January 2, 2008
Posted: 02:35 PM ET
Biden got tough on Clinton over her recent comments on Pakistan.

Biden got tough on Clinton over her recent comments on Pakistan.

(CNN) — Democrat Joe Biden suggested Tuesday that presidential rival Hillary Clinton doesn't adequately understand recent events in Pakistan.

The Delaware senator was responding to news that Clinton suggested in two recent interviews that Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf is up for reelection this month.

Musharraf was actually reelected in October, and the upcoming Pakistani elections are parliamentary, not presidential.

"We have a number of candidates who are well-intentioned but don't understand Pakistan," Biden said at a campaign event Tuesday. "One of the leading candidates — God love her."

"There are good people running," continued the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, who has made his foreign policy credentials a centerpiece of his long shot presidential bid. "But to say Musharraf is up for election! Musharraf was elected — fairly or unfairly — president six months ago. It's about a parliamentary election!"

Clinton's comments came in an interview with ABC Sunday, in which she said, "[Musharraf] could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election."

The New York senator also made similar comments during an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer last week, saying then, ""If President Musharraf wishes to stand for election, then he should abide by the same rules that every other candidate will have to follow."

Both gaffes were first noted by conservative Thomas Houlahan, writing for the Middle East Times.

The Clinton campaign has not yet returned a request for comment on Biden's comments, but said yesterday the New York Democrat was referring to Musharraf's party, not himself in particular.

Republican Mike Huckabee took heat last week for also getting key facts about Pakistan wrong in the aftermath of Benazir Bhutto's death. He first suggested the country remained under martial law (it was lifted a few weeks ago) and later said that Pakistan shares its eastern border with Afghanistan (it shares its western border.)

– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

Filed under: Hillary Clinton • Joe Biden


Al in Wpg   January 2nd, 2008 9:51 am ET

With so many posts I see on these sites where people don't know the difference between Iran and Iraq, I highly doubt this will make a difference in the votes. It only shows that Americans will vote for whoever can be as naive as they are. Keep bombing Iraq, that'll teach them for 911.

AJ, IL   January 2nd, 2008 9:54 am ET

Get her Biden! According to Bill Clinton, Hillary is a "world-class" genius and Hillary doesn't understand that the upcoming Pakistani election is about parliament and not the presidency. I could see one slip but a continued slip up is strong signal of inadequate knowledge.

I wonder if Hillary's campaign will negatively respond to Biden's assessment of Hillary's so-called foreign relations experience so close to the Iowa caucauses. Biden's comments are pretty damaging to Hillary's credibility on international issues.

OBAMA in '08!

Vincent, Tamaqua, Pa   January 2nd, 2008 9:56 am ET

pffttt.

Hillary 08!

Dwight Reagan   January 2nd, 2008 9:57 am ET

Well , good for Senator Biden (and surprise- - he usually is wrong about everything). It is for certain that Wolf Blitzer of CNN is not going to question anything any of the Clintons will say - after all it is the Clinton News Network!

Seunjohnson   January 2nd, 2008 9:58 am ET

I wonder why the media has refused to comment on this gaffe,When it was Mike Huckebee it was in the news and every TV in the country.I am thinking maybe CNN take side when it comes to scrutiny of candidates.I have always respected CNN and felt they were very fair as compare to media bias from FOX news.I will bide my time and see as more events unfold

Tony Loyd   January 2nd, 2008 9:59 am ET

Obviously with the intensity of campaigning, Senator Clinton did not keep up with the facts on the ground. This brings up the question - should sitting Senators or Representatives be required to resign their seats in order to run? It's a good question and one that should be discussed.

Henry Miller, Cary, NC   January 2nd, 2008 9:59 am ET

Is this the foreign affairs "experience" Hillary keeps yapping about?

al, San Francisco, CA   January 2nd, 2008 10:02 am ET

There goes Biden's chance to be Hillary's running mate.

J. McKinney SW MO   January 2nd, 2008 10:05 am ET

Good Grief! God himself probably couldn't keep all the details straight from all these dangerous little countries that are full of all kinds of unrest. But Hillary has as good a grasp on the general situation of them all as anyone. And I am quite sure that if she were president, she would be gathering input on the situation before acting, from all sorts of advisors and experts on that particular area. Let's not "go nuts" over this. She wouldn't "go off half-cocked". So it happened this time to be something Biden knew and Hillary wasn't aware of. We all know Biden, even tho he has good foreign policy credentials, doesn't have a snowballs chance in H***, so let's not mess up Hillary's run for the presidency. We need her, and she will be more capable of handling "everything" better than any of the others. I am sure, with the mess we are in, that no one would be capable of knowing it all, all by themselves. And PLEASE, don't any of you Obama nuts start in about how all knowing, all seeing he is. He has not been anything but words so far, in his limited service.
WE NEED HILLARY!

Les   January 2nd, 2008 10:06 am ET

Why not cite the gaffe Huckabee made Joe instead of throwing your fellow democrat under the bus? Every 4 years you run for nomination, you always lose. Nope, you'll lose again this time Joe. You have the habit of putting your foot in your mouth.

John Q Public   January 2nd, 2008 10:06 am ET

Is anyone surprised at this?

Hillary makes herself out to be an expert in foreign relations. She even exploited the assassination of Benazir Bhutto by touting her acquaintance as if the two of them where long-time collaborators. Now the truth is shown that she is not just naive, but utterly ignorant.

How many more lying liberals will all of you believe?

Schratboy   January 2nd, 2008 10:07 am ET

Biden is a dolt. Nobody cares what he says or does…except the media. As for Hillary, the media loves her because she's so controversial and unelectable.

Tim, Powder Spring, GA   January 2nd, 2008 10:07 am ET

Doh!!!! So much for her "Foreign Policy" experience.

john L Cerrato, Rockville Centre, NY   January 2nd, 2008 10:08 am ET

Musharaf is on the ballot, perhaps not in a literal sense but in a power struggle re: the parlimentary elections. He can gain a lot of power, or lose power depending upon how the opposition party does in the lection. Joe Biden is desperate and constantly boasts of his superior knowledge of foreign affairs. Hillary will soon comment and make her point, i'm sure.

Les   January 2nd, 2008 10:08 am ET

In addition the gaffe Hillary had made is not a big deal. We have a presidential system, while Pakistan has Parliamentary system. I thought Musharraf is running for re-election too.

Thank you for citing it Joe, you've just educated me.

Tim, Cincinnati, OH   January 2nd, 2008 10:09 am ET

What? She can't be wrong! She has eight years of experience as "co-President."

Is anybody still buying that line of nonsense?

Time to turn the page–Obama 2008!

Richard   January 2nd, 2008 10:11 am ET

And we really haven't heard much of this in the mainstream media. If it was any other canidate, they'd be all over them immediately to the point of killing their, Hillary says it and nothing happens–brilliant.

Jim in Orlando, FL   January 2nd, 2008 10:11 am ET

"I have 35 years experience ……… " .

Yeah, OK. I've been alive that long too, and then some.

columbus, ohio   January 2nd, 2008 10:12 am ET

Why is anyone surprised? Clinton is unfit to be president.

Chris, NYC   January 2nd, 2008 10:15 am ET

Good for him.

Hillary knows absolutely nothing, beyond talking points, about foreign affairs.

She flunked the bar exam in DC, and it shows.

Lynda West Chester, PA   January 2nd, 2008 10:16 am ET

Why aren't more peole catching on the Joe Biden is by far the most experienced and qualified candidate out there? No one has more foreign affairs experience. He has been warning us about Pakistan for months. He is what our country needs right now to restore our reputation and credibility in the world. It is pathetic that the front runner, Clinton, doesn't know what the upcoming elections in Pakistan are for. If she was referring to Musharraf's party, then she should have said as much. I don't believe that for a minute. That is just the best spin here campaign could put on her big gaffe to cover up her lack of foreign affairs experience. It's a little scary that Clinton claims to have the most experience out of the top tier candidates.

Biden/Edwards 08!

Harry Gooper   January 2nd, 2008 10:22 am ET

Please, Please Iowa help keep another Hill/Billy out of the White House.

Fred, Washington, dc   January 2nd, 2008 10:24 am ET

He is right…….I think his idea of going into Pakistan if Musharraf does not act if we have actionable intelligence on Al Qaeda's whereabouts squares nicely with Obama's views.

Also, I think it would be politically convenient if he told his supporters to have Obama as a second choice only for Iowa caucuses, because if Hillary wins Iowa the nomination is over, however if Obama wins Iowa things are still up in the air because he does not have 25-30 pt leads in other critical states down the road like Hillary does.

I am not a campaign operative, nor a supporter of any of the democratic frontrunners, however I believe due to their foreign policy positions and the effects of a Clinton victory in Iowa (thus reinforcing her inevitability argument) Biden should tell his supporters to caucus for Obama if he does not get the needed 15% to move on to the next round.

Bill, Chicago, IL   January 2nd, 2008 10:24 am ET

THIS is why we need a smart person with foreign relations experience as our President- not some insider whose experience is limited to having tea with other First Ladies.

Matt, Columbus OH   January 2nd, 2008 10:26 am ET

Biden has proven over and over again that he is the only one (I'll give you Dodd, too) that really understands what's going on outside this country. And poll after poll has shown Americans care more about kissing babies, praying to invisible people in the sky, and 'a guy/gal you can drink a beer with.'

Americans will get the candidate we deserve. Shame on us.

r k martin, New York, NY   January 2nd, 2008 10:28 am ET

Guess she forgot to ask the "first husband" what to say

what a puppet this scoundrel is…

Ash, NY,NY   January 2nd, 2008 10:28 am ET

Exactly! Why is the media letting the "experienced" candidate off the hook. She doesn't really have experience. Joe Biden does. BIDEN 2008!

Chase   January 2nd, 2008 10:28 am ET

I figured Clinton's team could'nt get the script to her in time.

Jesse, Burnsville, MN   January 2nd, 2008 10:30 am ET

Oh, but she has so much foreign policy experience.

Once again people, you have been lied to by the Hillary machine.

zacaryquack   January 2nd, 2008 10:33 am ET

Just what we need, another clueless leader unwilling to admit mistakes..

Joe, SoCal   January 2nd, 2008 10:33 am ET

CNN being what they are, I am actually surprised they ran this story– making Clinton look bad just a day before the caucuses. It is, after all, Clinon News Network.

Amir Askari   January 2nd, 2008 10:34 am ET

Pakistan shares its Nothern border with Afghanistan

Nando, Florida   January 2nd, 2008 10:38 am ET

But she is Ready to Lead from Day one. Thanks Sen Biden for calling the cookie baker out.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

E. C., Houston, Texas   January 2nd, 2008 10:39 am ET

IF Democrats were SMART……….Biden and Dodd would be the two Leading Contenders for the Democratic Nomination. These men are the Most Experienced, Knowledgeable and Respected men in the race to The White House. Further, IF Democrats were SMART, they would realize that NO ON THE JOB TRAINING would be necessary. QUITE OBVIOUSLY, Hillary doesn't know what is going on in the Global Power Arena. Obama knows Less, and Edwards apparently doesn't concern himself. IF Democrats want one of these unqualified contenders in our White House, then Democrats can expect to lose once again to a Republican Presidential Nominee…………HURRAY FOR THE GOP!

Tamika Jackson   January 2nd, 2008 10:40 am ET

Hillary Clinton likes to boast that she has a lot of foreign policy experience but her experience was having tea with the first lady of the country her husband, the President, was visiting, while her husband was meeting with the leader of that country. Hillary Clinton never sat in on meetings her husband had with foreign leaders, nor did she ever meet with officials from the State Department, nor was she ever involved in making policy about our relations with other countries. Her lie about having substantial foreign policy experience is just one of the many lies she hopes will fool the voters. Hopefully, the voters in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina are not that stupid that they will believe Hillary's lies.

greg,new york   January 2nd, 2008 10:41 am ET

OOPS.

betsy   January 2nd, 2008 10:41 am ET

This is a scarey situation!!! In no way am I saying I know the politics of Pakistan, but to have those who want to lead our country not know is really a bit frightful! As important as Pakistan is to the US, and as important as the candidates are making it, you would at least think they would have some basic facts about the politics and up-coming elections. How sad! Biden knows foreign politics. I feel with the state of our foreign relations, Biden is the only one who truly understands our situation and knows how to address the leaders. Our standing in the global society is sorely lacking, we need someone in there who knows the history and dynamics so that the same mistakes are not made over and over again.

Raman, Plano TX   January 2nd, 2008 10:41 am ET

Pakistan is not a country that has soverignity over its own political systems.

At any given time either US or UK or Saudi Arabia, or Dubai dictates how Pakistan leadership conducts political affairs in Pakistan.

So even though Joe may consider Sen. Clinton's comments as gaffe, our dear President Pervez Musharraf may well take her comments as commandment, that he has to abide by.

Today President Prevez Musharraf is asking Scotland Yard to investigate Butto's death, just so that everybody is convinced that he is not behind the assasination as predicted by the deceased. The implication is FBI or CIA or NIB cannot be relied upon at this moment by Pakistan leadership as these agencies have been closely linked to President Bush's gaffe in Iraq invasion.

Anonymous   January 2nd, 2008 10:42 am ET

Clinton's comments came in an interview with ABC Sunday, in which she said, "[Musharraf] could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election."

She mentioned him TWICE BY NAME , no party mentioned, BY NAME, she was VERY particular TWICE.

When her campaign advisors fed her these lines, it is obvious that they don't understand how Pakistan works either.

Foreign policy while sipping teas and having cookies is not real foreign policy.

Time to wake up Clintonista's and explain away for Hillarity, come on, the rest of us are awake.

Jonny   January 2nd, 2008 10:42 am ET

When you falsely fabricate resume' that you don't have; definitely, your lies will cut-off with you. Hillary does not have any sense of foreign policy–she depends on ethnic sentiment of the gang of neocons in Washington who thinks this country belongs to them. She is vitally fraud, and the civil society will strongly reject the pandering and strangulating strategy of CNN and their cohorts this time. This is America's moment–not the media and corporate mafias' moment.

Tom Dedham, Mass   January 2nd, 2008 10:43 am ET

Clinton's comments came in an interview with ABC Sunday, in which she said, "Musharraf could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election."

She mentioned him TWICE BY NAME , no party mentioned, BY NAME, she was VERY particular TWICE in two seperate interviews.

When her campaign advisors fed her these lines, it is obvious that they don't understand how Pakistan works either.

Foreign policy while sipping teas and having cookies is not real foreign policy.

Time to wake up Clintonista's and explain away for Hillarity, come on, the rest of us are awake.

meltho   January 2nd, 2008 10:43 am ET

This, of course, begs the question: Does Hillary Clinton really have the foreign policy experience she has been touting?

Here's a site that elaborates on this story and includes a video of one of her slips:
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/01/01/waityou-mean-hillary-isnt-the-smartest-woman-in-the-world.php

RD   January 2nd, 2008 10:44 am ET

Biden is one of the most qualified canidates we have on the democratic party. I wish him well. Hillary is by far the worst. Her and Bill are just power hungry. Its time to send them back to Arkansas, or New York or who ever will take them. I have not decided who I am supporting as a canidate But Biden, and Richardson are the two most qualified canidate's we democrats have. And Edwards would make a great president. He may not be as qualified as Biden and Richardson but he could have beat Bush if Kerry had not been the presidential canidate on the ticket. Hillary and Obama will be a sure loss to the Republicans in 2008. They are the most controversial canidate amongst our own party. They cannot unite our own party enough to win. To many democrat's love or hate Hillary & Obama to the point they will not vote if the other wins. Republicans as a whole support the top 5 canidates of their party and will unite to support who ever the republican nominee is. Democrats do not have that. A vote for Hillary or obama is a loss to the republicans. Edwards stands the best chance of winning then he could pull Biden or Richardson as a Vice Pres. be a sure win for democrat's in 08.

bill   January 2nd, 2008 10:48 am ET

Theres no real problem with the fact that most of these candidates dont know what they are talking about when it comes to Pakistan. That just emphasizes the fact that the next American president needs to get make sure America gets out of Iraq ASAP, and leave the rest of the world alone.

Why mess with the world when you dont know anything about it?

No WMD's
No knowledge on Pakistan
No real "intelligence" on anything that can be relied on

Its a clear message that the candidates are givining on their own, they just need to stop and listen to what is coming out of their own mouths because they dont seem to be doing that.

E. C., Houston, Texas   January 2nd, 2008 10:49 am ET

Hey, Mooney……..Why didn't you LEAD with a Harsh Criticism of your girl, Sillary? IF this had been such a gaff by any other contender, you would have jumped on it and aimed for the jugular. You are SO LIBERAL BIASED!
By the way……….collectively, Democrats just don't cut it intellectually; if they did, the Democrats would be backing the Best Man, who is Biden, for the Nomination. Instead, the Democrats only clamour for a member of the "Political Road Show"……a Three-Ring Circus for the 3-Star Clowns of the Media! Readers are on to YOU, Mooney!
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Rus, Whitburn   January 2nd, 2008 10:49 am ET

It’s already been a long hard campaign, and people make mistakes, but the problem for HRC is that she puts herself forward as the experienced candidate with foreign relations prowess – ‘ready on day one’. Pakistan should be focussing the minds of those who may lead our country in the near future, and she seems to have a basic misunderstanding of the situation there, stated not once, but twice.

David, Boca Raton   January 2nd, 2008 10:52 am ET

What makes this worse is that she has been consistently confusing this basic point. This isn't the simple slip-up that could happen to anyone on any given issue, this is consistently providing wrong accounts on the same one. Add this to the list of reasons why Clinton is better suited to carpet bag any other political position.

Dave L   January 2nd, 2008 10:54 am ET

So, Huckabee gets excoriated for his "ignorant" comments on Pakistan, which is fair enough, but remember that he has never pretended to be a foreign affairs specialist. Hillary reveals a depth of ignorance that is equally abysmal if not more so in the circumstances — and she is making foreign affairs expertise a centrepiece of her argument about why she is "ready to lead from day 1″

Can I now assume that CNN will be calling B.S. on Hillary's so-called qualifications, at least as much as you piled on Huckabee?

I'm not holding my breath waiting for it!

Marge Hibbing Mn   January 2nd, 2008 10:54 am ET

Gee does it make Biden any more electable to say HE knows more than anybody else about Pakistan. Well we would like for things to be stable there, but I would like to know what a person is going to do to help THIS COUNTRY….And Hillary Clinton seems to be able to do that pretty well.

If Biden and the other candidates want to govern Pakistan, didn't he say they want to elect people soon, go for it.

Not fooled   January 2nd, 2008 10:56 am ET

Yea, right….Clinton was referring to Musharraf's party just like her husband didn't think a BJ was sex. When your wrong, you should be man enough to admit it….er I really meant woman enough.

Ryan, New Jersey   January 2nd, 2008 10:58 am ET

Dang, where'd she put all that Foreign policy experience she has!? I guess she left that in Bill's other pants…

Suma John   January 2nd, 2008 11:00 am ET

This no suprise that most american leaders are dommies, drug users and so on
E.g George walker Bush.

Ian   January 2nd, 2008 11:00 am ET

Funny thing is Obama knows even less about international politics and events. It will be a scary 4 years with either canidate if elected.

ishaq   January 2nd, 2008 11:01 am ET

How come the person who was interviewing Clinton did not correct her? Does not it show news media are also not aware of Pakistani election?

John   January 2nd, 2008 11:03 am ET

Joe, it's spelled RETIRE!

Kraig Rasool   January 2nd, 2008 11:06 am ET

There you have it…… Hilary Clinton with all respect should return to her lovely home wherever she resides and become Mrs Hilary Clinton to her husband
Bill. Its a very sad and dangerous thing to speak about foreign policies and make
numerous mistakes especially during these turbulent times…..Im sure that in the future if we pay attention to her speeches and many interviews we will surely be
shocked at what she knows and doesnt know…. Experience is the best teacher in
all facets of life so being a wife to her husband would be the best position for her.

Leslie   January 2nd, 2008 11:07 am ET

And apparently they think the rest of us are gullible…

Mooney - "The Clinton campaign has not yet returned a request for comment on Biden's comments, but said yesterday the New York Democrat was referring to Musharraf's party, not himself in particular."

HRC - "[Musharraf] could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election." & "If President Musharraf wishes to stand for election, then he should abide by the same rules that every other candidate will have to follow."

Does "person" & "every other candidate" (which is singular by nature) sound like a whole party to anyone else??? The writers for these guys must be on strike too!

LuckyDay   January 2nd, 2008 11:09 am ET

Hillary/Bill made a mistake? On foreign affairs? Can it be true? On the Clinton News Network? And Wolf didn't hammer her for it? Go figure. Here is the most "experienced" candidate, who we are supposed to be in awe of for her prowess in foreign affairs not even aware that her knowledge on this crucial point is lacking. The horror. The horror!!

Jason   January 2nd, 2008 11:10 am ET

Ian: The thing about Obama, though, is that he knows he's not that experienced with international politics and he'd surround himself with people who are (I would be shocked if he didn't pick Biden to be his running mate), whereas Hillary's posturing and statements make me believe she'll pick someone as inexperienced as she is because she thinks she's got the know how.

April Vargas, Montara, California   January 2nd, 2008 11:12 am ET

Obama was right about the situation in Pakistan months ago and was initially criticized for stating what now is accepted as reality — the current government in Pakistan is unwilling or/and unable to act effectively against terrorists within their country. Bhutto would have asked the US for help but that is no longer a possibility.
GObama 08!!

Ben, Chicago   January 2nd, 2008 11:12 am ET

wow, that's scary. here I am a lowly customer service rep and I knew more about the Pakistani election than Hillary. you just lost my vote lady.

Aaron   January 2nd, 2008 11:14 am ET

Looks like Hillary will be spending most of Day One getting On-the-Job Training. How can you argue you're experienced after something like this. What happens when you pick up the phone to talk with Musharraf and think he's up for re-election? Looks like her experience card has some holes in it.

Steven Brinson Windsor, Ontario Canada   January 2nd, 2008 11:15 am ET

What I find more interesting than what is percieved to be a gaffe is the fact that neither commentator caught or exposed what was said. Could this be because it was "understood" she was speaking of the party instead of the man? I'm sure either of the interviewers would have loved to have the spotlight on this story if there is a spotlight to be had. I think HRC is correct. Not that Mr. Biden is incorrect but this upcoming election is ALL about Musharraf'. The people of Pakistan right now seem to think so as well. How difficult it must be for writers to actually do some work in finding substantial information to report on instead of spin.

Sunny   January 2nd, 2008 11:15 am ET

Well, now it is up on Drudge. Chris Mattews will destroy HRC over this tonight.

Kurt - I'm Caucusing for Joe   January 2nd, 2008 11:16 am ET

Demonstrating once again that Sen. Biden is clearly the rational, experienced choice.

People accuse him of "running for Secretary of State." Obviously he's not, he's running for President. But answer this: would you vote for someone for President who is NOT qualified to be Secretary of State?

I mean, I'm just some joe schmoe out in Iowa somewhere, and I knew it was a parliamentary election in Pakistan. How did Sen. Clinton NOT know this? Being married to a president for eight years does not qualify you to be one.

Iowa! New Hampshire! Wake up! Support the grown-up in the race. Vote for Joe Biden.

Katy   January 2nd, 2008 11:17 am ET

Biden for Secretary of State!

nancy   January 2nd, 2008 11:18 am ET

It is a real tragedy that we are not going to elect the "best man' as our next president…Joe Biden know more than all the other candidates(democrats 7 republicans combined…He is the most qualified and the most knowledgable
candidate but…he has not had the publicity as the other runners so…people do not know him at well…This is a disgrace to our political system and the usa…Really a shame we will never get to see all the good Joe Biden could do for this country and it would be alot..I have followed Joe for several years and he is the only candidate who actually knows what he is talking about..and believe me..he knows what he is talking about…we will miss the chance to have a great president by by not electing Joe…
All the way behind you Joe…but will not be enough to elect him..everyone should go to joebiden>com and see for yourself what his credentials are and that he really is the "best candidate"

Ben, Columbia, SC   January 2nd, 2008 11:19 am ET

Joe Biden's comments on John Edwards:

"John Edwards passed 4 bills while he was in the US Senate. And they all had to do with the Post Office."

In other words, according to Joe, Johnny did nothing in the sentence.

I LuvHillary   January 2nd, 2008 11:19 am ET

Thanks Joe for pointung out these comments. This is probably one of the most productive thing you have said in this entire election slug feast. It will not help youe cause because once the electrict gets past your political job they clearly see that you have never had any realworld experience in your career. From school to politics you missed the real world along the way. Keep shooting even if they are blanks……………………………. I LuvHillary (Because she is from the party of" DaFeet" and will give me so much free stuff!!!!)

BCNU purple state, usa   January 2nd, 2008 11:19 am ET

Why doesn't Hillary every answer any of these questions? You always hear "statements" from the campaign. So much for her great intelligence! She hasn't a clue. Ready to lead on day one, please.

The only things she's running on are her celebrity status and myriad giveaway programs that those unwilling to do for themselves embrace.

Hopefully voters will be wise enough to see through this joke of a candidacy.

Cesc Fabregas   January 2nd, 2008 11:20 am ET

I don't like any of 'em, but certainly this points out (yet again, ad nauseum) the bias of the big papers (NYT, LAT, WaPo, etc)–if this had been said by Bush, or an R candidate, they'd have it on page A1 in war-sized type (and really, as they should–this is a MAJOR gaffe). "Experienced" Hillary, nary a peep I'll bet.

Franky Goes To Hollywood   January 2nd, 2008 11:20 am ET

Most Americans don't even know where Pakistan is.

Karen, Pasadena, CA   January 2nd, 2008 11:21 am ET

One again it shows that Hillary was at the bottom of her class at Yale, she never even graduated with honors, let alone Magna Cum Laude like the other candidates.

She did well at her all girls school, but when it came to Ivy league graduate school, she couldn't compete.

NO MORE 'C' STUDENTS FROM YALE!!! Elect someone who was at the top of their class, not the person who married the guy at the top of the class.

Ghostbuster   January 2nd, 2008 11:21 am ET

I'm Crushed ….. C.R.U.S.H.E.D. I tell you. The Smartest women in the world has let her mask slip off in public and we all just learned that she may be the Dumbest of the whole bunch.

Ken, NYC   January 2nd, 2008 11:22 am ET

Raman, yes, I saw the article on Scotland Yard being asked to help with the Bhutto investigation but don't think they will spill the beans that the ISI was behind it (and that the ISI is funded by the CIA and in turn both agencies created al-Queda).

Mike, Owosso, MI   January 2nd, 2008 11:23 am ET

Go Hillary !

teddy orlando   January 2nd, 2008 11:24 am ET

00OOOOPPPPSSSssss!! My Bad

I thought it was just me

Plus the obvious lie by the clinton campaign again!!! why not just say ooops she made a mistake i think people would have respected that more then spinning the mistake.

HRC is such a joke.

Biden you go

if Obama was not in the race i would vote for you

but

Obama/Biden 08 - cant be stopped

ken   January 2nd, 2008 11:24 am ET

SENATOR CLINTON STILL CAN'T TELL THE TRUTH.
HOW CAN SHE SUGGEST SHE WAS REFERRING TO "MUSHARRAF'S PARTY" WHEN SHE SAID "HE COULD BE THE ONLY PERSON ON THE BALLOT" !??

rodney dill   January 2nd, 2008 11:24 am ET

already a lame duck before the election

BERT WAYNE   January 2nd, 2008 11:24 am ET

The scam artists are in full sway out of ARKANSAS !!

John, Lincoln NE   January 2nd, 2008 11:24 am ET

Atta' boy Joe. It's a shame the media doesn't give this the attention it deserves.

This was not a slip of the tongue. She was very specific and it's obvious she believed that the election in question was for president and not the parliment. That should be a BIG red flag for someone who has 'so much experience' in these matters. The fact that she can't respond to a simple, 'oops, my mistake' even three days later is not surprising at all. The "say anything" candidate will certainly come up with some explanation of what she meant. Silly American public.

Biden and Dodd are the only candidates with the type of experience that Clinton claims to have. She is making it the centerpeice of her campaign so it's fair game. If you are voting on experience qualifications then Sen's Biden or Dodd are your only choices.

Dallas, CA   January 2nd, 2008 11:25 am ET

Oh come on, people. How many of you know the ins and outs of Pakistani politics?

I am not a fan of Hillary by any means, but there are plenty of legitimate concerns to hit her on. This is silly. I consider myself fairly well-versed in national and international news and politics, but I'm sure I make such "gaffes" from time to time, and I'm not running a full-time 20-hour-a-day presidential campaign. Maybe she misspoke, maybe she didn't know. So what? No president has to know everything that's going on in the world–they all have a huge team around them of specialists in each area. Bush has that and still can't get things right half the time.

Come down off your high horses, please.

Gary Tierney   January 2nd, 2008 11:26 am ET

Remarkable that either the Democrats or Republicans are chewing each other up over such things…but a good sign that they are holding each other accountable…considering that, after five years of war in Irag and Afghanistan, Bush couldn't point out either one on a world map.

Chris   January 2nd, 2008 11:26 am ET

Barack Obama has always been accurate with the greatest foresight on foreign policy discussion. Look up his 2002 Discussion of Iraq on YouTube or the 2004 discussion he had on YouTube.

All of which highlight the quagmire we currently face with the conflicts along Sunni, Shia Muslims including the Kurds.

He not only has policy to exit Iraq correctly while still having tactical strike advantages in the region through Kuwait, but also has policy on Iran, for Pakistan etc.

If people want to learn and investigate and have the same knowledgeable perspective on things, then listen to Barack as he is the most educated of all the candidates. The best student Harvard Law has ever had.

Lisa T., Plano, TX   January 2nd, 2008 11:26 am ET

Joe Biden "gets it" in a big way. He has the experience, wisdom and tenacity to lead our country and is head and shoulders above the rest of the pack. We will regret it if he is not nominated as the Democratic candidate for POTUS. Biden '08!

HILLARYLOVER NY NY   January 2nd, 2008 11:27 am ET

Everyone wants to jump down Hillary's throat for this "misstep" but if anyone was following the situation in Pakistan as I have even Benazir Bhutto herself seemed to suggest that Musharraf was running in this upcoming election. She repeatedly referred to him by name over and over in this election cycle–not his party. Also if anyone else has been paying attention Mrs Bhutto's husband is actually quoting Hillary Clinton and urging the government to follow her idea of allowing an international investigation into her assasination. If memory serves me no one was quoting Biden.

The people who post here were never supporters of Hillary so they are eager to point out every single media driven misstep by Hillary Clinton. They want the story of the front-runner falling to a newcomer. Drives the ratings. When Obama makes mistakes like saying he will bomb inside the SOVEREIGN nation of Pakistan–the very country that is going through so much political turmoil now, he is given a pass by the media and his supporters. Doing that would be a DISASTER. Could you imagine what kind of turmoil would be going on inside Pakistan if this would have happened? A muslim nation with nuclear capability?

What I urge is people in their incessant thirst for change not make a disastrous decision by voting for someone because they appeal to you emotionally. We all jumped on Bush supporters for doing the same thing. We were wondering what color glasses they were wearing when they RE-ELECTED him. Please don't make this mistake again America. Hillary may not be perfect, but she is our last great hope for taking back the White House.

One last thing. Remember after the elections, you won't see any of these candidates again unless it's on TV. They won't know you you won't know them. It will be business as usual no matter WHO gets elected.

HILLARY 2008 and Beyond!

Mark - Michigan   January 2nd, 2008 11:28 am ET

Beats 1999 when G.W. was asked who the leader of Pakistan and other countries were.

Remember?

Hiller asked Bush to name the leaders of Chechnya, Taiwan, India and Pakistan. Bush was only able to give a partial response to the query on the leader of Taiwan, referring to Taiwanese President Lee Teng-hui simply as "Lee." He could not name the others.

"Can you name the general who is in charge of Pakistan?" Hiller asked, inquiring about Gen. Pervaiz Musharraf, who seized control of the country October 12.

"Wait, wait, is this 50 questions?" asked Bush.

Hiller replied: "No, it's four questions of four leaders in four hot spots."

Scott, Madison, WI   January 2nd, 2008 11:29 am ET

Pretty sad that one of the so-called second tier candidates had to point out that all the experience - (witnessed - as pointed out by another so-called second tier candidate, Senator Dodd, thank you very much) - Queen Hillary is touting does not, indeed, make her any more qualified to "hit the ground running on day one" than any of the other candidates.

And why isn't the oh-so-informed media picking up on these rather than just reporting them after they've been cited by other candidates? Maybe because they are all busy consulting their most reliable source, Dana Perino, White House Spokesmodel!

Brad, Stockton, CA   January 2nd, 2008 11:29 am ET

Goodness… is this an example Hillary's foreign policy "EXPERIENCE?" If so, we would be far better off eliminating the exerience and going for the change.

Richard Staniszewski, Fayetteville GA   January 2nd, 2008 11:30 am ET

Typical Clinton bantor….Lot's of talk with little substance. Way to go Hillary!!

Rich   January 2nd, 2008 11:30 am ET

The realy sad part is - unlike Huck at least she knows where Pakistan is and what Countries it borders. I don't like her - she doesn't even know what goes on in her own bedroom room, yet along this Country. None of the candidates are really any good. I just hope Huck doesn't win…that man is a threat to this Country.

Chuck   January 2nd, 2008 11:30 am ET

And this surprises you???

Hillary is a sham. The media continues to promote her, but everyone knows it.

Jon Carry   January 2nd, 2008 11:30 am ET

I love comments like those from Suma John. Always good to hear from such intelligent people!

Jacob, Lexington MA   January 2nd, 2008 11:31 am ET

Yeah right, Hillary. I'm sure you were referring to th President's party, and not himself in particular. What a stretch of the truth! Spin away support staff.

mike, dallas, TX   January 2nd, 2008 11:31 am ET

So much for the Hillary "experience".
But let us not forget the so called "pundits" Georgie and Wolfie didn't pick up on the mistake either when they interviewed her and it reflects in the shallowness of their knowledge.

Tobias   January 2nd, 2008 11:32 am ET

Watching Hillary pontificate, with such an air of arrogance, about the political turmoil in Pakistan was disturbing in so many ways. Hillary was completely wrong across the board about the Pakistan candidates, elections and policies. Will the MSM report this or just continue to cower in fear to Hillary's intimidations.

Ash, NY,NY   January 2nd, 2008 11:32 am ET

After reading some of these posts, I am starting to feel better about this country. So many of you are not fooled by the bill/hill vaudville act! Good for you. If she is the dem nominee - I vote for McCain. WE NEED JOE BIDEN!!!!!! Biden 2008!

jack taylor   January 2nd, 2008 11:32 am ET

I am a Republican, but I believe that Sen. Biden is the best qualified to be President from the Democratic Party.

Kevin   January 2nd, 2008 11:33 am ET

If she's nominated, the Republicans will clean our clocks. What a fool…always has been.

nesnah   January 2nd, 2008 11:34 am ET

It is an insult to all of us for them to think we are so lacking in intellegence, that they can say she was not referring to him but to his party, and for then to assume we would believe it.

Just imagine how they would look down on the people in this country if they were elected.

Bill, OHIO   January 2nd, 2008 11:34 am ET

All you Clinton Haters…why don't you grow up and start using your brains. Your petty nit-picking is the core of whats wrong with American poloitics. NOBODY is perfect and whoever YOU are voting for isn't either…and they WILL slip up occasionally as humans do. Hillary knows whats best for America and not maintaining an A+ grade in Pakistani History while fighting the battle of her life can be easily forgiven. When she messes upon AMERICAN history and events, then she should go home. In the meanwhile, she is by FAR still the best person for the job of President.

Hoiward   January 2nd, 2008 11:35 am ET

I listened with great interest to a Joe Biden TV appearance New Years night. I thought his remarks concerning Pakistan were right on. Now today on CSpan there has been a panel of experts on Pakistani politics who nearly word for word recounted Bidens remarks. I am praying (if thats still ok in the USA) that the democrats will see the need for Joe Biden as our next president. I am registered republican but I will for the first time in my 72 years on this planet vote Democrat if Biden is the nominee.

melane   January 2nd, 2008 11:35 am ET

This is just another example of male gender bias. I dont care if she doesnt know where Pakistan is. We need a woman in the White House to offset the male garbage that has infiltrated the Democratic Party culture. Lesbians that are not impeded by male influence will change this country. Hillary will lead us and get the Democratic party back on track. Forget the Bidens and Obamas- they are jusy biased males that try to make us look bad.

NM   January 2nd, 2008 11:36 am ET

Everybody gave W grief for not knowing the name of the Pakistan's President. (The General!)

But Hill gets a pass for not knowing that Mush rigged his own relection months ago!

Bias? Ofcourse Not!!!

Colin   January 2nd, 2008 11:39 am ET

Hillary also said that there needed to be an independent investigation with which Obama disagreed. When Pakistan said they would handle the investigation, Obama said this showed he was right. I do not recall Biden disagreeing with Obama.
Now Pakistan has agreed to Scotland Yard conducting an investigation. Based on this, Hillary was RIGHT and Obama and Biden were WRONG. Hillary's mistake was minor in comparison to Obama's "President of Canada" statement and other gaffs.
Biden does has an exceptional knowledge of world affairs but that does not mean that he would be a good diplomat or able to improve relations with other nations. Biden's criticism of Hillary supports Obama who Biden had agreed earlier that his international experience was that of a child in Indonesia.
It looks like Biden prefers an inexperienced Obama to a far more experienced woman and perhaps this explains his low standing in the polls.

Jackson   January 2nd, 2008 11:40 am ET

Wow. OOOPS is right. Though my clear choice is Edwards, seeing Hillary so noticeably screwing this one up is very distressing. Especially coming from the "experienced" candidate.

Impressive that CNN is running this, since it seems they've been giving her a pass for so long.

Mike, Baltimore, MD   January 2nd, 2008 11:41 am ET

Haha! She has lost her self confidence

Kevin, SF, CA   January 2nd, 2008 11:42 am ET

What's the big deal about the leader of the country not having a few minor facts straight? Look at Bush : he didn't know Musharraf's name, and look at how awesome Pakistan turned out in the past 8 years.

What we need is another president who doesn't quite have everything down pat, has to rely heavily on advisors for direction, and has the political skills to blame it on other parties.

Or, we could just nominate and elect Biden, who has the skills, experience, and character to improve the sorry state of things.

D Kirk   January 2nd, 2008 11:42 am ET

It is sad indeed for the Dem to have the top 3 canidates so weak. Biden and Dodd are clearly the best suited to step in and lead us at this time in our history, but they are getting scraps in the polls.
I am a Reb, an not at all happy about my options, but worse comes to worse and a Dem is elected, I just wish it was one the smart ones.

maureengan   January 2nd, 2008 11:42 am ET

Joe Biden's comment is very important. He specifically points out that Hilary has not done her homework on Pakistan. This is such a critical area in foreign policy -an area that she as a Senator working on Armed Forces committee should be well informed. Certainly, her campaign researchers (people versed in political science) should know how the government works in Pakistan. In any event, they should have been checking the news more carefully in the aftermath of the death of Mrs. Bhutto. If one looks back at her comments, that she knew Mrs. Bhutto—that is not as important as knowing how elections take place in that country. Her experience is bogus and her friend, Joe Biden is pointing that out.

josh   January 2nd, 2008 11:43 am ET

WAIT WAIT WAIT. Hillary has to win the primary. How else will conservatives win the general election.

Bob H   January 2nd, 2008 11:43 am ET

If Joe Biden was the Dem nominee - I would vote for him…..and I am a Republican……I've been impressed with him for years…..

Harry, NY NY   January 2nd, 2008 11:43 am ET

Thank you Joe for pointing out how "experienced" Hillary really is.

Don't mention that Pakistan got nuclear capabilites during the Clinton admin.

But what a great point! Already elected!

Shelly   January 2nd, 2008 11:44 am ET

Not to offend anyone here, but when does an American, let it be from an upper class or lower class has an understanding of world affairs? Please, she is not alone and sure most of you could not point where Pakistan/Iraq/Saudi Arabia is on the map!
I am a Brit, it amazes me how many people in this country do not know why we are a United Kingdom and think that England is the U.K.!

Bush is a gaffe to humanity along with all the neocons in Washington. America will suffer greatly if this sort of politics are allowed to endure. How many of you read foreign newspapers or news on the net? Wakeup people, you are being denied the truth!

FRANK   January 2nd, 2008 11:44 am ET

HILLARY IS ALL ABOUT POWER. HUCK IS SCARY; DID YOU SEE HIS BUBBA SONS ESPECIALLY THE DOG KILLER? POOR LITTLE OBAMA AIN'T GOT SENSE ENOUGH TO REALIZE THE DAMAGE HE WOULD CAUSE TO US. THE BRECK BOY NEEDS TO GET A JOB CHASING AMBULANCES SOON. CAN YOU IMAGINE LISTENING TO BIDEN FOR 4 YEARS. TOO BAD RICHARDSON CAN'T FORGE AHEAD ALTHOUGH HE IS A LIBERAL.
MCCAIN NEEDS MENTAL HELP; SEE DR. DEAN. GOD HELP US.

icrutchfield   January 2nd, 2008 11:44 am ET

Another 'oops' coming from the 'genius of the world' according to billy bob. Remeber the whopper told by her regarding her dangerous mission to bosnia? Caliming to be in a dangerous mission with a corkscrew landing? It just so happen, that her daughter, sheryl crow, and sinbad where with her, and no such thing happened. One servicemember on that mission told a different story, no danger involved at all.
As Geffen said once: all politicians lie, but the clintons do it with so much ease, it's troubling!

jen johns, riverside, ca   January 2nd, 2008 11:45 am ET

God, that woman can lie! WHY can't she just say she goofed instead of lie, lie, lie…the woman is stupid and doesn't know her politics! This is bad especially since Pakistan has been dominating the news lately. Even my 11 yr. old grandson knows what's happening over there.
This goes to mrs. clinton's lack of experience, and knowledge. She would be an 'understudy' president, just as you don't get the real thing when you see a play and the lead actor is off for the night and the understudy fills in. She is like riding on a flat tire that has been patched! She is used merchandise, never new and fresh, just old news, soooooo yesterday! Snap out of it America!

Dennis Kelly   January 2nd, 2008 11:45 am ET

The news media are little more than pretty faces and they don't know any more than a teleprompter tells them. They pronounce words improperly, couldn't find most of the places they discuss on a map and well - garbage in, garbage out. Of course these geniuses didn't catch Hillary's mistakes, or indeed those of anyone they interview. Their little minds are already going on to the next vacuous question and they don't even listen to the answer of the question they just asked. Mindless voters of course continue to vote for the candidate with the least wrinkles and most perfect hair and are even less educated than the media personalities they adore. I say we need to go back to the Constiutional beginnings when to vote you had to own property, which at least presumed you had a semblance of an education and probably were at least literate. This sorry state of affairs didn't start yesterday and it's not likely to get better anytime soon with the excellent educations being provided by our government school systems. We've had many exchange students, who although they come here as 16 year olds, already have the education of USA college sophomore. They were ranked #1 in their honors governement classes, even though they were brand new in our school. When asked to fill in a blank map of the country and name all the states and capitals, or a map of the world and all the countries, etc, they were the only ones to get them all right! They also knew all of our goverment functions and systems, our key leaders, our foreign policy, etc. Is this a sad situation or what?

Ryan   January 2nd, 2008 11:45 am ET

The interviewer shouldn't have to correct her, first off, because shes running for president in a country where we pride ourselves on international relations. And I'm pretty sure that was a quote by Joe, so it has nothing to do with him spelling 'retire' correctly…its obviously the aurthor of the article. I agree with Ian on this comment, completely. I am a moderate and am scared to see either HRC or Obama elected for reasons just like this. I hope all democrats are ready for atleast four more years of someone thats an elephant, not a donkey, because John Edwards is 'the next best' and he has the IQ of a bagel.

And Suma John, just stay out of it, you obviously can't spell or correctly represent our presidents full name when you try to use it; you're immmediately void. Plus I'm sure you're nation's leader is a real winner, too.

Tyler in Raleigh, NC   January 2nd, 2008 11:45 am ET

So she doesnt know what is going on in Pakistan…… that explains why she voted to invade Iraq and now claims she didn't, she probably made a mistake on that too! She probably confused with "invade Iraq" with "order lunch" and thought it was a grand idea. Same with Iran and everything else she did and then flips flops on.

Wow, just what we need for President….. someone speaking about issues they are ignorant about, leads to great decisions (just see George Bush).

Obama may not have these years of so called "experience" but he is bright enough to take advice from others and research a topic before voting on an issue. Clinton on the other hand while either just dive in and then take a poll to see if she needs to make excuses for her actions.

Pete   January 2nd, 2008 11:46 am ET

As Joe Biden once said, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself."

Justin K   January 2nd, 2008 11:46 am ET

I really hope people begin to see Hilary for what she really is and thats just an excellent politician. She can dodge and move through tough questions better than anyone in the field. But, that doesnt mean she should be President. Its truly a shame someone like Biden isnt taken seriously as a top-tier candidate. He has the most experience out of any of them. Biden/Dodd Biden/Obama or hell even Gore/Biden wouldve worked for me. Instead, we have Hilary, sigh.

Tom in Loma Linda, California   January 2nd, 2008 11:48 am ET

Experience counts. On the subject of Pakistan both Clinton and Huckabee demonstrated the are not ready for leading America. Voters should carefully reflect on which candidate is best prepared to be president of the United States. We live in a dangerous world where only knowledgeable, stable persons should occupy the White House. Neither Clinton, Huckabee, or Obama have the experience or capacity to be a good president. They are leading candidates but voters should drop them off their radar screens and look at other candidates. The depth of knowledge and leadership skills among the remaining candidates of both parties is not comforting but that doesn't mean we should get caught up in a poster contest for president. It's time to stop thinking about party politics and to give serious consideration to who is best among the remaining candidates to guide our nation in perilous times. That choice is yours but Clinton, Huckabee, and Obama don't make the list. I could add others (that are quite obvious) but the choice is yours. Get serious folks.

Wally   January 2nd, 2008 11:48 am ET

Don't worry folks. The Clintons are EXPERT liars. As president, Hil will be able to lie right back to all those countries that lie to us all the time.

Let's elect a moral-less liar as our next president. That will show the world who we really are!

Trey   January 2nd, 2008 11:48 am ET

Like any of your Biden supporters or Hillary bashers knew who was running in Pakistan, way to jump on a bandwagon of ignorance

merlisa   January 2nd, 2008 11:49 am ET

It's funny how Obama gets stuck with the "inexperience" tag when Edwards was just a one-term senator after years of abulance chasing. Hilliary has only been a senator for a few more years than Obama. Hillary spent most of her life as a candidates wife.

Just because you trust your doctor that doesn't mean you'd allow his wife to write perscriptions for you.

And our current president had done nothing for years, except run companies into the ground, until he was elected governnor in 1994. By 2000 he was running for president. This guy was arrested for DUI in his 40s.

Obama received a BA from Columbia University, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations. He entered Harvard Law School in 1988. In 1990, The New York Times reported his election as the Harvard Law Review's "first black president in its 104-year history". He completed his Juris Doctor degree magna cum laude in 1991. He spent several years in the Illinois state senate before running for US Senate.

I don't see where he is that much less experienced than Hillary or Edwards. Now if you're talking about Biden, that's another story. It's just funny how once the media tags you something, people start believing it.

Hillary's mistake just exposes how she's been feeding us a bunch of bull about herself and Obama. I'd take him over her or Edwards in Foreign policy any day.

I'd take Biden over anyone in this race, regardless of party. That man knows what he's talking about.

lenloc   January 2nd, 2008 11:51 am ET

Its not the mistake stupid. its the lame cover up!
I mean who is she fooling by saying she was referring to the party and not the person.
Like Bill parsing the meaning of "is"!

Gloria, San Francisco, Ca   January 2nd, 2008 11:51 am ET

And, Mr. Bush knew so much about foreign policy and we, the intelliegent, elected him twice??

Instead of calling the candidates a bunch of names, why don't we start calling ourselves out for allowing our liberties to be stripped and our integrity (as a nation) to be looted by the very people we elected. If we (voters) were even half as smart as you bloggers think "you" are, Bush would have lost in a landslide in the first election and our country would not be in the mess it is in today.

Jay   January 2nd, 2008 11:52 am ET

Suma John, it is no surprise that most "American" leaders are "dummies," drug users, and so on. Whatis also a surprise is that YOU appear to be an American leader as well. As for Hillarious, she is probably the candidate least likely to destroy our foreign policy and the economy. And, before you all annoint Joe Biden "The Most Serious and Learned Foreign Policy Scholar in the Country," better run and check that he didn't steal his ideas from someone else.

Shannon, Charlottesville, VA   January 2nd, 2008 11:52 am ET

why must biden be a long shot for president? i think we need someone with his character.

i can't say i understand pakistan either, but i expect a presidential candidate to. how can hillary say she has a lot of experience but make this kind of mistake?

Tennessee Budd   January 2nd, 2008 11:52 am ET

Melane (is that the street you live on? Me Lane?) shows the truth–Hitler hass the dyke vote as well as the moonbat vote, not much else.

OJC   January 2nd, 2008 11:52 am ET

"This is just another example of male gender bias"

Cause we expect a woman running for president to be knowledgable of foriegn affairs?

She isn't being picked on because she is a woman, she is being picked on because she doesn't understand the current affairs of a very important/unstable country.

laurie   January 2nd, 2008 11:54 am ET

Clinton has created her myth of foreign experience and fortunately it's being exposed before we make the mistake of electing her.

Edwards simply doesn't know what he doesn't know. His call of condolences to Musharif was a freewheeling blunder (with a nation that has nuclear weapons) since it hasn't been established what role Musharif might have played in Bhutto's death. His action has angered people in the Middle East.

Obama understands Pakistan cannot be dealt with in isolation - that it is an important part of our entire Middle East strategy. He also respects and shares Joe Biden's assessment of the situation.

I would like to see these 2 men running together - they are both decent, smart men of integrity who really do care about the American people. I would vote for them on either a Biden/Obama ticket or Obama/Biden ticket. I think they would win in a landslide and be one of the most effective political teams in history.

Biden Backer/Seattle   January 2nd, 2008 11:55 am ET

Why Biden is stomping all the other candidates is astounding. More qualified than the rest from both parties together, which admittedly isn't saying a lot…

We need this guy elected.

Dan, Maryland   January 2nd, 2008 11:55 am ET

No surprise here. Hillary is a fake and was exposed.

I'm sure her crazed supporters will ignore the gaffe anyway.

Ed, NC   January 2nd, 2008 11:55 am ET

Please, let's not send another Clinton or Bush to the White House.

Andy J, Upstate NY   January 2nd, 2008 11:55 am ET

Typical of Hillary Supporters…. Biden criticizes her phony experience claims and Hillary's supporters bash bush and the republicans. WEAK.

Steve   January 2nd, 2008 11:55 am ET

Hillary is nothing more than a great salesman. (If she dropped her shorts, I'm sure I would be vindicated in using the male gender.) If Hillary gets to be President by some fluke of political luck, Bill will certainly be the first lady, as Hillary has even more testosterone than Bill does. I sure there will be more female interns under the oval office desk, but I doubt that the world will find out about it.

Mindy Chatsworth, California   January 2nd, 2008 11:55 am ET

I admire Joe Biden and think he is one of the most intelligent, articulate and well-informed Democratic candidates. I wish he could manage to garner more support. He deserves it. All along he has been telling it like it is, both in foreign and domestic affairs. I am beginning to think that he is too smart to be president. That doesn't seem to be high on the wish list of a good many people in this country. It's true that he has been talking about Pakistan in almost every debate, trying to make us aware of the potential dangers in that country. The Bhutto assassination has shown that he was right to be concerned.

I love how he tarred and feathered Giuliani with the best sound bite in one of the debates about how every sentence he says is a noun, a verb and 9/11. So true! He doesn't speak in sound bites or rehearsed sentences. If he can't get the nomination, then at least he deserves consideration for the vice presidential spot on the ticket.

As far as Hillary is concerned, I do think this is a big deal. She has spent a great deal of time projecting herself as the candidate with the experience and knowledge needed in foreign affairs. Unfortunately, every gaffe takes on a life of its own, even more so as we close in on the Iowa caucas. I do think it's fair to hold her responsible for any mistakes she makes in foreign policy comments. Whatever she meant to say, it came off as though she didn't realize that Musharraf was up for election. As the first woman running for president, she comes under even more scrutiny and, fair or not, every statement gets the full glare of national publicity.

Yes, it's fair to chastise her for this remark, but to put her in the same category as Huckabee is ridiculous. At least she has a brain and she's not running on faith in Jesus and creationism. There is a world of difference between her and Huckabee. I will probably support her as the best option and the most electable, but in my heart I know that Biden has shown the smarts, common sense and straight talk that we should expect from a presidential candidate.

William   January 2nd, 2008 11:56 am ET

Hillary was and is a poser. Her campaign's spin on her wrong assessment is typical. Don't make her the nominee.

lasertex   January 2nd, 2008 11:56 am ET

Being the Smartest women in the world doesn't show well for the rest of the women of the world. Hill needs to resign from the senate and stick to playing hostest for Bill's after dinner playthings.

Hugh   January 2nd, 2008 11:56 am ET

I am a Republican, would never vote for any of the Dem front runers. Joe Biden is the only adult running on the Dem side. (My side could use some grown ups too.)

pk   January 2nd, 2008 11:57 am ET

but but but, according to CNN she's had tea with bhutto, right.

see how stupid it is to assume that first ladies pay close attention to policy?

Steve   January 2nd, 2008 11:58 am ET

First off, I wonder how many on here under Pakistani politics? If you did, you would realize that the Parliamentary elections would have produced a Prime Minister which in most countries like Pakistan are just as important or more so than the President. So it was/is an important election.

Having said that, Hillary really blew this one. And then to try and cover up with some lame excuse makes it even worse. As far as Biden and Dodd, if the Dems are elected I just hope someone like them is put in as Secretary of State who knows what they are talking about in foreign policy. I really doubt any President knows everything about every country, though again with an "ally" like Pakistan they sure better.

So, Hillary should be shamed by media, voters, and everyone else for this gaffe, but at the same time I am not sure any candidate that is likely to get the nomination doesn't need a Biden, Lieberman, Lugar, or the like to have as Secretary of State.

The worse gaffe of Hillary's for me is that she claims to have known about top secret stuff under Bill that she did not have security clearance to know. She said it and I have seen no media pick up on it. Should that not be a federal crime with her pulling out of the race for it?

jw. oregon   January 2nd, 2008 11:58 am ET

the oroblem is not the gaffe itself, but Hillary's pretense and deceit, including in the "explanation" offered

Jeff from Jersey   January 2nd, 2008 11:59 am ET

Even Pakistan doesn't understand what's going on in Pakistan but Clinton should know better.The truth is NONE of the candidates of either party really know what's been going on becaue they are so caught up in campaigning that they haven't been able to watch everything else that's going on minute by minute.What Biden knows today he'll make up for what he doesn't see tommorrow.Obama is so busy trying to be a Huck Finn candidate he's couldn't even get his flying circus to land at the right airport not too long ago.He's also clipping coupons out of the newspaper and going to Walmart.Clinton has been so busy saying and unsaying things that she's barely been able to keep an eye on what Bill has been saying and unsaying.

The Republicans are even worse.The republican "Huck Finn" has been so busy getting things wrong that he's resorted to hanging what used to be a symbol of Christianity behind him so that while he's so busy screwing everything else up,he thinks he can get people to think he's been endorsed by God.Romney has been trying so hard to to paint Huck as a foreign relations idiot and convince the Christian extremists that while he's a Morman,he's really just another Christian conservative that goes to different church but even he can't remember whether he's in a christian church or a morman church at any given moment.Giuliani has been keeping his big mouth shut because he hasn't been able to hide the fact that he's such a mean-spirited jerk and even he can't figure out if he's really a republican conservative or a liberal democrat.McCain has been getting his senior citizen discount at the matinee shows at the movies and trying to pretend he's really not just a washed up old fool while Fred Thompson has been showing slides of all the places he's been on vaction to around the world.The rest are so irrelevant they aren't even news-worthy any more.

Is there anyone left on the planet that still doesn't understand why the world,especially our country,is as screwed up and dangerous as it is?I mean besides Bush?

Lars42   January 2nd, 2008 11:59 am ET

Almost eight years ago this country voted for a man totally ill-equipped to lead our nation in difficult times. Unprepared for terrorist attacks (briefing books went unread), President Bush squandered the kindness and solidarity offered us by the rest of the world and literally undid 200+ years of accumulated goodwill.

We are once again poised to nominate a candidate more for the family she comes from and less for her credentials as a leader. Adams, Roosevelt, Kennedy, Bush and now Clinton. The unnatural appeal of a free people to Royalty is dumbfounding. Media and money appear to trump experience and ability. As Ann Richards said of George Bush, "Mrs. Clinton was born on third base and walks around bragging about hitting a triple."

It is time we treated elections less like the celebrity of American Idol and more like the founding fathers planned. The best person for the job should be elected. Joe Biden is clearly that man.

Jack   January 2nd, 2008 12:01 pm ET

The fact that Melane doesn't care if Hillary knows where Pakistan is, scares me as much as the fact that Hillary doesn't understand the international situation. That is a primary responsibility of the President. I thinks all of the candidates should be required to take a public oral test on such topics as the "vital intersts" of the US, the official positions of foreign governments and the history of events which shape them.

Jen, Gainesville, FL   January 2nd, 2008 12:02 pm ET

Some of the comments sound that this issue is about gender (e.g. tea or cookies). Please be serious. It is about judgment and experience. Clearly, Hillary does not have good judgment. This is why she was fooled twice by Bush and many times by Bill. That is why she has to claim that she has the experience.

What kind of experience doe she have? Nothing to speak of about her senate record. So, the only thing left is her experience as the First Lady because the public can not verify her claims anyway with records available.

Now the gaffe. "The emperor has no clothes on." I hope more and more people can start to believe it now.

A comment to Ian who said that Obama knows less about Parkistan than Hillary: Ian, we need to say from facts. One fact is that Obama is the first presidential candiate who warned us months ago that Parkistan is a problem that has been ignored. Biden was the second candidate who concurred by pointing to the potential nuke problem in Parkistan. This is good judgment.

Obama/Biden 2008

marfa   January 2nd, 2008 12:03 pm ET

All the Democrats and 1/2 the Republicans are all over the map when it comes to most vital issues - like a blind quarterback who doesn't even know which play is called. I mean it is absolutely dumbfounding that these men (that includes Hillary) are the best of those who'd run. Maybe some Republicans who would actually be good, and there are several, did not want to face the Clinton Destruction Team - thinking s/he would be the Dem candidate. Who would want to go through that hell? They have a scorched earth policy when dealing with everyone - even their close friends if it benefits them. Biden once in a while will make a coherent observation but he is an arrogant, vain wannabe.

Anonymous   January 2nd, 2008 12:03 pm ET

The Democrats, with few exceptions, are an emotional party.

Joe Biden is a logical / sequential thinker and is capable of leading the US.

Hillary and many other Democrats are emotional leaders that hope to get elected on the voters "feelings".

Too many Democrats think in a void. Democrats may not like it, but we as a nation are competing on so many levels in the International Arena IE: Economic, Military, Geo-Political etc. The world is competitive and wishing it not true is futile.

The facts of politics are much like Physics. Deny if you wish but gravity and time will win. The rest of the world DOES not and WILL not operate on "feelings" and an emotional leader will seriously damage our nation for many years to come.

If Hillary is elected because she is female (emotional vote), America will get what we deserve.

No more… no less.

Bill, Las Vegas, NV   January 2nd, 2008 12:04 pm ET

While I've been in Vegas working for the children of America, I have to point out that Hillary did not say what she said to Wolfy and on ABC. What she said is that Pakistan needs a President like her in the White House and that President Musharraf also wants her there to add stability to the world. Hillary has vast experience with everything and that includes Pakistan because she actually, personally met folks there and has eaten Pakistani food as well. None of the other candidates can say that. And what about that near-fatal plane ride where Hillary practically took control of the plane and made a perfect corkscrew landing on top of the palace. Sinbad soiled himself, but Hillary, being a co-president, took the lead - just as she will take the lead and make life perfectly fine for our children and make the rich pay for it. Anyone who says different is just prejudiced against women and children and also hates blacks. Hillary and I have always talked about foreign policy since we were at Yale together and she knows what foreigners are like and can spot them as well as anyone. She particularly likes those who come in from Mexico and vote for democrats without any identification - because its not fair to them to require it. They're poor. They can't speak English and they care about children - that's why they are good Democrats. I can honsetly say that while I'm working for the children here in Vegas at a very nice homeless shelter called Pure Platinum. . no, I think this one is called "Fantasy Palace," I hope all good caring patriotic Iowans reject Mr. Barak Hussein Osama, I mean Obamba. Whatever. Hillary can make the Earth cleaner and children smarter just by being in the same room. That's foreign policy! Go Hillary!!

catherine   January 2nd, 2008 12:05 pm ET

umm… joe… musharraf was reelected three months ago, not half a year ago.

biden, in his self righteous rant, got it wrong too… which is kind of worse, no? if you're going to attack someone for not understanding foreign politics, you'd better get your own facts straight first.

Greg, Phoenix, AZ   January 2nd, 2008 12:05 pm ET

WOW

yet another BIG mistake for Team Hill

guess all that experience is not translating into running a sharp campaign…if they keep this up they may end up blowing what would amount to a 4 TD lead in a football game…

REALLY like the campaign person's outright lie that Hillary was referring to Musharraf's party and not him…THIS is representative of the kind of people Hillary and are campaign are, and THIS is the kind of people SOME are willing to entrust the future of this country to…SCARY beyond all belief!

C, Norfolk, VA   January 2nd, 2008 12:05 pm ET

"Beats 1999 when G.W. was asked who the leader of Pakistan and other countries were."

Mark - Michigan January 2, 2008 11:28 am ET

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The difference, Mark, it that Hillary proclaims herself to be extremely experienced in foreign affairs and can "hit the ground running". According to her, she stands head over shoulders above the other candidates in experience, foreigh and domestic. GW made no such proclaimation in 1999. Bill Clinton has been describing Hillary with superlatives as well. Biden has merely pointed out what many people have already known. Hillary is not what she, and "husband" Bill, says she is. If she did not have the surname she has, we wouldn't even be discussing this woman.

Dave Diamond, Mont Vernon, NH   January 2nd, 2008 12:07 pm ET

Clinton will be surrounded by lots of knowledgeable people, right? So her own personal lack of grasp of the situation is irrelevant, right?

Ha — I thought the same thing about George W. Bush some seven years ago. How bad could things be with all of the smart people he's surrounding himself with?

Boy did we ever get burned back then. The president has to juggle so much, and has to delegate so much.

But the important stuff — please, can we have a president that's ready on day one to deal with it all himself/herself? PLEASE?

Joe Biden will be that president and I can't wait for my chance to give him my vote just six days from now!

Ohio Bob   January 2nd, 2008 12:07 pm ET

Only problem with Biden is that he can't resist trying to be the brightest boy in the room. Subsequently, he shoots from the hip and says incredibly stupid things (especially when taking into account his genious). He is also a bit of a hot-head (and that is putting it mildly) and the poster-boy for churlish, acerbic behavior . As such, Biden, as President, would be a total disaster. He would be a polarizing figure that could be counted upon to cause logjam after logjam in the legislative process.

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