to claim that she has the experience.
What kind of experience doe she have? Nothing to speak of about her senate record. So, the only thing left is her experience as the First Lady because the public can not verify her claims anyway with records available.
Now the gaffe. "The emperor has no clothes on." I hope more and more people can start to believe it now.
A comment to Ian who said that Obama knows less about Parkistan than Hillary: Ian, we need to say from facts. One fact is that Obama is the first presidential candiate who warned us months ago that Parkistan is a problem that has been ignored. Biden was the second candidate who concurred by pointing to the potential nuke problem in Parkistan. This is good judgment.
Obama/Biden 2008
All the Democrats and 1/2 the Republicans are all over the map when it comes to most vital issues – like a blind quarterback who doesn't even know which play is called. I mean it is absolutely dumbfounding that these men (that includes Hillary) are the best of those who'd run. Maybe some Republicans who would actually be good, and there are several, did not want to face the Clinton Destruction Team – thinking s/he would be the Dem candidate. Who would want to go through that hell? They have a scorched earth policy when dealing with everyone – even their close friends if it benefits them. Biden once in a while will make a coherent observation but he is an arrogant, vain wannabe.
The Democrats, with few exceptions, are an emotional party.
Joe Biden is a logical / sequential thinker and is capable of leading the US.
Hillary and many other Democrats are emotional leaders that hope to get elected on the voters "feelings".
Too many Democrats think in a void. Democrats may not like it, but we as a nation are competing on so many levels in the International Arena IE: Economic, Military, Geo-Political etc. The world is competitive and wishing it not true is futile.
The facts of politics are much like Physics. Deny if you wish but gravity and time will win. The rest of the world DOES not and WILL not operate on "feelings" and an emotional leader will seriously damage our nation for many years to come.
If Hillary is elected because she is female (emotional vote), America will get what we deserve.
No more... no less.
While I've been in Vegas working for the children of America, I have to point out that Hillary did not say what she said to Wolfy and on ABC. What she said is that Pakistan needs a President like her in the White House and that President Musharraf also wants her there to add stability to the world. Hillary has vast experience with everything and that includes Pakistan because she actually, personally met folks there and has eaten Pakistani food as well. None of the other candidates can say that. And what about that near-fatal plane ride where Hillary practically took control of the plane and made a perfect corkscrew landing on top of the palace. Sinbad soiled himself, but Hillary, being a co-president, took the lead – just as she will take the lead and make life perfectly fine for our children and make the rich pay for it. Anyone who says different is just prejudiced against women and children and also hates blacks. Hillary and I have always talked about foreign policy since we were at Yale together and she knows what foreigners are like and can spot them as well as anyone. She particularly likes those who come in from Mexico and vote for democrats without any identification – because its not fair to them to require it. They're poor. They can't speak English and they care about children – that's why they are good Democrats. I can honsetly say that while I'm working for the children here in Vegas at a very nice homeless shelter called Pure Platinum. . no, I think this one is called "Fantasy Palace," I hope all good caring patriotic Iowans reject Mr. Barak Hussein Osama, I mean Obamba. Whatever. Hillary can make the Earth cleaner and children smarter just by being in the same room. That's foreign policy! Go Hillary!!
umm... joe... musharraf was reelected three months ago, not half a year ago.
biden, in his self righteous rant, got it wrong too... which is kind of worse, no? if you're going to attack someone for not understanding foreign politics, you'd better get your own facts straight first.
WOW
yet another BIG mistake for Team Hill
guess all that experience is not translating into running a sharp campaign...if they keep this up they may end up blowing what would amount to a 4 TD lead in a football game...
REALLY like the campaign person's outright lie that Hillary was referring to Musharraf's party and not him...THIS is representative of the kind of people Hillary and are campaign are, and THIS is the kind of people SOME are willing to entrust the future of this country to...SCARY beyond all belief!
"Beats 1999 when G.W. was asked who the leader of Pakistan and other countries were."
Mark – Michigan January 2, 2008 11:28 am ET
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The difference, Mark, it that Hillary proclaims herself to be extremely experienced in foreign affairs and can "hit the ground running". According to her, she stands head over shoulders above the other candidates in experience, foreigh and domestic. GW made no such proclaimation in 1999. Bill Clinton has been describing Hillary with superlatives as well. Biden has merely pointed out what many people have already known. Hillary is not what she, and "husband" Bill, says she is. If she did not have the surname she has, we wouldn't even be discussing this woman.
Clinton will be surrounded by lots of knowledgeable people, right? So her own personal lack of grasp of the situation is irrelevant, right?
Ha - I thought the same thing about George W. Bush some seven years ago. How bad could things be with all of the smart people he's surrounding himself with?
Boy did we ever get burned back then. The president has to juggle so much, and has to delegate so much.
But the important stuff - please, can we have a president that's ready on day one to deal with it all himself/herself? PLEASE?
Joe Biden will be that president and I can't wait for my chance to give him my vote just six days from now!
Only problem with Biden is that he can't resist trying to be the brightest boy in the room. Subsequently, he shoots from the hip and says incredibly stupid things (especially when taking into account his genious). He is also a bit of a hot-head (and that is putting it mildly) and the poster-boy for churlish, acerbic behavior . As such, Biden, as President, would be a total disaster. He would be a polarizing figure that could be counted upon to cause logjam after logjam in the legislative process.
You shouldn't be too harsh on presidential candidates. How many average americans can point out pakistan on a world map?
The face of foreign policy???!!???
The republicans could use this to flatten her in a general election. I wish this was getting more press. It blows a hole in Hillary's biggest (manufactured) strength.
Imagine the ads they could run- since she said it twice, on tape.
It could cost dems the election in 2008.
Obama/Biden is the ticket for America...says a Portuguese!
Hillary will just continue the rhetorics everyone hates.....Hillary, Romney, Giuliani are just some other phony politicians....
I am a Republican, but I always respect wise Democrat. I have great admiration for Biden, even I disagree with him on several issues because I respect his wisdom and conviction. Chris Dodds is great too. I have never understand why the Democrat Party (this year) run three of the least experience candidates: Clinton, Obama and Edwards. Clinton is not a "experience" candidate even she claimed she is. Biden is. Clinton has only been on the senate for less than 7 years and she did not accomplish a lot.. There is no Hilary Clinton bill. Joe Biden served in the Congress for 34 years, though 7 presidents. He is the current Chairman of Committee on Foreign Relations, Sub-committees of Drug and Crime and Sub-committees of Narcotics Control. Finally, of course, there are countless legistration produced by Biden. The most famous one is probably the Biden Crime Bill. He was the Chairman of Committee on Juiciary. Hillary Clinton's foreign policy knowledge is very lack, atlhough she is still much better than Obama.
This gaffe is brutal. We all could have looked up the correct answer on google of their political situation in about 5 minutes.
Wikipedia probably describes the situation fully lol.
Go Obama 08!
CNN = Clinton News Netwwork
All the news worthy of giving billary more power and money at your expense.
Oh, I forgot to mention that when I was President none of this was a problem. Hillary was a big part of that also. She constantly advised me to go after Obama Bin Laden, and but even though she tried and tried almost every day to personally kill him, the Republicans constantly thwarted her efforts. Just ask Harry Reid. Why, my friend Amber here remembers that, dontcha darlin? Anyway, Joe Biden is not entirely honest when he says Hillary does not know foreign policy. We all remember Ronald Reagan, right. Well she's like a Democrat Ronald Reagan, but one who cares for children and that include Pakistani children as well. Enough said.
Hillary has got the experience, eh? I heard Penn say she has 35 years experience helping others. That would be since 1972. Why didn't she help before she graduated from law school in 1972?? All of her helping has helped her get her husband elected over and over, and that's it. Four or eight years of the "First Laddie" would drive everyone crazy.
Hillary is uninformed (the election comments), dishonest (Rose law firm records) and butt-ugly. Why would anybody vote for her?
After Zaphod BeebleBush, anyone's an improvement. But Hillary should have smarter people supporting her when she's expected to speak on hot foreign policy topics. This could be a harbinger of problems if she's elected - people close to the candidate tend to be hired in the WH if the candidate is elected.
Smarter reporters calling candidates out on stupid/wrong answers should be the norm, not the exception. I'm tired of sitting at home shouting questions at the TV that are never asked.
Everyone has once again misinterpreted a Clinton's twist of the language.
Hillary has experience with foreign affairs in just about every country on earth. However, since Bill never had any bimbos from Pakistan, she actually has no such experince in that country!
Butto looted Pakstan, and she let her 19-year-old son to be the ppp chair . you thought this is democracy? if so, Bush will let her daughters to be the next president right away. don't need a election
OJC,
I believe Melane was being sacrastic. Notice she wrote "Lesbians that are not impeded by male influence will change this country". Melane is actually taking a cheap shot and calling Hillary Clinton a lesbian. No Clinton supporter will do this. She also intentionally act very irrational just to prove the point that no rational people can support defend her - not on this Pakistan mistake. Hillary Clinton might as well claim there is a queen in Afgahistan.
Just goes to show .......... you're not electing the PERSON running for President, but the WRITERS of their speeches. Who has a CLUE?
We all make mistakes and it is so difficult to be knowledgeable in all areas ... even for a potential presidential candidate. That having been said, I honestly feel Obama is far more educated and talented. Not to mention his wife would make quite a first lady. They are both highly dedicated. Obama's heart is in the right place. Study this man's credentials before turning elsewhere. GO OBAMA! Thx.
Blah, Blah, Blah..............
Lets hold the election this week and be done with it.....Save hundreds of millions, end all the back stabbing, lying, and slanderous comments......Our process of elections has become a joke...
Nick Young
Dems are too concerned about bean counting and getting minority candidates to the front of the pack, ignoring their most viable candidates like Biden. Meanwhile the GOP is quietly brewing a stronger ticket than anyone's anticipating...Giuliani is not going away, and his family squabbles will become quite forgettable if(when) terrorism and national security become big issues again.
She was drinking coffee with ambassadors that 's it.......sorry Hillary , not this time.She voted for the war, she voted for Iran's war, she doesn't know anything about ..Pakistan and the rest of the world................
Post Script:
Edwards isn't really running for President,Elizabeth is.
See irrelevant.
The saddest part here is that the two candidates on the Dem side that might actually be good presidents (Biden and Richardson) don't have a prayer to win.
PICKY BIDEN
Picky stuff doesn't play well. The Democrats continue to fund Bush's wars and fighting among themselves. We have to save what's left of our America and get rid of these Republicans. Biden stepped down a degree with this picky statement, like he never made a mistake. Hilliary Clinton is an ideal candidate and it is time we had some intelligent person sitting in the Oval Office. I think the Republicans have played the religion card till most of us are sick of it. I would not vote for someone who has a Muslim name or background either. Have you noticed that the candidates do not talk about bin Laden, 160,000 soldiers can't find him or Musharaf has him hidden in a spider hole. After WW II the Nazis were rounded up with little fanfare, why not bin Laden? Biden should approach this question istead of worrying about Hillary. I note he has 12% in the Iowa polls, so he has more to worry about than Clinton. It is obvious john Edwards would spend like Bush to save the poor. Most of the Republicans should drop out and try in the next election.
Theere are few choices in this election.
The most disengenuous politican to come down the pike.But, she has 16 years of
experience! 6 as a senator, 2 as the 1st lady, Arkansas, 8 as Bill's wife. Never had
security clearance. Was not given a copy of Presidents daily intelligence breifs.
Did not attend any National security council meetings. If thats the case, then Ms Bush and Tipper Gore could qualify like Hill does. Never ran a business, never ran a state, and cannot give a yes or no. McCain,Edwards, Obama, and Romney
are all better candidates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As Melane says, vote for Hilory – we need a lesbian in the White House, to offset those clueless males!
Lets see if I get this straight:
Bush makes a gaffe about Pakistan and the Democrats point this out as his lack of international relations abilities.
Hillary makes a bigger gaffe about Pakistan and the same Democrats make excuses. They say it was a "misstep" (Hillary Lover in NY), that "no one is perfect,"(Bill in Ohio).
Bush invades Iraq, and now the Democrats support Afghanistan, but not Iraq. In fact, they claim that the troops are spread too thin and they should be consentrating on Afghanistan (I thought we should not have invaded that country either).
Now Obama and Biden want to invade Pakistan. I thought our troops were spread out too thin and we should not invade other countries...
When will you all get over your bitterness from the 2000 election? Open your eyes, or we will all be speaking arabic soon.
An Obama/Biden ticket is looking better every day! "experience" is in the eyes of the beholder and I have seen much to 'behold' in a Clinton Administration. Oh wait, I better clarify that somewhat – I have seen the same kind of rhetoric coming out of Hillary that I so detest over the past 7 years of Bush
So she got a small detail wrong. At least she didn't declare war because of it.
Yea, let's vote for Biden who has been known to talk from all sides of his mouth. Big deal, parlaimentary elections in Pakistan! What Biden needs to do is to find what he really stands for!
Another case of the pot calling the kettle black. Hey Melane, nobody has to make the dems look bad. They just are!
There she goes again. Hillary did not know Musharraf was elected last year– basic international affairs knowledge. Now she is denying it.– Pathetic!! Hillary Rodham Clinton: not credible, not competent, not trustworthy. Case closed.
Democrats, please do not feel you owe Hillary anything! Vote with your brains, not what media wants you to do, mainly CNN. My vote goes to Obama. (Second choice, Biden!)
Obama 08!
So its alright to plagiarize but God forbid if you slip up and say that someone is running for president when they aren't.
At least Hillary didn't do it intentionally...it was an honest mistake, much like every politician has made recently...contrary to Senator Biden intentionally plagiarizing John F. Kennedy's speeches and claiming the credit as his own, when he was in college and running for Senator!
Biden/Gingrich 2008. Reach across to a can do ideas guy: and WIN. Ist day pass a law that makes the minimum price of gasoline at the pumps: $1.75/gallon; billion dollar/million barrel per day ethanol stills will not be built without protection from OPEC monopoly pricing that can lower their price of oil and rust out our new stills; A Manhattan project for the non-toxic enzyme for converting cellulose (sugar chains held together by a bond) to fermentable sugar. Osama (OBL) is a mercenary marketing director for various government owned weapons manufacturers parading as a religious person; no definition of religious includes flying planes into buildings.
This is all about the judges, the future of the supreme court, so I'll take any any democrats over any of the republicans running for presidency.
What continues to amaze is not that she doesn't have a clue, but that her political machine continues to believe that they can cover these outrageous gaffes by maintaining she meant to say something other than what she plainly said.
I thought this was the candidate with the experience to start governing day one!
Hillary does not enjoy a 30 pt lead, she just "allegedly" is estimated to have the commitment of 30% of the voting democratic population. However, a few more exposures of her true intellect might convince even the dumbest hillbilly that she is a long way from qualified for the office. Sooner or later, one or more minority candidate will occupy the highest office in the land. But lets make sure that the wrong person doesn't doom those to follow to the inevitable comparisons and set the American process and public face back 50-100 years. Hillary is to American politics what Brittney Spears is to American Entertainment.
Open up Hillary, and say "DUHHHHHH".
Thank you for the opportunity to let me comment on this article, and all others for sure.
It's interesting to notice that, even though Senator Biden would make a perfect VP for Mrs. Clinton (and I believe he still can as both are very amicable and compatible), the fact that Mrs. Clinton did not address correctly the current election situation in Pakistan does not discard her as a valid candidate.
In fact, President G.W. Bush himself knew NOTHING about foreign policy before becoming President in his first election and still it seemed that the Christian Evangelical vote was the only thing he needed to win the electors...
I celebrate the heat in the primaries times but for those republicans and other democrats that are trying to discredit the leader, you will have to aim better to shoot someone of the caliber of Mrs. Clinton. Be careful with the firebacks, especially because of President Bush's lack of foreign policy knowledge in similar circumstances!
Thank you.
Well, that is what the national security advisor, department heads are for JOE! One person can't know everything about every country! I would prefer to have a president that knows our country first! Just look at Bush for crying out loud! You think he would know something like this unless he surrounded himself with competent folks! Stop being so political and bashing other candidates. Just tell us what YOU are made of! Christ!
Hillary is courting Iowa farmers, but the only thing she's ever planted was questions in the audience. Bill was elected promising universal health care. The Congress was democratic. Eighty percent of the public was behind it. The economy could easily support it. Yet her program was 1000% failure. She had another 6 years to try to revive it. Nothing happened. Can anybody actually be that incompetent? Let's hear the excuse for 8 years of failure on her supposed pet program – when her husband was the president no less. Now there's an election, she's promising you healthcare again just like Bill did – with an unworkable mandatory plan to force down people's throats – a windfall to the insurance lobbies that fund her. The theory is that if you can fool them once, you can always fool them. As Geffen says, "the Clintons lie with such ease, it's troubling". and the NY Times' William Safire called her a "congenital liar". Hillary flunked healthcare. She flunked Iraq. She flunked Iran. She flunked Pakistan. She even flunked the Washington bar exam twice, and is a serial failure as a housewife. That's her record – her so-called experience. She cannot even take care of her household, but wants to be your president, and leader of the free world, with her fingers on the nuclear arsenal. Would you bet on a horse that collapses every time it comes out of the gate? Would you get on a ship if the captain was the guy from the Titanic? The American people are not that stupid. I'd be willing to bet that both Hillary and Bill are on drugs right now. Bill is a huge security risk to the USA as he is susceptible to anything that comes along in a skirt. We need intelligent and honest leadership. Obama is a brilliant and visionary leader with a powerful brain. He graduated first in his class at Harvard. That's not easy. He's a uniter that gets all the difficult things right.
I still remember that interview Bush gave in 1999, in which he couldn't even name the leaders of some nations including pakistan and india – look at what he did to the world after his election.
Coming to hillary, here's a portion of an article published in a pakistan daily today
"...Ms Clinton's ignorance seems complete in terms of Pakistan when she declares that Pakistan's "feudal landowning leadership" must be disempowered because it was led by President Musharraf and has protected Al-Qaeda! Now there may be many grounds on which President Musharraf has been critiqued, but in all fairness he cannot be labelled a feudal landowner or even the leader of the feudal land-owning class! And while one may detest the feudal class and the feudal mindset, and there are many evils associated with feudalism, but empowering the clergy is not one of them. Without being an apologist for feudalism in any sense, the fact is that it is where the feudal leadership has been weakened or is non-existent, that the mullah has gained power and come into his own. Perhaps Ms Clinton is also not aware of the fact that the late Ms Bhutto, widely regarded as the symbol of moderation and secularism, was also a feudal landowner"
I'm an Obama supporter, the important thing here is not that Clinton got the pakistan politics wrong. The important thing is that if she didn't know, she should just say she didn't know. And it'd been ok. Last thing we need is a president in the white house who will just pretend to know everything. Obama/Biden is the best ticket i believe. Obama unites America and Biden with Real experiences, compared to hilary's false claims. When I falsely claim thing on my job i probably get fired. But when she make a whole bunch of false claims she received nothing but praises from her hardcore supporters who do not study facts.
See! Here is a smart man.
As a Republician these past 20 years – I would cross over to the
democratic side to vote for Biden if he were nomintated.
A very good man.
Whoa! I am no big fan of Hillary as you know, but I am surprised she would make such a gaffe.
I mean, she isn't the super-Einstein the campaign makes her out to be, but then again, she is no dummy, either.
But I would expect our nation's leaders to be more well informed that that.
Particularly after she made a big deal about being best friends with Bhutto and all.
And it is not a slip of the tongue, either, but a clear misunderstanding of what could be the most important foreign relationship of the next 4 years.
Whoops is right. Big Whoops!
It's kind of sad, though. This give me no joy to see such a mis-step.
I feel bad for Hillary.
It appears the people are beginning to "get it", Mrs. Clinton is far from the smartest woman in the world. She makes numerous "gaffes" anytime she goes off-script. She also stated in another speech that she knew Bhutto and her two daughters very well. Obviously she didn't know that Bhutto also has a son who is now sharing the leadership of her party with her husband.
The mainstream media is the bought and paid-for tool of the Clinton Machine, therefore, you never get any real exposure to the most experienced and intelligent Dem candidates, Biden and Dodd. Even as an independent conservative I would have no problem with either of these intelligent people being our President. But, they have no chance because the corrupt media is focused entirely on a Clinton victory. The American MSM propaganda machine would make that old nazi, Goebbels very proud. The MSM has concluded that in the end, neither Obama nor Edwards can be elected, so they also cover them to sell the public that the Dem campaign is "close" and in the end their annointed-one, Mrs. Clinton, has struggled to victory.
Look- Joe Biden is CRAZY! But he's usually right about these things. Biden has experience- something her Royal Thighness has not. (Chris Dodd has experience, too. Like LOTS of it). Biden has been in the senate...how long? He and Chris Dodd are the only two people who are NOT empty suits. Every single other candidate is. If Joe weren't NUTS, I'd vote for him, but he's crazy. He's smart, though. Fine line betwen genious and insanity? I think Biden's been able to be on both sides of that line. Regardless, he knows what he's talking about, and I've watched him at almost every debate, and he has some of the best answers. Even if he is crazy, people should at least pay attention to him. I read alot of media from overseas, and I've only heard him say things incorrectly a couple times, where every one else messes up FREQUENTLY.
Hey, Marge in Hibbing, MN- the only thing Hillary helps is herself- to anything she wants. As a fellow Minnesotan, don't let the wind chill destroy remaining brain cells- wake up and realize she is a child of entitlement- from my era- and cares nothing about our country, or you- for that matter.
If the nation elects Hillary Clinton it will be a dangerous four years in the world. She won her Senate seat without ever having faced unscreened questions from the press and now it is showing. I don't know what New Yorkers were thinking or maybe whether the voters there were thinking at all when they cast votes for Ms. Clinton.
God forbid that we have to go nose to nose with another Hussein with her as commander in chief. She does not exhibit the maturity required of a world leader.
We have an all volunteer military. They do not have to re-enlist when their hitches are up and I have spoken to many veterans who left the military due to a revulsion toward serving under her husband.
I'm conservative and have been trying to tell you how scewed up the Clintons are for years. You people are finally getting it.
This country is in need of quality leadership- and the best candidate amongst all candidates (dem and repub) is Joe Biden. He is a respectable and knowledgeable man who has served this country admirably. This country is in need of stability (let's not use the word 'change', I'm really getting tired of hearing it!)- and a sense of pride (again). Biden is the man who can lead through his vision and his It is not a time for a newbie like Obama to lead through on-the-job-training. That is pure insanity. Times have changed, and the political environment is very different than it was a decade ago.
If we continue on the current path, I fear for my future, this country's future, and the future of my children. It is time voters take a serious look at his credentials. BIDEN 08!
Well I guess that I do not have to ask if Hillary is smarter than a fifth grader do I. So much for 35 years of experience per her propaganda commercial, that is being shown on T.V. We need someone with experience in domestic and foreign policy for the presidency. Not experience in helping people. If this is what her experience is in then she should be a social worker.
Because of all her flaws, the republicans are very happy for her to become the democratic nominee for November election. I am very sorry, there wouldn't be any hand-waving in her resume and her so called foreign policy experience.
Sentor Biden is completely wrong. When Clinton made the comment she was talking about political parties and she meant the party that support Musharraf, ie PML-Q.
I agree with Lynda. I'm a republican myself, but I think that Biden would be the best possible candidate for the democrats.
You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill: Under the stress of the first primaries, anyone could make a mistake like that. Who knows how much sleep any of them are getting?
It may not be her "shining hour" of a performance, but in general, I think her understanding of the general situation in Pakistan (Musharraf has extended his formerly military control through to a nominally civilian control, by rigging the elections, both his own and the Parliament's) is good enough. As President, she will have experts advising her on fine details.
The important question is, Will she be consulting them for their expert knowledge, or feeding them the lines that she wants to hear (a la Cheney/Bush)? As long as she's willing to listen to what the experts actually have to say, she should do OK.
so i guess clinton is ready to lead from day 1!
HA!
If Bush made a gaffe like that it would be front page news.
I guarantee that most people who posted here condemning Sen. Clinton had no idea themselves about this distinction. Honestly, they claim that she made such a mistake yet most wouldn't be able to locate Pakistan on a map and probably almost all had no idea elections were coming up at all had it not been for the assassination all over the news.
Dear Iowa Republicans, Independents and Democrats:
May I strongly suggest that those of you who do NOT want Hillary elected for president please attend your Iowa caucus tomorrow night and vote your heart.
Republicans can change back to their party after voting in the democratic caucus. There are folks doing that just to stop Hillary from winning Iowa where she'd get one huge bounce.
Do you know that 1 vote in Iowa counts 20 times what my vote will count for.
My hope and prayer is for Obama to be our next president.
Thank you.
We have no viable candidates, we are going to lose in 2008. None of our frontrunners are capable of running the country or winning the war. These people will come after us if we don't take them out first.
Come on, folks. This is a very minor mistake, compared to invading Iraq on false pretenses.
Maybe it's just me, but if I were running for president, I'd at least familiarize myself with the basic facts surrounding our key ally on the war on terror. Even Bush knows Musharraf was already elected president, and I can't see voting for a Democratic candidate who knows even less about foreign affairs than Bush.
Thank you non-sheep who see right through this "Clinton speak".
Regardless of her gaffe that she repeated, take into account the LIE that her campaign puts out as the typical "what she really meant was..." when in the context of her repeated statements shows no TRUTH to their spin.
A particular party was never even close to being mentioned, he personally was mentioned.
She can never admit a mistake and the media will blow this over, but when Huckabee did the same he was brutally HAMMERED by ALL.
The smartest woman in the world, who has the most experience in foreign policy?
You sheep can not be serious, Biden, Richardson and Dodd forgot more than "she" will ever know.
No more Bush's or Clinton's.
Ron Paul understands foreign policy far better than Hillary. I would like to see the two of them go at it...Ron Paul Revolution!
The fact that some don't care if Hillary knows where Pakistan is, scares me as much as the fact that Hillary doesn't understand the international situation. That is a primary responsibility of the President. I thinks all of the candidates should be required to take a public oral test on such topics as the "vital intersts" of the US, the official positions of foreign governments and the history of events which shape them.
Let’s cut to the chase and get down to the heart of the matter. Americans must show the world that fear tactics will not work anymore. The people who killed Benazir Bhutto are from an ideology that does not believe a woman should have power because she is a woman. Americans need not have this fear at all. The terrorists cannot beat us. The bottom line is America has given Pakistan 10 billion dollars and the Pakistani government couldn’t even protect a Prime Minister, who was elected twice, because she is a woman. We can beat around the bush and make up stuff all we want, but the facts are clear as day. Benazir Bhutto was assassinated because she is a woman. The Bush Administration didn’t want to protect her. They were just using Bhutto as a pawn because the Bush Administration didn’t get what they wanted from Musharaf for the 10 billion they gave him.
If we continue to deny the fact that there are places in the world where woman have no rights, we will never solve the problem. What kind of change are we looking for? A woman as leader of the free world will bring forth change automatically. Hillary Clinton is the only candidate that can bring forth the change we need in the United States and she, being elected as leader of the free world, will make the haters of the world think twice about their actions and policies towards women.
The women who do not support Hillary in a time where they have the power to change the world might want to check their necks for Adams apples. I, personally, did not consider gender when picking my candidate, but as a liberal who believes in human rights for all, in the back of my mind I do consider woman’s rights. Now, here we have a woman who is the most qualified person to lead this nation and who is not afraid to take on the right wing zealots and the religious fanatics head on.
Barack Obama will not change anything because he wants to negotiate with leaders who inherently hate Americans. You can’t get water from a rock. The terrorist and their propagandists will NEVER respect Americans, and our words will go in one ear and out the other. Kucinich and the rest of the Democrats are confused and they know very well that Hillary is the only candidate that will make great achievements in foreign policy.
I do not understand Pakistan, and really have little interest in doing so. However, this seems to be a prerequisitie for a presidential candidate in today's world.
I typically vote Republican, but I could easily see myself supporting Mr, Biden if he was the Democratic candidate. Besides being the most qualified and experieinced, he seems to be closer to the middle than other candidates on both sides (less polarizing).
We need to get back to being a single country, with a common purpose.
This would not be such a big deal IF Hillary did not lie about her resume. She touts that she is ready from day one and is the most informed candidate on every issue. She put her foot in it again with her own big mouth. If she could just be who she really is and try some honesty and would most likely vote for her. She still has time before Oregon votes.
Call me cynical, but I think Hillary Clinton has put herself out there to be the Neocon's sacrificial lamb.
The only candidate who won't go along with their agenda is Ron Paul, which is why I think more and more Americans are supporting him.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7493899900883927358&loc=interstitialskip
I'm sure she didn't have a clue as to the particulars on the up-coming election in Pakistan (which will probably be postponed until February?)
If she is nominated as the Democratic nominee she will be toasted by ANY Republican. Even if Nader runs as a Green (and he said that if Edwards isn't the nominee for the Democrats he WILL RUN), and Bloomberg runs as an Independent, Hillary would STILL lose for one reason and one reason only: She is detested by Democrats, Republicans Independents and Greens.
She is a militaristic hawk to the max, has little to show for true bravery, judgment skills or leadership. Look how she fell for the Iraq War Resolution, The Patriot Act and every other way Bush has found to shred the Constitution both he and she swore to defend against ALL enemies both foreign and domestic:
http://words-of-power.blogspot.com/2008/01/campaign-08-update-open-letter-to-sen.html
After 40 years of being a Democrat and never missing an election I just switched my registration to Republican just so I can vote for Ron Paul on the issue of protecting and defending the Constitution.
I guess all those years of standing in school with my hand over my heart and swearing allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, with LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL made quite an impression on me.
It obviously left little impression on the majority of the current crop of candidates running for President....except Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich.
Just another example pointing out why it's time for real change.
I would respect these leaders to ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR MISTAKES, not spin it. We should have learned from 7 years of George of the Jungle.
I think Biden & Dodd have increased their chances in receiving a cabinet post, if not VP.
So much for "experience to hit the job running the 1st day of the job."
When you have elected a President who had no clue about Pakistan or any foreign country, why raise all this stink?
This is a very small insignificant thing to blow up against.
THINK BIG, guys.
Hail Hillary,
the master of foreign policy experience who doesn't have a clue whats going on in Pakistan. The master of healthcare that failed flat on her first attempt as co-president with Bill and the Most experienced candidate which includes her years as Bills girlfriend and travelling around the world having tea and cookies with other first ladies. And ooh I forgot, the best agent of change having been in Washinton very long and changed nothing during her time.
Perfect resume for another 4 years of disaster.
At least Obama introduced a very significant bill that will change the level of tranparency within the Gorvernment and lobbyst.
"How many average americans can point out pakistan on a world map?" Most Americans don't even HAVE a world map, much less world consciousness. And half of them think Bush & Texas & Jesus are the center of the universe.
im no Biden fan, but I'd actually rather see him in power over the 3 lightweights currently at the top of the Democratic polls right now...
his plagarizing and some politically incorrect comments he has made over the years take away any real shot he had of being President...
the attempt to say Clinton was referring to Musharaff's party is as laughable as Romney trying to explain away his comment about seeing his dad march with MLK...
Bill from OHIO hits the nail on the head. If you really care about this country, scroll back to see his comment. If not, continue the mean spirited, small minded critisim and foolishness that has dragged this country down in the past seven years!
Joe is right. Clinton goofed. Which proves she is human.
Why doesn't CNN just give a whole day just to Biden starting right now? He's the only Democrat that has any sense at all.
Not to say the Republicans are any better. All of them are preaching to the Christian conservatives instead of what's good for this country.
Why did Clinton make this gaffe, and not Obama, if Clinton is the so-called more experienced leader on foreign affairs, "ready to lead from day one"?
Maybe it's because Obama sits on the Senate's Foreign Relations Committee, and Clinton does not. Obama, in fact, chairs a Foreign Relations sub-committee.
Obama's foreign experience credentials do not depend on his spouse.
'Nuff said.
Ok, I just have to say this. It all just depends on who you like. You can take any and all of the candidates on the ballot and prove that they have made unintelligent mistakes in the past. Biden himself voted for the No Child Left Behind act and then flipflopped and decided it was a mistake, same goes with the Iraq War, he is also in support of send 2500 of our already depleted military force to Sudan to help with the genocide/civil war going on in Darfur. Yes, we are a global economy, but the most important issues are genuinely domestic, protection, economy, and insurance that our own citizens are taken care of in every way FIRST and foremost.
Biden is so right on. Hillary's foreign policy and so called other experience is blatant. Just like her flip-flop on drivers licenses, we've seen first hand now that she isn't what she claims to be. Obama/Biden is a great and winning ticket. Obama has the money and organization to go the distance, and Biden will provide all the foreign policy experience needed. They will make a perfect team.
Everyone in Iowa who loves Biden – if he isn't viable, vote Obama and let them team up for the general. We all know Hillary owes way too many favors to surrogates at this point to offer Biden any significant position in a Hill administration. Obama/Biden all the way!
As a New Yorker, I'm glad to see the media is trying to be more objective. I don't like her being my representative in NY and I certainly don't think she's qualified to be the President. She's been so busy with her campaign, she hasn't been in session to vote on anything. So who is representing me? NO ONE!
OBAMA is not an American Citizen ...Proof in Election Headquarters in DC
He can only help the Republicans win Congress and Presidentcy in 2008
IF (ha, ha, ha, ha,) she was referring to the Party and not the candidate, you only have to go to the details to see that during the upcomming party election there are multiple Parties. If she wasn't lying when she said "[Musharraf] could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election." This would mean that his party would be the only one on the ballot.
This proves that when she said it the first time (as Biden noted) that she proved that she is an idiot and when she said it the second time she proved she was a liar (again).
*** So she got a small detail wrong. At least she didn't declare war because of it. ***
SMALL DETAIL???? The elections are fundamentally what's going on right now in Pakistan, the world's #1 hot spot. And Clinton has shown she really has no idea what's going on at all.
Big deal, why would she know anything about Pakistan? What importance does it have?.....
Oh yeah, you would think she would KNOW this. These Washington idiots just like the parties and fame, and don't do any real work or know anything. Just political mannequins.
Biden has been in the Senate for how long? He's represented one of the smallest states in the country and has run for President how many times? How come his message is not catching-on? Maybe because he's a blowhard and doesn't know what he's talking about. While he can pad his resume and make up stories about his background better that anyone in politics – aside from the congenital liar Hillary, of course – he's right about one thing: Hillary has no real experience running anything. She's a phony, a fake, and a liar. Anyone who supports her needs a brain scan to make sure they even have a brain. Do we need four more years of a Clinton in the White House? Do we need the drama? Isn't it time for fresh ideas? Kucinich and Richardson are jokes. Biden has been part of the problem for the past 25 years and has not accomplished anything major as a senator. He's a blowhard of the first order. Edwards is a slick trial lawyer ambulance chaser with no management experience. Butter won't melt in his mouth, and he blinks too much when he talks – a sign of deception. He's a phony and has no chance. Dodd has no chance and all he's got going for him is his nice white hair. Another do-nothing senator from a tiny state and a northeastern liberal to boot. No chance to win – nobody is listening to him and no one cares. The democrats need someone fairly normal and they've got nobody! The Repubs will pulverize them in November.
How many times did she visit Pakistan as First Lady? Must not have been too many since that is where her foreign policy experience was gained.
If you truly want to solve problems of government, you must hold your own candidate to the highest standard. You cannot elect a lying, posing, hanger-on of any party and expect issues of war, education, health care, etc. to be resolved.
UNTIL YOU STOP MAKING EXCUSES AND RATIONALIZING FOR THESE UNSCRUPULOUS PEOPLE REPRESENTING YOUR PARTY, THE CIRCUS WILL NEVER LEAVE TOWN.
TO THOSE WHO WOULD MAKE EXCUSES FOR THEIR OWN: SHAME ON YOU!
THE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING FOR YOUR VAIN NEED TO BE A "WINNER".
Is there any truth to the rumor Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf was offered a snapple and said no thank you too fruity.
Apostle324, you're living proof that CNN gives everyone a forum. This is so
ridiculous that's it's laughable. If ignorance is bliss, are we happy yet?
So Clinton's the great policy expert on Pakistan. Maybe a Pakistani owns the convenience store down the street from her!
In all seriousness, admit you goofed and move on. Biden is correct as usual. Let's see! No WMD's in Iraq, no nuclear weapons program in Iran, dropped the ball on a mandated health care plan and now wants to do it again. If this is experience, may heaven help us!
Two brief thoughts:
1) In terms of foreign policy, Joe Biden is hands down the best choice among the field (both Rep and Dem). If not President, he'd make an awsome Sec. of State.
2) For those inclined to criticize Hillary for a lack of knowledge (and I acknowledge that this one was a MAJOR gaffe) please remember that there is a difference between inherent smarts and being informed. While I don't doubt her intelligence, I think Hillary is not as informed as we would like....or need.
Please stop with Republican vs Democrats both parties have helped to destroy this Country and get us into the mess we are in. Please look at the price of Gold today almost 850.00 an ounce and the price of oil and the debt we are in 60 trillion.
We borrow and trade with China that holds the paper on us now but we can not trade with Cuba, because it is a Communist Country>?
We need someone that is Indelpendent for all these people that are part of the "Washington Party " Wake up America, nothing is for free. Enjoy yourself when you go to work from Jan 1st until July 11th for the Govt and have nothing to show for it .
The Foreign policy and the economy are the issues. The only person that undersatnds that is Ron Paul. I know some of the things he is for is out there, but listen to what he has to say. he at least has read the Constitution and understands it.
These people run under the platform everthing is free the Govt will take care of you. THAT IS OUR MONEY not theirs.
I think everyone one out to read this to understand the extend of clinton's deceptions about her FABRICATED EXPERIENCE.
Wait...You Mean Hillary Isn't the Smartest Woman in the World?
Posted by Kim Priestap
Published: Jan 1, 08 03:34 PM
The press focused a lot on Huckabee for misstating the status of Pakistan's state of martial law following the assassination of Benazir Bhutto. Twice now, Hillary Clinton made a mistake in an answer to a question about Pakistan. According to the Politico, she said that President Pervez Musharraf was "a 'candidate' who would be 'on the ballot.'" However, as the Politico points out, Musharraf was reelected on October 6th:
Senator Hillary Clinton was praised in the wake of the assassination of former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto for demonstrating her command of the players and the issues at stake in Pakistan, even as another candidate, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, was criticized for stumbling over details.
But in two confident television appearances, on CNN and ABC, Clinton made an elementary error about Pakistani politics: She described President Pervez Musharraf as a "candidate" who would be "on the ballot."
In fact, Musharraf was re-elected to the presidency in October. The upcoming elections are for parliament, and while Musharraf's party will be facing off against opposition parties, the president himself is not a candidate.
Musharraf's reelection was all over the mainstream media because of the controversy surrounding it, which makes Hillary's mistake that much more glaring. Here's what she said:
"If President Musharraf wishes to stand for election, then he should abide by the same rules that every other candidate will have to follow," she told CNN's Wolf Blitzer (.pdf) December 28.
"He could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election," she told ABC's George Stephanopolous December 30.
Many of you may remember that back in 1999 when then governor George W. Bush was running for president, a reporter surprised Bush with a "pop quiz" about international leaders. Bush didn't do so well, and the media pounced on it, showing the video over and over again. However, as governor of Texas, he wasn't in regular contact with foreign leaders, so his lack of knowledge was somewhat explainable. This is also the case for Mike Huckabee, former governor of Arkansas.
Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, has made a big deal of the fact that, as first lady, she was in the White House for 8 years and traveled to many foreign lands to meet with foreign leaders and dignitaries, which she argues gives her foreign policy experience above and beyond that of her Democratic primary opponents. She also said that she risked her life on one of these trips, a characterization that is now being described as an exaggeration:
The dictum around the Oval Office in the '90s, she added, was: "If a place was too dangerous, too poor or too small, send the first lady."
It turns out that Clinton wasn't quite flying solo into harm's way that day.
She was, in fact, leading a goodwill entourage that included baggy-pants funnyman Sinbad, singer Sheryl Crow and Clinton's daughter, Chelsea, then 15, according to an account of the March 1995 trip in her autobiography "Living History."
As the plane approached the runway, the pilot ordered the Clintons into the armored front of the plane, Clinton writes.
What's not clear is whether Sinbad or Crow were invited to the cockpit or had to brave it out in the unprotected rear.
Senator Clinton is looking quite foolish after setting up her foreign policy experience like this because she has set an expectation that she didn't fulfill. Not knowing that Pervez Musharraf is the president of Pakistan who won reelection in October and that the elections on January 8th, which will probably be postponed after Bhutto's assassination, are for Parliament is really unacceptable, especially since Pakistan is such an important hot spot in the War on Terror.
Captain Ed is commenting on this. So are Dan Riehl and Scott Hinderaker. Will the mainstream media give it any attention?
Update: Bryan at Hot Air, who is far more informed on Pakistan politics than I, points out that not only was Hillary wrong about what kind of elections are taking place and that Musharraf will not on the ballot, but he also points out that she was completely wrong on everything she said about Pakistan. Bryan explains:
Let's take this piecemeal. The Pakistani People's Party, or PPP, is a hereditary party. Benazir Bhutto became its leader when her father was executed after conviction in a highly questionable trial (not "assassinated," as Clinton has said), and upon Bhutto's assassination, her son took the reins because Bhutto had left the party's leadership to him in her will. Therefore, there was no choice to be made in the PPP's leadership. It had been made before Bhutto's death, because the PPP isn't democratically run.
Second, Nawaz Sharif can't run. He's a convicted felon. His party can participate in elections, but he's barred from running. Musharraf could have pardoned Sharif as he had pardoned Bhutto in late 2007, but he hadn't, so according to the law Sharif was barred from standing for election.
Now that you know the true facts, be sure to watch the video of Hillary's comments so you can actually see her in all her ignorance.
Update II: Bryan asked why none of her opponents have called her on her errors. MSNBC notes that Joe Biden is commenting on Hillary's gaffe, but only the part about Musharraf not being on the ballot.
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RF in hillsborogh --– If my memory is correct Hillary did vote for the war. Sorry just thought you ought to be reminded. She voted for the war then was against the war. Now as president she is going to bring the troops home if elected. wait last I heard she said they would need to stay there a while. Not real sure what she is thinking
Iowa needs to give her a clear wake up call. Let's put a end to the Clinton's mess.
NO HILLARY in '08 or...EVER!
Les
Your ignorance of Pakistani politics is understandable and no big deal. Hillary's ignorance, especially with her being the smartest women in the world, as well as all the other phony platitudes being thrown at her, is a big Big deal. Goes to show you how duplicitous she really is. Quit defending her and take off your blinders, there are far more better qualified candidates out there to choose from. Even the Democrats have a couple, however they aren't in the top three.
You still have time to smarten-up!
Q: Why are the political leanings of Wolf Blitzer not tagged when those of another journalist Thomas Houlahan are?
Do we need another Clinton Administration.....hmmm lets see I dont think America can handle no debt and a surplus of money and high employment rates and oh yeah a stable economy, and lets not forget the way Clinton blatantly had good relations and standings in almost every country around the world. America cant handle responsibility to its country like that. We need to make sure that we bring Change, yeah thats it Change. HAHAHA.
JUST WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE EXPECT ! ! ! you act surprised that this greedy idiot does'nt have a clue as to what the big picture really is . and i figure you will be surpised when this country falls 2 yrs after you elect her .....WAKE THE _ _ Ck up AMERICA....
I've known Joe Biden since he first ran for the Senate. He's head and shoulders more qualified than any other candidate, Republican or Democrat, to hold the presidency.
We've lost our credibility, our respect and our standing in regard to foreign policy. Biden warned us about North Korea, Iran, Iraq and Pakistan long before anyone took them seriously. His expertise is what we need today to regain our standing in international affairs. He's worked for Democrat and Republican administrations as an emmisary to foreign leaders in times of crisis countless times. He's got the credentials and the knowlege to work with Congress on any subject you can think of. He's supported cops, firefighters, local governments and countless others in is time in office. Does he put his foot in his mouth once in a while? Sure! That shows he's human and he admits it. We need someone at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue whom we can count on as a leader, not just to tout the party line. If the "mainstream media" hadn't crowned the three front-runners in each party as the leaders in the race, Biden would have been head and shoulders ahead of all of them combined. I hope the Iowa Caucuses propel him into the leadership role we all deserve.
Petulant P
Well said! The Democrats did have someone, but they cast him aside because he wasn't loony enogh for them. His name, oh yea – it's Joe Lieberman.
He may have been a liberal in most cases, but he always was an HONEST liberal.
Pakistan political system is similar to Iraq under Saddam. It has a strong president controlling the military and a weak parliament lead by a prime minister of the majority party. Hillary has met with Bhutto many times in Pakistan and elsewhere. Only a dishonest person or a fool would say that she does not fully understand their system of government.
Hillary said there should be an international investigation of the assassination. Obama disagreed and when Pakistan also disagreed, Obama said this showed he was right. I do not remember Biden supporting Hillary and I assume he agreed with Obama. We now learn that Pakistan has agreed to a Scotland Yard investigation. So, Hillary was RIGHT. Obama and Biden were WRONG.
Biden has little chance of winning the nomination. Does he prefer Obama who spoke of the “President” of Canada, which any grade school graduate should know has a “Prime Minister” as its leader, and among other gaffs, caused riots in Pakistan by saying he might invade Pakistan to get at Osama. Biden once said that he agreed that Obama most significant experience was that as a child living in Indonesia. It seems Biden prefers Obama to the possibility of a woman president.
Still think that everyone should be able to vote?!?!
We need a test, a quiz, to ensure that morons like this do NOT ever get elected.
This is a nation on the fringe, we need a real professional leader, not some college republican club leader.... oh yeah, she was last "president" of the young republicans in college. Bwahahahahaha.
Hillary doesn't even know how to raise a kid, nevermind how to run a country. But on the other hand, she will have an expert on hand to avoid any legal prosecution of criminal acts comitted by her during her presidency if elected, so I guess it's a trade off...
Let's see...4 hours have elasped since this ticker was posted and no response from Hillary's campaign yet....the countdown is on!
- Obama wants to invade Pakistan.
- Hillary wants to force new elections on Pakistan.
- Edwards wants to impose leftist feel-good controls on Pakistan politics.
All this directed at a nation that is politically unstable, ruled tenuously by the only non-IslamoFascist faction available, and armed to the teeth with nukes and long range missiles.
Heaven help us from the Democrats – they WILL start WWIII if given the chance.
Considering that our current President probably wouldn't be able to find Pakistan on a map, I think that Hillary Clinton has absolutely NOTHING to worry about.
Biden is a sore loser. Hillary was just using shorthand . She obviously meant his political party, not him personally. As a close friend of Benazir Bhutto, she understands all the ins and outs of Pakistani politics. Who could think that she didn't know that Musharraf had already been elected president? Not me.
What is the gaffe here? Musharraf was selected this year but not legitimately. Yes, this is a parliamentary election and the parliament is supposed to then select the executive. That is why Bhutto was campaigning, right?
She never admits mistakes, like Bush. She won't admit her vote for the Iraq war was a mistake or her vote for Kyle-Lieberman. I read the papers everyday and I knew that Musahrif had already been re-elected in October. Joe Biden should be Secretary of State. I believe this is the job he truly wants and that he would be excellent at it. Obama is the one to lead us, both nationally and internationally. I am so glad that her "experience" and "we can't afford to make a mistake now" themes have been shot full of holes.
So???
We live in America not Pakistan.
Who cares what a "wannabee" President has to say–it's the person in the Oval Office who speaks for us.
This just demonstrates how irrlevant Biden and Clinton are–obviously, even though "chicken little" said she "did a bad"....literally nothing, nobody, anything,,,,was impacted by her lack of knowledge or tact.
Vote John Edwards–honesty is always the best policy–especially in foreign relations.
Biden, who makes his own share of gaffs, is too much of a windbag to be Pres. He would be wasted as VP candidate. He would be a great coice for Sec of State in the Obama Administration.
Several commentors have indicated that the average "Joe Blow" voter on the street wouldn't understand Pakistan Politics anyway, (In so many words), thereby suggesting Hillary get a pass. The point is, not every "Joe Blow" is running to lead the country as President. So she doesn't deserve a pass any more than she deserves to be President.
John K. Ormond florida
Happy to see other candidates putting focus on the success of the USA. Hillary is unfit to be President, not because she's a woman, I'm all for a woman President but she must be qualified and her creditability but be intact... Hillary has neither...
In defense of Senator Clinton, everyone makes mistakes.
The more important question is do we want our future President to be making mistakes like these?
Please, Joe, Shut it!
This is a false controversy since if Musharraf's party looses he will be lucky to have any authority at all in Pakistan.
His position there will be far more than a lame duck...he may even be toast.
So, hats off to Hillary and a nod to Joe. They are both right.
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Well the Hillary keeps telling us that she is “Ready to lead — day one.” But where?
She obviously has to consult a focus group before she says anything. And she is so unsure of herself that she stopped taking questions from Americans or the press till after the hawkeye caukie.
Be forewarned, a Hillary presidency will be the same. No questions about anything she has not approved in advance. then again with her record for honesty... we are talking a practice in futility anyway... if we expect anything that resembles the truth that is.
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Hillary has been touting that she is the only one with the experience to be up to speed from day one. So after she gets sworn in as President, will she then wait for Pakistan to hold their Presidential election, that has already been held. She is really starting to fall apart. Just amazing that she actually sounds just as clueless about foreign affairs as Mike Huckabee. Must be something about Arkansas that makes their political leaders so clueless. Both the Clintons and Huckabee come from a place called Hopeless.
Oh how I love you NeoCons. And your short memories. Don't you remember? You are the ones who gave her credit for the Presidency in the '90s. The bumper stickers that read "Don't blame me. I didn't vote for her...or him" Ah yes what a gut buster that was. But there you all were claiming that Hillary was the "real" power of the Clintons. Now your saying she hasNO expierience. And as for this situation. How much do you need to know about a country before you start droppping bombs on it. C'mon NeoCons (which I mean New Con artists when I say that) WWIII is showing signs of slowing down. You need to stay on message and mobilize your base if you wanna get rid of these darkies who speak in dirty tounges. Attack Hillary where she is weakest.....shes to much of a centerist.
Hillary can't comprehend basic foreign policy matters. Obama says we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, but should invade Pakistan since they're too reluctant an ally. Biden is better-qualified, and will lose the Dim nomination for that very reason. Any of the Repugnican contenders (and I don't like Romney!) is a saner choice than Hillarious, Osama Hussein Barak, or, lastly, the Breck girl with his plan for Iraq "coitus interruptus" as a goal unto itself.
If this were a bible class I would have referred to this portion:
"O foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you..."
Is there really a soul on this planet, let alone in USA, that is willing to stick out their neck with the Clintons?
Once a liar, always a liar and forever a liar!
Don't expect anything less than whole and complete LIES from the flop queen.
I guess this is what you get with an "experienced" politician, someone who makes things up as she goes along not really knowing the facts, isn't she the one that didn't read intel reports before she voted for the Iraq war?. Ready to lead day one? not hardly.
Bill, OHIO January 2, 2008 11:34 am ET
All you Clinton Haters…why don't you grow up and start using your brains. Your petty nit-picking is the core of whats wrong with American poloitics. NOBODY is perfect and whoever YOU are voting for isn't either…and they WILL slip up occasionally as humans do. Hillary knows whats best for America and not maintaining an A+ grade in Pakistani History while fighting the battle of her life can be easily forgiven. When she messes upon AMERICAN history and events, then she should go home. In the meanwhile, she is by FAR still the best person for the job of President.
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They pick on Hillary for the simple reason Obama is the LEAST QUALIFIED among all democratic candidates running for nomination. Even Obama himself NEVER talk about his accomplishments, he has nothing to show. The p;atform of Barack Hussein Obama is identical with Bush when he was running for President in 2000. Like Bush, Obama is also an EMPTY SUIT. Obama is busy diverting the attention of the American people from his track record, if people can ONLY see how he cast his vote in the US Senate, they'd be surprise to find out, Obama is on the far right of Bush.
Here's a URL for anyone to read how Hillary and Obama cast their vote:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/mar/29/comparison_of_hillary_and_obama_votes_on_iraq
Hillary has my vote and other members of my family. We base our vote on ISSUES, EXPERIENCE and TRACK RECORD. They call Hillary polarizing, a great President was accused of the same thing (FDR) those that hated him called him a "commie." Hillary like FDR is a moderate, the best way to lead for ANY President regardless of political affiliation is to stay at the center to be an effective leader. Bush Jr., is an extreme rightwing, look what happen to our country.
I don't want a far right or far left President, I want a moderate President, that's the only a President can govern effectively.
Really Hillary......So this is the Experience you are talking about huh??????Anybody but Clinton in 08
Biden's wrong himself – Musharraf was in the presidential elections in October, not "6 months ago", and it wasn't until Musharraf fired the Supreme Court and appointed a new one in November that his illegal participation in the presidential election was approved.
So much for smart alecks and gotcha politics.
I am one of the undecided voters – highly unusual for me this late in the process. After studying the candidates, I had already made up my mind that Hillary was low on the totem pole. Not because she's a woman and not because she has high negatives (although the latter does concern me), but because I do not like her stands on the issues.
I have narrowed the field down to 4 candidates – Edwards, Biden, Dodd and Kucinich. I like Kucinich's stand on the issues best, but I don't think he has a chance. He just isn't presidential. So that leaves the other three.
Recent events in Pakistan highlight the need for foreign policy experience. When you make that a major consideration, 2 names come to the forefront – Biden and Richardson. Since Richardson doesn't match well with me on the issues, that means I'm taking a lot harder look at Biden. Add recent events in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Kenya, Russia, Korea and China and foreign policy is far more important than most people realize.
The fact that Mrs. Clinton made this gaffe and Mr. Biden did not, is not something to be brushed away lightly. I just don't think she's as "experienced" as her campaign would have us believe. She is a second term senator and that's pretty much the sum of it.
The most vital aspects of this story are (a) Hillary's talent for lying to the people and (b) the mainstream media's minimization of her gaffe. Look, the libs' anti-Bush mantras are already failing to provide voter traction. This nation is looking forward, not backward.
Put yourself in the minds of the terrorists–you know, the ones who'd love to blow up a few US cities with Ukraine's missing suitcase nukes? The ones we have on the run, but they're still there waiting for us to miss a beat? We have to understand them to defeat them.
If you are Al-Qaeda, who do YOU want as President? Honest answer is, "A Democrat–hopefully not Biden, but he's better than any Republican." In the 04 election, Al Qaeda sided with the Democratic party openly. This year we can't count on them to make things so obvious for us. Look, I am not a Republican, but I'm not insane. We can't afford to elect anyone from the Party of Military Self-Defeat, till Al Qaeda is finally put down. Sept. 11 was just 6 years ago, not 100. Don't give up so quickly, America. Show 'em some backbone!
This doesn't surprise anyone. Clinton has zero experience. According to Dick Morris, after the hillary-care fiasco, bill banned her from everything and sent her to foreign countries to shake hands so she wouldn't cause more damage. No wonder her "experience" is locked away and she refuses to unlock it, she has none!
Quite frankly, Americans have become incredibly passive and expect next to nothing from their Presidential candidates. NONE of the Democratic or Republican candidates are qualified to lead us at this critical juncture. Gore 2008!
I admit that I am a politcal junky. I watch CNN and FOX NEWS. I am independent in my voting record, voting for Republicans and Democrats in the past. I have visited all of the candidates websites. I have not made up my mind on a candidate. This week I have watched CSPAN. They have covered all of the canidates in Iowa. There is no commentary, just the canidates speaking. Last night I watched Glenn Beck interview Ron Paul.
FOX is very biased in their reporting, but they admit that they are the Republican New channel. I am very disapointed in CNN. I watched Blitzer interview HRC when she made the big announcement that she was calling on Pakistan to allow and independent investigation into Bhutto's assasination, and he did not mention that John Edwards had called Musharaf and asked that he have an independent investigation the day before. HRC was acting like this was her idea.
Let's face it people, there is not one front leading canidate on either party that has real foreign policy experience. Granted, several have visited other countries, but none have been in a position to make the decisions that they all are claiming to be able to make. That said, then I feel we all need to look at how they go about making decisions. Not only foreign policy decisions, but decisions about how to improve Washington so that Congress and the next President will be able to work together and get something done.
If we are to look at their experience, then it is very important to actually look at how they work with the other party to accomplish what "We the People" want done to turn this country around. I am HRC's age, and so I lived through the same things she did. I had great hope for the country when her husband was elected, but I also remember how she handle the Health Care issue, and it was disastorous. She did not work across party lines, like she is trying to tell everyone that she does. She is someone that has been running for President for the past 7 years, and touts that she has the most foreign policy experience, has the best advisors at her side, and knows how to get things done from "Day One" The problem with this latest mistatement, is that I even knew that Masharaf had been elected and this upcoming election was to elect a Prime Minister and Parliment. So much for knowing the right people and having the best advisors.
Bill had no foreign policy experience, nor did George W. Bush. George Senior did, and he decided to stay out of Iraq, even at the dismay of the neocons that wanted him to take out Saddam when we freed Kuwait. Rudy handled the cleanup, but that doesn't give him foriegn policy experience. Romney traveled to other countries to set up businesses, but that is not foreign policy experience, that is big business experience, and CEO's look at their bottom line, not how their decisions affect American citizens. All of the Senators write bills, but have not had to make decisions daily about what will affect all of us for years to come. All of the governors ran states, and had to balance the budget, so that gives them more experience in working across party lines if they had to work with the party other than their own to get what they wanted, but that certainly is not foreign policy experience.
I think that this election will be based on character more than any election in recent history. This country can not continue the "go it alone" policy, and think that we will even have a country in 50 years. Most people think that we are a strong, unbeatable country, but if we do not pull together now, we are in grave danger of being extinct. We may be more than 200 years old, but in the history of the world, that is relatively young.
I have not decided on which canidate to back, they all have flaws. Some more than others, but my decision will be the one that I think can work across party lines, can prove that their record is what they say it is, and has the character that will be able to work with other countries, and take us forward as the country that is the leader that we used to be for human rights and democracy.
Gee, sounds like Laura Bush should be the frontrunner. After all, she has the most recent 8 years experience as a president's wife.
Please, Let us remember that George W. Bush had never been to an African, Asian, or Latin American country prior to his stealing the election. During the
first campaign he repeatedly misunderstood and mispronounced names of
countries or continents
Let's give a little room in this non stop, whirl of last minute campaigning. All of the major democratic candidates are smarter and more intuitively knowledgable than
Bush is even after 7 years in the W. House....
I am a Republican and, as you might expect, I do not like Hillary very much. But to be fair to her I may admit that our Republican gang is not very competent either. No wonder we have so many foreign policies snafu's. Examples: Condoleezza Rice did not know about Al-Qaeda before Sep.11. Another gaff: In her interview to 'Time' she said that Taliban is 'in bed' with Iran (actually they were bitter enemies, Iran at some point even considered punitive military raid to Afghanistan). Some highest ‘brass’ in our intelligent agencies was caught of not knowing the difference between Sunnis and Shiites. Current Press Secretary Dana Perino did not know anything about Cuban Crisis, etc. So Hillary is not alone!
It would seem Ms. Hillary is a lot better informed on the subjects that really matter: Obama declaring his candidacy for President in Kindergarten and his past use of drugs.
We can also not forget that, just after Bhutto's assassination, Clinton verbally assaulted the Musharraf government in hintng at his corruption, his complicity in the attack and demands for an outside investigation, rather than condemning the Al Qaeda and Taliban terrorists who killed Bhutto and have attempted to assassinate Musharraf himself on several occasions.
Somebody made a very good point that today's situation in Pakistan is not unlike that in pre-1979 Iran, when President Carter force-fed the Shah reforms and measures that only guaranteed the ascendance of Khomeini and the dominance of radical Islam in Iran.
However unpalatable an ally Musharraf is, the alternative would be far worse. How is it that I as an ordinary citizen know all this, but Hillary doesn't?
How does the New York Democrat get Musharraf's PARTY, not himself (Musharraf) in particular, out of Hillary's "If President Musharraf wishs to stand for election...."?????????
And the Clinton campaign wasn't available for comment yesterday.
So they only make themselves available when its convienent.
John Edwards, Honest?! A personal injury lawyer honest? Man oh man, you must have had a big glass of the kool-aid.
That is the difference not only in IQ but also between 'experience' and experience.
WHY DONSN"T HE BLAME HILLARY FOR HIS FIRST WIFE AND DAUGHTER'S TRAGIC ACCIDENT TOO?
Biden is just another political "lifer" who thinks he knows what's going on and has nothing to show for all of his "experience" but rhetoric.He's been on committee's,been on the talk-show and media circuit so long he's almost become "MAX HEADROOM" and speaks political doubletalk so fluidly that he probably couldn't hold a conversation in any other language including day-to-day english.You'd think this guy would have learned something about campaign smear tactics when his run at the presidency way back in 1988 ended because of it.
1988 PEOPLE!This guy is a professional politician whose only real "experience" has been constantly running for election!This is his third try at the whitehouse and is a 6 term senator so do the math.With 2 full years of campaigning necessary he has spent 18 full years just running for office.Some experience.
Obama wasn't even close to being the first to point out that Pakistan was a problem that was being ignored.There have been literally hundreds of other politicians that have pointed this out for several years now but all of THEM have been ignored.Obama is the new kid on the block that is trying to fit in by bragging about things he wasn't the first to do.He's just another politician that has invented a political persona to try and get votes.He's been doing nothing but blowing smoke up our butts about "new ideas" that have been around for years.
Just goes to show that her "preparedness" to be President is a myth. I love how her campaign tried to spin it.
She is a joke. She has done nothing in this world that tells me she is ready to be Pres.
Woopty. She was first lady. Is Laura Bush ready for the Presidency?
She is a Senator. Can anyone name any of her key legislation?
She is riding Hubby's coat tails.
If the Democrats expect to win the White House, they have only one chance, Hillary Clinton
Obama doesn't have a Prayer.
Can you imagine a Obama cabinet?
Jesse Jackson
Oprah....... etc
I seriously wonder how many of the candidates could even find Pakistan on an unmarked map!
The Republicans all seem to be blissfully naïve and the Democrats are all blithering idiots when it comes to foreign policy.
Either way somebody is probably going to screw things up when they get elected.
I thought it was telling that CNN put Hillary on for that long and let her pretend to be the expert on a subject she obviously knows nothing about. They clearly are trying to get Hillary elected. Then you have FOX and ABC dropping certain candidates from debates. It would be nice if we could elect our officials instead of the media.
Jon wrote:
"Do we need another Clinton Administration…..hmmm lets see I dont think America can handle no debt and a surplus of money”
Apparently, Jon doesn't understand the difference between a deficit and debt.
The US ran a surplus, not a deficit during some of the Clinton years, due mostly to the surging economy that started too late to help Bush 41 be re-elected. Also, Clinton was dealing with a Republican House and Senate that helped reign in spending.
However, the country was still in debt when Clinton left office.
Wait... I am not sure if Parvez the prez does have a party. He is supported by the Muslim League, but does he really have a party?
GN
I am failed to understand why these candidates are so interested in Pakistan. There are so many countries in the world, muslim and non muslim, developed and under developed, rich and poor. Then why Pakistan? Is it because Pakistan is a poor, under developed, muslim NUCLEAR power????
Unbelievable! I'm just a normal guy who reads the newspaper, surfs the internet and follows politics on a casual basis. However, as Pakistan is so critical to our nation's safety and the defeat of Islamic fascism, even I knew that the elections were for Parliament? I wonder if the pending First Lady knew the difference when he was President? Heaven help us if the former strong Democratic Party of JFK and FDR which has now become the lunatic left wing "Surrender" at all costs party gets elected. Invest in bomb shelter companies again...
Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Hillary E. Coyote – Super Genius
So I guess this is some of the "experience" we keep hearing she is going to bring to the White House...
Musharraf "is" on the ballot; nor his party "is" on the ballot...I guess it depends on what your definition of "is" is!
I am not surprised at the gaps in understanding the political scenario in pakistan by these two leaders. They just reflect majority of Americans who hardly know any thing beyond the 50 states.
Joe who ? Whatshisname Edwards ?
You people are dreaming if you think the Democratic candidate in November will be named anything other than "Clinton". I don't like her, and I sure as hell don't want to vote for her, but I'm a realist.
wow, this is pathetic... isn't it?
it just goes to show how serious the situation is. we truly need a leader who is intelligent and understands how government works. i know of a certain Texan who would be absolutely perfect for the job, in fact he's a doctor and extremely smart!
Yeah – Ron Paul 2008!
Why are my fellow Democrats supporting Hillary Clinton?! Please educate yourself on the candidates' stances. Clinton should be losing by a landslide if folks were actually looking at what the Democrat candidates stand for.
Edwards '08! Obama VP running mate! With Clinton, we're no better than the Republicans we scoffed at for re-electing Bush.
Several people here say that most Americans don't know the difference or even where Pakistan is...BUT most Americans aren't running for President! That's why we elect representatives who ARE supposed to know these things...and if they don't, they don't deserve our vote!
If Edwards, Obama, or Clinton get the nomination, I'll be tempted to vote for the Republican. Edwards thinks that the Great Depression hasn't ended yet, Obama talks about change, but how is he going to accomplish anything if his positions are extremely liberal. This country won't ever be united by anyone someone in the hard left or hard right. And Mrs. Clinton, as Obama said tea parties don't count as experience. Furthermore, what did she do as first lady or has done as Senator? Nothing! She's just been running for President all along. None of this individuals are qualified. Making millions as lawyer, attending Harvard law school, or being first lady doesn't qualify you to be president.
If McCain gets the Republican nomination, I'll vote for him instead.
ONLY HOPE
HILLARY 08
she was right in saying he was on the ballot as expressed in the clinton camp's reply. When we had 06 election the media kept saying bush is on the ballot. i.e. his term, his stances , his party...
way too much parsing and gotcha is going on here... kinda insulting to the intelligence of us voters.
Senator Biden,
You would be my second choice after Barack Obama. I think you are a very knowledgeable fellow, less divisive than Hillary and I certainly would mind seeing you in the White House. However, Barack Obama is someone who has the potential to bring the country together, reach out to many young people, get them engaged, and I think this is what we need right now – young people who starts caring for their country and getting engaged because Obama gives them hope. Many people have become cynical and become disengaged. You don't seem to have that kind of traction.
Of course Hillary is an idiot, but that doesn't make her any different than the rest of the motley crew that feel the need to run our lives. They're all idiots!
They're all "experts" just ask them!
Folks, it should not matter that the political class are all idiots as long as the graft and corruption that elects them is relatively small.
Unfortunetrly these political crime families have the power of life and death over us and that must change...we need a revolution. These people cannot be fixed
It is very unfair of Mr. Biden to question Hillary on any foreign relations matter since Hillary is allowed to make a very simple mistake once in a while. She is right 98.7% of the time, like Rush.
Hey, Merlisa, get this, for all his great "experience," Obama can't even be bothered to show up to vote in the Senate because in his first term there he is too busy running for president. In the Illinois legislature Obama frequently voted "present" rather than commit to "yes" or "no" votes on politically charged issues. We don't need more insiders like Biden, Clinton and we don't need a superficial smoothtalker like Obama. You can deride John Edwards by calling him an "ambulance chaser," but the fact is he is one of the few candidates who has actually taken concrete actions to help citizens both in the courtroom and outside of it.
HOW GOOD HAVE THE PAST 7 YEARS BEEN.....
hILLARY HAS MORE BRAINS IN HER LITTLE FINGER THAN BUSH/CHENY COMBINED
HILLARY 08
Why Biden isn’t in the top tier just keeps blowing my mind. This guy always seems to know what he's talking about but for some reason is ignored. Amazing.. I guess it is about the money in this country!! Wakeup Iowa
Somehow, someway..........it's Bush's fault that Mrs. Clinton doesn't understand what is happening in Pakistan.
Hillary messed-up on one small detail. So what! She's still the smartest candidate out there. She makes Mitt Romney look like a third-grader. Biden is just picking on her because she's a woman. So is Obama. They hate her because she's smart. She's so smart that they want to smear her and deny her destiny to rule the world. There is a good reason she's running for President, and that is because she is so smart there's no other job good enough for someone with her brains. She and Bill will be the world's smartest rulers. I trust them to rule over me and my 12 kids because they will give me the profits from the drug and oil companies. They will put a stop to corporate greed by giving us all the corporate money. Now, that's smart! Woo hoo! I love smart people like that. They really care and that's all that matters. Go Hill!!!!!!!! Woo hoo!!! Go beat those mean republican children haters.
Pakistan is a nuclear power that is going through internal struggle and for Clinton to not understand whom the leader is or the political sitcom there gives me the willies thinking of the mistakes she would make as President.
Remember her absurd health care failure when Bill was president?
What a waste of time and effort.
We would get the same were she elected but likely worse as the world is a much more dangerous place now then back when her husband was in the White House.
She should do the world a flavor and go back to baking cookies.
Oh, I wonder who will get the ax from Hillary on THIS one! Somebody's BOUND to be going home, even though the words came straight out of her own mouth!!!!! You watch, she'll NEVER admit that she didn't know. Never! She'll make up some lie – AGAIN – to cover her butt.
There was NO gaffe.
In a parlimentary government, one votes for the party, NOT the person. However, each party does have a party LEADER. Therefore, the party and the person are interchangeable (i.e., Tony Blair was never on the ballot however everyone spoke as if he was, or, as if the election was a referendum on his government).
I can't believe Biden would stoop this low, to call out Hillary on this, just to make news for himself knowing that he will most likely not even be viable. That's just wrong. Iowa voters, please see through this nonsense.
melane January 2, 2008 11:35 am ET
"This is just another example of male gender bias. I dont care if she doesnt know where Pakistan is ...."
Melane -> Uh, I hope you're not serious or, even worse, that you are of voting age. You want Her Royal Thighness to be president but don't care where the other countries are located. My goodness, we are getting our money's worth from the Dept. Of Edchookashun, aren't we?
Melane -> Turn off your compooter, take your meds and take a nap ......
Well, we aren't really expecting a Clinton-Biden ticket on the ballot. At least, not now! Go Hillary!!
She is a fake!
And ... the preacher-man Huckabee stated, after Bhutto's assassination, we need to monitor our borders more closely because of the huge number of illegal Pakistanis entering (I believe he stated they're one of the largest populations of our illegals). Wow!!! And for him to have gone to Seminary and not know what Mormons believe!!!??? There's something that doesn't square about that guy.
Only one thing more, Oprah don't pack your Louis Vuitton for the Lincoln bedroom yet!
Is anyone out there as sick of this as I am? 24/7 all we hear is these smarmy candidates lying to us. We'll give you this or we'll give you that. What a crock! At lease Kucinich offers us some comic relief. Biden is just Biden: not the brightest bulb on the tree and he's the shallowest thinker this side of Bill Richardson. Hillary is obviously smarter than the rest of them, but do you really want to elect a smart liar again? Want another scandal-of-the-week administration? Do you really want to stare into the faces of Bill and Hill for four more years? Are your nuts? At least Obama appears to be rational and thoughtful. New ideas. Hillary has the same old, tired team of advisors from Bill's admin. Same old bunch of incompetents, such as Albright and Berger advising on foreign policy. Who needs more of that? Wake up!
The press will let the Clintons get away with any "gaffe".
You can always determine the fairness of the press if you turn the circumstances around and see if they treat a political opponent of a Democrat with the same hands off manner.
In response to the comment about Hillary or any others resigning their seat to run these LONG campaigns: None of these folks will give up a job paid by taxpayers because if they lose their election then what will they do. Hill & Bill are forever glued to the taxpayers coffers!
Go Biden!
The Hildabeast will go down in the same ball of flames from which it was concieved as the seed of Satan......The word according to Mark
Hillary is totally clueless, so much for all that Foreign relations experience she's always talking about.
I also understood it as a reference to Musharraf's party, so hundreds of posts for an idiotic thing. I respect Mr. Biden, but he is scoring cheap points with his comment. OK, he might be more articulated when it comes to foreign policy, we got this. Anything else Mr. Biden? I would be more interested on what is happening or will happen in America.
Hillary'08!
Having direct access to presidential advisors obviously doesn't translate into actual hands on experience.
The only foreign affairs experience Hillary has is when Bill slept with women from other countries.
not to worry, begala and carnville will tell her what to say to correct her error.(after they take a poll to see if dems will buy it). remember she firmly said"no" about illegals getting drivers licenses, even after she said it was a good idea for them to have them 2 days earlier. dems are very gullible.
Wake up America. Don't make the biggest mistake of your life by voting for Hillary. She pretends that her husband's presidency was basically inspired by her advices except for the stuff that didn't work out. She is arrogant.
Obama' 08
Biden has the intelligence, experience, and character to be a great president and a strong voice for America. Which would be nice since we've been sorely lacking in all these categories the last 7 years.
'Course, most voters — it can be safely said what with the two most recent presidential elections behind us — don't vote based on a candidate's intelligence, experience, or character.
It seems to matter more that we'd "like to have a beer" with him or her. And look what that has cost this country.
seems to me it would be easy not to be fully cognizent of exactly what is and is not up for elections on a ballot in a counry so far removed as pakistan. on the other hand, if ms clinton is as astute on matters of state as she claims to be, would she not be aware of who is up for election. perhaps this is an example of not being properly coached by ex-pres hubby? perhaps some humble pie is in order made from four and twenty blackbirds (crow)!
Jon, Lantana,
I like Biden and will probably vote for him. Hillary has slipped away in my mind. I dont like the fact that she is in bed with some of these corporations who lobby our congress. Foreign policy will be in dire need of repair by the time Bush is finished. It's time for an experienced statesman who knows the ropes. My dream would be a Biden/Edwards ticket.
Jon, Lantana, i read your feeble post. very ignorant. maybe you should actually take an economics class. you, as your liberal party, are a joke.
... since when does it matter if a candidate knows about the world outside the US? Bush Jr was elected without any significant such knowledge, he probably wouldn't have been able to locate Pakistan on a map when he first took office.
Being educated has never been a requirement for president in this country.
Our only hope is that this Bush has shown that we should actually care about a candidate's education, rather than elect another moron like the current one.
"Jan 2009 – a village in Texas gets his idiot back"
Kudos, Chris, for the most erudite comment of the day. We can't drive a car unless we pass a test. Ditto on most professions as well. Yet, in the two most important endeavors we have, any idiot with an I.Q of zero can participate. Voting is one and reproducing is another. If you don't think God doesn't have a sense of humor, look around you.
With the media in the hands of a few corporate giants, the American public's attention span dwindling and our school perfomance in the tank, is it any wonder we get who we get as leaders.
Biden's right on calling Clinton out on this gaffe. If she's so experienced then she should be able to get the elections right in Pakistan. That country has nuclear weapons and the ability to deliver them. They also have a bunch of terrorists in their midst. What Pakistan and world do not need is a U.S. Presidential candidate, much less a President, who isn't conversant on their matters.
Hillary, admit you goofed and let's move on. We owe Biden a debt of gratitude on this one. Experience, Hillary? What about judgement?
Spin, spin, spin.....her hubby, BJ Bil said recently she was a genius! In what? Anyone got an example. She hasn't a clue other than, I want the power and wealth and ability to steal with impunity.....that is what the "redistribution of wealth is"........when her daughter got good grades, did she encourage her to give her academic accomplishments to someone else who didn't work as hard, have as much ability, less educated, illiterate, etc.....OF COURSE NOT. This gaffe shows the tlimits of her real knowledge of the most dangerous part of the world right now......The Dems have zeroes for candidates when it comes to real knowledge and a vision for the future....Republicans aren't any better. But this broad is really dangerous.......like Forest Gump....."Stupid is as stupid does" Life is like chocolates...you don't know what you're going to get .....in her case just a soft nut..
I knew, Hillary is nothing but a empty drum...
It seems like the only two Candidates that know anything about International affairs are Joe Biden and John McCain.
I also agree with Tony Loyd about sitting politicians resigning their jobs.
Clinton is being paid to be a Senator but will have been out of the Senate for two full years by the time this is all over.
It's like NY is being deprived of a Senator.
You may not understand the Third World countries politics, as most of you have lived in the "box" all your life. Please understand the world...try to understand what is going on in other countries too. Still Musharraf is up for election because all the people on the ballot are his messangers, from his party. They are all hand picked. It is not a democratic election...as there is no true democratic election for the worldly goverment. Cheating, sabotage, and lies everywhere....remember?
Biden – you supposed to know better. Hillary is smarter than you on this one also.
Yeah, I was wondering when people would actually get an idea of Hillary's experiece (or lack of).
This is a woman who had never made a house payment until 2000!!! Never paid rent!.. oh and the State paid for her health care since the 1980's.
Really now, what REAL WORLD experience does she have? never had a job, never had to make payroll, never had to come up with insurance premiums....
Oh yes... we sure need a man like John Edwards. He's "honest." Like when he talks about there being two Americas, one rich, the other poor. Of course, his wealth is in the 9 FIGURES and he lives in a home the size of Rhode Island. Which, by the way, he made chasing ambulances and by suing a doctor for inducing Multiple Sclerosis in a baby – by the way he delivered it! The fact that MS is 100% genetically transmitted didn't stand in the way of a judgment worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and which ended up bankrupting three hospitals and God knows how many physicians. All in a day's work for that lying, despicable SOB. HOW CAN DEMOCRATS BE SO STUPID AS TO SUPPORT THIS TRANSPARENT, UTTERLY PHONY CARICATURE OF A PRESIDENTIAL WANNABE? It's a disgrace that any Americans can be either so ignorant or else so politically desperate that they would want to see this fraud elected. What has our country come to when this level of hypocrisy is not only ignored, but actually condoned?
She is really starting to lose it as I thought she might. Just like when she said that she was on that dangerous mission which turned out to include Sheryl Crowe and Chelsea. When you don't write the books attributed to you, and barely read them, it is impossible to remember everything but to feign an emotional response is just too much when it turns out to be a little fib.
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Ken, NYC January 2, 2008 11:22 am ET
Raman, yes, I saw the article on Scotland Yard ...(and that the ISI is funded by the CIA and in turn both agencies created al-Queda).
*****
There is no way US/CIA or Al-Queada involved in this attack. Al-Queada will not break its oath to not harm a woman, so safely Al-Queda is not involved. CIA is not involved because our leadership from Pres. G.W.Bush to democrats had stake in Butto's win.
Anyone who kills a national figure of Butto's stature will be labeled a terrorist instead of a simple murderer.
The killers are among groups of Madrasa operators in Pakistan, who are staunchly opposed to Butto's leadership. Now Pres. Musharraf's only participation in this incident is that he has allowed Madrasa operators to operate with impunity in Pakistan.
Scotland Yard's involment (a UK agency of US ally) is to allay doubts in Pakistanis that Pres. Musharraf and by extension US is not involved in this incident. It is highly doubtful that Scotland Yard will be able to pinpoint the particular Madrasa Leadship who actually carried out this shooting.
Question is why didn't Wolf Blitzer know this as well?????
The Democrats wouldn't know Pakistan from Kreplachistan. No wonder Bill Clinton did nothing about bin Laden for eight years.
Let's remind ourselves of Hillary's international experience (here are just a few:) Sen. Clinton is the only First Lady to have addressed The United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Affairs and the World Economic Forum, building on and expanding the work begun by her great heroine, Eleanor Rooseveld. She is widely credited with providing the vital push to women getting the vote. In the fledgling state of Slovakia, she fought for civil rights. In South Africa, she was there for that country's first free and fair elections. In Northern Ireland, she is credited with using her personal offices and great persuasion and charm to hasten the Good Friday Agreement. Her speech at the U.N. 4th World Conference in Beijing, China, were cited as a milestone for democracy. All this has peviously been dismissed as a series of "tea parties" by her detractors.
Thomas Houlahan is a conservative?
How does Mr. Moony know? Does he always stick a label on people like that? I don't recall him ever warning me that a particular writer was liberal.
Where's Craig Livingstone?
I knew,
that is why I am voting for Obama because he is a smart guy!
I am in hysterics over the stupid, idiotic, assinine comments made for the socialist democrats you are extolling for our next president. Do you actually believe that any of them could handle another 9/11 disaster? Joe Biden. ridiculous. Obama; babe in the woods. Edwards:: hasn't made one cogent argument in his favor. Hillary: only males that sit down to pee should vote for her. Any republican will destroy your chosen one.
Thomas Houlahan is a conservative?
How does Mr. Moony know? Does he always stick a label on people like that? I don't recall him ever warning me that a particular writer was liberal.
Where's Craig Livingstone?
This what Hillary said:
Clinton's comments came in an interview with ABC Sunday, in which she said, "[Musharraf] could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election."
There is no mistaking what she said. She was saying that Musharraf will be on the ballot. She must not have noticed all the news about Musharraf recently recently having to remove his General's Military uniform, just before he got sworn in for a new term as President of Pakistan.
Hillary is the one who was claiming that Obama's remarks about Pakistan showed that he was not up to the job, and that words count on the world stage. Well, yes they do Hillary, and you just revealed how unprepared and uninformed you really are. There goes your much touted experience claim. You sound just as unaware of foreign affairs as your fellow Arkansan, Mike Huckabee.
Bush was asked by Andy Hiller in Boston, "Who was the President of Pakistan?" Bush didn't have a clue. I bet Bush knows now. Point is, no matter who you elect, they should know within 24 hours of a news cycle, who the players are. If you were smart, you'd have one of your staff people call J. Biden before you commented on anything outside of the US boarder.
Come on. everyone knows that Hillary will do a much better Job than Bush has on these issues. heck i think Forrest Gump could have done better than Bush has. anyway she will be a great choice for the american people. i hope the people wake up this year and vote for her. the last 2 elections were a mistake.
For over a decade we have been told by nearly everyone in the media that Hillary is the smartest woman on Earth. Even Billy boy has called her a genius. The fact of the matter is that Hillary is no genius. I hesitate to even say she is smart. If someone can give me one example, just one, of her genius I'd love to hear it, because after looking at her record she has no accomplishments worth stating. Oh I'm sorry ... she has one big accomplishment ... riding the coattails of an extremely successful husband.
The present Democrat party deserves Hillary Clinton for being so easily fooled by her and the current leadership of the Party.
Ok I get now loud and clear. So Hillary Rodham Clinton has no foreign policy experience and she is not respected around the world and she is stupid and ignorant and that is why late Ms. Benazir Bhutto herself wanted to give the "secret documents" that she she wrote just before her assasination only to Senator HIllary Clinton and Senator Joe Biden explaining what is happening in Pakistan.
And Barack Hussein Obama is the most qualified in foreign policy beacuse of his childhood days in a muslim country.... Wow what a brilliant assesment. Good for you America.
Joe Biden is the most Knowledgable and Experienced of all the Candidates.
BIDEN NEEDS IOWA and AMERICA NEEDS JOE BIDEN !!
These clowns don't know what's going on in the US...how about taking care of ourselves first.
There is no way US/CIA or Al-Queada involved in this attack. Al-Queada will not break its oath to not harm a woman, so safely Al-Queda is not involved.
bignicholas says "any republican will destroy your chosen one"
hey buddy, check out the polls, which consistently show Obama beating ALL 5 major Republican candidates in head-to-head matchups.
The idea that any of the Democratic candidates "couldn't handle" a 9/11 is preposterous. Just because George Bush is a tough-talking ignorant cowboy doesn't mean he did a "good job" with 9/11. We need a diplomatic leader who will actually help enhance our image with the rest of the world. People like Bush only deepen hatred for America and increase the chances of another horrible attack.
"and expanding the work begun by her great heroine, Eleanor Rooseveld. She is widely credited with providing the vital push to women getting the vote."
First, it is Eleanor ROOSEVELT. Second, women got the vote in 1920. Eleanor Roosevelt was First Lady from 1933-1945.
Why can't Democrats actually say something without lying, making things up, or faking it?
First of all, OpraBama wasn't even in the Senate to 'vote against' the Iraqi issue.
This guy's a carpetbagger.
All talk and no walk.
Hillary on the other hand has the experience, ability and credentials to be a great President, and the people of Iowa will recognize that fact and make her the frontrunner going into the New Hampshire caucus.
I liken the choice of picking Barak OpraBama in the caucus process to a parent declaring their own incompetence and allowing their 20 year old the management of all current and future financial and strategic family matters.
The parent's rational is that the 20 year old has the experience of 2 years in the 'real world' and has a vision for the future.
Never mind that that 'vision' is an Igloo Export business based in Chignik, Alaska with exports to the lower 48!
Come on, get real and let's caucus for someone who has a record of public service and proven accomplishments.
Hillary Clinton is that person.
From the Politico:
Hillary on the press bus
Hillary stepped onto the parked press bus in Indianola for about 90 seconds to deliver bagels and coffee, and I'm not sure what this says about Clinton and the press — the chill, I think, comes from both sides — but it was a strange moment. She expressed her sympathies that we're away from our families and "significant others," tried a joke at the expense of her press secretary, and paused. Nobody even shouted a question, whether because of the surprise, the assumption that she wouldn't actually answer, or the sheer desire to end the encounter.
One reporter compared the awkwardness to running unexpectedly into an ex-girlfriend.
"Maybe we should go outside and warm up," said another, as Clinton exited into the freezing air.
Keep people from Arkansas out of politics!
bignicholas***pull your head out of the wood chipper and tell us whom you voted for last election??LMAO
Tedash, you should perhaps do your homework. Hiller aske Bush about Chechnea (sp?) Bsuh said he didnt know. Hiller then aske about Taiwan and Bush knew,. Hiller then asked about pakistan (a month after Mushareff took over) and Bush refused correctly in my view to answer.
Should we ask every Presdiential candidate to name every world leader and make that a prerequisite for becoming Presidnet? Good luck. You can even get the story right and you had the luxury of looking it up.I guess that would disqualify you.
And aside from her lack of experience, she is a sneaky snake, a corporate hoe-bag, and will screw the country into believing her Magic Healthcare pill.
I broke my collar bone in in London, UK (national Health) – absolutely the worst medical experience of my life...
Just look at her! Does she look like a pleasant person? Or does she look like a used car salesman? (Swampland Real Estate Sales maybe?)
Her husband had charisma and verve, she does not.
Hillary. don't listen to these naysayers...probably members of the vast right wing conspiracy. the secret to winning in Iowa is honesty and fair dealing. keep faking it and you've got it made.
One thing you can say for certain about Hillary. She IS absolutely divisive!
Hillary's gaffe wouldn't be that bad, except that she's being sold to us as the smartest woman in the world. I'm conservative, so I admit that I'm biased against her at the start, but even so I find her very easy to dislike (as opposed to Bill, who I find hard to dislike (not for any good reason; he's just skilled in the art of being affable)). Even by the low standards of politicians, Hillary's posturing is ridiculous and transparent. For example, the way she suddenly picked up a Southern accent when speaking to black folk (when confronted, she claimed to be "multilingual" (!)), and she suddenly became overtly religious ("This is the day the Lord has made!"). She's just another sleazy lying politician; just one more woman riding her husband to glory.
Hillary embodies all of the worst about the modern American woman. Vain, self-obsessed, entitled, haughty, ruthless, and above all: incompetent. This individual is a creation of the adoring main stream press. The mischief she could make as president is unimaginable. I prefer the office be left vacant for 4 years rather than have such an anti-American, one-world socialist putting us at the mercy of a UN gang of losers.
maybe when bill gets into office, he can explain the difference countries around the world to her. all she has to do is look smart, not be smart.
I love how the biggest digs on Biden are "too much experience" and the speech he supposedly plagarized in 1988 but it was later proven he cited the source on all but one occasion.
The guy is well liked in his state, speaks well (but that seems to intimidate most voters....hence we elect Bush), has concrete ideas rather than vague opinions, and he tells it like it is. I don't know why he doesn't get more air time?
i dont really see what all the fuss is about,i mean we have a total idiot in the whitehouse now who was elected by the dumbasses that are as stupid as he is, i really think they should lower the age limit on the presidential criteria, i mean a 15 yr old who is passing with an a-or b would probly have more sensible thoughts than most of the canadates in this election,well if you belive that people really get elected here, i mean if your bush you just threaten your competition out of the race,or buy votes or scheme by whatever means, what a joke,its who has the most money and is backed by the oil companys in this country who will win the so called election,, and as far as biden? another texas idiot, theres never been anyone worth having from that state,there all criminals and should be hung, just more southern mentality, and that says it all,from johnson and the now bush? nothing more than thugs in suits,,and as far as rommy,my god man if you dont think you can critisize this goverments so called leader then maby you should go get your m-16 and go to iraq for 15 mo, what an idiot,what a misguided canadate, maby the best thing that can happen is just keep on the path there on,and after the counrty is bankrupt we can start over with a 20th century goverment, it would be a good thing to start over, its qute obvious this goverment format does not work for the people,
So what if Hillary doesn't have the foreign policy experience that she claims to have? And that she is beholden to her biggest financial supporters–the corporations and special interests? And does anyone really care if she hides her white house records until After the election? My biggest concern is the cozy closet relationship the Clinton's have with the Bushs. If Bill is like a son to George Sr.,what does that make Hillary. Enough already of the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton dynasty .
Justin, Houston, TX January 2, 2008 3:25 pm ET
Let's remind ourselves of Hillary's international experience (here are just a few:) Sen. Clinton is the only First Lady to have addressed The United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Affairs and the World Economic Forum, building on and expanding the work begun by her great heroine, Eleanor Rooseveld. She is widely credited with providing the vital push to women getting the vote. In the fledgling state of Slovakia, she fought for civil rights. In South Africa, she was there for that country's first free and fair elections. In Northern Ireland, she is credited with using her personal offices and great persuasion and charm to hasten the Good Friday Agreement. Her speech at the U.N. 4th World Conference in Beijing, China, were cited as a milestone for democracy. All this has peviously been dismissed as a series of "tea parties" by her detractors.
THANK YOU JUSTIN. well said.
vote for HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON – lets make history!
And you thought George Bush was dumb? The reality of people won't care about hillary's comments because they don't have the time or the ability to understand anything other than what the idiot box tells them to think! Clinton's and the liberal control the idiot box, hence there message must be true regardless of reality? It's just more of the "Politics of Fear" Pakistan, like Iraq and the middle east , aren't the problem here anyway so why should we concern ourselves. Once we vote in Obama or Hillary to replace the Evil George Bush, the world will love us again and we can all go back to voting on important things like who'll win American Idol!
Lastly, any women who can't catch her husband cheating or surmises that his cheating doesn't matter as long as she get's the whitehouse is definitely not a good decisionmaker. Assuming she's not lacking common sense or just dumb. In hillary's case it may be all of the above. Step aside now and spare this country the sitcom, Hill and Bill return!
The idea that anyone can tout this woman as a genius is completely ridiculous. Her husband has pulled the wool over her eyes for decades, so how can we trust her judgement when dealing with world leaders with whom she has not spent the last 30 years. She can barely keep the staffers on her nacent campaign in check, so how can we even begin to believe that she can manage a Cabinet and all of their staff. I'm sure that she is an above average legal mind, the fact that she failed the DC bar exam not withstanding. I'm sure there is a place where she can serve our country if that is her desire, but it certainly should not be in the White House.
JOE FOR PRESIDENT!!!
some poor sap actually wrote "[w]e need Hilary." Need her? For what? Is there suddenly too much extra furniture in the White House that needs disposing of? Does Sandy Berger need another job shredding documents? Does Bill need Hilary to be occupied so he can run around Washington again, trying to shag everything with a hearbeat? Need Hilary, maybe this clown hasn't been thorougly disgraced by the office of the Presidency for a while, and misses that feeling.
it's interesting to note that I can tell with PRECISION which posts, following anything noted here about the Clintons, are made by Republicans. They're the ones spilling over with hatred and venom. Every time. It would appear that the Republican party has become the party of division, hatred and derision. Rush Limbaugh leads the way for them all and they bark like he barks.
It's sad, really.
Let's cut to the chase. If you had ANYTHING to do with George W. Bush getting into office TWICE - then shut the heck up, sit down and realize we'll be paying for your "brilliance" for the next several decades. If anyone in today's political debate has a reason for hatred and animosity, it's anyone who was forced to live under GW for the past eight years.
Go ahead - read through the posts. When one steams with hatred and venom - there's another person you can personally thank for how well things have gone lately.
Hillary surprises me. I mean, after all, she is a 'World Class Genius' according to her husband. How is it she didn't know Musharraf was elected in October 2007.
I guess it proves that Hillary, the 'World's smartest woman', is the 'World's Dumbest Wife'.
It's not so bad that Hillary made a mistake...THE PROBLEM IS THE COVER UP.
Saying that she meant to describe the political party's reelection, not Musharraf's election is an awful desparate spinning of the truth.
No more politicians that can't admit when a mistake has been made. Time for honest government.
Obama '08
My GOD! You all treat this like a college football game. Can't you tell when someone is just mincing words to score a got'ya? To suggest that she didn't know it was parlimentary is rediculous. She meant his party! No wonder we end up with boobs like Bush. The American electorate is totally wacked. She is exactly what we need to repair our image. She brings star power and WILL put it to good use. Obama is the biggest dissappointment to me. He is not living up to the words he uses......................hope, etc. He has demonstrated that he will play the same games he preaches against.
I find Hillary's reaction to the gaffe far more disturbing than the gaffe itself. Are we ready for another four or eight years of the spinning and evading?
Now I know who that Tom Dedham who always tried to aggravate me way back when was. It was that cow poke from NYC who was out to help me by making me angry. I reckon I'm right this time.
OPINION: NEW LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD
My choice for President and Vice president will bring the greatest change to our nation in its entire history. First and foremost, Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards do not hide their true beliefs. This is a rare quality for politicians. Secondly, it helps the entertainment industry, formerly known as the news industry. Both men show their insanity up front. It is a relief in this age of subterfuge, corruption, and bad TV sitcoms. In addition, both men hate war. They agree with the great US General and patriot, Douglas MacArthur. He hated war as well. MacArthur publicly stated his feelings on the battleship Missouri at the signing of the 1945 unconditional surrender of the Japanese Empire ending WW2. This was a few months after Germany signed their surrender as well. While the world war killed 52 million; 300,000 American dead and 300,000 American wounded, it was nice to know the USA survived.
One good thing about Dennis Kucinich is that he was born in 1946 and thus had no connection with the Greatest Generation. By golly, John Edwards, born in 1953 missed the Korean War as well. By the time, they were becoming adolescents; much of the dirty work (and sacrifice) was over. You might say that understanding war on Earth is as far from Denny and Johnny as if they were on another planet. This is another plus for these men, in that becoming the leaders of the free world (on Earth) they would have a fresh and uncluttered view of all human travails that burden us and the worldly criminal enterprises that vie for power. Imperial Japanese Destiny, Hitler’s Superman Aryan World Destiny Cult, and Communist World Destiny have been addressed. Only the Islamic World Destiny remains as an irritation to “just get along with.”
It sure is comforting to know that America has spawned men that will bring us a wonderful and entertaining future. Ether Denny or Johnny could fill the spot of Commander in Chief, with the other at his side giving new meaning for our nation, as did George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, and George W. Bush. “Attention on Deck” will soon change to “Did you bring the Brea cheese Ms Peloci?”
Jordan Alexander Orosz, theoldsailor.townhall.com
Isn't HC's explanation about the gaffe (i.e. she didn't really mean Mushareff) sounds an awful like Romney's cover when he said he didn't mean his father really marched with Martin Luther King but that Romney saw his father marching with King in his imagination.
Is there something in the genes of politicians that forces them to pile a bigger lie on top of a smaller one? Or is it simply that when they get that high up they are so surrounded by syncophants who swallow all their lies that they forget that the rest of us don't depend on our salaries from them.
By the way, the same thing holds true for high placed corporate executives, who also get quickly accustomed to the toadies around them accepting (at least on the surface) anything they say as long as the money keeps coming.
Please tell me what international experience Hillary has had since being an elected official?
First Lady fuzzy speeches don't count.
If she was setting official US foreign policy as First Lady, then she was violating the law.
Someone tell me what the New York senator has done internationally?
Anyone??????????????????????????????//
ABH (Anyone But Hilary). She may look and sound like a Cadillac on the outside but she's really ann Edsel hiding under a Yugo's skin
Come on! Hillary has the essential experience necessary for another Clinton Administration.....she was able to hide several boxes of subpoenaed evidence for over 2 years without the maids finding the stuff......she hired ex-bar-bouncer Craig Livingstone to pick through hundreds of top secret FBI background files looking for dirt on her enemies......she headed-up the private eye teams who stalked, slimed and harassed Bill's "bimbos" into silence......and, of course, there's cattle futures........perhaps no woman alive today knows as much about cattle futures as she does.
Obama in '08. This only goes to show you that she is not as smart as most of you think she is. She is not her husband, too bad we can't vote for Bill again. If she is calling the shots next year we are all in big trouble. Obama is a fresh voice. Give him a chance.
America has over 700 military bases in over 130 countries. The pentagon uses more oil than 189 different countries. America is an empire and we spend over $1 trillion per year of our childrens money maintaining the empire. Is this what we want to be as a nation? We protect Seoul better than DC or NYC. Vote for the candidate that will challenge our warfare state.
She also said a week or so ago incorrectly that Benizir's father had been assisi
nated too. He was hanged, albeit after a rigged up trial. The aging Joe Biden however lives in a glass house of blathering and egregious speech plagarism. Enough of both these lightweights and their food fights.
I'm a Republican and I SURE DO HOPE YOU ALL VOTE FOR HILLARY! I can't wait to see the fallout! BBBWWWWWHHHHHAAAAA!!!!
Where's Hillary's cackles now? Haven't heard any of those for quite some time!
In over sixty years of watching political races on the national and international stage I have seen candidates in hotly contested races pounce on one another gaffe large and trivial, heartfelt and accidental.
The name of the game is to make the other guy eat his own words and make him or her look even more foolish doing it, while the accuser enjoys the glory of pretending to be a perfect public speaker waxing eloquent on all topics under the sun.
Jim
Justin, Houston, TX January 2, 2008 3:25 pm ET
Let's remind ourselves of Hillary's international experience (here are just a few:) Sen. Clinton is the only First Lady to have addressed The United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Affairs and the World Economic Forum, building on and expanding the work begun by her great heroine, Eleanor Rooseveld. She is widely credited with providing the vital push to women getting the vote. In the fledgling state of Slovakia, she fought for civil rights. In South Africa, she was there for that country's first free and fair elections. In Northern Ireland, she is credited with using her personal offices and great persuasion and charm to hasten the Good Friday Agreement. Her speech at the U.N. 4th World Conference in Beijing, China, were cited as a milestone for democracy. All this has peviously been dismissed as a series of "tea parties" by her detractors.
Blah, blah, BLAH! Right out of the Clintonista handbook and talking points. You work for her campaign? So Her Royal Thigness gave some speeches someone else wrote for her. BFD. BEING somewhere doesn't mean she INFLUENCED anything. She wasn't part of the State department SETTING US policy, okay?!
As far as your Ireland comment, here is a column from someone who KNOWS the Clintons better than anyone .....
http://www.newsmax.com/morris/clinton_irish_peace/2007/12/24/59419.html
Some on here have suggested that Hillary cant know everything, but yet they taught her as a world genius, which is it. And since the elections were only 6 months ago, she should have been at least up on current events. Just another gaffe in her campaign, and yet another example of why she is unfit to lead this great nation. And that Shrill voice, is this lady capable of talking in a normal voice. And then her campaignmanager saying they should have never gone to Iowa, that it wasnt important, the gaffes in her campaign, the illegal fundraising, this lady has more baggage than a full overseas flight.
to the person claiming her "world experience". I have given speeches in other countries and I care about human rights, yet i dont call that foriegn experience. And if you read Bills book she was not instrumental in the Ireland affairs
First of all we need HIllary in office.
We have never had a woman and she is also very open minded and I like the fact she very in tune with the gay and lesbian issues that are important today.
She also wants to get rid of the military as she did when she was in the White House. She never allowed anyone from the military in the private areas and this proves that she will get rid of this burden on the World.
She is very close with the Chinese. They support her and have even given her money to run elections in the past. This is good. If the Chinese like her we will get along better with them.
In hard times when there were deaths in the White House she proved good at cleaning up a big mess. Vince Foster killed himself or was killed but Hillary was right on top of things and made sure the country did not suffer from the media mess.
Hillary is a very honest woman and would never lie. We know she has a great record and like her husband she will be up front on everything.
If the Democrats put either Clinton or Obama as their nominee they risk reducing their party to Green party status. Come on now we go from a morally corupt coward, ( Bill Clinton ) to i invented the internet ( carbon neutral Al Gore ) to ( I pricked my finger can I have my purple heart John Kerry ). And your going to top all of these by putting ( We are the president Hillary ) . Geeze no wonder I have never voted for a Democrat if you keep throwing out these losers, pretty soon no one will be.
Pakistan is a major player with us on our supposed war on terror. Hillary is running for president, not first lady. She touts credentials that she has more experience in foreign diplomacy, yet she doesn't even understand what the political situation is in Pakistan. That is very disturbing. Mostly cause it has been front page news, yet she isn't informed??? If Hillary wins the primary, she will surely loose the general election as the Republicans will chew her up on stuff like this. However appparently not CNN.
For the most part, I enjoy reading the comments by individuals who, like me, are interested in the presidential races.
However, I also am very turned off by some of the childish comments of those who write disparaging comments about the candidates rather than about the issues or about a candidate's leadership traits.
I find it extremely sad that some individuals seem only offer personal attacks, such as Chelsea Clinton is unattractive, or Chuck Norris is wearing a hairpiece, or Oprah Winfrey only supports black candidate, or in a recent comment, could it be that Senator Biden might be blaming Senator Clinton for the death of his wife and child. And then there are other (thoughtful?) comments, such as "X candidate is stupid!"
Come on folks, let's just concentrate on who is best to lead our country in the challenging years ahead. Share your thoughts about why you think how you do, and be kind!
Amazing how a couple words from Joe can get you Hillary supporters so riled up! For supporting a candidate supposedly #1 in the polls, you sound awfully sensitive. Maybe it's because Hillary pretends to be made of steel when really your candidate is a house of cards.
Joe is solid. Biden for president.
Oh, if only all Americans could be as enlightened as Al in Wpg. What a Utopia we would have. Imagine all the people…
i've always suspected that the clinton campaign was a mega PR machine operation.
they have excellent communication skills but that means they successfully are manipulating everyone.
I just read on HuffingtonPost.com that the Bidden and Richardson staffers are saying if they don't reach viability their supporters should caucus for Obama.
If their sources are good, this is huge for Obama.
Hillary does not have the experience necessary. Neither do Obama and Edwards. The three so-called "front runners" altogether do not have the experience of a Joe Biden or a Bill Richardson, or even a Dennis Kucinich for that matter. Why aren't those three the front runners?
Democrats are stupid. Looks like that sums up this article. Huckabee is a Democrat and that's no gaffe.
WE DON'T TRUST ANY OF THE CANIDATES!
As for CNN, tis truly "The most Rusted name in news!"
and is "CLINTONS News Network!"
God help us, please...in 2008!
HRC is the worst possible choice and a GIFT to the Republican party. Frankly if we nominate her or (to a lesser degree Barack) we will, once again SNATCH DEFEAT FROM THE JAWS OF VICTORY
Please caucus for JOE BIDEN!!!!
Ed Murphy, that is the wittiest and smartest thing I've read all week. Thanks for the chuckle!
Does all of Hillary's worldly experience gained while her man was the president mean we'll see Laura running for president in four or eight years?
Hillary was a horrible "first lady." She acted as though that was beneath her.
I'd love for Al Gore to have written a book - and subsequent movie - about all of her hot air in the White House. If she thought of herself as co-president, where was Al on the feeding chain?
Please, ABH!
The Democrats always do such a good job of making the most un-electable fool their nominee that the Republicans don't even have to show up to win in November. This is the worst part of modern American politics. The clueless Vs the who cares.
I've been wondering....my wife is an obstetrician/gynecologist. Does that mean that because I've been with her 15 years that I'm qualified to deliver babies? Do surgery? Perform PAP smears?
I'm thinking no.
So why the heck does anyone with half a brain think that Hillary is 'the experienced' one? She's on par with Obama as far as inexperience goes, neither should be allowed within a breath of the Oval Office.
Ron Paul for President.
Man, I cannot stand bi-partisan politics. Then again, when is politics NOT bi-partisan.
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Iowa and beyond!! OUR TIME IS NOW. We will make history with Obama in '08!!!!
Say, General Ripper,
Don't forget the slime ball she sent into the National Archives to remove a bunch of papers which were originals and no other copies available. Wonder what he got paid for that?
Joe has my vote! Find out why: http://www.SoonerThought.blogspot.com
It's not the initial lie, it's the coverup, that always sinks the Clintons. The next question from CNN for Hillary better be "Do you stand by what your campaign said, that you meant 'the Party' and not Musharraf? Are you going to let those same out-of-control campaign spokespersons speak for you during your presidency? Or are you going to stick to the [ridiculous] explanation?" Frankly, I'm sick of parsing these people.
Hey (J. McKinney SW MO) You're wrong! I'm just a nobody and I KNEW that the election in Pakistan was for the Parliment and not for the President. You're bias and/or love affair for the Clintons is showing through. AND YES this is a big deal that a candidate... I don't care who it is.... does not know the difference.
carol l.a.
you live in a freeking bubble & it's filled with smoke.
I think the real story is how the media, this time with old lackey George Stephenopolephlopolis just goes along with whatever Hillary says. Didn't they cover the election of Musharef (?) Or do they only cover local news?
I think the real story is how the media, this time with old lackey George Stephenopolephlopolis just goes along with whatever Hillary says. Didn't they cover the election of Musharraf (?) Or do they only cover local news?
There are small signs that Biden could do well enough in Iowa to stay in the race. If he doesn't, it will diminish the field in more ways than one:
http://ajliebling.blogspot.com/2008/01/joe-bidens-last-hurrah.html
If Bush had made such a mistake as Hillary did, all of you Hillary defenders would be bashing Bush right now. Neither person is fit to be president of this country, but why must you Hillary defenders be such hypocrites? There is a better choice. Ron Paul for president.
The fact that Joe Biden and Chris Dodd, both long time, intelligent, well established Democratic leaders are barely a blip on the electoral radar and that Hillary and Barak (BOTH extremely low on experience) are both soaring shows the shallowness of the current electorate on the Democratic side.
God help us all.
Sorry JEFF J...having experience as a doctor is a lot different than having experience as a politician. The two don't mesh. Anyone can be a politician but not everyone can be a doctor. A look at our past presidents should remind everyone of this. America's had past presidents that include a peanut farmer and an Hollywood actor. With a few years of city or state or national government experience, any politican can run for president.
Ask yourself, truly what does the President of the US do? What is his or her role in Government? Why does the President have so many cabinet members, advisors, and staff that report to him or her?
The role of any leader is to set the vision and direction. In politics, you generally have to be articulate, convincing, inspiring, trustworthy and offer good judgement. All of this stuff about having extensive political experience is a bunch of crap. Every major political leader from the US president to US Senators to City Mayors rely on their staff to provide them with the best possible information, and then that political leader makes a judgement or decision. No political leader is all knowing in the realm of education, economics, energy, law, transportation, foreign affairs, climatology or agriculture to name a few.
OBAMA in '08!
Liberals are like lemmings,every two years they jump off a cliff whether they need to or not. Joe Biden 1972
He spoke the truth then and he still does today.He is the only Democrat in the race that knows what is going on in the world.The rest just want to buy your vote by appealing to your wallet.Joe tells it the way he see's it not the way he thinks you want to see it.
I once saw Queen Elizabeth ride by in a motorcade.
I saw Jack Kennedy and Nikita Kruschev when they visited my home town.
I ate in the same cafe that Jacque Chirac used to visit once in awhile.
I visited the wailing wall where many world leaders have also visited.
I saw the pope.
I guess I'm almost as close to many world leaders as Hillary has been, that should make me capable of taking over from day one, as well.
Oh, I forgot, I also stayed in a Day's Inn once. That should put me over the top.
It would be very easy for him to lose the presidency if the parliamentary elections don't go the way of his party. Once a new non-Musharraf coalition were sworn in, he could be deposed (no confidence vote) and replaced within a month of the election. So she slips by on a technicality...
People seem to be missing that Biden was wrong as well. The Pakistani presidential elections were in October, not "6 months ago", and Musharraf was not confirmed until November when he fired the Supreme Court and appointed a new loyal one.
Biden's international wisdom isn't oh so great, and all of these distinctions are fairly trivial and unimportant for people who are focused more on daily campaigning.
I concur with many here, this is a very legitimate issue and a totally valid concern. Right on Senator Biden good for you to show forthrightness by informing the public about this necessary and weighty issue!
Aa a gay American who has lots and lots of gay friends, I support Hillary and what she said about the pakistan thing. Who cares anyway? Even my one straight friend who fixes my apartment roof likes her because she's soooooo smart and cares about children. She only wants the best for the world and who are we to question her? Huh?? My second choice is John Edwards BECAUSE he's SOOOOOO Cute. What a cutie President he would make. Cute!!!! All the Republicans are icky. They hate gays because we care about America and they hate everything except money and bombs. They even hate the earth because they want global warming. Joe Biden is cute, but take advice and lose the fake hairpiece. Richardson is spooky also. Dennis looks like an elf and I would vote for him if I knew what he was going to do as President.
Iraq is a mess and they need to drop me and a few thousand of my gay friend there to clean and decorate it a little. Too much mauve and sandy stuff around. Needs some color. Hillary know this and she should be President. Period. End of story,Lori. Got it, Rocket?
Aren't you glad that my vote cancels your vote??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
is the media trying to stay out of this one?
since they ruined Howard Dean by replaying the Dean scream without back ground noise over and over and over again
Making him look crazy>..
the 24 hour news networks have more power then they need to
but i agree they need to try to bring some independant balance to what politicians say and what is closer to the truth..... shouldn't they?
and i do mean to all parties no partisan favorites
just some work for the truth unbais truth
Time after time, Joe Biden has demonstrated the intelligence and wisdom to be President. Joe Biden has earned my vote.
The problem HRC has is her campaign stands for nothing. Obama stands for change and Edwards stands for helping the lower and middle classes.
The only point HRC seems to make is she should be President because she is entitled to the position. She feels entitled to the Presidency by the fact that she lived in the White House and wants to move back into the mansion and have the privileges that come with living there once again for eight more years. Needless to say the public and electorate could care less about indulging her standard of housing and ego needs.
Hey,
She has foreign polivy experience!
She never said she has knowledge and wisdom.
Am reminded of a soldier who was at Dunkirk at the outbreak of WW II.
He had experience - but it was only relevant in knowing the bitter taste of retreat.
So give her a break!
If only Joe Biden had married Bill Clinton, then we'd have a real canidiate...
Hey,
She has foreign policy experience!
She never said she has knowledge and wisdom.
Am reminded of a soldier who was at Dunkirk at the outbreak of WW II.
He had experience - but it was only relevant in knowing the bitter taste of retreat.
So give her a break!
Smartest woman that ever lived? Obviously not!
Okay, Biden is right! Musharraf did 'win' the last elections for President, but his elected status was under review by the same judges he fired a few weeks back because he felt they were about to rule his election was invalid. (Ironically, the same judge he fired were the ones he hired)!
Had the judges ruled his election was invalid, it would have meant he had to step down as President, creating a vacuum, so he pre-empted them with the emergency rule stroke.
With Bhutto originally set to participate in the parliamentary election for the PRIME MINISTERSHIP, (at the request of Condi Rice) and was likely to win hands down, Musharraf was not comfortable with that outcome. After all, it was he who in 1999 ran Bhutto out of office on corruption charges that also landed her husband (Minister of Investments) in jail while she fled into self-imposed exile in Dubai and London.
Hillary did make a political gaffe that could come back to haunt her since she has been claiming she has all the experience. She may do well domestically, like Bill, but I think she is going to sink on the foreign affairs front. Bill didn't do well there either.
why doesn't this get more attention?
Neither as a supporter or as an antagonist for Biden or Clinton, it seems to me that when a leading candidate not only fails to keep an eye on something that creates anxiety but flops on the most essential and central element of their campaign, that this deserves more than a 10pt. font-size link on the Politics page. This is important.
There are supporters of HRC commenting here that sadly describe her foreign policy inexperience as secondary to her perceived ability to lead from within. This argument would have been valid in 1800's and early 1900's, but in a post-WWII world, it's foolish to believe that foreign policy and domestic policy aren't two faces of the same body, and absolutely necessary.
Easy to see that many people posting here listened to Rush Limbaugh today. This little blip gave him opportunity for one of his Hilary rants.. A number of people here parroted that crap back...
You folks appear desperate to beat her down. Probably Dubbya supporters...
Sillary is a hatchet man period. She does the dirty work for Bill, e.g. killing Vince Foster, taking out the bimbos , and other capo work. She hasn't a clue about history, world political strategy, or anything else not connected to eliminating opponents. She slaps around the Blitzers of the media because they are rightly afraid of her. Can there be enough Kool-Aid drinking dems to elect her?
Are you kidding? We just put up with Bush for 7 years and counting, and I doubt if he could find Pakistan on a world map.......even if the names weren't blanked out!
Biden is my favorite candidate, he's the most knowlegable on domestic and foreign issues. Biden always stands out in the debates as the most Presidential. Biden also can bring in moderate ( both parties) voters and independent voters. Biden also the only Democratic candidate who can win any debate against the Republicans on ( The War, National security, and the moral issues) Most important, he is respected by both partys and that will give us a chance to be united as a country once again.
H is for Huh??
Biden is doing the Lord's work.
Gosh, how totally (yawn) surprising...
Is it any wonder this woman won't take or answer questions? Or trust her daughter to do so, even when they come from a nine-year-old?
Sadly, this isn't the first time arrogance and ambition have been mistaken for competence and ability, and it won't be the last.
If you think he can't win, I suggest otherwise. Visit http://www.kucinichcantwin.com
this story has gotten more comments then any other that I have seen on cnn, yet it was not discussed on the new stonight on cnn or msnbc or fox.Well at least I did not see it. but I glad so many people here responded,it just means some of us care about the issues.
Oh dear..........as I read though this huge list. of blogs, I am only thankful that some of the idiots who write on here are not running for president. I do find it interesting as to how many see through Hillary, but I hope that carries to the caucuses. As Andrew Young said, "Obama is too young, not seasoned enough and should run in 2016. ' The only candidate who truly qualiflles to be our next president is Joe Biden. He has more wisdom, knowledge , experience and intelligence than the whole bunch on either side. To the guy who said Obama is the best educated, do you have any idea how many college graduates are just that....nothing else. A degree from Harvard does not qualify one to be president of this country. Yes, it shows intelligence, but enormous experience in this area is a must. Too, I think it is disgraceful that one of you referred to Biden as a "dolt.". He is so far above you that you can't even touch him.......... Go back to school and learn some manners.
I wonder how many of these blogs come from those who truly follow politics. Looks like many of you only want to say whatever comes to mind with very little knowledge and often, very little education. How one writes tells a great deal about their opinion. If you never learned that, don't write. Many of you will be voting in the election in November, so I hope you have done some homework before you check that ballot. Biden 2008
PS: Please not that I didn't run any of the Republicans into the ground. I was one for many years, but the Bush years lost me as a Republican........
This really showcases Hillary's lack of knowledge, in what she tries to present as an all-knowing, super experienced presidential candidate. Sorry Hillary, Good Ole' Joe caught ya! ha ha
Obama 08!!
It is encouraging to me that so many of you checked on what Joe Biden had said.
I note that from what you say, not many of you follow politics closely due to so many mis-statements. I will say that I havefollowed Biden for a number of years on C-Span and the like. I also bought and read Joe Biden's book, so I am pretty well informed about him.
It is not my intention to run down any of the candidates. I will say that I was surprised at how many seem to see through Hillary Clinton. She is not my idea of a person with vast experience to run this great country. Intelligent, yes, but I see her as the great pretender so she and Bill can return to The Whitehouse with all tthe perks when her term is over.....or double bonus.
I have lots to say but CNN won't allow me to say it, so I have shortened my piece considerably. I hope this passes their muster. I've seen a considerable amount which they allowed to pass......... hmmmm????
BIDEN IN 2008
BIDEN 2008
PLEASE USE YOUR HEADS WHEN YOU VOTE......... THIS MAY BE THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION YOU HAV E EVER VOTED IN. WE CANNOT ELECT ANOTHER GEORGE W. BUSH, WHO FOOLED US INTO THINKING HE WAS THE MAN. HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN OK IF 9-11 HAD NOT OCCURRED, BUT WE STILL FACE SIMILARS, NEEDING SOMEONE WHO IS CAPABLE OF HANDLING WHAT IS TO COME. THIS REQUIRES HANDS-ON VAST EXPERIENCE, INTELLIGENCE, WISDOM, DIPLOMACY, PRESIDENTIAL PRESENSE AND NO NEED TO BE A MILLIONAIRE. TO ELECT A PRESIDENT BASED ON HIS MEDIA POPULARIATY, IS FOOLISH. DON'T LET THE MEDIA DO THAT TO US...
Thank you, CNN for allowing my pieces........ janet
I love Joe Biden! Not a chance to win but he sure would make a good VP or Cabinet member for our next president, Barack Obama!!
OBAMA 08 and 12
I don't get these Hillary supporters. Totally Brainwashed.... They will believe anything she says. LOL... I'd like to meet some of them, I'd like to dupe them, too.
It's naive to think you can change the world by inflicting your will upon it. Wether you think you "understand" the situation on the ground or not. Liberals won't be able to "fix" our foreign policy or maintain the American world empire by throwing money at it because there won't be money available without creating it out of thin air which means your getting both taxed and robbed to pay for another countries "security"!?!
20 plus years of a Bush/Clinton dynasty???? Are you out of your mind?
Failed policy, failed policy, more failed policy, followed by even more failed policy
RESTORE THE CONSTITUTION!!! RON PAUL rEVOLution!!!
After reading through all these notes, I'm a bit disgusted with the rhetoric from most. First of all, Joe Biden is intelligent, knowledgeable, experienced, and respected by members from both sides of the aisle. There is not another person running, from any party, that can pull off a bi-partisan decision or resolution like he can.
Secondly, Joe Biden has both the domestic AND the foreign policy experience we MUST have in this global world. When some of you speak as if Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. don’t matter, I know you are not looking at the big picture. Now more than ever, we must come to the realization that the world does not start and stop at the East and West coasts!
And lastly, there is no way Joe Biden should be vice president. Why in the world would anyone want to lose his experience and ability in working for us? He has much more to offer than being an ambassador-for-the-president.
He has the fierceness, ability, wisdom, and experience we need for America.
A new chapter is about to be writ'ten, Obama will be elected by an appeal to
all that represents a quantum leap in human consciousness. He represents
that rare gift of courage and a heart for the people. We respond to his decency
and vision which says a lot about where we are at and now ready for.
Most encouraging and exciting!
Rock the nation and the world!
Barock the vote!!!
What really surprises me is that some of you are making comments about how right Joe is followed by an "Obama in 08!" tag line. What?
Joe has proven over and over what a great leader he is what an understanding of foreign policy he has and the ability to bring people together from across the isle.
Joe has the ONLY plan to get out of Iraq with bipartisan support.
I work in politics in Iowa. I've met all the candidates. Joe is the most real and sincere. Hillary is nice and very personable, but for me is just too polarizing for me to rally behind, though I will if she is the nominee.
But for me, I'm caucusing for Joe Biden. Because JOE IS RIGHT!
Folks, that was the Great Female Hope ...and World-Class Genius speaking!
If any candidate knows the Middle-East, isn't it plainly BARACK OBAMA ?
yup...
With all the negative campaigning coming out, after all the candidates have gone on record stating how much they hate it, can we then assume that if any of them are elected, they will continue this two faced approach? UGH! Try to imagine....an honest politician, fighting for the middle class, putting their own ambitions aside, ahhhhhhhhhhhh only at Disney World!
I am a Canadian that has always taken deep interest in USA politics.
I love it when I hear people running for office talk about the un protected border between Canada and the USA, the question for me is as Canadians should we be the ones concerned about the border.
I find it interesting that when Canada said no to Iraq because we all knew that the problem was not their, we became the bad guys to the American Politician. I wonder how many everyday Americans wish that maybe Bush would have listened to us, instead of saying that Britian was now the USA best friend.
Afganistan, different story-Canada has its troops fighting combat missions with the USA and others and this is an action warrented. I do notice that everytime a Canadian dies in that mission, your news agency CNN says a coalition force member died(really it should say a Canadian Soldier) we are after all the ones fighting in the most dangerious region. I would expect our news to report that an American Soldier has passed, not a coalition force.
I pride myself knowing that the majority of Canadians know the differance between Iran and Iraq, know what elections are happening in countries around the world and the fact that starting in grade 3 you begin to learn this information about the world.
I find it disheartening when I hear the people running for your highest office make blunders about other countries, considering everyone around the world hears about it.
I also find it disheartening that you have over 310 000 000 people in your country and it takes less than .ooo5 percent of them to give the second best country in the world a black eye.
Canada takes a lot of crap from American Big Business and Lobby Groups, Canada takes a lot of crap from the Politicians when something goes wrong in the USA and they start saying it is Canadas fault. Every time proven wrong, however the American people are never told.
Canadas fault is that we do not stand in the lime light and say look at all this good we did, however I also believe that that is what makes us Canada.
I hope your elections go well, I know you will all vote for who you feel best represents your interest.
Signed a Proud Canadian, Proud to border the USA.
On another note: I believe that tolerance and understanding is key to a good foriegn policy. As Canadians we prided ourselves with it, I only fear now that our reputation for it has been tarnished a little.
With this gaffe Hillary has blown her chances of being Barack's VP. He needs someone who knows what they are talking about. Maybe a Obama/Biden ticket?
To all Iowan's standing for Joe Biden tomorrow night, thank you. And, please know that there are many of us who are standing with you all around the country (& the world). You can be proud to be caucusing for the greatest candidate both parties have to offer. Again, thank you
Actually, since it is already 1/3/08 on the east coast I will say: To all Iowan's standing for Joe Biden tonight, thank you. And, please know that there are many of us who are standing with you all around the country (& the world). You can be proud to be standing for the greatest candidate both parties have to offer. Again, thank you
CNN's silence on this issue, despite the fact that this is the busiest blog post on CNN's Political Ticker, is deafening. The amount of support I am seeing here for Biden and negative sentiment toward Hillary is really shocking and pleasantly surprising.
I, for one, would love to see Biden make it past Iowa. He lends tremendous value to the Democratic discussion and it would be a serious waste of his talent.
Shame on CNN and MSNBC for leaving Biden, Dodd, and Richardson in the cold.
SHAME!
Hillary used to sit on the board of Wal-mart. How could she count that as experience? Her true experience is starting to show now. The NY Times is right Hillary isn't all that experienced went it counts. I have yet to see anyone name something that qualifies Hillary for the job. She voted for the war in Iraq and won't call that a mistake. Takes millions in lobbyist money. Has a MANDATORY health care plan. I don't see how anyone could even consider her with so many better options running. As an Iowan caucus goer I sincerely question her understanding of what experience really is. I'll be standing for the only leader who talks about working with Republicans to end the gridlock. The only leader who can garner Republican and Independent votes which we all know is a must to win the general election. The only leader that was right about Iraq. And the only leader who is free of both lobbyist and special interest groups, Obama '08.
Good to see all the positive talk about the best candidate!!!! BIDEN 08!!
The sad thing is Biden won't get nominated – but may get Sec of State. The Sec. of State will therefore be more knowledgable than the President and VP put together!
DOESNT HE LOOK LIKE AL SHARPTON?
"Do we need another Clinton Administration…..hmmm lets see I dont think America can handle no debt and a surplus of money and high employment rates and oh yeah a stable economy, and lets not forget the way Clinton blatantly had good relations and standings in almost every country around the world. America cant handle responsibility to its country like that. We need to make sure that we bring Change, yeah thats it Change. HAHAHA."
Hey Joe – Clinton only got those things because we had a strong Republican named RONALD REGAN in office for 8 years before Clinton. All of that stuff you mentioned was RONALD REGAN's work that Bill Clinton inherited. Clinton did none of it himself. In fact, he worked hard to give alot of it away through things like, oh NAFTA, H-1, and L-1. Give credit where its due, and credit is not due Bill Clinton for any of that, it was all handed to him because of the work of RONALD REGAN.
Joseph Biden is great on iraq and deserves to be in any cabinet.
But yes, I don't think Hill meant Musharraf was literally up for election.
Thanks Joe for encouraging popular ignorance in a last ditch attempt
to gain traction in Iowa. I'm surprised at you!
WHY ARE YOU HITTING HILLARY???? YOU MIGHT BE SORRY SOMEDAY!! THINK ABOUT IT, BEFORE YOU TALK.
Think of this. Hillary Clinton wins democratic nomination for president. She has chosen Nancy Pelosi as her running mate, and states that they will change the country. Now think of this. Terrorists have overrun the US because Clinton did not heed warnings from the CIA & FBI. She blames this on past President Bush for not letting her know what she was getting into as president. China is now getting ready to move in and take over the US economy because the time is right.
What a scenario? It's possible that this could happen if this ignorant woman is nominated. She would bring this country down quicker than you could bat an eye. With all the donations she has received from China, they would want paybacks, and just like her husband, she would give it to them. He gave them the missle technology; what would she give him? Something to think about. They would probably stay in the Lincoln bedroom for a week or two while figuring out what to give them.
Newsmax is selling Hillary cards. If you want to find out a lot about her, buy them. Or, you could read a couple of truthful books about the Clinton's. (Unrestricted Access by Gary Aldrich or Target by Kathleen Willey) Excellent reads. Or you might want to read Unlimited Warfare by two Chines Colonels, and what Clinton did that was traitorous. No, we don't need her in office. The people in New York need to pull her out of the Senate. She is not to be trusted. Her and Bill has planned this for a long time, and the good people of the US needs to make sure she does not win the presidency. I hope CNN will print this.
Have you noticed that political ticker items about other candidates generate maybe 50-100 postings, but anything that even tangentially mentions Hillary generates 500 or more?
And most of them negative.
There are a lot of people out there who hate Hillary. You can say this is right or wrong or whatever, but these are folks who are not going to change their mind, and feel very strongly so they are quite likely to vote.
Accoridng to polls about 50% of the country falls into the "Hillary Hater" category ("who would you NEVER vote for President of the United States?")
So we are not talking about some fringe "Rush is Right" minority of people here. We are talking Republicans, Democrats, Independents, you name it. The folks who dislike Hillary cross party lines. Hillary can unite America – in the hatred of her!
(And who says we don't have bi-partisanship in this country?)
If Hillay wins the nomination, she will have to get every single non-Hillary hater to vote for her, in order to win. That means no fence-sitters or people who feel neutral about her but prefer another candidate. She has to get ALL THE VOTES of the non-Hillary haters in order to win.
Or, get Bllomberg to run to split the Hillary-hater vote. Frankly, I think this latter scenario is how it is going to play out, and Bloomberg is a willing participant in this farce.
FWIW.
It is not big deal for hillary to think Musharaf is running for parliamentary election.Many of Americans do not know much about international issues and are not interested.The thing is Media are partial they always potray good side of hillary but not the other side.Hillary is naive and to think she will be a president is absurd.This is a woman who stick to his husband not because of love(since Bill has hot pants)she sticks to him for the sake of becoming president.She is desperate and she will say anything to be elected.Am fed up when he blames everything on bush,has she forgotten about the messy his husband caused in this country?
Being a conservative, I am very disappointed with ALL candidates both Republicans and Democrats. And I am not alone. Just read "The American Conservative" magazine ( http://www.amconmag.com/ ).
Current Republican and Democrats are "GOOD COP/ BAD COP" situation for America. I agree with Al Bundy, who said: "Whoever you choose – you choose the wrong one!".
Joe Biden is the most qualified person to lead this country.
Of course he isn't a superstar candidate who...
-Was a former first lady to the the first two-term Democratic president since FDR.
-A youthful, fresh, extremely charismatic junior senator
-Former vice presidential nominee
And he doesn't have...
-Millions upon millions of dollars raised
-Oprah's support
-A former president backing them
-And most of all, intense coverage by the media, and adequate talking time during debates.
This election would be a hell of a lot different if the media wasn't doing this for ratings. Because let's face it, a woman and a black man running for president is more interesting than some capable, straight-talking, white senator from the tiny state of Delaware. - I mean, that doesn't make good television, people.