January 6, 2008
Posted: January 6th, 2008 12:25 AM ET
McCain and Huckabee both have an interest in seeing Romney lose in New Hampshire Tuesday.

Clinton tried to get tough on Obama Saturday.

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Democrat Hillary Clinton pointedly criticized rival Barack Obama at a crucial New Hampshire debate Saturday night, seeking to paint him as a flip-flopper on key issues.

No longer the party's clear frontrunner after her third-place showing in Iowa, Clinton went after the Illinois Democrat at the top of the debate for what she said was shifted stances on the Patriot Act and funding the Iraq war.

"Well, you've changed positions within three years on, you know, a range of issues that you put forth when you ran for the Senate, and now you have changed," Clinton said. "You said you would vote against the Patriot Act. You came to the Senate; you voted for it. You said that you would vote against funding for the Iraq war. You came to the Senate, and you voted for $300 billion of it."

"So I just think it's fair for people to understand that many of the charges that have been leveled, not just at me, but also at Sen. Edwards, are not totally, you know, unrelated to the very record you have," she added.

Obama immediately took issue with Clinton's characterization, and hit back saying, "I think the people of America are looking for are folks who are going to be straight about the issues and are going to be interested in solving problems and bringing people together."

The crucial debate came the same day a CNN/WMUR poll out of the Granite State showed the two candidates locked in a dead-heat, each drawing 33 percent of support among likely Democratic voters in the state.

– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

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kingbakkenisdead   January 10th, 2008 6:28 pm ET

Nobody gets it.The corpo-fascists have decided to go with Obama.Why was Obama getting all the corporate money when was 20 points behind in national polls.When Howard Dean was in the lead in "04 he got nothing.John Edwards finished second in Iowa and has still gotten virtually nothing from the corporate interests.They don't give money to agents of "change." Obama is the perfect candidate.The media loves and he'll get a free ride.If he fails the democrats will be stuck with him in 2012 and then here comes Jebby!

elizabeth   January 7th, 2008 3:00 pm ET

Hillary needs to understand that this is not a junior-high personality contest; it is for high stakes; we are in trouble as a nation, domestically and foreign. "Please Hillary, take the American people to task." We are not interested in personality, we want substance and experience and you are the one to give us that. And I might add, Obama needs to understand this as well. He will do us much harm if he continues to believe that because he is a superb orator, that he is America's answer. Remember, Adolph Hitler also had the gift of oratory, and he gave the German people what they wanted in his speeches and propaganda. All the "older" people know the outcome; the young should, through their history books, understand this as well.

AJ; Montpelier, VT   January 7th, 2008 2:17 pm ET

How can anyone tell if Obama is a flip-flopper, he barely ever makes it to the Senate for a vote....

George K, Indiana   January 7th, 2008 9:44 am ET

PLEASE – the woman can't even tell us what her own name is.

Mike - CT   January 7th, 2008 1:34 am ET

Papers across New Hampshire have declared Hillary the best choice for president and I agree with them because Hillary Clinton is the best choice.
Check this short ad on You Tube:

Bill   January 7th, 2008 12:15 am ET

Who is she fooling...The Senator invented "flip flop"

guo5598   January 6th, 2008 9:30 pm ET

Obama all the way!

Not because Clinton is not good, she just not good enough for this job, she voted yes for most of the Bush/Cheney things and she should just quit the compaign and support Obama for the American.

Ginny, Ca   January 6th, 2008 8:55 pm ET

Hillary won the debate hands down. She was focused, zeroed in on issues, showed tremendous knowledge of the challanges facing America, displayed indepth understanding of foreign relations, and more. She out-classed Obama and Edwards, and showed stength in defending herself against their labeling of her as "status-quo". She provided some rather sweet humor when she said her feelings were hurt because people didn't think she was likeable. Unlike the arrogant Obama who, without looking up from his note-taking, said to her, "You're likeable enough." (This, after she graciously and light-heartedly said she thought Obama was very likeable.) Hillary held her own when Obama and Edwards ganged up in their attacks on her. I'm so glad she is fighting back . Keep it up, Hillary. A lot of voters really got a good look at you and saw that your strength, experience, dedication, and hard-work trump "hope" any day.

GaryO   January 6th, 2008 8:21 pm ET

Obviously media coverage strongly favors Obama. Even the article we’re responding to characterizes Hillary as the aggressor and Obama as the capable young man just defending his position. “Clinton criticized Barack Obama . . . seeking to paint him as a flip-flopper.” Yep, that makes Hillary the villain.

Hillary pointed out instances to Obama where he had promised one thing and did another. But our Hero, “hit back saying, ‘I think the people of America are looking for are folks who are going to be straight about the issues and are going to be interested in solving problems and bringing people together.’”

In other words Obama “hit back” with nothing. He did not address Hillary’s charges at all, and yet he is painted by CNN as the hero and winner of that little verbal altercation.

You’ve got to wonder why the national news media so strongly favors Obama in this election. The media could conceivably engineer the nomination for its chosen candidate if all elements pool their resources. After all, perception is reality; and the media controls perception. But why choose Obama as the Democratic candidate?

Will it make for better drama if Obama becomes the Democratic presidential candidate? Will it increase the audience for news programs? You bet it will, and it will also increase advertising revenue and profit. And besides, a black guy might be more interesting to cover. It kind of breaks up the monotony of the same old routine every four years. If the national news media has its way, Baraq Obama will be our Democratic presidential candidate.

James Cantrell   January 6th, 2008 7:58 pm ET

Amazing,the crap we listen to between Obama and Clinton,she voted for the war I didn't ect.Who gives a rats azz folks,niether of these canidates would make a good leader,in reality niether one of them understand anything about anything.If folks want a true understanding of the issues facing America,listen to Ron Paul.

Tyler in Raleigh, NC   January 6th, 2008 7:51 pm ET

Hillary's experience for change means:

Her record: Flip-flopping on the war, drivers licenses and her own name.
Bills record: Lying to the American people, his spouse and federal prosecuters, not to mention taking money from questionable sources.

So is this what we can expect from her on day 1?

Then I say no thank you. We do not need another term of people who feel they are better than the American people and should not be questioned because they are doing what is best for us. Isn't she just a clone of Bush? Politics as usual, not change.

Obama can clearly win a general election, more so than Hillary dividing the country. She showed her temper and attitude, and then falls back to be an innocent woman when convenient.

She complains words do not result in change. What does then? Guns and war? Was it not words by Martin Luther King, John F Kennedy, Ronald Reagan and Franklin Roosevelt that motivated the country to be and do greater?

Did our founding fathers not put pen to paper and set forth documents of freedom and liberty for all the people?

It was by their power to inspire us to try for freedom, come out of depression, reach the moon and win the cold war that led to change. Their words brought supporters as Obama and Edwards do. They make citizens feel a part of the government and that we do not have to act out of fear but out of hope.

Its time to stop choosing a president (Bush and Clinton) that tell us we can not achieve things, that we must be afraid of what could happen and to seek safety and a mediocre life. What happened to the baby boomers that wanted to end a war in Vietnam, that wanted to change the world?

Are they so jaded and used to the status quo that its time for a new generation to come in and do what is needed? Let us vote for what we wish we could be, and not out of what we fear could happen.

Scott, Madison, WI   January 6th, 2008 7:45 pm ET

So how many more layers of masks does Hillary have left? She has shown so many different faces and talked out of more sides of her mouth than all the candidates combined? Landing in New Hampshire, we saw the self-declared winner from Iowa acting like she beat her opponents – (Reminder Hillary, you place third); then we see the "change candidate" with 35 years of experience – (Another reminder Hillary, you witnessed a good share of that experience as Senator Dodd has pointed out and pillow talk and drinking tea doesn't count! You also marched right along with George Bush until you started your campaign); now we're seeing what we expected: the shrill, slash-and-burn politics with which you and Bill destroyed the Democratic party (as John Edwards so eloquently reminded us!). If the Clinton years were so great, how did George Bush end up in the White House?

Fact: John Edwards and Barack Obama both have more years in public service than you do and have accomplished more in that time than you have in all your years in the Washington political machine.

Fact: I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings, but half the Democratic party doesn't like you because you are not the real thing (a female Mitt Romney without the bad dye job and you can't give a straight answer to save your soul).

Fact: We are still facing all the same issues we were when Bill ran for office in 1992! Hello!

Fact: You have been tested and you have failed. You caved in for the last 8 years and just recently started "opposing" the Bush administration when it became popular.

Fact: Barack Obama voted for the revised version of the Patriot Act that Russ Feingold rewrote not the original one as you did.

Fact: You can't admit you were wrong about anything just like the current Commander in Chief.

So to sum it up, you are not ready to lead from day one but may be ready to hit the ground; it just won't be running. This is the price you pay for trying to change the Democratic Parrty to Republican-lite. We need someone to unite our party, not walk around trying to settle old grudges from the past and using the same stale, old tactics from the last century.

wittybanter   January 6th, 2008 7:40 pm ET

It's Obama's race to lose at this point. People are sick of the status quo e.g. Hillary and the rest of the bunch.

colsmartcol   January 6th, 2008 7:32 pm ET

I think it was despicable to see Obama and Edward tag -team to portray Hillary as Status quo. The last time I checked, Clinton is not Bush. The status quo which is Bush trembles when you call the C- word and I think Democrats shoul appreciate that. Don't count Clinton out!

darko   January 6th, 2008 6:55 pm ET

even if the obana won the race in iowa..that doesn't mean that he'll be next president in usa..when i go to vote i'll vote for hillary clinton..i want her to be in history of first lady president in usa..and we all should voe for her..how the germany got president lady first time in history..we should be getting hillary for president..and other things i heard from other people that they say obama is muslim..so than if he is the muslim than why are we wasting time on obama..so i don't want to vote for obama in a first place..and i'm not here saying nothing against all people that want to be president;on obama's side it's not fair when his wife was speaking about hillary on a bad side..if you are on same boat than be as a partners..so people all i want to say here..LET'S ALL VOTE FOR HILLARY....what ever obama say that he'll do for usa he lie...all the words that is coming from his mouth is all lies...i believe that hillary can turn america in a good way..that one day when hillary get white house that we all can wake up in sunshine morning and see in usa no more street violances,no more war in iraq,,,so when you people go to voting make sure that you all vote for hillary...i'm first at the voting that are going to wote for HILLARY...so GO HILLARY...

Marsha, OR   January 6th, 2008 6:51 pm ET

First I want to address what people are calling Hillary flip-flopping on the war. I thought from the beginning it was extremely intelligent of her not to apologize for voting for the Iraq war like Edwards because she knew that if she did, in the General Election he Republicans would accuse her of being a flip flopper. She has neve apologized for this or "flip-flopped" she has explained her reasons for voting for the war, stated she was mislead by Bush in those reasons, and says she does not believe we should have troops in Iraq now. That is not flip-flopping.

Obama's flip flopping record: Against the Patriot act then voted for it. Against repealing DOMA, then changed his mind one month later after supposedly talking to gay friends who were hurt by this, against the Iraq war and repeatedly has used this as a campaign pusher, but yet voted for funding it, said he supported universal health care like Canada's system, yet does not propose anything close to this in his health care play. This is indeed flip-flopping.

Not to mention he is indecisive – he conveniently voted "present' on a number of issues in the state congress. And most importantly and I don't know why no one is bringing this up – on the most recent Iran vote he missed the vote. This is an important vote! But also one that can put him under a lot of scrutiny, so what does he do – he misses it. THIS IS NOT A LEADER! He is an orator and nothing but.

On another note, I wanted to ask? Is there no one else that notices the underlying sexism in this debate. Hillary defends herself against the status quo comment and every one says she is being "shrill" "defensive" a "schreeching shrew" "angry." Had a man, assertive – yes "assertive" is the correct word to use hear people, not "schreeching shrew" – "wait a minute, I bring change, I have 35 years of experience bring change..." that man would have been seen as being a strong, passionate, assertive candidate. Have it come from a woman and all of a sudden she defensive and it's the worse moment of her debate according to the media. I thought it was an excellent point and one that needed to be made. Obama does not have the experience needed to make the change that his rhetoric speaks of. He is rhetoric and that is it.

Also, all the other sexist comments on this board like, "she can't decide whether her name is Hillary Clinton or Hillary Rodham Clinton" or how about "Will someone please call Senator Clinton out on her 35 years of experience! Experience doing what? Watching her husband sleep with numerous women…if that's the case…then yea, she sure does have experience." These comments just illustrate that part of the reason she is doing poorly is the ingrained sexism in this country.

Anyone who has bothered to educate themselves on the candidates would know that that she has been interested in politics since she was a teenager and involved actively in politics since she was an undergraduate. And as far as looking at the Obama website. Yeah, I've been there...he doesn't have crap about his views on abortion, or gay rights...and I'm supposed to vote for this "democrat."

I don't think so. He flap that jaw all he wants. I'm voting for Clinton's record of change.

ghty   January 6th, 2008 6:35 pm ET

Mrs. Clinton is a capable and quality leader. She is strong and able. Her husband was not trustworthy to her, but during his presidency my life was ten times better financially. She is also the only person on stage that actually cares that EVERY American get health care, just like EVERY Canadian or EVERY British. We are the only country that treats its citizens like crap if they can't afford something. Obama wants to force people to insure their children...well that's great what parent doesn't try to do that anyway? I don't have insurance but thanks to HILLARY my kids do have CHIP. But if bush or romney get their way they won't have that either. My husband and I both work, and I have a 4 year degree. We are not the uneducated underclass. We are just going through financial hard times. HILLARY is the only one that seems to have a grasp that millions of Americans are just like us. Besides that, parents need healthcare too, who is going to take care of our children if we are sick and dying? If a republican or Obama get in office, I am going to see if I can get my Canadian immigration application pushed through. Yes, I vote.

Larry Buchas, New Britain, CT   January 6th, 2008 6:31 pm ET

I notice one thing consistent has been Obama's demeanor. Hillary's personality has taken on "Sybil." I feel optimistic Obama would become a great President. I don't know what to expect with Hillary. But I know she can't be trusted.

Michael from CT   January 6th, 2008 6:29 pm ET

The media is so bias in favor of Senator Obama over Senator Clinton that it makes me sick. I respect the fact Hillary has listened to what the American people have said and is now clearly against giving driver licences to illegal aliens however in the previous debate Senator Barack Obama openly admits that he supports giving driving licences to illegal aliens yet the bias media has and still is giving him a free pass on this issue. The majority of the media has also giving a free pass to John Edwards because he claims to be for the poor and the middle-class yet as an investor John Edwards has ties to lenders who have forclosed on hurricane Katrina victims. If we want serious change in this country then we need to support Senator Hillary Clinton as President because she has the experience to bring us that real change and she her record proves that she is sincere about helping the middle class and the poor. Senator Clinton also has the best chance to win the national election which is another reason why voters need to think long and hard at the big picture. If Senator Obama or John Edwards were to get the nominaton that would handing the Whitehouse another Republican victory which would result in more of the same. It's a shame the media has been bias against Hillary because she would be good for America and help us gain back the respect at home and around the world which is something we lost due to the failures of the Bush administration.

Kate   January 6th, 2008 6:08 pm ET

I am really tired of Hillary's nagging. It just shows me how immature she is and how revengeful she can be. I don't want someone like that as my president.

I'm also a bit offended by how she keeps using the gender game, basically making herself a victim because she's a woman and trying to use that for her benefit. No one is criticizing her because she is a woman, it's of how ALWAYS talks about things that she has done for America, when I haven't seen anything she has done? And in my book 8 years as first lady doesnt count towards experience?
Just look at her talk, I don't see any honesty or sincerity in her eyes. All I see is a woman who is power hungry. Besides she's the flip-flopper here, she copies everything other candidates do.

I will go for Obama, he has more capacity to make America a better place and fight for what the people need. OBAMA 2008!!

Walt, Belton, TX   January 6th, 2008 6:05 pm ET

Obama is becoming known as being flippant and Clinton is certainly becoming known as a flopper. That being the case, do we actually have, right here on our very own stage, an honest to goodness flip-flop?

Harold Bishop, NH   January 6th, 2008 5:42 pm ET

Lucille:

I'll help you make a bumper sticker! Sure! Let's do it!

We can use the photograph above, and add the following captions:

"Hillary looks to find substance on the horizon."

"Barack checks out her new flip flops."

What do you say?!

Much love, no harm intended!

:-)

Annie   January 6th, 2008 5:37 pm ET

Hillary has no more experience running a country than any other candidate. That 35 years of experience is 7 years in the Senate, (in which she spent most of her time campaigning for the Presidency) and the rest of it was as the wife of a President and Govenor. Obama spent 8 years in the Illinois state legislature and 3 years in the Senate. How does her experience outweigh his? They worked to write laws.

Ask yourself this. If you watched the debate last night, who would you rather have negotiating with other countries? Do you want one that remains calm and is not threatening, and listens to you and then reponds calmly. Or, one that points his/her finger at you while he/she is scolding you because you believe something different.

Last night I saw a Presidential candidate and a spoil brat that wasn't getting its way.

Jeffrey Eckman   January 6th, 2008 5:31 pm ET

Obama voted for the Patriot Act too.

B.J. Bower   January 6th, 2008 5:27 pm ET

Yes, Hillary we need a doer not a talker. We need YOU and when you go to the Oval Office on your first day as President you will have issues on your desk and you will know what to do and how to gather together the people who support your agenda. You will not be a puppet like Obama will be with people telling him what to do because he has no experience. I want a President who already knows what to do and how to make it happen. I do not want a President who will be overwhelmed because of lack of experience. I want a President who has a mind of her own and knows how to get it done. Hillary Clinton is and will be that President.

Bella Girl, Chicago, IL   January 6th, 2008 5:24 pm ET

Ducan,

I would ask the same of Obama supports when he voted for the Patriot Act.

Ayyub, Richmond, Va   January 6th, 2008 5:19 pm ET

"Hillary showed that the thing Obama changes best is his own mind!"

I can't believe you said that! Hillary changes her mind on position all the time. She went from just experience to experience brings change, He position of supporting the war in Iraq, and she stole "Fired up and ready to go" from Obama, I could believe it when I heard it. Hillary uses a political poll and is just bumbarded with your staffs ideas to the point she doesn't have a mind of her own. You can tell her staff is desperate to win because of last night when Hillary lost her cool and blabbed out anything to slow down Obama plus using the gender card, she and the staff are desperate now. It's sad to see. I think you should change that to -

"Hillary showed that she is mostly mindless when it comes to running her own campaign, she or maybe just her staff don't know where Hillary stands on issues and would do and say anything to get elected, even ignoring issues and policies of other candidates to smear them by using the same ones as she did last night by telling half of the truth or making up a fabrication."

That's what you should have said. Hillary get a life, stop being desperate!

Duncan, Richmond, VA   January 6th, 2008 5:13 pm ET

A question for all you Clinton supporters.. how can you claim to be an American (I assume you are if you are voting) and yet support someone who voted for the Patriot Act? Serious answers only please.. truly, I really would like to know..

Jeffrey Eckman   January 6th, 2008 4:41 pm ET

I for one an sick of the media predictions when only one state has voted. They jump all over the place and make fools out of themselves. When was the last time that Iowa voted for a Democrat in the general election? They have never elected a woman to a major office. Look, I agree that we all want change but I for one want responsible change. I would be happy with Clinton, Obama or Edwards. It is just a question who is best suited to deal with a country in turmoil. Let's not get into a popularity contest. George was totally unqualified to do the job and look where we are now. I think Mrs. Clinton has the most hands on experience and has the no how to get us on the right track.

Mary D. Waite   January 6th, 2008 4:26 pm ET

I am from small community in Eastern Kansas and have following everything that I can regarding this election. I take the United States very personal when dealing with issues and whether any one candiate can solves all the problems in one term. Obama scares me in the fact that in my opinion that American people are gabbing at straws and want someone fresh with not realy ties to anyone. Politics are politics and America "does need" someone that knows how things runs. I don't hear what back up he will have. To make changes you can not do it alone; to make changes you need other political figures around you. How can he say that expperience does not matter.

The American people are asking for change and at this point are willing to scafice and take a chance no matter what!
I still votes for you!!!

Bill in Montgomery, AL   January 6th, 2008 4:23 pm ET

Who flip-flops?? Everytime that Hillary checks a poll that shows an opinion different than hers, she immediately changes her position. Hillary is the "flip-flop" Queen. Okay, Hillary, time to drag out all the relatives and close friends to tell us what a kind, caring, considerate, wonderful, generous, loving, principled, etc., etc., person you really are. As I understand it, there was no real Mother Theresa, Mother Theresa was actually Hillary Clinton, who wanted to remain anonymous about her good deeds!

Russell, NC   January 6th, 2008 4:21 pm ET

Hillary claims she wants change, yet she continues to drag that cruddy Bubba along with her.

Chris, Middletown, CT   January 6th, 2008 4:15 pm ET

35 years of political experience....my next door neighbor has been a practicing physician for the past 20 years....can I count that on my resume too??

For the dumb HRC supporters....while Bill Clinton was governor....Hillary was a partner in the Rose Law Firm (full time) – and also on the board of directors of Walmart....and yet...."35 years of polical experience" – can all the women in and out of Bill Clintons bedroom also count that as "political experience"

And btw....she didn't author the SCHIP bill....look it up....tired of being lied to...??

We need a moderate....Giuliani....if he's not offered up..(and I'm a Republican) – Obama will get my vote....

Democrats also need to start to be alittle introspective....and stop with their hands out....supporting every entitlement program out there....John F Kennedy said "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" – maybe you need to stop looking for handouts and people to blame

charles enoch   January 6th, 2008 4:15 pm ET

sorry peoples..she's had her shot...she's going negative now..sorry peoples that's not a change..that's the same..i was going for her..put since she's going negative today..to save the old guard ass'sno more bush...no more clinton..sorry i want a fresh new face

girish divecha   January 6th, 2008 4:11 pm ET

This is about time that Mrs. Hillary Clinton takes a firm stand on the issues facing America. All she has been doing is sending mixed messages e.g. From Iraq war to issues affecting day today lives of comman American citizens.

The campaign slogan should be " AMERICA AND AMERICANS FIRST THEN THE REST OF THE WORLD". Iraq war has broght disgrace to this great nation. We have turned around from that make a firm policy decision to get out of Iraq and concentarte all resources where it is needed most and i. e. United States of America.

If you do not do this then may GOD HELP THIS US of A and YOU.

Joe D   January 6th, 2008 4:07 pm ET

pam Eugene OR , you are neot a flip flopper!
There was a time when America was under terrorist threat, and at that time we needed to vote for a protector, and we did in Bush.
Now we need change.... Need i say more!

Ajay Jain   January 6th, 2008 4:04 pm ET

Barrack Hussien Obama may win the nomination if he wins New Hampshire but ONLY to LOOSE in the general election where his idealism will not work. We do not want another Republicaan President for 4 more years!

Edward won the debate only to lose the nomination because he does not have the means to go the distance!

Jr., California   January 6th, 2008 4:03 pm ET

Lucille,

Change this!

Sean, Detroit, MI   January 6th, 2008 4:02 pm ET

Lucille, you can put things in ALL CAPS all you want...

still doesn't make that bumper sticker the least bit clever or poignant..

Lisa   January 6th, 2008 3:54 pm ET

Obama is energizing people who have been disenfranchised from government for many years. He has given them reason to believe that their opinion matters, that they can take back their government, and make politicians represent the ordinary guy, and not special interest groups, and lobbyists. He gives us reason to believe for a better future – and Hillary says it is false hope, not to dream so big, be patient, wait, and she is as good as it gets. She says that she has done the work for 35 years – and you know what, I don't feel that she has accomplished for me what I would like to be done–if 35 years of hard work results in telling people to scale down their hope, expectations, and to trust the government to do what is best for them then I don't want any part of her.

Were the Wright Brothers crazy in believing in flight? Were women being foolish to fight for the right to vote, rather than wait patiently and quietly along the side until someone gave them the right? Were slaves wrong to escape through the underground railroad to an unknown place – they didn't know what to expect, they knew that it wasn't going to be easy, they knew that they would encounter difficulties – but going for it was much more acceptable than to accept the status quo.

Paul Ca   January 6th, 2008 3:53 pm ET

Pam voted for GW and now supports Obama. Wow!

michael   January 6th, 2008 3:51 pm ET

The media made Hillary the front runner before anybody voted in the primary. Now the media is making this nomination process “Change versus Experience”. We buy into this media game without asking ourselves what really do these candidates stand for, what have they accomplished, and where do they want to see us go.

In my rational way of looking at things and perhaps in my reality world, this contest is about change and the agents of change.

On the one hand, we have change, idealistic and theoretical, driven by empty words (false hope) and strong emotions but only temporary because it cannot stand the test of time. A change that will require four years on the job training to clean the mess of the current administration. A change that will take a second term in office before the agents can even begin implementing their ideas which has been lost in this discussion perhaps because they really don’t have one.

On the other hand, we have change that can be put into effect right away. A change based on logical and rational thoughts and grounded on experience. A change that does not require on the job training. A change that can stand the test of time. A change you can feel, hear, see, smell, taste, and touch.

President Bush was an outsider, an agent of change. He was elected 8 years ago with the help of the Supreme Court and re-elected 4 years ago. Exit polls showed that he was well liked, most people consider him to be their next door neighbor, he was the type they could hang out with, etc. With only the concept of change and no experience on foreign affairs amongst others, he surrounded himself with the best experienced advisers money can buy. What do we have today in return? A broken system: FBI/CIA abuses, Iraq war, Effects of Hurricane Katrina, Economic woes, Recession, etc.

I know Obama and Edwards are not President Bush. I am sure they have different set of ideas and values. But I think it will be wrong to put the future of our country in the hands of someone without the first hand experience involved in the concept of change especially in today’s global dynamics of powers.

Lucille   January 6th, 2008 3:46 pm ET

WE NEED A BRAND NEW BUMPER STICKER(S) IN CIRCULATION NOW. IF ANYONE KNOWS WHERE THESE CAN GET MADE – IT WOULD SURELY PUT OUT A POWERFUL MESSAGE:

HELP ME CREATE THESE!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE..............

HILLARY BUMPER STICKER:

"HILLARY = TESTED...CHANGE"
OBAMA = SHORT CHANGED..."
IT'S YOUR CHOICE...

AmericanVoter   January 6th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

Hillary showed that the thing Obama changes best is his own mind!

Suzie   January 6th, 2008 3:33 pm ET

Remove my name and e-mail, please. If you aren't going to print my posts, just delete me. period!

nightmare in New York   January 6th, 2008 3:21 pm ET

It takes more than a Health Care Plan.

nightmare in New York   January 6th, 2008 3:19 pm ET

I have heard some say this one has a stategy to do this against this one; another to do that.against that one. But I have not heard them say anything about a stategy Barack Obama planned against anyone. What a Man I mean President!

Kat   January 6th, 2008 3:11 pm ET

Why am I only seeing good things about Hillary in here? IS the government controlling CNN as well?

nightmare in New York   January 6th, 2008 3:06 pm ET

why is Bill Clinton telling us what he thinks we should do about illegal immagrants?

How is it that Bill Clinton can tell us where Senator Clinton stands on all these issues but she cannot tell us?

"Who is running for President him or her?

Why can't Senator Clinton defend herself?

It appears that Bill Clinton knows better than Senator Clinton what she would do as President!

I haven't heard Senator Clinton speak on any of the things Bill Clinton is speaking of. Why is this?

If he thinks Hillary is all that he claims she is then why did he cheat on her?
GET THE PICTURE

Kalee   January 6th, 2008 3:04 pm ET

First, let us not base the winner of the nomination rest on the results of Iowa. There are many people who live there that will tell you the process is outdated and needs to change. Let Obama and Hillary duke it out over who has the better character. Look at Edwards, he is willing to do the work, make the changes that need to be done, and get the country back on track.

Jimmy Sanborn   January 6th, 2008 3:00 pm ET

Elijah:

I agree, wheather she wins or not SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON will be out there trying to make change. She works very hard. This alone is why she is so well known. She has had to step on alot of feet just to get children health care. She just about destroyed herself for trying to get Health Care for Americans in the 90's and she is still standing fighting the fight today. Trying to come up with some sort of plan to Insure us all.

As for JOHN EDWARDS. Why is he not in public office today. Isn't their something he could be doing in his multble attempts at the Presidencey. I admire him for his desires, but they are with out substance. He really has no resume.

As for SENATOR BARACK OBAMA. All hipe, He is a good speaker at times, but here again he spends all his time running for office and forgets to do his job. As he put it himself on the Iran Gaurd issue. That he missed the vote because he was running for president. Alone with his Illinios votes on Abortion. He was affraid of how his vote would effect his politicail career so he just voted present. which by Illinios laws is a nuturial vote. Not Presidential material. Sorry Obama. As for Obama supporters. They are very rude and disrespectful. Even when they blog. They spend more time calling names using bad judgment if the other person doesn't agree. They can not accept any others thoughs. Mean spirited people. What they said in Iowa was 19 to 29 year olds.. They way the kids talk around here is that he may legalize drugs and soften the laws, because he RELATES to them. I have children from the age of 17 to 26. along with their wifes and husband , friends, and cousins. , My kids are 3.7 and up grade average. One in the Army, and two in college, one in high school. Two of my children are unfortunatly Republicans. The other two are Democrats like me. The Youngest is a diehard Senator Clinton supporter and even campaigns for her in school. She is a 4.0 student who performs on the forensic team with her school and hopes to inspire like Senator Clinton. My oldest daughter also supports Senator Clinton and is in college preparing for law school. Both my girls look up to Senator Clinton. My youngest son told me the other day in one of our disagreements that it was ok to smoke pot and party. that it will soon be legal . He is a Republican supporting Obama, but he is my partier and won't remember to vote. and I will surly not remind him because of the drug issue. My son likes Obama simply because of a political stunt by Obama. "The Drug report" Trying to show honesty may have lead in some teenager out there decideing that it is ok to smoke pot because Obama did. This should not have been used to get a vote. At the expense of one Child they went to far.

Bimmer   January 6th, 2008 3:00 pm ET

I think CNN is being partial in moderating comments. While it has no problem in publishing vulgar comments attacking Hillary, it has issues publishing comments about Edwards and Obama ganging up on Hillarya nd Obama's .looking tired and uniterested in the debate proceedings.

Bev   January 6th, 2008 2:49 pm ET

Very well put, R Wall. The only comment I have is that , IMO, Huckabee is another GW.

Jeffrey   January 6th, 2008 2:45 pm ET

Platitiudes and wishes won't get the work done. We're voting for a President who has serious work ahead of them. We've seen where "likeability" has gotten us these last 7 years. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, well...you know.
Time to get real, Dems.

Ito, Yokosuka Japan   January 6th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

Here's the conversation between HRC and Obama in the picture above.

Hillary: I can see the promised land...I can see it...I can take all of you there...vote for me...and you'll never go hungry again.

Obama: Uh...Hillary...your shoes are tied together...

Hillary: Oh, naive Obama...so inexperienced...

Obama: No, really, somebody tied your shoes together...you better fix that before you start running.

Hillary: People, how can Obama be your candidate of hope and change when he is always looking down?

Obama: Will somebody please tell her that her shoes are untied, she is going to fall on her face if she starts running.

Clintonistas: Shut up, Obama, our candidate has always been and always will be the forward looking candidate for real change.

ObamaGirl: But if HRC can't see that her shoes are tied together, can she really lead from day one?

HRC and Clintonistas: Burn in hell, you retarded coconspirator in the vast right wing conspiracy. We will lead this country to the promised land, oh you who cannot deal with the idea of a woman president.

Obama (bending down to fix her shoes): Oh for Pete's sake. I'll fix your shoes for you.

Clinton: Away with your Obama, you naive scoundral. My fellow Americans, don't submit to false hopes and waste your vote on Obama. Look at me...I am the one who looks forward. See Obama? How can he lead your forward when he is looking down?

Obama: Fine...run Hillary...and fall on your face when the race starts...all I wanted to do was help...

Charlie   January 6th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

Hillary Clinton seems unstable and angry all the time.

Giving me the impression that if you're not with her you're against her.

pam Eugene OR   January 6th, 2008 2:25 pm ET

Very well said R Wall. I do not hold all the same opinions I did just a few years ago. I listen, watch and learn and that at time changes my position on issues. I voted for GW the first time and now support Obama. Does that make me a flip flopper?

Ito, Yokosuka Japan   January 6th, 2008 2:25 pm ET

I like how people say Bush is the worste president in 100 years, and he hasn't even finished his second term in office. It's obvious that Nixon and Carter were the worste presidents in recent history (the record shows this). Duh... At least we can debate that because time allows us to take an objective look. Yes, only time will tell if Bush stands "among" the worste. See the word quotes.

And now the elitist Democrats who think everyone who disagrees with them is retarded, are struggling to coronate the mother of all elitists who thinks she should have the office of president for no other reason than it is her birthright. Make no mistake about it, all these other "qualifications" HRC is talking about are nothing more than smoke being blown up your beeep.

The most experienced candidate ever? Obsurd. Do you really believe that?
Ready to lead on day one? Yeah, right. And no other candidates are ready?
Against the war in Iraq from the start? Yeah, "cough" John Kerry.
For universal healthcare? Doh! Democrats gonna fall for that again?
Blah, blah, blah...

Go ahead, Democrats. Nominate HRC, or Billary Clinton, and you will see four years of the same thing you are seeing now with Bush. Go forth little sheep, and nominate her royal thighness, the great divider who has no morals. That's a good idea. And you all call Republicans retarted? Bwa ha ha ha ha...

Trang, Fremont CA   January 6th, 2008 2:24 pm ET

Hillary, you should take notes on how Obama handles your attacks with grace.

I think Obama is intelligent. He wants to look as many sides as possible and try to come up with the best solution. He wants input from the young, the old, Democrats, Independents, and Republicans, etc. with his proposed transparency government. As current, we can scream and feel like nobody listens. Only the rich people can have a seat at the table. At least, with him, we can share ideas, and leave it up to him to determine the best course of action because he receives input from many, including the people. And when he makes his decision, he provides a rationale for it. Also, with his transparent government, we can hold him accountable as well. Yes, we want to change the way government is currently run as well because it doesn't work.

C. Hough   January 6th, 2008 2:05 pm ET

I can only speak for myself. I am for change, and against this heated argumentative approach of the past. If the mud-slinging starts getting ugly, I will vote for the one that doesn't feel the need to defend him or herself from a contender -Republican or Democrat. I don't think that I am alone in this country in wanting someone that brings people together instead of tearing them down. We've had enough of that already, and we have evolved past negative campaigning.

I choose unity, and I avoid confrontation whenever possible. I expect the same in the seat that heads our country. If I wanted another argumentative president, I would elect the 12 year old girl-next-door who has all the answers with none of the contamination of Washington.

gertrude spence   January 6th, 2008 2:04 pm ET

I don't understand the media's judgement calls relative to the candidates' performance in the debates. I wish the media would butt out and let the viewers form their own judgements of the candidates. What I considered a very positive position by Hillary Clinton was dubbed a negative by the press. Platitudes as presented by many of the candidates are all well and good, but governing is all about getting results and that takes a pragmatic approach to problems. We in this country seem to elect someone akin to a good baptist minister who appeal to one's emotions. That may feel good, but it doesn't produce results. Both Bill Richardson and Hillary Clinton presented proven results from the hard work they did in the government but the press and many people aren't interested in the details and the press portrays the presentation of the details as un-understandable. Are you all stupid? Addressing difficult problems in an in-depth, intelligent fashion is what we need right now. We've had eight years of wrong-headed idealism. Is everyone blind and deaf? We don't seem to learn from our mistakes, sadly. And Rudy's comments about America being greatest when it relies on its people not government is ludicrous. Who does he think the government is? It is elected by the people.

Brian, Syracuse NY   January 6th, 2008 1:53 pm ET

Just because Hillary quotes an AP article quoting her own campaign staffs accusations, doesn't make her accusations true.

Hillary is going down BAD in New Hampshire. If CNN had Obama down 12 points before Iowa, imagine how he's gonna do now that they have him tied in New Hampshire!

Sue, Michigan   January 6th, 2008 1:52 pm ET

I'm tired of the flip-flop arguments as well. Maybe after last night the candidates (including you, John Edwards!) will stop picking on each other. Edwards was right about one thing...Hillary stayed above the name calling until she didn't win Iowa. but whatever...they are all trying to stake out ground for themselves. Voters do need to see each one's strengths and weaknesses. I feel that in the end Hillary will prevail because she does have the most experience, and it is beginning to come through.
I watched the Republicans too, and was struck by how unlikable they all are. And they are all in lockstep with Bush on terror and Iraq, totally ignoring what the American people believe. I guess if you're happy with the fascist shift in this country (and Rudy sure loves the wiretapping, detention with no representation, and torture aspects of it!) stay the course and vote Republican.
For me, I want to see America restored to greatness and rightness; I want my country to represent true freedom for all people, to respect my rights, and to promote, but not force, democracy abroad. I will vote for Hillary.

Bonnie   January 6th, 2008 1:50 pm ET

Why don't people see that a Clinton – Obama ticket would be such a shoe-in. There isn't a Republican who could touch them. They need to stop the hostility and work together. He would bring her the young and black vote and she would bring the older and women vote. Obama would get a terrific opportunity for the 8 years of experience he needs so that he could walk away with 2016 in his pocket. He needs to look to the future and learn what he can. He isn't ready quite ready but could be in 2016. If Hillary is smart with her Sec. of State ( too bad it can't be Bill)and allows Obama to be more than a figure head, they will turn this country around and bring the change it needs.

Rich In Seattle   January 6th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

Hillary says she has 35 years of experience. I thought Bill was the one in office as both Gov and President. So if I go by this logic, my wife has worked for Starbucks for 12 years, so I can say I know as much about how to make coffee as she does. Although I would have no idea what to do if put behind the coffee bar. But hey, I have 12 years of experience at Starbucks. I just wouldn't drink any coffee I'd make. Bill Clinton has the experience, I fair to see what Hillary did while in the white house except fail at Health Care.

jojo   January 6th, 2008 1:48 pm ET

Isnt Hillary the true flip flopper? In just a few short days, she went from being the nice candidate who had her mother behind her to the schreeching shrew she now is in New Hampshire. Just bringing Chelsea along is not going to secure the youth vote.

Achille Salesh   January 6th, 2008 1:48 pm ET

I know that nobody can easily trust others when it cames to mixing personnal emotions and practical truth on the political arena.

Obama is just a victim of the Democratic-Republican old "Establishment" whose main goal is to keep this beautiful and peacefull country in their "talons".

I remember, the day Obama took a stage to annouce his candidacy in Springfield, my 8 yeard-old daughter and I, together watched the television. We remember an incredible thing that occurs.

In stead of Obama's speech, we heard Martin Luther King exactly saying this: " I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together."

My eyes were tearful, but I coudn't realize why this happens.

Six months later, had a dream. A soft voice said to me before to ticket with Obamas and Cliton's photos : " Have you seen these to tickets ? If Democrats pick this, they'll win. But this one will request Herculeans efforts to overcome Republicans strenght ". When I woke up, I realize it was a dream. I explainded it to my wife.

A few days ago, I had another dream in which the same voice said: " the worst Obama's enemy is definitely racism. He should fight it without responding to the flood of insult his going to go through, soon ".

Finally I'd like to recommend this man who symbolize the real change ( from the out side, as Clinton confessed that she will make the change from the in side. In side what ? I guess in side the system ).

Obama's youth isn't at all an handicap to becoming a Wise and God president.

It's the way to renew everything and enhance the country's reputation.

America should stay " Home of the Brave" as we learned.

Mike   January 6th, 2008 1:47 pm ET

Obama and Clinton owe a hell of a lot of money to special interests for this campaign, yet they say they are about change. What change will that be?...tax breaks and government contracts for a different set of corporations than those that benefited from the Bush administration? All we need to do is see who is funding the big bucks. As President Carter said, the special interests that fund these campaigns see it as an investment – as they would for any outlay of capital.

Edwards may not be perfect, but he certainly walks the talk when it comes to change. Clinton is as status quo as they come and Obama is a joke....no track record demonstrating he can execute on the scale of change he talks about...and a campaign that is run just like those of the good old boys in Washington (with a lot of IOUs to special interests).

Bob   January 6th, 2008 1:34 pm ET

To Juan

Are you kidding me you must be from another country here is your quote "35 YEARS OF HONEST POLITICAL LIFE EXPERIENCE,
IS VERY HARD TO DESTROY,
MRS HILLARY CLINTON DESERVE 100% TO BE OUR PRESIDENT"

She never held public office untill she suckered in New Yorkers to vote for her. Now from my account that wasnt 35 years ago furthermore to use the term Clinton and honest in the same phrase is an oxymoron. It is people like you who scare me when an election comes up stop listening to her and do your own research. I bet you change your opinion on the 35 years and that the Clinton's are honest.

Mary, Iowa voter   January 6th, 2008 1:31 pm ET

As an early Clinton supporter I had high hopes of welcoming the first woman to be POTUS. I then began doing ethics investigations, mostly on my local politicians, but guess what I found? Please check behind the curtain carefully.

Clinton has it wrong. Barack was not there for the Patriot Act vote. He cosponsored Feingold's legislation to alter the Patriot Act to bring it more in line with what would protect our rights. Barack's health insurance policy DOES cover everyone, and leading HEALTH care economists agree!

Barack has been against this war from the start and spoke about it loud and clear while still just RUNNING for the Senate; a bit of a gamble, eh? He's never once supported this war. Senator Edwards not only was on the Intel Committee and voted for it, he co-sponsored it. Senator Clinton voted for it and didn't come away from that committment until long after it became clear to the rest of the US that it was an error in judgment.

I would feel differently if there were really 35 years (tho apparently now it's 36, according to Bill) of political experience, but I don't see how making millions in real estate deals has anything to do with politics; unless you consider the legal implications of it.

I do so worry about what has happened to the Constitution, and I know what candidate supports that "piece of paper" thoroughly.

Joseph   January 6th, 2008 1:30 pm ET

WOW, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black! She say's she is for the middle class but her husband (her experience) signed the death warrent for US with NAFTA. What will she do if (god forbid) elected to be the president with her Bill experiece, oh I know more of the same. It's time for something new Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama 08!

Chrisona   January 6th, 2008 1:25 pm ET

Since the midterms, poll after poll has shown that the American people think the country is on the wrong course. These polls make Hillary's pseudo-incumbency strategy even more puzzling. Not only is she not a presidential incumbent, but it's not a good day for anybody to be an incumbent.

Hillary is presenting herself to the country as a pseudo-incumbent with a sham marriage and a surgically enhanced daughter who is not allowed to talk to anybody.

And what is the constitutionality of offering an unelected spouse as a co-president?

Maybe Rod Serling is directing her campaign from beyond.

Suzie   January 6th, 2008 1:22 pm ET

R. Wall.....

Mrs. Clinton has been making decisions for many years and probably longer than she said. She was on a commission that investigated Watergate back when Nixon was in trouble. She made many decisions as an attorney, and as First Lady of Arkansas. As First Lady of Arkansas, her husband who was Governor at the time entrusted her to come up with a plan to improve schools, especially test scores. This program was implemented, I believe, in most states.
Then as First Lady of the United States – again her husband, the President of the US asked her to come up with a health care plan for every American. She did, and Americans were fools to go against that plan, as you know if you've visited the doctor lately, or had tests done.
She was sleeping with the president – as Nancy Reagan put it in her book, "My Turn". Do you really not think this woman had no influence on her husband? If so, I pity you.
Hillary is not unlikeable either. She may not have the southern charm of her husband, but she has likeable qualities of loving children, and fighting for them, and she has proven that. Although I am an Edwards fan I couldn't let this pass unchallenged. She is a lovely woman and it's too bad she didn't achieve warmth during her years in Arkansas.

Dickson Abimbola   January 6th, 2008 1:12 pm ET

In my view, I think the media are having good time with what is going on with the campaign, and are not ready to do their journalism work by vigorously digging into the background of these candidates who are running for the oval office for the sake of our belovest Country. Any one running for the president of United States at this crucial time when our Country is at war must be taking very seriously. The media must do the people's work by trying to find out what factor(s) will determine his/her principle as matter of action in relevance to their past records not talk. Talk is cheap.
Senator Obama is a senator from my State of Illinois, and as an immigrant, I value his opportunity and hard work for doing something very unique for all blacks and by giving all immigrant children the hope for the future, but my point here is deeper than personal feelings for his echo of change. The man ran for a senate race couple of years ago, and rumour have him linked with a convicted lobiest friend that since encountered his relationship with Obama and donated for his campaign. And not a single press think this information is an important issue for a candidate running for an oval office to respond to, in his word. As a state senator, he never take position on issues, and sure his records and his past need to be in microscope like other candidates in the race from both party. Many a time media have challenged the policy of Gov. Mike Huckabee including the tax issue and ex-convicted commutation. Gov. Romney has been dug many times about his policy as Governor, so also is Senator Clinton and senator McCain. I think the press purposely have giving Senator Obama a free pass to answer to his records and other important vital issues that voters must know about him. The media are igniting this race for their goodies, rather than doing what is right for this nation.
Fact, we the people are looking up to your investigation on these candidates. During the cold war, American were saying we need leader that is capable of defending this nation against outside enemies, and the media make it a priority to open up to voters what each of the candidates background revealed, which allowed voters to make powerful and senseful decision. American People see media as their mouth piece and hope, they belief in their powerf of revelation of our leaders inconsistencies. Why not now, we are living in a more dangerious world now than during the cold war. Those years we knew our enemy, now we hardly can pin-point these enemies that hate America so much, and want to do us harm so bad for no good reason. This is why the media must put these candidates records out to and their background must be in microscope for us to see inother to make good decision about who must be the next world leader. If it reveals that what either of these candidates were stood for is contrary from their campaign slogan, and if there were agenda that is out there, it should come out quickly for evaluation of credibily by the American people, before it is too late.
It is time that our media need to go to work for the people for the love of our belovest Country. This is not a sport, it is the basic fundamental of democracy in action. God bless America.

edward magee   January 6th, 2008 1:11 pm ET

Mrs Clinton carries to much baggage, when she will be aske later, regarding her husbands, extramarital affairs.

edward msgee

Jon, Lantana   January 6th, 2008 1:08 pm ET

For me, I have really tried to like Barack Obama cause on the surface what he says is what America wants to hear. However, in listening to him speak in all of the debates he is just a bunch of words with no clear plan on how to accomplish change. If anyone questions him on his record or experience he goes back to the montra "We need change and I am going to bring it". This is a bunch of rhetoric from his camp. We heard the same things coming from Bush when he ran and he never came through on any of his promises. The reason why is because there is no clear plan with making change, just the promise that we will have it. Well guys, change is a dual sided blade and can go either way. Change for the good through hard work and dilligence, or change for the bad because of empty promises and no real plan. We really need to look at the track records of all the candidate and see who has been the harbinger's of change in the past. I would vote for obama in 2012 or 2016 when he has some more experience and has real ideas on how to change our country for the better. If our country wasnt in the situation it is right now then a man with his credentials and ideas would be more suitable for our government. But, right now we need experience, leadership, and clear goals for our country, not just pie in the sky ideologies. Going on experience, credibility, integrity and real passion for our country I am going to vote for Clinton or Richardson, they have the real experience that is imperative at this time when our country is in crisis. Edwards is alright I guess, but I am tired of hearing him talk about the middle class, when there is no middle class left because of all the issues facing us today.

R.McCall   January 6th, 2008 1:01 pm ET

I think that the previous comment about Mr Obama and Ms Rice are racist. Both are awesome leaders with tremendous talents and have world class political capabilities. They are no more being used by republicans than Hilary, as she is the one candidate that they know could energize millions of people to the pols based on a profound disdain and lack of respect for her. Her being the Dem nominee is their only hope for keeping the White House or even resurecting their dying party.

The point about her experience is an utterly ridiculous lie that is so clearly bogus. She has been a US Senator for 7 years. She has been married to a career politician. So that makes her at most a career politician's spouse who has unofficially advocated for some issues based on the coattails of her spouse (difficult to discern where she can take blame or credit for anything political) and at minimum a relatively new entrant to the workforce (politics only) with 7 years experience. First lady is an unpaid and glorified housewife, albiet the worlds greatest, position.

Obama has many years experience teaching (constitutional law school prof at Univ of Chicago), community organizing, both US and Ill state senate (9+ years).

Ms rice ran one of the worlds premiere educational institutions (Stanford) and was a principle advisor to 2 presidents on the biggest foriegn policy cocerns of our generation (Soviet Union communism and global terrorism).

hey allons,tn   January 6th, 2008 1:00 pm ET

hey would he flip for a tip GO FOR GOLD CLINTON OR EDWARDS

C Hewitt   January 6th, 2008 12:53 pm ET

Not sure why people keep conceding that Hilary Clinton has the most experience. Besides the ‘one’ election she won in New York, what other office has she been elected to? Being an assistant to a former President makes her the most experienced? The same President that was impeached. Do the people forget all the monthly scandals during the (Bill) Clinton Presidency?

Tom Dedham, Mass   January 6th, 2008 12:53 pm ET

Hillary today seeks to portray herself as a woman.

Mario   January 6th, 2008 12:50 pm ET

Who cares what Hitlery says or does, she is a cow chewing her cud and flapping her gums at the same time, I didn't know it could be done at hte same time, but she can do it. She is losing, she didn't want people to attack her when she was ahead, now she is behind and losing quickly. She is the one doing the flip flop she claims Obuma is doing, She is just a face in the pack now, she knows that it's a mattr of a short time and she will be doing her conceding speech to Obuma, she should drop out now and do this country a favor. Go Obuma!

Jim, Chicago   January 6th, 2008 12:49 pm ET

Obama is not a tool of the Republicans. Juan, (5:27 a.m.) your argument is just plain silly. It reeks of desperation.

Those of us here in Chicago, who are much more familiar with Obama than the rest of the country, know that Obama is a coalition builder who gets things done.

Condoleezza Rice used to be on the Board of Directors of Chevron Corp. She has been in big oil's pocket for her entire political career.

maynard   January 6th, 2008 12:44 pm ET

FROM WI.

HILLARY CLINTON IS IN DIRE NEED TO CHANGE HER STAND AND KNOWLEDGE ON HOW TO CANGE THE PROCESS FOR THE PRESIDENCY
IN THIS ELECTION.

YOU CAN NOT BELIVE THIS CANDIDATE ON ANYTHING SHE SAYS.
SHE IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT, ALL THE RHETORIC ABOUT HER
HAVING THE KNOWLEDGE IS ............ BILL CLINTON.............. SPEAKING. SHE DOESN,T UNDERSTAND THE INS AND OUTS OF BEING PRESIDENT

James   January 6th, 2008 12:44 pm ET

Obama does not have it hands down on the Democratside as a candidate for president just because he won in Iowa. Iowa does not represent America as some will try and have everyone to believe. The GOP and some Democrats have said that Hillary flip flop on issues. I am glad to see her show that Obama flip flop on issues too. Hillary should have done this long time ago. Hillary has the most experience to be President. All Democrats need to get behind her and make that happen.

Wesley   January 6th, 2008 12:44 pm ET

Two important questions: (1) What does it mean that Clinton out spend Edwards by 3 to 1 in Iowa, yet he still beat her? (2) How electable is she, really?

James   January 6th, 2008 12:39 pm ET

He is a flip-flooper. What has this guy done? He was a State Senator for 7 years, he abstained from the most critical and controversial votes (I believe into the hundreds and dont tell me it is a common practice in Illinois- slavery used to be a common practice, it doesn't make it right. A real leader would have made those tough choices, not hid behind some political trick to protect his arrogant ambitions).
He has been a US Senator for 2 years. He has given President Bush $300 billion in war funding – doesnt he preach how he was the only one to oppose the war. He has supported every child left behind, excuse me "No Child Left Behind." He has spent the past year campaigning for president. One year of real work in the US Senate.
He is like the smooth talking guy that tells girls anything they want to hear and promises the moon. Then, once he gets what he wants, he moves onto the next thing.
What did he promise the people of Illinois when he was running for US Senate? I'll bet he hasn't delivered on most of those promises.
Don't be stupid people!

abraham daniel   January 6th, 2008 12:36 pm ET

WELL I THINK MRS. CLINTON SHOULD JUST PUT IN HER BEST IN WHATEVER SHE DOES AND WHEN SHE LOOSES (BECAUSE SHE IS BOUND TO) SHE SHOULD HAVE THE SPIRIT OF FAIR PLAY AND STOP BLACK MAILING OBAMA. MRS. CLINTON IS GOOD BUT OBAMA IS BETTER, SHE SHOULD LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE AND SHE SHOULD NOT TRY TO BLACK MAIL. ALL VOTERS ARE 18 YEARS AND ABOVE AND THEREFORE LEGALLY THEY ARE EXPECTED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE UP THEIR OWN MIND AND NOT MRS. CLINTON TRYING TO MANIPULATE US.
CLINTON LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE DONT MANIPULATE US. THIS IS THE TIME FOR CHANGE.....LET THE CHANGE BEGIN!!

Tom, West Palm Beach, FL   January 6th, 2008 12:34 pm ET

It's funny how it takes one of the phoniest, most corrupt politicians in American history (Hillary) to expose Obama for the establishment tool that he is.

Obama is a slick politician and a warmonger who WILL NOT end the War On Terror. He talks of 'hope' and 'change', but offers only more of the same failed programs that have increased poverty in this country, caused soaring inflation and devaluation of the people's money, the erosion of civil liberties, and encouraged a military-industrial complex that bleeds us dry financially and sends us off to war for no good reason.

In short, Obama is essentially calling for a continuation what the Bush Administration is doing, whether he believes that or not. If you want real change, please vote for Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, or maybe Richardson. Obama is NO improvement over Hillary, it's time we admit that.

If Obama starts speaking out on these issues, then I will take him seriously. But I guess the American sheeple would not vote for him if he did. How sad.

Michel, Los Angeles, CA.   January 6th, 2008 12:32 pm ET

American voters are notorious for making huge mistakes when voting and then complaining when they see the disastrous effects. Electing Obama would be another HUGE mistake. Now is not the time to gamble. Obama is way in over his head and has clouded that with fanfare and hoopla that American voters are too caught up in to see through. When this dust settles Hillary will be the strong candidate standing.

Ed   January 6th, 2008 12:31 pm ET

In response to Mr. Tello's previous comment... 35yrs of experience from Mrs Clinton lets her deserve the nomination, thats laughable... She's a very intelligent woman, but she doesnt offer any new ideas, just the same old political rhetoric. Once in a life time we come accross a truly exceptional leader. Do yourself a favor and listen to Obama's speach in Iowa the other night... One of the best political speaches in the last 40yrs...

Phil Memphis, TN   January 6th, 2008 12:26 pm ET

It would be difficult for Obama to flip-flop, as he has little in the line of clear-cut positions and plans. He preaches hope, and that is a great thing, but... I think it ns inevitable he will be the Democratic candidate, and if so, I hope he can win, because any of the Republican options winning will signal the end of our country as we have known it, if for no other reason than there will never be agreement on how to address the pressing issue we have, and nothig will get done. From there, I hope he honors his promise to consider people like Biden, Richardson, Edwards, McCain, Clinton(s) etc. as advisors and get there help, because he is going to need it.

John William   January 6th, 2008 12:20 pm ET

There is no room for spinning HRC's debate performance: she was spectacular! With that said, I was also impressed with Richardson. In any case, Obama has the intellectual enlightenment to become a great president: He has proven to be a quick learner (their has been a substantial growth that has manifested here). My point is that he would have a heavy reliance on advisers. Nevertheless, it seems he would choose to surround himself with staff that will work towards accomplishing the democratic platform. So, I am more comfortable with him than before. However, Hillary is simply the best hope to light the way. There is no doubt in my mind (if given the opportunity) that she will implement a plan of action that would allow us to reconcile the multifaceted challenges that our country faces.

One last point: the fact that Edwards & Romeny tried to position themselves as agents of change was humorous. They are such a hipocrates. Did you forget how much mud both of you threw during previous debates?

I will go on record and say that I will not vote for Edwards (he is a hot air balloon with no experience or substance).

Hillary is my first choice......... Obama is now my second (now that Biden has dropped out)..........Richardson is my third........ I would consider a third party president if Edwards somehow

Jim in Orlando, FL   January 6th, 2008 12:17 pm ET

So this is "panic mode" in the Hillary camp! BTW, Barack handled the Hillary arrows enormously well in the debate last night, turning the negative attacks of others into positives for himself. He out-classed Hillary by a New Hampshire mile.

Will one of you Hillary supporters validate her continued "35 years of experience" for me ? Experience being alive and of drinking age? Experience as a partner in the Rose Law Firm riding the coattails of the Governor ? Experience like Laura Bush and Nancy Reagan as First Ladies for 8 years ? Help me out here .. please !

Borefore P. Jallah   January 6th, 2008 12:15 pm ET

sometimes I wonder when people accuse the other of changing their stance on previous issue. I for one do not understand why they do that. Can someone please explain it? We are humans and we are suppose to be constantly changing, not grabbing on to one idea and keeping it the rest of our lives. So come on, when you accues someone at changing their stance on an issue, it only tells me a great deal about your character. That you think in just one way , that you do not listen to the arguments of other,that you do not look a the circumstance and the evolving world. That is not the kind of quality that I will expect in a leader of a great country. You should be as consistent as possible but it does not mean you hold on to your ideas even when they are wrong or when the circumstsnces have changes.

Carl H.   January 6th, 2008 12:10 pm ET

Here is some information about Barack Obama that the media refuses to talk about and will not discuss until the summer, giving the Republicans the opportunity to win the White House.

He supported an Energy Bill in 2005 that gave tax breaks to oil companies was larded with all kinds of special interest breaks, giveaways to the oil companies. Hillary voted NO!

Senator Obama's chair in New Hampshire is a lobbyist. He lobbies for the drug companies.

Four years ago he was for single-payer health care. Then he moved toward a rejection of that, a more incremental approach. Then he was for universal health care; then he proposed a health care plan that doesn't cover everybody.

He said he would vote against the Patriot Act; but came to the Senate, and voted for it. He said that he would vote against funding for the Iraq war; but came to the Senate and voted for $300 billion of it.

Let us look at Barack's accomplishments in the Community Organization in Illinois and the Illinois State Senate as well as the U.S. Senate. This info contained in articles from the Sun-Times, Chicago Tribune, boston.com – Mar 2006, The Nation Jun 2006, and Politico.com – Nov 2007. However these stories only lived 10 minutes.

He has been friends with Rezko on a social level for 10 years and was approached by Rezko re joining in a real estate venture while he was working to establish low income housing through the community group. He declined. However, when it turned out that Rezko was a slumlord in Obama's district, Obama pled ignorance.

He has been after Hillary to release papers from her
husband's administration. Yet he has ignored requests from the Sun-Times and the Chicago Tribune to do the same for his time in the Illinois Senate. He now says he gave them all to his successor.

He voted against the Bankruptcy bill in the U.S. Senate but also voted against an amendment that would have capped interest rates at 30%.

He voted FOR the class-action "reform" bill which limited "frivolous" lawsuits which was denounced by the Democratic Party and most major civil rights and consumer groups.

He supported Joe Lieberman's re-election over Ned Lamont(an activist and anti-war candidate). Lieberman has been his mentor since he has been in the Senate.

Last but not least, after he was elected to the Senate, he was pretty mum on the war until until late in 2005 when John Murtha gave his press conference calling for troop withdrawal. Obama, five days later, came out calling for a drawdown in 2006 but pulled back on this when he appeared on Meet the Press in January, saying – as the neocons were- that withdrawing troops "would be irresponsible" – but
then in May 2006 again reversed himself and attacked the "stay the course" policy.

Ron   January 6th, 2008 12:09 pm ET

Come on New Hampshire. VOTE HILLARY!!!!!!

Kyle   January 6th, 2008 12:05 pm ET

Obama? Are you serious? Florida/New Hampshire for Hillary. She can get it done. Obama is all talk. We all have the same views for change, but this man can't get it done. He will say whatever the people want to hear. Actually when he speaks, it sounds like Oprah speaking. I think she tought him how to speak. Let's get real, why is she actually backing Obama? Gee, let me think. This country was at its best when Bill was in. When you vote for Hillary you are getting a team. Everyone must get out and vote for Hillary if you know what's best for our country. By the way, I lost all respect for Edwards. He looked like an ass last night.

Hal   January 6th, 2008 12:03 pm ET

They're both flip-floppers, of course. Before these candidates ran for president, they were LAWYERS. They're not good people folks, as much as they try to portray themselves as such. They are successful because they have mastered the art of manipulating the public to believe them.

Simple fact is, Obama, Hillary, Huckabee, and Rudy made non-profit JudicialWatch.org's "Top 10 Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians" for 2007. You really think you can trust someone on a list like that? They provide some pretty striking reasons for placing them on that list. It is a shame the press hasn't picked up that top 10 list more, they could have a field day!

Bruce   January 6th, 2008 12:03 pm ET

I watched the debates and time after time Clinton stated she had 35 years of experience. I was wondering why no one called her on that statement. I myself can't understand what experience she was referring to. She was the wife of a govenor and then the wife of a president. Granted she was a lawyer, but didn't have a politcal career until she saw an opening in NY and bought a house there and convinced the people of NY to vote her into office.

I would have like to see "anyone" ask her to explain in detail the 35 years of experience she felt she had. She puts down other candidates for lack of experience and that and the war in Iraq seems to be her primary weapons.

I would have like to see all of them answer the questions that were asked of them rather than spewing the same old tales or promises over and over again. It was more a dog and pony show than a debate of any substance.

christine   January 6th, 2008 12:02 pm ET

Hillary can not match up to Obama's message of unity, hope and change. She is too much of an insider and is entrenched with political interest groups and lobbyists. She also has been and continues to be very divisive. Her very attacks on Obama on experience contradicted how Bill was elected in 1992. Hillary should let go and support Obama to defeat the Repulicans. Go Obama 08! Edwards will be great for Obama's AG.

Dan, TX   January 6th, 2008 12:01 pm ET

Obama is not a flip-flopper. He is solid. He knows what he believes. Clinton could take a lesson from Obama.

Maria, Houston   January 6th, 2008 11:59 am ET

Fuzzy math. Clinton is 60. She claims 35 years of experience. Are we supposed to believe that being 25 year old staffer is a qualified PRESIDENTIAL experience? Or working for the Law firm in Arkansas is a qualified presidential experience? What a nonsense. That does not make her any different than thousands of people with similar experiences.

CNN, your account of the last night's debate is inaccurate and does not include responses from Obama or Edwards which were sharp and to the point. Mrs. Clinton was irritated and came across as quite unpleasant, combative and frankly, un-inspiring – one of her her main problems. When Obama speaks, we listen. When Hillary speaks, I yawn and walk away ...

Durtybastud   January 6th, 2008 11:58 am ET

When nothing else fails, take the low road Hillary. Is this the example of the modern American woman? When you can't beat your opponent my your own merit, skills, and experience go discredit them then. Get on ya knees after you finish bad mouthing Obama. Get some mouth wash Hillary.

Matt   January 6th, 2008 11:57 am ET

OBAMA ROCKS!!! He will surely be heading at White House very soon. Everybody knows it. That's what all the people say around...

Liz   January 6th, 2008 11:53 am ET

Wake UP New Hampshire!!!!!! Edwards was a snake last night. Of course he is going to team up with Obama. He is trying to knock out Hillary. I know the young people in New England are smart. Change? Everyone wants change. Hillary is the ONLY choice for president. She knows change. VOTE HILLARY.

Dr. Brad Burke   January 6th, 2008 11:46 am ET

HRC said in the debate (quite rudely and condescendingly) that we needed a 'reality check'. Yet, she's the one who lied about Obama's record. And today there IS a new reality- it's called being truthful and honest.

Obama did vote for an improved version of the Patriot Act, while elegantly spoke to the Senate about his reservations that it was still not enough of an improvement. But, as he stated on the record, it was far better than the version Bush was trying to push through. In fact, Obama not only filibustered the original Bush version but actually helped to improve the Act.

Obama was never allowed to respond to this "cornered animal" attack or explain his views on the war or the Patriot Act. I recommend that voters find out for themselves what the truth is before believing what a desperate candidate shouts. Besides, IT'S TIME TO STOP POLITICAL MUDSLINGING AND TO START WORKING FOR AMERICANS.

Mike   January 6th, 2008 11:45 am ET

I think that Hillary's hapless "get tough" routine just highlights how desperate she is. What a loser.

Hillary is hoping that the electorate will forget about all of her "flip-flops"-like the questionable profits that she took on futures trading back in Arkansas, the convenient disappearance of records during the time that she was First Lady...etc.

Speaking as an Independent, we need someone without all of Hillary's "baggage" to be President. Also...what real experience does she have running anything?..

jack, ny, ny   January 6th, 2008 11:45 am ET

After Bush it is Obama.....US going down hill. Whatever damage bush did is going to be finished off by Obama. After all it is about who you can have beer with...screw the economy, iraq war or healthcare. Lets burn america by own bare hands.

Steve   January 6th, 2008 11:41 am ET

Let me see if I understand this HRC/WJC strategy.

In Iowa I am seasoned and experienced. No mention of my being a agent of change.

In New Hampshire I have morphed into " agent of change".

If public opinion polls require I become a " freedom fighter" after New Hampshire, so be it.
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As a life long democrat ( social liberalist ) I find the most attractive options those candidates the understand the definition of Democracy and Republicanism.

Not the present definitions we have accepted.

The people of this land must reject labels that are insular and polarizing.

A candidate to lead must be one that refuses to yield to the status quo and harbors a yearning to tap the greatness we people are blessed to hold.

American citizens will require the leaders of tomorrow to bind us in a common good.

I am still seeking discovery and no longer will tolerate a fracturious climate.

S.P-K   January 6th, 2008 11:34 am ET

To R. Wall. Research Hillary Clinton's resume pre-1992. You'll be surprised. Then try to find me similar achievements in Obama's past.

JK Ashburn, VA   January 6th, 2008 11:22 am ET

"She doesn't quit, and that's a good thing in a leader." This is a quote from Bill Clinton anticipating Hillary's loss in Iowa. Or is it endorsing Bush's leadership in Iraq?

Philippe (Brussels)   January 6th, 2008 11:21 am ET

She got there a really good point. I was eager to read Obama's answer but he did not answer the question, which is really desappointing.

Does anyone know why he voted for the Patriot Act ?

I'm from Belgian and our first citizens pursued for "terrorism" because of our Patriot Act-like legislation (which was voted not long after yours) are probably going to be condemn in a week. Even Greenpeace is having problem with that freedom-killing legislation.

kk B   January 6th, 2008 11:20 am ET

HILLARY, DON'T FORGET UR DRIVING LICENCE ISSUE, AMERICA NEEDS A STRAIGHT ANSWER TO TOUGH QUESIONS, AND OBAMA IS SO FAR VERY CONSISTENT- HE IS A GIFT OF THE WORLD TO AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTANS THE WORLD BETTER. BECAUSE HE IS FROM THE WORLD.
CNN I KNOW THIS IS RIGHT BUT IF U DIDN'T WANT TO POST MY PRO OBAMA BUT ANTI HILLARY ARGUMENT OF MINE U IT IS UR CHOICE– THIS IS MY SECOND TIME I AM WRITING THE COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE IF YOU DIDN'T DISPLAY THIS I WILL KNOW THAT YOU ARE BISED AND THIS WILL BE MY LAST TIME TO VISIT YOUR WEB SITE.

Linda Carpenter, Phoenix, Arizona   January 6th, 2008 11:18 am ET

Hillary Clinton will be able to get changes to happen. She knows how to work the system and has always worked for the people of America. I like Sen Obama, but like Jimmy Carter, he has not worked the crowds in Washington and no matter how much we all want to change American politics immediately, that is not realistic to believe. Ideally, I would love a Clinton Obama ticket.

I would like to see all of the Dems , Jo Biden Chris Dodd, Dennis Kucinich, Richardson be part of the new government. They all have incredible experience and ideas for our nation, which we need so desperately after the Bushies destroyed us in the eyes of the world.

Hillary Clinton would be a marvelous President, Barack Obama would be a marvelous President, John Edwards would be a marvelous President. We are blessed to have these people giving their lives to service. I hate reading all the negative stuff that the press reports on ...we are in a crisis like no other in the nation.

George H. Whitaker   January 6th, 2008 11:18 am ET

During the sunday morning CNN-Headline News broadcast, the female newscaster's lead-in for the story was something like " It appears Former Senator John Edwards and Senator Barrack Obama are teaming up to attack Senator Hillary Clinton...." The newscaster and CNN know that what Edwards and Obama did was to defend the attack which was levied against them by Clinton. Everyone who watched the debate saw and heard Clinton initiate the attack. If Clinton is your "darling" candidate, and it appears she is, then why don't you just be honest with those of us who look to you for honest reporting and announce CNN is supporting Clinton?

andrew k, RI   January 6th, 2008 11:15 am ET

gee... lets see here...
flip flop . havent we heard that from the republican playbook... nice one hillary. the fact that hillary doesn;t see herself as the status quo is just funny to me. you can't stand on a stage giving a speech with bill clinton and madeline albright behind you and say your the change candidate. people are not that foolish

if you want to establish yourself as the voice for change then dont pull out the republican lingo and remind eveyone of the past...

GO OBAMA

if you are really sold by the 35 years of experience sound bite and the "ready for change" speech from hillary's camp then you just might be the same audience fooled by the bush administration all these years... anybody but bush/clinton/bush/clinton . please don;t fall for it again .

Steven in Charleston, SC   January 6th, 2008 11:14 am ET

I agree with R Wall in that I generally don't place much stock in "flip-flopping" charges. The political playing field can be complex, and people can change their mind, and both of those things can cause a person to feel the need to change their position for a particular vote.

However, as much as I like and respect Senator Obama, I am at a loss to understand HOW he can vote FOR the Patriot Act, and FOR funding of the Iraqi War, and still claim to be an agent of change. For that reason, I am glad Senator Clinton is bringing his votes in these matters to light. They are fair questions, even if they are being brought up for political purposes.

Emily, Alberta   January 6th, 2008 11:12 am ET

Edwards came across like a big bully. Obama just pouted throughout the debate and let Edwards do his dirty work for him. Together they acted either childish or in Edwards case very phony. The boys club was out for blood.

Ms. Clinton fought back with substance and...yes...experience! Something neither of the other two candidates have. And she is absolutely right! Words are nice and inspiring but that's all they are.

C.K.A. Lufkin, Texas   January 6th, 2008 11:12 am ET

I agree with R. Walls above posting, where does this 32 years of "experience" that Hillary is touting coming from?? Most voters are not dumb and are asking themselves the same question and see it for what it is. I am a die hard Democrat and would love nothing more than to help elected the first woman president. However, every word that comes out of Hillary's mouth seems so divisive to me. I'm so sick of our country being so divided, I want someone who naturally has what it takes to unite. Hillary is nothing more than a divisive Washington politico like Bush.

The other thing is that the more Hillary touts her "experience" over the other candidates, the more it hurts her. I believe the voters no longer want someone who is a Washington insider or someone who HAD the chance to make a change but did not. The more she talks about Obama's "inexperience", the more she helps him because its time for someone new to go in and try to turn this country around. Again, Hillary had her chance and her "experience" contributed to our nation's overall problems. Hillary's strategists are completely out of touch or else she is refusing to listen to them. Not a good sign for someone who wants to run the country.

J. Brown   January 6th, 2008 10:56 am ET

I hear Obama talking alot about change, we need change, its time for change but I have yet to hear how he excpects to implement change, what is he going to change? How will he change it? Great catch line no substance. Where's the beef?

C. Renner   January 6th, 2008 10:55 am ET

Judging by Juan's spectacular use of the English language, it's scary who is actually allowed to vote. Congrats Hillary for attracting one of the many idiots in our country. As far as elections not having a likeability factor R. Wall, you couldn't be further from the truth. I guess Political Science was not your best subject. Welcome back from dreamland Hillary. Always a bridesmaid, never a bride.

Non US   January 6th, 2008 10:49 am ET

I love American peoples not to see the person who is candidate, but what the have in mind for every one and for the country when he or her will be president! that include: New Ideas, challenge, bout lowed class peoples, security and start by having peace inside the country before go outside looking for peace or security.

got Experience doesnt mean u are a wise person, got money doesnt garranty wealthy live and New Ideas & Hope is the future of the country even without "experience"

Good luck to ye guys and be wise to choose.

Aidan   January 6th, 2008 10:48 am ET

Good for Clinton! It's about time people started calling Obama on his hypocrisy. To me, it's not so much about the "flip flop," but about the fact that he's going after others for changing their opinions when he has done precisely the same thing. When he ran for Senate, so sure he was something different, and decrying all the terrible, horrible votes the Ds were taking (Patriot Act, War funding), he failed to recognize that many times those votes come at the end of extended negotiating processes and even if the vote at the end stays the same, sometimes major progress is made in that negotiating process and in the underlying bill that makes a yea vote a good vote. By casting those yea votes in favor of the Patriot Act and War funding, Obama has demonstrated that on one level he has learned how progress is made within the established process–not by screaming for immediate change from the cheap seats, but from working within the system that is available to systematically advance an agenda that can get past a Senate with a 1 vote majority. Both Clinton and Edwards know that this is how progress is made–Obama needs to stop attacking both of them for working within the same system he is. Edwards is the only one that seems to understand both–he knows how compromise has to be made within the Senate between colleagues, but understands that the big corporate interests need to be jettisoned in order to make significant progress–at least there is a plan behind his message of change. I see very little substance to Obama, and the substance he has has been directly lifted from other candidates–like Edwards.

In the end, though, if the D's nominate Obama, I predict that it will not be his hypocrisy or lack of substance that gets him, but that while he bandies about this high flying message of change, he shows no willingness to make the difficult decisions that lead to change when they arise. Take, for instance, the vote on Iran in the Senate. Obama railed against Clinton for her vote in favor, but what went largely unreported is that Obama skipped the vote. Besides the hypocrisy of attacking Clinton while not having the guts to cast his own vote, Obama and the Iran vote was troubling because it was later revealed to be a part of a long time political strategy–even during his time in the Illinois Legislature, Obama has skipped some of the most controversial votes, apparently to avoid taking a stand or creating a record. I can see the ad now...the country is under attack and Obama has to decide whether to strike back immediately, but instead opts to go grab a latte. The R's will have a field day with this. Leadership–the Presidency–is entirely about making the tough decisions. How can we elect a candidate whose strategy is to shirk those decisions?

I actually find myself at times getting caught up in the Obama fever despite all of this because his run is so historical and he is such a compelling orator, but the D's must win this election and this guy, as powerful and seemingly slick as he is, has many, many rough edges. The D's had better vet him very well, not crown him the nominee after just two primary contests. Let's truly extend this nomination process thru Super Tuesday and find out which one of these top three has what it takes to win the White House.

Theo, Manorville, NY   January 6th, 2008 10:42 am ET

...But elections are not popularity contests based upon who's likeable. We did that with Bush and elected this nation's worse president in a hundred years."

To R. Wall: No, we did that back in 1992 and 1996

Tom Wittmann   January 6th, 2008 10:39 am ET

i repeat here my comments filed ubder Mr. Bernstein's article, as it seems I did it to late yesterday evening:

wonder Bernstein has not addressed seemingly the more than a rumor that Hillary would nominate Bill to the Supreme Court. Aside that I do not see any qualification of Bill to fulfill such a post and that to include such a pure political figure in the court would divest it from its party-blind character, a terrible thing, is this not an extreme of nepotism ??

Aside to this consideration, where is the big experience of Hillary ?? 7 years in the
Senate and being the wife of Bill ?? Even if I realize that this is an exageration, if we admit such criteria, as I am an engineer and my certainly intelligent (house-) wife is living 20 years with me, so she could present herself at Boeing and claim the leadership of their engineering Dptm.,

This said, if Obama is the answer for the US is not a given: changes can only be implemented by experienced persons, a combination of innovaton and experience
is what is needed, difficult to find, but certainly possible !

AND, Mr, MARKO DEZDRI !!!

Do you really think that a person with the qualification and past of Hillary
can be compared with Jefferson, Lincoln or FDR ??

A high dose of fantism is needed to say so !!

Anthony   January 6th, 2008 10:37 am ET

Hillary needs to stop accusing others of flip-flopping when she has flip-flopped her positions for political gain. Hillary, it's time for you to grow up and realize that Barack is the next president of the U.S.A.

jewel minneapolis mn   January 6th, 2008 10:35 am ET

DITTO to R .Wall

David Burdett   January 6th, 2008 10:15 am ET

I would actually like to correct the person above and remind them that Jimmy Carter was the worst president in the history of this great country. Maybe you were not alive then but we had a retrograde islamist let back into Iran thanks to Carter's stupidity. Moreover, he was an embarrassment because he allowed for those retrogrades in Iran (that you left wing morons love) hold our hostages for more than a year. Carter destroyed Iran and almost destroyed America. We won the war in Iraq despite the liberals trying like hell to help the terrorist.

Mike Allen   January 6th, 2008 10:13 am ET

Blogger Juan says that Obama should settle for vice president. Why? First of all the Democrats pay lip service to civil rights but they never put African Americans in top posts and no way would Hillary chose Obama for VP. Second, Obama is kicking Hillary's butt. Let hillary be VP.

mike, dallas, TX   January 6th, 2008 10:12 am ET

CNN never ceases to put the spin for Hillary. What a title? Clinton portraying Obama as a flip flopper? Does that title really capture the highlight of last night's debate?

How about:

Clinton shows anger and frustration

Clinton loses the opportunity to gain a much needed traction

While:

Obama stays above the fray.....cool and easy

Ed,Ellenville,New York   January 6th, 2008 10:11 am ET

It's really a stretch to invent some "rift" in the democrats. It was a unified group for americans last night among democrats,while the republicans were anti-everybody in their usual hate-mongering. The real story today ,as americans in the temperate zones cope with high heating costs, is the response by the moron Thompson to oil companies and a windfall profit tax. That was a stunning gaff that seems to have eluded the media.

Marge Hibbing Mn   January 6th, 2008 10:09 am ET

He is worst than a flip flopper. He is pulling the exact type of campaign bush pulled in this 2004 run. Obama calls Hillary out on voting for the war in Iraq. She has answered this zillions of times. People accepted the fact that Edwards said he wouldn't vote for it after he knew the facts. Hillary said the same thing. But Obama likes to sneak in this to Hillary all the time. While he told a Chicago Trib reporter in an exclusive interview that he believed bush when he said Iran had nuclear weapons and he would not hestitate to bomb Iran and send in missiles. Hillary hasn't slammed him with this. But he slams her with his underhanded cut at the Iraq vote. He says that Hillary had plans to run for president after Bill left office...Well before he was handed the senate seat in 2004, he had made plans to run for president, if he did get the seat. Then after he won. He has gathered together a full fledged committee to help him run. Now there is absolutely nothing wrong with a person wanting to run for president. But why lie about one person and then being underhanded, again, about wanting to do the same thing yourself. It looks better to slam Hillary I guess. After all she has had to put up with it from republicans, and everybody, now including Obama.

He took money from a gangster in Illinois and then said he is sorry. He took a 300,000 cut in the cost of his 1M+ dollar home in Illinois then when asked he is sorry. But he was the first to slam Hillary when a fund raiser for her turned out to be less than honorable. HILLARY GAVE BACK THE MONEY CONTRIBUTED AT THE FUND RAISER. Obama still has his million dollar home with its discount and he never returned one cent to the gangster.

Obama say Ted Kennedy is too old and should quit. Where would Obama be today if Ted Kennedy had quit years ago. Ted Kennedy one of the very frontrunners in the fight for Civil Rights. The Civil Rights Bills he helped get passed that lets Obama stand in front of a bunch of kids who don't know their butt from a hole in the ground and jump and yell for their American Idol candidate.

Obama says that Al Gore and John Kerry divided this country. Well if things were as they should be Al Gore and John Kerry should have been the president.

He wouldn't vote for more health benefits for veterans, he won't vote for more vacation time for military between deployments, he won't vote to let senior citizens re-negotate for lower prescription prices. He did go along with Joe Liberman and vote for a stupid statute for some republican in a southern state.

Obama SAYS he is for change. Well if this is the type of change he wants I pray to God every day it does not come about. IF and this a big darn IF this person ever becomes the candidate this country will see a divide more than bush, reagan and any of the republicans ever had.

Mike Allen   January 6th, 2008 10:07 am ET

Obama should save his breath calling Hillary a flip floper. Everyone already knows that. There are so many negatives about Hillary that one hardly knows where to begin.

John Smith,N.H.   January 6th, 2008 10:06 am ET

TO R. WALL, CHANGE ITSELF HAS REALLY MEANING IF IT NOT PUT IN CONTEST. REEL CHANGE FROM MAKING DECISIONS OR TAKING ACTIONS. SO CHANGE DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING IF IT IS PUT IN CONTEST. TO EVALUATE WHAT KING OF CHANGE SOMEBODY CAN BRING WE NEED TO LOOK HARD ON ONE HISTORY OF TAKING ACTION . THEN EXPERIENCE COME IN. HILLARY HAS BEEN TESTED. OBAMA WAS NOT. WHEN YOU CARFULLY LISTEN TO THE MAN TALKING ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY AND NATIONAL SECURITY WILL UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE THINK THIS MAN IS NOT VIABLE. NOT LIKABILITY, THIS IS THE RIGHT WING MACHINE POSITION. THEY USED THEIR MADIA TO INJECT SOME STUPIDITY IN PEOPLE MIND. AND I THINK IT WORKS. THEY WANT TO RUN AGAINST OBAMA THEN EAT HIN ALIVE. HILLARY HAS BEEN ATTACKED FOR OVER 16 YEARS. I THINK SHE IS A VERY LIKEABLE PERSON. AND I THINK AT THE END SHE WILL PREVAIL.

Bill Flack   January 6th, 2008 10:05 am ET

Let's get real. None of these candidates are about "change." How does Obama's foreign policy differ significantly from Bush's? They are both about "what we say goes," as Chomsky puts it.

Mike, Houston, TX   January 6th, 2008 10:05 am ET

Hillary doesn't flip flop because she has no position on anything.

Liam   January 6th, 2008 10:04 am ET

Hillary also said that she has been changing things for 35 years. Just what did she change in Arkansas, while she worked as a corporate lawyer? She sure did not change anything when she was in th White House for eight years. The one big challenge that she tackled, she failed miserably on, and set back the reform of Health Care by at least two decades.

Hillary gets a lot of her big donations from powerful Washington lobbyists, so she is not about to attempt an major changes in how things are currently done.

susintx   January 6th, 2008 10:03 am ET

Me thinks the lady is running nervous...good. "Experience", look where it's gotten us. I'd rather try something new than keep going with "Experience", in either party.

RDA   January 6th, 2008 9:57 am ET

I had been following the Presidential campaigns and has been undecided on who to vote for. I could not help observe at how the media plays a pivotal role in this and it is to my disappointment that there is a lot of biased reporting. Much of the news coverage is reported at the reporter's perception and thus results to a good deal of sensationalism and almost. gossip. FOX News spearheaded this and MSNBC is folowing in its footsteps. I have switched to CNN, ABC and CBS but I am beginning to see this in the networks. Take this report: Hillary is characterized as Obama being a "flpflopper" and then Obama "fires back". Instead of saying simply what she stated and that Obama replied acordingly. This is a very important election and there is a measure of responsibility on how each of us conducts our business.

Carl   January 6th, 2008 9:56 am ET

Obama's response to Clinton's desperate flip flopping charge was clear, succinct and should be considered textbook for dealing with baseless attacks.

>>>Obama: I have no problem, Hillary, with you pointing out areas where you think we have differences. But on health care, for example, the reason that I mandate for children is because children do not have a choice; adults do. And it's my belief that they will choose to have health care, if it is affordable.

Now, that's a perfectly legitimate policy difference for us to have. And that is different from saying that I will refuse to cover or leave out a bunch of individuals.

And the last point I just want to make on this, Charlie, is, you know, these are all good public servants. And everybody has great qualifications and has done good things.

But what I think is important that we don't do is to try to distort each other's records as election day approaches here in New Hampshire. Because what I think the people of America are looking for are folks who are going to be straight about the issues and are going to be interested in solving problems and bringing people together.
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If she wants a substantive debate – great. I would love to hear it but I am tired of distortions and the politics of fear.

What came across load and clear tonight is that Hillary does not really believe "Major" change is possible. This is sad. I respect Hillary but I think her own failures and frustrations have forced her the lower the bar so low that she is no longer the person she was in 92 or 96.

She reminds me of a manager that has been at a company too long and no longer can get any traction and is frustrated. Sometimes you just need new blood to shake things up. Corporations understand this, heck even professional sports teams recognize it.

Obama is new blood.

Carl

Tetyana   January 6th, 2008 9:55 am ET

The irony here is that Sen. Clinton is the flip-flopper.

In Iowa, she tried to control public and media access to her, and she answered an undetermined number of planted questions in town hall meetings.

In New Hampshire, she has shifted to an open style of campaigning with an insatiable appetite for questions.

So who is she? What is she? Voters don't need to ponder this too long. Inspirational leadership and possibly a national movement is emerging. Her time and style has definitely passed.

agnes russell   January 6th, 2008 9:54 am ET

I think Hillary was right on. Both obama and edwards looked like tipical blowhard politicians,always making promises and you can be sure they will never follow thru. They really had nothing to lean on, meaning they had nothing to show as proof they've done nothing to make them look authentic.

J   January 6th, 2008 9:53 am ET

Obama and Clinton are both junior senators with a lifelong career in politics only one was elected to his positions and one was married the someone who was elected. Clinton can only claim that she can lead from day one or that she has more experience if in fact she was running her husband's white house. Since she will not research her records to the national archives about what policy decisions she was apart of as first lady I have to wonder if she even has the same political experience of any of the candidates let alone more. Unless this is Bill Clinton's defacto third term she is in the same position as Obama and frankly since he has had the experience of being elected to office much more than her I think its time Mrs. Clinton stop calling the kettle black.

Roy   January 6th, 2008 9:53 am ET

Right, look at "jumped the shark in New Hampshire" Hillary's war votes.

V. McGuire   January 6th, 2008 9:53 am ET

I believe that President Clinton was truly a very good president. The country was in a much better position thanks to his 8 years as our leader, despite his enemies relentless efforts to bring his sexual escapades into the limelight (which really was none of the public's business). I am certain that Hillary would agree with this. However, when she speaks of experience, I have to stop and think, "how much foreign experience did Bill have when entering the White House? How much prior experience did he have in Washington?" Yet, he proved to be a great president. Hillary never mentioned his lack of experience when she was campaigning for him in the 90's. A good president surrounds himself with a very good and experienced cabinet and it is this cabinet that supplies him/her with good, sound advice. Mr. Obama speaks from his heart and his desire to bring this nation back to a place where it has not been in many years, that being a place that other countries respected and one that tries its utmost to do what is best for the US.

Vic Novosad, Sugar Land, TX   January 6th, 2008 9:47 am ET

Wow! I thought before Hillary Clinton's statement that Obama was a "flip-flopper" that he could walk on water. Turns out he's just another run-of-the-mill politician who will promise anything to get elected.

Tony, Mount Vernon, NY   January 6th, 2008 9:42 am ET

But why hasn't the press investigated Obama's record further? I want to know more about this guy. It's a dis-service to the American people that the media would rather focus on polls and nicely written speeches instead of the facts.

Why didn't we know before this that the guy who hates special interests employees a lobbyist? Why isn't more made of the fact that he says he was against the war but voted to fund it? What is his stance on the Patriot Act? Where does he stand on health care?

We've been misled by one President who went into office saying he'd unite us, we can't make that mistake again.

Jon B   January 6th, 2008 9:41 am ET

Good job CNN for using a picture trying to paint Obama as a pervert *rolls eyes* Clinton News Network is right though.

Hillary is just using desperation. 35 years of what? As said above, she's only been a senator for a few. Being a first lady doesn't grant you special powers to make change. I believe your hubby Bill was the one signing the papers. Unless you had him whipped.

Olu Ojo   January 6th, 2008 9:36 am ET

Comments such as this actually show the weakness of people like Hilary. Please tell me what is wrong with changing my mind if on an issue if my concerns have been taken into consideration and the final product to a very large extent addresses American National Interest? It is this type of always right and cow boy approach to governance that has devastatingly destroyed America's influence worldwide and if not CHANGED threatens the stability/growth of its economy.
By the way CNN please ensure that the sub-title acurately reflects the content or else you will be guilty of subtraneously and unfairly aiding your preferred candidate in this election.

Kevin, Landover, MD   January 6th, 2008 9:34 am ET

To R.Wall,

Good observation and I agree with most of it. But it is not just that Voters LIKE Obama much more then Hillary. But Voters also TRUST Obama much more then Hillary.

Voters have to TRUST that their President will do what is in the best interest of the Voters and the United States of America. NOT what’s best for that particular candidates career goals. Which is what Hillary displays.

Joe in Vermont   January 6th, 2008 9:32 am ET

Juan Tello, goodbye. Take off the caps key, stop shouting and get a proof reader. Why would Obama team up with a loser and ruin his reputation. No, it's not over by a long shot, but it's interesting to see Clinton's "die hards" going into self-denail. She may still pull this off, but the GOP will send her back to the Senate in the fall.

nadeem   January 6th, 2008 9:29 am ET

Hillary lost that one big time, when it became obvious like Bill's charge against Obama re the war was out of context, as was Hillary comment on Obama.

She took an Obama quote of "If i were buinding a heathcare system from scratch i would make it single payer" totally out of context and she knows better.
He later on said the current system cannot oerate that way and we need to work with insurance to cover all americans.

Hillary is looking small, angry, desperate and petty for distorting facts like that.

If Obama was a small as Hillary he could have gone after her failed healthcare scheme in the 90s when ems had majorities in congress, sentate and WH and she could not get it done!

Nando   January 6th, 2008 9:26 am ET

Last night you saw exactly what kind of leader Hillary Clinton would be, Total MELTDOWN, I thought she was going to pull a BRITNEY SPEARS, SHE WAS ACTING like at 16yr old that did not get her way. Barak was calm and Cool LIKE A PRESIDENT HAS to BE!!!!. SHE is done in NH , THANK GOD NH people see the truth, I choose HOPE over HILLARY any day.

Duncan, Richmond, VA   January 6th, 2008 9:26 am ET

Did Clinton really say that non of the Republicans are against the war? She obviously not been briefed on the fact that Ron Paul is the only candidate who voted against the war in the first place and wants to end it the first day he is in office and not 12-24 months later.

James L.   January 6th, 2008 9:24 am ET

HMMMM. Glad to see that I'm not the only person wondering where "30+ years" of decision making experience Hillary has been harping on comes from.

MAH   January 6th, 2008 9:20 am ET

Hillary is not the agent for change, nor will she ever be. Folks, realize that, she is the agent for the special interest groups and lobbyists...

Human   January 6th, 2008 9:14 am ET

The most viable Republican Candidate remains Hillary Clinton. America just can't afford to extend the Bush/Clinton Dynasty to 28 years. Peace.

Lisa   January 6th, 2008 9:10 am ET

Despite Hillary continue talk about the 35 years of making change – I fail to recall her list of accomplishments. 35 years is a long time to do something, and it seems that if she really was someone who accomplished things that it would be right on all of our minds. Unfortunately, the only things that come to mind is all her baggage. I'm not saying that she deserves all that she got, but she is not the kind of person who can bring all sides to the table to talk things over reasonably. She is way too polarizing, and that makes things get stuck. Too much hard work is wasted because of stalling in Washington. We need a person who can get people working together.

d. bush   January 6th, 2008 9:09 am ET

It looks like ole Hill is running scared....we have 2 young adults who are college age....it appears in conversation with them Obama is the man for this new generation....they want something fresh and NEW......a chance for real change in american politics......my wonder for Ms. Clinton is "IF" you were to get to be president of the United States of America how could you do business in the Oval office knowing that is where your husband was having sex with an intern...under the desk which you would be doing your daily business....and when you are out of town/the country without ole Bill, will he have his interns staying over in the Lincoln bedroom???........many American women wonder if your husband would be a distraction.....I say lets move forward with A CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!.....go OBAMA!!!!......I wish we could all vote today!!!

Kevin Topeka, KS   January 6th, 2008 9:08 am ET

Love the picture. Is Barack polishing Hillary's shoes, while she looks to the future?

Susan   January 6th, 2008 9:07 am ET

What an awful photograph. You couldn't do better than that?

Obama has no record compared to Hillary's experience. NO comparison. She was right at the debate – words are not the same as action. Stop the naive Obama trend – for the betterment of the country – elect a leader with depth and experience.

IJ, Edmonton, Alberta   January 6th, 2008 9:06 am ET

All this categorizaton of candidates should be on their actions not words. Bringing about change is not going to be an easy task and therefore the more experienced and tested candidates like Hillary and Bill Richardson are nore positioned to effect change. This is especially so knowing that the times we are in.....jihadist, terror, the R-word on the economy etc.
I very much admire Obama and think he will make a fine president with little more experience from being a vice president of either Hillary or Richardson. Obama has got all it takes to be a fine preseident but experience. I strongly suggest that whoever wins the nomination should pick Obama as VP.

May   January 6th, 2008 9:04 am ET

I would like to ask Obama, now that he is hot on changing America, if what changes will he do to 90% blacks who controls welfare and the drug retail on the streets. I beleive the general population is dying to get a straight answer from him. The blacks are voting for him, and he never touched these subjects. I can understand that all the anglo candidates will not open their mouths when it comes to resolving these issues, for fear of landing in court accused of racism. But Obama is a brother whether he likes it or not, and the brothers have shifted their votes to him. If Obama wins the Democratic nomination, the Republican candidate will win, because I am voting Republican, this time. A Republican candidate is better than a theatric song and dance number, EMPTY!

William   January 6th, 2008 9:04 am ET

Obama and Osama will change the face of America in the 21st century. Obama will be the first interracial and interfaith president of America. He wil bring peace in the Middle East which no president could acheive. He can aceive it because he knows their hearts, minds and ideology. Go Obama 2008

Kevin, Landover, MD   January 6th, 2008 9:04 am ET

If Hillary had Any instance where Obama Flip Flopped. Hillary would have had that in a TV Ad a LONG time ago! At this point in the game it is too late for Hillary to play that card on Obama 3 days before New Hampshire and 2 days after a decisive defeat of Hillary by Obama in Iowa.

Hillary should have been playing that card when she had the chance. Which is for the last 10 months that she was smiling, giving the Princess wave, cackling, parsing on answers and positions etc..

It’s OVER for Hillary I bet she does not go out gracefully with dignity.

Glenn,B'ham,Al   January 6th, 2008 9:01 am ET

The Clinton's are out of the southern Wallace camp. Say anything to anybody at anytime to get a vote. It got George Wallace elected four times as Governor or Ala. & his wife once. I lived it & watched it. Its amazing how well it works. Hillary has not stand on any subject other than will it help me get elected. I might not agree on everything that Obama says, but he seems to stick to his guns & actually stand for something. Thats enough to get my vote against the likes of Hillary.

Bein Careful   January 6th, 2008 8:58 am ET

It won't be long before Hillary is gone from the scene along with her hick husband.
I wonder if he realized what he looked like standing behind her while she gave her "I am Soooooooooooooo ready to lead" comment after the Iowa caucuses.
He looked like the proverbial toots on a bull. They are both making fools out of themselves and it seems like just desserts.

Helen   January 6th, 2008 8:55 am ET

I think Hillary did great in the debate last night,this popularity contest has been over played i thought it was about electing a president.Just look at the mess we're in now,John Edwards came off like a suck up,He was a senator here in NC he did'nt do a good job at that.I think they should have to at least serve out one term when elected.WANT CHANGE ELECT A WOMAN

B, Atlanta   January 6th, 2008 8:54 am ET

John Edwards was the looser in this debate. He is already running for VP position for Obama. Taking pot shots at HRC. He has no issues that he can talk on. Obama is a Flip-flopper, that is a known aspect, but the question is people are not concerned about it and are likely to vote for him.
Obama's Flip-Flop Moments
1. Against the war, but voted to fund the war.
2. Patriot act voting.
3. Voting for Cheney Energy bill.
4. Now going left on Health Care proposal.
5. Taking pot-shots at HRC on Kyle-Lieberman bill when he sponsored the same kind of bill before.

I can go on and on. He is not the right candidate. Vote somebody who can win. that is HRC

Pauline   January 6th, 2008 8:50 am ET

Barack is just a smooth talker. He never says how he plans to make change. He knows that we need it but never digs in deep enough. He does not have enough experience to run the country. We need someone with a proven record. Hillary has been there for the public and is thinking of all level of society.

kyvoter   January 6th, 2008 8:47 am ET

Hillary will not be voted in as President of the U.S., maybe if she was from Pakistan or India or England, she would be elected. We are behind the times people. The U.S. is the one who treats women as second-class citizens, can't even pay women fairly. And we have the nerve to try and tell these other countries how to treat their citizens fairly especially women. I would vote for her but she has no hope. This is still a men's country with a few women stuck here and there to make it look equal. If she was running against the muppets, she still wouldn't win. What these people don't know is that if Obama runs against a Republican, we're going to have another George Bush in the White House. People are for Obama just to spite Hillary, but it's going to backfire. Just see.

Tim M   January 6th, 2008 8:46 am ET

She's so desperate now that her campaign is stumbling. Clinton claims to want to fight Republicans – but she took money from Rupert Murdoch. She claims to want to fight special interests – but she takes their money. She's flip-flopped on health care and now wants to mandate that we buy insurance. All that lobbyist money has paid off.

Chris, Orlando, FL   January 6th, 2008 8:44 am ET

No more of the "establishment".......they owe too much to lobbyists and will not support us.

With Clinton, McCain,Thompson and Edwards you can be sure that we'll get the same old nonsense.......we already from experience know that they have accomplished NOTHING.

Vote for someone that will try to serve (instead of pander to) us.

James, St. Louis, MO   January 6th, 2008 8:43 am ET

Uh, you forgot the part where Edwards responded, in Obama's defense. ""We [Edwards and Obama] have a fundamental difference about the way you bring about change. But both of us are powerful voices for change. And if I might add, we finished first and second in the Iowa caucus, I think in part as a result of that. Now, what I would say this: Any time you speak out powerfully for change, the forces of status quo attack. That's exactly what happens, ... I didn't hear these kinds of attacks when she was ahead."

And you also left out the part where Hillary looked flustered and angry that Edwards would come to Obama's defense.

Tariq talat   January 6th, 2008 8:39 am ET

Obama is NOT Electable!!!!!!!!!!! ANYONE GET IT? Is Bush leaving handing over the White House to a Republican president??????? Obama is not electable!!!!!!!! anyone get it????????

Helen, Boston, MA   January 6th, 2008 8:37 am ET

"We did that with Bush and elected this nation's "worse president" in a hundred years."

I, for one, am sick of hearing the Bush bashers spew this nonsense, which, BTW, was first coined by Hillary shortly before she decided to run for President. You may not like the man, but let the historians decide who is the worst President of the century. Let me remind you Truman had worse approval ratings than does Bush. Folks at the time were probably calling him the worst President ever too. Now, looking back, ole Harry has a pretty good legacy.

angie   January 6th, 2008 8:37 am ET

the only candidate who has not flip flopped on anything is ron paul

Mary Menchaca   January 6th, 2008 8:26 am ET

Obama and Edwards tag team together to attacked you. Have no fear us women are here. I am in your corner. You have my vote and my family too. Great job!!!!!

Lisa   January 6th, 2008 8:25 am ET

Hillary speaks like she is an ANGRY woman. With her statement of her doing the work for 35 years – she was talking like she believes she is entitled to the Presidency. Hillary talks down to people, just like she did in her Christmas ad, where she is packaging all of her gifts to give to us the citizens.

I like how Obama listens to people, and includes them. We have forgotten that the politicians work for us. The politicians forgot that many, many years ago. Obama will deliver our government back for the people, by the people. Go Obama!

Martin, Clarksville, Tn   January 6th, 2008 8:19 am ET

I saw the debate. Hillary lost. She tried to draw Edwards in against Obama. Instead Edwards nailed Hillary as the "status quo". The debate ended up being a two-on-two, Obama and Edwards vs. Hillary and Richardson. I think Obama/Edwards would make a great ticket for the democratic party.

Hopefully Hillry continues to drop in the polls until she drops from the race.

Anybody but Hillary in 2008.

Roy, Merrimack, NH   January 6th, 2008 8:16 am ET

This might as well read, "Hillary seeks to portray herself as DESPERATE."

Hillary keeps asserting that she's had 35 years of experience and that she's done so much in her career. But, apart from getting lots of earmarks for her state she has fewer accomplishments in her 8 years in the Senate than Obama has in 3.

The fact is that her husband's administration had many successes - but the successes were all in areas where Hillary was not involved. The most colossal failures of the Clinton administration were where Hillary was handed the job and failed to deliver.

She failed on health care, she failed to see the Iraq war was wrong, she perpetuates the Iraq mistake with votes to antagonize Iran...it truly is time for a change.

Justin Thornville Ohio   January 6th, 2008 8:07 am ET

Like the republicans would have a black candidate, to the first guy. They r the GOP, enough said. And people need to understand that this is HILARY CLINTON, not BILL CLINTON. What has she done that is so spectacular? Where are her interests. She has no propositions trying to change our corrupt national gov't. She doesn't have extensive plans to help our EARTH. I can't believe it's not obvious to people to vote for Obama.

Bill in Montgomery, AL   January 6th, 2008 8:06 am ET

Who flip-flops?? Everytime that Hillary checks a poll that shows an opinion different than hers, she immediately changes her position. Hillary is the "flip-flop" Queen. Okay, Hillary, time to drag out all the relatives and close friends to tell us what a kind, caring, considerate, wonderful, generous, loving, principled, etc., etc., person you really are. As I understand it, there was no real Mother Theresa, Mother Theresa was actually Hillary Clinton, who wanted to remain anonymous about her good deeds!

Wade - Hill Billys   January 6th, 2008 8:03 am ET

Hillary is looking a little desparate and trying to put the best face on it.

George W. Bush was voted into office because America wanted change after Bill Clinton was in.

Keith   January 6th, 2008 7:57 am ET

Well, the flip flop argument is one that I don't really find effective unless it's right out in front as it often was with John Kerry. But to make that claim based on a series of congressional votes vs. what a candidate might say now or said then is difficult for people to put their arms around and accept or understand. The bottom line is that a congressman (and Senators are congressmen too) doesn't always get to vote for what THEY would choose to have in front of them to vote up or down. This is one reason why legislators struggle in modern presidential politics, it's far too easy to point to a vote on a bill that doesn't completely capture the candidates views. I am finding it amazing that Hillary claims as experience all of her years as First Lady including her First Ladyship of Arkansas, which she is doing if she claims 35 years of experience. Thirty-five years goes all the way back to...1972. Well, she is certainly very smart and capable, and in fact has acted as co-governor and co-president, but, and this is a huge but, that wasn't official. At any rate, her campaign has made the huge mistake of simply thinking that they will call on their supporters to revive the 1990's, that if they will just elect her, time will be reversed and 2009 will be the equivalent of 1993, but even better because now there is even MORE experience, or something along those lines. That, on it's face is a rediculous concept.

Clinton 2008   January 6th, 2008 7:53 am ET

Clinton def WON the debate!! once again obama fumbled over his words, refused to answer the questions, kept trying to attck Clinton, but he couldnt get her, she in turn tore both edwards and obama. Obama was extremely uncomfortable and out of his church element. Its a true picture he cannot with stand the heat! he couldnt even keep up with Bill Richardson on issues, He is lost when you put him next to any other person running. Clinton stole the show! Outstanding performance. She is the only one that looked Presidential..Poor John Edwards, he finished... he appeared to try to be obamas best friend and then obama turned on him, ( ha-ha)he and obama were def out of their league. I thought even Richardson blew obama away. Notice Obama would not answer the questions given to him, He kept trying to preach, and its not working anymore. We are looking for a leader a PRESIDENTIAL leader and that was clearly Hillary Clinton. FINALLY showing that obama is nothing more than a new preacher without substance. Clinton sealed my vote. Obama and Edwards are too inexperienced and childish for such a job.

CLINTON 2008

Kevin Topeka, KS   January 6th, 2008 7:49 am ET

Barack Obama has been changing his position over the years on everything from the death penalty to the Patriot Act to Cuba, a review of his record shows.

The Illinois senator's views became markedly more conservative as he drew close to running for president.

On the death penalty, for instance, Obama was a strong foe back in 1996 when he ran for the Illinois state Senate, according to a questionnaire from a political activist group that he filled out at the time. The answers were reviewed by The Associated Press.

But this year, he's pandering to pro-execution voters around the country by saying he supports pulling the switch on those who commit particularly heinous crimes.

On gun control, Obama changed direction since 1996, when he called for a ban on all handgun possession and sales in Illinois.

In 2004, on another questionnaire, he backed off, saying a ban is "not politically practicable."

Taken together, the shifts could suggest a liberal, inexperienced lawmaker gradually adjusting to the realities of what could be accomplished, first in the Illinois Legislature and then in the US Senate.

On the other hand, political rivals could accuse him of abandoning potentially unpopular views or of trying to disguise his real positions. Many of the old views came from answers he gave to a list of questions submitted to him in 1996 by an Illinois good-government group known as the IVI-IPO.

Aides claim Obama did not fill out the questionnaire, and instead it was handled by a staffer who misrepresented his views on gun control, the death penalty and more.

"Barack Obama has a consistent record on the key issues facing our country," spokesman Ben LaBolt told the AP. "Even conservative columnists have said they'd scoured Obama's record for inconsistencies and found there were virtually none."

A spokesman for the Illinois group said the excuse is ridiculous because they interviewed him in person.

Some of the candidate's other changing views include a marked shift on health care, from supporting a single-payer, government-run health system, to opposing such a "socialized medicine" plan.

He also has changed many views in just the past few years.

He went from calling the anti-terrorism Patriot Act a "shoddy and dangerous" law to voting to continue an updated version of the law in 2006. He also said he would normalize relations with Cuba, but on the campaign trail has opposed such rapprochement with the Communist regime there.

In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate.

In the end, Mr. Obama chose neither to vote for nor against the bill. He voted “present,” effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senator.

Sometimes the “present’ votes were in line with instructions from Democratic leaders or because he objected to provisions in bills that he might otherwise support. At other times, Mr. Obama voted present on questions that had overwhelming bipartisan support. In at least a few cases, the issue was politically sensitive.

The record has become an issue on the presidential campaign trail, as Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, his chief rival for the Democratic nomination, has seized on the present votes he cast on a series of anti-abortion bills to portray Mr. Obama as a “talker” rather than a “doer.”

Although a present vote is not unusual in Illinois, Mr. Obama’s use of it is being raised as he tries to distinguish himself as a leader who will take on the tough issues, An examination of Illinois records shows at least 36 times when Mr. Obama was either the only state senator to vote present or was part of a group of six or fewer to vote that way. Among those, Mr. Obama did not vote yes or no on a bill that would allow certain victims of sexual crimes to petition judges to seal court records relating to their cases. He also voted present on a bill to impose stricter standards for evidence a judge is permitted to consider in imposing a criminal sentence. On the sex crime bill, Mr. Obama cast the lone present vote in a 58-to-0 vote. State Representative Jim Durkin, a Republican who was a co-sponsor of the bill, said it was intended to bring state law in line with a United States Supreme Court decision that nullified a practice of introducing new evidence to a judge in the sentencing phase of the trial, after a jury conviction on other charges. The bill sailed through both chambers. Out of 174 votes cast in the House and Senate, two were against and two were present, including Mr. Obama’s.
“I don’t understand why you would oppose it,” Mr. Durkin said. “But I am more confused by a present vote.” Mr. Obama was also the sole present vote on a bill that easily passed the Senate that would require teaching respect for others in schools. He also voted present on a measure to prohibit sex-related shops from opening near schools or places of worship. It passed the Senate.

Joseph DeSousa   January 6th, 2008 7:47 am ET

I definetly agree this is not a popularity contest. I for one would like to see what a woman can do to fix some of the problems facing our nation. I think of a number of women that had a huge impact in making things right like in Israel, England to start with. Personaly I agree with Hillary's comment last night. People talk about change and then get in the White House and become part of the problem.

Experience, willingness to work with members of congress and the judicial system, good advisors, gut instinct for doing the right thing has a place along with the ability to make change.

I would respect Mr. Obama if he spoke more about his roots (being black) , of course he may lose the red states..and what he has done that depicts change. I can think of Jimmy Carter (though a great man) screwed up our country for 4 years, and I can remember the gas lines.

I will be retiring in 15 years and I want a strong woman to go in the Wite House and kick some behinds and make a diference for our children. Since Elizabeth Dole is not running on the republican side I for one with vote HILLARY. Go Girl! Great show last night!!!

Dave B   January 6th, 2008 7:45 am ET

Bottom line, almost all of them look in the mirror daily and switch with the voter trends. That's all it's about. Say anything, do anything to get that vote. Politics is very sad these days.

Kate   January 6th, 2008 7:29 am ET

It seems that perhaps Mr Obama does not fully understand the comments of Mrs Clinton, nor did he deftly answer or defend his actions. He talks of Americans looking for soemone who is forthcoming and straight and intimates that he is – but then his actions certainly do speak differently.

What also puzzles me is a the comment he made in his victory speech in Iowa "....We will change America and then the world..." What does he mean by this? Has he not reslised that the world as in countries out of America are not interested, nor have a desire for American policies, interventions and rhetoric?

Save your energy and the white house for pertinent issues affecting American people Mr Obama – the dwindling dollar, the credit crisis which has eroded your country, the poverty line, your health care services for the poor etc, etc, etc

The world does not need you – Americans do!

Take a leave out of the current Presidents book – the world at large is not interested in American interference or American brand of politics.

Kate – Netherlands

Peter   January 6th, 2008 7:29 am ET

I found Mr. Obama’s performance last evening in the debates strangely hollow and lackluster. The Democrats better wake up to reality- A man with the middle name of Hussein has not a snow balls chance in July of being elected President a mere 7 years after September 11th.

The republicans are and will eat him alive. As a lifelong Democrat, it seems if Mr. Obama wins- I will sit out the election in November- I would never ever vote republican- Mr. Obama is just a great personality in an empty suit, and thus far has said little to make me believe he is qualified to lead this country

Precise   January 6th, 2008 7:11 am ET

I personally look at both of them as non decision makers. All talk no action. At this point I am not even sure if they know where they stand on issues. I have seen no action from Hillary as first lady, and Obama hasn't proven anything to me as of yet. And still I wait for the results of the caucuses and shake my head. So many folks are not looking at the "person" but what religion or non religion, promises they make, and even how they dress. We have to remember we as a country are afraid of change. We should go with anew but keep values. We are making decisions for our children. I believe this election will the a turn for this country and whoever goes into office will be there until we are forced to make another change.

sal lincoln nebraska   January 6th, 2008 7:10 am ET

We wont even fund 100 billion for a rocket ship to colonize the moon and mars...Yet we blow the hell out of other countrys on this planet for 10 times that cost....You know the sooner we leave this planet the sooner we can find aliens and then that means we can try and attack them and blow up their things...We need a new species of people to hate...The sooner we get into space is the sooner we can muder the rest of the universe....Wait maybe thats why where stuck here, because we all like to kill each other for no reason at all....And in the name of freedom and national status people who would never do the deed themselves back the politicans creating the policys back by the corporations that get us into war for their own personal profit....Maybe we dont deservve to leave this planet, i think we might be a burden and a terrorist group in the eyes of all the aliens out their....Were way too violent and proud of it

Jeff, Rathdrum ID   January 6th, 2008 7:10 am ET

I find it really funny that Clinton is talking about flip flopping, and that she is now the change canidate. She say's Obama changed his stance in three years, all of which is not true. But come on she changes her stance so many times. Take his nieve and in-experanced stance on Pakastane, I guess her and everyone else is Nieve and in-experanced, or could it be Obama was right. Clinton has changed her campaign slogain as many times as she has tried throwing false mud at him to see if it would stick. She changes her stances everytime she talks to a different crowd.
And then the Clinton supports say the press is picking on her, give me a break. Look at the spin on this debate, she blew her cool, and the headlines say it's two against one. She is the one that started throwing mud, Obama was nice enough to not slam her, he countered but didn't play her game, then edwards slammed her. And she blew up.
And her statement that words don't matter!!! Well in the 1st NH debate she said words do matter when she was trying to say Obama was nieve and in-experanced for the Pakastane question, that she seems to agree with now. Besides most of the things that makes America great started with words of HOPE, so I'm sick of people say we Americans shouldn't have Hope.
I liked Bill Clinton, he was good for the time he was President, and I started out thinking Hillary would be a good president, then switched to Obama because for the first time I had some Hope for this country, but now I will not vote for Hillary, now I understand totally the "anybody but Hillary" people!!!
I Have HOPE!!!!!!!!!!!

dan golden   January 6th, 2008 6:59 am ET

This article mentions nothing about Bill O'Reilly, not sure why the caption on the link from the main page does.

Festus   January 6th, 2008 6:59 am ET

Sen. Edwards said it all about Hillary Clinton; that when the Polls favored her, the world did not see this side of her, carrying out personal attackes on others, especially Obama; but now that she is beaten to the third position, that is exactly her stock in trade. Now tell me, who is the flip-flopper?

Festus   January 6th, 2008 6:44 am ET

Now between the Patriot Act and 911, which one has hurt America more?
Hillary Clinton claims to have the experience and was involved in almost all the issues that her husband dealt with while he was president for eight years: So, she was involved in the political ineptitudity that did not arrest Bin Laden or foresaw the danger that Al Qaeda posed then to the whole world. It is was this singular act of lack of foresight or vision that led to the creation of the Patriot Act that she now conveniently turns around to accuse Obama of flip flipping.
At least, it was her that voted for the Iraq war, not Obama...again, lack of vision and foresight on her part.
Also, it was the Clintons' lack of vision and foresight that led to the genocide in Rwanda and Congo that took almost 2 million lives; all the Clintons do now several years after the fact is to apologize to the Rwandan people for the Clintons' lack of foresight and vision. Now is this the kind of experince that we want for the White House? NO!
The flip flopper thing worked last time around against Kerry, but it won't work this time.

John   January 6th, 2008 6:38 am ET

Well, considering the fact that Hillary has been flip-flopping continoisily in the past 8 years, she just isn't credible. She is the Romney of the Dems: I have experience...uh....I also want Change...uh...and I am for the Iraq, no wait against the Iraq war.
Hillary has much less experience as she suggests and her speechs always ramble on with the "I can, I can I can"....
She says she doesn't play the"women" card,...yet she is the one rambling on about being the First women president!!
She does seem shallow and doesn't look very presidential honestly. (I was Hill supporter though before :) )

Let us turn the page of the 80s and 90s. Maybe we can finally put Clinton and Bush eras aside, maybe we can stop polarising our society even more, maybe it is time for someone who doesn't just talk for the republicans, maybe it isn't time for someone who speaks for the democrates, maybe it is time for someone who speaks for Americans, maybe it is time for Obama!!!

Harold Bishop, NH   January 6th, 2008 6:36 am ET

Q: What did Bill Clinton give his wife for Christmas?

A: A new pair of flip flops.

Elijah   January 6th, 2008 6:31 am ET

Hillary Clinton has been an advocate for Healthcare and Childrens' issues as First Lady of Arkansas and as First Lady of the United States. She has the unique experience to understand how government works on the local and national levels. She can take that experience and effectively run the country as President. She is one of the smartest political ieaders in this country today. We need someone with that mixture of experience and true leadership skills over the next 4 years.

Hillary Clinton may not be the candidate you would "want to get a beer with", but I know she will be working hard on issues important to this country.

Dewdrop   January 6th, 2008 6:15 am ET

Food for thought:
Why does Hillary want to go back to the White House again? Did she leave something there that she forgot to pack? Surely everyone in this country knows America is not ready for the "Clinton rewind". As far as I am concerned she needs to move on, it's over.

james   January 6th, 2008 6:08 am ET

Talk about the pot calling Obama black

Andy   January 6th, 2008 6:05 am ET

Yeah, we get it, you guys love Clinton.

R. Wall   January 6th, 2008 5:35 am ET

I for one am tired of the "flip-flop" argument. We are–or should be–reasonable people who recognize that we all change our minds on occasion when listening to counter arguments or considering additional evidence. Sometimes a "change-of-heart" is clearly strategic: it is prompted by circumstance and not by evidence. This does go to a person's decisiveness and integrity. For this reason, I admire John McCain on for the consistency of his Iraq position, while thinking it wrong. What puzzles me is why no one takes on Clinton for her consistent claim of "32 years of making decisions." About what? As whom? She's been a senator for a few years from a state she barely knew at the time of her election. Before that she was first spouse. Does this count as "presidential"? I seriously doubt it. When it comes to experience, Richardson has it hands down on the democratic side. McCain on the Republican side. When it comes to "fresh change," Huckabee on the Republican side and Obama on the Democratic side have it hands down. As an liberal independent, I like the true "change-candidates" in this primary season. By the way, no one in my circle of Hillary admirers, including my wife, considers her "likeable." But elections are not popularity contests based upon who's likeable. We did that with Bush and elected this nation's worse president in a hundred years.

JUAN TELLO   January 6th, 2008 5:27 am ET

BARACK OMABA IS HAVING A NICE TIME WITH THE PRESS,
SPECIALLY O'REALLY
IS MAKING PROPAGAND OF HIM IN THE CHANEL 26 FOX?
DAY AND NIGHT..JA.JA
THE GOAL OF THE REPUBLICANS IS TO CREATE CONFLICT BETTWEN THE DEMOCRATS CANDIDATES,
BARACK OMABA SHOULD HAVE REAL SPECTATIONS,
TO HAVE THE OPORTUNITY TO BE A VICE-PRESIDENT
WIL BE FOR HIM A GREAT PRIZE.
35 YEARS OF HONEST POLITICAL LIFE EXPERIENCE,
IS VERY HARD TO DESTROY,
MRS HILLARY CLINTON DESERVE 100% TO BE OUR PRESIDENT...
I HOPE THAT DEMOCRATS REALIZE VERY SOON THAT MR BARACK
IS BEING USED BY THE REPUBLICANS JUST THE SAME
AS WITH THE EX-DEMOCRAT CONDOLESSA RICE......
SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE ?
WHERE IS SHE NOW?.....AMEN.

Kris   January 6th, 2008 5:11 am ET

It's true, Obama is very inspirational. But now, American doesn't just need inspiration, we also need perspiration.

Hillary's been perspiring all her life to solve our nation's problems.

Marsha, Portland, OR   January 6th, 2008 5:01 am ET

Obama says, "I think the people of America are looking for are folks who are going to be straight about the issues"

Um...exactly, I'm looking for someone that's going to be "straight" on the issues. Not flip flop on them. Some have suggested that Clinton was just on the defensive when she said this, but I just read an article last night suggesting that Obama was a flip-flopper too before this was even mentioned in the debate(http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid51308.asp).
It's too bad that the media hasn't talked more about this and glorified him less.

I'm also tired of all this "change" rhetoric. Two things I am sick and tired of hearing come out of Obama's mouth: "Change" and "Iraq."

And Edwards – C'mon was that a obvious bid for Obama's vice president spot or what? And now he's using everyone elses slogan. He didn't say anything about the working man or lower class tonight. All he talked about was "change" and the "middle class." Last I checked, it was Hillary that wanted to rebuild the Middle Class.

This Middle Class will stick with Hillary. If "change" is what is important to everyone else that is voting, then they need to be a little smarter and see who has made change...because that is what makes people capable of continuing to make change. Not rhetoric.

Moe, NY   January 6th, 2008 4:46 am ET

I agree with Hillary, Obama is, in my opinion, the king of flip-flop. Obama, who I am sure is a good man, needs another season in the school of hard knocks. Obama hardly ever votes on issues, perhaps he does not want us to see the way he actually swings! I just do not trust the Obama talk...I just keep thinking that if a deal/bargain is too good to be true....then it is a scam. Am I jaded after all these years of corrupt/non-caring politicans?....you bet I am! I am looking for a leader for America who actually cares about American citizens and America's problems...which, at this point in time, are many. We, as Americans, need a President who will invest in America and stop sending our money out of this country. Can Hillary do this? I believe so. (If she does away with the Lobbyists/Corporate America corruption). Can Obama do this? I, unfortunately, do not think so....he will be, just like Bush, taking the advice of self-serving cabinet members. Edwards?....he certainly has the potential to do the job and, perhaps, get it done in favor of American citizens. As far as the Republican canidates go....not a one is Presidential material.....just about all of them are religious zealots, and the few (are there any?) who are not....are definitely not Presidential material. Will be a very interesting election! Just get out and VOTE.. never mind what the caucases (which should be banned...totally neanderthal mind set, as is the Electoral College), media, religions, etc. is throwing out there....think as an individual....and, vote that way. Just my...thought on politics....guess it is called Freedom of Speech...last I checked, Americans still had that freedom, but then again I haven't checked in a while.

Jr., California   January 6th, 2008 4:45 am ET

put your seat belts on folks, here she goes.

aware   January 6th, 2008 4:43 am ET

Way to go Hillary! Its time someone applied some serious scrutiny to Obama. It didn't help Obama to have Edwards defend him though. It didn't help Edwards either.

The boys, Obama and Edwards, were quite shallow in their foreign policy responses in this debate. Richardson and Hillary were much more substantive.

Delightful moments of humor came from Richardson and Hillary, and a peevish moment came from Obama with his "You're likable enough Hillary" comment. Usually his sarcasm/attack is less noticeable.

Hillary certainly got the most applause!

danjuma   January 6th, 2008 4:31 am ET

I say if African Americans are good enough to die for the country then they should be good enough to rule the country.

Tim, Minnesota   January 6th, 2008 4:27 am ET

Not one of the Democrats answered any of the questions! I take that back, Edwards made a remark about Hillary's clothes. It's time to keep it general i guess and not be specific ,and at the same time call for "change". Sick.

Andy, New York, New York   January 6th, 2008 4:17 am ET

Obama a flip-flopper? Pot is actually calling kettle black! It was Hillary who, on moving out the White House in 2002, chose to settle in New York, instead of returning to Arkansas, on the premise she was running for the senate seat being vacated by the now deceased Senator, Daniel Patrick Moynihan. She was not even a New Yorker!

When asked repeatedly whether this was a strategic move intended to position her for bigger political game, such as a White House run, she repeatedly denied, er, lied that she ever had such intention. In humble and caring words, she said she loves New York and New Yorkers and all she wanted was an opportunity to serve them as senator.

She won after Rudy Giuliani came down with prostrate cancer and pulled out of a race in which he was more popular and likely to win following his handling of 9-11!

When she ran again for senate last year, she denied that she had bigger political game in mind. And she convinced people, too! Then when Obama announed his candidacy last year, she flip-flopped and within a week, threw her hat in the ring. So much for her promise to New Yorkers!

In summary, Arkansas had no opening for senate; only New York, and so she USED New Yorke and New Yorkers. She never cared about us! We were just a means to an end for her personal goals, even though she already lived in the White House for 8 years! How much power can she be interested in sharing and controlling? This woman is up to no good for America!

Don Imus calls her Satan, but I call her the anti-Christ; half a dozen of one and six of the other!

Pedro, Las Vegas, NV   January 6th, 2008 4:16 am ET

Well, at least the post isn't entitled Obama a 'flip-flopper,' as one has come to expect from the Clinton News Network–worse, even, than Fox.

Aaron_Incongruity   January 6th, 2008 3:53 am ET

I'm sure anyone who watched the debate tonight can agree that this was not a good showing for Hillary. I would say Richarson is out of it, experienced as he may be. Edwards does fine, but simply still comes off as bitter, even if it is bitterness directed towards the Machine. It's safe to say that Obama is really the only one, as surprising as it is, who out of these four, sounded like an actual presidential contender. i'm impressed and encouraged by his competence and intelligence more and more, every time i see him.

Tlc   January 6th, 2008 3:49 am ET

Well, I'm not surprised that Hillary has started the mischaracterizations. It's just surprising she has done so about issues that anyone can easily fact check. One would have thought she would be more cunning than that.

In truth, Senator Obama has consistently said while he opposes the war he will not take funds from troop who need those funds. Nothing about that message has changed.

Personally I greatly respect a candidate who cares about the people who are defending his freedom more than the possible political ramifications his vote may later have.

James Tanaka   January 6th, 2008 3:40 am ET

This is rather late issue brought out by Hillary Clinton but it can be told. Straight about the issues is different from flip-flopping and this must be proven clearly.

The loss of Clinton in Iowa was the absence of her votes from the young people, the potent arm of rookie Senator and Presidential hopeful Obama. His skills in public speaking has produced positive effects from the awestricken young voters who would love to listen to good speakers rather than ask stand on issues of concern for the whole American people. Further, the strategists of Hillary were totally outclassed by Obama's staff and spinners. The latter knows who their targets are.

Other countries are watching how Americans behave in this election as they look up at USA as their big brother ready to protect them against dictators and evil forces out to destroy the valued system. Hands bloodstained from victims, these tyrants are also waiting to benefit from the mistake of the American people.

Joyce Allen   January 6th, 2008 3:38 am ET

Barack Obama wants the people of the U.S. to change. Fo example; in order to save this country we must change the way we think of energy and how it can be sustainable, to begin valuing ordinary people, to value life and not just the lives of Americans, but around the world. The world has changed. Old methods are no longer sustainable. In order for peolple to change, they must be motivated and Mr. Obama, motivates people. As petty as it seems, the bottom line is most people do not want to do anything Clinton says because we do not like her and are sick of her and her husband.

John Smith,N.H.   January 6th, 2008 3:32 am ET

ONCE AGAIN, HILLARY CLEARLY SHOWED THAT SHE IS BETTER CANDIDATE.SHE IS VERY SMART AND A STRONG LEADER ON EVRY SINGLE ISSUE. HUSSEIN BARACK OBAMA IS JUST A GOODE TALKER. AT THE END HILLARY WILL PREVAIL!

Kelly   January 6th, 2008 3:26 am ET

I should clarify that in my above post, I said it's not uncommon for Senators to miss votes. I am referring to missing days due to campaigning for the presidency. In Clinton's total career up to this point, she only missed ONE vote from the time she was originally elected until the start of 2007. Now, that's impressive. Very impressive. Like I said, Clinton will work tenfold harder than ANY of our choices for this election.

Clinton '08!!!

Lynn, Reno, NV   January 6th, 2008 3:16 am ET

Hillary lost her temper tonight. Perhaps she was tired. But I didn't like her little act about being so hurt about not being liked. That was a bit juvenile, the "coy" approach. It's what young girls do, not potential Presidents. I know she talks about herself as a girl a lot, but she is 60, after all. I don't think "coy" helps her. She should stop it. I don't think this was her best debate at all. The others were tired too, but they maintained their dignity.

Doug F   January 6th, 2008 3:16 am ET

This ticker entry is really un-newsworthy and poor. I watched the entire debate, both Republican and Democratic and reading this description does not give you the slightest inkling of what the debate was actually like. It would honestly be better had it not been posted at all... "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing", right? /

Jessica F   January 6th, 2008 3:12 am ET

I use support Obama, but deep down I think he really far behind on issue. He's been talking about change, hope but from my point of View it is not enough. yesterday I followed Ms clinton in her forum she was hreat and define was her campain is about, and what she intend to do. If Obama want to have my vote he has to address all of those issue.
There is danger about Obama, the media is backing him up because they just donot like Hillary, Media will be responsible for the chaotic government under obama administration.I will be glad to see a black man like me become president. Voting a blacm does not mean they are not minority. It is stupid to say let's vote for him eventhough he is not the best. I discove he is a great speaker giving a hope message by inviting oprah, I think there is a little bit bore Mr Obama.
So I am still undecided. But so far I am leaning toward Clinton if Obama can not bring anything new.
Remember Democrat in new Hampshire, Republicans want you to vote Obama. They know he is very vulnerable.
P.S:One question you should ask Why the conservative never attack Obama? Do you think he is an angel? I think not. They where they can bring him down. About Security? He has no plan whatsoever. So new hamshire once again wake up and smell the coffee. We want a fresh blood, but it is not what we really need. We need an adult like Macain, Clinton. But not Mi Hc or Obama. They can still contribute. Those who hate us would love to see Obama, Huc or Romney, we as american we are smarter thanthat. In the democratic side, if Obama can not give me anything to hold I would with Hillary because I loved her message this morning. In the Republican side I will go for Mcain.

Kelly   January 6th, 2008 3:05 am ET

Undecided folks, look at the facts.

Check out Obama’s voting record this past year. On votes that would have shown where he stands on issues, he didn't show up, or voted "present" (which means he voted neither yes or no).

On reproductive rights issues, he didn't show up or he voted "present".

He says he would have not voted for the Iraq war, but his voting supports funds to continue the war and fund Homeland Security, as Clinton pointed out in the debate today. Her “revelations” are true. It’s in the records of the Senate. Just look for yourselves.

2007 was the year he and Clinton started campaigning. It's not out of the ordinary for Senators to not make all the sessions and votes, but when one misses more than the other, you have to wonder why. Out of 215 bills, Clinton missed 76, while Obama missed 113. Even though Clinton was not there on some of the bill votes, she showed up and took stands on key votes that show where she stands.

And, if you remember, Obama had the audacity to criticize Clinton for one of those key votes. On 9/26/07, the bill "Expressing the Sense of Congress Regarding Iran and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps". She voted yes on declaring them a terrorist group, because the evidence supports that they are. Should she have voted “no” just to look good for her political career? No, she voted with her conscious. She voted the truth. Obama said he would have voted no. How convenient. When he could have SHOWN us and actually voted “no”, he decided not to show up, not to vote, and then to tell us what he would have done. Talk is cheap. It’s easy to say what you would have done. Just like it’s easy to say what you would have voted against the war had you been in the Senate. Yeah, sure you would have. I don’t believe it because of how you have been voting for appropriations, homeland security, et. al. in regards to the war and anything connected to it.

And why did he vote to keep giving tax breaks to big oil companies?? Clinton voted NO for the record. Just look it up. It’s easy to find. It’s one of the very few votes that Obama and Clinton differ in. That’s right, when Obama has voted, he votes the same as Clinton with few exceptions, one being the continuation of tax breaks to big oil: Clinton: NO, Obama: YES. What purpose do you have, Obama, to want to keep allowing big oil to have tax breaks???

Obama = Talk, Cheerleading, Hype, No actual action to back his talk, FLUFF. NO SUBSTANCE. Fence sitter (for now… I’m sure when he gets elected, he’s going to jump off the fence, and we might not like the direction he jumps).

Tell the people what you actually mean by change Obama. Tell us what you have done to show us what you mean by “change” and stop using that word like a political football to get cheers.

Clinton = Action, follow-through, Hard work, the real change agent with the track record to prove it. Clinton is a tough woman who will work tenfold harder than ANY of the choices we have in this election. Compare her bill introduction load to Obama’s. Just do the homework and the facts will surface. This woman has been busy! And there’s a paper trail to prove it.

Do your homework America, and don’t get sucked in by Obama’s charm, charisma, and empty motivational speeches. If Obama is your choice, have more of a reason than “He’s for change and he would have voted against the war”. Because, how do you know?

Bush was for change too. And he delivered his promise. He gave us change all right. Just not the change we fantasized about when he was throwing that word around. No one really asked him what he meant by “change” either.

Bimmer   January 6th, 2008 3:02 am ET

Edwards and Obama Ganging Up on Hillary in the N.H. Debate

Some observations of the debate by a guy from the north of the border:

1. It was amusing to see Edwards and Obama blatantly ganging up on Clinton in the debate. But she looked presidential by countering the gang attack. She also handled it with a good touch of humour when the WMUR TV political director brought this "ganging up" episode to her attention.

2. Why was it right for all of the candidates, incuding Obama and Edwards, in the previous debates to attack Hillary while she was ahead and it is not right for her to point out that Obama changed his positions on several issues?

3. Bill Richardson looked like he was sitting on something sharp or he needed to see a doctor. He did not look presidential at all. He helped Hillary by emphasizing that to bring change you also need experience.

4. Obama could not wait for the debate to be over with and go to bed. He reminded me of George Bush (the father) looking at his watch during a debate with Clinton (the husband). He also looked more like Nixon in the Nixon-Kennedy debate– tired and out of sorts.

By looking at Edwards while answering questions and Edwards patting him in the back, Obama came across as a little boy who needed help from big brother, Edwards. His thanking of Edwards for standing up for him during the break did not go unnoticed.

5. Edwards sounded like an angry bull trying to take on the world. He sounds ingenuous every time he speaks. He has overused the line of his father working in a mill and his grandmother working there too. Furthermore, this agent of change had very little to show for from six years of senate tenure. It was good of Hillary to point out that change without actions are just words. In my opnion, that's what Edwards is: full of angry outbursts. And that's what Obama is: full of flowery phrases ("change", "hope" and "this is the moment" ).

6. Hillary looked a llittle tired while watching others speak. But she won the debate with her response to the likeability question, ponting out Obama's flip-flop on several issues, correcting that the Patient Bill of Rights that Edwards took credit for never passed as a law, and emphasizing that when it comes to change, she did not stop only talking about it, but took action to bring about many tangible changes over the last 35 years.

7. Of all the four in the stage, she looked the most presidential and was in control of the debate. And Edwards was right about her dress this time. That green dress with the matching necklace really looked nice on her.

alan St Louis   January 6th, 2008 3:01 am ET

THAT IS THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK

is this the Hillary come back strategy :)

It is one that is going to back fire hard

The Queen of the world flip flopper calling someone else a flip flopper LOL

I SEEN IT ALL time to go and retire

As far as the POLL saying they are in dead heat HA

those polls had Obama finishing third place. Who came in third???
And NH has double the independents voting. Hate to say it republicans and independents hate Hillary. There part of the 50% plus that will not vote for Hillary. Those polls only poll old people that were raised in the 60s and taught racism as a way of life. There the only ones that stay home to answer the phones and participate in the polls. Which is scary that say half the old people will vote for Obama :) When the middle age and young hit the polls we will see a repeat of Iowa except a lot worse for Hillary :)

If the polls say its a tie then Obama going to win by a land slide :) or Edwards either way as long as it not Hillary.

Obama 2009

virginia robbins   January 6th, 2008 2:58 am ET

As part of the TV audience asked by the ABC commentator Diane Sawyer what was the most surprising thing about the Saturday night New Hampshire debate, I would say that no one referred to Barack Obama's mistakes. First Barack Obama said he would go into Pakistan without hesitation, then reversed his answer to say he would negotiate with Pakistan first. He then used the phrase he'd be "as careful leaving (Iraq) as we were careless going in." Then he topped off the night by saying he'd give Iraq "ample time" to show positive action before removing our troops. This was just after Hillary Clinton pointed out the Surge had failed because it's purpose was to allow Iraq to do just that and Iraq could not rise to the occasion. If Barack Obama wasn't supposed to make any mistakes, what do you call those?

Clinton   January 6th, 2008 2:58 am ET

Quote from this article:
"Democrat Hillary Clinton pointedly criticized rival Barack Obama"

Are you for real? POINTEDLY??? How can a journalist use the word pointedly objectively? Oh wait, you can't. I have never seen such incredibly bias support for a candidate on a nation news network. Not even Fox News is this bad. Stop writing bias articles that are blatantly in Hillary's favor CNN. Please.

Kathy, Roseville, California   January 6th, 2008 2:55 am ET

America is not looking for "folks" to lead our country, but a President with experience and someone that doesn't duck issues or questions like Mr. Obama.
He isn't straight or truthful as far as I see.

Vote for Hillary....

Valerie   January 6th, 2008 2:49 am ET

She appeared rough and mean, making attacks that she knew he would not have time to answer. All accusations were distortions of the truth, not justifyable in any way. He handled himself well, allowing people a chance to get to know him.

President Obama '09

KENNEDY ANYANGO   January 6th, 2008 2:49 am ET

Hillary Clinton should know that senator Obama's vote for funding American soldiers in Iraq was not only patriotic, but also an example of a unified attempt to aid the American soldiers she(Hillary) and other republicans had hurriedly voted to send there in the fast place. The vote was more for Hillary than it was for senator Obama. The vote was aimed at helping Americans whose safety was seriously compromised by an earlier reckless vote for war. SIX YEARS NOW AND SHE STILL HAS THE GUTS TO POINT FINGERS!? Oh please!

G   January 6th, 2008 2:46 am ET

Consider this America, had Sen Clinton not been married to Bill her candidacy for President would be ludicrous to say the least. These are the facts:

1) She would not have had any significant level of clout or name recognition
2) She would not have been a legitimate candidate for the New York Senate seat. In fact, her candidacy would have been laughable especially to New Yorkers not having been from the State or even lived their prior to running.
3) Accordingly, her run at the White House would have been comedic at best.

The only record or experience that she can legitimately refer to are those of her husband. The irony is that Sen Clinton is the candidate that continually touts her supposed credentials. Moreover, she is quick to unjustifiably berate other candidates for their lack of credentials. However, the fact of the matter is that all of the other candidates have earned their laurels as well as their own name-recognition. Feminists no doubt are appalled (yes appalled) that all of the significant achievement that this candidate, who never misses an opportunity to remind us that she is woman, have ‘attained’ are directly attributed to a man. As a middle-aged, hard-working, educated, single woman I indeed am highly appalled.

G

DX   January 6th, 2008 2:43 am ET

After the slam dunk in IOWA, we felt Obama was going to clean up at this Debate. I waited for the plan as President, he seemed more chummy with Edwards than running for President.

I was hoping that they would say something in regards to an action Plan. I got more information from Richardson but he won't win. Great as an Advisor to the President!

Anyone think Obama and Edwards are going to say something of relevance to us voters. Talking in circle on issue's that they are only concerned about, the government buddies going to cocktail parties. I want answers regarding, my taxes, my job, my health care, my social security, my education and our children's future.

I am still waiting....

I don't want to waste my vote. I learned more about the individual R earlier in the program...

So what are they trying to change, what they can do for their families....

Concerned for America!

Rob   January 6th, 2008 2:43 am ET

Clinton is toast, dry toast.

Charles   January 6th, 2008 2:40 am ET

I think Hillary did a good job pinning Obama's and Edward's ears back. And I think they had it coming. I'm not a big fan of Hillary, but I agree that the others just talk of change, while Hillary has actually worked for change. Talk is cheap!

Lance in Monrovia   January 6th, 2008 2:34 am ET

Barack Obama dominated the debate. How interesting to see Hillary Clinton come unhinged and start making unsubstantial claims that Barack is a flip flopper now that it looks like she'll lose bigtime.

This only makes her look worse. Obama has been consistant on his opposition to Iraq, to his desire for transparent government, to his health care plan which does more to lower costs than any other.

Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States, mark my words.

Honestly, I like Edwards too. I think he'd be a wonderful vice president and together they could assure sixteen years of momentum in a positive direction.

Hillary Clinton is obviously tired, desperate, and going under.

Goodbye Hillary, hello President Obama.

Obama 08!!! I'm so happy i can't believe it.

Brian   January 6th, 2008 2:34 am ET

Well, Hillary, you did sort of flip-flop as well. You voted for the war, and now oppose it. So be careful of bringing out the whole Kerry-wafflehouse argument.

sam   January 6th, 2008 2:30 am ET

Barak Hassan Obama if elected will eb the first Muslim president of America.

Why does he hide his religion? His father was a Muslim so he too is a mulsim.
He spent his childhood in largest muslim country Malasia.

Why does he paint balck the truth?

He should be proud of his family religion not denounce it.

Also Barak used Cocain and was a heavy smoker ? Gave up smoking just recently. How can you trust his judgement?

Ok he is a better talker, he is attractive. Ok So was George W. Bush when he ran against Gore. It takes a lot to lead the US out of thsi Buses miserably policies.

Barak need to be honest with the American people.

You cant just say work together, Like Bush said 2000, what is your record ?

jim geminiano   January 6th, 2008 2:30 am ET

Are American voters are really that stupid ? They voted twice for folksy and likable George Bush ! Now again for OSAMA ! Pretty talk is cheap . , anyone will promise you the moom , stars, but whom do you really think can do the job as THe President of the UNited States . Wake up America .. you are at war , your economic is in decline and the world is on turnmoil .

Mike, Conway, AR   January 6th, 2008 2:29 am ET

Hillary is being very misleading in her attacks.

Obama said he would have voted against the Patriot Act and wanted to revise it. What he voted for was a revision of the Patriot Act that addressed most of his concerns.

He also said he would have voted against that 87 billion dollar funding bill for the same reason Kerry and Edwards voted it. He then voted for other funding, just like every other Democrat, until recently.

It's clear that Clinton is trying to confuse voters in the last minute with misleading attacks on Obama's record.

Ivan, Chicago, Illinois   January 6th, 2008 2:22 am ET

Hillary understands that change takes place one step at a time.
She learned the hard way.
There are 100 Senators and 435 Congressmen and you need a majority to go along with you for change.
I asked this question once before, President Johnson passed through the Congress Civil Rights legislation because of his experience. Does anyone actually believe that someone with Obama's experiance could have accomplished that?
Obama would be a babe in the woods with his lack of experience on the national scene. Just as President Carter turn out to be.
Hillary is correct if he voted for the Patriot Act and for the $300 billion for funding the Iraq War, after he said he would not.

Jackie Johnson   January 6th, 2008 2:21 am ET

It.seems to me that Hillary is a little upset because she is no longer the shoe-in that she and others thought she was. Yes Obama is giving her a run for her money. One thing I have learned about her she really gets emotional when things don't go her way. We are ready for change and are not wanting someone that is joined at the hip to George W. Bush if that is the case we could have just kept him for another 4 years God forebid. Anyway grow up Hill and take it like a man after all you do say you are tough.

pieter   January 6th, 2008 2:16 am ET

This debat shows us once again that we need a leader with solutions and not blank one liners. The USA and the world need a president that is willing to take also unpopular decisions. Today Clinton showed us again that she is the a person with strenght ambition and is tough. We all know that this country is running by lobbies and that political pectrum is much more complicated than we want it to be. But just simple one liners such as "we need a change" are based on nothing and I really hope that poeple finally wakw up and that they don't carriwed away with voting based on emotion. There is to much on stake and choosing a president based on " Obamania" will not resolve the problems of this country and the world. We need Clinton who can not only improve things but can also try to take away the polarisation of many issues. Tonight she was thruly the strongest person on the debate and was very concrete.

Dom   January 6th, 2008 2:14 am ET

Hahaha.. Hilary is just a class act in what to do in desperate times. She's also a class act when it comes to flip-flopping and insincerity – just watching her speak makes one want to cringe.

Hilary tell us WHY you want to be president rather than attempt to pass on your own well-deserved Flip-flopper title to others.

alan   January 6th, 2008 2:12 am ET

Hillary was great in the NH debates!

Craig, Carlsbad CA   January 6th, 2008 2:11 am ET

The problem is Hillary is that you just reminded everyone that on the one most important issue, giving Bush power to invade Iraq and supporting his bluster on Iran he was right from the begining and you were the one that flipped.

Joey   January 6th, 2008 2:11 am ET

Clinton makes me sick. She will say anything to get a vote. Her attacks are going to backfire on her like it did in the debate. CNN forgot to mention that she got put in her place by Edwards. Obama had to much class to respond to her desperate attacks.

Protest is Patriotic   January 6th, 2008 2:05 am ET

yeah, hillary, you're one to talk about changing positions... didn't you vote for the war in iraq in the beginning and recently went on record to say you no longer support the war?

i can't stand any of these fools... god help us if mike huckabee (or any other bible boasting neocon for that matter) makes it to the white house

Simon, IA   January 6th, 2008 2:01 am ET

To any intelligent Obama supporter:

Is action more important than words?

I am sure most of the bandwagon, cult followers wont be able to answer this and chicken out by ignoring my question. But I am sure there are some intelligent, ethical, moral Obama supporters out there.

Lorenz, Queens, NY   January 6th, 2008 2:00 am ET

It's all over for Clinton. America wants change, and you're not part of it.

stan pitts pa   January 6th, 2008 1:59 am ET

talking of flip flopping is a joke, hillary is the biggest flip-flopper of all the candidates, she is poll driven, and all her time as senator, on the issues that mean the most to Americans she has voted using bad-judgement, if thats the kind of experience she offers well voters in iowa and beyond are showing that they dont want it, more of the same failed strategies, and calculated poll driven politics, its time for something new, being the spouse of a surgeon doesnt qualify you to do surgery, neither does being the wife of a president qualify you to be president, she has a very thin record to run on quite frankly, and all her talk of experience is another way to mislead the people of newhampshire, she represents all that is old and failing, i hope newhampshire voters see through all the falsehood that surrounds her! Also i dont think her losing in iowa and later her bad-mouthing the people of iowa will help her much, because the people of newhampshire are smart, highly educated people, and can see her for who she really as being divisive, calculating and manipulative!

NIck Young   January 6th, 2008 1:58 am ET

WOW....

For the first two questions it appeared that a high school debate was taking place not a presidential discussion. Sen Clinton seemed to have a hard time trying to answer the questions. Obama was right on track.
I thought the Republican debate was much more informative and to the point.

Rick Green   January 6th, 2008 1:58 am ET

If democratic voters want to see a President from their party they must elect someone other than a Liberal like Obama or Edwards .Liberals have not won for over thirty years and will always lose . If a liberal is selected you will see another Republican president and another 4 years in Iraq

Bill W - PA   January 6th, 2008 1:52 am ET

Oh, Really? The woman who first voted for the Iraq war, then claimed to be against it? The woman who first said she would give drivers licenses to illegal immigrants, then told us she never said that? The woman who can't decide what her own name is? Who is the real flip-flopper?

robby10001   January 6th, 2008 1:50 am ET

Wow! Only Obama stood out in this debate with the cool headed self-control, dignity, and smarts, necessary to be our next president. But Clinton accusing Obama of flip-flopping?? That's the real shocker of this debate. I guess if the shoe fits you give it to the other guy, that's Clinton logic for you.

Sanjay, India   January 6th, 2008 1:49 am ET

India loves Hillary. She brought us billions and many jobs from New York. We hope she gets elected, we need more jobs here.

JerseyGirl   January 6th, 2008 1:49 am ET

I find it very funny that Hilliary actually accused Obama of being a flip flopper.
Of all people :-)

I think the debate showed a desperate Hilliary who actually didn't do too bad. The one moment that may bite her was her little out burst. you could almost feel Edwards saying wow that was even better than I could have hoped for.

Edwards and Obama performed OK – No gaffes. Probably their biggest message was Hilliary = staus quo.

A message that could really haunt Hilliary.

Andrew, Niagara Falls, NY   January 6th, 2008 1:49 am ET

right... just like someone we know who was 'against' the iraq war but voted for the authorization? just like she is 'against' going to war with iran but voted for that too? gee...

jazzy   January 6th, 2008 1:48 am ET

I think the title of the article is alittle influencing on what the tone of the contentious debate really was. The author could have used any description but chose to use a title that unfairly levels accusations against Obama, the term flipflopper in politics is a very nasty word, the author could have said inconsistencies and not unfairly have painted a negative characterization on Obama.

Is Cnn trying to say Hillary made inroads how about the things Edwards or Obama leveled against her. I understand she's slipping so I assume the author of this article is a Clinton supporter. If the article is titled Obama levels Clinton part of an oldguard status quo candidate would that have been a better headline.

Mrs, Clinton looked alittle desperate and angry and her negatives are likely to expand. Obama is looking more presidential now than she does. He diffused those charges against him quite well.

She spent the debate talking about the work she's done for 35 years but its apparent the only work she's done thats relevant is the work as senator the last 6years or so. Being 1st lady and the Gov's wife isn't exactly working in legislation.

will   January 6th, 2008 1:33 am ET

yes, but i dont think it worked well and if you were watching it,
Obama handled it much better

Lee   January 6th, 2008 1:32 am ET

Hillary did an excellent job tonight of showing that the thing Obama is best at changing is his mind!

Jimmy from colorado   January 6th, 2008 1:29 am ET

Good job,finally you have started to attack.This proves only one thing never trust media.They may say Bill clinton is favourable but the truth of the matter is people are fed up with Bill clinton.They want new vision.And Hillary makes a huge mistake to campaign with Bill.Who will ever forget the fight of 90s all scandles at the white house.Hillary has to find new strategy otherwise she will start with 4 states lose.

Kim, Dallas, TX   January 6th, 2008 1:27 am ET

Clinton will be showing her true colors now. She will become the MOST negative candidate because to her it's more important to win at all costs. She never gives straight answers during any of these debates and wants us to believe what she says? I would rather have a candidate that offers something new after thinking through things, than to have one that answers what she thinks everyone wants to hear and thereby staying on the fence on most answers so as not to offend anyone. I get so tired of the negativity type of campaigning and I knew it was only a matter of time before she would pull out all of the stops-and don't give me the "Obama started it first" because that is just not true. Clinton started right off with accusing Obama of having no experience and making rash judgements regarding Pakistan and talking to world leaders. The things she has accused him of having no idea how to run the country are exactly what our leaders are doing now, taking note of his way of running the show can only help our country in the long run. Clinton will never gain my vote, no matter how much dirt she will try to throw at Obama. I won't even vote for her if she ends up being the Democratic nomination.

Sgt.Brandt   January 6th, 2008 1:17 am ET

The only thing i got to say to Clinton, "Who won IOWA!" Clinton can say what ever she wants. She lost iowa and now she's got to get some dirty on obama, or she will lose New Hampshire. Now its tied. Obama was second in the polls for a long time. Iowa said who they want as President. Now it New Hampshire turn.

P.S. DONT SCREW UP Hillary Clinton this is your last chance.

Allen   January 6th, 2008 1:15 am ET

Obama has not proven himself as someone who can make a change. In order to make change as President, you have to know who your friends and enemies are. What bothers me is that most of the politicians always talk about something else instead of answering the question they were originally asked. The go from one item to another and never end up answering the original questions. I think this is just a misguided attempt to decieve the American People. JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION STUPID. If I were taking a test and was asked a particular question, I would get an F if I talked about everything else, but the question.

fabooj, Los Angeles, CA   January 6th, 2008 1:13 am ET

Those lines from Clinton could be harmful for an ignorant sort who takes what they read/hear in the media at face value.

What Clinton managed not to say was that she voted the same exact way Obama did and that neither of them really had any wiggle room as Reid had bound their hands with his wrongheaded negotiations on votes.

But shouldn't really expect CNN to tell us facts or do any research. Nope, it's all she said/he said. Fair and balanced with no substance.

Yummy.

Susan   January 6th, 2008 1:12 am ET

Obama did not say Hillary was wrong did he?

American wants change and from an experienced leader like Hillary Clinton.

I don't dislike Obama but a few things concern me. Obama never changed his name which means he still has himself attached to being part Muslim. Obama wants to win by saying we can change but dreams won't win a thing, the lottery teaches us dreams are just dreams.

Everyone needs to understand in America we still live in a racial country and no matter how many people clap for Obama, there just is no way for him too win the Presidential race, as the south would never vote for him, and with the electoral process voting for Obama now or if he won the bid would be a vote for another Republican President, just what we need four more years of doom.

American needs experience and that is Hillary Clinton.

Liz S   January 6th, 2008 1:08 am ET

Hillary got so angry. I thought she was going to put John Edwards and Barack Obama in time out or send them to their room. Wow, she has a nasty temper.

John   January 6th, 2008 1:06 am ET

Hasn't she learn to stop being negative. it doesn't work, rather it backfires. Obama's got my vote.
She needs to start showing how she can get republicans and democrats to work together and also get ordinary people involved in what goes on in Washington.

csilvergem   January 6th, 2008 1:04 am ET

I don't think Edwards is strong enough individually to be a president, he would make a better VP. He is passionate and lively, yes, about one major topic...if he uses that as his big headline he will lose out on the lower and upper class...not enough to win considering the other candidates and their popularity w/the middle class.

Obama is idealistic in his thoughts. He is a good guy at heart, but its true his lack of political experience does not and should not give him an overall victory....he would be much more electable in a later presidential election.

Clinton did well tonight, she was firm, specific, and showed her experience. I really think in this time, our country needs that. If she were a man making the statements she made tonite, she would have everyones vote. She is hanging in there against all the attacks and double teams. It is pretty obvious she knows her stuff and is very intelligent. I feel she is the best democratic candidate for this election.

Ross Lippincott; Davenport Iowa.   January 6th, 2008 1:00 am ET

Oh I almost forgot,

obama/08!!!!!!!!

Ross Lippincott; Davenport Iowa.   January 6th, 2008 12:59 am ET

Pretty tame when she had the lead,
huh? Now watch how crazy looking her eyes get when she starts getting stressed.
Hey, all you world leaders; If she's elected, make sure you've hidden all the steak knives and removed all the lamps from the tables before you piss her off.

RALPH TORRES   January 6th, 2008 12:51 am ET

HI MY NAME IS RALPH TORRES,
I,SEND MY LOVE TO THE CLINTON FAMILY
GOOD JOB I,PRAY THAT YOU WIN
I,ALSO PRAY THAT YOU WILL BECOME PROLIFE AND SAVE BABY IN AMERICA

Stephen   January 6th, 2008 12:50 am ET

How about a mention of Hillary's Scream moment on CNN?? Only positive Hillary news?

Obama won the debate hands down, and was presidential, Edwards did well as well.

Jim   January 6th, 2008 12:50 am ET

This is not surprising, she is attacking him because Obama is leading.

Her brightest moment was when she responded to the likeability question and her worst moment was when she could not get Obama falter on his healthcare plan, she was counting on it.

Obama was presidential, Edwards needs Anger Management and Richardson helped Obama by endorsing inspiration and Pakistan policy of Obama.

I was turned off by Clinton addressing the Change question and saying that "if nothing else, electing a woman president is a change in itself". She can do better!

K B   January 6th, 2008 12:46 am ET

OBAMA THE GIFT OF THE WORLD TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
It was expected that Mrs. Clinton will try every thing possible to get Obama Down, but I think the guy is unstoppable so she better give up the nomination.
every American now wants to see PRESIDENT BARAK OBAMA– WHO IS THE GIFT OF THE WORLD TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.- WHO HAVE THE CARAGE TO STAND ON THE THINGS THAT HE DOESN'T BELIEVE EVEN THOUGH HE KNOWS THAT IT CAN HURT HIM AND WHO HAVE BETTER PERSEPTION OF THE FORIEGN WORLD.
READY TO GO. GO OBAMA GO.

Dan   January 6th, 2008 12:45 am ET

A little history lesson. If you don't know the answer make your
best guess.
Answer all the questions before looking at the answers. (Answers
are at the end)

Who said the following?

1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the
common good."

A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above

2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of
the few, by the few, and for the few...... And to replace it
with shared responsibility for shared prosperity."

A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above

3) "(We) ...can't just let business as usual go on, and that
means something has to be taken away from some people."

A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Josef Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above

4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires
people to give up a little bit of their own ... in order to
create this common ground."

A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above

5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."

A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above

6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become
the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are
being watched."

A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above

Scroll down for answers

Answers
/
/
/
/

(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
5/29/2007
(3) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
9/2/2005

___________________

Cathy   January 6th, 2008 12:45 am ET

How can you enact change if you're not flexible yourself?

Hillary has gone on the offensive, but the flip-flop attack brings us back to 2004. We're not changing anything if we're going back in time . . .

Donne   January 6th, 2008 12:42 am ET

I am so impressed that america is leading the world stage on change. Over the years Europe and america has been married to racism and all sorts if hate against black people.But what happened to iowa , a white dominated state would always be remembered with perfect ly if not now then, if not then , then in the life beyound.

Iowa nomination has gone a long way to changing most blacks (would -be colour- terrorists)who as result of the unequal opportunities created by the unacceptable line of colours no doubt could have emerged unexpectedly with dirty weapons believeing that hope is not real.

Certainly, I believe that the miracle ´that happened in Iowa "WILL " happen again on tuesday;.America will continue to lead the world in very thing because its God"s own nation.

How can Mr Clinton be regarded as a black president when it was Mr Bush junior who appointed blacks to most key positions in america? Clintons have offered nothing to blacks and remain teleguided with only those few whom he dinned with,. I admire Him and his wife but am shocked when he described Obama as a risks.;when Mrs Clinton proudly said she has been doing it for 35 years, when mre Clinton after placing third in Iowa proudly said Iowa has never been part of the state that played important roll in determining the nomination of the president. Then may i ask Mrs Clinton why did you devote your money, time and energy to fight Iowa votes? Stop fulling Americans. May be you shall still say it again aon wedsday morning next week. tha New hemphsire has never played important roll,

How on earth can Mrs Clinton claimed to have been doing it for 35years whereas she has never held offical position excerpt 2000 election as senator?I love women presidents but Mrs Clinton is not qualified to be president.Letus not be deceived, May be it was her bed room condition of peace agreement or was it an inderict way of Mr Clinton ruling Americans and the world indirectly? If so that means it should become a burden to 303 million Americans and 6.5 billion people world over . I say NO and call on Americans to reject her without any atom of second thought

Mrs Clinton were you the foreign secretary for 35 years? if not , then How can you claim to have foreign relation expereinces.? Ok! Mr clinton will rule us again , surely that means you will be only a messenger to Mr clinton.

Stop double crossing the American consttution which says a president shall rull only for two terms,please Mr and Mrs Clinton give "CHANGE" a chance .

Thank you Iowa voters , you have disgracred president Robert Mugabe who sometime at the floor of the UNO in New york made a negative statment .I qoute. "When will black rule America? Never, Never and never" he concluded.

He is a cynic and shall always remain one with all those who thought that American people are blind. I wish to tell allthat te betterment and goodness of this world remains and shall always come from america.

They american people voted for the now austran born governor in one of the American states, Why should it be impossible in America t vote any good No it is possible in america the rising sun, New Hemphsire please creat history again.

May I ask Bill Clinton " Why voting for Obama is a risk ?.If you love blacks as you claimed such statement could not have been made by you. because you are pursueing selfish interest , Obama turned out to be a risks or was it because of his colour.You thought americans are not good people , you thought change will not come or you thought my american whites are not God.fearing people.? Yes your time is over.

A leading nation among all has now decided to create and ewrite history in this 2008.make no mistake about this now.

I hereby quote president Bush, "terrorist that attack America made mistake." Any person who thoght America cannot rewrite and lead history is a dreamer .

Ride on one Nation, one People, Remember your motto. In God we trust.

I forsee change everywhere;any one who does not love America does not know what is good. America is a world of opportunities, a place where the colour of your skin does not define you, a place your religion does not define you, a place where celebrity, money and position does not define you, It is a nation of God. The road to heaven. togather we are waiting for Obama, the peoples president, The blue and red states will vote for this man in other to create change and rewrite history. Americams stopped slavery and they have come at the appointed time to bring equal justice to mankind.God bless America and Americans.

I am an ordinary man from Germany, I have no personal relationship to any of the candidates, but I love America and Americans.

Jake, California   January 6th, 2008 12:33 am ET

What is the meaning of this picture CNN, can you people grow up?

If you don't know, you are actually hurting this woman's campaign for all these childish gestures.

Seriously if you infuriate people with these kinds of images and your fake polls, you just make voters dislike and to a large extend hate Hillary Clinton.

Did you guys put this picture together? Because it looks very fake. Why will Obama ever want to bow down in front of Hillary? if it was a true picture Hillary would probably be looking in the direction of Obama and maybe smiling and not looking in the horizon as you have depicted.

Replace this picture with a real one now!

Kara   January 6th, 2008 12:31 am ET

Does anyone even listen to what one candidate says about the other? Candidates should be speaking about their own attributes, rather than trying to discredit the others. I have a hard time talking someone seriously who feels that discrediting opponents is a viable way of recruiting voters.

Christine Grace, Overland Park Kansas   January 6th, 2008 12:25 am ET

gee, what a surprise. HRC is getting so desperate that she has to go on the attack. you know what? I was leaning toward HRC at the beginning of 2007, but after watching her negative campaign and her deceptive debate performances that relied heavily on circular reasoning and empty arguments (i.e. plenty of bush-bashing but no specifics on what SHE planned to do) i am thoroughly convinced that she is only interested in the power – not in serving the people. her stump speech after the iowa caucus was all about how she was ready to lead. in contrast, obama talked about how WE would work together for change. i liked that. it was about US, not about Hillary Rodham Clinton sitting in the oval office.

Teddy, ND, IN   January 6th, 2008 12:24 am ET

Great performances from all the candidates.

D Grant   January 6th, 2008 12:22 am ET

Sen Clinton, the wounded candidate for obvious reasons decided that her best strategy was to intensify her attaches on Sen Obama, be it warranted or baseless. In particular, considering the nature of these attacks, Sen Clinton proved embarrassingly hypocritical. However, her bitter attacks will be the least of her worries by morning as Sen Clinton undoubtedly came across cold, angry, furious, sour and entitled. Though this is no revelation to the more intelligent and informed Americans who have long forecasted her presidency run, and have long emphasized the uncouth, obstinate, ill-tempered nature of the experience-feigning candidate, who often pouts and loses her cool when the world fails to comply. Where’s the discipline and diplomacy in that? With that kind of approach it is clear that not only is she unable to hold her own in a healthy debate, but she will never be a consensus builder or a uniter and that’s quite unfortunate for her.

If we’re smart we won’t make it America’s misfortune.

D Grant, FL

John, Los Angeles, CA   January 6th, 2008 12:22 am ET

Hillary Clinton was on fire and amazing tonight. Pointing out Barack Hussein Obama's flip-flopping and his hypocrisy. Not many voters in NH knew that Barack Hussein's New Hampshire Co-Chair is a LOBBYIST, and yet he is falsely claiming that lobbyists "won't have a place in his administration." Yea, right. Finally, Barack Hussein is being portrayed as the fake and cowardly person he is.

Nick Wilson, Richardson, TX   January 6th, 2008 12:21 am ET

Hillary will go wherever the political wind takes her. If people want this, she'd make herself that. Whatever the polls support, she'll do that thing, as long as she can keep talking down to people. When the war was popular, she supported it. When it became unpopular, she stopped being quite so supportive. She is the very last person that needs to be talking about flip-flopping. The only thing I see her changing of Bush's agenda is adding an extra layer of socialism, special interests and corruption on top of the mess which she and her husband helped build in Washington.

Ed L   January 6th, 2008 12:21 am ET

Well they're right in calling Hillary on NOW saying she's the candidate for change... NOW, after losing badly in Iowa. NOW she realizes Americans are FED UP with 20 years of Bush and Clinton administrations and WANT CHANGE. NOW she's for change? I think she's still part of the bizarre synergy of the Bush/Clinton coalition, whatever it is.

Hillary is NOT for change. Hillary is most likely (among the democrats) to continue the Bush push for oil domination, useless wars that gain us nothing, thug diplomacy, and faux terrorism.

Dwight Eisenhower was certainly not a genius, but he was sure right when he warned Americans in 1960 to BEWARE THE MILITARY/INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. Because since Kennedy's election over Nixon, that's what has ruled this county: the military and corporate America. Hillary is too ties up with this combine.

B.J. Bower   January 6th, 2008 12:20 am ET

The debate was interesting tonight. Hillary just looks better to me across-the-board. Of course, I have planned to vote for her long ago. I am a woman and I will look to her for the leadership qualities she has demonstrated in the debates. Although she got a little upset tonight at one point - I think that's meaningless overall. It was a debate. During a debate the debaters speak their mind and the object is to make your point. She does make her point. I'm not sure what Obama's point is. His sentences are not structured in such a way that you really get his point. I think Mrs. Clinton made a great point when she said that the person who walks into the Oval Office on the first day of their Presidency and sits down and know what to do and does it - is the President we want. That person is Hillary Clinton.

Denzel Richie   January 6th, 2008 12:20 am ET

Well done, Hillary.

Gane   January 6th, 2008 12:20 am ET

I am Canadian who passionately watches your politics. You are our Big brother.
Wake up Americans!!!
Why don't you choose your president based on substance and proven abilities, not based on "likability" for example.
Are you planning to marry Mrs.Clinton, or you want an iron lady to fix the big domestic and international bubo that the "likable " guy has done. (By the way chosen by you)
Did you really forget what was America during Clintons? 5 trillions surplus??!!
Everybody works, international respect...Everybody was envying you.
As an Canadian I was trying very hard to get a green cart those days.
Please do not be silly, give you country and yourself a brake. At list 4 years, then B. Hussein Obama is still here. Do not experiment again, because the suite talkers cost you ... how many billion up to know??...5-6..

The next President can not afford to have even a "Haney Day"!

David Gonzalez   January 6th, 2008 12:19 am ET

And Obama never responded (in specific's) to Clinton point that he fili-flopped.

Michael   January 6th, 2008 12:17 am ET

If Hilliary loses...it will be more about people hating her than "choosing" Barack. The Republicans fear her, many people will not vote for a woman, alot of people worry about her well earned connections in Washington, and some people still have strong dislike for her based on her husband's fumbles during his second term.

The truth is...if Obama wins the Democratic Ticket...he will be facing an opponent that will not necessarily garner the hate that so many people have for Hilliary. When that "hate card" is removed...people will focus on experience, record, and decisions that led to change. When that happens...we will be GUARANTEED another Republican in the White House because Barack Obama is running on style & image....but has no real substance to back up all his talk.

Johann   January 6th, 2008 12:17 am ET

Clinton has no choice but to take the Kerry "I was for the war before I was against it" position in this election. She has no room to speak, since she's "flip-flopped" on the most important issue of our time. That she's taking the low road only shows how desperate she's becoming and how fast her campaign is sinking.

Walt, Belton, TX   January 6th, 2008 12:14 am ET

Somehow she just keeps slithering out from beneath the rocks blaming it all on the other guy. It has been a while now, aren't we due for "its all just part of a far right wing conspiracy?" At least Obama and Edwards will look you right in the eyes and when they tell you what you want to hear. Not that Romney and Huckleberry won't do the same thing given a chance. This is going to be just one more election calling for a vote for the least worst. Maybe there just aren't any more "bests" out there anymore................

Larry Buchas, New Britain, CT   January 6th, 2008 12:14 am ET

There were two sides of Hillary during this debate.

1. She lost her cool when Edwards criticized her for representing the status quo.
2. She made many fine points regarding critical issues, portraying her knowledge of these issues.

The problem is we can't afford a President that loses one's cool. President of the United States must exhibit calm under extreme conditions. And I wouldn't qualify criticism during a debate as an extreme condition. Portraying knowledge is expected. Losing your cool is not.

We have seen how George W. Bush has become arrogant & in denial when questioned. I saw some of that in Hillary during this exchange. On the contrary, Obama was cool, calm & collected. These are traits needed from the leader of the free world.

Edwards appears to have aligned himself with Obama as elements of "change." Not a bad move on his part. Hillary thinks she's entitled to being President because of Bill? That's her qualifications as "experienced?" Sorry, Hillary. You need to get a grip before you get "your feelings hurt.."

Jay   January 6th, 2008 12:13 am ET

It is time to expose Edwards for what he is, a shameful opportunist seeking power by aligning with Obama and attacking Clinton. Edwards is unable to win the nomination himself, so he is politicking to be Obama's running mate by playing the part of henchman bullying Clinton. And he says he is a candidate of change. He is just another power hungry attorney seeking to pad his wealth and power through politics. Shameful.

Jay   January 6th, 2008 12:12 am ET

I think Hillary won the debate.She sounded presidential , she contrasted herself from Obama , questioned some of the positions he has taken in past and showed CHANGE is not done by not inspirational rhetroic but by Hard Work.
Obama to me looked rattled . Go Hillary !

Rene J.   January 6th, 2008 12:09 am ET

Why can't he answer the question instead of reciting empty platitudes? Zero substance.

Dean Wescott in NH   January 6th, 2008 12:08 am ET

It is SO good that Hillary is finally revealing the hypocrisy of Barack Obama.

People need to know that he is a two-faced politician.

Carrie   January 6th, 2008 12:08 am ET

Yes! It is about time that we quit hearing the sugar coated and repetitive "change and togetherness" speech and start talking about the issues. Seriously all I want to know is where each candidate stands on the issues and their specific plans to get there. Quit treating me like I am at a cheer leading convention, what's your plan Obama-Man?

DeeAnna Roberts   January 6th, 2008 12:07 am ET

Hillary is going to lose New Hampshire , South Carolina and maybe even Nevada.

Go Obama !

Rick   January 6th, 2008 12:06 am ET

How Hilary dug her own grave: The obvious one is that her angry tirade will be all over the news tomorrow. NH voters are not going to like that one bit. The one that I think Obama will pick up on is her statements about not giving "false hope" and words not inspiring. She has given him ammunition to distinguish himself further and make himself look more optimistic; Clinton doesn't understand that this is what drew people to Obama by the ten of thousands in Iowa. Telling those new voters they are wrong to be hopeful is not going to win them over. She doesn't get it, and with this tactic she is only going to pull in pessimistic, older democrats, and thus lose NH.

Claude   January 6th, 2008 12:06 am ET

The nerve this woman has!!!!! And then to play the GENDER card!!! Go home Hillary, you are standing on sand. Keep your anger to yourself. Nobody likes anger. This election is about change to the status quo. YOU are the status quo and a empty suit.

Michael from CT   January 6th, 2008 12:06 am ET

I think Senator Hillary Clinton is right, Senator Obama is a flip-flooper and if Democrats want a good Democratic President then they better vote for Hillary because last time we paid for it in the national election and got stuck with Bush and Cheney which in my opinion is the worst administation in the history of the country. Democrats and Independents need to also think and look at the big picture. Hillary has got the best chance to win the national election and we need her to solve the problems of today. Bush and Cheney have ruined the reputation of our great nation but Hillary is well known and respect around the world which is what we need gain back our respect both at home and around the world if we are going to properly deal with the real challenges of the world we live in today. It's going to take another Clinton to clean up the Bush mess. Hillary will also improve our economy for everyone not just the rich but she will reach out to the middle-class who Bush/Cheney have ignored for the last 7 years. Senator Obama means well when he talks about change but he doesn't have the experience to make those changes happen. Hillary is experienced and will bring us that change we really need. Voters need to think long and hard and look at the big picture, Republicans are offering more of the same but like her or not Hillary has the best change to win the national election and make that change happen. If Senator Obama should get the Democratic nomination Democrats will be handing the Republicans another victory which will mean more of the same and that's something we can't afford that's why it's so important we put our support to Senator Hillary Clinton.

JT   January 6th, 2008 12:05 am ET

Hillary is so desperate. It's funny watching her get so angry and defensive since her third-place Iowa defeat. No one's buying her distortions of Obama's record.

Independent   January 6th, 2008 12:02 am ET

Hillary was clearly ahead of both Obama and Edwards today's debate. She was knowledgeable, fiery and fun. Obama appeared – dour (could not handle a compliment) and Edwards behaved peevishly.

Christian, Tampa FL   January 6th, 2008 12:01 am ET

Hillary is not exactly known for being fully consistent. Obama had a great opportunity to highlight her change of positions on Iraq. It was a testament to his character that he did not launch a major attack on her.

cjonson   January 6th, 2008 12:01 am ET

Mrs Clinton Clearly won the Debate and anyone who did not see that is not being honest with themselves. We do not Need a Motivational Speaker we need a a President. What about YOU!!!!!

Don   January 6th, 2008 12:01 am ET

I went into tonights debate being a Obama supporter. He is very inspirational and very convincing. However two things that were done tonight have me switching to Hillary. The first was obama and edwards ganging up on her. I was completely shocked, and I thought to myself is this the kind of change obama & edwards will bring. It seemed sexist. I am a male and have a lot of respect for the females in my life and i would never want them treated like that. The 2nd thing was Hillary emphasizing change is more than words. I started thinking and realized that neither edwards or obama have done enough for me to see what kind of president they would really be. So i came in a obama supporter and leaving a Hillary voter.

John Wakefield, Essex, NY   January 5th, 2008 11:59 pm ET

If she were trustworthy and didn't come off so angry, maybe I would actually believe her.

Rob   January 5th, 2008 11:58 pm ET

Someone please tell me what has Obama done that is noteworthy?
Really why is anyone voting for him he has done nothing but make a speech or two that he's all about change but really has nothing new.
This is why I can't vote for him.

jay mo   January 5th, 2008 11:58 pm ET

clinton is scared, that's all that the debate has shown us...and for the record, i actually have no problem with her...i just don't remember her attacking obama until she was a how do you say...."back seat driver"

Tyler in Raleigh, NC   January 5th, 2008 11:56 pm ET

Of course of the whole debate, this is the item they choose to focus on.

How about Hillary being arrogant and rude? All she can claim is she has experience making change. Really, what change was that? She has stuck to the party line and status quo all her life. She divides the country and flip flops more than anyone else.

Iraq war?

That is the biggest flip flop and mistake of all, and that was Clinton.

Holly   January 5th, 2008 11:56 pm ET

I wonder why we have not learned lessons of the past, and that hard lesson learned is that talk if very cheap.

How come we're not trying to elect a president that we can know for sure that he or she can indeed implement change? Do people honestly think that because someone is a great orator that they can govern?

Anyone who is a good speaker can make it sound good...doesn't anyone remember how wonderful George Bush sounded, and it seems to me that once again, we are voting on popularity...

This time we need a steady hand, not the person who we most want to have a beer with.

Patrice Ceeley   January 5th, 2008 11:54 pm ET

Clinton is right and it is about time voters looked at this race with their brains instead of their hearts. We so want our very own JFK for our generation. What we will get with Mr Obama is someone who gives a good speech, but is ill equipped to deliver in a world where things can change in a fraction of a second. The print and broadcast media want this Obama story to work out so badly, that they are willing to give a pass to him on all issues. Everyone gets grilled but him. It has become shameful, this slanted reporting. The irony here is that most of those veteran washington reporters are more experienced, and better equipped to be President of the United States than Mr. Obama!
Though all class in public, Joe Biden and Chris Dodd must silently be enraged that they had to drop out to someone who's experience would not have gotten him hired to most any major company, yet many voters are ready to install him as the next man to put his finger on the "button." You've got to be kidding me. What are we doing?

zb   January 5th, 2008 11:52 pm ET

Just caught the Dem debat highlights.... Hillary was so far and away more serious, knowledgable and capable.... Obama and Edwards were all about the rhetoric of change and no reality.... one point that really stuck out: Obama says he would attack in Pakistan... so whats the big difference between that and going into Iraq... zb... also caught some bits of the republican debate...god help us if one of them gets elected...

Anonymous   January 5th, 2008 11:51 pm ET

Will someone please call Senator Clinton out on her 35 years of experience! Experience doing what? Watching her husband sleep with numerous women...if that's the case...then yea, she sure does have experience.

Poll Dancer   January 5th, 2008 11:50 pm ET

Poll Dancer says Hillary get off my poll.

JA   January 5th, 2008 11:46 pm ET

Great debate NH especially enjoyed after having seen and heard all of the leading Democratic candidates while they where in Iowa.
Hillary doesn't like the boys getting after her, it's hard to work on being more personably when you get angry.
All three of them (and Bill...got to like Richardson even if his chances are slim) came across just like they did when I heard them speak.
Obama was calm, Edwards a fighter, Hillary with her "edge" that is far from soft and feminine.
I can't believe these people can stay awake to debate, they all have to be beat. I thought Edwards had a good showing, Obama was a bit passive and Hillary still ticked off at losing Iowa Caucus.
What you going to do NH??? I am enjoying the view....have fun, it's your turn.

jack   January 5th, 2008 11:46 pm ET

Hilary is in panic mode. All her donors are also panicking. OBAMA is our next president.

Frank P.   January 5th, 2008 11:46 pm ET

Without screaming and getting uptight, Mr. Obama held his cool and represented himself masterfully at tonight's debate. Mr. Edwards reminded the people when a "true" advocate for change the non-change (pretend change agents) attacks and it was clear that he was on point.

Obama or Edwards I'll go for either one.

Justin   January 5th, 2008 11:44 pm ET

All I have to say is Obama shinned!!! OBAMA 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amber   January 5th, 2008 11:40 pm ET

Considering the fact that Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, and many other Eastern countries and societies do not respect women what so ever, what makes anyone think they will respect and work with a women in the White House???

Mrs. America   January 5th, 2008 11:39 pm ET

She makes an excellent point. Obama has even criticized others for their votes on issues that he didn't show up to vote on because he was too busy campaigning. Like her or not, Sen. Clinton called this one straight, and it looks like he dodged it.

jose   January 5th, 2008 11:38 pm ET

You forgot to include that Hillary brought up the fact that Obama clearly uses lobbyists in his campaign.

It's about time that someone brought up the fact that he promised when he was running for the IL US Senate seat in '04 that congress should stop "writing blank checks," yet, when he became a senator, he continued to help write that same blank check.

Hillary did a great job and considering her Iowa defeat, this was a much needed victory – great way to get into NH.

Why did John Edwards and Obama tag-team Hillary – reminds me of the Lazio moment... too aggressive.

Sean   January 5th, 2008 11:37 pm ET

Looks like Hillary is getting desperate since Obama is stealing her thunder.

Amadu   January 5th, 2008 11:37 pm ET

i think hillary was right to let the american people kow how barack obama is a flip flopper like kerry

MBKJ   January 5th, 2008 11:37 pm ET

"seeks" being the key word in your misleading header...she failed miserably.
It was difficult to not feel embarrassed for her after that "Dean scream" moment early in the debate. Obama was impressive..."presidential", if I may.

mike   January 5th, 2008 11:36 pm ET

She tried but did not lay a glove on Go'bama...

Kimerly Newton, IA   January 5th, 2008 11:36 pm ET

Hillary is so desperate

Anonymous   January 5th, 2008 11:35 pm ET

What kind of picture is that? Whoever posted it should be fired.

Bill W - PA   January 5th, 2008 11:33 pm ET

Oh, really? The woman who voted for the war and then said she was against it? The woman who said she favored driver's licenses for illegal immigrants, then told us she never said that? The woman who can't decide whether her name is Hillary Clinton or Hillary Rodham Clinton? Who's the flip-flopper? This is a slam dunk.

Dan, TX   January 5th, 2008 11:33 pm ET

Obama is not a flip-flopper. Hillary is being silly throwing out anything in a desperate attempt to see if something will stick. Sad. She is not very presidential. I think Edwards may pass her.

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