January 6, 2008
Posted: 12:25 AM ET
McCain and Huckabee both have an interest in seeing Romney lose in New Hampshire Tuesday.

Clinton tried to get tough on Obama Saturday.

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Democrat Hillary Clinton pointedly criticized rival Barack Obama at a crucial New Hampshire debate Saturday night, seeking to paint him as a flip-flopper on key issues.

No longer the party's clear frontrunner after her third-place showing in Iowa, Clinton went after the Illinois Democrat at the top of the debate for what she said was shifted stances on the Patriot Act and funding the Iraq war.

"Well, you've changed positions within three years on, you know, a range of issues that you put forth when you ran for the Senate, and now you have changed," Clinton said. "You said you would vote against the Patriot Act. You came to the Senate; you voted for it. You said that you would vote against funding for the Iraq war. You came to the Senate, and you voted for $300 billion of it."

"So I just think it's fair for people to understand that many of the charges that have been leveled, not just at me, but also at Sen. Edwards, are not totally, you know, unrelated to the very record you have," she added.

Obama immediately took issue with Clinton's characterization, and hit back saying, "I think the people of America are looking for are folks who are going to be straight about the issues and are going to be interested in solving problems and bringing people together."

The crucial debate came the same day a CNN/WMUR poll out of the Granite State showed the two candidates locked in a dead-heat, each drawing 33 percent of support among likely Democratic voters in the state.

– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

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kingbakkenisdead   January 10th, 2008 6:28 pm ET

Nobody gets it.The corpo-fascists have decided to go with Obama.Why was Obama getting all the corporate money when was 20 points behind in national polls.When Howard Dean was in the lead in "04 he got nothing.John Edwards finished second in Iowa and has still gotten virtually nothing from the corporate interests.They don't give money to agents of "change." Obama is the perfect candidate.The media loves and he'll get a free ride.If he fails the democrats will be stuck with him in 2012 and then here comes Jebby!

elizabeth   January 7th, 2008 3:00 pm ET

Hillary needs to understand that this is not a junior-high personality contest; it is for high stakes; we are in trouble as a nation, domestically and foreign. "Please Hillary, take the American people to task." We are not interested in personality, we want substance and experience and you are the one to give us that. And I might add, Obama needs to understand this as well. He will do us much harm if he continues to believe that because he is a superb orator, that he is America's answer. Remember, Adolph Hitler also had the gift of oratory, and he gave the German people what they wanted in his speeches and propaganda. All the "older" people know the outcome; the young should, through their history books, understand this as well.

AJ; Montpelier, VT   January 7th, 2008 2:17 pm ET

How can anyone tell if Obama is a flip-flopper, he barely ever makes it to the Senate for a vote….

George K, Indiana   January 7th, 2008 9:44 am ET

PLEASE - the woman can't even tell us what her own name is.

Mike - CT   January 7th, 2008 1:34 am ET

Papers across New Hampshire have declared Hillary the best choice for president and I agree with them because Hillary Clinton is the best choice.
Check this short ad on You Tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WruJcprsRaw

Bill   January 7th, 2008 12:15 am ET

Who is she fooling…The Senator invented "flip flop"

guo5598   January 6th, 2008 9:30 pm ET

Obama all the way!

Not because Clinton is not good, she just not good enough for this job, she voted yes for most of the Bush/Cheney things and she should just quit the compaign and support Obama for the American.

Ginny, Ca   January 6th, 2008 8:55 pm ET

Hillary won the debate hands down. She was focused, zeroed in on issues, showed tremendous knowledge of the challanges facing America, displayed indepth understanding of foreign relations, and more. She out-classed Obama and Edwards, and showed stength in defending herself against their labeling of her as "status-quo". She provided some rather sweet humor when she said her feelings were hurt because people didn't think she was likeable. Unlike the arrogant Obama who, without looking up from his note-taking, said to her, "You're likeable enough." (This, after she graciously and light-heartedly said she thought Obama was very likeable.) Hillary held her own when Obama and Edwards ganged up in their attacks on her. I'm so glad she is fighting back . Keep it up, Hillary. A lot of voters really got a good look at you and saw that your strength, experience, dedication, and hard-work trump "hope" any day.

GaryO   January 6th, 2008 8:21 pm ET

Obviously media coverage strongly favors Obama. Even the article we’re responding to characterizes Hillary as the aggressor and Obama as the capable young man just defending his position. “Clinton criticized Barack Obama . . . seeking to paint him as a flip-flopper.” Yep, that makes Hillary the villain.

Hillary pointed out instances to Obama where he had promised one thing and did another. But our Hero, “hit back saying, ‘I think the people of America are looking for are folks who are going to be straight about the issues and are going to be interested in solving problems and bringing people together.’”

In other words Obama “hit back” with nothing. He did not address Hillary’s charges at all, and yet he is painted by CNN as the hero and winner of that little verbal altercation.

You’ve got to wonder why the national news media so strongly favors Obama in this election. The media could conceivably engineer the nomination for its chosen candidate if all elements pool their resources. After all, perception is reality; and the media controls perception. But why choose Obama as the Democratic candidate?

Will it make for better drama if Obama becomes the Democratic presidential candidate? Will it increase the audience for news programs? You bet it will, and it will also increase advertising revenue and profit. And besides, a black guy might be more interesting to cover. It kind of breaks up the monotony of the same old routine every four years. If the national news media has its way, Baraq Obama will be our Democratic presidential candidate.

James Cantrell   January 6th, 2008 7:58 pm ET

Amazing,the crap we listen to between Obama and Clinton,she voted for the war I didn't ect.Who gives a rats azz folks,niether of these canidates would make a good leader,in reality niether one of them understand anything about anything.If folks want a true understanding of the issues facing America,listen to Ron Paul.

Tyler in Raleigh, NC   January 6th, 2008 7:51 pm ET

Hillary's experience for change means:

Her record: Flip-flopping on the war, drivers licenses and her own name.
Bills record: Lying to the American people, his spouse and federal prosecuters, not to mention taking money from questionable sources.

So is this what we can expect from her on day 1?

Then I say no thank you. We do not need another term of people who feel they are better than the American people and should not be questioned because they are doing what is best for us. Isn't she just a clone of Bush? Politics as usual, not change.

Obama can clearly win a general election, more so than Hillary dividing the country. She showed her temper and attitude, and then falls back to be an innocent woman when convenient.

She complains words do not result in change. What does then? Guns and war? Was it not words by Martin Luther King, John F Kennedy, Ronald Reagan and Franklin Roosevelt that motivated the country to be and do greater?

Did our founding fathers not put pen to paper and set forth documents of freedom and liberty for all the people?

It was by their power to inspire us to try for freedom, come out of depression, reach the moon and win the cold war that led to change. Their words brought supporters as Obama and Edwards do. They make citizens feel a part of the government and that we do not have to act out of fear but out of hope.

Its time to stop choosing a president (Bush and Clinton) that tell us we can not achieve things, that we must be afraid of what could happen and to seek safety and a mediocre life. What happened to the baby boomers that wanted to end a war in Vietnam, that wanted to change the world?

Are they so jaded and used to the status quo that its time for a new generation to come in and do what is needed? Let us vote for what we wish we could be, and not out of what we fear could happen.

Scott, Madison, WI   January 6th, 2008 7:45 pm ET

So how many more layers of masks does Hillary have left? She has shown so many different faces and talked out of more sides of her mouth than all the candidates combined? Landing in New Hampshire, we saw the self-declared winner from Iowa acting like she beat her opponents - (Reminder Hillary, you place third); then we see the "change candidate" with 35 years of experience - (Another reminder Hillary, you witnessed a good share of that experience as Senator Dodd has pointed out and pillow talk and drinking tea doesn't count! You also marched right along with George Bush until you started your campaign); now we're seeing what we expected: the shrill, slash-and-burn politics with which you and Bill destroyed the Democratic party (as John Edwards so eloquently reminded us!). If the Clinton years were so great, how did George Bush end up in the White House?

Fact: John Edwards and Barack Obama both have more years in public service than you do and have accomplished more in that time than you have in all your years in the Washington political machine.

Fact: I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings, but half the Democratic party doesn't like you because you are not the real thing (a female Mitt Romney without the bad dye job and you can't give a straight answer to save your soul).

Fact: We are still facing all the same issues we were when Bill ran for office in 1992! Hello!

Fact: You have been tested and you have failed. You caved in for the last 8 years and just recently started "opposing" the Bush administration when it became popular.

Fact: Barack Obama voted for the revised version of the Patriot Act that Russ Feingold rewrote not the original one as you did.

Fact: You can't admit you were wrong about anything just like the current Commander in Chief.

So to sum it up, you are not ready to lead from day one but may be ready to hit the ground; it just won't be running. This is the price you pay for trying to change the Democratic Parrty to Republican-lite. We need someone to unite our party, not walk around trying to settle old grudges from the past and using the same stale, old tactics from the last century.

wittybanter   January 6th, 2008 7:40 pm ET

It's Obama's race to lose at this point. People are sick of the status quo e.g. Hillary and the rest of the bunch.

colsmartcol   January 6th, 2008 7:32 pm ET

I think it was despicable to see Obama and Edward tag -team to portray Hillary as Status quo. The last time I checked, Clinton is not Bush. The status quo which is Bush trembles when you call the C- word and I think Democrats shoul appreciate that. Don't count Clinton out!

darko   January 6th, 2008 6:55 pm ET

even if the obana won the race in iowa..that doesn't mean that he'll be next president in usa..when i go to vote i'll vote for hillary clinton..i want her to be in history of first lady president in usa..and we all should voe for her..how the germany got president lady first time in history..we should be getting hillary for president..and other things i heard from other people that they say obama is muslim..so than if he is the muslim than why are we wasting time on obama..so i don't want to vote for obama in a first place..and i'm not here saying nothing against all people that want to be president;on obama's side it's not fair when his wife was speaking about hillary on a bad side..if you are on same boat than be as a partners..so people all i want to say here..LET'S ALL VOTE FOR HILLARY….what ever obama say that he'll do for usa he lie…all the words that is coming from his mouth is all lies…i believe that hillary can turn america in a good way..that one day when hillary get white house that we all can wake up in sunshine morning and see in usa no more street violances,no more war in iraq,,,so when you people go to voting make sure that you all vote for hillary…i'm first at the voting that are going to wote for HILLARY…so GO HILLARY…

Marsha, OR   January 6th, 2008 6:51 pm ET

First I want to address what people are calling Hillary flip-flopping on the war. I thought from the beginning it was extremely intelligent of her not to apologize for voting for the Iraq war like Edwards because she knew that if she did, in the General Election he Republicans would accuse her of being a flip flopper. She has neve apologized for this or "flip-flopped" she has explained her reasons for voting for the war, stated she was mislead by Bush in those reasons, and says she does not believe we should have troops in Iraq now. That is not flip-flopping.

Obama's flip flopping record: Against the Patriot act then voted for it. Against repealing DOMA, then changed his mind one month later after supposedly talking to gay friends who were hurt by this, against the Iraq war and repeatedly has used this as a campaign pusher, but yet voted for funding it, said he supported universal health care like Canada's system, yet does not propose anything close to this in his health care play. This is indeed flip-flopping.

Not to mention he is indecisive - he conveniently voted "present' on a number of issues in the state congress. And most importantly and I don't know why no one is bringing this up - on the most recent Iran vote he missed the vote. This is an important vote! But also one that can put him under a lot of scrutiny, so what does he do - he misses it. THIS IS NOT A LEADER! He is an orator and nothing but.

On another note, I wanted to ask? Is there no one else that notices the underlying sexism in this debate. Hillary defends herself against the status quo comment and every one says she is being "shrill" "defensive" a "schreeching shrew" "angry." Had a man, assertive - yes "assertive" is the correct word to use hear people, not "schreeching shrew" - "wait a minute, I bring change, I have 35 years of experience bring change…" that man would have been seen as being a strong, passionate, assertive candidate. Have it come from a woman and all of a sudden she defensive and it's the worse moment of her debate according to the media. I thought it was an excellent point and one that needed to be made. Obama does not have the experience needed to make the change that his rhetoric speaks of. He is rhetoric and that is it.

Also, all the other sexist comments on this board like, "she can't decide whether her name is Hillary Clinton or Hillary Rodham Clinton" or how about "Will someone please call Senator Clinton out on her 35 years of experience! Experience doing what? Watching her husband sleep with numerous women…if that's the case…then yea, she sure does have experience." These comments just illustrate that part of the reason she is doing poorly is the ingrained sexism in this country.

Anyone who has bothered to educate themselves on the candidates would know that that she has been interested in politics since she was a teenager and involved actively in politics since she was an undergraduate. And as far as looking at the Obama website. Yeah, I've been there…he doesn't have crap about his views on abortion, or gay rights…and I'm supposed to vote for this "democrat."

I don't think so. He flap that jaw all he wants. I'm voting for Clinton's record of change.

ghty   January 6th, 2008 6:35 pm ET

Mrs. Clinton is a capable and quality leader. She is strong and able. Her husband was not trustworthy to her, but during his presidency my life was ten times better financially. She is also the only person on stage that actually cares that EVERY American get health care, just like EVERY Canadian or EVERY British. We are the only country that treats its citizens like crap if they can't afford something. Obama wants to force people to insure their children…well that's great what parent doesn't try to do that anyway? I don't have insurance but thanks to HILLARY my kids do have CHIP. But if bush or romney get their way they won't have that either. My husband and I both work, and I have a 4 year degree. We are not the uneducated underclass. We are just going through financial hard times. HILLARY is the only one that seems to have a grasp that millions of Americans are just like us. Besides that, parents need healthcare too, who is going to take care of our children if we are sick and dying? If a republican or Obama get in office, I am going to see if I can get my Canadian immigration application pushed through. Yes, I vote.

Larry Buchas, New Britain, CT   January 6th, 2008 6:31 pm ET

I notice one thing consistent has been Obama's demeanor. Hillary's personality has taken on "Sybil." I feel optimistic Obama would become a great President. I don't know what to expect with Hillary. But I know she can't be trusted.

Michael from CT   January 6th, 2008 6:29 pm ET

The media is so bias in favor of Senator Obama over Senator Clinton that it makes me sick. I respect the fact Hillary has listened to what the American people have said and is now clearly against giving driver licences to illegal aliens however in the previous debate Senator Barack Obama openly admits that he supports giving driving licences to illegal aliens yet the bias media has and still is giving him a free pass on this issue. The majority of the media has also giving a free pass to John Edwards because he claims to be for the poor and the middle-class yet as an investor John Edwards has ties to lenders who have forclosed on hurricane Katrina victims. If we want serious change in this country then we need to support Senator Hillary Clinton as President because she has the experience to bring us that real change and she her record proves that she is sincere about helping the middle class and the poor. Senator Clinton also has the best chance to win the national election which is another reason why voters need to think long and hard at the big picture. If Senator Obama or John Edwards were to get the nominaton that would handing the Whitehouse another Republican victory which would result in more of the same. It's a shame the media has been bias against Hillary because she would be good for America and help us gain back the respect at home and around the world which is something we lost due to the failures of the Bush administration.

Kate   January 6th, 2008 6:08 pm ET

I am really tired of Hillary's nagging. It just shows me how immature she is and how revengeful she can be. I don't want someone like that as my president.

I'm also a bit offended by how she keeps using the gender game, basically making herself a victim because she's a woman and trying to use that for her benefit. No one is criticizing her because she is a woman, it's of how ALWAYS talks about things that she has done for America, when I haven't seen anything she has done? And in my book 8 years as first lady doesnt count towards experience?
Just look at her talk, I don't see any honesty or sincerity in her eyes. All I see is a woman who is power hungry. Besides she's the flip-flopper here, she copies everything other candidates do.

I will go for Obama, he has more capacity to make America a better place and fight for what the people need. OBAMA 2008!!

Walt, Belton, TX   January 6th, 2008 6:05 pm ET

Obama is becoming known as being flippant and Clinton is certainly becoming known as a flopper. That being the case, do we actually have, right here on our very own stage, an honest to goodness flip-flop?

Harold Bishop, NH   January 6th, 2008 5:42 pm ET

Lucille:

I'll help you make a bumper sticker! Sure! Let's do it!

We can use the photograph above, and add the following captions:

"Hillary looks to find substance on the horizon."

"Barack checks out her new flip flops."

What do you say?!

Much love, no harm intended!

:-)

Annie   January 6th, 2008 5:37 pm ET

Hillary has no more experience running a country than any other candidate. That 35 years of experience is 7 years in the Senate, (in which she spent most of her time campaigning for the Presidency) and the rest of it was as the wife of a President and Govenor. Obama spent 8 years in the Illinois state legislature and 3 years in the Senate. How does her experience outweigh his? They worked to write laws.

Ask yourself this. If you watched the debate last night, who would you rather have negotiating with other countries? Do you want one that remains calm and is not threatening, and listens to you and then reponds calmly. Or, one that points his/her finger at you while he/she is scolding you because you believe something different.

Last night I saw a Presidential candidate and a spoil brat that wasn't getting its way.

Jeffrey Eckman   January 6th, 2008 5:31 pm ET

Obama voted for the Patriot Act too.

B.J. Bower   January 6th, 2008 5:27 pm ET

Yes, Hillary we need a doer not a talker. We need YOU and when you go to the Oval Office on your first day as President you will have issues on your desk and you will know what to do and how to gather together the people who support your agenda. You will not be a puppet like Obama will be with people telling him what to do because he has no experience. I want a President who already knows what to do and how to make it happen. I do not want a President who will be overwhelmed because of lack of experience. I want a President who has a mind of her own and knows how to get it done. Hillary Clinton is and will be that President.

Bella Girl, Chicago, IL   January 6th, 2008 5:24 pm ET

Ducan,

I would ask the same of Obama supports when he voted for the Patriot Act.

Ayyub, Richmond, Va   January 6th, 2008 5:19 pm ET

"Hillary showed that the thing Obama changes best is his own mind!"

I can't believe you said that! Hillary changes her mind on position all the time. She went from just experience to experience brings change, He position of supporting the war in Iraq, and she stole "Fired up and ready to go" from Obama, I could believe it when I heard it. Hillary uses a political poll and is just bumbarded with your staffs ideas to the point she doesn't have a mind of her own. You can tell her staff is desperate to win because of last night when Hillary lost her cool and blabbed out anything to slow down Obama plus using the gender card, she and the staff are desperate now. It's sad to see. I think you should change that to -

"Hillary showed that she is mostly mindless when it comes to running her own campaign, she or maybe just her staff don't know where Hillary stands on issues and would do and say anything to get elected, even ignoring issues and policies of other candidates to smear them by using the same ones as she did last night by telling half of the truth or making up a fabrication."

That's what you should have said. Hillary get a life, stop being desperate!

Duncan, Richmond, VA   January 6th, 2008 5:13 pm ET

A question for all you Clinton supporters.. how can you claim to be an American (I assume you are if you are voting) and yet support someone who voted for the Patriot Act? Serious answers only please.. truly, I really would like to know..

Jeffrey Eckman   January 6th, 2008 4:41 pm ET

I for one an sick of the media predictions when only one state has voted. They jump all over the place and make fools out of themselves. When was the last time that Iowa voted for a Democrat in the general election? They have never elected a woman to a major office. Look, I agree that we all want change but I for one want responsible change. I would be happy with Clinton, Obama or Edwards. It is just a question who is best suited to deal with a country in turmoil. Let's not get into a popularity contest. George was totally unqualified to do the job and look where we are now. I think Mrs. Clinton has the most hands on experience and has the no how to get us on the right track.

Mary D. Waite   January 6th, 2008 4:26 pm ET

I am from small community in Eastern Kansas and have following everything that I can regarding this election. I take the United States very personal when dealing with issues and whether any one candiate can solves all the problems in one term. Obama scares me in the fact that in my opinion that American people are gabbing at straws and want someone fresh with not realy ties to anyone. Politics are politics and America "does need" someone that knows how things runs. I don't hear what back up he will have. To make changes you can not do it alone; to make changes you need other political figures around you. How can he say that expperience does not matter.

The American people are asking for change and at this point are willing to scafice and take a chance no matter what!
I still votes for you!!!

Bill in Montgomery, AL   January 6th, 2008 4:23 pm ET

Who flip-flops?? Everytime that Hillary checks a poll that shows an opinion different than hers, she immediately changes her position. Hillary is the "flip-flop" Queen. Okay, Hillary, time to drag out all the relatives and close friends to tell us what a kind, caring, considerate, wonderful, generous, loving, principled, etc., etc., person you really are. As I understand it, there was no real Mother Theresa, Mother Theresa was actually Hillary Clinton, who wanted to remain anonymous about her good deeds!

Russell, NC   January 6th, 2008 4:21 pm ET

Hillary claims she wants change, yet she continues to drag that cruddy Bubba along with her.

Chris, Middletown, CT   January 6th, 2008 4:15 pm ET

35 years of political experience….my next door neighbor has been a practicing physician for the past 20 years….can I count that on my resume too??

For the dumb HRC supporters….while Bill Clinton was governor….Hillary was a partner in the Rose Law Firm (full time) - and also on the board of directors of Walmart….and yet…."35 years of polical experience" - can all the women in and out of Bill Clintons bedroom also count that as "political experience"

And btw….she didn't author the SCHIP bill….look it up….tired of being lied to…??

We need a moderate….Giuliani….if he's not offered up..(and I'm a Republican) - Obama will get my vote….

Democrats also need to start to be alittle introspective….and stop with their hands out….supporting every entitlement program out there….John F Kennedy said "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" - maybe you need to stop looking for handouts and people to blame

charles enoch   January 6th, 2008 4:15 pm ET

sorry peoples..she's had her shot…she's going negative now..sorry peoples that's not a change..that's the same..i was going for her..put since she's going negative today..to save the old guard ass'sno more bush…no more clinton..sorry i want a fresh new face

girish divecha   January 6th, 2008 4:11 pm ET

This is about time that Mrs. Hillary Clinton takes a firm stand on the issues facing America. All she has been doing is sending mixed messages e.g. From Iraq war to issues affecting day today lives of comman American citizens.

The campaign slogan should be " AMERICA AND AMERICANS FIRST THEN THE REST OF THE WORLD". Iraq war has broght disgrace to this great nation. We have turned around from that make a firm policy decision to get out of Iraq and concentarte all resources where it is needed most and i. e. United States of America.

If you do not do this then may GOD HELP THIS US of A and YOU.

Joe D   January 6th, 2008 4:07 pm ET

pam Eugene OR , you are neot a flip flopper!
There was a time when America was under terrorist threat, and at that time we needed to vote for a protector, and we did in Bush.
Now we need change…. Need i say more!

Ajay Jain   January 6th, 2008 4:04 pm ET

Barrack Hussien Obama may win the nomination if he wins New Hampshire but ONLY to LOOSE in the general election where his idealism will not work. We do not want another Republicaan President for 4 more years!

Edward won the debate only to lose the nomination because he does not have the means to go the distance!

Jr., California   January 6th, 2008 4:03 pm ET

Lucille,

Change this!

Sean, Detroit, MI   January 6th, 2008 4:02 pm ET

Lucille, you can put things in ALL CAPS all you want…

still doesn't make that bumper sticker the least bit clever or poignant..

Lisa   January 6th, 2008 3:54 pm ET

Obama is energizing people who have been disenfranchised from government for many years. He has given them reason to believe that their opinion matters, that they can take back their government, and make politicians represent the ordinary guy, and not special interest groups, and lobbyists. He gives us reason to believe for a better future - and Hillary says it is false hope, not to dream so big, be patient, wait, and she is as good as it gets. She says that she has done the work for 35 years - and you know what, I don't feel that she has accomplished for me what I would like to be done–if 35 years of hard work results in telling people to scale down their hope, expectations, and to trust the government to do what is best for them then I don't want any part of her.

Were the Wright Brothers crazy in believing in flight? Were women being foolish to fight for the right to vote, rather than wait patiently and quietly along the side until someone gave them the right? Were slaves wrong to escape through the underground railroad to an unknown place - they didn't know what to expect, they knew that it wasn't going to be easy, they knew that they would encounter difficulties - but going for it was much more acceptable than to accept the status quo.

Paul Ca   January 6th, 2008 3:53 pm ET

Pam voted for GW and now supports Obama. Wow!

michael   January 6th, 2008 3:51 pm ET

The media made Hillary the front runner before anybody voted in the primary. Now the media is making this nomination process “Change versus Experience”. We buy into this media game without asking ourselves what really do these candidates stand for, what have they accomplished, and where do they want to see us go.

In my rational way of looking at things and perhaps in my reality world, this contest is about change and the agents of change.

On the one hand, we have change, idealistic and theoretical, driven by empty words (false hope) and strong emotions but only temporary because it cannot stand the test of time. A change that will require four years on the job training to clean the mess of the current administration. A change that will take a second term in office before the agents can even begin implementing their ideas which has been lost in this discussion perhaps because they really don’t have one.

On the other hand, we have change that can be put into effect right away. A change based on logical and rational thoughts and grounded on experience. A change that does not require on the job training. A change that can stand the test of time. A change you can feel, hear, see, smell, taste, and touch.

President Bush was an outsider, an agent of change. He was elected 8 years ago with the help of the Supreme Court and re-elected 4 years ago. Exit polls showed that he was well liked, most people consider him to be their next door neighbor, he was the type they could hang out with, etc. With only the concept of change and no experience on foreign affairs amongst others, he surrounded himself with the best experienced advisers money can buy. What do we have today in return? A broken system: FBI/CIA abuses, Iraq war, Effects of Hurricane Katrina, Economic woes, Recession, etc.

I know Obama and Edwards are not President Bush. I am sure they have different set of ideas and values. But I think it will be wrong to put the future of our country in the hands of someone without the first hand experience involved in the concept of change especially in today’s global dynamics of powers.

Lucille   January 6th, 2008 3:46 pm ET

WE NEED A BRAND NEW BUMPER STICKER(S) IN CIRCULATION NOW. IF ANYONE KNOWS WHERE THESE CAN GET MADE - IT WOULD SURELY PUT OUT A POWERFUL MESSAGE:

HELP ME CREATE THESE!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE…………..

HILLARY BUMPER STICKER:

"HILLARY = TESTED…CHANGE"
OBAMA = SHORT CHANGED…"
IT'S YOUR CHOICE…

AmericanVoter   January 6th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

Hillary showed that the thing Obama changes best is his own mind!

Suzie   January 6th, 2008 3:33 pm ET

Remove my name and e-mail, please. If you aren't going to print my posts, just delete me. period!

nightmare in New York   January 6th, 2008 3:21 pm ET

It takes more than a Health Care Plan.

nightmare in New York   January 6th, 2008 3:19 pm ET

I have heard some say this one has a stategy to do this against this one; another to do that.against that one. But I have not heard them say anything about a stategy Barack Obama planned against anyone. What a Man I mean President!

Kat   January 6th, 2008 3:11 pm ET

Why am I only seeing good things about Hillary in here? IS the government controlling CNN as well?

nightmare in New York   January 6th, 2008 3:06 pm ET

why is Bill Clinton telling us what he thinks we should do about illegal immagrants?

How is it that Bill Clinton can tell us where Senator Clinton stands on all these issues but she cannot tell us?

"Who is running for President him or her?

Why can't Senator Clinton defend herself?

It appears that Bill Clinton knows better than Senator Clinton what she would do as President!

I haven't heard Senator Clinton speak on any of the things Bill Clinton is speaking of. Why is this?

If he thinks Hillary is all that he claims she is then why did he cheat on her?
GET THE PICTURE

Kalee   January 6th, 2008 3:04 pm ET

First, let us not base the winner of the nomination rest on the results of Iowa. There are many people who live there that will tell you the process is outdated and needs to change. Let Obama and Hillary duke it out over who has the better character. Look at Edwards, he is willing to do the work, make the changes that need to be done, and get the country back on track.

Jimmy Sanborn   January 6th, 2008 3:00 pm ET

Elijah:

I agree, wheather she wins or not SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON will be out there trying to make change. She works very hard. This alone is why she is so well known. She has had to step on alot of feet just to get children health care. She just about destroyed herself for trying to get Health Care for Americans in the 90's and she is still standing fighting the fight today. Trying to come up with some sort of plan to Insure us all.

As for JOHN EDWARDS. Why is he not in public office today. Isn't their something he could be doing in his multble attempts at the Presidencey. I admire him for his desires, but they are with out substance. He really has no resume.

As for SENATOR BARACK OBAMA. All hipe, He is a good speaker at times, but here again he spends all his time running for office and forgets to do his job. As he put it himself on the Iran Gaurd issue. That he missed the vote because he was running for president. Alone with his Illinios votes on Abortion. He was affraid of how his vote would effect his politicail career so he just voted present. which by Illinios laws is a nuturial vote. Not Presidential material. Sorry Obama. As for Obama supporters. They are very rude and disrespectful. Even when they blog. They spend more time calling names using bad judgment if the other person doesn't agree. They can not accept any others thoughs. Mean spirited people. What they said in Iowa was 19 to 29 year olds.. They way the kids talk around here is that he may legalize drugs and soften the laws, because he RELATES to them. I have children from the age of 17 to 26. along with their wifes and husband , friends, and cousins. , My kids are 3.7 and up grade average. One in the Army, and two in college, one in high school. Two of my children are unfortunatly Republicans. The other two are Democrats like me. The Youngest is a diehard Senator Clinton supporter and even campaigns for her in school. She is a 4.0 student who performs on the forensic team with her school and hopes to inspire like Senator Clinton. My oldest daughter also supports Senator Clinton and is in college preparing for law school. Both my girls look up to Senator Clinton. My youngest son told me the other day in one of our disagreements that it was ok to smoke pot and party. that it will soon be legal . He is a Republican supporting Obama, but he is my partier and won't remember to vote. and I will surly not remind him because of the drug issue. My son likes Obama simply because of a political stunt by Obama. "The Drug report" Trying to show honesty may have lead in some teenager out there decideing that it is ok to smoke pot because Obama did. This should not have been used to get a vote. At the expense of one Child they went to far.

Bimmer   January 6th, 2008 3:00 pm ET

I think CNN is being partial in moderating comments. While it has no problem in publishing vulgar comments attacking Hillary, it has issues publishing comments about Edwards and Obama ganging up on Hillarya nd Obama's .looking tired and uniterested in the debate proceedings.

Bev   January 6th, 2008 2:49 pm ET

Very well put, R Wall. The only comment I have is that , IMO, Huckabee is another GW.

Jeffrey   January 6th, 2008 2:45 pm ET

Platitiudes and wishes won't get the work done. We're voting for a President who has serious work ahead of them. We've seen where "likeability" has gotten us these last 7 years. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, well…you know.
Time to get real, Dems.

Ito, Yokosuka Japan   January 6th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

Here's the conversation between HRC and Obama in the picture above.

Hillary: I can see the promised land…I can see it…I can take all of you there…vote for me…and you'll never go hungry again.

Obama: Uh…Hillary…your shoes are tied together…

Hillary: Oh, naive Obama…so inexperienced…

Obama: No, really, somebody tied your shoes together…you better fix that before you start running.

Hillary: People, how can Obama be your candidate of hope and change when he is always looking down?

Obama: Will somebody please tell her that her shoes are untied, she is going to fall on her face if she starts running.

Clintonistas: Shut up, Obama, our candidate has always been and always will be the forward looking candidate for real change.

ObamaGirl: But if HRC can't see that her shoes are tied together, can she really lead from day one?

HRC and Clintonistas: Burn in hell, you retarded coconspirator in the vast right wing conspiracy. We will lead this country to the promised land, oh you who cannot deal with the idea of a woman president.

Obama (bending down to fix her shoes): Oh for Pete's sake. I'll fix your shoes for you.

Clinton: Away with your Obama, you naive scoundral. My fellow Americans, don't submit to false hopes and waste your vote on Obama. Look at me…I am the one who looks forward. See Obama? How can he lead your forward when he is looking down?

Obama: Fine…run Hillary…and fall on your face when the race starts…all I wanted to do was help…

Charlie   January 6th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

Hillary Clinton seems unstable and angry all the time.

Giving me the impression that if you're not with her you're against her.

pam Eugene OR   January 6th, 2008 2:25 pm ET

Very well said R Wall. I do not hold all the same opinions I did just a few years ago. I listen, watch and learn and that at time changes my position on issues. I voted for GW the first time and now support Obama. Does that make me a flip flopper?

Ito, Yokosuka Japan   January 6th, 2008 2:25 pm ET

I like how people say Bush is the worste president in 100 years, and he hasn't even finished his second term in office. It's obvious that Nixon and Carter were the worste presidents in recent history (the record shows this). Duh… At least we can debate that because time allows us to take an objective look. Yes, only time will tell if Bush stands "among" the worste. See the word quotes.

And now the elitist Democrats who think everyone who disagrees with them is retarded, are struggling to coronate the mother of all elitists who thinks she should have the office of president for no other reason than it is her birthright. Make no mistake about it, all these other "qualifications" HRC is talking about are nothing more than smoke being blown up your beeep.

The most experienced candidate ever? Obsurd. Do you really believe that?
Ready to lead on day one? Yeah, right. And no other candidates are ready?
Against the war in Iraq from the start? Yeah, "cough" John Kerry.
For universal healthcare? Doh! Democrats gonna fall for that again?
Blah, blah, blah…

Go ahead, Democrats. Nominate HRC, or Billary Clinton, and you will see four years of the same thing you are seeing now with Bush. Go forth little sheep, and nominate her royal thighness, the great divider who has no morals. That's a good idea. And you all call Republicans retarted? Bwa ha ha ha ha…

Trang, Fremont CA   January 6th, 2008 2:24 pm ET

Hillary, you should take notes on how Obama handles your attacks with grace.

I think Obama is intelligent. He wants to look as many sides as possible and try to come up with the best solution. He wants input from the young, the old, Democrats, Independents, and Republicans, etc. with his proposed transparency government. As current, we can scream and feel like nobody listens. Only the rich people can have a seat at the table. At least, with him, we can share ideas, and leave it up to him to determine the best course of action because he receives input from many, including the people. And when he makes his decision, he provides a rationale for it. Also, with his transparent government, we can hold him accountable as well. Yes, we want to change the way government is currently run as well because it doesn't work.

C. Hough   January 6th, 2008 2:05 pm ET

I can only speak for myself. I am for change, and against this heated argumentative approach of the past. If the mud-slinging starts getting ugly, I will vote for the one that doesn't feel the need to defend him or herself from a contender -Republican or Democrat. I don't think that I am alone in this country in wanting someone that brings people together instead of tearing them down. We've had enough of that already, and we have evolved past negative campaigning.

I choose unity, and I avoid confrontation whenever possible. I expect the same in the seat that heads our country. If I wanted another argumentative president, I would elect the 12 year old girl-next-door who has all the answers with none of the contamination of Washington.

gertrude spence   January 6th, 2008 2:04 pm ET

I don't understand the media's judgement calls relative to the candidates' performance in the debates. I wish the media would butt out and let the viewers form their own judgements of the candidates. What I considered a very positive position by Hillary Clinton was dubbed a negative by the press. Platitudes as presented by many of the candidates are all well and good, but governing is all about getting results and that takes a pragmatic approach to problems. We in this country seem to elect someone akin to a good baptist minister who appeal to one's emotions. That may feel good, but it doesn't produce results. Both Bill Richardson and Hillary Clinton presented proven results from the hard work they did in the government but the press and many people aren't interested in the details and the press portrays the presentation of the details as un-understandable. Are you all stupid? Addressing difficult problems in an in-depth, intelligent fashion is what we need right now. We've had eight years of wrong-headed idealism. Is everyone blind and deaf? We don't seem to learn from our mistakes, sadly. And Rudy's comments about America being greatest when it relies on its people not government is ludicrous. Who does he think the government is? It is elected by the people.

Brian, Syracuse NY   January 6th, 2008 1:53 pm ET

Just because Hillary quotes an AP article quoting her own campaign staffs accusations, doesn't make her accusations true.

Hillary is going down BAD in New Hampshire. If CNN had Obama down 12 points before Iowa, imagine how he's gonna do now that they have him tied in New Hampshire!

Sue, Michigan   January 6th, 2008 1:52 pm ET

I'm tired of the flip-flop arguments as well. Maybe after last night the candidates (including you, John Edwards!) will stop picking on each other. Edwards was right about one thing…Hillary stayed above the name calling until she didn't win Iowa. but whatever…they are all trying to stake out ground for themselves. Voters do need to see each one's strengths and weaknesses. I feel that in the end Hillary will prevail because she does have the most experience, and it is beginning to come through.
I watched the Republicans too, and was struck by how unlikable they all are. And they are all in lockstep with Bush on terror and Iraq, totally ignoring what the American people believe. I guess if you're happy with the fascist shift in this country (and Rudy sure loves the wiretapping, detention with no representation, and torture aspects of it!) stay the course and vote Republican.
For me, I want to see America restored to greatness and rightness; I want my country to represent true freedom for all people, to respect my rights, and to promote, but not force, democracy abroad. I will vote for Hillary.

Bonnie   January 6th, 2008 1:50 pm ET

Why don't people see that a Clinton - Obama ticket would be such a shoe-in. There isn't a Republican who could touch them. They need to stop the hostility and work together. He would bring her the young and black vote and she would bring the older and women vote. Obama would get a terrific opportunity for the 8 years of experience he needs so that he could walk away with 2016 in his pocket. He needs to look to the future and learn what he can. He isn't ready quite ready but could be in 2016. If Hillary is smart with her Sec. of State ( too bad it can't be Bill)and allows Obama to be more than a figure head, they will turn this country around and bring the change it needs.

Rich In Seattle   January 6th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

Hillary says she has 35 years of experience. I thought Bill was the one in office as both Gov and President. So if I go by this logic, my wife has worked for Starbucks for 12 years, so I can say I know as much about how to make coffee as she does. Although I would have no idea what to do if put behind the coffee bar. But hey, I have 12 years of experience at Starbucks. I just wouldn't drink any coffee I'd make. Bill Clinton has the experience, I fair to see what Hillary did while in the white house except fail at Health Care.

jojo   January 6th, 2008 1:48 pm ET

Isnt Hillary the true flip flopper? In just a few short days, she went from being the nice candidate who had her mother behind her to the schreeching shrew she now is in New Hampshire. Just bringing Chelsea along is not going to secure the youth vote.

Achille Salesh   January 6th, 2008 1:48 pm ET

I know that nobody can easily trust others when it cames to mixing personnal emotions and practical truth on the political arena.

Obama is just a victim of the Democratic-Republican old "Establishment" whose main goal is to keep this beautiful and peacefull country in their "talons".

I remember, the day Obama took a stage to annouce his candidacy in Springfield, my 8 yeard-old daughter and I, together watched the television. We remember an incredible thing that occurs.

In stead of Obama's speech, we heard Martin Luther King exactly saying this: " I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together."

My eyes were tearful, but I coudn't realize why this happens.

Six months later, had a dream. A soft voice said to me before to ticket with Obamas and Cliton's photos : " Have you seen these to tickets ? If Democrats pick this, they'll win. But this one will request Herculeans efforts to overcome Republicans strenght ". When I woke up, I realize it was a dream. I explainded it to my wife.

A few days ago, I had another dream in which the same voice said: " the worst Obama's enemy is definitely racism. He should fight it without responding to the flood of insult his going to go through, soon ".

Finally I'd like to recommend this man who symbolize the real change ( from the out side, as Clinton confessed that she will make the change from the in side. In side what ? I guess in side the system ).

Obama's youth isn't at all an handicap to becoming a Wise and God president.

It's the way to renew everything and enhance the country's reputation.

America should stay " Home of the Brave" as we learned.

Mike   January 6th, 2008 1:47 pm ET

Obama and Clinton owe a hell of a lot of money to special interests for this campaign, yet they say they are about change. What change will that be?…tax breaks and government contracts for a different set of corporations than those that benefited from the Bush administration? All we need to do is see who is funding the big bucks. As President Carter said, the special interests that fund these campaigns see it as an investment - as they would for any outlay of capital.

Edwards may not be perfect, but he certainly walks the talk when it comes to change. Clinton is as status quo as they come and Obama is a joke….no track record demonstrating he can execute on the scale of change he talks about…and a campaign that is run just like those of the good old boys in Washington (with a lot of IOUs to special interests).

Bob   January 6th, 2008 1:34 pm ET

To Juan

Are you kidding me you must be from another country here is your quote "35 YEARS OF HONEST POLITICAL LIFE EXPERIENCE,
IS VERY HARD TO DESTROY,
MRS HILLARY CLINTON DESERVE 100% TO BE OUR PRESIDENT"

She never held public office untill she suckered in New Yorkers to vote for her. Now from my account that wasnt 35 years ago furthermore to use the term Clinton and honest in the same phrase is an oxymoron. It is people like you who scare me when an election comes up stop listening to her and do your own research. I bet you change your opinion on the 35 years and that the Clinton's are honest.

Mary, Iowa voter   January 6th, 2008 1:31 pm ET

As an early Clinton supporter I had high hopes of welcoming the first woman to be POTUS. I then began doing ethics investigations, mostly on my local politicians, but guess what I found? Please check behind the curtain carefully.

Clinton has it wrong. Barack was not there for the Patriot Act vote. He cosponsored Feingold's legislation to alter the Patriot Act to bring it more in line with what would protect our rights. Barack's health insurance policy DOES cover everyone, and leading HEALTH care economists agree!

Barack has been against this war from the start and spoke about it loud and clear while still just RUNNING for the Senate; a bit of a gamble, eh? He's never once supported this war. Senator Edwards not only was on the Intel Committee and voted for it, he co-sponsored it. Senator Clinton voted for it and didn't come away from that committment until long after it became clear to the rest of the US that it was an error in judgment.

I would feel differently if there were really 35 years (tho apparently now it's 36, according to Bill) of political experience, but I don't see how making millions in real estate deals has anything to do with politics; unless you consider the legal implications of it.

I do so worry about what has happened to the Constitution, and I know what candidate supports that "piece of paper" thoroughly.

Joseph   January 6th, 2008 1:30 pm ET

WOW, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black! She say's she is for the middle class but her husband (her experience) signed the death warrent for US with NAFTA. What will she do if (god forbid) elected to be the president with her Bill experiece, oh I know more of the same. It's time for something new Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama 08!

Chrisona   January 6th, 2008 1:25 pm ET

Since the midterms, poll after poll has shown that the American people think the country is on the wrong course. These polls make Hillary's pseudo-incumbency strategy even more puzzling. Not only is she not a presidential incumbent, but it's not a good day for anybody to be an incumbent.

Hillary is presenting herself to the country as a pseudo-incumbent with a sham marriage and a surgically enhanced daughter who is not allowed to talk to anybody.

And what is the constitutionality of offering an unelected spouse as a co-president?

Maybe Rod Serling is directing her campaign from beyond.

Suzie   January 6th, 2008 1:22 pm ET

R. Wall…..

Mrs. Clinton has been making decisions for many years and probably longer than she said. She was on a commission that investigated Watergate back when Nixon was in trouble. She made many decisions as an attorney, and as First Lady of Arkansas. As First Lady of Arkansas, her husband who was Governor at the time entrusted her to come up with a plan to improve schools, especially test scores. This program was implemented, I believe, in most states.
Then as First Lady of the United States - again her husband, the President of the US asked her to come up with a health care plan for every American. She did, and Americans were fools to go against that plan, as you know if you've visited the doctor lately, or had tests done.
She was sleeping with the president - as Nancy Reagan put it in her book, "My Turn". Do you really not think this woman had no influence on her husband? If so, I pity you.
Hillary is not unlikeable either. She may not have the southern charm of her husband, but she has likeable qualities of loving children, and fighting for them, and she has proven that. Although I am an Edwards fan I couldn't let this pass unchallenged. She is a lovely woman and it's too bad she didn't achieve warmth during her years in Arkansas.

Dickson Abimbola   January 6th, 2008 1:12 pm ET

In my view, I think the media are having good time with what is going on with the campaign, and are not ready to do their journalism work by vigorously digging into the background of these candidates who are running for the oval office for the sake of our belovest Country. Any one running for the president of United States at this crucial time when our Country is at war must be taking very seriously. The media must do the people's work by trying to find out what factor(s) will determine his/her principle as matter of action in relevance to their past records not talk. Talk is cheap.
Senator Obama is a senator from my State of Illinois, and as an immigrant, I value his opportunity and hard work for doing something very unique for all blacks and by giving all immigrant children the hope for the future, but my point here is deeper than personal feelings for his echo of change. The man ran for a senate race couple of years ago, and rumour have him linked with a convicted lobiest friend that since encountered his relationship with Obama and donated for his campaign. And not a single press think this information is an important issue for a candidate running for an oval office to respond to, in his word. As a state senator, he never take position on issues, and sure his records and his past need to be in microscope like other candidates in the race from both party. Many a time media have challenged the policy of Gov. Mike Huckabee including the tax issue and ex-convicted commutation. Gov. Romney has been dug many times about his policy as Governor, so also is Senator Clinton and senator McCain. I think the press purposely have giving Senator Obama a free pass to answer to his records and other important vital issues that voters must know about him. The media are igniting this race for their goodies, rather than doing what is right for this nation.
Fact, we the people are looking up to your investigation on these candidates. During the cold war, American were saying we need leader that is capable of defending this nation against outside enemies, and the media make it a priority to open up to voters what each of the candidates background revealed, which allowed voters to make powerful and senseful decision. American People see media as their mouth piece and hope, they belief in their powerf of revelation of our leaders inconsistencies. Why not now, we are living in a more dangerious world now than during the cold war. Those years we knew our enemy, now we hardly can pin-point these enemies that hate America so much, and want to do us harm so bad for no good reason. This is why the media must put these candidates records out to and their background must be in microscope for us to see inother to make good decision about who must be the next world leader. If it reveals that what either of these candidates were stood for is contrary from their campaign slogan, and if there were agenda that is out there, it should come out quickly for evaluation of credibily by the American people, before it is too late.
It is time that our media need to go to work for the people for the love of our belovest Country. This is not a sport, it is the basic fundamental of democracy in action. God bless America.

edward magee   January 6th, 2008 1:11 pm ET

Mrs Clinton carries to much baggage, when she will be aske later, regarding her husbands, extramarital affairs.

edward msgee

Jon, Lantana   January 6th, 2008 1:08 pm ET

For me, I have really tried to like Barack Obama cause on the surface what he says is what America wants to hear. However, in listening to him speak in all of the debates he is just a bunch of words with no clear plan on how to accomplish change. If anyone questions him on his record or experience he goes back to the montra "We need change and I am going to bring it". This is a bunch of rhetoric from his camp. We heard the same things coming from Bush when he ran and he never came through on any of his promises. The reason why is because there is no clear plan with making change, just the promise that we will have it. Well guys, change is a dual sided blade and can go either way. Change for the good through hard work and dilligence, or change for the bad because of empty promises and no real plan. We really need to look at the track records of all the candidate and see who has been the harbinger's of change in the past. I would vote for obama in 2012 or 2016 when he has some more experience and has real ideas on how to change our country for the better. If our country wasnt in the situation it is right now then a man with his credentials and ideas would be more suitable for our government. But, right now we need experience, leadership, and clear goals for our country, not just pie in the sky ideologies. Going on experience, credibility, integrity and real passion for our country I am going to vote for Clinton or Richardson, they have the real experience that is imperative at this time when our country is in crisis. Edwards is alright I guess, but I am tired of hearing him talk about the middle class, when there is no middle class left because of all the issues facing us today.

R.McCall   January 6th, 2008 1:01 pm ET

I think that the previous comment about Mr Obama and Ms Rice are racist. Both are awesome leaders with tremendous talents and have world class political capabilities. They are no more being used by republicans than Hilary, as she is the one candidate that they know could energize millions of people to the pols based on a profound disdain and lack of respect for her. Her being the Dem nominee is their only hope for keeping the White House or even resurecting their dying party.

The point about her experience is an utterly ridiculous lie that is so clearly bogus. She has been a US Senator for 7 years. She has been married to a career politician. So that makes her at most a career politician's spouse who has unofficially advocated for some issues based on the coattails of her spouse (difficult to discern where she can take blame or credit for anything political) and at minimum a relatively new entrant to the workforce (politics only) with 7 years experience. First lady is an unpaid and glorified housewife, albiet the worlds greatest, position.

Obama has many years experience teaching (constitutional law school prof at Univ of Chicago), community organizing, both US and Ill state senate (9+ years).

Ms rice ran one of the worlds premiere educational institutions (Stanford) and was a principle advisor to 2 presidents on the biggest foriegn policy cocerns of our generation (Soviet Union communism and global terrorism).

hey allons,tn   January 6th, 2008 1:00 pm ET

hey would he flip for a tip GO FOR GOLD CLINTON OR EDWARDS

C Hewitt   January 6th, 2008 12:53 pm ET

Not sure why people keep conceding that Hilary Clinton has the most experience. Besides the ‘one’ election she won in New York, what other office has she been elected to? Being an assistant to a former President makes her the most experienced? The same President that was impeached. Do the people forget all the monthly scandals during the (Bill) Clinton Presidency?

Tom Dedham, Mass   January 6th, 2008 12:53 pm ET

Hillary today seeks to portray herself as a woman.

Mario   January 6th, 2008 12:50 pm ET

Who cares what Hitlery says or does, she is a cow chewing her cud and flapping her gums at the same time, I didn't know it could be done at hte same time, but she can do it. She is losing, she didn't want people to attack her when she was ahead, now she is behind and losing quickly. She is the one doing the flip flop she claims Obuma is doing, She is just a face in the pack now, she knows that it's a mattr of a short time and she will be doing her conceding speech to Obuma, she should drop out now and do this country a favor. Go Obuma!

Jim, Chicago   January 6th, 2008 12:49 pm ET

Obama is not a tool of the Republicans. Juan, (5:27 a.m.) your argument is just plain silly. It reeks of desperation.

Those of us here in Chicago, who are much more familiar with Obama than the rest of the country, know that Obama is a coalition builder who gets things done.

Condoleezza Rice used to be on the Board of Directors of Chevron Corp. She has been in big oil's pocket for her entire political career.

maynard   January 6th, 2008 12:44 pm ET

FROM WI.

HILLARY CLINTON IS IN DIRE NEED TO CHANGE HER STAND AND KNOWLEDGE ON HOW TO CANGE THE PROCESS FOR THE PRESIDENCY
IN THIS ELECTION.

YOU CAN NOT BELIVE THIS CANDIDATE ON ANYTHING SHE SAYS.
SHE IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT, ALL THE RHETORIC ABOUT HER
HAVING THE KNOWLEDGE IS ………… BILL CLINTON………….. SPEAKING. SHE DOESN,T UNDERSTAND THE INS AND OUTS OF BEING PRESIDENT

James   January 6th, 2008 12:44 pm ET

Obama does not have it hands down on the Democratside as a candidate for president just because he won in Iowa. Iowa does not represent America as some will try and have everyone to believe. The GOP and some Democrats have said that Hillary flip flop on issues. I am glad to see her show that Obama flip flop on issues too. Hillary should have done this long time ago. Hillary has the most experience to be President. All Democrats need to get behind her and make that happen.

Wesley   January 6th, 2008 12:44 pm ET

Two important questions: (1) What does it mean that Clinton out spend Edwards by 3 to 1 in Iowa, yet he still beat her? (2) How electable is she, really?

James   January 6th, 2008 12:39 pm ET

He is a flip-flooper. What has this guy done? He was a State Senator for 7 years, he abstained from the most critical and controversial votes (I believe into the hundreds and dont tell me it is a common practice in Illinois- slavery used to be a common practice, it doesn't make it right. A real leader would have made those tough choices, not hid behind some political trick to protect his arrogant ambitions).
He has been a US Senator for 2 years. He has given President Bush $300 billion in war funding - doesnt he preach how he was the only one to oppose the war. He has supported every child left behind, excuse me "No Child Left Behind." He has spent the past year campaigning for president. One year of real work in the US Senate.
He is like the smooth talking guy that tells girls anything they want to hear and promises the moon. Then, once he gets what he wants, he moves onto the next thing.
What did he promise the people of Illinois when he was running for US Senate? I'll bet he hasn't delivered on most of those promises.
Don't be stupid people!

abraham daniel   January 6th, 2008 12:36 pm ET

WELL I THINK MRS. CLINTON SHOULD JUST PUT IN HER BEST IN WHATEVER SHE DOES AND WHEN SHE LOOSES (BECAUSE SHE IS BOUND TO) SHE SHOULD HAVE THE SPIRIT OF FAIR PLAY AND STOP BLACK MAILING OBAMA. MRS. CLINTON IS GOOD BUT OBAMA IS BETTER, SHE SHOULD LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE AND SHE SHOULD NOT TRY TO BLACK MAIL. ALL VOTERS ARE 18 YEARS AND ABOVE AND THEREFORE LEGALLY THEY ARE EXPECTED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE UP THEIR OWN MIND AND NOT MRS. CLINTON TRYING TO MANIPULATE US.
CLINTON LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE DONT MANIPULATE US. THIS IS THE TIME FOR CHANGE…..LET THE CHANGE BEGIN!!

Tom, West Palm Beach, FL   January 6th, 2008 12:34 pm ET

It's funny how it takes one of the phoniest, most corrupt politicians in American history (Hillary) to expose Obama for the establishment tool that he is.

Obama is a slick politician and a warmonger who WILL NOT end the War On Terror. He talks of 'hope' and 'change', but offers only more of the same failed programs that have increased poverty in this country, caused soaring inflation and devaluation of the people's money, the erosion of civil liberties, and encouraged a military-industrial complex that bleeds us dry financially and sends us off to war for no good reason.

In short, Obama is essentially calling for a continuation what the Bush Administration is doing, whether he believes that or not. If you want real change, please vote for Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, or maybe Richardson. Obama is NO improvement over Hillary, it's time we admit that.

If Obama starts speaking out on these issues, then I will take him seriously. But I guess the American sheeple would not vote for him if he did. How sad.

Michel, Los Angeles, CA.   January 6th, 2008 12:32 pm ET

American voters are notorious for making huge mistakes when voting and then complaining when they see the disastrous effects. Electing Obama would be another HUGE mistake. Now is not the time to gamble. Obama is way in over his head and has clouded that with fanfare and hoopla that American voters are too caught up in to see through. When this dust settles Hillary will be the strong candidate standing.

Ed   January 6th, 2008 12:31 pm ET

In response to Mr. Tello's previous comment… 35yrs of experience from Mrs Clinton lets her deserve the nomination, thats laughable… She's a very intelligent woman, but she doesnt offer any new ideas, just the same old political rhetoric. Once in a life time we come accross a truly exceptional leader. Do yourself a favor and listen to Obama's speach in Iowa the other night… One of the best political speaches in the last 40yrs…

Phil Memphis, TN   January 6th, 2008 12:26 pm ET

It would be difficult for Obama to flip-flop, as he has little in the line of clear-cut positions and plans. He preaches hope, and that is a great thing, but… I think it ns inevitable he will be the Democratic candidate, and if so, I hope he can win, because any of the Republican options winning will signal the end of our country as we have known it, if for no other reason than there will never be agreement on how to address the pressing issue we have, and nothig will get done. From there, I hope he honors his promise to consider people like Biden, Richardson, Edwards, McCain, Clinton(s) etc. as advisors and get there help, because he is going to need it.

John William   January 6th, 2008 12:20 pm ET

There is no room for spinning HRC's debate performance: she was spectacular! With that said, I was also impressed with Richardson. In any case, Obama has the intellectual enlightenment to become a great president: He has proven to be a quick learner (their has been a substantial growth that has manifested here). My point is that he would have a heavy reliance on advisers. Nevertheless, it seems he would choose to surround himself with staff that will work towards accomplishing the democratic platform. So, I am more comfortable with him than before. However, Hillary is simply the best hope to light the way. There is no doubt in my mind (if given the opportunity) that she will implement a plan of action that would allow us to reconcile the multifaceted challenges that our country faces.

One last point: the fact that Edwards & Romeny tried to position themselves as agents of change was humorous. They are such a hipocrates. Did you forget how much mud both of you threw during previous debates?

I will go on record and say that I will not vote for Edwards (he is a hot air balloon with no experience or substance).

Hillary is my first choice……… Obama is now my second (now that Biden has dropped out)……….Richardson is my third…….. I would consider a third party president if Edwards somehow

Jim in Orlando, FL   January 6th, 2008 12:17 pm ET

So this is "panic mode" in the Hillary camp! BTW, Barack handled the Hillary arrows enormously well in the debate last night, turning the negative attacks of others into positives for himself. He out-classed Hillary by a New Hampshire mile.

Will one of you Hillary supporters validate her continued "35 years of experience" for me ? Experience being alive and of drinking age? Experience as a partner in the Rose Law Firm riding the coattails of the Governor ? Experience like Laura Bush and Nancy Reagan as First Ladies for 8 years ? Help me out here .. please !

Borefore P. Jallah   January 6th, 2008 12:15 pm ET

sometimes I wonder when people accuse the other of changing their stance on previous issue. I for one do not understand why they do that. Can someone please explain it? We are humans and we are suppose to be constantly changing, not grabbing on to one idea and keeping it the rest of our lives. So come on, when you accues someone at changing their stance on an issue, it only tells me a great deal about your character. That you think in just one way , that you do not listen to the arguments of other,that you do not look a the circumstance and the evolving world. That is not the kind of quality that I will expect in a leader of a great country. You should be as consistent as possible but it does not mean you hold on to your ideas even when they are wrong or when the circumstsnces have changes.

Carl H.   January 6th, 2008 12:10 pm ET

Here is some information about Barack Obama that the media refuses to talk about and will not discuss until the summer, giving the Republicans the opportunity to win the White House.

He supported an Energy Bill in 2005 that gave tax breaks to oil companies was larded with all kinds of special interest breaks, giveaways to the oil companies. Hillary voted NO!

Senator Obama's chair in New Hampshire is a lobbyist. He lobbies for the drug companies.

Four years ago he was for single-payer health care. Then he moved toward a rejection of that, a more incremental approach. Then he was for universal health care; then he proposed a health care plan that doesn't cover everybody.

He said he would vote against the Patriot Act; but came to the Senate, and voted for it. He said that he would vote against funding for the Iraq war; but came to the Senate and voted for $300 billion of it.

Let us look at Barack's accomplishments in the Community Organization in Illinois and the Illinois State Senate as well as the U.S. Senate. This info contained in articles from the Sun-Times, Chicago Tribune, boston.com - Mar 2006, The Nation Jun 2006, and Politico.com - Nov 2007. However these stories only lived 10 minutes.

He has been friends with Rezko on a social level for 10 years and was approached by Rezko re joining in a real estate venture while he was working to establish low income housing through the community group. He declined. However, when it turned out that Rezko was a slumlord in Obama's district, Obama pled ignorance.

He has been after Hillary to release papers from her
husband's administration. Yet he has ignored requests from the Sun-Times and the Chicago Tribune to do the same for his time in the Illinois Senate. He now says he gave them all to his successor.

He voted against the Bankruptcy bill in the U.S. Senate but also voted against an amendment that would have capped interest rates at 30%.

He voted FOR the class-action "reform" bill which limited "frivolous" lawsuits which was denounced by the Democratic Party and most major civil rights and consumer groups.

He supported Joe Lieberman's re-election over Ned Lamont(an activist and anti-war candidate). Lieberman has been his mentor since he has been in the Senate.

Last but not least, after he was elected to the Senate, he was pretty mum on the war until until late in 2005 when John Murtha gave his press conference calling for troop withdrawal. Obama, five days later, came out calling for a drawdown in 2006 but pulled back on this when he appeared on Meet the Press in January, saying - as the neocons were- that withdrawing troops "would be irresponsible" - but
then in May 2006 again reversed himself and attacked the "stay the course" policy.

Ron   January 6th, 2008 12:09 pm ET

Come on New Hampshire. VOTE HILLARY!!!!!!

Kyle   January 6th, 2008 12:05 pm ET

Obama? Are you serious? Florida/New Hampshire for Hillary. She can get it done. Obama is all talk. We all have the same views for change, but this man can't get it done. He will say whatever the people want to hear. Actually when he speaks, it sounds like Oprah speaking. I think she tought him how to speak. Let's get real, why is she actually backing Obama? Gee, let me think. This country was at its best when Bill was in. When you vote for Hillary you are getting a team. Everyone must get out and vote for Hillary if you know what's best for our country. By the way, I lost all respect for Edwards. He looked like an ass last night.

Hal   January 6th, 2008 12:03 pm ET

They're both flip-floppers, of course. Before these candidates ran for president, they were LAWYERS. They're not good people folks, as much as they try to portray themselves as such. They are successful because they have mastered the art of manipulating the public to believe them.

Simple fact is, Obama, Hillary, Huckabee, and Rudy made non-profit JudicialWatch.org's "Top 10 Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians" for 2007. You really think you can trust someone on a list like that? They provide some pretty striking reasons for placing them on that list. It is a shame the press hasn't picked up that top 10 list more, they could have a field day!

Bruce   January 6th, 2008 12:03 pm ET

I watched the debates and time after time Clinton stated she had 35 years of experience. I was wondering why no one called her on that statement. I myself can't understand what experience she was referring to. She was the wife of a govenor and then the wife of a president. Granted she was a lawyer, but didn't have a politcal career until she saw an opening in NY and bought a house there and convinced the people of NY to vote her into office.

I would have like to see "anyone" ask her to explain in detail the 35 years of experience she felt she had. She puts down other candidates for lack of experience and that and the war in Iraq seems to be her primary weapons.

I would have like to see all of them answer the questions that were asked of them rather than spewing the same old tales or promises over and over again. It was more a dog and pony show than a debate of any substance.

christine   January 6th, 2008 12:02 pm ET

Hillary can not match up to Obama's message of unity, hope and change. She is too much of an insider and is entrenched with political interest groups and lobbyists. She also has been and continues to be very divisive. Her very attacks on Obama on experience contradicted how Bill was elected in 1992. Hillary should let go and support Obama to defeat the Repulicans. Go Obama 08! Edwards will be great for Obama's AG.

Dan, TX   January 6th, 2008 12:01 pm ET

Obama is not a flip-flopper. He is solid. He knows what he believes. Clinton could take a lesson from Obama.

Maria, Houston   January 6th, 2008 11:59 am ET

Fuzzy math. Clinton is 60. She claims 35 years of experience. Are we supposed to believe that being 25 year old staffer is a qualified PRESIDENTIAL experience? Or working for the Law firm in Arkansas is a qualified presidential experience? What a nonsense. That does not make her any different than thousands of people with similar experiences.

CNN, your account of the last night's debate is inaccurate and does not include responses from Obama or Edwards which were sharp and to the point. Mrs. Clinton was irritated and came across as quite unpleasant, combative and frankly, un-inspiring - one of her her main problems. When Obama speaks, we listen. When Hillary speaks, I yawn and walk away …

Durtybastud   January 6th, 2008 11:58 am ET

When nothing else fails, take the low road Hillary. Is this the example of the modern American woman? When you can't beat your opponent my your own merit, skills, and experience go discredit them then. Get on ya knees after you finish bad mouthing Obama. Get some mouth wash Hillary.

Matt   January 6th, 2008 11:57 am ET

OBAMA ROCKS!!! He will surely be heading at White House very soon. Everybody knows it. That's what all the people say around…

Liz   January 6th, 2008 11:53 am ET

Wake UP New Hampshire!!!!!! Edwards was a snake last night. Of course he is going to team up with Obama. He is trying to knock out Hillary. I know the young people in New England are smart. Change? Everyone wants change. Hillary is the ONLY choice for president. She knows change. VOTE HILLARY.

Dr. Brad Burke   January 6th, 2008 11:46 am ET

HRC said in the debate (quite rudely and condescendingly) that we needed a 'reality check'. Yet, she's the one who lied about Obama's record. And today there IS a new reality- it's called being truthful and honest.

Obama did vote for an improved version of the Patriot Act, while elegantly spoke to the Senate about his reservations that it was still not enough of an improvement. But, as he stated on the record, it was far better than the version Bush was trying to push through. In fact, Obama not only filibustered the original Bush version but actually helped to improve the Act.

Obama was never allowed to respond to this "cornered animal" attack or explain his views on the war or the Patriot Act. I recommend that voters find out for themselves what the truth is before believing what a desperate candidate shouts. Besides, IT'S TIME TO STOP POLITICAL MUDSLINGING AND TO START WORKING FOR AMERICANS.

Mike   January 6th, 2008 11:45 am ET

I think that Hillary's hapless "get tough" routine just highlights how desperate she is. What a loser.

Hillary is hoping that the electorate will forget about all of her "flip-flops"—like the questionable profits that she took on futures trading back in Arkansas, the convenient disappearance of records during the time that she was First Lady…etc.

Speaking as an Independent, we need someone without all of Hillary's "baggage" to be President. Also…what real experience does she have running anything?..

jack, ny, ny   January 6th, 2008 11:45 am ET

After Bush it is Obama…..US going down hill. Whatever damage bush did is going to be finished off by Obama. After all it is about who you can have beer with…screw the economy, iraq war or healthcare. Lets burn america by own bare hands.

Steve   January 6th, 2008 11:41 am ET

Let me see if I understand this HRC/WJC strategy.

In Iowa I am seasoned and experienced. No mention of my being a agent of change.

In New Hampshire I have morphed into " agent of change".

If public opinion polls require I become a " freedom fighter" after New Hampshire, so be it.
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As a life long democrat ( social liberalist ) I find the most attractive options those candidates the understand the definition of Democracy and Republicanism.

Not the present definitions we have accepted.

The people of this land must reject labels that are insular and polarizing.

A candidate to lead must be one that refuses to yield to the status quo and harbors a yearning to tap the greatness we people are blessed to hold.

American citizens will require the leaders of tomorrow to bind us in a common good.

I am still seeking discovery and no longer will tolerate a fracturious climate.

S.P-K   January 6th, 2008 11:34 am ET

To R. Wall. Research Hillary Clinton's resume pre-1992. You'll be surprised. Then try to find me similar achievements in Obama's past.

JK Ash