(CNN) - Focus on the Family founder James Dobson pointed to Mike Huckabee’s Iowa caucus win Friday as evidence that religious voters remain a “powerful force” in U.S. politics.
“The results of the Iowa caucuses reveal that conservative Christians remain a powerful force in American politics. That had to be a great shock to those on the far left,'” Dobson said in a statement, according to the Associated Press.
Dobson, who has not officially endorsed a presidential candidate, took aim at "media elites" for dismissing the influence of Christian voters, and said Huckabee's win "was evidence of an energized and highly motivated conservative community."
Nearly 60 percent of Iowa Republicans are self-identified evangelicals.
–CNN's Rebecca Sinderbrand
God is intolerant of sin because He is holy, good and just. You missed the part of love the sinner, hate the sin, very conveniently. God loves all the people He created, including you, even if you don't believe He exists. What He doesn't like is the sin we all commit daily. Feel free to toss your Bible in the fire, you have that freedom in this country.
On another note, I do believe people can be Christians and be liberal Democrats. No one but God can judge the heart of another person. I personally know Christians from many different denominations that range the spectrum from liberal to conservative, they just emphasize different aspects of God. Instead of focusing on the differences it would be better if Christians could focus on common ground. We are members of one body, different parts with different roles, but serve the same God.
We do not have a "state" sponsored religion in this country. Separation of Church and State exists and anyone who doesn't understand that, doesn't understand what it really means. When approx. 80% of the population claims to be Christian, it is no surprise that Christian values will be an important factor in the lives of the people, and thus influence gov't to some degree. However, last I checked the gov't was not telling anyone they had to go to a particular church, or any church at all, so all the nonsense about keeping church and state separate is a bunch of hype. If you are not a Christian, that is fine, you can still live in this country and enjoy the same freedoms as everyone else, so I don't understand what the problem is. This country's laws were founded on Judeo-Christian values, but there is no gov't mandate forcing anyone to believe in God or go to church. I don't know of any Christians that want the gov't to mandate what they should believe and practice. We support the separation of church and state too.
CHALLENGE TO HUCKABEE SUPPORTERS::
I bet you didn't you know your guy wants a 23% national income tax. Hasn't backed off it, in fact.
I challenge you to explain why this is
1) good for the little guy (because you are populists/socialists)
2) good for a consumer-led economy on the brink of recession
Go on, I'm waiting.
Here's a good summary of his deal:
More on the "Fair Tax"
Do you really want the government deciding what is appropriate consumption and what isn't? Join the socialist party if you want that.
Big government is a loser, whether right wing or left wing.
Excuse me, should have written 23% "sales tax" in the above post.
The challenge still stands.
Huckabee supporters WANT to pay a 23% sales tax and they WANT the GOVERNMENT to decide which products would be appropriate to TAX THE HECK OUT OF because they aren't "necessary". Because the government said so.
Because the government should decide!
Is Huckabee serious about this or is he just taking big money donations and lying? Either way, this guy is no populist.
More religious police! More Taliban! More government intrusion!
This guy is either:
1) a liar
2) an opportunist
3) an elitist, both economically and politically.
What aren't necessary, modest expenditures? I'm dying to know. Hey, why don't YOU tell ME, you elitist!
You don't want big government in your religion.
A 23% national sales tax is the most elitist thing I can think of.
to bad fiscal conservatives have no one to vote for,
it's a dark day for america when the choices are socialism or theocracy.
we are almost a scientific 3rd world country, if we are governed by a creationist we will be going down the same road as the islamic world into a intellectually stagnant
country who has outsource every important job, but at least the invisible magic man in the sky will be happy.
ZB – Challenge accepted.
Huckabee has proposed eliminating the federal income tax and replacing it with an additional sales tax.
Study the basics of debating; incomplete or partial assertions detract from the credibility of your position.
As Dobson and the Devil dance in delight over Pastor Huckabee's win,, one has to ponder if Americans will fall for neochristians the likes of Dobson, Robertson, Craig, Haggard and Vitter again dictating politics in America.
In their quest to negate the First Amendment of the Constitution, these "Christian leaders" are enemies of the United States no less than Muslim extremists who would also overthrow our basic freedom of religion.
I notice no Huckabee supporter has answered my 23% sales tax question.
C'mon, let's hear it!
Let's hear it for your elitist candidate! Let's hear it for taxing the poor into oblivion!
Being a spiritual person who believes in God and that he created everything and also being a lesbian I would like to ask the christians who have posted above saying that being gay is an abomination, how can it be if we are born this way. Which means God created us just like he created you. I say this not only because I believe it but because there is proof. God created everyone right? So how do you explain hermorphadites, you know people born with both female and male sexual organs? Are they wrong no matter who they chose to love? And if you say yes then in essance you're saying God is wrong. Because He did after all create them just like He created you and me. And if I'm not mistaken God is never wrong and he does not make mistakes. God created ALL of us straight gay and hermorphidites. To deny that would almost be like denying that God existed.
"in god we trust" on the money was an illegal act during the McCarthy era to blatently discriminate unconstitutionally against non-christians. It will be undone soon. It's a stain on our nation.
Just another REASON why ALL churches and preachers should NOT enjoy there current TAX-EXEMPT status!
Create a Constitutional Amendment to BAN the TAX-EXEMPT status of ALL CHURCHES and PREACHERS!
Replacing the sales tax with an income tax, theoretically, is actually a proposal meant to aid the poor, not the elite. It's the rich who spend the most, and the tax would be imposed on the rich to a greater degree than the poor. One of the problems with the idea is that the tax will be evaded by a majority of the people and chaos will probably be the result. There are many other problems with the Fair Tax idea, more than can be discussed in a single blog post.
There are few credible economists who would support the implementation of this plan in America today, and our government wouldn't survive after eliminating the income teax totally. If Mike Huckabee were to become president, he wouldn't spend the time or the capital on the issue, and even if he did, there would be no way for him to get Congress to pass such a ludicrous bill.
Even though I like Huckabee (but I won't be voting for him), I see this as his greatest weakness. Nevertheless, the next president will not be eliminating the income tax and replacing it with a sales tax. We're blessed with a great political system that won't allow a single person to destroy the nation.
P.S. For those of you who are complaining about Dobson, Huckabee and the religious right, remember that Dobson has not endorsed Huckabee and that he was just talking about the energy and influence of the voting block.
If you can't be Christian and a Democrat because Democrats support abortion (not true, they support a woman's right to choose), then you can't be a Christian and a Republican in this day and age, as the Republicans are supporting the murder of other human beings with their hawkish foreign policy.
Killing is killing, right?
Go Read "Peggy (8:22am)". She is an unrepentant Bushie. She is the core of the unthinking repub party. Go and read her comments as a window into your future if you continue to vote repub in this cycle. Wtih all the damage done to our county, the lies, the attack on our freedoms, the surreal shifting of blame, the lack of taking personnal responsibility for failed political policies.... and repubs like Peggy still don't learn. And they are actually proud of it! These people think it is God's will to vote repub...no matter what.
All you thinking repubs out there are about to get your butts handed to you because your party elite cannot change. They are arrogant in their politcal stance. And all the rest of you little repub monkeys follow along and OBEY without thinking. The one guy in your candidate ranks who does think for hinself, is right now being trashed by the "fair and balanced" network at the direction of your party elite.
For those repubs who do think, change party or GET OUT OF THE WAY! We will not have Bush III in the white house.
Lessee...My education is based in proven laissez-faire capitalism, what's yours?
What are the basics that wouldn't be subject to 23% tax? Clothes, food, coal?
What about the other products in life – computers, cars, travel, meat? Overtaxing these things would lead to a lack of incentive for companies to produce them and anything "unnecessary" left over would be for the elite only.
So in other words, cheap coal and wool for the peasants, but no computers or beach vacations. That's for the rich who can afford that tax.
This is the most elitist economic policy I've ever heard of.
I'm a capitalist in believes in encouraging innovation and competition – what is your position?
The reason I keep hammering on this sales tax idea (which would replace the national income tax) is that Huckabee supporters seem to think he's some kind of populist.
So far all I get is a few remarks that I need to go read it. Which I have.
So far no succinct explanation of why this is a good idea.
I need supporters of this idea to say why:
1) This tax is not regressive
2) Why this tax wouldn't stop many products from being put out of the reach of people with modest means.
3) Why you think this idea wouldn't get Huckabee crushed in a general election
4) Why this wouldn't destroy our consumer-led economy. Which is especially important given the looming downturn.
What is it supposed to do? Soak the rich? Make sure peasants don't get their hands on things we've decided they don't need? Stifle the economy? Is it a puritannical need to punish people for consuming? Make sure people don't buy anything other than lentils ever again? Destroy small business in America?
Someone gave an example about a $100 shirt wouldn't cost $123 under this system. Why? Is all clothing exempt? Even fancy clothing? A $100 shirt is certainly not a basic necessary at all. W
With all the thousands of goods and services available in this country, how are you going to keep track of what to charge? Here's an idea: with a tax bureau of some kind. There certainly will be a tax bureaucracy under this scenario.
Huckabee is the only politician that makes me write on message boards. Sheesh.
Hey yo, here's the link to the actual Fair Tax Bill:
So I have read it. Apparently, you most certainly would pay 23% on that shirt given as an example.
The bill gives a subsdy to poor people to pay the tax. Seriously, that sounds like the worst big government welfare ever. What's their incentive to get out of poverty?
I see in the text that one of the reasons for the bill was that income tax discourages economic growth. Hello, taxing everything that moves for 23% would be beneficial? Remember, I believe they mean services too.
People would consume less (not an economic boon), producers produce less and finally tax revenues fall as fewer pople buy things.
While arguably giving massive subsidies to the poor is progressive (an odd position for self-reliant Republicans), this bill would decimate the middle class.
Of course, there is a group of very wealthy people behind this. Nothing wrong with that, this is a free country and they can push their agenda. But this isn't good for Middle America.
Obviously, Huckabee is just after the financial support of the Americans for Fair Taxation and there is no almost no chance of such an idea ever happening.
The point is to get these debates away from Who Loves God More to something more substantive.
I already have a pastor and a church. We're hiring a president here.
Ed, Ellenville, New York
Please back up your claim that Dobson advocates "beating" children. I'd like the page number of the book you read that in, or perhaps the title and date of the radio broadcast you heard him say that on. If you can't back that up, don't repeat those sorts of vicious lies.
To David Paul Niner:
You DID NOT accept my challenge. I made a typo when I once wrote "income tax" instead of sales tax. Subsequent posts show that I clearly understand it to be a sales tax. You made a snarky comment and then did not state why you support the fair tax.
Challenge Resubmitted. I want to hear REASONS.
Here, the link to the House version, so yes I have read the tax.
Do you know the size of the black market this would create?
Do you know the cumbersome tax collection bureaucracy this bill would create? You'd just be getting something worse than even the IRS!
People that support this idea haven't got the foggiest notion of economic principles or political reality. Which sums up the quality of Huckabee supporters perfectly.
go back and reread what I wrote, I did not chose to go to Iraq MY PRESIDENT did so that does NOT make me an accessory to murder. Unlike the democrat who says lets give a woman a RIGHT to kill her unborn child where is the CHILD'S right? The child has no say so. I had NO say so in what Bush did or did not do.
Not all who voted for Bush wanted this war so learn before you speak out of ignorance I am against killing PERIOD!!!!!!
Why is it that so-called Christians (I say so-called because to be Christian you must strive to act Christ like) insist on lies and deception as opposed to fact and constructive debate to make their cases? Donna again "Spins" the truth;
"Someone needs to take a stand for religious beliefs because that is one of the principles this country was founded on. The next president needs to lead this nation back to the basic truths and principles this country was founded on." Can someone PLEASE tell me how that works? If this is true why isn't Jesus mentioned in the founding documents? Why aren't the Ten Commandments mentioned? Donna please answer this question! You spew that crap because that is what you have been told! OK so that is the crap you spew now defend it. Not with BS rhetoric but with fact! HOW was the country founded on these principals? You make ZERO sense! How is, "...religious beliefs" ONE of the principals this country was founded on??? You have no idea that's how. You WANT this to be so, so you make up "facts" to support your story. I have no problem with religion per se, but how is anyone to respect you or your religion when you use LIES to make your case? Doesn't that offend you? Isn't religion supposed to be a "good" thing? If so then why the need to lie? Let me explain how "sane" people view our central "Founding" document ("the Declaration of Independence" since you clearly don't get how it works); The central statement is: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Where does it say, "Jesus Christ"? The Creator is simply used to give weight to the meat of the statement. What YOU people don't get is the rest of the sentence! Does the term UNALIENABLE mean a thing to you??? Together the statement means that NO MATTER WHAT... YOU can't alienate ANYONE from Life, Liberty or the pursuit of happiness. YOU take that to mean, "Well unless these people don't agree with me!" WRONG! I believe that it is clearly understood that I cannot cause physical or emotional harm in my pursuit of happiness but that doesn't mean I have to seek your approval for my actions. Remember that pesky little "Unalienable" remark. IF you are part of the mob that seeks to ban Gays from marriage, proudly call yourself a Christian but PLEASE do not defame the rest of us by calling yourself an AMERICAN. I'll leave it to you to explain to God how you treated someone that you felt superior to and used his name to wreak your evil. If you are so stupid that you don't understand that the Bible was written by Men (and I don't mean men as in mankind I mean MEN) and therefore subject to all the good AND evil that accompanies that, then you should not be allowed to vote.
"you can't be on the far left and be Christian?
what kind of bigotry is this?"
No Christ you cant. Ypu cant be for the murder of children durrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Chris, why don't you read the BIBLE and see that you can't be far left and be Christian! It doesn't say you can't be democrat, just look at the moral standards!