(CNN) - Barack Obama accused Bill Clinton of twisting some of his early remarks on the Iraq war in a speech the former president gave the night before the New Hampshire vote.
"Bill Clinton was taking some liberties with my statements," Obama told CNN American Morning anchor John Roberts Wednesday, after his narrow loss to Hillary Clinton in the Granite State’s Democratic primary.
Clinton had alleged that the media had not properly reported on remarks the Illinois senator had made, saying that Obama’s policy stands on the war had actually been identical to those of his wife, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton.
"I'm not clear about what the contradiction is," says Obama. "I said from the start that Iraq was a bad idea. I also said from the beginning that if we were gonna go in then we would have an obligation to our troops and that's been a consistent position of mine. So, the notion that somehow that diminishes my clear unequivocal statement of opposition to the war even before the Congress voted to authorize it actually doesn't make much sense."
Obama won the Iowa Democratic caucuses by 8 percentage points over Clinton, but lost the New Hampshire primary to her by 2 points, despite showing a lead in most pre-vote surveys.
Obama says the record-setting Democratic turnout in Iowa and New Hampshire bodes well for his campaign. "What's pretty clear is that the American people are taking this process seriously. They want to bring about the fundamental change in how our politics works."
Related video: Sen. Clinton on her N.H. win
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Waaaah, Waaaah, Waaaah. Obamas only real words of experience
I watch CNN , Obama said"I won't let the lobbyist to set up my agenda as a president" he said it again and again.
but his national campaign co-chair is a national register lobbyist .The lobbyist is setting up his agenda now.
You should have responded BEFORE the election Barack. Remember the Swift Boaters?!? Kerry didn't respond right away and the damage was done. Now take your medicine and learn from the experience.
2004 – you state that your position on Iraq is similar to that of George Bush. How is that an unequivocal statement of opposition?
Well Bill Clinton is the man that asked us what our definition of the word "is" is. Why is anyone surprised that he twisted someone else's words?
Its clear that if you have your own interpretation of language and syntax you can justify anything.
I wonder how he will interpret Hillary's minimizing the impact of Martin Luther King in her speech and stating that Lyndon B Johnson was really the person who enacted change.
I don't need an angry ex-president to tell me what someone else said.
I am embarrassed by my previous support of Bill Clinton. The Clintons have taken the "low road"...and that's being kind.
Obama is a good guy but once again he wasn't around for the Irag war vote so the entire " He said, She said " thing doesn't float. I think he's going to make a great VP and then become President down the road in another election.
As for John Edwards, he's TOAST. bye Bye John
It seemed like a pretty desperate comment from Bill. Barack opposed/opposes the war, but he certainly doesn't want to abandon our troops who were given a mission and are in harm's way. How is that a contradiction?
Oh, WHAT is this?? Obama saying someone twisted his words? Everyone keeps slamming Clinton for her supposed whining, NOW lookie lookie...
One loss and this is how he comes out..I can just imagine what he will be saying if he loses another and another..
The media REALLY needs to start looking at Obama and actually reporting on his record (is there a record) instead of focusing all their time on Clinton. She has proven herself, has Obama with what, 2 years as JUNIOR Senator? What HAS he done as a Senator, what is his voting record in the house and most importantly PLEASE someone tell me what his plan of change is. I haven't heard a word on how he plans to do this...hmmmnnn By saying present when it comes to voting???
Your killing me with all this sticky sweet promise of change and nothing to back it up..charisma and good talks do NOT make a President.
Hillary has this sown up already, don't let the press fool you. She has all the super deligates already. And as we see, Bill Clinton is more than just the future First Lady. He talks, people listen. Blacks will vote for Hillary over Obama because of him. Yesterday I saw 4 women saying "I just want to see a woman president". They don't care if she's the best choice or not. If Oprah quits her show and follows him to every state he has a small chance. Unless there is some debate where Obama can make a halo appear around his head, this is a done deal.
"What's pretty clear is that the American people are taking this process seriously. They want to bring about the fundamental change in how our politics works."
Can Mr Obama be a little more specific on what changes he would make in 'how our politics works' and what methodology he would use?
Is he going to get rid of the electoral college? Make all primaries run on the same day? Change Senate or House rules to prevent minority positions from blocking passage of majority positions?
If the fundamental change he is going to make is to have people be more polite and more civil, I think that might interfere with first amendment rights, but more power to him.
However, I never saw Emily Post as someone I would want to steer my country through even clear sailing waters, let alone the current maelstrom we find ourselves in.
But Obama wasn't in the Senate at the time of the vote authroizing the war. He is in office at the time the Americans are asking to get the troops out of Iraq. A lot of us believe, that supporting our troops means bringing them home.
CNN Situation Room Anchor Wolf Blitzer, made it clear that Bill Clinton did twist the words of Obama. CNN did an excellent job in getting to the facts of Clinton's statement when it was first aired. Unfortunately, Obama's team and strategists take a long time to answer false charges. I think that is why Obama might lose this nomination. You've got to be sharper and more acute in responding to false or negative facts. No response will cause the accusations to stick.
Come on Obama, you are an intelligent guy, but you've got to tell your people to look at Fox, MSNBC, and CNN, like I do, and catch the big stuff. Bill Clinton got people to think twice, and Hilary's crying got the women thinking twice, and the Obama campaign said nothing until this morning. Too little too late. It cost us last night. Obama if you need help, let me send you what is out there. You simply can't give the Clintons an inch, because they will take a million miles.
Welcome to politics, Mr. Change!!!
I've seen your comments on film and heard the audio. You got called out by a master and roasted for it!
I guess Obama really is a symbol of change. that's why he keeps changing his mind about where he stands on the issues.
Obama concentrate on your campaign and stop the blame game, Hilary won this time it is her turn to celebrate too just as you did five days ago. Stop blaming Bill, because I don't know what change you are talking about other than being a good orator. Whether Clinton won by 1point or 2, it is still a win and she worked for it because every body including CNN and Fox news had given you a free joy ride, which was totally a fairytale so to speak. It is time to move on there are other 48 states that you need to concentrate on or you will get another bunch out!
Go Hilary '08!
please Obama, you took Hillary ideas and speaches and then together with the media you crucified her. The media is not tough on you at all.I wonder why?? maybe because you're a man? and a woman is always stupid??? the media literary crucified her. I wish they do the same to you. but they won't because it is a lot more fun to harass a woman than to harass a man right???
Obama you are not experienced and you should face it.the only reason you won in Iowa is because people are stupid and follow what Oprah says. people can't think for themselves they need Oprah to tell them how to live their lives.
Hillary is the best candidate and peopel know it. the only reason theyd on't vote for her is because she is a woman. if she were a man, she would have won in both Iowa and NH. I hope people get over the sexism and gender issue and realize women can take lead positions. women have been taking hard jobs in the past 50 years: engineers, doctors, teachers, lawyers, etc. therefore, there is no proof that a woman cannot take the presedent job.
I find it very disturbing that someone who was not in elected office at the time the vote on the Iraq War took place can say they were against it from the beginning. Anyone can say that. It is a much different thing when you actually have a responsibility of a vote and have to think things through. Senator Obama was not privvy to the intelligence that was presented (faulty as it was in hindsight), nor did he have the responsibility of pondering an actual vote. He was not in the Senate. When you are not responsible for a decision it is extremely easy to say you are against something. Wait, isn't that the reason why polls are not that accurate. You can predict how you would do under certain scenarios and hypotheticals. Things change when you actually are faced with real life decisions. Barack Obama needs to get off that argument as it does not make sense. Give me a decision on which he actually was in the Senate to vote on, and we can have a dialogue.
Two things that I have not heard anyone talking about that I think are very telling about last night's results. 1.)Biden and Dodds were "experience " candidates. Had they been in the race would they have pulled from Clinton? Probably.
2.) If Kucinich and Richardson had not been in the race would their support gone to clinton? I think not! With Edwards and Obama sharing the "change" vote They garnered well over 50% of the vote.
If you can't take the heat-get out of the kitchen.
The cocky little boy doesn't know what to do with a man like Pres. Clinton. Poor Obama.............Kind of makes me wonder how he would handle all the remarks that are made by national or international leaders as president.
The free media ride is over for Obama, they all got it wrong.
Way to go Hillary, Way to go!! I am so proud of ever person who voted for her in NH..............Thank you for the win last night, you showed the media that there really are 50 states in the primaries.
Slick Willy twisting or taking liberty with words?? No, never happen!! LMAO on that one. I'm not even an Obama supporter, but that's rich. Bet he had the old finger wagging too.
Bill Clinton has lied before, just because he hasn't been caught doing it in 8 years doesn't mean he isn't doing it... I would like to see proof before I "take his word" on anything.
Look, I'm not gonna hate on Hillary for winning New Hampshire. All I'm saying is the crying and Bill using half of Obama's quote the night before and day of the election didn't give Obama time to respond and clarify his statements before the vote. Even in the AP article, Hillary said her crying was "might have helped me win". I want to see ONE state where Clinton(s) doesn't use any type of tactics the day before the election and when I see that, I won't saying nothin bad about her.
Poor Obama.....is he just now understanding that the Clintons will do and say ANYTHING to win? They are nasty and mean and will try and destroy him, his family and his campaign. Hang in there Obama!
mr obama,its really very simple..you may have a lot of good things to say, a great attitude...and on and on and on....
but the ONE THING that counts MOST at this critical time, is to pick up the pieces of the trail of destruction thats been left..
and that, im sorry to inform you, REQUIRES A TON OF EXPERIENCE...
news bulletin: YOU JUST DONT HAVE THAT....
why is CNN the only network to show a difference of 2% between Hillary and Clinton and Obama? it is clear that CNN and others are trying to influence the race. It was obvious during several debates when some were asked to Hillary only and not to the other candidates ( about the driver's licence in NY for example).
one more time we can see that Cnn lost the notion of doing information and become one more channel whithout any objectivity.
Stop crying already, Bill's been allowed to "takes liberties" whenever he wants, what are you going to do about it??
I would like to know why the media has seem to forgotten the Governor Bill Richardson is also a candidate. The Governor has a very good platform and is down to earth in his message. I think he deserves more respect since he is also dedicating his time and money and effort just as the other candidates are. He doesn't even get to have his concession speeches aired. I think the media needs to give him a chance. The media is not always right. Look at what happened in New Hampshire. Everyone was counting Hillary out. I guess she showed them!
So I am asking. Please, be respectful; give him the time he deserves. He may not be the front runner but he does have a very strong message. I for one have heard it and believe it...
Stil Hilary won, too late to cry over spilt milk. Move on, people. Can't you see and reason? It is a matter of who is will best lead the country and not who is likeable or good orator? Hilary is best suited for the country right now, come Nov'08 and we will all be surprised that she did it again!!!!
Hilary Girl.
This just proves that the only thing Obama has going for him is a smooth, slick tongue. When it comes to direct questions about his past decisions or achievements he gets all fumbled up. He keeps trying to give the answer that he thinks voters want to hear instead of answering truthfully... We put up with that nonsense from Bush, we don't need another president that lies to save face.
There's no need be bitter Obama. In the past, you have been vague about your position on Iraq and its only lately that you have gone with the popular consensus.
I think the margin of loss speaks for its self. in my opinion it is not only important to just see who won and who lost, but to also look at how big of a win/loss was it. Oboma won big and lost small, Hillary lost really big and won small. Take it how you want it, but that really doesnt say much for hilary. she needs to do something to change that because in my opinion, that doesn't put her in a position of a confidence boost. She is still scrambling. It took her crying (fake crying) to get attention and angry remarks from her husband to get attention. To me that's LAME.
Maybe Oboma should let his wife loose on Bill to take verbal jabs and hissy-fits and then maybe he should show a softer whiney side to get votes. what's going to happen if she gets in the White house and people aren't happy???? or if people are angry with her????? is she going to get on CNN and cry again? Is she going to call up other world leaders and Cry "this is not just politics, its personal for me"???? Your personal issues go to the wayside when you are trying to run a group, business, state, government or a COUNTRY!!!!!!!
Her speeches lack conviction, her posture says "its all about me", her responses are catty and her appearance under pressure can be read like a Dr. Sues book.
Need I say More????
questions?
There's no need to be bitter Obama. In the past, you have been vague about your position on Iraq and its only lately that you have gone with the popular consensus.
I feel that it was Bill CLintons place to speak up on behalf of his wife because Obama has been twisting her words for months now. If you dont like his methods then maybe you are not cut out to become the President of the United States Mr. Senator. Stop complaning and get to focusing on how you can bounce back from this loss.
Is this what we now reward?
Bill twisting Obama's words on Iraq, slamming him and his supporters for living in "fairyland," and Hillary invoking Rovian tactics by trying to scare voters with the Al Qaeda reference yesterday.
It seems bizarre that with an opportunity to say "enough" to lobbying money in DC, some New Hampshire voters decided to register a "protest" vote against Edwards "piling on" and the mainstream media "daring to tell them who to vote for."
Jim, you have not heard anyone talk about that because we don't have time to analalyzing that, they didn't win, the dropped out and so why waste time? It is clear she would have still won may be even with a greater percentage if they were not in!
Hilary '08
"I'm not clear about what the contradiction is," says Obama. "I said from the start that Iraq was a bad idea. I also said from the beginning that if we were gonna go in then we would have an obligation to our troops and that's been a consistent position of mine. So, the notion that somehow that diminishes my clear unequivocal statement of opposition to the war even before the congress voted to authorize it actually doesn't make much sense."
The contradiction is that he promised to vote against funding the war when he ran for Senate and then did it anyway. His vote was not going to defeat funding for our troops so he could have voted no, or he could have abstained similar to his history of voting present in the State Senate. He clearly voted the way he did for political purposes and yet he critcizes others for doing the same. Obama is making his war opposition a key part of his pitch, but he isn't that strong in this area. He is no Kuncinch on this. And there is a reason why, he knew being a Kuncinch could not win him the nomination. He needs to get off the past and talk about the future and tell us why he is best suited to handle Iraq once in office.
Furthermore, he misrepresents Mrs. Clinton's position on Iraq. She voted to give Bush the authority to use force against Iraq because Bush said he wanted to use that authority to force Sadam to let inspectors in. Mr. Bush misused that authority by rushing to war without making a good faith effort to use the threat of force to engage in effective diplomacy. Voting to give someone the authority to do something is not the same thing as approving of the way they use that authority. If I were to support giving someone a driver's license, I would be giving them the authority to drive a car. That is not equal to me supporting them driving that car off a cliff. Especially if they had promised not to do that. The only person who is responsible for the mess in Iraq is George W Bush. George Washongton once said "...to secure peace,...it must be known, that we are at all times ready for War." The Congress gave George W Bush the tools he needed to secure peace, he choose to use them not to acheive that end, but to recklessly pursue a radical ideological agenda. The Congress did its duty, it was George W Bush who didn't do his. Mr. Obama should stop pandering to the far left by trying to make this vote an issue. In 2004 he didn't feel that this vote in any way should disqualify John Kerry or John Edwards as suitable for office. Now that he is running for President and he stands to benefit from making these attacks he does. He either lied then to help his party, or is dishonestly making an issue of this now for his own gain. Not exactly a new kind of politics.
Jim, thank you. That is the only intelligent analysis I've heard in 4 days.
Maybe Hillary is the best candidate, maybe not. Her experience is only valuable if you don't want change. Check the figures, she gets more money from the healthcare lobbiests she claims to fight, than anyone save George W Bush.
She will be a good president, but I think America will have missed out on a chance to unite the country & take power out of the pockets of big business.
I said this several days ago about Hillary & now I'll say it about Bill–they're sneaky politicians who will do anything to win. Don't trust either of them.
Hmmm... you are right? You said iraq war is a bad idea but at all debates you mentioned you opposed it. You mentioned you voted against the iraq war but I just realized that you are a junior senator that took office on 2004 – after the war. I think you are a good orator without any single experience.
The primary is now getting ugly. It is disappointing that the former President Clinton has to resort to ugliness but what can he do? It's too bad things are the way they are.
I hope we get an unifying figure for our president, regardless of party.
And despite these things, like the true statesman he is, Mr. Obama remained congratulatory in his manner towards the Clintons, regardless of how much mud they sling in his face. Compared with his methods, the Clintons are petty, trivial, and had a mouthful of "Senator Obama" to say prior to the voting, and a paraphrased version of an Obama speech after the results were in.
The fact remains that the Clinton campaign is the bitter, dirty, old, inauthentic one.
Obama needn't say a word at all to look refreshing by comparison.
CNN: I know it's a tough topic to talk about, but why is there no discussion about Hillary's constant minimizing of MLK over the past 3 days and saying it was really LBJ who brought about the real change?
African Americans have infinitely more reason to be outraged this morning than woman did yesterday at the mainstream media playing "Hillary's moment" over and over.
The goal of Obama (and the media is feeding it) is to go up on stages and give these "I have a dream" MLK rip off speeches without ever saying anything. What are your programs- Give details! What are you going to CHANGE and how are you going to do it.
Only morons fall for these empty pillowcase speeches. He's a politician!!!!!
Hey CNN! Obama LOST last night, baby! Just maybe the American people - and not you lot - will decide who the next president will be.
Keep up the Obama lovefest. We are on to you, and the more free fluff pub you give him, the more people will turn on him. You have yourselves to thank for last night.
I saw David Gergen get visibly upset when someone suggested that Hillary still had a chance the other night. Very unbecoming. I loved Donna Brazille's face last night as the results came in. Priceless, after she talked about Obama's tidal wave.
By the way: You were off by 12 points on Clinton's support last night in New Hampshire. Try polling someone NOT wearing an Obama t-shirt next time!
I can't understand how cnn is reporting New Hampshire as anything other than a tie.
Clinton and Obama both recieved 9 delagates. This is not a popular vote election... you win by obtaining over half the delegates.
Additionally, of the super delegates in the state 3 support Obama to the 2 that support Clinton. If anything, Obama won this state.
Good job CNN on confusing people as to how the political process works.
Sour Grapes Obama.
Hillary beat you and thats that. Your sords were not twisted. I think you will make a good VP (if you play your cards right). BE careful what you say as it may come back to haunt you.
GO HIL
I hate it for you, but when you throw mud, you have to expect to get mud thrown back. Personally, I hate all the mud slinging and negativety that comes with the elections. We want to hear what you can do, not a bunch of twisted facts about your competition.
I have to laugh.. Mr. Obama have been attacking Ms. Clinton for a long while on her record, but when somebody question his, he cries "foul".....
I agree with Mr. Clinton on something: Mr. Obama has gone way to far in this contest whitout being asked HOW he plans to bring about the change he is promising.... In recent debates his answers are just about the 'change' people want and how much of an 'insider' Ms Clinton is, but his answers have no substance...
I do want to her Mr. Obama talk about his record!... I want to hear him expalin why he took so many "present" votes in the state senate, when he was presented the chance to take a stand in real issues..... I want to hear him explain all the votes he missed last year in the US senate while campaigning.... I want to hear Mr. Obama explain how does he plan to bring about the change he is promising....
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANYMORE ABOUT 'CHANGE'.... I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT **how** IS THAT CHANGE GOING TO BE DELIVERED....
If you guys round-up numbers, the actual difference should be 3 points; however, if you calculate to two decimal points, the difference is 2.74, still 3 points rounded up.
The difference in raw votes between Clinton and Obama for NH is 7,667 for as between McCain and Romney is 12,886. How do you characterize a tight race?
About contradictions: When it is convenient for Mr. Obama to pretend to be mystified, It seems to me that there are quite a few things which Mr. Obama does not get, wnen it is convenient for him . B. Obama mystified, never. Not with $600,000/individual spent to make certain his stand. Congratulations to Lew Dobbs, who has now become a staple in my book.
No surprlse here. For all you knuckleheads that blindly support the Clintons, Bill has already said "Whatever it takes to WIN". That is all that matters to these two.
One other point...don't get so smug that your candidate won NH. If she does manage to win the Democrat Party nomination, It may be just enough to convince Mayor Bloomberg to run. Since Bloomberg is a Democrat at heart, his running will ensure Hillary does not occupy the WH. Afterall, Bloomberg has said he is concerned with the partisan, divisive climate in Washington, and that is exactly what a Hillary Presidency would perpetuate.
to manupop.......sounds like you are having gender issuses. Any have way educated preson realizes that women have the ability to tackle the tough jobs. It's rather archaic to pretend that Ms. Clinton's problems are totaly related to the fact that she's a women. It's funny....I don't ever hear Barack Obama play the race card.
Did I miss something? Since when does age count as experience? Everyone is reporting that Hilary Clintons political resume is longer than Obama's. Really? I thought She was a lifelong, lawyer and a first lady (does that count as a political office)? Obama has been involved in politics since 1996. It just happened to be on the state level and not federal level. America is not looking for a new fresh perspective. It is very clear to me that Obama is the obvious candidate for president.
spoken like a true LOOSER! he means the words written for him, he doesnt have an original thought! Cable news pundits may have successfully predicted John McCain's victory in New Hampshire, but they sure had a lot of explaining to do around 10:30 p.m., once The Associated Press and MSNBC projected victory for Hillary Rodham Clinton. "The polls were so wrong. So off," MSNBC's Keith Olbermann said. Perhaps exaggerating slightly, Olbermann added, "Two cable news networks actually predicted this outcome after Sen. Obama conceded." Chris Matthews, co-anchoring the evening broadcast on MSNBC, told Clinton adviser Howard Wolfson an hour later, "I will never underestimate Hillary Clinton again."
It was that kind of night for the punditocracy. So how do the media come back after being so far off? "I think the people are going to make some judgments about us," Brokaw said. It is quite possible that voters, who were barraged in the past days with reports about how Obama was cruising to a double-digit victory, already have.
Obama, don't worry. Just stay focused on your message. You are willing to unite the country and people are willing to listen. Remember Bill Clinton lost to Paul Tsongas in 1992 in N.H. and Bill Clinton lost to Tom Harkin in Iowa that same year. Harkin dropped out and Clinton went on to become the Democratic nominee.
Thus, you are already starting off better than Clinton did in his first run. I liked the interview you did with Brian Williams on January 7th. Stick with that temperament and steadyness of hand. You'll win, and so will our country.
Best,
T (A whispering Republican who supports you)
"but his national campaign co-chair is a national register lobbyist .The lobbyist is setting up his agenda now."
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Jim Hodges is a STATE lobbyist and also a former governor. I believe Obama is referring to federal lobbyists when he makes his statements. In addition, his distaste for lobbyists has more to do with the money they use to influence not them as people.
For you Clinton supporters claiming Clinton's 35 years of experience is why we need to elect her remember this.
Newly declassified documents show that President Bill Clinton personally approved the transfer to China of advanced space technology that can be used for nuclear combat.
The documents show that in 1996 Clinton approved the export of radiation hardened chip sets to China. The specialized chips are necessary for fighting a nuclear war.
"Waivers may be granted upon a national interest determination," states a Commerce Department document titled "U.S. Sanctions on China."
"The President has approved a series of satellite related waivers in recent months, most recently in November, 1996 for export of radiation hardened chip sets for a Chinese meteorological satellite," noted the Commerce Department documents.
These special computer chips are designed to function while being bombarded by intense radiation. Radiation hardened chips are considered critical for atomic warfare and are required by advanced nuclear tipped missiles.
Judicial Watch obtained the documents through the Freedom of Information Act, a Washington-based political watchdog group.
Several documents were withheld from release by the U.S. Commerce
Mr OBAMA......you can`t criticize FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON, He made the REAL CHANGE in this country., MAY NOT BEEN PERFECT but farmost the best who put this country, where you live in, In a great and stable position. SO PLEASE, DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND BE HONEST, DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT YOU ARE PREPARED TO BE PRESIDENT? THIS IS NOT SHOWBIZNESS, THIS IS OUR COUNTRY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. WE AMERICANS ARE NOT ABOUT FAIRY TALES, WE ARE ABOUT REALITY.
AS CLICHE AS THIS MAY SOUND:
" IT WILL TAKE A CLINTON TO CLEAN UP ONCE AGAIN AFTER A BUSH "
Between Hillary's "breakdown" and Bill's "Fairy Tale" they accomplished what they always have (and will continue to do)... take the low road.
I'm ashamed that women in New Hampshire fell for Hillary's very public "personal moment". Get a grip. This woman hasn't been real for 20 years.
That was absolutely dirty politics. So if Bill is going that way which he is going to do to make sure Hillary gets the nod, say the media was wrong about the polls that favored Barack. Think about the possibility that the media has been wrong all along about the black vote. He should not take black vote for granted. Blacks need a voice and Obama seems to be that voice for all races. No Black would win Iowa and no black would lose in NH by 2% (I know, I am black and I live in NH)
I thought this race was going to bridge the race and genders devide but I am skeptical now. It is going to get there and if Bill angers blacks, you know what?
Republicans are going to get pop corn ready. Bill has a potential to mess up things here. By the way, I like Bill and I also know that Bill is not running.
It was a classic Clinton manipulation. Make a statement at the last moment when there is no time for a response. Another example of why the Clinton's can't be trust. I'm frightened by someone that will do ANYTHING to "win" the election.
ASSOCIATED PRESS-Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has lot of explaining to do. He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive. He supported allowing retired police officers to carry concealed weapons, but opposed allowing people to use banned handguns to defend against intruders in their homes. And the list of sensitive topics goes on. With only a slim, two-year record in the U.S. Senate, Obama doesn't have many controversial congressional votes which political opponents can frame into attack ads. But his eight years as an Illinois state senator are sprinkled with potentially explosive land mines, such as his abortion and gun control votes. recent land purchase from a political supporter who is facing charges in an unrelated kickback scheme involving investment firms seeking state business. Abortion opponents see Obama's vote on medical care for aborted fetuses as a refusal to protect the helpless. Some have even accused him of supporting infanticide.
Tell you what. Hillary gets President, Obama gets Vice President, gets 8 years of experience, gets President for the 8 years after that. We get 16 good years of liberal, peaceful times before the pendulum swings back and we get some evangelical Republican invading some Middle Eastern country for Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Cheap Oil.
Everyone good with that?
Jim, that's a good point. I think we're making a lot of assumptions that we should be careful about. There are a lot of 'other influences' to consider. I'm not sure who to listen to except the skeptics. But now that you put it in that context, it's totally possible.
I still have hope for an Obama nomination. Hillary is the same problem we have now (to some degree) but in Democratic clothes and the GOP is absolutely pathetic and in line with Bush and his failed policies.
I was so happy that finally LOU and Carfetty realized how wrong they were on their opinion about Clinton. That is why you should always be objective and not subjective on matters like these. I hope this changes the tone in the media world. I have been a fan of CNN because I thought they were fair and balanced, but they seemed to have teamed up with the Fox news to punch on the Clintons.
Look, for the last 8 years Hannity has nothing else to say but to tear and critize the Clintons, he has made so personal that it is just so boring listening to him. I am sure he was surprised yesterday when Clinton came back .
Please CNN be fair and balance as you say, so as to keep the motto the best politacal team.
Hilary'08
Shame on Bill Clinton for misquoting Obama on the "War". He left out the second part of the quote, editing it for his own purposes of down and dirty politics as usual. Bill should get out of the way and let Hillary stand on her own if she actually can. She has made claim to all of Obama's messages and couched them in her own convoluted rhetoric. Shame on her. And to resort to crocodile tears to get votes. . .excuse me, but if you can't get them as a full blown woman I don't want you as President. There's no crying in Presidential races, Hillary. If that is the "voice" you found after 35 years of service we don't need it in the White House. Do your crying in the bathroom, Honey.
As for those "Desperate Housewives" who fell for it (I saw it on CNN and laughed it was so unconvincing), they are simpletons. You can only pull that one once, Hillary; and you have the rest of the country to convince. You've already made up my mind for me.
Bill Clinton is ready to do anything for Hillary to win! Lie (which comes to him naturally)..twist words (like i did not have sexual relations with that woman) and do anything ..Bill knows that his marriage is toast when Hillary loses !!
I am happy Barack has not taken the low road that the Clintons are taking....crying and all that...
I cant wait for President Hillary to start crying when Ahmedjeinied starts acting tough with her or Chavez ...Now America knows why she would not talk to Iran, N Korea and Syria directly ..she will cry
"I'm not clear about what the contradiction is," says Obama. "I said from the start that Iraq was a bad idea. I also said from the beginning that if we were gonna go in then we would have an obligation to our troops and that's been a consistent position of mine. So, the notion that somehow that diminishes my clear unequivocal statement of opposition to the war even before the congress voted to authorize it actually doesn't make much sense."
NOT SO, Mr. Triple speak!
1) You did indicate that Iraq was a bad idea – however, you never were in a position to VOTE for or against it – one only wonders IF you were a Senator what your VOTE might have been – we will never know. ["Bad idea" does NOT really translate into TOTALLY AGAINST IT or VOTING AGAINST IT in political speak...]
2) You said you wanted to end the war, AFTER you became a Senator, and yet you VOTED for $300+ BILLION to support the war in Iraq. [At least one of our Senators, Mr. Russ Feingold, has the COURAGE to both OPPOSE the IRAQ WAR [AND] VOTE "NO" to funding it!
3) You said you would not VOTE FOR the Patriot Act; you VOTED FOR THE PATRIOT ACT!
Although you are GREAT at TRIPLE SPEAK, Mr. William Jefferson Clinton was RIGHT to call you out on your position(s).
I remain pleased that CNN – the OFFICIAL Obama news station – always gives you plenty of face-time with which you can further contort your asinine, juvenile messages.
Furthermore, although you will NOT win the Presidency – this is not the BEARS against the PACKERS – [You EARN the Presidency; you do not WIN the Presidency.]
NOTHING would really CHANGE in SWAMPLAND even if you did...
I won't be voting for the Clintons, I'll vote republican before I vote for Hillary. When Bill was in office, I had been warned how dirty and self serving the Clintons are and didn't believe it, now I know.
Got any cheeze wit dat whine? lol
Don't go away mad Osama, just go away
What comments? I was at the polls most of yesterday in New Hampshire and "No one" complained about these "so called" comments by Bill Clinton? I think Obama is pulling at straws trying to figure out exactly what happened to his "pundit-based" lead in New Hampshire.
Whats interesting is that Obama "the Teflon Candidate" is actually complaining about another candidate for a change. Usually he lets his Vice President, John Edwards, do that for him.
I always thought it was hilarious that Obama claimed, long after the vote for the Iraq War took place, that "he was against the war before the war". He wasn't in the senate during the vote, but claims the high ground that he wouldn't have voted for it. Nice back seat quarterbacking, Sen. Obama. And this occurred AFTER we deteremined that lies were told to Congress at the time of the vote.
Time for Action, not just Words,
Wynter
Wallace,
He did say that but what everyone leaves out is what he said next. Something to the effect that of – what he could say that with the information he had the case was not made.
Bill Clinton also lied about he fact Obama had not be asked about this. He was asked about on Meet the Press for one.
The dirty politics of the Clintons has turned me off completely. I hope if Hillary gets the nomination we have a good Independent candidate.
Poor Obama. I guess your wave is all washed out for now. Lets start to look at Clinton and Obama for what they CAN or HAVE done and not what they say they WILL do. Obama is all talk and New Hampshire noticed that. Clinton was down by 10 points in most pre-poll's and for Clinton to win by 2% is a BIG sign that she is the smart choice to run our Country. Now is not the time to "Roll the Dice"!
I do think a Clinton/Obama ticket would a win win for the Dems now. We would all but lock up 16 years in the White House.
Hillary 08!
Is it not already a proven fact that Bill Clinton is a liar ?
I think Bill played well in the wannabe Elitist state, the rest of America is getting disgusted with him and can not believe the so called more intelligent state fell for the absolute acted out crying from Hillary.
What scares me is that Hillary supporters act like the Bush supporters in the last couple of elections and that women, whom I am losing respect for, are being so biased towards having a female president but dont even have a clue as to her policies.
SYMPATHY VOTES WILL NEVER WIN THE TOTAL AMERICAN VOTE...YOU CANT CRY YOUR WAY INTO OFFICE...remember OBAMA is still up he won 12 delegates "Crybaby" Clinton won 11.
OBAMA 08!!
All the Obama supporters better go and look up Dr Wright and the Trinity United Church of Christ and what that church believes in, since Obama is always going on about his beliefs and faith, etc. I would be afraid to have him as a president.
I have never been racial, but him and his beliefs really scare the heck out of me. After reading about how because of Dr Wright he decided to join his church back in the 80's even before he became a Sen. well that just gave him a longer time to believe all those beliefs from that church. Wake up America before it is too late.
Barb, sorry Obama is the one who has been destroying the Clintons. Can't you see, read and watch what is going on? Be informed girl!
Hilary the winner whether we like it or not.
and he'll try with your kids next.
What? Bill Clinton lie????? Think the surprise should be if he ever actually tells the truth! Same for his ever adoring wife!
If Obama had been in the Senate at the time he would have voted "present" anyway...
All of the anti-clinton comments are from republicans anyway who'll support Obama until the general election... too bad people saw through your tactics in NH... only 12 more months of Bush!!
Al,
Voting based on sex is hardly the best reason to vote. I believe we'll be able to see a woman president in our lifetime, but it doesn't have to be Hillary. This country needs to break out of the nightmare Bush-Clinton cycle.
oh come on Obama, what do you expect. Bill is the master at this stuff. it's how he got there himself. guy is scum and knows how to work it.
Jim, there might not have been a mention of no Biden or Dodd meaning more votes for Hillary. But a few on CNN definitely mentioned the fact that Edwards and Obama are splitting the change vote and leaving enough for Hillary to pick up small victories over (Obama for now) either. They also mentioned that they wanted Hillary to finish 3rd or worse again and leave the race soon. Then they could ride with Obama as the only real choices and wait for him to falter before the nomination. Not only that, but the potential "change" vote in NH can be part of those 40+% "independents" who might have chosen to vote Obama (or Edwards) if they didn't feel more compelled to save McCain.
Back to the topic at hand, though. As Clinton has pointed out, you (Obama) can't say you're against something unless you have actually voted against it. Voting FOR it or choosing not to vote are practically the same thing if it passes. The problem is, she basically does the same thing. Honestly, the only person who is true to their record and is not afraid to back up their "opposition" with a NO vote is Ron Paul.
The way the vote was setup in IW do you realize that if there were not enough votes for a certain person those votes then had to changed to a different person. Unlike the Republican side where it was basically a straw vote and people couldn't change their votes.
It it had been that kind of caucus in IW for the Democrats then Clinton would have won, it was the second chance votes that killed her in that state.
John....are you only saying that because you heard Hillary say that? Do you have anything besides that to back up that statement?
I think people need to really look at everything Obama stands for, He should scare alot of people. If you go to his church website, it seems as if they are racist against the white people, and then on top of that he has all of the muselim background, HOW is that going to help the world. If you turn your back on the flag You surely do not need to run our Country!!!! Why don't you say your whole name when talking.
If Obama can't handle one tough question, whether or not it came from the ex-president, how is he going to run this country? I'm glad that I found the answer to that question before our primary vote on the 29th.
Everyone is soooo hung up on the Clinton's...get off of it and start doing your homework. Your going to put a slick talker (another Bush) into the white house that has no experience. Unlike Hillary, Obama has not yet to give his list of accomplishments, past and present. Nor has he said "how" he plans to make these big changes. I want to hear some substance from Obama, not a bunch of biblical and oh so saintly speeches.
What did Regan's resume look like when he applied for the job of President? How about any of the previous presidents for that matter? What made them uniquely qualified for the job? Were they presidents some place else? Does any amount of time serving as a governor, senator or congress person really add up to being qualified as a candidate for the highest office in the nation?
As for Hillery's record, what exactly has she done that counts towards being qualified for the presidency? As a New York State resident, I am still trying to understand what she has really done for me. We are losing jobs and industry at a record pace, healthcare costs are still going up, the middleclass is getting smaller and we are still deploying our citizens to Iraq as members of the Guard, Reserves and active duty military. George Bush's policies are still going forward unabated and Washington has done nothing. That includes Hillery.
As for some of the other comments here, I would suggest some basic fact checking. For Bill Clinton to stand in the wings and snipe at Obama is really laughable. How he can cast doubt on Obama when he is the master of of denial is beyond me. "I did not have sex with that woman.." remember those famous words. To accuse Obama of being unclear or wavering on positions is interesting coming from someone who looks at morality based upon the definition of "it".
voting ballot fraud is alive and well in NH... another remake of florida in 2000, ohio in 2004 and now NH in 2008, all to keep the bush/clinton dynasty alive – this country is going down a tragic path...
Hillary Clinton's voting record on Iraq war is more in line with the Republicans than majority of the Democrats. Obama's votes in favor of the troops are correct. What happened to the notion of 'Support our troops'? The Clintons will do anything to win. They believe in 'no holds barred'. I am an undecided independent voter, but I will not vote for HRC if she gets the nomination. The Clinton era is over.
Charisma, charm, and the ability to captivate an audience do make a president. That being said, and all things being equal, I'd prefer someone who can speak well and is charismatic over the opposite. Bill Clinton had these qualities, and simply put, his wife does not.
I think Clinton has more experience. I also think she's knows her stuff. Push come to shove, I will be forced to vote for her for President simply based on the fact that I don't see myself voting for any of the Republicans, especially McCain or Romney and especially since we've just had 8 years of Bush II.
The race will be interesting to watch and it will be interesting to see how long Edwards stays in the race. His votes, along with the Kucinich and Richardson’s should probably bolster Obama in the coming states, assuming they eventually back out.
I think that Bill Clinton is doing what he needs to do to help his wife. That's admirable, especially since she stood by him back in the day. That being said, when I watch H. Clinton speak you know Bill is internally cringing wish that he could somehow make her stop talking, or at least be moderately appealing. I also don't think it's going to bode well for the Clinton's that they're using the Terrorism Fear card... it's a page right out of Bush's Campaign Manual.
Clinton is an insider. She just is, and there's no way around it. She says what people want to hear, and behaves how people want her to behave. Her inner voice sound-bite makes me laugh because I feel like it's so scripted and prescribed that she'd happily change her tune tomorrow if she thought (or was told) that she needed to act in a different way. In my opinion acting like this is what lost the elections in 2000 and 2004 for the Democrats. They were very soft. Someone just needs to say what they really mean.
Spoken like a true looser.
Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that statement of opposition.
When someone hits you you fight back. You don't cry about it. That is how you win. Oh wait... Crap. Maybe I got that backwards.
What do you expect, Senator? Bill, like his wife, is a congenital liar.
Bill Clinton Slick Willy is the best at what he does ... master at hijacking the agenda ... forget about the real issues ... let all talk about junk and Britney ...
I think Edwards said something about being attached by the "status Quo" when they get behind. Who has fallen behind now? Look Obama, stop talking fluff, and start talking issues and record...oh I just remembered...you, don't have much of one. If you are "not clear" buy what Bill Clinton said, then you need to cut your losses and drop out now.
Margo, is English your first language?
Margo, is English your first language?
Why are women not criticized for voting for a woman because it is a woman?
Why are evangelicals not criticized for voting for someone for religious reasons?
Why are blacks not criticized for voting for a black candidate strictly because of race (as they will for Obama)
Yet whites ARE criticized if they choose NOT to vote for a candidate based on race.
Barack, saying that you "haven't been convinced" about the neccesity for war (to the NY times, some years back) and then (in the same sentence) saying you were "not sure" how you would have voted (had you been in congress) is called hedging your bets. There are no free rides to the White House and you should accept that your previous statements will be scrutnized – just like everybody else's.
Barack Hussien Obama. Now that's a name to fear. What better way to destroy our country than being the leader of it. Is Obama really a black man, or is he just using that to get votes. I know Musliem's look darker but are not actually black. GIVE ME SOMEONE WHO LOVES THIS COUNTRY, FLAG, AND WANTS ALL PEOPLE BLACK, WHITE, YELLOW, ETC... TO GET ALONG. WE DO NOT NEED A WORLD WAR 3 IN THE UNITED STATES!
Unite WOMEN....don't let the media or polictical junkies decide who wins. ALL the media has been absolutely a disgrace......boy are the male ego's coming out now....who is obama.....a young inexperience man.not yet ready to be president.its about time a woman is president.in turn maybe then all the male ego's will finally come to rest. i can't believe the bad things that are being said about hillary...if anything you (or we as a country)need to show respect...she was after all a first lady. the media had egg on their face last night..it was funny!!!!! the media thinks once again it will or can decide the next president...i think NH showed them differant.wolf blitzer has been terrible these last several days in his comments about hillary...shame on you wolf. if the male's and media don't have a clue by now...that us women will only take the trashing of hillary for so long then we will fight back,they better get use to the idea. you go hillary......let us women show the media and male's of this country how its going to be.....
If you really want to know where each of these candidates stand on issues, check the Thomas Roll Call and see where they stand. You can read what each Senator has sponsored and voted on to make a difference to the people of their state or this nation. Don't just listen to the news, read the facts as they are recorded for The Library of Congress, then decide who will make the difference. Here is the link: http://thomas.loc.gov/
My vote at this time is for Senator Clinton and it is based on her record and not on what I hear.
He lost by 3 not 2% and how narrow is almost 8000 votes? Any body want to have 8000 people over for dinner? Sour grapes is what I hear. Cnn and msmbc are so Anti- Clinton, It is un-real. Chris Matthews and Joe are whining about the race card. The best canidate won and they lost, end of story. By the way Joe, there is a reason you are not a congressman anymore. They found out you only have ears for yourself.
Classy and direct. Keep your focus Barack. I believe you will change the dialogue in politics. To bad the Clintonistas and their gang have such contempt for the truth. But, then again, when has either of them ever spoken truth to power.
And thank you for not pulling "the oldest traffic ticket ploy" like your main competitor to set feminism and the intelligence of the American people back two centuries. I can guarantee that the misbehavin' women in history rolled in their graves when they saw her hair and fashion crisis breakdown.
Haven't we already heard "how hard it IS" too many times from the current Dynasty boy? We know that; it just happens to come with the job. And, I guess it also depends on what the meaning of "is" is. We already know the the Hill and Bill meaning of personal. In Clinton doublespeak that means pander at any cost.
Yet another example of negative campaigning from the Clintons. Obama will rise above with grace and class again. He is still ahead when you include Iowa, and he will get the nomination! Obama '08!
Sen Obama is right , Mr Clinton did twist his words to help his wife, he is a very good speaker people listen. To bad Sen Obama couldn't reply
Oh my, poor Obama. Yesterday his foreign advisor was on CNN giving a different version than what Obama is implying today. Get your stories straight, Kids, if you want to have any credibility. Clinton was not off the mark on what he said but this sore-loser is now whining about being somehow wronged. Boy, is he desperate! Oh, wait a minute, he's just laid the ground work to ask for more donations from his supporters. Everytime someone says something that shows him for what he is, he runs crying and asking for more money. How long before they catch on to him?
I think thats a nice way for Obama to say "the Clintons lied(again)" –
Bill with his "depends on what is...is" – and Hillary with her support and non-support for the Governor of NY's plan to license illegal aliens...
Do any of the "go girl" supporters actually follow her campaign...or vote strictly on gender??
"Experience" in politics means you have been elected to a position....she has 6 years – Obama has 10 years of "elected" experience.....if you believe that hanging around someone with experience is experience...(first you're dumb) and secondly why not hire the plastic surgeons wife for that nose job....oh wait...you wouldn't – what a dopey argument
There seems to be a great deal of attention paid to the "victory" of Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire. But I don't see the point (outside of "coming from behind" in the polls.) She got more votes, but the delegate totals are exactly the same for NH. Similarly, in Iowa, her delegate total was only one behind Obama's and actually AHEAD of the second place finisher! Aren't the candidates vying for delegates, not raw vote count? Why isn't the media focused on that aspect?
Gary Lemmons:
You said a mouthful! Obama is truly not ready to run this country. It's going to take more than eloquent speeches to stand up against the GOP machine. He must have said the word change 100 times last night after conceding to Hillary. My question is simple, what does he mean by change? what is he going to change, and how does he plan about doing it. Just because you give a few speeches on change doesn't make you eligble for to president. I'm a black man, and I'm throwing my support behind the most experienced and electable candidate. Not the most excitiy and charismatic. GO HILLARY! HILLARY 08!!!
Bill Clinton say what he did to help his wife. She can't win this on her own.
The whole Iraq invasion could be viewed as illegal and now the occupation is leading to permanent bases which mean continued presence in a country the U.S. bombed into the stone age till whenever. So the troops would need some funding to continue what Bush Jr. should not have started given the search for WMD was not complete at the time...
Tomorrow he will apologize for upsetting Billy Jeff.
I get this is what you'll get with women making the dicisions.
Good luck america. realllllllly good Luck it looks like if this holds up his country will need it badly.
Some of the hate evidenced in the comments here are exactly why this country needs a united like Barack Obama as President. Come on people! We do not need to be divided like this. We need to come together. Why is it that we can only do that in the face of "disaster"? Remember how this country came together after 9-11, Katrina? Well, I have news for you – if we do not come together now we will be facing disaster. As you all saw in the 90's a Clinton Administration will, not by any fault of theirs, continue to divide the country. WE CANNOT HAVE THAT! WE MUST elect a President who will unify our country and Barack Obama is the only viable candidate with a track record of bringing people from different sides of the aisle, different walks together and finding a solution.
For the sake of our country, the sake of our children – stop the hate, stop the negativity and come together for the common good.
Would SOMEBODY please just post a list of all of the candidates' voting records and previous failures and successes side by side and let us choose for ourselves? Isn't that what really matters?
All of these personalized attacks on candidates that NONE OF US HAVE any personal affiliation with but are just venting is somewhat frivilous since we need to ELECT a Presidential candidate.
We do not know these folks personally. But at least we can look at the record and go from there. The division in all of the parties is simple: too many opinions not based on FACTS (print the FACTS when you comment and make personal jabs at these presidential candidates!)
If someone who can get to the facts would print the FACTS then maybe we could make informed decisions.
Looks like CNN has a great start on lining these candidates up with their stand on the issues. Stop being opinionated, attacking and just mouthing off and be responsible.
GET THE FACTS. THINK. VOTE.
What is the "fundamental change" that Obama is promising? Certainly, "fundamental change" must manifest itself in something specific. Have I missed something?
McCain is a senile.
Giuliani is a crook.
Romney is a phony.
Huckabee is a simple-minded preacher.
Edwards is a slow southerner.
Hillary is a crying dinosaur.
Thank GOD or OBAMA.
The rest is wasting their time.
Can the media not produce the actual statement that Senator Obama made rather than just give us his say-so?How come we always get the actual statements made by the other candidates-video/print/etc,especially Senator Clinton,when there are contradictions,but never on Senator Obama?Start treating everyone equally or you'll cause a backlash against the perceived favorite of the media!
Bill Clinton was only telling the truth.Lets see .do you want a president who refuses to wear the American flag on him. Voted against english as our official language.will not put his hand over his heart for our national athem.A major network reported on air that obama is anti-American and was right.He does want to change the world! but it has nothing to do for the good of the American people! He talks a good talk,but put him in a debate and he has no answers,his speech last night after the election,if anybody noticed, on health care ect. sure sounded alot like what the OTHER candidates said at there last debate.Obama is not an American, just a U.S born citizen on a long planned mission.I cant trust him. To many unanswered questions.....
That's exactly what we need during the War on Terror....a leader who melts down and whimpers in public. The kind of voter who would vote for Hillary based on this is a complete imbecile.
I dunno. "Change" means eight more years of the Clintons? I'm not sure I understand that.
For Senator Obama to finally take exception to the Clinton comment campaign is amazing. The Clintons are running a multiple front ability to undercut anyone not seen in US politics. The next thing you will hear is that the Clinton's are just friendly adversaries and are interested in the wellbeing of all candidates to unite the party and make all their fellow candidates welcome in their new empire...Ah administration.
For Mr. Clinton to misrepresent Mr. Obama is nothing shy of business as usual.
What has to be done is for Mr. Obama to confront Ms. Clinton and ask if this is part of her ability to show her capacity in leadership and management: to the effect of controlling her husband and his aganda.
Infighting is always news: Mr. Clinton will come out of the shadows only long enough to cast doubt on other candidates and then fade into the background with hopes that this distraction will occupy valuable time away from getting out any messages from other candidates.
I am NOT a supporter: I am a citizen interested in watching and participating in the working of this republic and can see and identify a smear tactic when I see one.
Give me a break, Barack just can't handle when someone tells it like it is, grow up and come back in 20 years Obama. You just ain't ready for this.
I was sickened by the sight of Chris Mathews and Russett kissing up to Hillary after her victory in N.H. Just days ago it was glum and doom. This is America where we are proud to honor our flag and we will hold our bible.
What part of no does Edwards not understand.
I HAVE BEEN A DEMOCRAT ALL OF MY ADULT LIFE. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HILLARY. THIS IS ONE BLACK FEMALE WHO IS DONE WITH THE CLINTONS. WHO WANTS TO RELIVE ALL THE DREDGING UP OF BILL'S INDISCRETIONS THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE SURE TO DO? IF I CRY WILL YOU ELECT ME PRESIDENT? HOW STUPID CAN AMERICANS BE. SHE IS " BUSH-LITE", A WOMAN WHO STAYED WITH A MAN WHO HUMILIATED HER AND HER CHILD BEFORE THE WORLD FOR THE SAKE OFHER POLITICAL AMBITIONS. IF SHE COULDN'T STAND UP FOR HERSELF AND HER DAUGHTER HOW CAN SHE STAND UP FOR THE COUNTRY? SHE VOTED FOR A WAR THAT HAS KILLED THOUSANDS FOR HER POLITICAL CAREER. WHO NEEDS HER? IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN GUTS TO WALK OUT ON BILL AND SAY NO TO WAR SHE OBVIOUSLY HAS NONE. SHE TOO WEAK TO BE PRESIDENT.
I like Hillary. I think she's smart and has the experience necessary to be president. That said, she is still not my first choice. That honor goes to Obama because he is smart and has the ability to inspire people to do good for the sake of the nation: a quality that Hillary has in reverse.
People line up to oppose her. If she wins the nomination, Republicans will come out in droves to vote against her and we are likely to have 4 more years of this Republican presidency (probably McCain) along with several generations of our troops occupying Iraq (McCain already said that).
If she wins the general election, we can look forward to 4 more years of partisanship reminiscent of GW Bush because there are plenty on the Republican side who will do anything to see her fail.
The truth is coming out. Starting NH, Americans are beginning to understand that in politics, endogenous is more important than exogenous – that reality and fact are more important than rhetoric and body language or charisma without substance. Americans are beginning to understand that Hillary stands for what the President of the USA should be and not Obama with his empty promises. Obama's leadership leaves a lot more questions to be answered but foremost, how can he be an agent of change without experience? How can he change what he does not know? How can he change what he does not have? Experience in economy, healthcare and security are all in Hillary's bag and Hillary can change them for the good of all America. Obama has a bag of experience but it is empty. He has nothing to change.
My prayers and Best wishes to Hillary and I urge all Americans (black, white, oriental, hispanic) to support Clinton because they will never regret their votes. We did it in NH. NH understands that it is issues, not body language, which stands out in this campaign and Hillary is all about issues. Listen to her carefully instead of cheering at her and you will understand just like the people of NH did – the issues matter,
Bill Clinton is the original LIAR. Does "all knowing Bill; the Rhodes Scholar"; know the definition of LIAR? He's been convicted of it. He lost his law lisc. over it. He claim to LOVE blacks. And yet, he comes out and disses trash on a kind man. Worst of all the man can't keep his pants on; or his roving eye still. How dare that slug speak of ANYONE. It's his fault G.W. is in office because everyone voted for Mr. Christian-Conservative. He's not bright; but he keeps his pants on. Bill and HIlls are trying to circumvent the Constitution of the US by getting "Slick Willy" a third term. NO ONE is "entitled" Especially not you. Your legacy Mr. Clinton is the same as Andrew Johnson's "IMPEACHED"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Obama, don't wallow in the Clinton Crap.
Just what EXPERIENCE is Hillary crowing about? That she slept with Bill? Get in line. It's time for leaders that aren't still fighting the echoes of Viet Nam or the pathetic 90's scandals. All Hillary has is politico-speak for every question. As a progressive, I'd have a hard time voting for her, even if it was to thwart the Republidiots.
Go Obama, time for the old fools to retire to the lobbyist stable and move the country forward from the Idiocracy that has become the United States.
i personally like both barack obama and hillary clinton, so i'm actually torn between who to vote for. However, i'm almost inclined to vote for neither because i cant stand the back and forth banter they seem to be so enthralled in. And they wonder why so many people choose not to vote. if the candidates talk and act divided what kind of a message is that sending? I dont want to hear about what they think of each other or who did this or who didnt do that. Just tell me why you should be president and what you will do to resurrect a country that seems to be going to hell! talk about the issues that are tearing this country apart at the seams. poverty, unemployment, gay rights, education, healthcare to name a few. And one last note...we already know that change is needed and we know that the candidates are for it. Can we please stop using that word. hey! here's a word we haven't heard teamwork! oh and don't forget unity...hmmm! Two democrats are better than one i think! hint hint. We could have the C word and experience and 2 firsts either way you put it!!!
Most of Clinton supporters in this thread disgust me. HRC deserves better than you lot. I think Alan Keyes is looking for some rabid support, why don't you all check him out?
I agree with Wallace, from Chicago. Sen. Obama was simply being a loyal Democrat at the 2004 convention, nothing more. I'm a Republican, and I know that a lot of people in my party who might secretly disagree with President Bush in many areas, nonetheless would show party loyalty when being interviewed on national television during a convention. Context is everything, at least from time to time.
.. ..All of the top international media and USA television netwoks, radio stations and Top poll conducting agencies got the Democrats pre-voting and exit polls 100% wrong, not even withen error margins but using the SAME STAFF AND MECHANISM AT THE SAME TIME, they all got the Republicans pre-voting and exit polls 100 % right... very interesting....hahaha!!...can anyone explain...how many times has this happened in the past?
....i hear they run out of ballot papers and had to print MORE...!!
I live in the most republican corner of my state, adjacent the most republican state in America. Our values here are not in lock step with the church, but with honor, and perseverance in times of trial. It pains me to see how conflicted and divisive my party has become, and the fiscal irresponsibility that has arisen during 'our' watch. Ron Paul hasn't a prayer, yet has raised raised well over 20 million dollars, I suspect largely because of disenchanted republicans like myself.
All the daily quips aside, I see a level of honor and responsiblity, and humility in Obama that is very compelling. It is amazing to me to be stepping outside my party to endorse Obama, but maybe it's just plain time. And maybe my own departure, and that of so many others signals the beginning of bi-partisanship. If it is Obama that secures the White House, I hope the cabinet he endorses has members from all parties.
I do think there is reason to believe in this young man (46), who has the audacity to hope. I hope we haven't all grown too rigid to remember hope.
Martin from the Panhandle
I just want to say something to Gary Lemon about his emphasis on Obama being a JUNIOR senator...
Clinton is a JUNIOR senator, and has been her whole time as a NY senator... even though she was not, is not, and never will be a NEW YORKER. She's a power hungry phony.
The Clintons are a very sleazy couple. They will lie and distort to get power and support their egos. Please Please don't let slick Bill back into the whitehouse.
I voted for Bill Clinton, but I now support Barack Obama. Bill Clinton lied numerous times to the American people in the past, so I'm not suprised he would lie about Barack Obama now. The Clintons have lost my support because I find them playing the game too much and too well. Shame on you Bill!
I see all of Clinton's sheep have come out for the shearing. What a joke.
To set the record straight please read the text of Obama's 2002 speech about the Iraq war. Hillary talks of experience, I'd rather have this type of judgment any day: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech
Clintons always talk about experience. The first time they run against mr.Bush,
they were less known to us than senator Obama. Most of the people I talk to;
they tell me we are actually voting for Clinton not Hillery . She is talking about
Special Interests, if it is so ;why at the end of her husband's presidency she
Put the name of Mark Rich for pardon;instead of a poor man that his third strike
was steeling a piece of pizza. Because he was hungry and had not eaten for
three days. And by the law that was passed during Pete Wilson; any third strike
meant life in prison. That is obvious because Mark Rich's first wife rewarded
her ( according to Hillery) with a dinette set only?
I have been a business woman all my life I hardly remember to have taken any
insult from any of them. But Hillery stayed with Mr. Clinton to get up there. I
think she is a power hungry woman and has no dignity.
Also her famous crying ( which I have seen it times and times again) was for her
loss.
Also the reason that older women vote for her,because they have not accomplished
anything themselves. They are seeing themselves through her.
Regards to all of you who are covering the election.
I guess no one knows the process of the Presidential Election. Even so, Hiliary one New Hampshire and only by 2 points she is still behind Obama in Delegates.
Hiliary get one win and barely got that because Obama was on the tail her supporters thinks Hiliary got it sewn up!! This race is a toss up just like the Republican race. People are tired and they want change. Just because you are experience don't mean you do the job right. Experience got us in the slump we are in right now. It don't take long to figure out where our country is heading.
GET THE FACTS. THINK. AND THEN VOTE!!!!
Desparate people say desparate things.
1/9/2008
Obama still has 1 more delegate than Hillary Clinton. Something CNN or Fox News is not reporting by voice.
If women are going to break hard for Hillary just because she is a women
coupled with the racist vote against Obama, then I guess America will
have missed the boat Again. What does this really mean -
If McCain gets the Nod and wins the general – Much war
If Romney gets the nod and wins the general – Rich benefit big time
If Clinton gets the nod and wins the general – Division and gridlock
America please wake up to the possibility of beneficial change that
has a chance of bringing this country together and vote for Barak Obama!
Welcome to the world of politicking, Mr. Obama. Expect more of that to happen, not just from the Clintons but from Edwards too. If you can’t stand the heat, get the heck out of the kitchen. And I think your over-confidence showed last night, as your “concession” speech came off as a victory speech, with the “Congratulations to Hillary Clinton” paragraph added in at the last minute. Go Hillary!
It is clear that Bil is running for president and they both will do whatever it takes to get to Obama. I am sure that her negative remarks will continue then she will cry as she did before to gain sympathy. Anyone can see through this, just listen to the words used by Senator Obama to the attacks, he is calm, respectful, answers all the questions and does not flip flop. the Clinton's hunger for power will try anything I just hope Senator Obama keeps going and does not let this old tactic of negative attacks get to the campaign. There is still a long road to go and many states yet to vote in.
One thing is for sure, if the democrats send Hillary as their representative,many people like me will for sure vote for the Republicans.
So much Obama bashing!!!! Lets not forget that Hillary and her camp are doing more than their share of mud slinging!!!!!! Hillary does not have it sewn up YET!!! Edwards is NOT toast!!! If I remember correctly Hillary wasn't there for the Iraq vote either, so stop beating Obama over the head with it. Also I wouldn't be to thrilled about the Michigan Primary because only her and Kucinich are on the ballot so she'll get that state by default and not because she earned it. If she gets the nomination I'll have to rethink my vote because she's nothing more the Bush lite. I'm ready for a women president but not if it's her. I gave her serious conceration early on but since I found out she has basically locked the press out
and her people have been uncooperative, the planted questions. I just don't have time for her. I don't like her health care because it doesn't put regulations on the insurance companies. I work in heatlh care and insurance companies are now
the biggest culprits in rising healthcare costs. If they'd spent less time trying to avoid paying the bill by illegal denials and stall tactics and the CEO's were not
so greedy we wouldn't even need health care reform.
Obama needs to get used to the Clintons twisting the truth. He will also need to constantly point out the lies coming out of the Clintons. Americans, apparently, don't pay attention to character.
What friggin experience does Hillary supposedly have? she has as little as anyone else around here. If people honestly want experience then the vote should go to McCain, Paul, Biden... these people have experience. Hillary doesn't have any more experience being an actual LEADER than anyone else does
Amazing how when one camp has negatives to say, then the other camp feels the need to respond just as negatively. All the candidates need to grow up!!!! This is life in the real world. Not everyone is going to like you or even believe you. The Aerican people will see through the phonies. Even the Christian ones!!!!!!!
I've read Obama's books and listened to his speaches and frankly he is more like Bill Clinton was at the same age when he ran for president than Hillery is today. Bill made a good president, he was intelligent the same way that Obama is, they are both excellent speakers and they both connect with people. I don't see why everyone is giving "experience" credit to Hillery for time as First Lady and if anyone can polerize the opposition she is the one. I don't think the american public is going to love the idea of Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton when we have another articulate candidate who seems to be able to better unite the country. I have been struck by the presidential nature of the Obama speaches after both the Iowa and New Hampshire votes and think he has raised the nature of the contest to a new level of decency – this is the kind of person we need to lead our nation. And I really like the fact that he has raised his campaign money from little folks and rejected taking money from the PACs. This is the first time anyone has seriously bucked the system and had a real chance to become president in my fourty years of voting and I'm strongly leaning toward his canadency. And like he said last night – these are all honorable people who are running, so why all the expressions of hate and disrespect – please, we should be better than that.
I have to speak out on this. I am a 29 year old professional African-American woman that loved the Clintons. However, I am DISGUSTED by how low they have gone to win. Last night me and 4 other of my family members in different parts of this country were so upset with how low the CLintons have gone.
As a family we have said that we love this race because we felt that Obama or Clinton as president would be great. BUT Clinton, in his disgusting comments yesterday, was the straw that broke the camel's back. So now if Obama does not win the nomination I am DEFINATELY voting republican. I feel as though Bill Clinton's comments were so low that I can not support his wife.
Listen to black radio A LOT of blacks were calling in and expressing their disgust with Bill Clinton. And I can tell you for me and several members of my family it was just enough to send us to the GOP IF Hillary wins the nomination.
Its pretty clear who CNN is rooting for in the democratic nomination process. Even when Mrs. Clinton won last night, CNN's "Best Political Team" made sure to repeatedly stress that Obama lost by a small margin. CNN, please be journalists and stop being opinionated – You are supposed to bring unbiased news to the people, not actually create the news according to your whims.
Obama needs to be VP first before he can be president. I personally think he has potential, but he also needs some experience. Given the 8 years of Bush rule, it is pretty evident that we need someone with considerable experience to steer America out of her problems and improve America's standing in an increasingly multipolar world. Maybe its just me, but I don't think a Junior senator with 2 years of experience is well equipped to become the president of the United States. And all that 'Change' that he keeps talking – I highly doubt he can do much. Stop with your stirring speeches Mr. Obama and talk substance please – this is the US Presidency you are fighing for, not some basketball team that you are coaching.
Obama's only real political experience is state. Do any of you even know what a mess IL is? It is embarassing and I am saying that as a lifelong resident. With that on the resume I would never vote for him- that would be like voting for Daley as president- a horrible thought.
Hilary has it locked down. Seriously.
And SOOOO, guess you'd prefer to be the only one speaking with forked tongue. Be very careful people, be VERY careful. We don't know this guy. Only a senator for 2 years ... was reportedly lazy ... usually just voted "present". Dear me. To think he has mesmerized so many people who have yet to find out, or bothered to do the research, what he really plans to do – or what he HAS done.
Wether Obama was in the senate to cast a vote or not, he was against the war from the beginning. Hillary voted for the war and she was in the senate and could have voted against it. She now says she will have the Generals decide how to "start" to bring the troops home. Translation--the Generals want to keep the troops in Iraq and I will do what they say!
Barack is showing his immaturity and lack of experience at every opportunity.
Whether Bill Clinton took liberties with his words is really not the issue here.
Barack has slammed Hillary on more than one occassion. If you want to dish it out you should learn how to take it first.
The issue on Barack's comments regarding the Iraq War is a Non-Issue. Barack apparently didn't feel the Iraq War was important enough to vote on so why all the hype now? If he wanted to take a stand on the Iraq War he should have found time to vote on it. And that was not the only vote Barack missed!
When there are votes on important issues that have the potential of "CHANGING" America's Economy, Security, and Military Safety Barack's No Show Present doesn't cut it.
Isn't HE THE ONE CONTINUALLY CHANTING "CHANGE" "WE CAN DO IT." Well, in my view his lip service to CHANGE and WE CAN DO IT leaves much to be desired.
For instance, HIS PLAN FOR CHANGE? No one knows as he has never spoken to that issue. HOW DOES HE PLAN TO CARRY IT OUT? No one knows. He has never spoken to that issue. HOW HE IS GOING TO END THE WAR IN IRAQ? No one knows He has never spoken to that issue. HOW DOES HE PLANS TO SEND THE TROOPS HOME,? No one knows. He has never spoken to that issue. HOW IS HE GOING TO BRING ABOUT PEACE,? No one knows, he has never spoken to that issue. HOW IS HE GOING TO MAKE AMERICA THE NATION WE WERE ONCE PROUD OF? No one knows, He has never spoken to that issue.
I could run for President too if all it takes is lip service and a few good catchy phrases like; " I WILL" and "America Wants Change" and "We Can Do it" with nothing to back up my Campaign Promises short of Good Looks and my race!
Barack needs to drum up and put in place a few strategies to go with his idle promises (chatter). If I was Michelle I might be concerned about his "I WILL." Hopefully he is taking his marriage vows more serious than his Campaign Promises!
I WILL not take any more of my time commenting on Barack Obama. As untill he puts some substance behind his promises he is just another Wanna Be President with nothing to offer America short of a good vocabulary, public speaking skills, a bit of Charisma and a face that is easy to look at. NEXT.
The sad thing is that people below are posting statements about this election being woman vs. man. That is the exact reason that I will not EVER vote for Hillary Clinton – this is not some agenda about equal rights you idiots, this is about who will make the best decisions for our country, put his or her own agenda's aside, and choose to make this country better for those who live in it.
The fact that people are posting women say they will vote for Hillary just because she is a woman, or that women have taken on hard jobs for a long time and can handle a tough job like being president – what is wrong with you all? Vote for the person who is most likely to improve our country, not for the person who will make things more equal, not for man vs woman, or black vs white.
If ANYTHING in my mind, Hillary has hurt her chances because such a huge deal is made out of her agenda to be the first woman president. The drama and agenda that she brings with her every where she goes, needs to be left out of the whitehouse, regardless of gender, that's the truth.
While Obama has made some comments about using his presidency to REACH more african americans, he has not made it his agenda to focus on his race – he has made his agenda improving this country – that is why I will vote for Obama.
NASTY bit of editing of Obama's words by Bill Clinton, on the eve of a critical vote, where Hillary was faltering badly. If one actually reads Obama's statements, IN FULL, and IN CONTEXT, he consistently oposes the war, but says IF we go in, we should go in with force, and in THAT, his opinion is effectively similar to Bush's. Clinton's editing can only reasonably be construed as a corrupt cheap shot. He knew voters would not have enough time to check those facts before they were on the way to the polls. Just calculatedly nasty.
My one wish to all is NO BLIND ADHERENCE. Don't just repeat what conveniently suits you. Do the homework. Check the source.
Oh, and while one should never question or qualify anothers emotions,
THE CLINTON CRY, oh please!
I always thought that these kind of cheap-shot strategies were beneath Bill,
but I guess, not when things look dire. How very sad. Gotta say, the Clintons are sure shrewd.
Cry me a river. Obama sound just like a politician, blame someone else for your loses. Grow up Obama, this is a presidential race, you can go crying when you loses. If your upset about what Bill Clinton said about you, just wait and see what the republicans do to you.
Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton??? I wouldn't mind a change would you? 35 years of experience??? Isn't Hillary 60. So do the math. Are you trying to say that she has had political experience since she was 25?!?! Come on folks we're runnin out of Kool Aid.
Obama, where were you when Hillary was saying all of those nasty things about you two days before the election. You never came out to defend yourself. Now you are coming out to defend yourself after the election. You can't just ride the wave and win. By the way, I support you.
Obama08
The women of this country have awoken...go home obama
Note to you Clintonista sheep, LOSER is not spelled LOOSER as more than a few of you have posted over and over again.
It does however again PROVE the point that uneducated people are voting for Clinton in droves and the more educated Democrats are choosing Obama.
The uneducated ones are easier to manipulate with tears and smears and the usual Clinton lies and distortions.
The Queen AGAIN stole another candidates idea when she used John Edward's "Invisible" theme last night, no lucid thoughts that are her own in the supposed smartest woman in America's head.
She hammered Bush (again, the idiot is not running) by saying drug, insurance, oil and mortgage companies have all ben with him for seven years...
Google who are her major donors and you will find that all of the above companies give to HER CAMPAIGN in droves.
I don't hate All Democrats and I respect strong women, she has not earned my respect, but has earned my utter hatred.
For all of you who think experience is so important, when George W Bush was elected, he had very little experience. He was a terrible president. After 4 years he was the most experienced candidate. He was still a worthless President. After 8 years he is vastly more experienced at being president than any other person on the planet except a man who blatently looked the American public in the eye and repeatedly lied to us. Bush is now an even worse President than he was 8 years ago when he had no EXPERIENCE!
It is unfortunate that Bill Clinton had to come out to defend his wife. Is he going to have to do this every time Hillary gets in trouble – she needs to stand up for herself if she wants to run this country – is Bill running for president or is Hillary. As a long time African American Democrat I can see why so many of my African American friends are starting to leave the Democratic party and go independent and even Republican. The Democratic Party is getting stale with the same status quo figures – even the age old civil rights african americans leaders that push for the Democrat vote have a tired message that does not resonate to the African American community. OBAMA and John Edwards offer a new fresh look to the Democrats that unites people of all classes, races, and religion – they are shouting unity to Americans – something that we need after these past tumultuous years. Clinton politics are not going to the heal this country – never will they reach across party lines. Republicans have done more in putting African Americans in prominent White House positions (Secretary of State, Chairmen of the joint chief of staffs, Supreme court justice etc.) then the Clintons have. The Clinton tactics are getting nasty and classless against classier opponents, something that I never thought I would see against fellow Democrats in their own party – the Clintons no longer represent the Democratic party I knew.
Oprah went to Africa and built a girls school. Nothing wrong with that. Why doesn't she spend some of money here in the U.S. thereis a lot of poor and hungry people here to. I am not impressed with her support for the muslim or her show when she gives things away. I don't support or watch her anymore. Why do these stars think they need to but into someone else bussiness. This is America. Everyone is treated equal if they deserve it. WERE YOU NOT GIVEN A CHANCE?
Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton??? I wouldn't mind a change would you? 35 years of experience??? Isn't Hillary 60. So do the math. Are you trying to say that she has had political experience since she was 25?!?! Come on folks we're runnin out of Kool Aid.
For the Clintons to stretch the truth is nothing new. Their track record goes before them.
CLinton will resort to her tried and true negative campaigning and her position that only she holds the answers. This woman is SCARY.
I definitely support a woman for President but not at the expense of the welfare of my country
Why does 'Vote for Oprah' sound like 'Vote for O prah'?
Open your White house records Hillary. Your experience lies have already been spotlighted, what else?
to shanna: last time i checked, anyone born on American soil is an American, obama was raised for the most part by white folks from his moms side, his story is one of growth and change,and he inspires Americas future generation! no wonder most young folk in this country are disillusioned, its racist comments like yours that try to masquerade as meaningful thought, that keep on retarding the progress of this great nation, f.y.i something has to be done desperately, we are losing ground in the world in everyway, wake up and read the truth and for once please take a trip, anywhere but your backyard!
Slick Willie be very careful of your words and actions. Mr. First Black President, your political style has always endeared you to Black folks, and they've supported you to no end. But, now you see yourself losing real revealance in American politics and it's scaring you. Mr. President attacking Obama as vehemently as you did recently may backfire. Hilary is not you, and her black support will eventually lag if you all continue the kind of politics you're famous for. Obama comes off as a good guy, full of vision and prepared to take this country out of the international funk we've been in under the present administration. I'm glad Black folks are finally seeing that you have always taking them for granted, and merely used them to get and stay elected. This will be a very interesting year and I can't wait to finally see Bill Clinton losing the Black support that he's always had. Too bad for you Hilary.
I'm glad Hillary "found her voice" in New Hampshire. As much as I like Pres. Clinton, I now think he needs to go in the background so this can be Hillary's campaign and race..NOT HIS! She should just be Hillary. Her handlers have done a poor job.
Is anyone else disturbed by this superdelegate system?
I guess I was naive before – I thought delegates were responsible to vote as designated by the division of votes. Now, I find out there are certain people corronated with the right to choose whomever they want simply because they already hold positions of office.
It seems like a sure way to ensure those embedded in the status quo still has the final say in who is selected.
Maybe Obama should buy some stock in the SUPERsuperdelegate, Diebold.
A word to Obama, you shouldn't be surprised and expect more of the same. It is the product of the Clinton machine.
I find it mind boggling to that the Billary voters fell for the oldest trick in the book. When you don't get your way, choke up, well up and play the blame game. Works every time . Well, most of the time, but my husband doesn't know that.
Mr Obama need to couple with message of change with a vision. A vision of where he want to take us the American people and our Country. We place lots of empahsis on expeience, experience can never outweigh WISDOM. There are special people that come from the hand of the creator God, imbuded with special talents. Men like JFK, Ghandi, MLK and even some of our founding fathers. Individuals like these come along once in a lifetime and leaves this marks in history. Mr. Obama was never President, so he does not have the experience of being a President. Mrs. Clinton was never President, therefore she does not have the experience of being President. Since experience is personal and unique to each individual, both Obama and Clinton do not have the experience of a President to be a President. However, I do believe that Mr. Obama is that special individual for these times in America, with WISDOM that is devinely ordain to lead this Country of ours, to bring the country together, to create full employment, to take us out of War, to foster economic growth, to give every American health care benefits, to save social security for the elderly, to save american jobs from going overseas, and to provide prosperity for every american family. This takes God given WISDOM. This why every American voter should support Mr. Obama.
I think what I would want Obama to do, would be to put together a detailed plan for change that he is talking about and his plans to SUCCESSFULLY execute it.
If I am part of the media, I would examine his past track record in driving change through, under difficult circumstances (assuming such events even took place), because believe me, if he plans to execute all the talk we have heard till date, he will be going against gargantuan, entrenched titans. Prior track record is a solid indicator of future ability to succeed. I have not heard of a SINGLE event where Obama went against huge entrenched interests and succeeded in changing the status quo, after facing insurmountable odds. I don't see the media as having examined Obama with any degree of sustained scrutiny, either.
Without the above, all I hear are a lot of words and "inspiring talk" from Obama and "energising" impressionable youth, which by itself is a good thing. But, bottomline, TALK is cheap without solid past record of SUCCESSFUL ACTION to back up the talk.
I don't want to determine the president of the USA, based on talk alone. Till date, the media has totally failed the citizens of the USA, when it comes to Obama and that is a fact. There is a lot at stake here and we are past the joking phase.
It's good that candidates lose primaries once in awhile. It hones their candidacy. We need to keep the country engaged in this process as long as possible. Therefore, I believe that having all 3 candidates in the democratic party still campaigning is very important. It also divides the fire of the republicans. This is not a coronation, it never has been. I still support Sen. Obama!!
I find all of this discussion very confusing.
My confusion comes from the "gender" discussion. After long thought on this I came to the conclusion if it is wrong to vote against a candidate because of gender is equally wrong to vote for a candidate because of gender. You simply can not have it both ways. Once you get past this you have to ask what has Senator Clinton actually done – what is her record of 35 years experience? Not Bill's record but Hillary's record. All of her talk about her concern for heath care yet what is her actual record? What has she really accomplished, not just talked about? When she was on Wal-Mart’s board did she do anything to improve the life of the working person, including improving one of the worst worker health care policies in the country? As an elected official what is her great record (remembering that is NOT a 35-year record.
A strong supporter of women and women's issues? Is this not the candidate that outraged Iowa women by saying on the Today Show that women in Iowa can not think for themselves in a caucus system? (In my caucus there were far more females than males and they had no problem speaking up for themselves.) What a sad example of non-gender based politics.
Additionally I do not understand were all of the "quotes" attributed to other candidates come from. In spite of all the cry baby tactics by Bill and Hillary were in fact have their statements and claims been fact checked?
If anyone thought that Hilary's breakdown on t.v in NH was a genuine show of emotion you are all gullable. I watched her body language and listened to her voice sort of crack and I thought it was a low down desperate attempt to get votes. She never squeezed one tear from her eyes, and when she failed to do so, she lowered her voice to an almost whisper. She thought for sure she'd lose in NH and that was her reason for getting emotional. She didn't even cry to us when Bill got caught in a public sex scandal and I am supposed to believe campaigning and her love for USA brings her to near tears?
I think to myself :If she would stoop so low as to fake emotion, what else has she and will she lie about? I was totally unimpressed. This woman has ice water in her veins and totally lacks charm! I used to really admire her but she is now the senator of my state, and hasn't done one darn thing for NY. She had her eyes on the Oval Office from the beginning. I say stop being so ambitious Hilary. Just be a good Senator from NY.
Obama in 08
All is fair in Love and Politics. I am an Obama supporter, but I feel that Hillary did a great job in winning in New Hampshire. She has shown that she can take an eight count,and get back up and throw a knock down punch back. That is good to see. Now let us see if Senator Obama can do the same thing.
It is now a two candidate race. Let us find out who has the skills and stamina to complete the marathon. I hope that it is Obama, but if Hillary bests him, then that is who I will get behind in the General Election. We need this competition to make sure that we pick the right person to fight the Republicans. We handed the spot to John Kerry way too soon, and it turns out that he was just a sprinter, and not capable of completing a marathon. I am glad to see that we are going to have a real test this time.
The Democratic party is still the party of expanding equal rights and freedoms. Today we know that the nominee of our party will either be the first woman, or the first person of color. How great is that!.
Congratulations to Senator Clinton for a great win. Now we have a real contest, and that is good for the party.
Obama was not in the Senate, but he came out publicly against the rush to war. See the interview at http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/012595.php
This isn't whining. It clarifying a calculated half-truth not surprisingly aired by a frustrated former president. Obama was against the invasion, like he's always said. But in 2004, after the invasion had occurred, and while the insurgency was increasing and the situation was devolving, he conceded they should not pull out at that time. the damage was done. THis is not a contradiction. He has always been against the initial Invasion.
I wouldn't expect Obama haters to be objective (Clinton included). Keep the misguided hate flying. Your own ignorance gave us 8 years of Bush, so don't be surprised if you'll get more of the same.
Last night proved it to me! Hillary was shown in Iowa that you can not be distant with the American people if you expect them to vote for you, unless you are a Republician. She listened. So, Obama if you don't think that someone is going to not twist your words, and you say you have nothing to hide. Well, you are in the wrong ball game.
For the last 7 years, we were told one thing and what truely happened was that the select few lined their pockets. I am tired of the same old games. We need a President that will put American first, put my needs above some other country that has hate for America, and finally wake up and notice that the a majority of American's can't afford health insurance, new cars, or decent home. It is sad, when all I hear are promises. Hillary, you say you are here for change, and can produce, then GREAT – SHOW ME! All of the others are just full of hot air. Tell the truth, even if it hurts, but empty promises will help no one. There is a different from a goal or dream and a promise. You strive to reach your goal, but you depend on a promise.
Hillary cannot win a general election against the republicans in Nov. She is truly part of the Washington gridlock. The Clintons have a checkered past which all signs show the republican will expose. Obama and Hillary have the same record, so for Bill to winning like a baby-i have truly, truly lost all respect for him- i think he and Hillary are scum.
He didnt' support the war, but now he supports the war?
He voted against funding the troops, now he votes for funding the troops?
Thank you Jr. someone else finally gets the picture on Hillary's supposed experience too
She's trying to claim her times as "first lady" as experience.... that NOT experience, it may be experience in something... but not useful.
Thats like a gas station attendant who pumps gas for 50 years applying for a job as ceo at Exxon and claiming he has 50 years experience
Obama got Oprah ... Hillary got Bill ... Thats sounds pretty fair to me..
Obama's young he could run in 8 years from now.
I have so much respect for Hillary now.. This is the most incredible comeback I’ve ever seen.. No one could have done what she just did in NH..
She’s a fighter.. That’s the type of spirit this country needs.
As a supporter of Bill Clinton's presidency, I found his diatribe against Obama offensive.
Putting it in perspective, Hillary ONLY won by 3 points. Clearly, not a strong victory.
To Jr. in CA:
You are aware that Hillary was one of the investigating attorneys and assistant to Senator Sam Ervin in the Watergate Senate Hearings?
35 years...........YES!!!
Obama should become a preacher not a president. He paints a pretty picture! We all have hopes and dreams but how many have the know how to turn them into reality?
Obama....you're begining to make me sick!
two people have spelled "loser" incorrectly. i tend to only take seriously people who spell their Obama criticism properly...
as if anyone is consistent 100% of the time! as if voting record actually matters! the executive and the legislative are different beasts, and require different skill sets and different decision-making capabilities.
no one sticks to their campaign promises. obama has a consistent vision that has been able to unite people all across the country. his message and tactics haven't changed from place to place. he didn't adopt a southern drawl when speaking in a black church in the south. who did that? oh, yes, the same woman who happened to tear up when in a canary-yellow estrogen filled coffee shop.
The Clinton's are dirty campaigners. They will say and do anything to get elected, but once in office none of us has any idea at all of what they will actually do ...outside of enriching themselves. For this reason, this Democrat and his family want it known that we will not vote Clinton if she is the eventual noinee, we will, in fact, not vote for one Democratic candidate, punishing the entire Party for inflciting this pair of corporate rats on us. We will vote Republican, something we have never done before. All those "womyn" and the Clinton machine may succeed in winning her the nomination but millions of Democrats stand ready to ensure that she looses the general election.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELECTION YOU WILL SEE THAT OBAMA IS IN THE BEST POSITION HE AS EVER BEEN- HE SHOWED HE CAN WIN ELECTION- AND HE IS ABLE TO BATTLE ONE OF THE MONSTRUOUS POLITICAL MACHINE OF AMERICA-
WHAT IS HAPPENING IS BIG- THE CLINTON ARE DONE- THEY ARE HURT- THEY ARE FRAGILIZED-
OBAMA CAN STILL FLY UNDER THE RADARS...
NOW CLINTON WILL FACE THE REPUBLICAN ATTACK MACHINE WHILE OBAMA WILL WIN SC AND NV
Barack Obama was an Illinois state senator for 10 years and a US senator for 3 years. Hillary Clinton was a US senator for 7 years. Why do people claim she has so much more experience? Or are they just secretly hoping that they can bypass the Constitutional term limit and somehow have Bill Clinton back as president. Anyone who says Hillary is a candidate with experience doesn't know what they're talking about. The true experience candidates of the Democratic party already dropped out of the race.
I can't believe the posts I'm reading here. Zero research from anyone. If you "don't: like Obama, don't vote for him. But don't choose to believe utter falsehood without research.
Mike, Waterbury, CT – The only thing Obama had always said he opposed the war, but "like George Bush, now we're in Iraq, we should do a good job' – exactly like Hillary... and common sense.
Chuck, Ed – Obama WAS an elected official... yes, only in the Illinois State Senate, but he still spoke out against the war when EVERYONE was for it. It's on the record, and you can't argue that if he had SUPPORTED the war back then, everyone would be quoting him. regardless of whether he was in the US senate now.
Columbia, SC http://www.barakobama.com has his entire voting history and positions (Hillary still wont' release documents from Bill's years in the white house)
Bill and Hillary went negative. Obama didn't, and still only defends himself.
Hillary played the gender card ("What bigger change than a woman"). Obama didn't play the race card.
Hillary started using the word "Change" about 2 months ago. Obama has been using it for 18 months.
Hillary is inside the system. Obama is outside.
Hillary voted for the war. Obama spoke out against it (in no position to vote).
Hillary is polarizing. Obama brings others together (not opinion -look at the vote breakdown)
Hillary didn't ask her crowd to congratulate Obama after Iowa. Obama did after the NH win, and not only that, called *all* his opponents patriots.
We have an oppporunity to change the system... simply because enough Americans have chosen to believe in it rather than continue the same old partisan wars. If more would simply give up on fear,
After watching the morning after John Roberts interview with Obama I must say, he may lack experience, but he certainly dodged giving any straight answers with as much skill as the most seasoned veteran on Capital Hill!
I think Obama got bambuzzled, bushwcked. Obama did not land on New Hampshire, New Hampshire landed on him. The pundits were right in the pollings. No, I don't think white Ammericans lied about how they were going to vote. A few "defenders" of white dominated politics who had access may have deliberately added Obama's vote tally to Hillarys. I like Hillary, but Obama's message is the right message and the country should support him.
Well, it looks like Obama supporters are into slinging mud today. Sore losers. I bet it is hard for Obama to still look so cocky (which he does look milder and meeker today) under all the stress that he can't just run away with all the votes because the media says so and all of his time on MTV hasn't convinced all of the young people to vote fot the "cool Obama." This thing has just started and just because South Carolina is mostly African-American we have a lot of states to go. That cocky is going to wear thin.
Go Hillary.
why didn't the reporter include quotations from Bill Clinton? If there is an alleged discrepancy, as Obama claims, then why don't you set the words side by side? CCN is skewed.
I'm confused Hilary is accused of being a "robot" and when she shows some real emotion she's criticized for it. If Obama cried on the air Obama supporters would yell out that it shows how much he cares for the U.S. Please, get off your pretentious podium and see that politicians are politicians. Also I recommend that everyone read the comment by Garry Lemons,
"The media REALLY needs to start looking at Obama and actually reporting on his record (is there a record) instead of focusing all their time on Clinton. She has proven herself, has Obama with what, 2 years as JUNIOR Senator? What HAS he done as a Senator, what is his voting record in the house and most importantly PLEASE someone tell me what his plan of change is. I haven't heard a word on how he plans to do this…hmmmnnn By saying present when it comes to voting??? Your killing me with all this sticky sweet promise of change and nothing to back it up..charisma and good talks do NOT make a President."
I agree. This is why I have changed my positions on Obama. Too many good speeches not enough substance to back it up( Oh yes America, this should matter). In addition, there seems to be substance to what the Clinton's were saying about Obama considering he needs to address the comments on an interview(if they were wrong why address them at all?); if the comments left by the AP are correct on Obama's voting record. In the end, look past the celebrity of someone when voting for president. The last time America voted for someone because they thought he was such a down to earth cool guy we got George W. Bush.
Preach to the choir Obama. This is an election if you havent realized.
This just goes to show that Hilliary can't win on her own. She needs to ride Bill's coattails. Bill's tone changed the course of Hilliary's surprising outcome. Somehow, the Dems still purchase the tickets that Bill dangles. Perhaps most of Dem women would have liked to have their turn with Bill.
We have had a Bush then Clinton then Bush Administration.... Change is not another Clinton. Change is either Obama or Edwards. If crying and having Impeachment Bill gets the democratic nod for Hillary, then my vote will go with whoever comes out of the Republican party. i don't think the smear campaign will work though, and I still believe in Obama/Edwards 08
We have heard this song and dance from Sen. Obama previously. He likes to attack others, but tends to get very testy when the shoe is on the other foot. Sen. Obama was not in a position to vote on the Iraq war. Whether or not you like the choice that Hillary made, she had to make a tough choice and she made it and since then she has stuck by that choice. Hillary also had to make a tough choice on Iran. She chose to show up for that vote, make the vote and stick by her decision. She knew it may be unpopular, but she made it and has stood by it without making excuses for it. Where was Sen. Obama? He didn’t bother to show up for that vote. In fact, Obama has not bothered to show up for any vote that could be controversial. His voting record in the Senate is dismal. He doesn’t show up for the tough choices. He gives a nice speech. He talks about hope and paints a rosy picture of the future. But these are troubled times that call for strong leaders, leaders with clear vision and know how, not leaders with rose colored glasses and good speech writers and little else. This whining of Sen. Obama does not indicate strong leadership. It indicates a spoiled, arrogant, empty suit. Haven’t we had enough of that since 2000?
Obama was a Member of the Illinois State Senate at the time of the vote to go to war. He may not have had a vote but he had a voice and made his opinion known even back then. I liked and respected Clinton, but lies like the one he told here are different from whether or not he "had sexual relations with that woman". This is Bill Clinton calling SOMEONE else a LIAR... come on people. Love him or hate him Bill Clinton should never call anyone else a liar not even Bush and we all know he's a lying sack of ....
Way to go Obama!!! I'm gonna vote for you..for sure...First we had a BUSH President, then a CLINTON President, then ANOTHER BUSH, who has runined our country and brought us into a No Win War, now we are being asked to put ANOTHER CLINTON into the Presidency..what makes these two families think they are the only ones capable of leading our Country?? AMERICA is a DEMOCRACY not a DYNASTY....let's kick out these two families and get someone new in the Presidency..someone who can make a change and get our ountry back to being the Best Country in the World!!!! we need Obama!!!! break the DYNASTY and bring back DEMOCRACY
Obama is trying to have it both ways. The truth of the matter is that twice in 2004 he made condradictory statements about his position. First,he said that he doesn't know how he would have voted on the question of authorizaing the war had he been in the Senate. Then, he said there was no difference between his position and GWBush's position on the war in Iraq.
It would be something if the Clinton's alinated Obama's supporters to the point that should she win the nomination that they'd stay home. If his supporters could endure 8 years of Bush, anything would be better, and they might just stay home.
I think Obama got bambuzzled, bushwacked. Obama did not land on New Hampshire, New Hampshire landed on him. The pundits were right in the pollings. No, I don't think white Americans lied about how they were going to vote. A few "defenders" of white dominated politics who had access may have deliberately added Obama's vote tally to Hillarys. I like Hillary, but Obama's message is the right message and the country should support him.
Edwards should see the light and drop out then most of his supporters will swing for Obama. Why are democrats voting for someone who has no chance in the general election (Clinton)? A vote for Clinton is a guarantee our next president will be a Republican. I can't believe people fell for the tears and the "it's personal to me" Didn't anyone see the debate Saturday when Edwards mentioned how personal it was to him and went on and on????? Then a few days later it becomes personal to Clinton? She stole Edwards line and no one has said anything about it. She is chasing her tail and hasn't has an original idea of her in her life. See through the crap, people.
I am surprised that more democrats are not concerned more about the split in there party along racial and gender lines as opposed to the childish behaviour of a few. Which one of the 2 will be able to bring these sides together and keep the independents from supporting the republicans is of bigger concern. This election is theres to lose and I am afraid the world cannot afford another Republican white house. So please don't screw it up!
David
Canada
Mr. Obama, Please remember who is saying things against you, the same person who said he didnt have sex with her and we found out different didnt we. I feel sorry for those who have fallen into the clinton trap of dropping a tear to get votes. shame on you. Obama is CHANGE and Clintons are STATUS QUO, come on America
Let's talk about "JUDGEMENT" would you elect someone with a 3 time caught cheating husband/wife and decides to stay with them
CLINTONS will do anything to win I actually respected the Clinton's but their Tactics totally turn me off. Crying , Twisting words and playing the Gender Card. Sure OBAMA said on "Meet The Press" if he had the intelligence he may have voted differently. "MAY HAVE and WOULD HAVE" are different words and what exactly would we expect him to say as a Key NOTE speaker for the DNC and JohnKerry. Atleast he supported the Candidate instead of the Clintons who sat on the side line waiting for their chance in 08′.
I have heard the Clintons play the gender card and never heard OBAMA play the race card taking the high road as he should. OBAMA is a true UNITER as the POLLS indicate. The Clintons are so divisive that INDEPENDANTS and REPUBLICANS will never unite behind Hillary for the type of change that is needed today. Bill Clinton was fully understanding of the political climate during OBAMA's statements and he's also fully aware of the "PRESENT" votes and the REAL meaning behind it .Everybody on this board knows that the RIGHT WING republicans use the "NO" votes as means distract voters and SO DOES THE CLINTON'S. REAL DIRTY TRICK BILL! Blacks will begin to dislike you guys if you keep with the SHANANIGANS
I was worried that if Clinton is the eventual nominee, that the hateful culture and hate filled vitrolic rhetoric that is perpetuated by the republicans would put us back in the same situation that we had when Newt took control of congress. I guess I did not have to wait that long; it seems that the democrats want to jump start that hate machine on their own. I simply do not understand the hate that some people have when we are talking about political figures. Can someone explain?
Is Bill Clinton twisting words? I guess it just depends on what your definition of 'is' is.
Hillary, tell Bill to shut up and go home. Every time I here Bill say anything about any other candidate all I can remember is "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
WATCHING THE ELECTION IS WHAT AMERICA IS ALL ABOUT. THERE WAS NO FIGHT, NO SHOOTING AND IN SPITE OF ALL BUSH DID TO GOVERN THIS COUNTRY, HE IS STILL ALLOWED TO STAY IN THIS COUNTRY AND THAT IS THE FABRIC OF AMERICA. NO MATTER WHAT THE POLL SAYS, THIS ELECTION IS A GIVEN AND IN 2008 THE PRESIDENT WILL EITHER BE HILLARY OR OBAMA BECAUSE WE ARE SIMPLY TIRED OF REPUBLICAN. JOHN MCCAIN CAN NOT BE PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF HIS HEALTH. THERE ARE A LOT OFISSUES IN THIS RACE: THE ECONOMY(BOUNCING BACK), WAR IN IRAQ(SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY MAKING IRAQI POLITICIANS RICH/ PULL ALL THE TROOPS OUT AND LET THEM SOLVE THEIR ISSUES), ABORTION(NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE BUT A SPIRITUAL ISSUE), GAY MARRIAGE(SAME AS ABORTION), EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE, SOCIAL SECURITY AND RACE(KATRINA), IMMIGRATION(NOT A SPANISH OR A BORDER ISSUE AND ANYTIME ANYONE WANTS TO HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS SUBJECT, CHECK YOUR ROOTS AND WE ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS WHO HAPPENED TO BE AMERICAN). I DID NOT LIKE WHAT FORMER PRESIIDENT CLINTON SAY TO ABAMA ABOUT HIS RUN FOR PRESIDENT, HE CALLS IT A FAIRY TALE AND IF THIS DOES NOT SOUND BIAS. SOMEONE TELLS OTHERWISE AND NO ONE TOLD HIM TO FORGET ABOUT RUNNING BECAUSE HE WAS AGAINST ALL ODDS. I BELIEVE THAT HE NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE TO THE SENATOR BECAUSE EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS TO HAVE HOPE AND BECAUSE OF HOPE WE WAKE EVERY DAY HOPING THAT THE VISION WE HAD SET BEFORE US WILL COME TO PASS.
JUST A NOTE
Last night Hillary said "I listened to you. I found my voice."
So I am saying to you today "please listen to me, and find your 35 years of experience."
All I will say is Hillary will not be the first female president because I'm pretty sure Edwards and Obama supporters will not vote for her. You can't win without the Democratic base, be very very careful what you say Bill and Hill to win the primary races because you do have to come back to us to win the Presidency.... Oh yes I have a very long memory
)!!! I'm sure Obama are Edwards for that matter will not except the V.P. post next to Hillary. Thanks N.H. voters for lying to the polsters, now we the people know who you are. A bunch of FLIP FLOPPERS. I was still trying to choose between Hillary and Obama well thanks for the help, I finally made up my mind. OBAMA 2008!!!!
Take it to the poll and "VOTE" for the candidate that will do the greater good for the american people as a whole. Dont be blinded by empty promises, we have had enough and have suffered almost 8 years of agony and the will of the people not being heard and soaring gas prices. Dont make a decision now that you will be sorry for later.
now imagine republican hate machine and obama's appeasing response. OK. now imagine republican hate machine again and clinton's "over my dead body" comeback. OK. Now think about 8 more years of republicans in WH if there is no STRONG and BATTLE HARDENED candidate. Choice in this ideal world is simple: give in to republicans WHO WANT WH A LOT (and will do anything to retain it), or get it to dems, but don't expect to have a rosy walk for it.
TO: Joe in Idaho
If Obama is nominated, I will stay home.
If Obama would speak clearly without nuances, and his actions were consistent with his statements then they could not be misinterpreted or "twisted."
If you state that you are against the war before you became a senator, and then after you become a senator, you vote for funding for that war then you have embraced both sides of the issue. You mouth took one side, and your actions took the other side.
Bill Clinton has lied before and he will do it again. He has lied about his affairs in the office and I can't believe Americans still likes and supports this guy. As far as Hillary, she calls herself a liberated woman but is willing to stay with a lying and cheating husband so that she can become president (and the crying thing, we don't believe it one minute). Obama, you can do this no matter what anyone says. The Clinton's has had their turn, let's give someone else a try PLEASE!!!
voting to fund the war (i.e. not leave our soldiers in the lurch) after the war has already began is NOT inconsistent with being opposed to the war from the beginning.
Bill Clinton is a disingenuous sleaze.
can someone please define hillary's experience besides getting taken along for a ride?
HILLARY HAS LESS ELECTED EXPERIENCE THAN OBAMA. stop letting these politicians spin spin spin.
i cant believe people are even considering putting the clintons back in office.
incumbency breeds complacency and corruption. there are the same people with the same ideas making the same decisions for this country and thats why we are going backwards.
BUSH-CLINTON-CLINTON-BUSH-BUSH-CLINTON???
does anyone else see this as a problem?
It was printed in the Aurora, IL newspaper about Obama's voting record as a senator. It was ranked as one of the worst. He has missed 15 or more votes in congress. How will he do as president is he can't function as a senator? Also, what exactly is he going to change. Change sounds nice, but we need evidence to back it up!
Well, this is getting us all somewhere isn't it. It is what it is. Hillary won – Obama lost NH. Many more states to go. Super Tuesday is coming up in less than a month. Get out there and vote your candidate for President of the United States.
Stop looking at the various polls, obviously they are not always right.
I watched the winner McCain give his speech. I watched Obama give his speech and I watched Clinton give her speech. McCain was the best. I found myself mezmerized by Obama and thought Clinton was unprepared. When I got up this morning, it hit me that Obama was sounding more like he was running for the head of the NAACP than a Presidential Candidate. Yes we can, yes we can, in different tones of voice. Mr. Obama you will never, ever be Martin Luther King. Is this how he plans to speak at his upcoming rallies? Hope not, most will see right through the rhetoric. You almost had me there, nothing like sleeping on a decision that needs to be made in my near future.
Mr. Edwards, I don't think you will get the Vice Presidency no matter how much you align yourself with Obama. In fact, I think you shot yourself in the foot. And please, stop with the millworker's son stuff. It is old, old, old.
A few posts back mentioned Cinton was trying to scare us with terrorism. Well if anyone is not scared, there is something wrong with them.
I am all for ending the war "the right way." Lets get this over with and bring our troops home. Dollars to donuts our present Commander in Chief will do something just before he leaves office so he can take credit. But, as someone else alluded to, only one year to go.
I don't know how so many people can make a decision based on religion, color or gender. You must vote for the candidate that will lead us in the right direction on immigration, healthcare, education and the war in Iraq. Figure out who is the best to do this and then vote with your head and not because you "hate" the others.
I am a black Nigerian man living in England; I like Obama and would definitely want him to win if Hillary wasn't in the race. So I was pleasantly surprised to learn of her victory in New Hampshire after having been written off by the polls. I know it's early days yet, but I hope she goes on to become President. Can someone please advise Obama to stop claiming he represents change? Both himself and Hillary represent change of one form or the other – either the first black President or the first woman President! But so long as the seat of government remains in Washington, you will be bettter of with a change that still offers a Washington experience (spell Hillary). Come on Hillary! All the very best my sweet Lady.
I'm for Edwards for a better US
Anyone that believes a word that comes out of the mouth of any Clinton or Bush deserves exactly what they get.
The lesson for Obama is that you can't afford to relax and get comfortable. Keep pushing full tilt until November. Obama may not be the best person for President this cycle, but he is clearly better than Clinton.
The lesson for Clinton is that there are some extremely gullible people out there who will believe your every lie.
Bill Clinton lied? I can't believe it. 8)
I am not against any candidates, but Obama, you need a lot to prove that you have experience to lead the country. I still remember during campaign season last fall you skip immigration bill vote, where others candidates went for vote. You have to explain where were you that time? hiding at your home? Why you didn't vote or may be you are are not sure to make a decision..
I was a BIG Hillary Clinton supporter until the recent shenanigans in New Hampshire. The Clintons seem to have no integrity. They accused Obama of trying to say he's another JFK or MLK, which was a lie, then spun his words on Iraq, as reported on CNN. If they are willing to spin, lie, and twist words for votes, I doubt that we can trust them to tell us the truth when it matters the most. I wish we had ONE politician who was truthful and honest with us. Not sure who I'm voting for now, but Obama and Edwards seem to be the most honest of them all. I'll never vote for a Clinton again. Can't trust them.
Guys give a break.
"The national media must wait until the rest of the nation hears their voice to declare the winners in the 2008 presidential campaign. And now they must find the guts to press all these candidates for answers on these critical issues, or they'll assure the American people will again be the losers."
Read this first: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/08/Dobbs.January8/index.html
Well said Dobbs. Change Likability Speech do not make things happen. Common candidates, debate on the issues and win the election.
Hey Mike in Waterbury...where did you see/find Obama's quote that in "2004 – you state that your position on Iraq is similar to that of George Bush"?
N.H = One more for the good guys.
Hey, I against the Iraq war from the start too. Unlike Hillary. I knew it was a bad idea when I saw it coming, I didn't believe ANY of the intelligence about WMDs, and I protested against it.
So if Obama's opinion doesn't count, mine doesn't either? I supposed that is why my representative and my senator both sent ugly form letters when I begged them not to authorized the war. Nice to see democracy in action.
Obama saw this coming a mile away. That's not a change in position, it's reading the writing on the wall before the sentence is even finished.
When I watched Senator Clinton crying I knew the poll will change due to women sensitivities and emotional.
This is too precious. Did he think no one would figure out he's a politician. His machine needs to review everything citizen's have access to. They are behind the ball on this. The guy loves to give speeches. What is wrong with them that they don't know there are recordings and transcripts of every word out of his mouth. It is easy to find the change in his words. He refused to talk about the war, he didn't state he was against the war originally. The interviews he had are on the net. He was against timelines before he was for them. His statements are on the net. The guys voting record is on the net. These politicians are ALL a bunch of whiners.
I thought he was supposed to win by over 10 points. MSNBC got it wrong and now they bring out the race card. What was this...... the best slap down by the American people of the MSM. (Yet another special interest group). Maybe now they will cover the issues.
CNN focuses on Hillary expression. Was she crying or was she faking? Did you get a load of the faces of Sean Hannity, Cris Matthews and Jack Rafferty? I'm loving it!
It's amazing what some people will do when they are desperate. Obama's message of change so resonated with voters in Iowa, that Hillary adopted it. But, voters in New Hampshire weren't buying it according to preprimary polls. How can she pass herself off as an "agent of change" when her campaign is still bogged down in the "politics of personal destruction" that she's always saying we need to get away from. Witness Bill parsing words and using insinuation. That's a tactic right out of the GOP playbook. It appears that win this election is more important to the Clinton's than the future of this country.
Now we're getting to real issues and his flowery speech won't be able to cover anything up anymore.
Twisted his words. Now the Obama camp is doing the spinning. How can bellow from every microphone that you've been so fundamentally opposed to this war from the beginning, but fund it over and over and over again. There is simply no way to reconcile that. And if he's the great uniter, why wasn't his first act once he got to the Senate to get Republicans on board to end this war.
And he's gonna fight tooth and nail against the lobbyists, yet one of his campaign co-chairs is a lobbyist. But wait, he's a state lobbyist so that's different. And how is he gonna unite everyone when his positions are so far to the left that they almost wrap around to the right.
I'm glad his record is being put under scrutiny now. He has to show what he has done and what he can do, not just make a bunch of emotional promises.
jep, has it right on.
CNN Best TV Political Team really screwed up...
Way to go LOU and JACK...
You guys look so good with a red face...
Wolf ain't much better...
I use to really like all CNN but now I watch other and better reporters...
Oh, shut up Obama! Now that your free ride is over, let the press begin to press you and Edwards on the critical issues that you "preach" about. Let's see how you hold up under their pressure. Let the voters know where you really stand on issues and how you have voted in the past. The press has had Hillary for breakfast, lunch, dinner and daily snacks for the longest time and they will continue to do so. Why should you and Edwards not be asked to explain what you say. And Joe, alienating people can work both ways. If by "chance" Obama wins, he will not receive my vote. I may stay home or vote Republican. I cannot vote for someone I do not believe. I do not believe in him nor Edwards. If Biden and Dodd were still in the race and one of them would win–I would vote for them even Richardson. Why? Because they are not only smart but they have experience and have the maturity to be President. Obama thinks this is high school. Runing for Student Council President against the girl! That's all it is. Big EGO!
Why do people even care about this stuff? Is voicing that Bill Clinton lied or didn't lie going to change that Obama lost or Hillary won? NO. Will any mudslinging get a person elected? Possibly. But remember, even in the early years of our country, mudslinging was used against opposing candidates.
If you are in a state that has not voted yet, then it is up to you to make the difference.
If you are not registered to vote or did not vote, SHUT UP because you have no business commenting on how elections play out, because, unless you have been convicted and have that right taken away, registering and voting is free. Exercise that freedom.
In response to Linda-n-Wisconsin...You need to check yourself. Barack Obama is a 46 year-old man who has many great accomplishments in his life. To call him a "little boy" is not only racist, it reflects poorly on you. Exactly what have you accomplished in your life that comes anywhere close to what Mr. Obama has done?
Man, I am so sick being called rich and having mediocrities demand I pay more taxes. I've been working since I was 13, held two jobs while I went to law school and am in an income tax bracket that pays 98% of all income tax. You folks in the bottom 50%, whether you're simply stupid or lazy, pay 3%. Look at yourselves, not me.
Hillary "won" New Hampshire by appearances (% vote). HOWEVER, take a look at the NH delegate count. Because of the "superdelegate" support, Obama has actually won New Hampshire!
I really think this could be a good thing for Obama: he hasn't really "lost" yet, but all of this Hillary attention will avoid complacency and rally his supporters to make stronger showings in other key states.
It doesn't matter what Obama said about the war because he wasn't in office to cast the vote to take us into a false war we didn't need to be in in the first place. Hillary was, and that's what you good people need to think about when it's all said and done. But, for anyone looking for the truth, what he stood for is out there on the record. Just like Hillary's vote for the war is. Obama didn't have the power in his hands to get us into this mess and Mrs. Cry-baby Clinton did.
The Clinton's have also done just about everything but say that Obama doesn't need to run for the office of President because he's Black. And, as for Bill Clinton calling Obama "The Kid", he may as well have called him a "boy".
Maybe now, everyone will see that the Clinton's have been fooling Black people all along into thinking that Bill Clinton is "The First Black President". Now it's true what he really is.
Media, in all its forms is the allowing factor in all of this. They print everything. Rightly or wrongly said. They don't check claims, they let the opposing parties and readers have to do the leg work. why don't the media show and prove these stories using the best resources they have, whether audio, print or video? Each format is not easily interchageable with the other. The media needs to correctly show/report/ research and write about this most important process going on in the country. stop just throwing claims of what any party or party affiliate out there says. Be responsible, be bigger, stop being the cause of argument and side taking.
It is funny how arrogant the Clinton supporters are becoming on a 2% victory in NH. Blacks are beggining to believe that there is a real shot at the White House for a Black man and not to mention the ignorant statement from Hilary about Martin Luther Kings involvement in Civil Rights. Add that up the Black vote goes to Obama, mix that with some independents, Edwards voters(Who will swing to Obama), and the Culinary Unions he will pick up today. He will easily win NV and SC, plus a win in Iowa, and a virtual tie in NH (remember Clintion and Obama split the delegates even, so I wouldn't really call it a victory for her) carry that into Super Tues and he is set. That is as a Obama supporter.
As an American whoever wins between the two of them needs to bring the other, because the voter turnout isfor the Dems. Hillary and Obama are in a close race and if they came together those turnouts will be 100 percent for them instead of 50-50.
I for one would like Obama to be clear on specifics rather than just making good speeches. Bill Clinton was the wrong person to call him on past actions, but someone needed to.
How does being married to someone count as experience? She's only got a few years in the senate on Obama. Hillary's campaign and supporters are becoming as warped as W himself. Good luck in a general election. Obama's positive message gets republicans and independants to convert. Hillary's smear tactics are polarizing even to dems.
If Clinton wins the party nomination, I will vote for Bloomberg (or maybe even McCain).
I think the American people need to take a real hard look into Obama's background before deciding to put him in as our President. I can tell you that if he wins the Democratic nomination, I will vote Republican this year, even though I am not a Republican. There are a lot of questions that need to be answered about his parentage and his religion.
My goodness...the Clinton's are so desperate. Billy boy and his mindless wife are the most pathetic examples of "public" servants I have ever had the displeasure of being witness to. It's amazing that the sheep of america (i.e. american voters) are blinded by their deceit and incompetence. My hope is that there are some intellectually curious individuals among the electorate that recognize that this pathetic country's only hope is BARACK OBAMA. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!
"Rhetoric: Sen. Obama Promised To Oppose Iraq War Funding, Then Voted For Every Iraq War Funding Bill
Reality: Obama Has Remained Consistent in Opposing a Blank Check for Iraq
Since Obama Has Gone to Washington, Every Senate Democrat Has Voted For Every Iraq Funding Bill Until President Bush Vetoed A Timetable For Withdrawal. Since Obama came to Washington in January of 2005, every single Senate Democrat has voted for every single Iraq funding bill that has come to the Senate floor until President Bush vetoed a timetable for withdrawal. [HR 4939, Vote 112, 5/4/06, Passed 78-20, D 43-0; R 34-20; I 1-0; Vote 261, HR 5631, Bill passed, 100-0; D: 44-0: 55-0; I: 1-0] 54-0; I: 1-0; 9/29/06; Vote #366, Conference Report adopted 93-0: R: 51-0; D: 41-0 (ND 37-0, SD 4-0); I: 1-0; 12/21/06; Vote #126, HR 1591, Passed 51-47: R 2-46; D 48-0 (ND 43-0, SD 5-0); I 1-1; 3/29/07]
After Bush Vetoed A Timetable For Withdrawal, Obama Voted Against A Motion To Concur In House Amendments To $120 Billion Emergency Appropriations Bill; Obama Opposed Supplemental Because "It's Time To Change Course." Obama voted against the Reid, D-Nev., motion to concur in the House amendments to the bill that would appropriate $120 billion in fiscal 2007 emergency spending, including $94.4 billion for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama said in a statement, "This vote is a choice between validating the same failed policy in Iraq that has cost us so many lives and demanding a new one. And I am demanding a new one. We must fund our troops. But we owe them something more. We owe them a clear, prudent plan to relieve them of the burden of policing someone else's civil war. We need a plan to compel the Iraqi people to reach a political accommodation and to take responsibility for their own future. It's time to change course. I opposed this war in 2002 precisely because I feared it would lead us to the open-ended occupation in which we find ourselves today. This President has led us down a disastrous path and has arrogantly refused to acknowledge the grim reality of this war, which has cost us so dearly in lives and treasure. After he vetoed a plan that would have funded the troops and begun to bring them home, this bill represents more of his stubborn refusal to address his failed policy. We should not give the President a blank check to continue down this same, disastrous path. With my vote today, I am saying to the President that enough is enough. We must negotiate a better plan that funds our troops, signals to the Iraqis that it is time for them to act and that begins to bring our brave servicemen and women home safely and responsibly." [Vote 181 Motion agreed to 80-14: R 42-3; D 37-10 (ND 32-10, SD 5-0); I 1-1, 5/24/07; Press Release, 5/24/07]
Obama Said That He Would Judge A Benchmark Supplemental On Its Merits, Would Oppose "Giving George Bush A Blank Check." Stephanopoulos asked Obama: "So does that mean next week or the week after when the war funding bill comes forward it doesn't have the time line for withdrawal but it does have benchmarks, you vote for it?" Obama said, "It's going to depend on what the bill looks like. I don't believe in giving George Bush a blank check." [This Week, 5/13/07]
SEP 2003: Obama Said $87B Is A Blank Check. "State Senator Barack Obama...said today that there should be 'no blank check for Iraq' in response to the Bush Administration's request for $87 billion from U.S. taxpayers. 'We should not have gone there in the first place,' Obama said. 'We should not stay there without an end in sight.' Obama challenged the Congress to 'stand up to the misplaced priorities of this Administration' by delaying the $87 billion for Iraq until the President provides a specific plan and timetable for ending the U.S. occupation, justifies each and every dollar to ensure it is not going to reward Bush political friends and contributors, and provides 'investment in our own schools, health care, economic development and job creation that is at least comparable' to what is going to Iraq. 'It's not just Iraq that needs rebuilding. It's America, too,' Obama said. [Press Release, 9/28/03]"
From this point forward, the gutter campaign tactics used by the Clintons in both Iowa and New Hampshire will be more visible. It will get dirtier and dirtier, and all the negativity directed at Obama will be based on lies. The Clintons lack the type of character we desperately need in the White House. That Obama is running a clean campaign is just one more reason to like him in the role of POTUS.
Yep– welcome to the political arena where the big boys play rough....
GO OBAMA !!!
I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST TO THE WHITE HOUSE...
GOD BLESS AMERICA...
NICOLA
ITALY
Welcome to politics 101.. As some have mentioned, though you claim to be against the war, you were not in office to vote for or against.. so get over it..
You just got roasted by one of the best.. (Clinton)..
Now, let's see the "change"..quit griping.. if you are what you claim to be.. then stop whinning.. and by the way.. it was Johnson that instigated the "change".,not Martin Luther King.. so give credit where credit is due..!!!
Crying baby....Hillary are you happy now? Go figure. I know one thing President Obama will never, never go on his knees in the Oval Office. Long live President to be Obama.
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This was a comment on my blog last night:
“I am so glad that Hillary won the N.H. Primary. This is about the future of our country and who best can lead us out of the mess that George Bush has made. We need someone with experience, know how, contacts,
and with Bill along, it’s a two for one win.
So many people in this country keep up on the entertainment world and not the real world we live in. Obama’s programs benefit the minorities of this country and the rest of us will be paying their way AGAIN.
Go Hillary”
I think this brings up some majors points:
1. Barack Obama does not have the “experience” Hillary does. He does not have experience voting for the war, for standing idly by while NAFTA was passed, and he most certainly does not have the experience of being despised by the 47% of this country who says that they WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON.
2. Barack Obama does not have the “know how” of Barack Obama. He did not “know how” to fail to bring the country Universal Health Care with the full power of the bully pulpit behind her. What he did know was the quagmire the Iraq War would turn out to be. What he did know was what he stood for, rather than changing the justification and message of his campaign with every new poll Mark Penn does like Hillary knows. Please, don’t talk to me about Hillary’s “know how,” not to mention all of her “experience.”
3. Hillary does have some great contacts. She also has 47% of the American people as contacts who WOULD NEVER CONSIDER VOTING FOR HER. Tell me how she’s going to pass legislation, not to mention get elected, with that many people against her. Her potentially useful “contacts” will be neutered in the face of the easy job the Republicans will have shooting down her every effort.
4. Oh yes, Bill. Who, according to a poll last night, 58% of Hillary’s supporters would vote AGAINST her to vote for Bill. Mr. Excuses. Mr. Self-Pity. He is tanking his legacy. Like it or not, Bill committed perjury, and while he should not have been impeached, we should not be inviting him back into the White House. If you think Bill in the White House is a good thing for the country, you are misguided.
5. Your final accusation, that Obama’s programs will only benefit minorities, has no basis, which is probably why you didn’t elaborate. It is the racism that is the resort of dirty politicians. Bill Clinton will use African-Americans when it helps him, and dismiss them when it hurts.
6. I know, what a shame that a person should have to “pay their way.” I really hope Hillary takes on your rhetoric. That would just be awful, wouldn’t it? No, see, while some of you folks believe government has the responsibility to take care of you in spite of your actions, Barack Obama (and I) believe that Americans don’t want government to solve every problem and foot the bill. We just want a government who wants the American people to succeed as desperately as the American people are striving in that “pursuit of happiness.”
I do agree with one thing you said.
This election IS about who can help this country recover. That is why Barack Obama will win. We don’t need another eight years of politics over progress, rhetoric over action, and despite Hillary’s latest campaign configuration, Hillary and her politics exemplify “rhetoric over action.” The kind of politics that as long as you can justify to yourself that you’re right in your failure, than success doesn’t really matter. The kind of politics that is content with explaining away health care failures, and her husband’s infidelities, with the “vast right-wing conspiracy.” Keeping red America pitted against blue America.
We need change. We need something new. Not just for the sake of change or for the sake of newness. No! We need change because what we’ve had for the last 4 decades isn’t working. It hasn’t worked for the American people! It hasn’t worked for the world! It hasn’t worked for white people, brown people, yellow people, purple people, people of faith, union-members, gay people, Republicans, Democrats, Independents…IT HASN’T WORKED FOR THE PROMISE OF AMERICA THAT SO MANY OF US BELIEVE IN! THE PROMISE THAT IS AT THE CORE OF OUR COUNTRY, THE FOUNDATION OF OUR DREAMS, THE WELLSPRING OF OUR HOPE!
That is why I support Senator Obama. Not because of his greatness, but because of his belief in the greatness of the American people.
Bill and Hillary are in it to win it. They're a power couple and Bill will use his to get back into the White House. They will also step on anyone who gets in their way. Those words were twisted and taken out of context. That was also several years ago. Bill and Hillary are very smart! Obama just got a taste of what those two will do to win. Bill isn't even the same this time. He's becoming an angry old man that's out to help his old lady! I hope that the Clintons don't turn America off in '08. We need this...Clinton, Obama, or Edwards. They've been known to mess things up with their egos.
if we all start actin like human being and get along with each other we get put the right person in office.this country could run better! what wrong with new change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are your scared of a black man run the white house.lol or your scared a women that would have the house in order.
Damien, you must be getting your info from the media. Where are your sources. Exactly what year was that law passes? Who was the President in office when this policy was made? What party was in office when this policy was set? What year did these transfers take place? Then tell who was in office at the time? Site your sources and please don't pop up with one right winger. Read multiple sources and see that are different views as to what happened when. Stop manipulating people. We'll never get the politicians to discuss issues when we can't.
Hmm. Wolf Blitzer clearly proved on CNN that Clinton was intentionally twisting and spinning the truth and Obama DID respond the same day. (I say intentionally because Bill Clinton has put out this lie publicly before and Obama informed him that it was incorrect, and gave the full quote that proves that).
This wasn't covered enough so that folks are even aware of it, yet Clinton's defenders keep saying how hard the media is on her and how easy it is on Obama?
Guess that excuse has now been thoroughly debunked. Better start working on a new one for why she's not doing anywhere near as well as was projected just a few short weeks ago.
Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. The corporate lobbyist's Democratic Dream Ticket.
This just shows how green obama is. he has twisted his own words. he dosen't have the moxie to be president. grow up obama and get some experience behind you. you talk a good game, but you have missed about 80% of the votes since you were elected. quit acting like george bush, get over it.
RE-ELECT BILL CLINTON!
Oh wait, we can't. Silly Constitution.
Wait, who is campaigning for this presidency again?
Bill came out swinging for Hillary, and he is getting called on a penalty jab.
Oh slick Willy needs to keep his mouth shut. Many Democratics I know, especially in the South, would vote Republican before Hillary. He must know she is unelectable. Obama just needs to stay honest. He is different and he does shine the light. Dont worry I have been canvasing in South Carolina Obama is a sure thing.
ex-Clintonite in the South
Is everyone forgetting that he wouldn't even put his hand over his heart to say the pledge about a month ago? Is that the type of Prez we want?
I think it's sad that the candidate that is REALLY going to help the middle class of this country is getting ignored while two people totally out of touch with real americans lives are getting all the press. John Edwards is the only one who speaks to me.
I guess if a woman runs for president or any office position all she has to do is cry her way in and play on the public sympathy..Wow I wish a man could do the same thing...
It's really sad to hear so many petty and nasty remarks regarding Obama and the Clintons in these comments. And most of these spiteful remarks are from the same people who accept and support all the devisive, destructive, and illegal things Bush has done over the past seven years, let alone his ability to continue his mis-deeds for another year.
We need to be honest about how bad things have become in the US, and around the world, and be thankful there are intelligent and talented people who
are willing to devote years of their life to bring America back onto the path of our true destiny for freedom and prosperity for all.
First a heartfelt thanks, and God Bless You to the people of New Hampshire for reminding the media and the candidates that it is the voters that decide elections.
As for Senator Obama, the only person that is twisting his words is him. Former President Clinton is absolutely right that Senator Obama has not faced the tough scrutiny that Senator Clinton has, and that Senator Obama has changed and continues to change his positions trying to catch "the wind that will carry him to the White House". That is Obama's change.
And please Senaotr Obama, and Obama supporters; refrain from the comparisons to JFK; because Senator Obama is not even in the same league. When he ran for President JFK was a decorated war hero, had met with and discussed foreign affairs with many world leaders, had written Profiles in Courage; and had spent 14 years combined in the Congress and Senate of the United States. Senator Obama does not compare at all to JFK.
Senator Obama would do well to take a quick reality check, even though he scoffs at the ides; and realize that his premature entry into Presidential politics may doom any future chance he has to be President.
And stop discounting us baby boomers in favor of the youth of this country. We make up more than 60% of the population or will in short order; we are the ones that in large measure have the money (even if it is not enough) and we vote.
We are also old enough and wise enough to realize when something appears too good to be true, it usually is.
The sentiment appears to be (not like it ever changed) that all Black people must support Barack Obama, regardless if his political positions differ with that Black voter. Any who deviate are fair game from the traditional attacks.But it would appear, not all Blacks are toeing the line. It'll be interesting to see if the effort is made to denigrate the "blackness" of those not so accessible?Among blacks, Obama's favorables are high (60 percent), but Clinton's are higher (85 percent). Plus, Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, have deep roots in the black community always supporting black community, they have allot of excellent history for helping minorities. Black leaders are not interested as much in Obama as one might think either, how does that necessarily affect what the general Black American population thinks of him? We learned in NH not to trust media coverage any longer. Truth is and some of you may have noticed Barack is not getting the automatic support from African Americans that many assumed he would get since throwing his hat into the ring for the Democratic nomination for the presidency and (Louis Chude-Sokei, L.A Times article) makes an effort to inform us as to why this might be true. Unfortunately, while it has a few good points it misses the mark in too many ways. The main point, Obama isn't "black enough" to get the support of the standing Black American leadership because of his White/Hawaiian/African (meaning NOT African American, but real African) heritage. all this goes to explain why Black leaders don't seem to be warming to Obama as far as this University professor is concerned. Obamas public line of thinking, all things black in the US threatens the lock on the dem nominamtion, turning away non-black and educated black voters who won the iowa caucus for him. The tides have changed Obama will need to use more than ½ of his race to get educated black voters to support him. He now needs to begin showing substance and back away from the preaching. NH is a perfect example of whats to come.
As a black woman i will never forgive the Clintons for using their slimy tactics to get their NH win. Black people need to wake up and see the clintons for what they are. Obama is a good man and didnt deserve this. The Clintons will pay for this in SC.
Obama is an inspirer candidate but he is not ready to lead. Hillary has the experience and leadership to really make the changes. Obama has not shown any specifics on how he wants to bring the country united, he just talks about it. . This is a mith. In true democracies you will always have a division. Bush brought this division when he invaded Iraque.
Obama is a great talker and is getting better everyday. He is trying to prortray himself as John F.Kennedy but he is not Kennedy. He has never occupied any public office and has no record to show what he is able to do. He should be Hillary's vice president and then in eight years run for president. He will then have the experience.
Hillary and Bill did every nasty underhanded thing they could to narrowly win the N.H. primary yet we're suppose to feel sorry for her. Hillary is the most divisive figures in American politics if she recieves the dem. nomination she will not recieve the independent and swing votes she needs to win the presidency. People don't like her because she lacks integrity and wants to win for her own self-serving reasons. Her husband wants he to win so he can fix the things he ignored (Al Qaeda) while in office, so he can leave a better legacy when he dies in the near future.
All people black and white need to be smart enough to really research all candidates and think deeply about their true motivations for being president. Obama may have the least experience but I truly believe he sees his bid for the White House as something bigger than he. He really will help others because he's devoted his life to bringing people together while Hillary has devoted her life to climbing the political ladder no matter who she has to marry, slander, etc.
We as a nation have become so complacent that we no longer believe in the American dream ourselves. Why can't Obama be president? This is America. If there is anywhere in the world were he could be president it would be here. If Obama does not win because he's black and not because he's not the best candidate won't that make us a nation of hypocrites. Won't radical Islam and others be right about us -we barge into their countries and try to tell them how to be but in our country a person can't win an election because he's not the right race.
Hillary is not right about Johnson being the deciding factor in realizing King's dream. We are the deciding factor -we are the one's who must realize King's dream by standing up and fighting for leaders who truly represent us and not lazily leaving our future in the hands of others. It's time for all of us to wake up and continue fighting for not just King's dream but the American dream.
I am disappointed that Obama didn't win New Hampshire, but am happy with the close second place finish. Hillary is not the "Comeback Kid" and didn't pull up an upset no matter what the media claims. Hillary led in the polls over Obama from Feb 2007 to Dec 2007 by an average of 10 to 20 pts. After Obama's win 9pt win over Hillary in Iowa, many of the polls re-tooled and pushed out new polls are soon as possible with only 5 days between Iowa and New Hampshire voting.
Hillary won over Obama by only 3pts after leading him by 15 pts for much 2007 year. This only proves that the polls won't be as reliable in the past due to the new voters Obama is attracting. Hillary supporters have to thank John Edwards for staying in the Presidential race. Edwards garnered 17% of the vote in which 70% of his support suggested Obama as their second choice. If Edwards would have been out of the New Hampshire race, Obama could have reached 48% with Hillary at 41%.
The Clinton supporters booed Obama's stance on the Iraq War because Bill Clinton has intentional been distorting (a.k.a. lying) about Obama's public stance. All the mainstream media has already confirmed Obama's position on the Iraq War back when Obama denounced the war back in 2003 before it started. The Democratic base that has been so anti-Iraq war that supports Hillary are continuing to be ignorant of her vote, because Bill Clinton has diverted attention away from it. If anyone is a liar about his position on the war, it is Bill Clinton. Voters in their 30s on up, remember that Bill Clinton has problems telling the truth all the time. This the same guy (President) who went on national television in January of 1998 and told America "I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN!" Then in February of 1999 got on national TV to apologize for lying to America the year before. GIVE ME A BREAK!
America the great has now officially caught up to third world politics!!
Congo – Laurent Kabila to son Joseph Kabila
Togo – Gnassingbe Eyadema to son Abass Eyadema
Pakistan – Benazir Bhutto to Son Bilawal Bhutto
Syria – Hafez al-Assad to son Bahar al-Assad
USA – Bush to Clinton to Bush to Clinton ... Congratulations!!!!
There seems to be a misunderstanding about the "inconsistency" of Obama on his war funding vote. Troops were sent in. Obama was opposed (if he was in the senate or not it is irrelevant). Once the troops were there, there were 2 options: 1) young men die doing all that they can in the silly war, or 2) young men die defenseless.
Obama was trying to vote for the least number of American casualties possible. If anything that is humane. He was giving up his self interest end ego, understanding that the war was going on against his will, and trying to help innocent soldiers. Understand the man, and then dig deeper to see what an inconsistency really is.
He stuck to a moral, not a position. That deserves credit and applause, and my vote.
Funny how the Clintons hammer Obama for his "experience"... that was the same tack the Republicans lost when they failed to defeat a certain governor of Arkansas in 1992. Billy (Bubba) Clinton.
What "experience" does Hillary have? Coat tail riding? Opportunistic politic-ing?
Elly
I rather hear we can bring about change more so then I will make change or I am change. It might only be me but we, can sounds democratic where as I will sounds like a dictatorship.
No matter who's the next president is he/she is going to have to work with congress/senate. It wouldn't hurt them to listen to the American people as well since we are the best form of government.
Personally I will vote for a we over an I anytime.
Looking at the exit polls people with higher levels of educations voted for Obama.
Serious!
i fully support clintons.it was about time that someone opened their mouth about the media and obama.so if it was her husband who has proved to be a good president and who has turned things around for our nation then be it .i loved it .obama has no experience . i look at candidates and i think, oh obama has GED and hillary has MBA with experience so ofcourse i m gonna vote for more qualified one....... go hillary ............
Who is running for office? Is Bill running again? If Hillary is she needs to step up and not hide behind her husband to defend her. If she needs to hide behind her husband, she needs to find another line of work.
I saw Obama on CNN this morning, this man hardly answered the questions he was being asked, he struggled in his comments. He is a capable man, maybe he is a good talker but that alone is not enough to be President for this country or any other country. He needs to just go away.
If the democrats want the white the best choice is Obama for the following reasons:
1. The general election is decided by non-aligned voters and Obama wins their support.
2. Obama has the highest positive rating of all candidates among voter (Dem&Rep)
3. The Dems need a candidate who is an inspiring speaker (the last one we had was Bill)
4. Hillary-bashers (many of whom I think are disturbed) are too numerous and won't change
Tearing Obama down is not the path to the white house.
If the Clintons truly didn't believe that OBAMA ' was against the war, WHY DID THEY WAIT TIL THEY WERE BEHIND IN THE POLLS TO REVEAL IT? Why not point something so important out earlier?
Why did she wait til she was BEHIND in the POLLS to show her so-called softer side? Crying and such!
Why did they wait till they were behind in the POLLS to criticize the Media coverage? when she was ahead in POLLS why no mention of media scrutiny?
It is because it was all a dirty trick? They will do anything to win! And in today's climate the open minded REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDANTS will never unite behind a TRICKY and DIVISIVE figure like Hillary/CLINTONS.
Last but not Least why was Bill Clinton parading around the country like he and BUSH Sr. were good ole buddies from way back? Why did George Bush Jr.in November 07 interview suggest that Hillary would win instead of a republican colleague? Why Did Karl Rove suggest it too.
It seems as though the same powers and backers are behind the BUSH's and Clinton's
Obama is nice. It is more than "twisting words", but "distortion of Obama's record" and the use of fear and tear. Whether the Clintions are losing the battle, they are losing integrity if they have it before.
Geez... what's with you people? Is everyone going to clamor that the election is a done deal after every state? This is going to be exhausting. Obama got Iowa, Clinton got New Hampshire, which brings them nearly neck and neck. There's plenty more states to go, everybody, please stop being so quick to believe the Clinton campaign's despicable theme of inevitability.
"THERE IS SOMETHING HAPPENING IN AMERICA!" Since August The Honorable Senator Barack Obama has been gaining increasing momentum. In late December, the Obama campaign closed a huge double digit gap in New Hampshire. On January 3rd, the Obama campaign swept Iowa and on January 8th in New Hampshire, (largely a Clinton stronghold) the Clinton regime escaped defeat only by the skin of there teeth by 2 percentage points but not without deploying very NEGATIVE, UNDERHANDED, and SUSPECT tactics which will surely hunt the Clinton regime.
Despite the inflated overprojections from most polls days before the NH Primary, CLINTON IS NO COMEBACK . Never place too much stock in polls, particularly when vetted against reason, and it was unreasonable to expect a nearly 40 percent voting difference over a 2 week time frame from previous steady and consistent projections. However, the Obama campaign did make significant large margins of gain. The Obama Campaign drew larger crowds compared to the both Clintons. The Clinton regime, should have coasted through NH but they limped out barely and it is reasonable for every expert to say that Clinton regime is underperforming and some triumphant comeback as the Clinton regime continues to lose ground.
"THERE IS SOMETHING HAPPENING IN AMERICA!" and it is can be simply put that the Clinton regime is losing votes and the Barack Obama Campaign is gaining votes and delegates. CHANGE is on the Horizon and "Yes ,we can be the CHANGE we want to see in the World when we BELIVE and VOTE for Barack OBAMA (A Champion for the people and the PEOPLES CHAMP!)
OBAMA '08
-CDR
Who exactly is running for president, Bill or Hillary?
If Hillary is running, why is Bill slinging mud at the candidates, and questioning the
candidates...shouldn't Hillary be speaking for herself, it seems that Bill talks loudest of the two...if Hillary "found her voice" was it in Bill?
Why does Bill Clinton get so much press coverage? isn't there a rule about
equal press coverage for the candidates in the media? All I saw yesterday
afternoon was Bill angerly pointing fingers at the media and slinging mud at
Edwards and Obama (and appearing to look desperate) with no media effort to
give equal time to others for a response. The media frenzy and mudslinging
probably gave Hillary a few extra points along with the staged Boo-Ho moment
since the trash talking probably scared others away from some candidates.
I truly, truly hope that the nominee wins not through negative campaigning and personal jabs, but rather through civil dialog and a continued passion for an end to the partisan division and fear of a scheming president that has been around for decades.
Whether it is Obama or Clinton, let us all seek to make this process and this election one of change and political reconciliation.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for polarity. She is more polarizing to this country than Bush. I guarantee you that congress will return to the republicans two years after her election.. if she wins. I've met many who hate her. And it is not her fault.. but she will hurt America.
Obama runs clean.. as clean as he can and will work to unite the country and the world again. Clinton's experience is not what we need.
Hillary is still in alot of trouble!! Obama closed a 20 point gap to 3 points in 3 weeks. It's obvious that Hillary's show of emotion made women voters dash to her side at the last minute to save her. That's not being sexist or anything, I just think it's the facts!! I could easily vote for either Obama or Clinton. Being younger though, I prefer Obama. But if Clinton is the nominee, I will wholeheartedly support her. Clinton pulling it out cannot be explained away in any other way, but that the emotional episode helped her. By the way, I really don't think it was staged. Clinton still has alot of work to do. Folks memory of the cry will fade quickly, but Obama remains a very formidable candidate and will probably take Nev. and S.C., which leads to a showdown on Super Tuesday. If I were in the Obama camp, I would be putting tremendous pressure on Edwards to drop out after he (Obama) beats him in S.C.. I think most of Edwards' support would go to Obama. What do you think??
Obama was not in the Senate at the time the vote was taken. To say , from a distance, that the war with Iraq was a bad idea is not an anti-war position. Jillary thought at the time it was a bad idea too, but gave President Bush the benefit of the doubt. As did 72 other Senators. It was Bush who pulled the trigger on the war not Hillary.
Obama's inspirational message is better suited from a pulpit in a church. It is not what we need in a President of the U.S. When he is asked to translate his message to what he would do on certain issues, he's not very different from Hillary. The difference is he HAS NO EXPERIENCE IN FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC ISSUES. THAT'S RIGHT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, HE HAS NO RESUME FOR THE JOB. I REST MY CASE, JOHN L CERRATO
4 years ago, we had a scandal with voting machines. DIEBOLD manfactured the machines. The CEO of DIEBOLD was a huge Bush supporter, and stated publicly that he "guaranteed" George Bush the election. It has been proven repeatedly that these machines can be easily rigged. Yet 4 years has gone by, and here we are again. What has been done? NOTHING. No investigation, not even a government study. Are you sure your vote counts????
Bill Clinton will do or say anything. He could never tell the truth. He is a sad person, one who will attack on his wife's behalf. Her crying was staged, that woman would not know how to cry. They both are pathetic. I feel sure the country will see that in the coming months.
How convenient that we neglect to factor who is actually commenting on either of the candidates. Yes Senator Obama is under experienced, but represents a new generation of voters. Yes, Senator Clinton is a perhaps intimidating character along side her husband, yet both are good candidates for this race to the White House. If you are a republican and wish to slander the Clinton's or Obama, more power to you, but please do it elsewhere. If you are a supporter of either candidate, yes please state your support, but done lace your words with menace.
What we really need to hear are those independents, those who will decide the vote in '08. Moreover, we need the facts on the voting records of both candidates, without the subjectivity of partisan candidates, and people manipulating others words...Clinton. Yet, we also need candidates who won't complain on the way politics is done...Obama...this is politics after all.
For those who think that either Clinton or Obama is tainted by lobbyist groups and special interests, in fact they both are, you just haven't seen the documents.
When you consider your candidate this coming fall, remember, credentials and potential, nothing more and nothing less.
You may criticize them for what they do now, what they did then, but consider more, what they will do for our future.
A.S.
Obama just got called out by Clinton by playing politics with the war. His own words prove it. I'm an independent, and I will surely vote for Hillary before Obama.
Iran is saying the incident with our Naval ships was fabricated. Clinton haters are saying Hillary faked the show of emotion. It's big news to seek out the woman who asked the question that generated the tears, that maybe caused the polls, the pundits and media to be wrong and what they found out was the woman respects Clinton but voted for Obama. Yep this is bound to be "the tear heard round the world". If Clinton wasn't as strong a woman as she is she would have broke down long ago with all the negative and mean hits she has had to endure. Ever hear of talk radio's "Stop Hillary Express?" New Hampshire voters decided to think for themselves. That's what we all need to do. Keep trying to determine who the best candidate is and vote for that person regardless of race, gender or party. Listen to talk radio today, are they going to be talking about the current issues, especially the one currently with Iran or is it more important to bring up the Clinton's and imply that any display of real human feelings is fabricated? Cheers to Lou Dobbs, no he isn't for Hillary – but he at least was early to acknowledge that he felt her emotion was real.
There are a lot of racists up in New England. Bill Clinton is just lighting the fire.
Now, Obama admits campaign/PAC donation linksBad news for the Barack Obama camp and his politics of hope clean-guy image.The Washington Post reveals today that there was, indeed, close coordination between the Illinois senator's presidential campaign and his leadership PAC, Hopefund, in deciding which local, state and federal politicians around the country were to receive thousands of dollars in contributions from Obama's PAC.Such coordination appears to be forbidden under Federal Election Commission rules because it, in effect, would give a candidate another, less regulated financial fund to influence the outcome of his own campaign. But Obama officials express confidence they violated no rules. The Post's John Solomon reported the other day that Obama's Hopefund had distributed money in the early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire to people like New Hampshire state Sen. Jacayln Cilley, who got $1,000 from Obama last summer. Six days later the Democrat in the nation's first primary state announced her endorsement of his candidacy because she said she believed in him.Likewise, Obama's PAC gave $9,000 to U.S. Rep. Paul Hodes, who was New Hampshire's first congressional member to endorse Obama. In the earlier story Obama spokesmen denied any connection between the PAC and Democratic presidential campaign.But today's piece alters that account and says the PAC has distributed $180,000 to groups and candidates in New Hampshire, South Carolina and Iowa and another $150,000 to similar destinations in states with primary balloting through mid-February.Bob Bauer, private counsel for both Obama's campaign and PAC, named names of those from the campaign who'd help select the PAC's recipients and professed confidence the Obama entities had met all FEC regulations.But Scott Thomas, a Democrat and former FEC chairman, says: "He is clearly pushing the envelope."
I am a woman. Voting for a woman just because she is a woman is incomprehensible! As Democrats we should select the best candidate. A candidate that will help heal this country, strengthen our connection with the world, reach across party lines. People should stop listening to the hype and actually research the candidates. Then all the Hillary backers would see she is nothing but smoke and mirrors created by the media.
The divisive politics of the Clintons will divide the democratic party and hand the republicans the white house. If she is the nominee, i will vote for republican for the first time in my life.
OBAMA'S FREE RIDE IS OVER. PERIOD.
This is why Bill was/is a brilliant politician. Make false/misleading statements to your opponents strongest base without leaving your opponent enough time before the vote to respond. Desperate time called for desparate messure and it worked. I, for one, find these politics deplorable and embrace the change in the way things are done that Obama exudes.
"Fools learn from experience. The wise learn from the experience of others." Otto von Bismark.
This guy didn't vote against the war. He wasn't there!! He gave a speech God knows where like so many activists, and we know he gives good speeches, in which he said war is not good. We have NO IDEA how he would vote if he was in the Senate, so whatever he said from the margins, doesn't really count. In many other situations in the Senate he missed the vote or voted Present without taking a stand. Of course, next he voted for funding to support the troops. Did he try to pass any bill or something opposing vehemently the war in the Senate? He had a couple of years when he could do it. Sorry, there is no twisting words by Bill Clinton, he just exposed the sequence of events followed by Obama.
If Clinton interpreted this as quite inconsistent, its his opinion. I happen to agree, other may think differently. I am not sure the term "twist my words" even applies here. This is about Obama's behavior not words.
sara splawn...
his parentage? his religion? oh, because THOSE are real issues. If that's what makes you decide about Obama, that's unfortunate. God forbid we elect someone with a Muslim father and step-father. That would be as treasonous as electing...a woman?! NOT a legitimate question. Question his positions? yes...his parentage? read his book.
Slick Willie ....zip your mouth
'sea' to 'shiny' sea, 'yes we can', blah blah blah and more blah, blah, blah. Obama, yes you are a great orator but you do not have what it takes to become president. GO HILIARY GO!!!!
Will everyone just calm down, puuhleeeze? Just a few thoughts here... during the Saturday (ABC) Democratic debate, Hillary's overdone, over-defensive anger started a classic Clintonian strategy with so few days left before the N.H. primary.
Next, change the scene – in a diner at a table with a very small group of women – notice the softer and more subtle lighting, Hillary is already leaning forward into the table when the woman asks, "How are you doing?" Pan in... closer camera shot... and the "cracked voice" and the "teary-eyed" Hillary does not answer the woman's question in earnest – she said "the opportunities.....doesn't want to see our country..." As a woman, if I have lost my emotional composure just a bit, one can actually see tears welling in my eyes and there is some redness and a few of those tears actually roll over my bottom eyelid onto my cheeks. And, my voice doesn't sound like I am trying to sound like I have a sore throat when I make a call to cancel my dentist appointment.
Next scene change – former United States President and husband of Democratic candidate, Hillary, is on the stage at a rally spitting anger, losing control, and name calling like a spoiled brat who needs to be put on The Nanny's naughty mat ! Hardly the decorum I expect to see from a former U.S. President and the husband of the Senator from New York running for their party's nomination – not to mention the embarassment former President Clinton created for our country in the eyes of the rest of the world.
Fast forward, scene change – Hillary's celebratory speech last night... now she is on the stage without Bill and Chelsea... they do not even approach the steps to the stage until she motions for them to come up... they are on stage only seconds to say they are proud of her and swiftly go back down the steps to their places in the audience.
Really, how stupid do they think we are? Just watch for more of the same.
We are beginning to hear some populist conversation from Obama and Edwards – thank you gentlemen! Let us hear more and let's drill down to the problems we face as a country, why we are facing these problems – this must be discussed so we do not allow the same mistakes to be made again, and please present a very specific and measurable plan on how we will solve them in a bipartisan manner !
Yes, I am an Independent Populist and I agree with Lou Dobbs – this contest has just begun. I don't know if the candidate who will raise the conversation and debate to this level is even in front of us yet – maybe so, maybe not. But, unless and until, I hear specificity regarding our country's problems and the specificity of a plan to solve these problems, my horse is still in the barn and it will stay there until such a candidate comes forth!
As a guy wants anybody but Hillary, I think Obama seems too slow on counterattacking Willie's twist. Afterall, Obama might be not that smart as much as I think.
Though his high-road tactics on campaign look elegant, elegancy won't bring "dough" similar to golf analogy – "driver is for show, putting is for dough."
Mr. Obama, wake up to face reality and remember most of American voters don't read NY Times. You should fight back all the snakes right away! If not, you'll be end up a dimwit loser. The end of story forever.
FINALLY BEHIND CLOSED CURTAINS NH GOT IT RIGHT -THE IOWA CAUCUS WAS UP FRONT AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WHERE YOUR VOTE WAS SEEN BY ALL- I THINK THIS ALSO SHOWS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN A NATIONAL ELECTION IF OBAMA WAS THE NOMINEE- HE WOULD LOSE BY A LANDSLIDE- ALSO I AM REALLY GETTING SICK OF HIS MESSAGE AND ALL HIS REMARKS AIMED AT THE AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTERS AND OPRAH PLEASE GIVE US A BREAK STAY OUT OF POLITICS( EXPECT OBAMA TO USE HER AGAIN) -CLINTON SHOULD WIN THIS ELECTION BASED ON TWO THINGS –EXPERIENCE TO MAKE CHANGE HAPPEN AND EXPERIENCE TO MOVE THIS COUNTRY FORWARD FOR ALL THE PEOPLE NOT JUST THE AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE- MY SUPPORT OF HUCKABEE IS REALLY SLIDING TOWARD SENATOR CLINTON THE MORE SHE TALKS THE MORE I LIKE HER.
Obama actually did respond to Bill's comments before the election, calling him out on leaving out the other parts of his comments. Bill took part of the Obama's interview during the last democratic convention out of context to make it appear that Obama supported the war.
He's a dishonest, two-faced person and I'm a Democrat, I wouldn't support him or his wife at this point. I'm also African-American and if she's nominated, you can count me as a no-vote. No to Hillary and No to any Republican.
This has become pretty comical I must say. The front running democratic candidates either break down and cry or whine about having their words twisted. Now the supporters on either side are throwing insults at each other.
New Hampshire was a virtual democratic tie people. Own it. Obama and Clinton both received 9 delegates. All of this "We won and you lost so shut up" junk does not make either of your democratic candidates look good.
As a favor to me, nominate Hillary Clinton PLEASE. She is so hated by republicans she won't receive a single cross-over vote. She is just as polarizing as Bush is. Hillary almost assures a republican president so please please please nominate her.
Now everyone is back on this experience kick and saying Obama doesn't have enough. Who does? Are we quick to forget that Bill was a governor and had no foreign policy experience nor presidential, what about reagan..what experience did he have, let alone Bush? But also have we forgot Bill got impeached for his deeds. Not this MAN of a president. Are we quick to forget how he cleverly tried to get out of that one? He actually questioned the definition of sex. Just look it up but he is a leader? Hilary is status quo and those that vote for her have nothing more to say but experience. Where is hers? If any of you have any education and use the tools that are afforded us, you will see that her so called experience is non-existent. Being a wife of a president doesn't allow you decision making abilities nor make you privy to world affairs. She wasn't even aware of Billy's "bopper" in the white house...how did she spend time learning about the oval office. Seems she was never there. She even said that if she were president Bill would not sit in on meetings because being the spouse doesn't afford you that. She said that! Kinda shoots your story right in the foot. I would like a president who doesn't have short term memory loss. So why do we believe that she has this white house experience? I think a lot of you so called political scholars are just watered down spoon fed scholars that drop pre-stated lies. I guess that is why many of you believed Bill's fiery speech filled with fear.
As for the media going easy on Obama, if you believe that you are truly lacking. and it proves my point that you only know what you are spoon fed. Does anyone remember the not black enough issue, the Iraq vote issue that many are still resurecting today ( geesh..he's explained that too many times...would you like me to recite it?, the experience issue, the muslim issue, the undercover alqueda operative thing, and the list goes on. What have they said about Mrs. Clinton that she hasn't brought about herself. Changing her stance on illegal driver's licenses, her stance on the war, funding the war, why she is running? She gets battered in debates because she is another Bush. Someone that can't think for themselves and just wants the job for legacy. I am surprised no one has grilled her on that acting job she did with the fake tears. You all talk about experience and so forth but I would rather have a youthful dreamer than a strong crier.
I think Sara and Ivan have it exactly right. Examine Sen. Obama's record. Anyone following his entire career in politics will see Obama's new found "new politics" meme is something the Senator has recently and conveniently come to embrace. Obama was old school politics as recently as 2006. Note his endorsement of political machine hack Todd Stroger to become Cook County Board president. Stroger proposed a 2% hike in the sales tax, a tax that disproportionatly hurts the poor. First of all, why is a sitting Senator mucking around in local politics? Second, why would would he endorse this old school candidate over another who vowed to clean up the legendary Cook County patronage system? There are other events in Obama's past political life that should be addressed before he is declared the Democratic Party's standeard bearer. If he is not sufficiently vetted in the primaries, the republicans will have a field day with him.
When someone stands on the sidelines, and isn't in the trenches, they can say whatever they want to say! Decissions on the war in Iraq were made on the facts at the time that were presented to the Senate, turns out they were a lie, but those who had to vote did so on what was factual at the time!
What has been done in the way of action when in a position of ability to act, such as Obama has had since becoming a Senator in '06 speaks more that sideline preaching! And since being in a position of action, what actions have validated the sideline preaching?
Obama stated if elected to the Senate, he stated to serve his entire mandate for his constituants fully and not run for President – Failed!
Obama on the last 300 bills before the Senate voted on barely 50% of them and only either wasn't present of stated only "Present" for the rest – Failed!
Obama stated no lobbiests control his campaign, yet a campaign Co-Chairman is a lobbiest – Failed!
Obama talks of Uniting, yet during the NH debates when on the topic of likeability was discussed, he doesn't raise his head from doodling when telling Clinton she is "likeable enough", how is that Uniting – Failed
Obama during the debates watched football over what the Republicans were saying in their debates, unable to respond to questions posed on what the opposition has said – Failed
Obama campaign played "signed sealed and delivered as the entrance of Obama at last nights address to NH voters after elections – Failed
The one thing last night proved to every candidate should be "there are no free rides," defend your position with "facts and actions" and make a case for the Presidency on more than preaching or likeability as that happened 7 years ago and look at the failures that brought to the White House!
Talking has now proven cheap and the media had better tow its line going forward and end their past ways of being followers and folling the public for ratings sake and start being reports on everything and not just the fluff stuff!
I got my FACTS Bahamamama i don't hate Obama like you hate Hillary but you did NOT do your Homework pay attention.
Here are the FACTS in IOWA
Obama 16 Delegates
Clinton 15 Delegates
In N.H
Obama 9
Clinton 9
Total Delegates so far for DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINATION,including superdelegates.
183 CLINTON
78 OBAMA
Hillary is doing fine.
You want some conch salad now Mama.
Your right Bahamamama Obama is a gifted speaker i wish him well, but when it comes to FACTS , POLICIES, and TRACK RECORD Clinton beats him by a MILE.
GO HILLARY!! Well Done!!!
Poor little Obama unable to stand up to someone your own size. Although I am an African American I refuse to vote for Obama because he lacks the necessary experience to run this country. Thats what happen seven years ago we elected George W. Bush with little and no experience and look at the developments since. Obama speech last night was more suited for someone addressing the NAACP. Why are we kidding ourselves America electing an African American President.
MiddleAmerica: You Posted “All I will say is Hillary will not be the first female president because I'm pretty sure Edwards and Obama supporters will not vote for her"
Great – I guess it's better to stomp your feet, act like a two year old and have another Republican in the White House than vote for Hillary if your candidate doesn’t win. I might suggest that you throw your tantrum if your candidate doesn’t win, but speak for yourself. I’m quite sure that you don’t speak for all Obama and Edwards supporters. All of them can’t be quite so juvenile. I sure hope Obama doesn’t win because I really think that he has nothing to offer except for lip service, but if he wins my party’s nomination, I’ll vote for him. Any Democrat has got to be better than any Republican.
I can truthfully say that as a newly minted democrate as of yesterday, the only reason that I changed my affiliation is because of Obama. If the nomination goes to Clinton, than my vote will go Republican. And in reference to some of the previous comments: with all the votes that have occured in Congress on the Iraq War, it seems slightly presumtuous to claim that Obama has not had his foot in the door. On a personal note, as a person who has a brother serving his country in the military...I would prefer his life be in the hands of a Commander in Chief that one can actually believe is telling the truth and will do everything in their power to protect and help the American people.
This race has just begun. In every election someone complains that they have been misquoted. Yes people it happens to everyone. Having said that I am really tired of hearing that Obama was against the war from the beginning. Well so was I but what does that matter. It is done now we have to deal with it. Bush did miss use the vote from congress to go to war so put the blame on where it rightfully should go. All voters need to go to the candidate that they feel best represents their beliefs. But to personally attack the other oppents like the Obama supporters have done to Hillary just shows ignorance. As far I can see they are all good people and love this country. They just have different ideas on how to lead this country out of the mess we are in. So make an informed decision on who to vote for, show support but no need to get nasty about other candidates.
Keep the faith, Obama. There's plenty of time for people to get over their amnesia about who Hillary really is. She can't really expect to cry in every state and win, can she? Oh, and nobody's strategy on Iraq is really all that different in the Democratic party. Though Hillary likes to mince words and come up with something new every time she's asked about it. Obama's strategy can be the same as Hillary's strategy on removal, since she's had about a dozen of them.
Obama '08
As a young educated Black man, I find that the propaganda behind Barack Obama to be quite insulting. I refuse to vote for someone who voted "Present" on 79 major issues involving this country touting sermonic prose about "Change." How about you be the change that you want to see? I am actually quite embarassed by the actions of most of my peers of ebony hue. The media is seizing on the stereotype that Blacks don't read in order to plant a weak inexperienced person in the White House that will get steam rolled. I for one am a registered Democrat but stand moreso as an independent b/c I focus on the issues. When the primary comes to the state of MD, I have no idea on how I will vote as of yet, but I would prefer to hear about the issues. Barack, my brother, though we are both Christians, we differ strongly on the moral issues (abortion and gay rights). I was actually willing to give you a listen, but you have failed to state a plan for change. In my honest opinion, I feel that a vote for Barack is throwing away your vote for a change in American politics. Folks, PLEASE, do your homework before you get swept into a growing fad.
When are people going to realize the CLintons are scum of the earth. Yesterday Bill Clinton started crying about the election process because he thought she was going to lose. She FAKE cried because her handlers told her she was too mean on Saturday night. They all started looking to change up their internal people because they thought they were gonna lose. And a new Hillary 5.0 was coming out which was going to attack Obama.
This family will do and say anything to get power. WAKE UP PEOPLE. This is exactly what is wrong with politics. Instead of them wanting to help the country, they get off on the power.
Almost all of her money has come from PACs. Those PACs are going to come calling on her if she is elected. God forbid!!!!
She is a divider. 47% of voters dislike her!!! She will lose to McCain hands down. If you want a dem in the WH, vote for Barack!!!
If someone would just view and display on YouTube the PBS interview with Obama on the program "PUblic Affairs" the debate of this issue would be over. The interview was taped before we went into Iraq as the drumbeat was sounding. Obama accurately predicted the consequences. Looking back at that interview now, his predictions match the daily news out of Iraq - absolutely prescient!
New Hampshire voters – you're the best! Poor Obama – he has gone around slandering Hillary Clinton, and now he is crying poor me – well, everyone had better take a long, hard look at him. Yes, he gives inspirational speeches, but Hillary has been voted into the Senate twice and has served on the Armed Services Committee. She has done a lot for our veterans. She is respected, and works both sides of the aisle....John Edwards, I'm sure is a nice man, but he's another one – blah, blah, blah – I believe he is genuine, but he can't win and he also slandered Hillary – and it backfired on him. The last point I would like to make is that Obama WAS NOT in the Senate when the Iraq vote was taken so he is disingenuous about calling Hillary out on that – twist words? You've done the same thing, Obama – and Bill Clinton was right. If you listen to Obama, he makes great speeches, but he does not say how he will fix our mess of an economy – that's our biggest problem, and it is a number one national security problem – if we go down the toilet economically, we've had it. Pay attention people!
All I want to know is where does he stand on any issue. Change is good, but what does he want to change?...All I hear is how inspiring and refreshing he is...I seem to recall that those were the same words used to describe Bush and look what we got. He has no position on anything as far as I can see, hear, and read...so why is he whining about his words being distorted? Can someone, anyone tell me what this man stands for?
I hope Mrs. Clinton gets an oscar nomination for that crying show she put on national tv. And to Obama, keep on fighting.....and if at the end of the day you don't succeed, you can rest assured that you tried your best.
I used to be a Clinton supporter until I heard him say that the media has Obama living a fairytale.......what he really mean to say is "for a black man to be president of the united states, it has to be a fairytale" because no where in their reality would Hillary Clinton be beaten by a black man.......Also they talk about Obama lacking experience........Yes, he lacks experience in lying to people, taking money from lobbyist and most of all running around in the white house cheating on his wife.........this is where his lack of experience comes in because apparently these are the qualities you need to become president........
So as a woman, I lift my hat's off to you Obama!
Congrats to Hillary!!!!! Well deserved and very much needed. She needs to stay on message and not let anyone frame her as anything other than a very qualified, experienced person who will be a unifying president from day one. Obama people need to get their spin stories straight when they try to say Hillary supported LBJ more than MLK. She went to MLK committee mtgs while in college and attended his rallies. She was around and actually heard from MLK himself, supported his movement and moarned his loss as a "great loss" for the country. People need to actually look up some of her "experience" as she has done a great deal for the middle class, the those who are voiceless and will continue to do more for us than anyone else.
My feeling is that Obama is running for president because he feels that it's an easy run for a democrat to win. So why not run! I am still not sure what his qualifications for becoming president are. I have lived through several presidential elections and the issues that the new president will have to deal with is unprecedent. We need a president who has balls! And I believe Hillary has the experience and the balls to do the job. Stop trying to sweet talk me into thinking you're sooooo cool and different. Bin-Laden and al-queda don't care.
Advice to hopfuls: (1)Respond very fast to every accusation leveled againt you. (2)Speak out repeatedly so that people will know the truth in that position. (3) Don't expect that people already know that the accusation is false, few people knows the truth, a lot just believe what they are told if it is said with some emotion, that is why lies thrives and succeeds in elections.
$2 bills.
Had nothing to do with Obama.
Bill O'Reilly gave Hilliary and unexpected major uplift by presenting her with an unforcasted opportunity to handle him with deportment at a campaign event the day prior to the vote.
Bill Clinton gave a vintage 'righteous indignation' speech attacking Obama with Irag, also the day prior to the vote.
Neither the polls nor the pundits gave due credit to these two events.
Dems love gool 'ol Hill-Billy and they hage O'Reilly.
This is your answer for NH.
People, educate yourselves! Please do not vote for someone just because they are a good public speaker. There are many other news sources out there, please get all the facts.
I for one would like to see Senator Obama make a "Change". If Mr. Obama talks "togetherness" he should encourage the church that he belongs too to change their vision to be inclusive of ALL people. Google Trinity United Church of Christ and read the about us sectoin. Then maybe encourage Mr. Obama to attend a church that is Unashamedly AMERICAN!
Boo hoo..Obama's people are peeved that he's not ahead! Get over yourselves. At least we could agree that things are better with democrats running the government! Boo hiss to the republican machine, it's sympathyzers and people who vote for someone with no proven track record! We're giving the CNN people and media what they want...rumors to spread and pot shots to dig into our political choice as president. Whatch your words people!
I was driving down the freeway on my way to work one day, with nothing particular on my mind. I started thinking about the way things are, the political climate and also the climate of the nation as a whole.
Well let me begin with the hatred that that is shown toward African American, though nothing new but still, our forefathers fought for freedom, equality, and acceptance. As we marched through those thresholds, and started feeling like we were actually a part of this great nation, again and again we are slapped down. I don’t really have to go too far to find events that support my view.
We can start with such recent events like the Jena 6 case, the young man in Atlanta, Ga. (Genaro Wilson), and the young lady in Virginia who was held captive, tortured, and sexually abused. And what is up with the nooses? Nooses everywhere, even a main street company like Jack in the Box has a commercial depicting the use of nooses. I personally think that the Republican Party is the reason for the sudden rise in this type of hatred being shown, they show this type of separating of people and the freedom to express this hatred.
Just think in the year 2000 we had the opportunity not to go in this direction, but through scandals, cheating, and a bias Supreme Court, things has changed, or has it really?
Remember back in 2000 after the election mess, there was a hearing in the halls of Congress and all we needed was 1 vote from a Senator to appeal the result of the election 1 vote mind you. Not 1 Senator would lend support to the efforts of the Congressional Black Caucus, not Hillary Clinton, Joseph Biden, or Chris Dodd and today these are part of the Democratic Presidential hopefuls. So really with these same people in these positions and we couldn’t get not one to see our view where is the difference. I remember President Clinton made a statement to the Congressional Black Caucus “when they (the Republican) put fire to my tail, you came with the buckets of water to put it out “. I see loyalty, and what did we get for that loyalty? Another disappointment, just angry Black Folks but they will get over it again. We looked so high at President Bill Clinton as if he was one of our own, but come to think about it the Voters Right Act is still an Act and not a Law, and he cared so much for Black Folks, to be truthful NAFTA isn’t good for Black Folks, the increased trading with China isn’t good for Black Folks or any American. Do anyone remember the motto made in the good old US of A, and love that Union Label, well my friends when we look at our poor brothers and sisters standing homeless and at the lowest levels of poverty remember NAFTA, and China.
So this is my cry for change, this is my cry for Senator Barack Obama. We want change, and here he is, wanting to be the change we cry for.
George in Seattle
I second to Gbryant 's comment.
I will too stay home, if Obama is nominated by people clearly can't think by themselves and vote for some dude with stupid peer pressure.
Is it me or whenever obama talks he sounds like he is preaching. lol. i was lmao lastnight during his speech. he would say something and then say "yes we can" like this..... can we go to the bathroom, yes we can, can we sound anymore annoying, yes we can. anyways i just think that NH spoke out for something that it very important, b/c we NEED a leader who can be ready on day 1. that is hillary clinton. her experience and track record in the senate speak volumes as to how much more qualified she is than any other of the democratic candidates. Experience is neccessary otherwise anyone could go run for president. It would be like a waitress going into an attorneys office wanting to be a lawyer. Two terms in the senate is not enough (obama)! Hillary is ready to lead, and will make one of the best presidents, if not the best, that we have ever seen! Good Luck HRC and you have people all around this great country with support for you!
Maybe now people will start examining Barrack's positions on issues and stop being entranced by his silver tongue and slippery dialogue. Anyone can say "I want change, it's time for change, change is what we need." But he hasnt said what needs changing or how he will go about changing it, nor does he have the political experience and saavy to even know how to go about starting the change process. He needs to get in the ring for a few more years and get some skills before he starts claiming that he knows how to make change happen.
I AGREE THAT WISDOM IS THE KEY WHICH OBAMA HAS IN LARGE MEASURE.
I QUAKE WHEN I HEAR ABOUT EXPERIENCE ESPECIALLY FROM THE CLINTONS I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT USA THE LEADER IN THE WORLD IS SO
STUPID, OPEN YOUR EYES, WHAT KIND OF A COUNTRY DO YOU WANT?
VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT JUST BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN? MY GOD, VOTING
FOR SOMEONE WHO'S EXPERIENCE GOT US IN THIS MESS, YES THEY HAVE
EXPERIENCE HOW TO HELP THEIR AGENDA, FOR THEIR POWER AND GLORY AND SCREW THE PEOPLE, AND TO THINK, CRY A LITTLE, HUSBAND LIE AND POINT A FINGER AT A DECENT YOUNG MAN WITH A GREAT VISION FOR AMERICA AND THE PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT THAT SAME FINGER THAT LIED TO THEM AND NEARLY DESTROYED THEIR COUNTRY AND VOTED FOR THEM.
I KNOW THAT THE WORLD IS SAYING.........LOOK AT THE DUMB STUPID AMERICANS. I FEEL LIKE LEAVING THE COUNTRY. NEVER, AND I'M 69 YEARS OLD, HAVE I FELT THIS WAY ABOUT AMERICA.
Hmmm...Bill Clinton, of all people, calling someone else a liar....Anyway, whenever I heard Bill speak, it becomes hard to tell who he is campaigning for, himself or Hillary? Furthermore, I truly detest how in the my fellow African-Americans identify this guy as 'our President'. Last time I checked, marital dishonesty is NOT a hallmark of the African-American people.
Obama has engaged twisting truth, personal attacks, and character assassination for a long long time and got a complete free ride by the press. Bill is correct " give me a break!" This is what NH voters told the press: GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!
Out of desparation, Hillary and Bill Clinton and the media resorted to unfair tactics within the last few days of the New Hampshire primary campaign. Because of Obama's lead in the polls several newscasters at CNN and MSNBC decided it was time to "investigate " Obama more. I wasn"t surprised by this tactic- I knew it was coming sooner or later.But Iwas amazed at how the newcasters solemn demeanor of previous days improved as they saw the primary results come in- Obama's downfall. Bill told his own "fairytale" about Obama's war statement and Hillary gave the performance of her life. In the Democractic primary, I thought the strategies of the campaigns were primarily respectable. I'm so proud of the way Obama has conducted his campaign. But I think the respect for Hillary and Bill has been lost. In the face of difficult times, our character is tested. In this situation, Bill and Hillary failed. Is this an indication of how Hillary will handle difficult situations in the White House?
What I'm finding most sad, is in reading the responses from candidates and citizens alike, just how hateful a people we have become...criticism and name calling, and no one has a constructive word to say.
I pray it's not true, but in the end, most likely, we'll get just exactly what we deserve.
I wonder who will be the first to correct me on my grammar? Hmmm...
I am way more upset than I need to be over this Billary Clinton Saga. It is not a Fairy Tell for Barack to be our candidate of choice for President and to go on and win the Presidency. I am appalled at Bill Clinton for how and what he insinuated. We have come along way baby but we still have a long way to go as a nation. Obama is the man to help heal this dis-ease that is affecting so many. I am heart broken because I wasn't against Hillary I was for Obama. Now I am against Hillary … and Bill I am plain old disgusted with him. How dare he think that he can just say and do anything and BLACK people will have this undying loyalty to him? Shame on you Bill Clinton, shame on you! Ohhh please don't bring out the black choir when you go to S. Carolina. We are not stupid nor that naïve and gullible Althea Dixon - I will define my role, scope and aspirations. I will charter the course of my life, relationships and career. I will have the power to make decisions. Last but not least, I will be creating a success story. ~Alfie "Harmony doesn't happen when all notes are the same, it happens when different notes come together and create a beautiful sound."
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And the game is now afoot... the Clintons are using their experience and guile to outflank the energetic junior senator from Illinois. Watch out Senator... there are more tricks in that bag! I suspect when the dusk clears that Senators Clinton and Obama will be on the same ticket... the question is who will get first billing!
The Clinton team will make every effort to court the African-American vote in South Carolina to win that primary but also to paint Senator Obama as unelectable in the general election (the race card?). Senator Obama needs to remain focused on his message of change while also being mindful of the young woman segment of the voting block. He clearly captures intrigues the young voter but can he sustain that spirit of inquiry in young women.
South Carolina will be a repeat of New Hampshire unless Senator Obama remains mindful of the lessons learned from that primary. This progression to the nomination will be most interesting.
All should be mindful of the large number of “Super Delegates” which still remains… We have gone from Advantage Obama to Advantage Clinton!
What a fairy tale, how could Ohama say that Bill Clinton is twisting his words. Obama said what he said and he should not try and make excuses. Being arrogant has caught up with him. That is what experience gets you.
Why is no one talking about the fact that the lady (Marianne Pernold Young) asking the question when Hillary teared up was a plant who worked for the Clinton's during Bill Clintons 1992 campain ?
Or that the two guys that held up the sign that read "Iron my shirt" both are hillary clinton supporters! Both have clinton 08 stickers on their cars! And the media asks how Hillary got the woman vote to switch back to her in 48hrs ?
Shes a fraud.................... Agent of change think not... just same old dirty tricks !!!!
What does it say about America that if she wins Bush...... Clinton....... Bush...... Clinton ????
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein
The second time is always worse !! Bush Snr then Bush Jnr !!!!! B.Clinton.... H Clinton ???
Time for Change is now................. please think of voting for anyone else
Obama , Edwards or McCain
Shanna:
What is the source of your information about Obama? By the way, is English your first language? You need to check your spelling and grammar.
Obama's words were skewed, and they will be again by the Clintons. I've been watching this race with great interest. I'm an upstate constituent of Hillary Clinton's, but my support for her has eroded over time as I've listened to her plastic, talking-points non-responses, her weird defense of the war vote and the Iran-characterization vote, and her mule-like one-sided view of the Middle East. At one time I was a Clinton contributor–small contributions, to be sure, but I was a supporter. I have switched to Obama, and my entire family and neighborhood has as well. As a footnote, we've been in recession-like conditions up here for years, and we still are. We'd love to see some of the celebrated economic accomplishments she keeps talking about, but they're invisible from my home and workplace. If she does not win the presidency, maybe she'll work on New York problems a little harder. We're keeping our fingers crossed.
Ron Paul Votes Not Counted In New Hampshire District
http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=5219
Wow....you Hillary supporters are some of the most unpleasant people I have ever seen and make me embarrassed to be a Democrat. If you think folks like me who have dedicated the past year supporting Obama will turn around and work for Clinton in the general election (Obama will still win), you are crazy. The reason why she is unelectable is because of you and her campaign. Congradulations, slime balls.
He's going after Bill? Shouldn't he be going after Hillary? Looks like Obama can't take the heat.... now let's talk about who is in desperation mode?
Further proof that the Clinton's continue to play politics as usual and will stoop to anything–especially distorting someone else's viewpoint. I guess they haven't figured out yet that this is precisely what the people are so tired of.
Hang in there, Mr. Obama; truth will win out!
Obama '08!
Obama or his supporters don't understand that getting to the white house is all politics. When Obama was slamming Hillary on her vote and various positions in the debate, media gave a big publicity and no one came on her defense. During the debate Tim Russert never bothered to ask Obama the kind of questions Bill raised. If you were not the senator at the time of Iraq vote, your positions and statements against Hillary are irrelevant. That is what Bill had pointed out and there is nothing wrong. Remember when McCain won NH, Bush and company "swift boated" him in SC. With that in mind McCain still considers Bush as the greatest leader and praise him on everything. Why? Because, he wants to win the republican nomination. This is politics! Edwards sided with Obama in the debate. Why? Because, he still wants to be a VP in case he looses primary, which he will. Obama is a smart person. But, he can wait 8 more years in case he looses against Hillary. When a 72 year old McCain waited for this moment for 8 years, there is no reason why Obama can't.
Let's see; scandal, obfuscation, misleading (he doesn't understand the word lying). Bill & Hillary have always taken the low road, so what's new?
The fact that Obama's Co – Chair is a registered LOBBYIST only goes to prove that he's all TALK.
Change, Change, Change....... Let's change from FANTISY to REALITY OBAMA!
Bill and Hillary are just as bad as Bush and Rove. I lost whatever respect I once held for them during this election. I'm a democrat but Hillary will never get my vote! Ever!
We the American People for the last 20 years had in office Bush,Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush and WE don"t need another Clinton.It time for a change. I think the only one for a change is Obama. Let stand up and throw away the old and bring in the new.
Come on people, Bill is absolutely right.....there is just no way you can come off as mr. anti-war when 1. you weren't there to vote for or against the war and 2. as senator if you were so anti-war there can be no excuse for continually voting to fund the war. you can make up all the excuses you want but ultimately the bottom line is that if you are against something you will not support it. that's what matters- taking a stand. it's easy to look good when you're monday morning quarterbacking. and as for the idea of change. obama talks a big game but unfortunately he has nothing to show for it. people are so quick to forget that it was hillary clinton in 1994 that tried to get this country universal healthcare and that shouldn't be dismissed. ultimately, she failed but the fact that she stuck her neck out there back then should count for something because that's what really matters. it's easy for obama and edwards to tout the idea of univeral healthcare now because the country is in such a mess and there is no risk involved. but i'd rather put my money on the person who was looking for that type of change more than ten years ago– sticking her neck out then when she and bill had everything to lose. whether you like hillary or not there can be no mistaken that she has always been on the democratic side. and it is the democrats (clinton, obama, edwards) that truly represent change. the democratic party would never have let this country fall to the standing it is currently in.
Don't worry BILLARY OBAM has his own FIREWALL its CALLED SOUTH CAROLINA and I think you KNOW WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 50 % AA DEMOCRAT VOTE , AND when you Her what TOM JOYNER has in store for you tommorow you will Be crying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
very simple, Bill is a genius. He understands that he is the most popular democrat alive. If he could stir up a rift between himself and Obama, it can only hurt Obama. And if Bill is as good as he seems to be, then maybe the campaign for Hillary is going to be the one to beat the GOP anyway. And i could accept Hillary under those conditions.
Senator Obama was not a Senator when the war started. How does he know how he would have voted. Most of the senators on both sides of the aisle voted for the war.
There's so much I could rant about but I think what sums it up best is that if we keep electing establishment candidates we are bound to keep getting the same results. How many more years of the Clinton's and Bush's do we have to endure before people realize that you can't do the same thing over and over and expect to get a different result. I can see it already....8 years of Hillary and then it will be Jeb Bush's turn for 8 years. Then finally we can have one election before Chelsea is old enough to run!
ANYBODY but Hillary in 08!
This is the beginning of the end for Obama and HE KNOWS IT. He is a nice guy and it certainly was nice for him while it lasted but people know that mere niceness and countless repetitions of vague notions of hope and idealism are not what makes a true leader and agent of change. People are seeing right thru the free pass and uncritical adoration the mainstream media has given Obama. When it comes down to the wire people will recognize and acknowledge that Hillary is a person of substance, with the real leadership abilities this nation needs and wants...and thank goodness for that. GO HILLARY '08!
Zebulon Pi January 9, 2008 10:58 am ET
Tell you what. Hillary gets President, Obama gets Vice President, gets 8 years of experience, gets President for the 8 years after that. We get 16 good years of liberal, peaceful times before the pendulum swings back and we get some evangelical Republican invading some Middle Eastern country for Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Cheap Oil.
Everyone good with that?
Well said by a real Democrat. This would be anunbeatable ticket.
HILLARY/BAMA 08
Obama seems pouty and a sore loser to me in defeat. Hillary was gracious when she took the blow in Iowa. As the race goes on I am finding her more impressive and him less so. When people get a surge of power they really show their true colors (ask anyone who has seen a coworker suddenly promoted – YIKES – power goes to their head)... Obama showed this, now he's all turned around. He better get used to that feeling.
I am still really irked by his new campaign slogan YES WE CAN taken directly off the side of George Bush's campaign bus!!! Ewww.
Silly Sarah Splawn-read Mr. Obama's books if you really want answers.
all I can say that OBAMA lost in NH and still continue his loosing streak, unitl primary will finish, coz of OPRAH big no! should OPRAH endorse Hilary becasue is more better than OBAMA.. Good luck HILARY..
Read the article on statements by Obama and also former President Clinton.....seems to me that Mr Obama always looks for an "out".....people who comment on him are always wrong and he is always right according to his statements.......this gentleman turns me completely off........if he wants to be the President of this great christian nation....then I ask him to stop the double talking.....denounce islam and the koran in public......and become a "REAL" american..........the gentleman we know as Barack Oboma is definitely a phoney.....I want the American flag to fly over the White House and not some islamic flag that decries hostility and hate and has definite undertones of racial discrimination and that also goes for our present administration.......this Rice woman who is supposed to be our traveling ambassador is also a "wannabe"..............I truly hope the american people awaken and see all of this smoke being blown at them by people who deal in political nonsense........
The Fairy Tale that Bill Clinton so ably spoke of actually describes the pervasive myth surrounding his own administration. The ability to manufacture truth,the lack of probity,were hallmarks. That the Democratic Party,of which I am a member,continues to perpetuate the myth is quite troubling. The 35 years of experience which Senator Clinton offers up is part of the litany. Considering that her only major foreign policy decision was to enable President Bush to proceed headlong into Iraq,it is all quite subversive of the truth.
It is indeed time for the Democratic Party to embrace its future in the candidacy of Senator Obama rather than its past in Senator Clinton and Mr.Clinton.
I believe it is Obama who has taken liberties with words lately. The "reality check" came as Hillary questioned a comment made by Edwards made about a bill that was never signed into law and the truth behind Obama's talk about lobbyists. She did not question the reality of Americans' hopes, dreams, and successes. She believes in the country and all that it can do! As for "false hope," he again takes liberty with her words. It is Obama that is false hope as the person who can lead and change. When all the talking, debating and voting is finished, the new president will have to sit down and deliver on promises. I'm for the person who has the most knowledge of the job at hand and already has specific plans to change America for the better. The hope for our country is alive in Hillary!
Bill want Hilary to be the nominee without continuing the fight, They should just campaign and let the people decide. Two or three states can not decide for the whole US. Who is Bill to say that Obama can't be a good president when he was governor of a tiny state when he became President
What a fairy tale, how could Ohama say that Bill Clinton is twisting his words. Obama said what he said and he should not try and make excuses. Being arrogant has caught up with him. That is what inexperience gets you. ( correction for comment @ 1:02PM)
What does it matter what Obama said about the war – he wasn't in the senate at the time the vote was taken, but Hillary was. It just supports Hillary's claim that she has experience and he doesn't – she was voting in the Senate – what was he doing then? After all, I voted against the war – in my living room – but who cares?
If you listen carefully to what Obama says – he tells of things he would have done and will do, but he doesn't say too much of what he HAS done. Isn't anyone listening?
I just don't like Ms. Obama at all. Something about him doesn't sit right. As a black woman, I won't vote for him just because he is black, as a woman I won't just vote for Clinton because she is one. What to do, what to do!
Twenty years of Bush / Clinton is ENOUGH! This country needs to heal and having Bill back in the White House only prolongs the problems we face.
Speaking of spin and real experience. Should the Clinton campain be asked by the media what "behind the desk" experience she has? Having proximity and access to the Oval Office as the first lady is not the same as sitting at the desk but politicians cannot openly say that. At the end of the day both are just senators aren't they? And isn't the "spin factor" of the 90s one of the primary contributing factors to the far right looking like the better choice for the last 8 years? Fresh, honest, non polarizing change and ideas is what the voter turn out seems to imply that we want as a nation. Keep up the heat on all of the candidates.
I find it ironic that a former president is involved in mudslinging in order to support his wifes cause. Let's get the facts straight people! The Clinton's did a lot of twisting while Bill was in office! The facts state that Obama is correct in his response and has taken the higher ground on this issue. That alone should prove that he has the poise and experience to be a better candidate.
On a lighter note, Hillary's tears shed on Monday were not because she believes that she can change, but moreso because she could see her chances of becoming the first female president slip away. Her ego is the main concern of many voters, and asking her to change the way she practices politics is like asking a Zebra to change his stripes. It's not going to happen.
On to Nevada and South Carolina where she will not enjoy a measely 2 point win. By the way, Obama still retains more delegates from NH even though she won the popular vote. Don't you love the political system we have in place. The popular candidate loses the Electoral College in 2000 and 2004, and in NH the popular candidate still does not receive as many delegates. This is one of the many reasons why voters have chosen the voice of change over the voice of experience. Experience didn't get us anywhere in 2000 or 2004.... it won't get us anywhere now.
Bill Clinton is the kind of person that would twist the words of someone because he even tried to twist his own. The Clintons and the Democratic Party can play games if they want but as for me I say no Obama on vote. Obama is the kind of person that we need in the White House. What did Bill do in Washington before he got into office? NOTHING. Therefore being a Washington outsider or being new to the game might be a good thing, it worked for Bill so why does Obama need so much time in Washington for him to be able to do the job. Could it be that as they say a Blackman has to walk an extra mile more than a White one to get the same job.
I say again and I will spread the word to all I know that no Obama no vote.
Is everyone suggesting that Obama's lack of "political experience" is that he's not underhanded and so deserate to win that he will surrender all notions of propriety and integrity?
I don't want a President who will sell his soul to get into a position of power. I want to vote for one who is determined to see and comform to the will of the people, and one who has the kind of inspired vision for how the world could be.
I don't want someone who can sell me a car. I want someone who can Lead this country in the direction we've been so long remiss in pursuing.
It's all right, people. I know it's a little scary to be voting for a person who isn't the same old thing you've been buying for years. But neither change for the sake of change nor resistance to change out of a fear of change are options.
Let's save the venom, folks. There's several months til we really know who we'll be able to vote for. Maybe we should try to get there as a group and stop being so childish about our concerns for one candidate or another.
Honestly.
On steven cox's comment "he (obama) lost by a landslide" comment...
what election are you watching. Less than 8000 votes between them is a landslide? Less than a 3% differential is a landslide? This is a special reality.
Also I am tired of hearing about her experience... While she was wife of a governor and wife of a president? He was a community organizer and state senator.
Give us a break
Looks like Hillary played the :I'm a woman card: in N.H..
I am really, really scared when I read what people say here against Obama. Let me tell you something: YES WE CAN!!!!! You will be surprised. Keep believing in what the Clintons say. You'll only have your eyes to puor tears in your glasses since you don't want to understand that 2008 is totally different.
YES WE CAN!
Oh, the Clinton machine is so contrived & obvious. Desperate? It seems that way to me. What's she gonna do – cry the day before every primary? Why is anyone listening to Bill Clinton? Because of his proven honesty & integrity? Please.
Why not Sen. Obama? Why not someone who inspires and offers hope? After the last 7 years I could use some.
The second he is elected/inaugurated we improve our standing in the world. No can deny that.
Sen. Obama has no baggage, Sen. Clinton is all baggage.
I believe Sen. Obama will pick a Richardson or a Biden as his running mate, and his staff would be bi-partisan and made up of the best of the best.
Sen. Clinton can not be elected in the general election, not only will republicans come out to vote against her but democrats who dont like her will stay home.
This is so simple to me, a simple middle class person, why cant anyone see this?
p.s. if you want to see where Sen. Obama stands on the issues and his plan for trying to implement his ideas, go to his website he has a sixty-four page pdf you can read.
Clinton stole the win by using Edwards' line of "it's personal..." and manipulated NH women by crying. I don't want to see my presiden chokes up in the international court if things don't go well. That shows weakness. Clinton has no past track record to lead. Our country will go into socialism if another Clinton were to get in. People, wake up! Edwards actually trully showed some decent leadership and will to make a real change.
i hope don't none of you fools vote for that lying family the Clintons – i'm from Arkansas – and bill has a baby here by a black news anchor woman – and everyone knows it – except, the woman and her husband both will lie to your face and say it isn't so – Hilary knows – and I am not ready for her to be president at all – I prefer Hucabee over anyone else but if not it will be Obama for me because he is a vote for change and i feel he can be equal to all races because he really doesn't identify totally with the African American experience – he was raised by a his mother in Hawaii and overseas thus he has been in diverse atmospheres – i'm sure he has experience some racism but who hasn't – as a white woman i have experience racism – we all have – someone always looks at you and say i don't like you b/c of how you look or who you are – so i think Obama can bring more people together – what i hate is that he may not be president b/c of how he looks on the outside....and we mess up and put Hilary there – THAT WOULD BE A BIG MISTAKE....however, I am a republican more than a democrat but I like Obama's policies as they are not completely "democratic" – for that same reason I really like Huckabee whom I plan on voting for if he gets the nod – but if he doesn't and Obama does – i will vote for Obama – but never for Hilary...i'm a woman and i don't feel comfortable with a woman in the white house right now – not in time of war – i'm sorry – and that is sexist but we are not the same as me – bottom line – people see a man and they have more respect
Hey, if we put the Clintons back in the white house, maybe they'll clean up the mess they started.
This is what gets me. What -if anything- has Sen. Obama actually changed during his public service career? He's barely sponsored a bill in the 2 years he's been in the Senate! Lord knows what he did in Illinois–what's all this with the non-voting (voting "present" instead of "yea" or "nay")?
To say that because he doesn't have experience that means he is the candidate of change strikes me as silly and twisted. By that logic I could take anyone - and I mean anyone - who has no resume in politics/accomplishment and say that he/she is the candidate of change! Susan Sarandon or Tim Robbins for President, anyone? How about Michael Moore? Change? Hmmpf.
I'm not taking sides in the Democrat race and have no axe to grind, but Hillary's right...slow down, people. Don't be so caught up in fancy speeches and rhetoric that you overlook the fact that they contain vapid meaning and nothing concrete. I have nothing in particular against Sen. Obama, just that instead of foie gras I'm seeing liverwurst; instead of Barbra Streisand live I'm watching a karaoke performance of the real thing.
Go away Barack! We don't want to listen to your same empty suit day after day. The media might prop you up under a false guise but America knows the truth.
GOODBYE!
Well I am happy to say that Hillary pulled it off last night, and I hope she continues to. Obama can sit and cry over what Bill did or did not say. He is just mad that someone is finally calling him to the carpet. How many times did this Jr. senator even vote on policy. Isn't it amazing that the times when America needed him most, he was not available to vote. It sounds to me like he did not want to be termed a flip flopper like that of Kerry, so he avoided votes that may make him appear as such. If that is the case, then what interest was he really looking after, his own, or that of the American people. Obama is a joke.
As they say, Iowa picks corn and New Hampshire picks presidents.
By my calculation, Obama is finished. The polls predicted 8-14% Obama over Clinton. The results were 2% Clinton over Obama. That is a 10-16% gain Clinton over Obama......that is HUGE.
No amount of closing your eyes and chanting "yes we can" will resurrect the dead.
We're screwed either way, both of them want to talk down the war but neither will make a single move to stop it. If they were willing to stop it, then they would have both already tried as senators.
Obama '08
I personally dont want some crying emotional woman to lead me. Did Bhutto cry? Did Sirleaf cry? Please ...she won, NARROWLY. This is a contest. May the best MAN win.
Femi from Nigeria,
I bet your family from Nigeria are involved in corrupt politics too, and that's how you got to London.
So, has anybody realized that the last time the Clintons were in the White House, Bin Laden was planning his every move to destroy the US due to his hatred for the United States and its government? Oh, no thats right, he only started planning his attack the day Bush took office. Ya Right.
I dont know about you, but I certainly do not want to return to that era, ie: the Clintons in the White House.
finally they're attacking obama. for some strange reason, he's been completely off limits up until now. (seriously, george bush's alcohol issues were everywhere when he ran but obama's admitted hard drug yes has been completely overlooked.) i hope the gloves truly come off from all the candidates. just because he's black does not mean he shouldn't be subject to the same scrutiny and political attacks as any other candidate.
i'm glad president clinton started the challenge. obama made the remark that his views were similar to bush's views. there is no distortion there. he said it...what's to distort. (not to mention, he wasn't around to vote so really he could say he would've done just about anything. the fact is, he has no record. well, he did vote the same as hillary for a deadline for troop withdrawal despite not supporting earlier troop withdrawal deadlines.) i guess the real shock is that once upon a time he actually said something of substance because now his words are like cotton candy...just full of sugar and air. he says nothing other than "change". and even he has the audacity to even take credit for offering up "change" as a campaign strategy. note to obama (and his easily influenced sheep): unless you're the incumbent in an election, every candidate in an election serves up a platform based on some kind of "change". i find it funny that obama wants a "new" kind of politics and that he claims the old way just isn't going to cut it with having special interest and lobbyist being involved in washington. yet a chief campaign advisor is a registered lobbyist. hmmm, i guess special interest shouldn't be involved in how things go in washington, they should just be involved in helping obama get to washington.
obama's appeal to the youth is not surprising. they can be impressed easily and quickly distracted by his siren songs of emptiness. these 18, 19, 20 year old college kids have no clue of what the real world is like or what they're military peers are really fighting for overseas while they sit in they're liberal schools listening to the fluff peddled by obama. its easy for these college kids to argue that there should be greater government spending and more taxes when they pay so little into the tax system to start with. do they have any clue who's going to pay for the foolish statements that obama makes like students should not have to go in debt for higher education? sorry, but the old saying "nothing's free" is actually true.
whether you're political leanings are liberal or conservative i just hope you lean to a politician that actually has something to say...real ideas and positions...and not just hollow, albeit eloquent and flowery, words like obama's.
What is with this guy? He said he was not privy to Senate Intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don't know. He's also expressed that he thinks the war is dumb. These are the strongest beliefs with regards to a war ever expressed? He doesn't get why all the people aren't with him? These were inspiring words? Is this the best his machine can do for him?
Audicity of hope, the urgency of now, the wave, and today.... yes we can.
His machine needs to quit with the commercial slogans and get on to issues and policy. I understand this is not his strength. I understand his record is variable and he hasn't been in office long but they have got to come up with something. This is getting ridiculous. I know he's fired up (another slogan) but they are going down in flames if they don't knock it off.
I am really trying to understand why so many voters want the sleaze machine back in the White House. Bill Clinton was impeached. He's running for his 3rd term and using his wife as a front. 33% of the NH voters said that if Bill Clinton was running on Tuesday, they would have voted for him. That means only 66% of the people who voted for Hillary were actually voting for her.
It is very, very strange that OBAMA had a 12 point lead over Clinton the day BEFORE the primary and then suddely lost 14 points on the DAY of the PRIMARY. I am looking forward to seeing how the pollsters make sense of that. A poster on another board suggested that NH voters simply lied about who they were really going to vote for. Don't know if that's true but it will be interesting to find out.
Nah,Clinton just straightened them back out.
ATTENTION OBAMA:
YOU ARE A PHONY AND A LIAR!
YOU ARE NO DR.KING!
YOU AREN'T EVEN LARRY KING!
YOU ARE A DRUGGIE CON ARTIST THAT IS RUNNING ONE OF THE BIGGEST SCAMS THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN!
IT'S A GOOD THING THAT THE PEOPLE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE FINALLY WOKE UP TO THAT FACT!
THE BEST THING ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS THAT WHILE YOU MAY FOOL THEM FOR A LITTLE WHILE,MOST OF US ARE SMART ENOUGH TO CATCH ON TO A SCAM ARTIST LIKE YOU BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
NOW IT IS TIME FOR THE REST OF THE PEOPLE TO SEE YOU FOR THE FAKE THAT YOU ARE!
YOU WILL HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE DELUSIONAL,THE IGNORANT AND THE DUMB BUT ANY AMERICAN WITH ANY INTELLIGENCE AT ALL WILL PUT AN END TO YOUR SCAM WHEN YOUR TRAVELLING CON GAME GETS TO THEIR STATE!
Spot on JT, Spot on, nicely said, couldn't have said it better, great stuff, and all that.
Glenda you ingorant wretch, the fairytale Bill was referring to, was Obama's distortion of the facts and rewriting history which created a land of fantasy and magic. Nobody has implied that Obama being black has anything to do with Bill's statement. He has an office in Harlem for Christ's sake.
A real hard look into Obama's background? How about a real hard look into Hillary's background? How bout some people posting on here do some real research?
In 1999, Hillary promised 200,000 jobs to upstate New York as part of her campaign.
Since her election in 2000, 1 out of 5 manufacturing jobs have been lost in upstate New York. The damage is mostly seen in Buffalo and Rochester. In Buffalo, 34,000 households have departed since Hillary was elected in 2000. In Rochester, jobs in the manufacturing department fell by over 30%.
What kind of change is that?
Is anyone here from Illinois? If so, what good or bad has Obama done for your state? I'm very curious.
HILLARY IS THE MOST EXPERIENCED CANDIDATE TO DO THE JOB.
CHECK THE PROFILE OF TWO CANDIDATES AT:
http://clinton.senate.gov/about/biography/index.cfm
http://obama.senate.gov/about/
See the difference yourself. Hillary has a long record as compared to Obama
The respectable Obama, is a good man and a patriot but this is'nt amature night at the Roxbury.
Political rookie, and amature Obama should have waited until he had more experence to get in to race.
Vote Hillary we all know she has the real chance to win the white house.
Vote Obama we will lose the white house to The Neo cons
I have withdrawn my support from Hillary and placed it behind Obama because of Bill Clinton's actions. I have always supported the Clintons but the curtain was pulled back for me one too many times revealing their slimy tactics. They are no better than Bush and Karl Rove.
Are we surprised at either response?!? We should be accustomed to the empty statements of politicians by now. Oh the horror. We have the two biggest campaign spenders of this election butting heads. Honestly, I am sick of hearing about both of them!
There should be a cap on campaign spending so these cnadidates wouldn't be able to buy their way out of their conflicts. Maybe then we would get a clearer view of the truth.
Ron Paul fan of the south
Barack Obama has so much class. The Clinton team on the other hand does not have enough. Has anyone remembered he was impeached.
To me Hillary makes Bush look really good as I watched him in the middle east today.
Comparing Hillary's tears to Bush's tears is like comparing a naval orange to a granny smith.
Anybody catch in Obama's speach last night about health insurance and drug companies having a seat at the table?
Speaking of spin and experience.....shouldn't the Clinton campaign be asked what true "behind the desk" experience she has? Having access to or proximity to the Oval Office for a number of years is quite a bit different than sitting in that powerful chair..... but those running against Hillary cannot openly say that. At the end of the day aren't they both just senators? I believe that the spin of the administration of the 90s is one of the key contributing factors to the country feeling that the far right was a better alternative for the past 7 years.
I believe that the high voter turn out proves that what we want as a nation is honest, fresh, non-polarizing change and because all of the candidates have fairly equal experience, the best new ideas combined with the best action plan will create a winner....as long as the spin is minimized. Keep up the heat on all of the candidates. Start asking specific plan proposals. Make them put it out there.
Has everyone forgotten all of the lies Bill and Hillary told during their White House years? How can anyone trust anything they say? Isn't our country in enough trouble without having the liars back in the White House? No country on Earth will believe anything they say. They have caused many, many troubles throughout their years in politics–maybe that's the reason they stayed together through all of his affairs.
If we could all just step back and realize that an obama – clinton ticket would be the best thing that has happened to this country in years we would be headed in the right direction. At this point we need a democrat that will stand up for the non-sense that has been happening in D.C. for the past 8 years....on both side of the isle.
Hillary, I can't believe you and your hubby bill can stoop that low. You act like a small child when Bill took your candy away. First, you shouldn't have let your hubby, the past President to get up to defend you. You should have been a strong woman. When a War breaks out if you becomes President, what are you going to do? Cry on Bill's shoulders and have him do the job for you. How can the American people feel confident that you can do this job. You showed on National television that you can't because of your teary eyes and your hubby had to come to your defense. Another thing, Bill gave you a job, when he was President to fix the insurance problems, this hasn't been done yet. Apparently, you failed at this mission. Both you and your husband need to use clean politics. Mr. Obama has yet put his wife on national televison to defend him. I am so ashame of the Clintons.
If people are seriously voting for Hillary because she's a cryer, it's as bad as the people that voted for Bush because 'Al Gore made them feel stupid'. I once repected Bill, but no more, the attitude they have come across with that anyone who stood in the way of Hillary's inevitability should be crushed by any means neccessary has completely tainted the Clinton name. No more Bush/ Clinton banana republic dynasty!! Let me guess what will be on the next election ballot, Jeb Bush vs.Chelsea Clinton..
I was disgusted when the Republicans indulged in a hypocritcal witch hunt in the 90's, exclusively for their own politican gain.
I was angry when they exploited 9/11 and took this country to war under false pretenses, for their own financial gain.
I was frustrated when Karl Rove expertly stoked the divisions in this country to get Dubya re-elected.
And now...the Clintons are running a campaign that Karl Rove would be proud of... When her nomination unites an otherwise decimated Republican party, I'm sure ol' Karl will be ecstatic.
This is business as usual, and they will constantly misconstrue his words in order to confuse the public. Hillary can't even seem to realize the difference between her constant comments about what "I" will do, meaning Hillary as opposed to Barack's assertions that change is something "we" the people will do.
Bill Clinton always tells the truth–to his family, to the American people, and to the entire world. It's our fault if we misinterpret it.
rybehr January 9, 2008 12:18 pm ET
In response to Linda-n-Wisconsin…You need to check yourself. Barack Obama is a 46 year-old man who has many great accomplishments in his life. To call him a "little boy" is not only racist, it reflects poorly on you. Exactly what have you accomplished in your life that comes anywhere close to what Mr. Obama has done?
Obama is 47 and great accomplishments are a matter of opinion. I see Obama as a little boy and it has nothing to do with being a racist. It has to do with his rude, cocky, and condescending attitude. You would be surprised at what I have accomplished in my life. So, please do tell me, just what this little boy has accomplished.
P.S. I also call our so-called president today, baby Bush!!
This is what constantly worries me about Obama. He continues to get pulled into a conflict of "he said, she said".
Is this how he will be with world politicians? Will he get lost in all of the "he said, she said" distractions?
He seems young to me in his responses. I like him, he just seems naive.
~Cheryl
FIrst of all, Obama get so angry after he losing the NH. Because, he is TALKER, not act.... alike he will???? If he become president, he will be MORe anrgy if nothing be on his way or even, other attack on America. He must be his own way, nothing to make everything to be UNION! He will not make it...
Plus, which i dont vote for him! He has nothing to proves that he has been successful during his senate time. Just bark to others, because he is lawyer.
Obama a threat to national maturity.
Political rookie and amature Obama puts his ego before our chances to win the white house.
Ever notice how Obama basically lip sang every thing Edwards was saying in the Debates in N.H.
Why ? Why ?
Why is no one talking about the fact that the lady (Marianne Pernold Young) asking the question when Hillary teared up was a plant who worked for the Clinton's during Bill Clintons 1992 campain ?
Or that the two guys that held up the sign that read "Iron my shirt" both are hillary clinton supporters! Both have clinton 08 stickers on their cars! And the media asks how Hillary got the woman vote to switch back to her in 48hrs ?
Shes a fraud.................... Agent of change think not... just same old dirty tricks !!!!
This Experience line is such a load.... would you let your Doctor's partner operate on you ??
Didn't think so ?
No mater how many doctor or patients they'd met !
What does it say about America that if she wins Bush...... Clinton....... Bush...... Clinton ????
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein
The second time is always worse !! Bush Snr then Bush Jnr !!!!! B.Clinton.... H Clinton ???
Time for Change is now................. please think of voting for sombody else..............anyone else
Obama , Edwards or McCain
How can Obama claim to be the uniter when I haven't heard about him reaching across the Senate aisle to convince the minority Republicans to do anything, let alone end the war. How will that change if/when he becomes president? It's easy to use the word change to convince those of your same party, but what have you done in the past 2 years of your term to convince people like me that you have what it takes to play the real game of politics ... not the word game
I am hoping the folks at FOX-NEWS-MSNBC take a look at the video of Hardball ? Why does Chris Matthews have a job ? ...but its time ...media to ask Obama rally questions about ,what American people need to know about OBAMA...and not to try to destroy only Clinton...
I amazed no Sharptan out and running with Hillary's slug at MLK. Johnson may have signed it but King did all the leg work on it. Gave his life for it. I was for her until she gave brushed MLK aside like she did. I am white but I grew up seeing the problems and stigma my colored friend had in many places. She needs to get her facts straight and give credit where it is due. Bill needs to quit complaining for her; he needs to shut up and let her take care of her own campaign. Are we voting for him or her???????
So, all of you Slick Willy supporters, do you really want Hillary to run the Oval Office or is it Bills DNA you want back in there? Do you remember why we got him out of there in the first place? HIS DNA being all over the place!!!!!
Evidently it doesn't take much to forget someone's atrocities when it is convenient. I wonder if Hillary really forgave him or if she just wanted to be a Senator and it looks bad to be going through a divorce when you are running for public office?
Change does not come in the form of Bill Clinton. Oh that's right it's Hillary who is running. Sorry, I got confused!
Let's try something new! Go Obama!
People are not voting for Hillary because of Bill Clinton? Did Bill Clinton get us into a useless war with a 9 trillion debt? Wake up people! Stop getting so emotional!! Use your head! Experience does not count??? What is the world we live in? We need to be two steps ahead and that can only come from experience. We elected Bush and see what inexperience got us! If Bush had read some history books he would have been familiar about not wanting to go into Iraq and disturb a hornet's nest and he would have focussed on getting Osama, who may I add, is still out there altho' we are paying billions to Pakistan. Obama has a likable, fresh attitude, and how far is that going to get us out from the hole we are in? Please vote for Hillary or McCain. The rest are riding on hype and hope. We need strength, earnestness and experience with intelligence.
I've been racking my brains trying to understand the so called 'experience edge' Hillary Clinton has over Obama, can someone please help me out? What has the experience of the Bush cabinet done for america. I wish u Americans best of luck!
Looks like Obama supporters outnumbered on this forum. Sign of things to come? I hope not. If Hillary wins then for the first time I'll be voting Republican. Dont want another Clinton in the white house.
for all this talk about experience being spouted by "patriotic, well-read" americans, i have yet to her or see anything about another "inexperienced" presidential candidate from illinois – his name was abraham lincoln, and other that than the whole martial law in maryland thing, he seemed to do an ok job as chief executive (he did keep the country together – that counts for something, right?)
furthermore, i would say that years as a community advocate in the poorest sections of chicago is a better qualification of experience to lead the real american public than a lifetime in the senate or in the white house. when did the word experience become so narowly defined as to only mean political experience? mlk wasnt "experienced" in the workings of large government, the baby boomers who took to the streets protesting vietnam werent "experienced" in politics, gahndi and the dalai lama are not "experienced" in the tricks and tools of campaigning – but only a fool would say that any one of them didnt or doesnt have the human experiences required to be a strong advocate for change. the most experienced people in this campaign year are the voters, and personally, my experience tells me that more of the same is nothing but more of the same
it is said that the surest sign of insanity is repeating the same action over and over again while constantly expecting different results
unite americans – stop the cycle – barack the vote!
DOES A NEW HAMPSHIRE WIN FOR BILL CLINTON FEELS LIKE A WIN FOR AMERICA OR A WIN FOR THE CLINTON DYNASTY/MONARCHY?
Remember, Americans, these contests should be about AMERICA, and bringing back our country from the abyss!
By building and DESTROYING THEIR OWN LEGACY, the Clintons helped in the depressing defeat of Al Gore of a nobody, bush, in 2000.
And by fowling their own nest, the Clintons set the stage for bush to continue the process of destroying American lives, limbs and the treasury.
It is SUICIDAL for Americans to allow another Clinton White House!
Anyway, the Republicans would be sharpening their long knives for Bill Clinton .. AGAIN! LOL
Again I ask, don't you think that Obamas' people need to be pushing Edwards' to drop out of the race????
I an confuse who is running for president, hillery or bill. If it is Hillary i do not my president to sit and cry when she have national or international ciris.And i do not know if i want to put bill in the white house again espically when hillary will be busy running the country, he will be doing what? You know.
Bill Clinton taking liberty with something......Imagine that.
Hillary won NH.. move on. Obama has no experience except that of opening his mouth.. change change change.. blah blah blah
By the way-
It is generally accepted that Hillary has the edge with the womens vote. It is generally accepted that Barack has the advantage with the black vote.
GUESS WHAT FOLKS?????? There are almost NO black people in NH. I know, I am there everyday.
You Hilliots better not get to mouthy. A State with a couple thousand blacks and Hillary is collecting her silver!!!
Instead of listening to whatever the newsmedia has to say about Obama, go to his website and look into his policies and stand on the issues before making such comments about flowery words.
Hillary sheds a few tears and everyone is ready to follow her. Come on, that is the height of idiocy. She didn't win in NH statistically speaking due to the unbelieveable amount of airtime she received leading up to the primary. What an unfair platform.
Follow the person who can pull this country together and actually get the people behind him. Not someone who will invite you to "dinner" then when you arrive, tell you that the table is already full. Come back next time. The table will be full of Hillary's "old boy network", the people who are supporting her now. Do you think that those millions of dollars were given without expecting something in return? How naive can you be?
At least you know Obama is really getting money from the people, he does not accept money from political groups with agendas that will sell the people down the drain. Hillary does and she will continue to do that because after 35 years in politics thats all she knows how to do. You should be glad that Barack is not coming from that type of background.
This is the "real" Barack Obama...petty, whiny and inexperienced. He's only human when the cameras are ON. Barack Obama took advantage of ALL the lies and slander of Hillary for MONTHS, knew it was wrong but never spoke up.
Even Mitt freaking Romney spoke up against the media attacks on Hillary. If Mitt Romney has more decency than you, Mr. Obama, that tells the smart voters in this country who you really are.
Hillary beat you last night because New Hampshire votes a LOT more like America than some random head count in a middle school classroom in Iowa that you could pack with 17 year olds.
Iowa picks corn, New Hampshire picks Presidents.
You had a nice run Sen. Obama, go back to the Senate and get some experience.
Seriously, I have been a supporter of Bill Clinton's in the past, but it does seem that Hillary is resorting to some pretty sad tactics. Not taking her victory in New Hampshire away.....truth be told, a black man should not win in a state that is 96% white......but between Hil "crying" and Bill's bashing, this is not pretty. For all of Obama's "faults" and inexperience, I commend him for not stooping to his opponent's level. Leave the backbiting/backstabbing to the Republicans. Because, rest assured, they will attempt to roast whichever Democrat wins the primary. Especially Mrs. Clinton.
Becky January 9, 2008 12:45 pm ET
Becky – Very nice analysis!!
260,000+ democratic votes and the difference was approx 7,800! That's not a landslide and from a delegate point of view it was a virtual tie!
It really bugs me how the press play up what was a very close race and turn it into some type of landslide or major comback! Hillary is the virtual incumbent!!
Also there's NO reason for race baiting or harping on about the "Bradley" effect on the New Hampshire election. Remember New Hampshire has an African-American population of "0.7%" therefore the difference would have been far greater. (That's not to say that it does not happen and has not happend in the past!)
If voters changed their mind about Barack at the last minute then it was because, if in doubt, e Americans tend to default to the known verses the unknown.
Unfortunately I don't think we took a single Ward in Manchester, NH. That coupled with the 6% that Richardson and Kinuch took between them made the difference!
Go Obama '08, onto Nevada, South Carolina, Florida and the other states!
I was an American Soldier, I am an American Soldier, I will always be an American Soldier and I support Barrack Obama for President of the United States of America!
Get over it Obama! You lost! Go back to school and get some experience!!
to: billary bush bush
whats that saying... fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
anyboby but hilary.
Get over it Obama! You lost! Go back to school and get some experience!!
My Friends,
I would agree with Becky my horse is in the barn until I hear specifics. What is wrong with stating "I am a woman running for President?" I also heard from a female in the media say "I don't wish to play the gender issue but I will" so when is it that as women we need to excuse ourselves for being just that. Folks it was not too long ago (80 or so years and there folks older than this today) that women where not allowed to vote...something the young generation has forgotten. It was not that long ago (50 years or so and there are folks older than this today) that non-whites where not allowed to vote.
Senator Obama wanted to run for president so his voting record is up for us to view to seek his records and no one "twisted" those words. The fact that he has missed so many sessions did someone "twist" him then that he couldn't be in attendance. I find that Senator Hillary Clinton is sincere though I would agree that she needs to be captain of her own ship and allow her hair to hang down. I have been involved with change and politics since the UFW (before the letters existed) and I was in middle school. I don't need an inspirational speaker as I can always seek this what I need is a leader who is willing to lay out there plan for our country.
Let me just end with this inclusion means ALL citizens not just black/white...so what happen to Native Americans (also known as First Nation since we where here first before Europeans came over), Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, Latino Americans are we invisible.
Hey wf, whats wrong with a little DNA all over the place, I think you had a little too much for breakfast this morning. The DNA wasn't why Bill left office, his term expired you moron. The DNA was just fun times for Bill, certainly not an atrocity. If Hillary doesn't care, why should you. The only thing Bill did wrong was to lie under oath. Obama has no plan, no record, and no loyalty to his country. He has been trashing America in his ads, I don't trust him.
NH reject Obama and all his empty "I have a Dream" speeches. Obama thinks he can stand on the stage and just say over and over again "Change, Change, Change".
Can he say how he's going to do more specifically? I bet better not. He once said if he'd be elected as the president, he'd ban the import of Chinese toys. Sounds so great, make everybody happy. But, does he know that America imports 80% toys from China? If we stopped abruptly importing toys from China, it'd create servere shortage of toys, then, things like black market would emerge, that would be more dangerous, at 10 times more, than importing from China. Any economist would tell him it's not feasible!
So that's the change he's going to promise?
And the sniping continues.
Time for me to tune out on the presidential run.
I will tune back in in November on election day.
Actually, it will be sooner than that, because here in Oregon we VOTE BY MAIL!
What a concept!
Earth to Obama
Welcome to Politics Clinton style.
I hope the American people take a long,hard look at both Obama and Clinton before we decide who we want to represent the Democrats in the Presidential election. If we get Hillary,we really get Bill. Do you honestly think he is not going to have input into a Hillary presidency? We've had enough of both the Bush's and the Clinton's. Let's move forward America!! I have not been so inspired by one speaker (Obama) since John Kennedy's days. America needs someone who can inspire us, who is eloquent, and who will make us all proud again. I truly see this in Barack Obama. Enough of the petty stuff,lets get some substance from both of them and then let the people decide,but we better get it right this time America. Hillary boasts experience in foreign policy. I want specifics! She can't give us any specifics. Thus, Clintonish untruthfulness!! Vote right this time America or we will all pay the price.
President Clinton really has behaved unPresidential, stooping to low levels in his post-Presidency getting invovled in petty politics. Once your Presidency is over, you are held to a higher standard by the public above the fray. I think Clinton likes the fray.
You never saw the first President Bush get invovled in the small stuff when his son was running, nor will you see current President Bush stoop to petty levels after his Presidency is done.
Clinton's behavior throughout this campaign has been bad but the real despicable thing he did was right here in Philadelphia back in 2003. Our mayoral election was going on at the time as incumbernt John Street (D) was staving off a difficult challenge from challenger Sam Katz (R), a moderate and ex-Democrat who was leading in the polls with less thana month to go. In the meantime, Mayor Street's office was being bugged by the FBI, as many in his administration were being investigated for what later turned out to be serious corruption in our city's politics. But what the local Democratic Party in conjunction with the Street campaign did was make up a story that the Bush administration was supposedly was framing Mayor Street to help the Republicans pick up the mayorship in the city. Congressman Bob Brady, the local chairman of the Dem. Party long after the election admitted in an interview that he knew that there was no such conspiracy, that it was all made up but "I was just spinning the sh**.....and it worked." Never mind that the Philly voters were stupid enough to fall for this conspiracy as Street won re-election overwhelmingly by playing this made-up "Bush" card and that we've come to expect no better in Philly politics. But what is still unbelieveable to this day is that PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON CAME TO PHILLY AND JOINED THIS PROPAGANDA at a rally saying how they're not going to let the Bush Administration get away with it....etc etc.
It's perfectly normal for ex-Presidents to simply campaign for people in their party but for someone to stoop that low is just so unbecoming of an ex-President and really does an indignity to the office.
Get over it Obama! Take your medicine like a good fellow! This is Hillary's day! Girl Power!!!!
My thing is people keep saying Obama is not experienced my big question is what experience does Hilliary have short of being married to someone who's been in politics all those years – if that's a record of experience than I guess all the woman he slept with could run on his years of experience also – don't mean to be so negative, but enough is enough – I'm sick of the negative stuff till me what you're going to do I'll make up my own mind on what your opponent will do or not do – People aren't that STUPID
In response to LINDA: Your comment about Hillary not being woman enough to standup for her child and walking out on Bill. First, I would like to add what Bill did was indeed a terrible thing to do, but don't we all go through some type of wrong doings throughout our life-time? Are you without fault? I don't endorse what he did but I actually endorse Hillary's standing with her man (family) and getting past that ordeal.
If she can get over it...why are you still harping on it? I happen to be an African-American person who fully endorse Hillary getting the nomination and eventually becoming our next President.
My advice to you would be to get out of Hillary and Bill bedroom.
To JT: Thank you, you're the only one who seems to understand what that vote on Iraq was really about.
I think it's funny how the Hillary fans love to point out that Obama lacks experience.
At least Obama has legislative experience in Washington. That's far more than Bill Clinton had in 1992 - he was governor of a state that fell consistently close to last place on many issues, including education, health care and per-capita income.
GO BILL, GO HILLARY AMERICA NEEDS GREAT LEADERS.
I WAS SICK WITH CNN COVERAGE OF ELECTION.
HERE'S TO THE WORST NEWS TEAM IN THE NATION, EVEN LOWER THEN FOX NEWS.
Hillary cried on National TV and there goes the primary. How did it all come to this?
Bill Clinton's comments had little to do with Obama losing the primary. He's just not ready to handle politics rough atmosphere as evidenced by these actions.
All this talk of "experience". Besides being married to a former Govenor and President, and moving to a state so she could run for office herself, what experience does Hillary really have?? Not to say I couldn't support her, but folks act like the divide between the two (Clinton and Obama) is as vast as the Grand Canyon. We are by no means talking about career politicians here....either of them.
Bill is an established liar..
Out of desperation, Hillary and Bill Clinton and the media resorted to unfair tactics within the last few days of the New hampshire primary campaign.Because of Obama's lead in the polls several newscasters decided it was time to ":investigate "Obama more. I wasn't surprised by this tactic-I knew it was coming sooner or later. But,I was amazed at how the newscasters solemn demeanor of previous days improved as they saw the primary results come in- Obama's downfall. Bill told his own "fairytale" about Obama's war statement and Hillary gave the performance of her life. In the Democratic primary, I thought the strategies of the campaigns were primarily respectable. I'm so proud of the way Obama conducted his campaign. But I think the respect for Hillary and Bill has been lost. In the face of difficult times, our character is tested. In this situation, Bill and Hillary failed. Is this any indication of how Hillary will handle difficult situations in the White House?
Obama's machine was just on saying Clinton's tears need to analyzed. It's nice to see them focus on a real issue of importance to the American citizens. Finally! I was beginning to think this guy had nothing to offer. Do you think he'll get in there and get to the truth. Should we have a plan to get out of Iraq or do you think she had her hair done that day? How would you deal with Iran or was she tired? Was there five Iranian boats around US ships was there one tear or two? I wonder if his machine knows what shoes she wears? The American people need to know now before our country goes down the tubes.
Both these candidates make laugh hysterically. Obama is going to provide change in politics. How? By hoping? He still has to operate within the existing system of
government IF elected. You can't change the whole system right off the bat. And Hillary has experience. Well, I've been married to a dentist for over eight years...decorated the office for the holidays, went to dinners with the staff...with all that experience I guess now I can start doing root canals! Please. The only project she ever attempted was an abysmal failure-healthcare. If we start socialized medicine, where are all the Canadians going to go to get their healthcare?
hmm. i remember a couple of days ago, that people praised obama like no other. now the tides have changed how amusing, you democrats always amuse me
Mccain 08
Obama and Clinton will NEVER run together.
Hillary or Obama? What's best for the country? Trick question. Unless sweeping changes are made to the entire democratic process you want the lesser of all the evils. Maybe Obama's inexperience hasn't rotted him to the core yet. Depending on where Hillary is giving her speech, she is either for or against the offshoring of hundreds of thousands of US jobs. Don't believe me? Look it up on YouTube and let her do all the talking. Edwards was the only one to mention that a study showed 10-20 MILLION jobs are at risk to being offshored in the next 10 years. That issue has grown beyond low paying jobs, has entered the high tech market and is moving into HR, accounting and so on. What do you do for a living? Very soon someone in another country who can and will work for 80% less than you can do your job. This goes beyond the ideas of free trade or a global economy. This allows companies to move their factories to countries without pollution control or all the labor to a country with no labor laws. Bill Clinton turned us onto this path the most recently and George W. Bush ran down it with full force. Another Clinton administration will further destroy American sovereignty and the middle class but it will help the poor. It's simple actually. Once all of our jobs are gone the middle class BECOMES the poor, you just need to change the definition of poor to middle class and, ta da, we made all of the poor middle class. We're at a point in our economy that is the start of every sci-fi movie that describes how the oppressive government and big business took over the world to leave most people in a state of X. What will the next chapter be?
Don't take my word for it though. What do I know? Do your own homework and find out where all of these candidates stand. That in itself becomes truly unAmerican. Why research to find out what's best when a crocodile tear or popular talk show host can tell me better. I'm not for any particular candidate on either side except I am strongly against Hillary Clinton because I did my homework and did what she told me to; looked at her track record.
The statement Bill Clinton keeps twisting is one where Obama was asked about backing John Kerry (who voted for the war) though he himself was opposed to it. Obama, not wanting to rip on his own candidate's past vote, compromised by saying that had the vote come to him personally he's not sure which way he would have voted. That's all. No big deal. Bill Clinton is desperate. HE'S the one living in a fairy tale.
America welcome to politics clinton style.
Hillary Clinton can never become president of the United States, shy may only win a few states.
1. She boasts of experience but plants question so that she gives calculated answers
2. She cries for votes when she's not getting them
3. 50% or more of the country already hits her to start with..could get bigger with time
4. she has a promiscuous houseband who is also notorious at lying and twisting information.
Wait....is she going to sit on round table with Al Queada and leaders of the Middle East and say if you don't become friends of America I'll cry right now?
That's really going to work...
Let her just enjoy these few moments which will encourage her to spend more wasteful money on her bogus campaign. In the end she'll be crying even harder.
Obama is probably the clearest orator we have heard in a long time. To publicly misconstrue his words is an apparent attempt to misguide voters. For the Barack campaign, I do not think they have anything to worry about, but for Hillary, I think Bill was "reaching" to help his wife's cause - behavior characteristically typical of some of the "seasoned" crew from Washington.
Lisa Hampton–you are part of the problem that helps put this country on the wrong path. Simply voting on the basis of ethnicty is absolutely crazy, BUT many voters will do just that and not examine the issues. Keep in mind that the president has the power to sign an veto legislation. Some will probably affect you personally so I would suggest you be careful how you vote. Get informed. What research have you really done on your candidate? You may want him there because of ethnicty but he may vote opposite of your belfiefs. What "slimy tactics" did the Clintons use to win NH? It's called POLITICS–the game can change at any moment. People have hated the Clintons for a very long time but strange how Bill got elected twice and the very people who voted for him and have benefited from important legilstation that he passed are the very ones to bash him. But bashing and trashing him for the Moncia thing has nothing to do with what he accomplished as President. Um, I wonder how many of you on this thing both male and famale have never cheated or been cheated upon by your spouse, girlfriend/boyfriend. And I wonder how you would have handled if your dirty laundry had been played out on national TV? Would you have had the psychological strength to endure it? Probably not. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Obama is as big a bag of hot wind as Romney, both talk talk talk and say nothing. Wind bags...absolute wastes of time, both of them.
DONA WITHE SHOULD BE BAN FROM CNN
AL GORE PLEASE RUN FOR PRESIDENT
LOOK WHAT WE HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM
If Obama won I wonder if he could coax Colin Powell into being his running mate? Not likely, but talk about a dream team. Colin Powell had quite a few positive things to say about Obama yesterday. That would be a great bipartisan duo, and would stop any fears about Obama and foreign policy.
Good job in New Hampshire. I knew you could do it with out a doubt. You are on your way now. I know you have a lot on your plate. Just don't push yourself too hard and make yourself sick. We still have a long way to go. My family and I are behind you 100%. I hope after the New Hampshire election the media will back off and start treating you like a human being as they are the rest of the canditates. As far as you Hillary haters, stop the bashing and accept it because she will be you next president.
THE BIGEST LOSERS LAST NIGHT WAS NEO CONS.
BEST TO YOU HILLARY
Obama refused to attack Kerry and Edwards on their Iraq war vote when prodded by New York Times on July 26, 2004. This is also the time when on behalf of Kerry, he gave the now famous speech during the Democratic National Convention (July 26-29, 2004). His generous statesmanship is now being twisted by someone who supported the Iraq war then later claimed that he opposed it from the beginning:
On November 27, 2007, while campaigning for his wife in Iowa (whose Iraq war vote she refuses to apologize for), Bill Clinton said he had been against the Iraq war "from the beginning."
"Even though I approved of Afghanistan and opposed Iraq from the beginning," said Clinton, "I still resent that I was not asked or given the opportunity to support those soldiers."
In 2003, while delivering commencement remarks at Tougaloo College in Jackson, Miss., he said:
"I supported the President when he asked the Congress for authority to stand up against weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."
The reason that Obama will win is that he is not polarizing, and he is very relatable to the American populace. Hillary Clinton is very, very polarizing and could be the poster child of the "establishment" in Washington (at least IMHO). She will NOT get Republican voters and probably will not get a ton of Independent voters (both very important constituencies, I might add). I am a female, Republican historically, and she sure as heck will NOT get my vote, ever. Hillary is extremely condescending when she speaks about Independents and Republicans...in Iowa she said, "Republicans who have seen the light". That oozes condescension and turned me off big time (though I was not a fan of her before that comment either). Obama, on the other hand, very much embraces Republicans and Independents (not to mention Democrats). His message is positive (about hope, change...which has become a much overused term by all nominees, and coming together by all Americans). Moreover, since Obama is relatively new to Washington politics, he probably does not owe favors to lobbyists and supporters like the Clinton's do. Look at Clinton's remarks. Her message is pretty much always about division and negativity...which is something that our country does not need after George Bush (again IMHO).
It is funny to read some of the remarks from Obama supporters. They sound like 5 year old. What is better choice? Billary who could make difference to US as it was done in 90s or Obama who could be potentially another bush- guy you can have beer with.
Hillary can have all the marital problems it is her choice how she wants to deal with it. As for Obama, I have friends to have beer with.
Go clinton 08
Obama should not be suckered into responding to every comment the Clinton's make. We should all know they play the game to keep their opponent on the defensive. Tim Russert has used the analogy of Ali verses Frazier, Obama can't fall for "rope-a-dope" and make statements that make him appear to be worried about Hillary or Bill. For someone who doesn't know what the meaning of "is" is, Bill Clinton should not be interpreting anyone's statements. Obama's positive message is like a breath of fresh air. I vote Republican, but, Obama has a good message and should stay on the offensive. The past 16 years of politic opponent bashing is getting real old.
Other than being a good speaker, I can't see anything good in Obama. He keeps talking about change – but he is so vague abut the changes that he is talking about. He does not give any details whatsoever. But man, he is good with words.
Also him saying that he has opposed to Iraq war is meaningless, becuase he did not have to vote on this.
Hilary is a Fake and takes money from Lobbyist and special interest. How can she help us change this nation and she has already sold her soul the lobbyist and Special interest in Washington.Obama and Edwards did not take any money from special interest and lobbyist.She stands for the Status Quo, the old guard and this is not what the nation wants.
Darre, Are you sleeping with Bill and Hill? Do you really think Bill Clinton and in that case Hillary, has told the nation the turt? Come on now. Bill Clition cheated on his family for years (check the records) and no one has questioned that during this election year.
Their daughter works at a hedge fund so I do not think that Hillary would go after her daughters pay-check like they whent after her boyfreinds.
Check your facts dear.
This election is all about one thing and one thing only–WOMEN.
Period. So Mr. Obama, please realize this and tell Mr. Edwards NOT to gang up on Hillary because WOMEN will not like that. Period. If you want to win this thing, you MUST win with WOMEN. Period.
Now for the women voters out there...If you like slick men like Bill...If you admire egotistical, slick women like Hillary who only have 'history' on their minds and NOT you, and if the characters of people you elect don't matter to you as much as their genders, by all means, elect your Hillary. Get your woman up there. Make her history for her. Just don't come crying when you find that she hasn't helped you or your family in your life. Or when she hasn't provided a good, honest, unself-centered role model for your daughters to follow. Or when she reminds you how great she is, greater even than MLK, while you're still struggling to make ends meet. Don't worry, it's all good. You'll have Bill's oh-so-truthful chuckles and smiles and the establishment-for-'change' to tune into for every state of the union....and of course, let's not forget, you'll have your WOMAN.
hrc crying or breakdown was because someone mentioned something about her look, and she wept wow, i didnt see her weeping when our soldiers were getting killed in iraq, and katrina e.t.c they are a selfish power-hungry couple, its all about what they want!
Obama...Obama...Obama...we wish you God's guidance and we believe in the hope that you have given us. Even in our everyday lives this hope is what is keeping us to be strong to fight life's battles.
United we stand and divided we fall.
God Bless America.
Hillary's experience edge over Obama consists of four years in the Senate. Considering the historically slim mandate afforded the President, I would have to say the opposition put up by the Democrat's to Bush and Cheney driving us off a cliff would have to rank as perhaps the weakest opposition party performance in our nation's history. Post 9/11 hysteria is not too blame –
110 Congressional Democrats voted for the war authorization; 147 Congressional Democrats voted against it – 57.2% of Congressional Democrats got it right! Still trying to figure out why any of the 42.8% who voted yes on possibly the worst mistake in our history even warrant consideration for President.
If Obama wants to insure a victory in S.C. I would suggest that he pretends to cry when the camera's are around. It worked for Hillary, maybe it'l work for him.
As far as Bill Clinton "Twisting his words", everyone posting a comment here are snickering. You have to admit, slick willy's the best there is at that. He's probably a bit upset that he had to do it, as he's been working his magic or revisionist history on his legacy.
These 2 have 2-4 positions on every issue. It's just easier for them that way.
I absolutely disagree with Linda J.
Don't go to his website and look at the machine driven, machine polished, machined spin of a candidate. Go to government websites and look at ALL of his votes, not only the ones his machine want you to know about. That's manipulation, not honesty. It's your opinion that counts, not his.
Don't go to his machines website and get his machines spin on what the current media positions are. Read history books, political literature, and study the issues. There is an abundance of info on the net if you hate books. You can find information on military conflicts involving around the world if you want to understand foreign policy. A two year senator has access to no more information than you. You have a much right (even an obligation) to have your own views on foreign policy. It's your opinion that counts, not his.
You can go to govt websites and legitimate websites to find out everything you need on Medicare and Social Security policy. It is your opinion on social issues that count, not his.
Don't rely on ANY candidates website. If you want your country back, it is more than going to a voting booth. Being involved is more than casting a vote.
Barrister/ uhh seems to me like the only people voting for Hillary are feminist...
It is comical to listen to "Obama" claim that he is the answer to the "people's" cry for change. He sounds like a circus tent revivalist mouthing off borrowed words from past preachers and swindlers who have nothing to offer other than those words linked to nothing.
I cannot believe the American People would be so naive in their desperation for change to consider yet another inexperienced, barely out of diapers politician to lead this country during one of its most challenging periods in history because he is a black, male politician instead of making the simple choice of selecting an experienced, brilliant and strong woman, who by virtue of her gender is already born with abilities that her male counterparts could not even aspire to possess such as courage in the face of aridity and unsurmountable odds, stamina worthy of a Roman Legion, superior communication skills, multi-tasking skills, organizational skills and a tireless will toward diplomacy and peace rather than conflict and war and who has been for decades inspiring her male counterparts with her intelligence and dedication to a job well done.
We should look to the Cherokee People and other Indian Nations for clues on how to run a peaceful and prosperous nation, who had two Chiefs in every tribe.
The War Chief, who was a man, and The Peace Chief, who was a woman.
For everyone who keeps asking how Obama plans to effect the change he keeps talking about, go here and read the OBAMA BLUEPRINT FOR CHANGE:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf
I am starting to dislike OBAMA – he is too cocky and smooth, so beware of the silver tongue – on the other hand I am still in Hillarys corner and hoping she will keep on in the same manner, gosh by the time we get to the actual elections all this talk will be so boring – why not just say look this is what I stand for and this is how I will act and this is what I promise do, make a recording of them all and leave it in the closet till about a month before the election and take the recordings out and play them once more,,getting sick sick sick sick of so much election coverage on TV but feel I should watch so I can stick up for Hillary.
"Bill Clinton was taking some liberties with my statements" is very different from using the word "twisted". CNN, our politics are dirty enough without adding to the mix. Shame on you.
Colie Brice,
You are very intelligent to name him like that–Bill is a cold-blooded liar.
To Scott
HERE HERE!!
OBAMA TALKS SO MUCH RHECTORIC HE TWISTED HIS OWN WORDS
BILL JUST RELAYED WHAT WAS SAID..OBAMA IS A LIAR
Im a dreaded Paulite. So obviously I was disappointed by the Republican results in NH. Im glad Obama is getting a little taste of what is to come... politics is dirty... duh. If he thinks its hard now whats he going to do against the Rep attack machine. They are going to drag him through the mud. I can already hear it... "Osama I mean Obama" ... "his daddy was a Muslim...GASP" .... His middle name is Hussein...AHAHHHH!"... "He refused to place his hand over his heart during the Pledge!!!!" This along with every vote, every comment, every Dean sound...etc scrutinized over and over again...
As far as his love affair with being an agent of change ...give me a break. Any candidate running will bring some change...hopefully a positive change.Obama's fan base... from what Ive observed... are like Elvis fans. Some openly admit they just a have a good feeling about him and that they dont know the details of his plans. You know we tried that 8yrs ago... going with the likable candidate that had less experience. The candidate that promises change and assures us that they will unite us not divide us. People who felt that having a beer with a candidate put to rest any questions as to their ability to handle this job. I dont think we need to go down that road again...
You go Hillary Clinton! Only CNN would publish the above picture of Bill Clinto waving to the crowds with you and Chelsea...There were so many great pictures of you smiling and thanking the crowd but, one-sided CNN chose the picture above. Thanks again CNN for your bias.
you people are flipping out as if he attacked Bill Clinton. All he said was his words got twisted. Which Bill Clinton woulod do... his wife is running for president. I'm telling you though Hillary Clinton's "experience" is b.s., she would be a do nothing president that would get wiped out in 2012, or atleast divide the country further... She would try and have old school Bill try and handle the foreign mess, while she would just be taking up space.... The only real choice for president is Barack Obama...... or John Edwards..
OBAMA '08!!!!!
So, has anybody realized that the last time the Clintons were in the White House, a certain terrorist group was planning their every move to destroy the US due to its hatred for the United States and its government? Oh, no thats right, they only started planning their attack the day Bush took office. Ya Right.
I dont know about you, but I certainly do not want to return to that era, ie: the Clintons in the White House.
Hillary Clinton won the N.H. primary alright, she won. But how pathetic does that sound, and how embarrassing? Through out the 2008 presidential race Sen. Clinton has always portray herself as the inevitable candidate among her fellow demoncratic contenders and she had dwelled in such vain personality until the Iowa Caucuses caused a tremendous setback to her campaign a week ago. After the Iowa Caucuses, Sen. Clinton soon realized she was living in a fairyland. And in order to raise her head a little above the bottomless grave in which she saw herself, she had to cry for the N.H. votes. How sorrowful. This is just the beginning, and let us all remember it as we watch Sen. Clinton's demeanor in the months to come and then we will figure out if she cried because she really do love this country or if she did so to draw sympathy from N.H. voters just to get back in the race which was almost over for her. Keep crying Sen. Clinton; you are good.
Who is running for President - Bill or Hillary? or Is Bill the designated ad man to distort the positions of the candidates - in particular Obama.
I voted for Bill Clinton and I understand he wants his wife to win. I'm surprised somewhat at his actions and making unfair statements regarding Obama.
I saw Bill Clinton on Charlie Rose's show before the Iowa Caucus. He commented that the country needed to elect someone with experience and specifically mentioned Obama. Clinton was asked, and I paraphrasing here, if he's saying Obama is not qualified or lacks experience. Clinton was somewhat evasive, and commented that he likes the guy, but was simply stating that the country needs someone with experience. Bill after that interview and another comment he made that caused some controversy, became a liability and he disappeared from the radar screen.
After the Iowa election, he resurfaces in NH. I saw a clip of him in NH the day with the primary meeting with a group of young people. He was having his own little town hall meeting as if he were running for President. He commented that Obama's was not telling the truth about his position on Iraq. Hilary in her tearing display commented that the country would be making a mistake by voting for someone without experience, that voting is not a game and should be taken seriously by the voters, and the right person need to be nominated or there will not be a change. Did the voters in Iowa not take the process seriously? Was she saying that Obama, since he is her greatest threat for the nomination, is not the right person or could not get elected if he received the nomination? At the New Hampshire debate the candidates were discussing energy and she interjected with a comment about Obama's policy on Iraq. He did not get the opportunity to respond. Not to mention Bill's comment about Obama's candidacy being a fairy tale.
In Oprah's campaigning for Obama, not once did I hear her say anything negative about the other candidates. Her purpose was to introduce the man to the voters and it was done with grace and dignity.
With the above being said, "What will Bill do or say next about Obama to get votes for his wife? Will this now turn into a negative campaign because Bill wants to be President again? What will he say in Nevada, South Carolina etc. to hopefully pull in the votes?
I know this is politics, but if one must resort to distorting the truth, if one must pretend emotion to get a vote, if one must put a negative spin on a candidate, - I question the integrity of that candidate running for the highest office in the land?
Hillary won by a narrow margin in New Hampshire; however, Obama won also because his campaign was won on integrity.
So you tell me, "Who's the candidate - Bill or Hillary?"
Barbara Gray
Obama admits campaign/ PAC donation links
Bad news for the Barack Obama camp and his politics of hope clean-guy image.
The Washington Post reveals today that there was, indeed, close coordination between the Illinois senator's presidential campaign and his leadership PAC, Hopefund, in deciding which local, state and federal politicians around the country were to receive thousands of dollars in contributions from Obama's PAC.Such coordination appears to be forbidden under Federal Election Commission rules because it, in effect, would give a candidate another, less regulated financial fund to influence the outcome of his own campaign. But Obama officials express confidence they violated no rules. The Post's John Solomon reported the other day that Obama's Hopefund had distributed money in the early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire to people like New Hampshire state Sen. Jacayln Cilley, who got $1,000 from Obama last summer. Six days later the Democrat in the nation's first primary state announced her endorsement of his candidacy because she said she believed in him.Likewise, Obama's PAC gave $9,000 to U.S. Rep. Paul Hodes, who was New Hampshire's first congressional member to endorse Obama. In the earlier story Obama spokesmen denied any connection between the PAC and Democratic presidential campaign.But today's piece alters that account and says the PAC has distributed $180,000 to groups and candidates in New Hampshire, South Carolina and Iowa and another $150,000 to similar destinations in states with primary balloting through mid-February.Bob Bauer, private counsel for both Obama's campaign and PAC, named names of those from the campaign who'd help select the PAC's recipients and professed confidence the Obama entities had met all FEC regulations.But Scott Thomas, a Democrat and former FEC chairman, says: "He is clearly pushing the envelope."
Guys,calm down! the Republicans and Independent went back home last nite. In Iowa the conspiracy worked by getting the Repub and Indep to cross over and vote against hillary to make her look bad. The media also played their part by telling the people of Iowa how to beat Hillary. " get the repub, Indep, and everyone in the Hood to turn-out against Hillay.. They tried to do the same thing in New Hamshire but the one man, one vote did them in.. Way to go Hillary. She will win the nomination..
YAWN!!!!
May be we should have South Carolina today for Hillary to win . Big Bill blamed the media for not giving Hillary enough time to recuperate from Iowa fiasco. Hellooo!
SOUTH CAROLINA here we come. The Truth shall be told. ... All ye Hillary apologists
I think it is hilarious that so many of the Clinton supporters are talking about how they think Obama is whining when all Clinton did after losing Iowa was whine and even cry! Every sentence out of her mouth was just a big self pity party. All Obama was doing was defending himself against false accusations. I would expect ANY candidate to do the same.
Until this election, I've never soooo many people go on and on and on so ignorantly about how important experience is! Let's not forget about raw talent, the ability to listen and to think constructively, not to mention the ability to inspire others while being critically decisive. What good is experience without those traits?
And what experience are people alluding to, exactly? Experience in supporting a political system that is largely responsible for the Middle East instability that brought about 9/11? Yes. What these people who cite Obama's lack of experience are saying is really, "We want the status quo. We want to continue to push American values on the rest of the world BEFORE we even begin to try and understand who it is that we're dealing with. And in our naivete we'll continue to be baffled when the world lashes back at us. Because that is what those with political experience have done up until now."
Don't get me wrong, experience is an important factor, but if anything, in this case its merits are doubtable at best. As much as Clinton's voice may break, and as much as she may try to say differently, she is firmly entrenched in the old guard mentality and she'll continue right in step with the Bush-Clinton-Bush-(Clinton) program, what with Bill constantly hovering over her shoulder.
Obama has a much better chance of bringing a fresh perspective to revitalize the U.S. political landscape which has really become the country's great shame as of late.
I have to disagree with the poster that said Hillary is the most divisive in American Politics. GEORGE is most divisive, deadly. arrogant and narcisstic. politician and leader throughout the world.
He's now on a new path trying to resurrect some fame and glory by rattling the Iran Cages to see if he can stir up the Lions.
I truly believe he will use any excuse he can find to initiate a war with Iran before he has to leave the WH. And it will be all about saving his face and mustering a bit of glory for the History Books of tomorrow! So I must thank all the Americans who elected this pathethic shell of man as President of your Great Nation not once but Twice! KUDOS
He may be in for a big surprise this around however. As Putin will not be with him he'll be on the other side and I suspect the other side will have a few more world leaders as well.
Someone made a good point above that this was basically a tie. They both got the same number of delegates and that is all that matters. What he or she left out is that despite Obama's supposedly large victory in IA, he only got one more delegate than Hillary. As for superdelegates, she has about 65% more than he does. So, the reporting all around on who won this or that state and what it means has been bogus hype. What is true is she is way ahead in delegates right now. So, she is winning the race without "really" winning either state.
I am so proud of OBAMA! He is a true example of the American Dream. Regardless how this race turns out, I think he has shown that nothing is impossible. He has done an excellent job illustrating what he plans to do as the next President of the United States. He has just as much EXPERIENCE as JOHN F KENNEDY did when he was elected. He is highly educated, poised, and presidential in nature. This is the leader the USA needs to represent us in the Global Community as a diplomat. Just because one candidate served as First Lady, does not mean she has more experience. OBAMA has what it takes and I believe the American people can see through the lies of the Clinton campaign. As any young person today in a high position will tell you, experience does not guarantee expertise. There are a lot of people older in age, but that does not guarantee RESULTS. We need this new, fresh face in politics, to represent a new America that will use bipartisan ideas to move the country forward. Enough about the first black or the first woman president! While these are both important to progress, we need to select whoever is in the best position to unite Americans and move this nation forward. There is no rule in the US Constitution that says you must be VP before President, so as far as I am concerned OBAMA is READY NOW. American cannot wait for tomorrow, because today is the time to change the state of out nation. Go OBAMA and thank God for all the Americans in New Hampshire that came out to vote for change and selected OBAMA. The rest of us are excited and cannot wait to go to the polls to vote for OBAMA as well! Change today, because tomorrow is not guaranteed!
I hope her tactics in fighting terrorism are not the same that she uses against Obama—crying and stealing her opponent’s slogans.
My money is on the fact that most of the pro-clinton posting support are Republicans. They know she's their best chance to keep the White House.
to blogger Ohio: Re Obama's speech referencing drug companies and health insurance companies having a seat at the table: That was Obama's comment on Edwards' speech when Edwards said that the health insurance companies and drug companies will not have ALL the seats at the table...But doesn't Obama have a big time lobbyist on his campaign team as we speak (blog)?
I also think it's important to point out that Hillary lost by a much wider margin in Iowa than Obama did in NH. Hillary lost by 9 points in Iowa (coming in 3rd), while Obama only lost by 2 points in NH (coming in 2nd). His rise in NH is astounding if you look at where he was just 2 weeks ago. NH was supposed to be a no-contest no matter what happened in Iowa. It's even more impressive if you look back a few months. Obama was firmly behind Edwards AND Clinton in NH, but he pulled within a few points of first place.
Since when is clariftying your position whining? The only problem is he should have done it sooner.
I thought I heard him congratulate Hillary in his speech last night....sounds pretty gracious to me.
Actually, the American people were the losers last night...the Clintons in particular. To see a former president attack a candidate of the same party in such a negative manner is disheartening. It would have been more logical for him to share Hillary's so called 35 years of accomplishments.
Obama may very well get the nomination. It will be extremely difficult for President Clinton or Hillary to lend their support to the democratic party in crunch time. It was an extremely selfish move by the Clintons. This is exactly why Americans need a change. This is politics of the past.
I hate to point this out, but while valuable, experience isn't everything. We've had plenty of experienced presidents who were able to goof just fine on a fantastic scale.
Clintons dont like to lose. Hang in thier Obama, you an inspiration. Keep boycotting FOX!
all i have to say is if Clinton gets it.. i'm moving to canada
The point Senator Clinton was making is that after the Nov.07' election, the platform the citizens voted for was to bring home our troops. Bush"W" immediataly afterwards shun the citizen vote and inplemented his "The Decider Surge" . The Democrars had to have at lease 60% of the vote to override his dictoral forcefulness. Senator Barack went to the side of Bush"W" That's what Senator Cleton was referring to. She voted opposite of Senator Barack. She stated she voted against Bush:W:'s decider vote because he lied already to her and the American citizen on information justifying attacking Iraq. You know that bushbots. You are making the art of eating your hats a common feat.
i wish these blogs were civil dialogue rather than petty mudslinging/namecalling.
there is rarely substance and fact to any of these posts.
whats worse is that it is from all comers, not just one side or the other.
as a first time voter, i just realized why people become politically apathetic. this is absolutely ridiculous.
Can't you do the attacking yourself, Hillary?
I will put out a solid bet that the only way Democrats are going to lose this election is by making "Clinton" the nominee! Thank you Republicans for bring back to the conscience of America the following:
"Hello, I never had sex with that woman, but now I will when HC is overseas!"
"What is, depends on your definition of "is": What IS taking money from...?
For those who have been following the Republican machine, there was a series that showed the number of FILE CABNETS that have been developed for the Clintons. Like the "ferry-boat", she is going to sink along will all the Democrats again! Wake up America, the enemy NEVER goes to sleep.
Way to go Clintons! Obama can now call the Clintons his Godparents for their Baptismal of him into the REAL world of politics.
Obama was getting too cocky; even referring to the down Clinton campaign, as "depressing, pathetic and desperate". Maybe they were, but now take it in the teeth. Be aware, be humble, people are watching and listening, and the more this happens, the more they're going to figure out that the Emperor (Obama) has no robe..
I would like to know the following?
A) What bill of bills has he been involved in the Senate , since he has
been there?
B) Has he changed his health proposal since it was found that
it doesn't cover everybody?
C) What specific steps would he take to end our conflict (War)?
D) What experience (s) does he have that allows him to think
that he should be our President?
E) How many votes, has be made and had his vote count?
Other then being present?
F) He has great speaking skills, he is very smart and he is
appealing but what strength does he possess that would
make hom a strong candidate for the position of President?
Bill and Hillary are a joke. A vote for another Clinton is not a vote for change.
Hillary Clinton whips up a few fake tears and you idiots in NH fell for it. Pathetic.
How long before John Edwards, a good man, realizes he's playing the role of Ross Perot for the Clintons?
Now you started against the Clintons. Last night all the Obamaniacs were quiet. Many idiots are there. Go and work lazy guys!
Hillary'08!
Damien, not to go on a tangent, but radiation hardened (rad-hard) technology is used for any environment with high radiation, not just in the event of a nuclear detonation. Rad-hard is also useful in protection of radiation encountered in space and low-earth orbit from cosmic rays, solar particle events, and when in the Van Allen belt. In other words, Rad-hard chips are VERY useful in satellite applications!
I'd avoid commenting on things you know very little about, or at least read the wikipedia page on radiation hardened equipment.
Hilary is Smart, as is Bill, as far as i am concerned there was 1 mistake made in the Clinton years, and BIG DEAL none of anyone's business, Hilary will make a fine President of the United States and they will make a great team. Oh ya and Bill Clinton is the only one who fits in that catagory, not to bright.
when President Obama takes the oath of office, Alot of you good ol' boys in Washington are...........otta here.
alot of you CORPARATE THUGS are..........otta here
alot of you DRUG COMPANY VAGABONS are...........otta here
alot of you HEALTH CARE INSURANCE CRONIES are........otta here
alot of you deep pocket CROOKED LOBBIESTare.....otta here
and guess what....
I saved alot of money switching to OBAMA!!!!!!
FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ASK ,WHAT WILL OBAMA CHANGE.?...uhm WASHINGTON!!!
it's about time!!!!
To Linda:
GIVE ME A BREAK!!! So, you won't vote for the person who has the most experience and shows strength IN OFFICE because she decided to honor her marriage vows and give her cheating husband another chance?? How does that say she won't stand up for her country? If she takes a vow to protect her country, that means SHE WILL DO IT, NOT WALK AWAY OR LIE TO THE PEOPLE LIKE GWB DID. That would be the most pathetic excuse NOT to vote for her. On the contrary, I think the fact that she DID stay with him shows her strength and character. She was not an abused woman. If so, then I probably might not respect her. However, do you realize how many men cheat on their wives? The divorce rate in this country would be 90% if all the woman then left. Obama is a "nice speaker", and has a great outlook, however, he does not have experience at all. And, I'd like to hear, along with others, about HOW he expects to produce the change he is talking about without any experience. Look at what we have in the WH now. A man who tagged along on his daddy's coat tail.
Also, to all you people condemning her because of Bill's lies, that was HIS lies, not hers, AND, did it effect the economy what his extracurricular affairs were in the Oval Office? NOT! Did it put our country at risk? NO! Did it triple our deficit? NO!
Hillary is a strong, experienced woman and she has my vote. GO HILLARY!@!
The way I see it, the election process is liken to an elaborate job interview. Assuming all candidates have met the basic requirements to fill the position, all that is left in the decision making process is prior experience. It is not probable that any candidate would have presidential experience, thus leaving only one option, deciding which one has the most experience in a related field. Get real, no one would hire a person to fill a high level position based on what he says he will do. The White House is no place for on-the-job training.
Prior to the civil rights movement, there were so many nearsighted folks that couldn’t realize the “fairy tale” of ending racial equality, likewise a fairy tale of an Arkansas governor with infidelity issues occupying the white house. The truth is, we love fairy tales and hope our dreams come to pass through them. Yesterday was necessary, what’s the use of a win without a fight? Stay tuned for the next fairy tale… More tears for Hillary on Feb 5 and the White house occupied by a guy who dreams big for our country and happens to be black. Clintonites... Get ready to hang it up!
My memory of the Bill Clinton administration is a lot of compromised promises and a lack of commitment to ideals. I worry that when HRC says she wants to bring the troops home, that she is not really as committed and sincere as the other Dem candidates. Are we going to hear "If I knew then what I know now" and be jerked around for four more years, while our troops remain in harms way in Iraq? At least with McCain it is WYSIWYG but with Hillary isn't it GIGO? Also, the Clintons are so willing to role over to corporate interests and to make deals with them. Isn't Edwards correct about universal healthcare, when hes says we need to slap down the insurance companies so that there is a level playing field so that we can really revamp the system properly? Wasn't it Bill and Hill who were so gungho about NAFTA and now that our jobs are evaporating (as predicted by Ross Perot) Hillary is parroting her "If I knew then what I know now" mantra. I think people are not familiar with Barak Obama so that frightens them, but I still believe he would really bring some honesty and integrity to the office of the Presidency. My experience with the Clintons is that they do not deliver their promises, they do not stand by their ideals or even their supposed friends (remember Lani Guinier?) and that they really say whatever is polically expediant and go whichever way the wind blows, that is why HRC gave the OK to Bush to preempt a war in Iraq in the first place – she was playing to the "mood" of the country. I am concerned and worried. I think Bill really wants to get back to the WH and will use all of his considerable persuasion skills to get HRC elected. But let us not forget, that the reason Bil was so detested by the right, was not his politicks as much as the fact that he would seduce them with handshake promises he did not keep. The Clintons were and are still polarizing and we need to have a new beginning and national unity for our country to move ahead. And, I am sure, no future Dem administration will deny Hillary her moment in the sun, when it comes to healthcare policy.
Two things.
First, at the beginning of this lousy illegal war, once we had troops in the field, all of us, for and against , the war had to stand united – there wasn't much choice. Obama has always expressed his opposition to this war – remember, when funding bills are put together there are things in them that if you vote against the bill you are always hurting someone. So, you have to weigh your opposition to what you want the soldiers in the field to have. Obama, being a moral man, always went the moral road.
2) I strongly encourage everyone to read Adrianna Huffington's 1/7 post: Portrait in Cynicism: Hillary Attacks Obama from Every Angle" – it is stunning what you will learn about the garbage that went on the days before the primary. I always admired her until recently – I'm sorry, you can't just do and say ANYTHING in order to get elected – you should retain your moral authority – Obama has done this – he sticks to the issues and the facts – always! The only thing I will have to think about if Clinton gets the nomination is the Supreme Court – I know I won't be able to vote against her because of that – the only question will be if I can hold my nose and cast a vote for her – as a woman I am truly ashamed of what she and her team stooped to.
Bill acted as a republican. He thinks after him and his wife nobody
else at the democratic party can be president. They think they are the only family with right to be president. No other are qualified for them. After me is you and
nobody else. It's sad for democrat. there is no progress, no hope for other. I hope
people will give a chance to Obama for a real Change. Go Obama.
Obama is such a WHINER! When he doesn't like the truth he whines that he's the poor victim of negative politics. Hey, Obama, you said it, you snorted it. Be a man and quit whining because you're starting to sound like George Bush.
UGH! Barack now has Jesse Jackson running his mouth down in SC and slamming Hillary and making fun of a woman who cries. So much for good guy Barack! Lies lies lies! It's ON! I'm even crossing over and supporting the Republicans with outting you. Thank you for dividing my party!
What I see happening from all this is
the percentage of people who would never vote for Hillary is going to grow.
Making her completely un-electable in a general election.
If that is a good thing or a bad thing, depends on whom your asking.
Chrissy
"Is everyone forgetting that he wouldn't even put his hand over his heart to say the pledge about a month ago? Is that the type of Prez we want?"
Please check your facts:
http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/category/
LOOK AT THE VIDEO HE PUTS HIS HAND ON HIS HEART!!! (look for yourself)
It would be great if people formed INFORMED, INTELLIGENT opinions instead of listening to rumours.
"Obama Said His Grandfather Taught Him The Pledge And To Put His Hand Over His Heart, "During The National Anthem You Sing." Obama said, "My grandfather taught me how to say the Pledge of Allegiance when I was 2...During the Pledge of Allegiance you put your hand over your heart. During the national anthem you sing."
BTW I'm an Edwards supporter. Obama is my second choice. If Hill-arious is elected I will be one of the Democrats that WILL NOT throw my support in her corner. She is going to safely alienate the Edwards/Obama votes....and that won't win her the presidency. Her victory was small. 48 states to go!!!
We darn sure don't want Obama's DNA in the Whitehouse!
Talk about slick will you?"Slick Obama" is the watchword of the day.He's uniting americans alright.He's uniting more and more of us against him every time he opens his lying mouth.You think Clinton is a liar?He's the Pope compared to "Slick Obama",
"Just send me money and give me your vote and I'll make everything all better!".Yeah,that sure sounds like he's different doesn't it,yeah right!
That's the real Obama druggie thought process at work.
Here's what he was probably thinking when it came to vote on Iraq:
"I'm the junior Senator from Illinois.I'm a black democrat.The war is going to pass easily no matter what I do.If I vote for it I'm not going to advance my career but if I vote no I've got a shot to get some notoriety.If the war turns out well,nobody's going to care that I voted against it because my real dream of being president won't happen but if it turns out that the war goes badly,I can really make some advances in my career.What do I have to lose? YEAH,THAT'S THE TICKET!I can get power that way.Yeah,that's the ticket.I can always tell them down the road that I had a dream to be the first black president,no,just that I have a dream,yeah that's the ticket.IHave a Dream!Now just where did I hear that before?Heck,if the war goes right I can always tell them that I was too young and inexperienced to vote for it,yeah that's the ticket.Too young and inexperienced but only if the war turns out okay.I can't tell them that now.Yeah that's the ticket,the ticket to get what I want.I'll just tell everyone that I have a dream for them,yeah,that's the ticket.They're dumb enough to go for that".
I third to Gbryant 's comment.
To the Hillary supporters who continually bash Barack Obama: "The day will come when this outrageous and unfounded arsenal will come back and bite you on the backside." I really believe Barack Obama will be the Nominee, but if it's Hillary- you will need the millions of Obama supporters.
Keep up the BS and you will ensure another Republican Administration in 2009.
In the words of the next President, "YES WE CAN!!"...and you need to wake up and stop acting like republicans!! This isn't a fairy-tale and it's not false hopes...It's REAL.
Debbie,
Oh please Hillary did not stay with Bill for any marriage vows. Why would she wreck the Clinton machine? She had full intentions of running for president before Bill's term was even up. If they went through divorce, it would have politically ruined both of them. So then she ran for Congress. When was that, 7 years ago? So why are we considering her SO experienced when she's only been in Congress a FEW more years than Obama.
Give me a break, all of those involved with Obama are former Bill Clinton advisors., NO CHANGE!
I'm voting for a republican if slickster Obama gets the nom,
I don't think voting for change means voting for another politician that tap dances around their past record.
On October 2, 2002, when majority of the Americans supported invasion of Iraq (see for example polling data collected on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_popular_opinion_on_invasion_of_Iraq), Barack Obama gave a passionate speech against the war. He was a senator in the Illinois State Senate at the time, a rising star with a stake in his political career as much as any other politician. In fact, this was preceding his run for the U.S. Senate beginning 2003.
Here are some excerpts from his speech, but here’s also a link to his full speech: http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php
“After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again. I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.
What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
He also predicted, in the same speech, the type of problems we would have if we invaded Iraq:
“I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.”
When did CNN become so biased? I think it's becoming more and more obvious that this organization has an agenda against the Clintons, and I think it's unfair. And all this time I really have respected CNN...
Obama likes to take stands after the votes happen. In other words, he doesn't have to commit himself to a position without the benefit of "hindsight". Politicians who do not vote on particular issues should not use those issues to define their political posture or position. In fact, they need to use the issues they vote on to make that case.
The truth is, nobody knows how Obama would have voted on Iraq. I don't know why anybody cares. Obama needs to take a stand now on issues, and, let's face it - he could be wrong. Let's hear Obama in detail on immigration, Iran,
Afghanistan, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, a resurgent Putin and Russia, Chinese militarism, the failing U.S. dollar and other troubling issues.
Since he doesn't a whole lot of experience dealing with those types of serious problems, I'll bet he'll be wrong.
See Barack Obama Run!
I think the one thing everyone forgets is that this young black senator from Illinois has single handedly changed the political landscape for republicans and democrats. Weather you like him or not. Our weather you think he has enough experience or not. Every American owes Barrack Obama a debt of gratitude. He going against all odds just stop and think about it. His skin color, his Muslim Grandmother, multi racial background, experience, and he was raced by a single mom, also his willingness to fight for economic equality for all people. I really admire him to put his reputation his family and yes his life on the line. I only wish him God speed and good will. Barrack has really forced all the candidates to bring there A game and get in touch with the people. They can know longer feed the public a bunch of lies and spin. I am so proud of him and I think every American should stop and think what would the presidential race would be like with out him. God Bless you all and Barrack and his family. He is a great American that embodies the true American sprit. See Barrack Obama Run!
Walter Mason
Salt Lake City, Utah
This guy's inexperience is telling !!!!!! Look at what he says ....
"I said from the start that Iraq was a bad idea. I also said from the beginning that if we were gonna go in then ...."
Basically, he has said both for and against the war in the same breath!! He himself doesnt have one single stance!
Obama supporters ... please start looking for things deeper than just those glorious words that he keeps repeating! He is all gas and no substance!
IF HILLARY WINS = NO CHANGE AND AMERICA WILL BE ECONOMY WILL COLLASPE AND THE OUR COUNTRY WILL BE WEAKER.
IF OBAMA WINS = CHANGE AND AMERICA WILL LIVE ON AND BE STRONGER AND PEOPLE WILL BE MORE HAPPIER.
Lastly, I think Bill Clinton want to be president again, not Hillary.
Am I the only one who finds Hillary Clinton a wee bit condescending? People voted with their minds for me, not their hearts? So anyone who disagrees with her platform and agrees with another candidates lacks intelligence??? Hillary, if you want to go all the way to the White House, I might respectfully suggest taking the "insult the electorate" tactic out of your playbook.
Obama, like Romney is a big bag of hot wind, talk talk talk, both say nothing. Yuck!
The following is beginning to circulate:
"Major allegations of vote fraud in New Hampshire are circulating after Hillary Clinton reversed a mammoth pre-polling deficit to defeat Barack Obama with the aid of Diebold electronic voting machines, while confirmed votes for Ron Paul in the Sutton district were not even counted."
What do you think?
CNN predicted a 10 points lead before last night's primary. Hillary won in a very narrow margin. It was a very close call, but that's a vote swing of at least 12 points. She is definitely the "Comeback kid" in every sense. I hope the rest of the states will also give her the comback she rightly deserves and needs.
I don't understand this anti-Clinton sentiment from supporters of Obama & Edwards camps. Why are they so spiteful? Some of them even consider voting Repulican if their candidate does not win the national primary. Certainly, everyone has the right to vote which way his/she likes. I respect that right. I just don't understand the rationale behind it. I'm a steadfast Clinton supporter. But , if somehow Obama or Edwards emerges as the nominee, I will definitely vote for the guy because I'm all for the "people" and not just one "person."
Bill Clinton, just like his wife and her campaign, are sounding just like racist pigs.
Obama needs to bring up Bill Clinton's disgraced white house as long as he continues to attack Obama. He also should continue to demand their white house papers that show all Hillary's 'experience?' Afterall, they need to compare experiences. But all Hillary has on Obama is age which is the only thing being mistaken for her 'experience'.
The Clintons are trying to make Obamas positons and ideas similar to Hillary. They have have become bankrupt of ideas. The fact remains that Obama opposed the war from the start and no twisiting of facts will change. By the way, I do not know why this is about Bill Clinton, is he running for a third term? Americans need to wake up!
well said GiGiovanna
IOWA PICKS CORN AND NEW HAMPSHIRE PICKS PRESIDENTS
*:• •:*¨¨*:•.* HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON*:• •:*¨¨*:•.*
Please stay away from that snake oil salesman of "HOPE" and "CHANGE". He is only talk and no substance. We are better off voting for a candidate with experience and who can get advice from the people who gave us 8 Golden years of great economy and peace.
Even the New York Times Editorial talked about Bill Clinton's "hurling himself over the edge on Monday with a bizarre and rambling attack on Mr. Obama. " It is a sad day when a Democrat uses the Swift Boat mentality to try to win an election. Barack Obama, a man of integrity, would never stoop to Bill and Hillary's level of negative campaigning. I hope the American people will recognize the lies, racist undertones, and deceptions that Hillary and Bill Clinton are using. The American people were fooled by Bush and his campaign tactics. Please don't be fooled again by Hillary and Bill's!
This strikes at the heart of Obama's message. Does this country still want war? If the answer is "yes", Hillary's experience is perfectly clear. She has sided every time with the President.
I first met Obama at his now famous 2002 "this is a rash war" speech. His position has been very loud for very long to anyone who will listen, and very clear and consistent. If the answer is “no”, the country does not want war, Obama is the clear choice.
I'm saddened that our country is distracted by the fear and warmongering moving forward. I had hoped our country was beyond this. Please people - move past your bitter war lust. Our country bleeds yet again.
Whats the point of having more experience if the experience is bad experience?
Listen to what people from Hillary's state are saying about her. Rochester is losing record numbers of jobs, but she promised a 200,000 person increase in jobs for upstate NY in 1999. It's not just Rochester it's the whole of upstate NY. Farmers are losing there farms; 600 farms were lost in 05-06. For an area that prides ourselves on local farming that is a very depressing statistic.
BobW from Rochester made some interesting points as well.
People please do some fact checking on what this woman has done as a NY senator. As far as I'm concerned her experience is that of NOT coming through on her campaign promises, and if experience is such a BIG factor then we should all expect the same from a Hillary presidency.
I think the majority of you should learn politics before you comment. Wasn't it slick willy who gave us NAFTA how many of your family members or friends have loss job due to that policy, didn't he give China a cruicial nuclear chip, wasn't he jocking or hinting about making a run as the UN secratary. How patriotic can that be.
By the way Mrs. Billary universal health plan looks real good.
Drug and device makers have donated about $275,000 to Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, making her the top recipient of money from that sector, followed by Mr. Obama, with $261,400, and Mr. Romney, with nearly $259,000.
It's all politics they all lie dem and rep at least Obama is trying to to bring the American people into the lying process, by lying to ourself saying we want change. Same old song different group same old song, I rather sing a new tune with Obama or vote for a Rep then hum along with the Clinton's.
Funny all Clinton's fan are shouting how good the economy was when Bill was in office learn your politics it was a pay/go policy forged by G.W. Bush Sr. LEARN YOUR POLITICS PEOPLE .
Lou Dobbs hit it on the head with his column about this election!
Instead of the political pundants sitting there predicting who the next President will be, they should get out there and do their checking on the candidates fully like reporters are suppose to do and then ask the hard questions to every candidate and be hard on them for loosey goosie responses and do what they are suppose to do in asking the candidates what the public voters want to know!
After all, since when was it the Media became the decider of who the people want to elect? The Meida has be very petty this year in how they have conducted the coverage of the campaign trail, focusing on meaningless and trivial things and placing smoke and mirrors over substance and realizm!
Time to go beyond the smoke and mirror feel good preaching, tears, religious rhederic, this persons likeability and so on rediculous campaigning that has thus far consumed the campaign trail! It is time to confront each candidate and ask the tough questions such as first 100 days in office what will you do and how will you impliment your plan of....
How each will answer and what will be the answers will show what to expect in the next White House!
mabepko January 9, 2008 2:29 pm ET
You know how to use your computer to reach Obama.com?
Everything is there concerning Obama's plan for America.
You can't believe that a highly intelligent, highly educated and highly competent University lecturer wouldn't know to have specifics on his national subject matter; do you? LOL
Please, Obama is not a high school drop out. LOL
It take more than good speeches, promises, to be president. if we want change we will have the first woman, we need experiencia she has, vison for future , smarts, comun sense,and good advise she has all. Do you remember the surplus that we have, respect and amiration for this Country ? we can get all that back and more. We are more, we are going to make happen.
CONGRATULATIONS HILLARY GO FOR, WE ARE WITH YOU
It's very difficult to me to believe that Obama will bring changes if elected president. He seems to freeze when faced with a difficult decission and that's why he avoids voting yes or no and just indicates present as his record states in the state senate of Illinois. my question is what is he going to do when he gets a bill to sign if elected president, is he going to just put it aside and let it drag until time for reelection comes, that way he can't be blamed for either signing or not signing the bill. I was actually leaning toward Obama but there's a lot of open questions that he can't answer because he's been too calculating all his life in order to preserve a clean voting record when running for president. As of right now I'll follow the other candidates to see what they have to offer.
Sen. Obama, I would suggest when you make comments about our former president, you address him properly. He is President Clinton.
" Hey, Obama, you said it, you snorted it. Be a man and quit whining because you're starting to sound like George Bush." POSTED BY SHARON.
Sharon, what are you talking about? If there is anyone that has not whined after all the slander, name calling, and viciousness, it is GWB. You may not like the man or his politics (and that's fine, it's your perogative), but he has conducted himself with class without resorting to the gutter politics of the Democrat Party.
I'm an independent. If the democratic party is foolish enough to elect clinton as their nominee they will invite Nader to make another run pulling the liberals away from the Clinton machine and push the independents toward a republican or third party candidate. The dems will once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I am woman, hear me roar. Go Hillary Go. LOL
Hard questions are starting to come to Obama, thanks to Bill. Sure enough, he tried to wiggle out of the obvious contradictions.
It's going to be a long week for him.
Why did Hillary win? It's the polls, stupid?
I'm sick of the word "experience" more than I am sick of the word "change."
What makes all of you think that in order to be a great leader or to be qualified to be President of the United States, you need to have "experience"? GWB had lots of "experience" in government and in leadership roles...... before and while he has been President ......... SO THE MORAL IS.........
"EXPERIENCE" DOES NOT MAKE A GREAT, GOOD, COMPETENT, OR EVEN INTELLIGENT PRESIDENT...........
Apparently she came back but what has actually stricken me after New Hampshire is the confirmation of how poor candidate Hillary actually is.
Otherwise let's just compare the tone and content of both her's and Obama's speeches. Barack made a positive address, charged with emotion and power, stressed his political views and displayed an apparently genuine predisposition for change. Clinton made a shy speech more focused on herself and on how thanked she was to New Hampshire as it has, apparently, saved her campaign. And Hillary made an amazing revelation: that New Hampshire made her found her voice. That can only mean that she didn't have one before and makes me believe even more that her candidature is more a result of a personal ambition and less from desires of serving and changing the current status quo.
For the first time Obama sounded fake last night.
Obama needs to question why Rupert Murdoch, the owner of Fox News is having fund raisers for clinton. Talk about being bought and paid for by the vast right wing conspiracy. The clintons are disgusting and their supporters are dumb as dirt.
That's it. All this has affirmed that I am either voting for Edwards or I am turning republican. So what, he had a pricey haircut. I am sure Obama or Clinton have ridiculous expenses somewhere along the line, suits, shoes etc. I am so SICK of the Obamamainia and the Clinton Haters that I am going to back Edwards all the way while those two tear each other apart. Feel free to join me.....
Who is running for the office of president? is it Hill or Bill, maybe it's the hillbilles. There is still time to put our country back on the right path. But it's not the Clintons that can do it. I have to give the Clintons credit, they know how to make people feel sorry for them when they are losing. Maybe we should feel sorry for the people in Iowa when they put Clinton in third place. Hillary loved the people in Iowa, untill they didn't vote for her, now they are losers and hick farmers who know nothing. Now look at Bill he is mad and up set because people are not treating is wife with the respect she is due. Was Bill mad and up set with himself when he was having all those affairs behind Hillary's back, or maybe he was in frount of her, either way she didn,t care, so don't worry now Bill, it will be ok. The polls say that president Bush has lied to the people, is hard headed will not listen to reason, does what he wants. The name of the game is change, so why would we want to replace this president with the great Clintons who are the best liers, cheaters, corrupt people we have seen in along time. Just look at the ninties all the lies cheating and corruption having two good friends killed, because they were going to go public about the Clintons. Do we need this again, even having the Clinton mob take out some more of their friends. I am a democrat, but I could not vote for the HILLBILLIES
Imagine Bill Clinton twisting someone else's words or not telling the truth! This man of honor, oops, dishonor.
We're all going to suffer having two Clintons sharing (?) the White House.
Whose the boss?
Oval Office antics?
Where's Dr. Phil.
Hide the Red Phone!
For those of you coted or will vote for Hillary, I guess you are all just dumb enough to be ruled by two families for almost 24 years. For god sake, this is US and not a nepotic middle east where a sheik and his cronies rule until the line dies off. Barack is the face of this country to the world and for every intellectual with hope. without Bill, Hillary amounts to nothing. But Barack has risen from grounds up. Give him credit for that.
My only fear is that if Barack loses the nomination race, all those of us, who believe in him may lose any respect for this politico-electoral process and stay out of this mess for ever.
I hope Barack gets nominated and eventually wins the general and I can go around the world with my head up and confident that we are the leaders of this free world again. But until that happens, I will arise, awake and will not stop supporting the revolution across this nation.
Join in folks, be part of the history and say good bye to same-old same-old.
All for Obama
Why can't people just let Obama defend himself from false attacks? Bill Clinton knew his wife's campaign was on the ropes and said biting remarks the night before the election in the hopes that Obama would not have time to fully defend himself. It worked. Bill Clinton is a master politician, and we should certainly give props to the Clinton ticket as a whole. While Bill undermined Obama's credibility, Hillary answered the charges against her lack of personality with a well-timed performance. They did exactly what they had to do in a state that strongly supported Bill during his run. If you are Obama, defend yourself, but dont worry – the longer you are in the race, the better. Edwards will run out of money and steam eventually, and with his votes will come more support for the Obama campaign. In addition, Hillary will have to start distancing herself from Bill. She cant expect him to keep doing New Hampshires and legitimize herself in the face of such a charismatic, uplifting figure like Obama. Hillary has the social grace of a can of mase. I think undecided votes will realize that she is such a polarizing figure around this country that a more universally accepted candidate like Obama will be preferable. In the meantime, Obama should continue to defend himself, yet maintain his positive, partisan message.
Gary,
You emphasize Obama's status as "Junior" senator. Lest no one else has mentioned it, so is Hillary. Most of the experience Junior Senator Clinton has going for her involves being the WIFE of a leader, as an elected official she only has four years on Obama. Now, admittedly she worked hard and did good things during her husband's terms in Washington and Arkansas, but to get the thirty-five years she goes on and on about, you must include the dubious distinction of being the only first lady in history to be served a federal subpoena.
On another note, am I the only one who finds the "cry baby Obama" posts to be a bit ironic after Hillary's "tearful" moment? Incidentally, while "choking back tears" she said "I don't want to see things slide backwards". Backwards to what? Bush? Her husband? Frankly I think way too much was made of her "emotional moment". All I saw in that footage was a person who had been campaigning thirty hours a day for a month and was ready to crack, a situation all of the candidates on both sides are in. I'm amazed none of them have really snapped yet. I doubt the average person could handle that much pressure for so long
sounds to me like Bill is running , not Hilary
Bo Ho Barrak. You lost because people saw that you had a one word/one issue platform. The hollow promise of "change" lost, experience won. Big Bad Billy Boy didn't "take liberties with you". You lost because you stand for nothing and people saw right through the smoke and mirors.
Bill and Hill doing what they do best -lie lie lie. Obama opposed the war from the get-go... But anyone with common sense knows that even if you oppose the war, you can't ignore our soldiers...I don't want our soldiers over there either, but they need to eat, and they need to arm themselves!! DUH! The only way I will continue to believe that we actually do live in a democratic society, is if Obama wins. There is just too much that goes on behind closed doors that us "little people" don't know about. Obama will make everything transparent. I just pray that our system isn't that tampered with so that the people's voices will be heard and we are screaming OBAMA!!!
HolliA calm down... Jeez. I was merely giving you a taste of what Obama is going up against. The fact is it doesnt matter what the facts are... it doesnt matter where he put or didnt put his hand. The Reps took an honored Vietnam vet and turned his whole military carrier upside down. Obama doesnt have a clue... of whats to come
Are Clinton's the only smartest people in America ? Can't we do without them? They need to leave us alone .No way backwards to the scandals.
I think Bill Clinton's sour grapes extend beyond this primary season. It is clear that regardless of how this turns out, Obama is the new superstar of the Democratic party. Their future rest on his shoulders. Worst case scenario for Obama is Hillary gets the nomination and wins the election while Obama becomes a star in the senate, further solidifying his stature, 4-8 years from now he will be unstoppable. He wins either way really. Hillary can't really survive a defeat her, she has more at stake. Bill gets to repair his shaky legacy through his wife. Barack Obama is the spoiler, he overshadows anyone around him, including the former president. If you ask me, Bill Clinton is so vehement in his attacks of Obama because his ego can't take someone else being held up as the savior of the party, like he was back in the 90's.
I have to laugh at all of "experience mongers". I don't buy the motto that "experience" makes you right or better! Don't we hear that every year? Experience is shallow nowadays - you learn how to lie, cheat, and steal your way to the top. It is not difficult to barely show up to work , barely vote half of the time, and then deny any culpability for something that you actually did or said. Again, what does experience have to do with anything? I just want someone else besides the Bush's and Clinton's runing the White House for a change.
Once again I see the Clinton's are normal with their comments and once again I see the media is listening to a Clinton whine, tears and spill of untruths. Bill and Hillary ; please grow up.
The people of this country want change, we do not want the STATUS QUO, we are tired of inside washintgon politics, we are tired of those who will not protect the dignity of this country, we dont want someone who calls our generals liars, we want someone who will support our troops, we want someone who wont tear up when she doesnt get her way, and we really want someone who has a vision for the future of this country, not someone who thinks she has experience because she was the presidents wife.
Why is it that the Clinton's can not run a professional campaign, maybe they can throw in with Romney.
Obama and the rest of the "boy's club" have spent the past few months ganging up and attacking Hillary in their ads and on the public debates.
Hillary is a strong candidate and proved last night that she has what it takes to win above all odds. The media wants Obama to win so much that after his win in Iowa all you saw was his face in the news, with no equal time for Hillary, only comments about how she was losing ground in New Hampshire. Well, Hillary stood strong and showed them all, the stuff that she is made of. "Way to go girl!"
I normally would not even consider a female for President, but in this case,
I feel that Hillary is the best person for the job of President of the United States. She is as strong if not stronger than any man, and she has a woman's brain. Wow, what a combination.
As first lady she visited many countries and made her mark on them so she is the best equipped to deal with foreign policy of those running for the Democratic nomination.
Hillary has my vote, and I hope the vote of the majority of the women in this country.
Clinton and Bush have divided this nation. Their policies and politics have driven the country into two halves. Neither of these halves can solve all the problems. The partisanship created by these two families has ruined the nation.
We need a change. Fresh blood. Fresh ideas. Obama graduated first in his Harvard law school. I'll put his intelligence and judgement up against Hillary any day
OBAMA 08! The revolution has begun!
funny how or ironic.... as soon as a woman runs for president, so does a black man. face it, she is more qualified, with actual plans on every issue. unlike he who only wants change but has never stated how to bring that about, other than taking Hillary's plans and passing them off as his own. She is the best candidate for the job and does not have to bring Oprah along to get people out to see her. before oprah spoke of obama, no one knew who he was. Also when he came to iowa, people there even said i can't wait to see oprah, and i came to see oprah. what does that say? Madonna and Angelina Jolie support Hillary but you don't see them you see Her. Hillary may have Bill, but I assure you that he does not tell her what to do, but probably she tells him. We need her as our next president, and can't afford not to have her.
NOBAMA! I'm an Independent who always votes Democratic but I would NEVER vote for Obama, master of political weaselocity and the cliche hope speech. So for the first time in my life, I'm checking out Republicans just in case. In the meantime, I'm working hard for a Hillary victory.
I would love to know when someone is going to talk about the people of the USA. I am so sick of hearing about overseas crap I could spit! What about us? Quit spending OUR money elswhere in other countrys that coat their leaders pockets and keep it at home! We have REAL problems! No jobs, housing market, no social security, homless men,women and children, crime (a war at home if you will with our own terrorists) illegal imm's – why even call them illegal if you are going to open the door for them? Loss of jobs, high intrest and tax and home& property tax tax, tax, taxes for ever...... scams, credit fraud that WE have to pay for.....and thats not even the half of it! When are these people going to pay attention to the USA???? The people really have no voice anymore, we are sheep and congress are fat bloated power sick hearders. ECH!!! No wonnder so many people are moving out of the country!!!
Obama is a nice enough man, but no way near experienced, knowledgeable, or prepared enough to battle this mess the next President will have to deal with. We need someone who is for the people and we finally have a chance with HRC. Don't believe the hype.
The message of hope that Barak Obama brings to us is expressed well in Marianne Williamson's book, "The Healing of America." On page 241, it is written, "The magic people haven't been invited to attend the party in America, for fear that they might dance. They haven't been invited to speak at the party, for fear that they might sing. They haven't been invited to run the party, for fear that they might change it. They would have, and now theyre going to."
TALK ABOUT 'FLIP FLOP' ! HILLARY DIDN'T WIN BY ANY LANDSLIDE IN NH. SO NOW WHIS LIKEABLE, VULNERABLE, HUMAN AND MORE ELECTABLE BECAUSE SHE BECAME TEARY EYED AND THE WOMEN OF NH FELT SORRY FOR HER? WHEN THE MEDIA SAID SHE TALKS ABOUT 'ME' AND 'WHEN I'M PRES' AS COMPARED TO OBAMAS 'WE WILL WORK TOGETHER' SHE CAME OUT WITH 'WE' AND WHAT 'WE' WILL DO. WHEN THE MEDIA NOTED THAT SHE WASN'T PERSONABLE, DIDN'T ANSWER VOTER QUESTIONS, DIDN'T LINGER AFTER SPEECHES, SHE STARTED ANSWERING QUESTIONS, TRIED TO SMILE AND APPEAR FRIENDLY AND LINGERED. WHEN HER STERN DEMEANOR WAS MENTIONED AGAIN , SHE CRIED AND BILL DEFENDED HER. SHE SHOULD BE ASHAMED! SHE WONT BE ABLE TO KEEP THIS STANCE, SHE WILL REVERT BACK TO THE STUBBORN, UNFRIENDLY, NEGATIVE, ABOVE US ALL , ATTACK WHEN QUESTIONED POLITICIAN. ;SHE WOULDN'T BE AT THIS POINT IN HER LIFE WITHOUT HER HUSBAND. DO WE WANT ANOTHER BUSH FOR OUR PRESIDENT? DO WE WANT ANOTHER NEGATIVE, STUBBORN UNAPPROACHABLE, VINDICTIVE UNCOMPROMISING, OLD SCHOOL POLITICIAN? OR DO WE WANT A PERSON WHO IS OPEN TO CHANGE, POSITIVE, DOESN'T OWE THE ESTABLISHMENT, HAS A GENEROUS OPEN HEART AND CARES ABOUT ALL PEOPLES. HIS MIND SET, INTELLIGENCE AND OPEN HEART WILL GUIDE HIM TO LEAD, COMPROMISE AND BRING OUR NATION TOGETHER.
as for the media, it's a fact that over 40% of the citizens in this country despise the Clintons.
If Hillary gets the nomination, the voter turnout against her will be unbelievable! So if Cnn's coverage is negative on Billary, it's only because 2/5ths of the country wants to see negative press on those snakes!
I'm just tired of you Obama haters. On one hand people claim he does not have the experience to become president because he has only served about a couple of years as a Senator. My question to you people is this: Is the senate, the only place to get the experience to become a president? Obama has done a lot for this country even before serving in the Senate. He just didn't graduate from College yesterday. Because you are not used to seeing him so much on the news till now does not mean he lacks experience. I love the Clintons but besides her serving in the US Senate, does serving the white house as a First lady counts as experience too? or are we just using her husband's work to reflect her experience? All I'm saying is America needs a fresh start, and a uniter, and that's Obama. I would like to see Hilary as Vice. This country is not a kingdom. We don't want a Bush, a Clinton, then a Bush and Clinton again scenario. Bill Clinton has done a lot for this country, but it"s time to move on people.
Oh yeah.. and how can you not fund the military???? you putz you sent them there!!!!!!!! Are you just going to say sorry kids, no more money?? the whole idea is so stupid
NH win is not by a huge margin people!!! America wants Obama. The common American wants Obama as president.
Trust me Clinton will not go all the way. And I respect her.
Well, it sounds like Obama is whinning just like he acusses Hillary of doing. Poor baby. He needs to just shut-up about the start of the Iraq war. Good decision or bad, it was a decision based on what at the time was good intelligence and what her constituents wanted. Give it a break.
Senator Obama, its not the end of the world. Go and do your work and earn votes or whatever you want to earn, don't complain. Bill Clinton is right: You have to be scrutinized more! why are you scared of this?
Even if only at 2% difference, Hillary Clinton had a significant victory last night.
1. She proved that media was biased!!! and is trying to influence the public.
2. She proved to all of us, that there are still Americans out there who believe in her message that a good life is possible in America if you do the hard work.
I was started to think that ALL Americans are some mall-based concert-oriented people who are falling for sensational. Some might be (as so many posts show), but NOT ALL. There are still people in America one can count on for taking things seriously. This is an incredibly positive message, so after media and bloggers treating her like dirt, Hillary and the New Hampshire women (Thanks God you women were there) sent us a good message.
Back to work...
to b. jones tulsa,ok., if there wer no gender issues, then we would have hada woman president a long time ago. how many women CEOs do you know???
I don't know any. I am talking about the real high power positions. you do not see that many women in extreme high places. these are exciting times for us women and I am so proud to be one. and I am supporting Hillary all the way. yes, these are the times when men and women are both going for the top positions, and women should be given the change and the opportunity to get them, just liek men do. i don't think men are quite there yet to accept women in extreme power positions. maybe if Hillary wins we women can establish the equality that we always wanted. Once we did that, then we don't care so much anout the fight to the top. It is just to get there now that it counts. the women pioneers in the top positions will always be remebered. yes, these are exciting times and I am proud to be a woman supporting another one into the fight to equality. You go Hillary, I am with you all the way, and I will fight all the way for total women equality and recognition for hard work. Women out there, please do me a favor and unite and vote for Hillary. these are exciting times for us to prove that yes we can do it and maybe better than men.
Hillary is an excelent candidate, one smart woman. anyways, politics are dirty and to be part of it you have to get dirty. and noth candidates for Hillary and Obama do get dirty. However, the media is behind Obama and they crucify Hillary, which is not fair. i think if they crucify one candidate, they should crucify the other. in the last week, the media has been nothing but cruel to Hillary, and for what?? please if you want to prove equality between the genders, then do the same for Obama, crucify him in the media! now that is gender equality!
Boo! Hoo! Hillary showed emotions! Bravo! Did you all forget who helped Bill deliver his speaches when he was President. (Steven Spielberg). Another Clinton well scripted. Where was the emotion when Bill said "I did not have sex with that woman", and disgraced the highest office in the land. Not to mention his marriage.
I don't buy it! I'm a white 64 year old female, and not impressed, and did not forget the lies, disgrace, cheating, and minuplations of the 8 Clinton years!
No self respecting woman would vote for Ms. Clinton. She did herself in when she opted to stay in an emotionally abusive relationship for the prospect of future celebrity, thereby validating her approval of amorality. Now she folds under the pressure of campaigning, only to be "rescued" by her preening and verbally intimidating mate....an indicator of her (their) future performance(s)... Insulting. I think we've enjoyed about as much of this political couple as we can stand!
I personally feel insulted as a woman to see Hillary almost cry like a baby on TV .
I value and respect her as a strong woman and did not expect to see such a breakdown on national TV. I am asking Hillary advisors to do a better job than that.
She alos said the country will go backwards if she does not get the votes ,not sure what that means.
Hillary behaviour is a sign of weakness and I hope this does not continue going forward by having Bill speaking for her does not help her.
I am not surprised at the lack of respect for truth displayed by Bill Clinton. "He" will say anything to return to the oval office. God save our democracy from the twenty-eight year and still trying to count dynasty. Keep fighting for democracy.
Again...from an 'outsider's' perspective, it seems that a good number of the 'pro Obama' comments would be better described as 'anti Hillary' or 'anti Bill and his Oval Office adventures', rather than 'pro' anything.
If anyone's wondering why a Canadian would even take the time to pay attention to American presidential primaries (alright , our politics aren't as rip-roaring as yours are...), in case you haven't noticed – 'your' decisions about which characteristics/experiences/vision should be considered when selecting the 'most' competent, strong, compassionate and 'informed' leader affect the rest of us, whatever our addresses might be. This is no slight against America or its electorate, it's an inevitable outcome of being the lone superpower in the international mindset. Fair enough. However, your unique positon (in terms of world 'history') demands that you think 'clearly' and with great consideration about the future when you vote.
Bearing that in mind, is it really 'important' to determine whether infedelities committed by one's spouse at any point in time should be considered in determining who the 'best' leader of a nation would be??
Or, who plays the 'dirtiest' type of politics? Don't ALL politicians and/or their advisors (remember Karl Rove people) 'think dirty' when it comes to winning a national election? Do you think Senator Obama's advisors are fallen angels just here to get him elected in a pure and holy fashion...and then trod off to whence they came?
And, by the way, Lou Dobbs' comment about the NH results providing a 'kick in the teeth' to the 'professional' pundits is well noted. Many comments seem to suggest that 'many' Americans are finally beginning to accept that many of the so-called professional pundits are operating along one of the fundamental rules of human/political interaction – "where you stand (who you support) is usually related to where you sit". Democrat or Republican, African-American or non African-American, male or female, evangelical or non-evangelical – they all came out in the 'Politcal Show Biz' polls and punditories before NH.
Hats off to Lou Dobbs!
Emotion didn't make me a Hillary believer. Her experience, knowledge, preparedness to lead and her promise to help every one of the American people did! She is the only chance we have to bring back America's respect around the world, get us out of this unwarranted war, bring back American jobs, support the environment, and give health care to the middle class, not just the homeless and unemployed.
Hi,
I have a suggestion for Mr.Obama.
How about putting on act
He should go before the TV and while replying to allegation of Billy boy, he could shed a few tears and claim Billy is targetting him because he is an african american and having got the attention of the the sensible and the so far indifferent voters, and manage to get some support from the fans of the daytime soaps who seem to have come out for Hilary having watched her performance.
wHAT LAUGH..SHE HAS SO MUCH TO OFFER ?
Sorry but I won't be voting for anyone who got sworn in on the Koran rather than the Holy Bible.
Obama is the future for America give him a fair chance.
Hillary simply does not have much experience either. She's been a lawyer, the first lady, and a Senator for 5 years. That doesn't amount to much experience when you running for president no matter how Slick Willy tries to spin it. Hill is the consummate politician who would say and do anything–anything, including fake tears, to get elected. Go Obama.
Hey Joe,
Get your facts straight. The two knot heads with the Iron My Shirt signs were sent by a morning drive time show in Boston. The woman who asked Hillary the question, according to TPM, voted for Obama.
Barack says he is all about change. What does that mean? He is riding the coat tails of Oprah, hoping that she pulls him through to a victory. Americans will not bullied into having a talk show host be the one to tell us who to vote for. He wants to be the first african american and that is terrific but that is not a good reason for me or anyone else to vote for you. This our country...and we need somebody with some experience, know how and intelligence. Unfortunately Mr. Obama your time is not now, however perhaps in 8 tears you will be back again.
Ralph, call me a "Moron" if you want, but those fun times for Bill are pretty much what is wrong with this county in my opinion.
( Ralph's Statement: "The DNA was just fun times for Bill, certainly not an atrocity. If Hillary doesn't care, why should you. The only thing Bill did wrong was to lie under oath.")
The President of the United States lying under oath is a pretty big atrocity to me, and when you are President, breaking your marriage vows bu committing adultery and lying under oath become big moral and ethical dilemmas! I'm sorry you don't feel that way. I hope you aren't married and thinking that adultery is "just fun times".
Clinton you should have a shame on your selve, You discopaigned Barak out of anger. It doesn't seem very clear what your internal motivation is. Crying is not a solutions to solving all the probles may be it worked for you this time but if elected president of the future, you just showed how weak you will be in handling very intense situations when there is a crisis. you didn't have to cry just show the people that you can.
shock, shock but once again i no it is america. lou bobbs, wolf and copper where very happy last night and that was all they wanted and they got it with their dubious critisim, am a republican and do not watch cnn any way but i still believe we can.
Only when the country pull together as one body, this is when we can move forward. Obama has this vision, we need this newness not the old way. If this doesn't happen this country will fall like all mighty countries do. It is time for unity and i think he would be the best one for this. Change must happen for the goodness of all mankind
Karen,
I have not heard Obama use the race card as much as Hillary uses the gender card. "I'm your girl!" (gag!). And then the other night she acted like just being a woman running for president is change enough. Well Barrack didn't say it, but the same logic could be used to say having a black president would be change as well.
Hillary stinks. Blow your noses people so you can smell the REAL Hillary, whatever that is.
The N.H. election results smell like fish if you consider the pre-election polls.
"Sorry but I won't be voting for anyone who got sworn in on the Koran rather than the Holy Bible."
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How can this incredible ignorance stay alive? Get your head out of the sand. Do some research. In you refusal to look for truth, you have confused Barack with Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison. Wake up and stop spreading such ignorant statements.
What experience? HRC has held public office for fewer years the Obama. Her job before that was to be the President's wife. Clearly she wasn't very good at that because he had to outsource some of her responsibilities.
Actually she's been there for 7 years. ahhh... 5..7... not a huge difference there... Obamas been there for 2. ahh 2.. 0 not a big difference...
"He hasn't any experience in foreign policy. Give me a break," – Rep Ohio Sen. George Voinovich when asked if Sen. Barack Obama has the foreign policy chops to be the next president. Voinovich serves with Clinton and Obama on the Foreign Relations Committee.
I'm still waiting for a Hillary supporter or Hillary herself to tell me what 35 years of experience she has. It's fair game to ask Obama to give specifics on what he mean by change. Equally Hillary should be telling the American people what her 35 years of experience consits of, if you're going to attack Obama for talking out the side of his neck Hillary is doing the same not once had she gave a resume for all this experience she suppose to have, Obama been a sen for 2 years Hillary 3. Would a Clinton supporter please define her experiences.
Other then Bill having sex with other women
Let me say again the only thing note worthy (positive) Bill did when he was in office was bring down the deficit and stimulate jobs and financial growth...sounds good huh... IT WAS A PLAN THAT G.W BUSH Sr. pioneered during the end of his term and the great pretender I mean great contender implemented.
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The only time Barrack lied was when he said Hillary was likable enough.
Hillary can't even run a state – how does she intend on running our Nation?
Is she going to have Bill fight her battles if somehow she was unfortunately elected President?
Is she going to cry and get emotional when she has the Russians or Iranians in her face?
I truly appreciate those of you who provided real facts and numbers on Hillary's time as a senator. These are the real facts we should require our candidates to be debating – not slogans and open-ended promises that lack substance.
irritated American wrote January 9, 2008 3:24 pm ET
Sorry but I won't be voting for anyone who got sworn in on the Koran rather than the Holy Bible
You may think the above is funny ... and for all I know it was a joke...but many people think this way...
Twelve years of George the elder. Eight years of Bill. Eight years of George the younger. Eight potential years of Hillary. Waiting in the wings Jeb and/or Laura. This is Democracy? Hey, we need a break.
Isn't it ironic that former President Bill Clinton woulld chose the words "fairy tale" in describing what he feels is Sen. Obama's "Iraq" record and the alleged treatment of it by the press. The two biggest "fairy tales" I remember are "There are WMD in Iraq" by the current administration and "I did not have sex with that woman" by the previous one. Hmm. Funny how it escapes me who the author of the latter "fairy tale" was. I also don't know if Sen. Clinton's "teary moment was genuine or not, but the timing of it right before a make or break primary was impeccable!
Can someone say "sore loser"?
The Clintons = lies and half-baked truths...
Get ready for a whole lot more of the same...I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Obama can survive the Clinton hate machine, he will be well suited to handle the Republican attack machine.
Anybody who supports the Clintons has been duped. They are the snake oil saleteam of the 21st century.
anderson copper, lou dobbs, wolf , I saw the smiles on ur faces last night with that dubious criticisims but i still believe we can
All of us think one more times EXPERINCE is most important run this country and this experince NO BODY can buy it from a grocery store or from CHINA,
I fail to see where all this "experience" Hillary keeps talking about came from. The only thing I can say about Obama is he is not experienced in "cut-troat politics".
If people want change, they are not going to get it with Hilary.
Go Obama!
Tony,
All of us think one more times SPELLING and GRAMMAR is most important run this country.
Bill clinton to call obama a kid and a drug user doesn't cut it in sc and we pissed for such foolish words and u would pay for it in sc
Mr Obama in one of his addresses to his supporters mentioned history being made but the fact is this coutntry needs a leader not some one more interested in making history.
Hilary is in a fairy tale. Thirty five years of experience; give me a break. She was not elected to office until this last decade. She was the governors wife and the presidents wife. Everyone is so quick to jump on her experience well as first lady she tried to get a health care bill passed and it failed. She never tried again and in her campaigns for ny senator she took thousands from pharmacutical and hmo lobbies. Give me a break Hilary. How can you say Obama is tied up with lobbiest and has no experience when you are in the same position. If Americans wanted experience then Richardson is the best candidate. If you want change its either Obama or Edwards. HIlary represents the status quo with a deadlock between Republicans and Democrats. The only way she can get anything done is if the Senate, Congress and Whitehouse are democrat.
See. This isn't about Hillary. I have nothing against her. It is about Bill. IT IS ALWAYS about Bill. And this is what you'll get by electing Hillary. 4 years of looking at HIS puss every night. He is truely a snake and the devil incarnate.
Track record of experience in the largest foreign policy disasters in the U.S. in the last 30 years:
1. Secretary of Defense McNamara and others in the DOD had seen Chamberlain appease Hitler regarding eastern Cechoslyvakia. Years later, they believed in/conceived the domino theory that provided the rationale for war in Vietnam.
2. Cheney, Rumsfled, and co. had perhaps more foreign policy experience than anyone in the nation entering 2000. Going on 8 years later, the US is involved in another bloody and unpopular war.
Presidents without foreign policy experience included Reagan and Bill Clinton. Please stop citing "experience" as a reason to make your choice. Do a little reasearch instead of spouting HRC's catch phrase.
Karen, let's please try to have an intelligent discussion here if you truly care about the fate of this country. We're at a critical stage in our national and world history, and spewing venom without proper reflection does not do anyone good, including HRC.
If you are truly concerned about the specifics of change that Senator Obama is proposing, please review what he has already said and outlined on the subject before bringing up the issue for discussion. If you want to attack after reading the lengthy, detailed 64-page on that subject, please be my guest, otherwise, you are engaging in the same type of politics of Dick and George that brought us into the mess that we are facing right now.
Please review:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf
Peter, I noticed that, too. He is very disrespectful to both President Clinton and to his opponent.
I suspect that's his drug addict thinking at work.
Nobody said we shouldn't try even in a tough fight. I just think Barack is doing the right thing even if he doesn't win...
Barack Obama has not yet been vetted. When his "record" or lack thereof is put before the American public, it will become crystal clear that his lack of credentials actually does matter.
As for his position on the war. HE WAS NOT IN THE SENATE AND HE DID NOT ARTICULATE HIS OPPOSITION UNTIL THE WAR BECAME AN UNPOPULAR 'WAR OF CHOICE'.
Wouldn't it be nice if, after an NFL game, we could go back and make a different wager, once the outcome is clear?
Share the wisdom of your beginning game strategy once the game is nearing conclusion and the outcome is clear. Well, that seems to be Barack's "wisdom credentials" and mantra. He was against the war after he saw it as a no win proposition.
Someone wrote earlier that selecting Barack Obama would be like putting a student pilot qualified in a Piper Cub in the 1st seat of an F-18, on the deck of a carrier at sea...Once the cable is released, full power applied, those first 2 thrilling seconds are followed by a disasterous end.
This country can not afford to be wrong this election cycle.
HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON HAS THE ABILITY, WISDOM EXPERIENCE AND STAMINA TO BE A GREAT PRESIDENT.
HILLARY 2008!
Obama was not beating the anti-war drums as people assumed he had been. Bill called him on it. Now Barack cries foul? The more he is examined close up, Obama seems not quite up to the task of being either specific or clear (especially in their last debate). I think the Clintons are simply going after his inexperience... in politics. And in that respect, the Clintons are (love em or hate em) masters.
anderson copper, lou dobbs and wolf should start campaigning for the clinton family and should stop the bias and fake presenting they do on cnn. this is not clinton's cnn but cnn
Obama has the audacity to whine about Bill Clinton "twisting" his words after he has taken the intellectual property and words of John Edwards on more than occasion? FOFLOL
If you haven't already, read The Boston Globe and L.A. Times articles where Obama is called out for just a couple of his transgressions and you'll see the humor in this too! LOL
You know I am so proud of our party. I am proud on NH. The pied piper will run out of tunes and very soon. Let me say I respect Hillary Clinton. Last night she thanked all ther candidates the ones that dropped out and the ones that continue. I watched her on a debate sometime back when they second half they sat. BIden was asked a question and answered w/out getting up. Clinton was second – she stood up and answered. This woman knows how to show respect. Last night is only the beginning.
Appearently Hilary chocking and fake tears worked for her in NH.
Well, I suppose we can expect to see Opra soon because Obama's getting picked on.
Obama's a whinner and an empty book.
Wait till the race gets really nasty, he'll have to have Opra hold his hand and beat up the big ol bullies for him.
Quit complaining Barak, it only makes you look like a girl.
Joelene,
And Hillary would be like putting a student pilot qualified in a Piper Cub that just so happens to the wife of a pilot in the seat of an F-18. What difference does that make?
Stamina? She broke down on the eve of the second primary. Oh yeah, I forgot. That was just scripted because she's phony.
I think romantic idealism is all fine and dandy but if Obama were to win the dem.primaries, the republican dirty tricks machine will drag him through the mud and slander him till the cows come home. The John Kerry swiftboating tactic will be chicken-feed when compared to how they will obliterate Obama and distort everything he ever said and did (or not did).
It is very easy to mis-represent his name (a middle name like Hussein is not a winner when the mud slinging begins), the fact that his father and step father were muslims will all be dragged through the slime and be distorted and painted as national security issues....the fact that he and his immediate family are practicing Christians will be forgotten in all that flying mud. His youthful drug use will be used to paint him as a horrendous influence on the youth and turn away many well intentioned family people.
These are all realities. The Clintons have gone through such fiery trials several times over and have survived and will outmaneuver any such slimy attempts in the future too.
To effect any change in Washington, where you take on powerhouses and live to fight another day, cannot be captured in a slogan, however catchy/romantic it may appear at first blush.
I think the democrats need a fighter and a tested team to take on the republican machine. Edwards is a passionate fighter but he does not have the political apparatus behind him.
Republicans will tout the fact that Hillary is polarizing etc., which in fact is true but bottomline, her political machinery has got the staying power and grit to take them on. That has got them running scared of a Hillary candidacy winning the primaries, however much they try to spin it otherwise.
I like Obama and agree completely with several of his positions (including the rationale for the disastrous Iraq war where the eye was taken off the ball in Afghanistan) but as a candidate who can take on and win against a McCain in a Gen.election, and then function as a driving force for change against entrenched and well funded special interests, I think he will not be very effective (regardless of the emotions that his terrific speeches evoke).
After reading most of these comments ... it's obvious to me most of you don't realize to politicians (and the news media) elections are a game ... they have rules, strategies, winners and losers.
And the biggest strategy is for politicians to figure out how to "game" the voters ... they ALL do it. In their eyes voters are their pawns ... that's why so many people get turned-off by politics ... No one likes to be played.
The Clintons out played Obama in NH ... They won. The news media blew-it ... but what are they pushing on us? Some inane 2 sentence comment Obama made about another inane Bill Clinton strategic comment. Man do I hate getting played by the new media!
For those of you that want POLICY SPECIFICS ... you're idealistically naive. Presidents are not Kings ... policy is a function of compromise, the DETAILS of which are worked out between the participants.
I believe being President is about character. Of course there are other qualities required ... ... but the one consistent must have quality is CHARACTER.
Only you can determine what kind of character these candidates’ posses.
Anyway, that's my take on all this.
Obama has been twisting what Hilary said for almost a year. He has engaged personal attacks and character assassinations. so stop crying now! Be an adult and follow the golden Rule: do what you want others do to you. Stop character assassinations and misinterpret others' words.
For all Hillary supporters, welcome back to the world of "political inquiries by the Reps, Scandals of the past and so." I am particularly surprised at those who have failed to follow political events over the past decade," either beacuse they were too young or never really cared. I guess it might be helpful for such people to look up a few archives before using "empty words" here as Hillary would like to say.
Ibeth....must be nice to decide you can see a person's "character" when you have no information or record to observe.
BTW.....what do YOU think about him allowing his grandmother to live in despicable conditions in Kenya.
Character-building?
It does take a tough heart to do that.
I'VE ALWAYS HAD THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR HILLARY CLINTON AS WELL AS SUPPORTING PRES. CLINTON WHILE HE WAS IN OFFICE. MY COUSIN WORKED AS AN ADVISER AT THE PENTEGON UNDER CLINTON. I WAS ALSO GLAD WHEN SHE ANNOUCED SHE WAS RUNNING, FOR PRESIDENCY. I KNOW SHE KEEPS SAYING SHE HAS 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. EXPEREINCE IS GOOD, AND AT 56 YEARS OLD AND LOOKING AT HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON I THINK OF THEM AS OLD WASHINGTON WHICH THEY'RE NOT. MCCAIN IS OLD WASHINGTON, EXPERIENCED BUT OLD. HAVING OLD WAYS IS NOT WHERE WE NEED TO GO. I STILL AM UNDECIDED WHO I WILL CAST MY VOTE FOR. MAINLY BECAUSE THEY LISTEN AT THE TIME THEY WANT YOUR VOTE, WHEN THEY GET YOUR, THE GO TO THEIR OWN AGENDA.
I think all the people blathering about how Hillary can "unite" people, and can "sway the republicans" to her side are really not looking at the whole picture here. The Republicans HATE Hillary, and to an extent, Bill. They spent the entire 8 years of Bill's presidency doing everything they could to stymie the administration, block progress, appoint prosecutors, open investigations, belittle, beleaguer, and otherwise halt anything progressive. Hillary was a large focus of all the above, just as much as Bill. They're wetting thier pants at the prospect of getting to do so again with Hillary. What, in the WORLD, makes you think that someone as universally disliked across the aisle could ever, in a million years, get anything done with all the obstacles that will be put in her way, all the genuine loathing that they feel for her, etc. I'm sure she'd be a fine President, in a better world – But we don't live in a better world, and they're not suddenly going to give up hating her if she wins. And yes, Republicans like to stymie all Democrats, and visa versa, but there's a particularly hungry loathing for the Clintons. NOTHING will get done, just more insults, more partisanship, more abuse, more finger pointing, more blocking things just because... I cringe at the thought. At least Obama has quite a bit of respect across the aisle. Of all the folks running, when looked at realistically, he's the only one I think COULD reach out, and with that quiet, but firm voice, get the oppostion to "go along"... It scares me to think of another 4 or 8 years with all the partisan, angry, hatred of "gotta get the Clintons" no matter what happens to the rest of the country in the meantime.
Dem here. Who likes the surge idea? Hillary would have 0 chance of beating McCain in a general election. She'll get little/no independent backing and will lose some dems. Plus, if Iowa is any indication, she'll rip every state she loses in the the dem primaries. BTW, Iowa does pick corn, but NH certainly doesn't pick presidents....Paul Tsongas ring a bell?
I keep hearing about change and dreams and wonderful plans and getting along. I see no strategy or definition of what the change will be from Obama. He talks in generalizations. When I listen to Hillary speak, she talks about specifically what she accomplished in fiscal policies, healthcare, improving the economy in New York and other accomplishments.
What are Barack's specific accomplishments and goals for change? What changes????
There is not substance to what he says only rhetoric and dreams and fantasies.
What is not being said here, also, is that all the candidates, Republican and Democrat, co-opted Barack Obama's message of change without specific proposals as to how to effect them. Barack Obama who brought the issue to the forefront of course did have a detailed outline for changes that he wished to effect:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf
So what! Obama 'took liberties' with 'hope' and 'King' yet has not substance to go with his catch phrases. Where is his plan to bring this 'change'. A black man in office is great change, but insufficient if it is the ONLY change. You can't just shake some words from your 'Daily Inspiration' Calendar at people and win, you're gonna have to actually tell people what your plan is to reduce taxes, not just that you would. You'll have to tell people what your plan is to address foreign relations, not just that you'll talk to the right people for their advise. C'mon, you can ride this minority sympathy wave, but you are as fake Romney, and it's embarrassing to the U.S.
I don't think Obama is bright and 'articulate', if he were he would have already articulated what he is going to do in all of this ambiguous 'change' speak he is using. How dumb he must consider the people of our Great Nation to think he can pop a few catch phrases and win from popularity juxtoposed to saying something new, fresh and inspirational.
He's quoted JFK & MLK, but has failed to do what they did, provoke America into a specific and directional change. He is an idiot, hook please...get him off stage and let's get on with electing a president, not the flavour of the week!
The people have spoken in NH, the pundits, the big media and the rigged pollsters that can easy manipulate people opinion all of then LOST! The incredible biased media in favor of Obama, the outrageous biased against Clinton and the total write off of Edwards. Their manipulative tactics lost. the people won. Now the same pundits, media should focus in the issues instead and we'll have a campaign; but they never learn the lesson.
And what of the Obama wave? That wave crested and has turned. His candidate will have more scrutiny and he should be held to the same standards than any other politician running for the Presidency.
Good night for democracy in the US. Shame on CNN's Blitzer among others, MSNBC starting with Chris Mathews, ah...and Tapper from ABC. They should learn to be real unbiased journalist!
We shouldnt let CNN get away with not covering the truth...Letting them pick and choose what they ignore so that their choice of canidate can get into office.....This went on in 2004, 2000 as well....We had a president put into power that didnt win an election and CNN didnt do anything about it....They let 90,000 people in florida become disinfranchised, roadblocks set up...CNN didnt do anything about it...If you dont cover stories that affect the american people what exactly is your place on our airwaves? This isnt your airwaves there ours for all of us...Futhermore we pay for cable what right do you have to illegally not to mention morally keep imporant information from us to push your own best intrests...You should be allowed to call yourself a news station...You and your other network friends need to be titles appropriatley which would be an opinon show or maybe a gossip colum....Need to get as many concerned people as possible together and file a lawsuit, see what kind of grounds the system will take when enough people are ready to admit that illegal monopolies exist...CNN is one of them and their spreading rumors and disinformation....Should get them taken off the air
I for one will not vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. I'd rather go with an Independent or (I can't believe I am saying this) a Republican before I voted for her.
Not sure if anyone caught this but Hillary's little passion speech and crocodile tears were nearly the same words from John Edwards during the debate about how he feels, well minus the fake tears, he spoke with strentgh and ferver. I don't even like the guy. So Hillary steals his thunder and turns it into a sympathy vote...gosh, I have so much opportunity for this country, I dont want to see it go back. You mean like back to the Bill Clinton era...what is she talking about. Her proposals would bring us back to the Carter era. People need to wake up, take a course in economics, understand how things work. Mr. Obama has laid out his plans in detail. You can tell he understands that socilizaing medicine and rapid withdraw of our troops by not funding them are bad for our econmoy and our future. I represent the emerging independant minds of this country that think we can have a return to what our founding fathers set out to create, but that it will require change. I wonder what Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington, Frankiln and others would think of Bill Clinton and HRC? I would rather see a condidate that feels passion about change rather than passion about power. If you think for a moment that Hillary cars about you....The Forgotten Man....(read the book) then I feel sorry for you. Taking us back the the era of phony, criminal, and reckless behavior in the highest office in the land....no thanks
Mr. Obama I don't think skirting truth is anything we are suprised to see from a politician.
For example-look at the history of the primary campaign's–if you compare agenda's you will note that suddenly–after the polls came out showing John Edwards was the best choice to beat a GOP candidate--FIRST YOU, THEN HUCKABEE, THEN HILLARY PRONOUNCED " I AM THE CHANGE CANDIDATE" !!
Gimme a break
It's amazing how someone can display teary eyes on moment and turn to attack Obama almost immediately in the same breath.
Hillary and Bill are the worst! I have never had a warm spot for Hillary but I use to love Bill and now he's looking more and more like the rest of them. I'm not giving up on Obama. They went out of their way to tell people to stop hoping that this country could be better. That they know what's best for us.. LIKE NATO! They had their chance and their eight years. And no amount of fake tears is going to change me mind.
Whenever a Black man runs for President, you will always have Whites saying "just because he wants to be the first Black President doesn't mean I should vote for him. Even if he down plays his Blackness. Obama isn't Black in the true sense anyway, which is why Blacks don't really support him. His folks are White and African, and he was raised amongst Whites. Africans don't share the same history of slavery in their culture, which is why Obama is so confused right now. He does not understand why he lost last night. Black folks understand. This African is getting his first look at the way things work. And as a 44 year old Black man, I just think it is funny. I am cracking up as I watch these elections.
Hmmm...insufficient evidence, hidden records, mysterious suicides and who nows what else. This is what America wants more of in the White House!?!
Life was better and easy during CLINTON,s administration.Hope positive all of us and have life.
Wayne, do you mean the same speech Edwards made that Hillary scoffed at with a wave of her hand and said "can we get a reality break here?"
I use to love Bill Clinton, and you know what if it weren't for his tactics in the last few weeks I'd probably still be considering Hillary Clinton as my top choice. Not anymore, personally I'm tired of these old school political tactics, times have changed and you're not gonna get my vote by going on national television to slander or twist facts about another candidate. I want to know why you should be president!!!!!!!!!! And let's face it America, either you're happy with the state of our country or you're not. If you're not then it's time for some changes to happen.
DEFINITION OF INSANITY = electing the same types of experienced politicians (Hillary, Romney, etc) and expecting different results!!!!
For all of the COWARDS with comments like, sore loser, whiner, etc... It's very apparent that you have a tough time leading your own lives, so electing the leader of the next free world is out of reach. Since when did standing up and defending your stance on the issues or your character become whining?? READING THESE COMMENTS I AM NOW CONVINCED THAT EDUCATION SHOULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR THE NEXT PRESIDENT.
Regardless of all of the statements a democratic process will not take place. The Clinton's have too many ties with the industry and paid their way back into the White House. The DNC will force the selection of Hillary and then Bill Clinton is back in office. They say a nation gets the leaders they deserve.
I see no detailed plans from Obama. I believe Hillary meant that she does not like our country to go backwards as it has in the past 7 years under this current administration.
She wants to shake things up and get the country back to normal..
I like the idea of Obama as VP and I'll think he could get the same amount of stuff done (nothing) with almost no excuses after the first year.
Obama is not as great as he is hyped to be. Bill Clinton was 100% right, Obama loves to talk about his Iraq vote, but his voting record is no different than Hillary's. The press is not asking him the tough questions. They are more busy in manufacturing a story of a Black president. He has no substance to his words, he is all talk and no action. He will not unite the country, if somehow he wins and becomes president, his incompetency will be shown. He is the black Bush. Hopefully the press which wake up and will take him up on the issues, I have yet to hear anything other than the phrase "Change", change what, when and how have yet to be answered by Obama. He is being protected by the media who are too scared to ask him the real questions and question his qualifications. He makes a better story, shows their priorites.
I'm glad I'm not a Democrat.
I cried in sorrow and anger the day the republicans impeached Bill Clinton.
I now see why republicans hated the Clintons so much. The Clintons will do and say anything to get elected. Bill Clinton in my view is now an old pathetic womanizer. The Clinton's need to be careful with their attacks on Obama...right now their strategy looks like it will tear the Dems apart. Al Gore needs to endorse Obama tomorrow! And when will the media release the images they have of Bill with his new girlfriend?
Frances,
Backwards as to when Bill screwed it up (i.e. NAFTA)?
And by "back to normal" do you mean back to corrupt politicians who do only what the highest lobbyist bidder wants and to hell with the American people?
To me "experience" just means more time they had to become corrupt and make connections with lobbyists. Cliton keeps saying the president should hit the ground running on day one... yeah I'[m sure that will mean doling out favors for those who put money in their pockets
Hillary reminds me of the Ann Richards line about George Bush SR. She was born on third base (first lady) and thinks she hit a triple. If her last name were not Clinton she would be nowhere. The fact is that Bill and Hillary Clinton did massive damage to the Democratic Party despite significant accomplishments during HIS administration. This whole thing about being ready from day 1 is just stupid. From Day 1, Hillary Clinton will have at least 48% and probably closer to 60% of the country against her. Not just Republicans but hard core dems like me who are just sick enough of the Clintons and their BS to not vote for her in the general. From Day 1 it will be no holds barred for the lobbyists. From Day 1 we will have to listen to her screechy, phony voice AND Bill Clinton's narcissistic crap all over the airwaves. Bill is mad because Obama was out-Kennedying him. He can't carry Obama's jock strap when it comes to oratory, which, guess what Hillary supporters, is a large part of being president. You know that whole thing about being able to inspire people instead of pissing them off all of the time. I don't need any Clinton giving me a lecture on "false hope". She and Bill are perhaps the two most disengenuous people on the planet. If the Democrats are dumb enough to nominate the one person who will either lose the general or divide the country she wins, then so long dems and hello bloomberg and the independents.
Okay guys, if this was a football game each of these candidates would be making great plays. It's politics. It can be brutal and hard hitting. All these candidates have appealing points and characteristics. But you don't go into the superbowl with your rookie 2nd string quarterback.
Karl, CNN is anti-Clinton as is the rest of the media. John King looked as if he was going to be sick when they finally had no choice but to call the primary as a Clinton win. Wolf Blitzer was as white as a ghost and Roland Martin looked as if he had been punched in the gut. They tried to stack the deck in Obamas favor but the folks in New Hampshire voted with their brains and not their bleeding hearts.
Rambo,
Actually the media isn't glorifying Obama.. They're leaving him for dead again when he's actually leading in delegates won, and wasn't even supposed to win NH to begin with (despite the polls saying he was a head a day or two before). The media was the ones who were buying Clinton's boo-hoo photo-op performance hook line and sinker
and you're only hearing the word "change" because every other candidate of both parties started using it because after Obama
He better get use to people twisting his word because CNN will not always be there with their lips implanted on his rear end.
Irritated american, Obama is not muslim for one. READ before you make comments!!!!
Hillary Clinton has worked for the underdog her whole adult life. Her record of accomplishments speaks for itself. Hillary will be a great president because she has a heart. Are we ready for an intelligent hard working compassionate woman to be president of this great country? You might not be but I am! Hillary will be a great president and I can't wait until she takes office. Go Hillary Go!! God Bless you and keep you safe. The USA might not realize it yet but you are needed in the White House.
Hillary Clinton hasn't made significant change in her "35 years" of "experience."
I didn't see Obama teary eyed... Hillary Clinton is such a joke...
"those fun times for Bill are pretty much what is wrong with this county in my opinion.....The President of the United States lying under oath is a pretty big atrocity to me, and when you are President, breaking your marriage vows bu committing adultery and lying under oath become big moral and ethical dilemmas! I'm sorry you don't feel that way. I hope you aren't married and thinking that adultery is "just fun times".
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Apparently Republicans do not feel that adultery is important enough to remove someone from office, as shown by current Republican adulterers Senators David Vitter and Larry Craig. The 4-year adulterer Henry Hyde continued to get re-elected by Republicans and Bush gave him the highest award possible for a U.S. citizen.
Apparently Republicans do not feel that being CONVICTED of two counts of perjury, one count of obstruction of justice, and one count of making false statements to federal agents is important enough to warrant even ONE MINUTE in prison. Libby was GUILTY of twice as many crimes as Clinton was charged with.
Probable explanation: HYPOCRISY.
Obama is all about bs baffling brains. All show - no substance
If you haven't seen or heard any details about Obama's "Plans For Change" it's because you've already decided "you won't vote for him". Again, intelligent politics, hence the reason for the electoral college.
So many Americans do not do any such research. Are you deciding what issues are important to you, then researching each candidates stance on those issues? This is the Technology Age people, go to any candidates website and there is a clear outline of exactly what they mention briefly in interviews and during debates. Common people don't watch a speech or watch a couple of interviews and commercials and with that detailed information make a INTELLIGENT decision.
I've decided "my intelligent well thoughout and researched vote goes to"
President = Obama, change is needed, he said it first!
Vice President = John Edwards, his passion, experience and committment to taking Washington away from the lobbyist and big business...
COME ON AMERICA!! Obama/Edwards 2008
May the Best Person Win to lead our Great Country and we are lucky and blessed to live here! God Bless The United States of America! Let all of us keep to the facts- stop condeming . We're adults and privledged to be able to vote.Open your eyes we're the best Country in the world. Give thanks and be kind.
I believe Bill Clinton was a good president despite his immoral issues. However, I did not appreciate his speech against Obama which was contrary to what Obama has said was his action concerning the war and when he did not have a chance to respond. That, together with Hiliary's tears and words as if she is the only one that can save America and anyone else would have us on the wrong tack, is saying she is the only one capable to be the president. I don't agree with their unfair tactics. Each candidate that is put in that office for the first time is experiencing something new and unknown. The world and situations are constantly changing. Also, two people in the same family being president is like having one in office twice as long as any other president can be whether one or two terms. The tears were more than her caring about the state of our government and country. I think they were more concerning personal gains or obligations. She also couldn't live with being second to Obama, a Black man.
Irritated american is typical of Clinton supporters. Like the candidate they lie to get what they want.
No matter what people say Opera did help Obama in Iowa, and the young people should be careful what they "vote" for. Look what happened when so many people voted for Geo. W. Bush they were so sure he'd be a good President.
We do need a strong canidate who will win the nomination , and Hillary has ALL the qualifications, includeing being a real woman.
It's time people for the woman to be in charge.
Wrong Kimdy, I'm a moderate republican, if it’s Hillary vs. any of the republican candidates, I vote Hillary… if it’s Obama or any one of the others, I’m voting red.
Well said GiGiovanna, Hillary for 2008.
If you need an example of Hilary's divisiveness, just look at the blogs these past few days. There is no way she is going to unite the Democrats let alone attracting Independents. I hope McCain gets the nod and I'll be voting Republican for the first time in my life. There is still something to be said about dignity, honesty and class.
I feel for Obama because all through the days before the election, he was the only dignified person. He refrained from geting into the mudpit when Hilary attcked him in the debate; he was respectful of Bill Clinton in the face of Bill's spiteful tirade; he responded honestly to the trash being mailed out by the Clinton campaign; and he was sympathetic when he was asked about Hilary's tearing up.
I'm curious do we live in a democracy or dictatorship, don't president have cabinet members and advisors to aid them in decision.
I haven't heard either candidate explain how they are going to fund universal health care, stimulate economic growth or a plan to take us from being 29 globally in math and science to leading the world like we once did, or their plan to tackle green house gaseous ....nothing. Arguing over change vs. experience. We are all being bamboozled, Hillary I have 35 years of experience pause… waiting for her to tell me how she's going to use that to stimulate the economy Obama it time for change pause… and how does that improve our educational state in this country.
Hillary has never stimulated an economy so how does 35 years of experience win her argument. America has been brinking on a recession since she became a senator and that's includes with a dem control congress and senate.
Obama change I understand your message and where you are going, and since you do not use the word I but we I will give you a break and say you do not have a clear cut plan but are willing to work with the Rep and come up with one.
I can live with that.
“Obama said in 2004 that there was no difference between him and George Bush on the war...” Clinton said on the eve of the New Hampshire Primary. He claimed that the proof was once on Barak Obama’s website, but has since been deleted.
Of course Bill Clinton was right to bring it up in such a timely manner, for the voting would begin in only a few hours–barely enough time for CNN to get the truth out. In fact it was on one of Obama’s many visits to the White House that he first said to George Bush: “You know George, your policy on Iraq and mine are in every way identical: we both support the war in Iraq, and everything else is pure politics.”
It was, as Bill Clinton pointed out, Obama’s fairy tale that wooed us reporters to keep this vital bit of information out of the public eye. We’ve grown so jaded, you see, that we just didn’t have the heart to rain on Obama’s peace parade. So what if we let his lack of substance–the two books, the twenty years in public service, and the litany of policy papers that he’s written–slip by? After all, that kind of thing isn’t our real job these days: our real job is to expose the dirt on Hillary Clinton. Well, old Bill just wouldn’t it slide this time.
Hillary–and you’ve got this coming–I know the media speaks with me when we say that we’re sorry we made you cry.
My Dear Mr. Obama. You have critisized others either personally or through your surrogates. Elections are brutta figura. The problem with your loss is because Mrs Clinton found her voice; she said what she stands for including the "ecomony, stupid" the midle class, trade, schools and yes health insurance. Your message is just like Jack Kennedy's. Mesmorizing as a thought for classroom purposes but not practical or with any meat. Because of this nothing happened during his presidency except to plunge America to a war with Vietnam. President Johnson, being practical with a lot of experience did so much more for the country and his legislative heritage cannot be denied. I just feel that you are selling a dream. The electorate is waking up and they will see it for what it is. There is no beef, no reality to your message.
Hey Nick A
It is you who should Get your facts straight !!!
I checked mine she (Marianne Pernold Young) told CBS she was going thinking of voting for Obama but now shes voting for Clinton after the answer to her question…She never mentioned she worked for Carter Admin as a Photographer or Clinton election campaign in 92 did she ? You couldnt have plained it better could you ? Liked Obama but is now for Clinton!
Google Marianne Pernold Young and read the cbs story.
Then
She told huffington post she voted for Clinton.
She herself admits that she worked for Bill Clinton in 92
She was a plant !!!!
Yes the guys worked for radio station WBCN The Toucher and Rich Show both guys myspace pages said the are for Hillary Clinton until a story by journalist, Michael McAuliff of the NY Daily News who, followed the pranksters from the speech area and found they had "Hillary for President" stickers, causing accusations they were pro-Hillary plants.
I talked to there friends on myspace who told me yes they are supporting Hillary Clinton! Have bumper sticker on there cars and are wearing Clinton08 pins in a couple of there photo pages.. After the piece by McAuliff one changed his myspace page to pretend he is/was a Republician.. His top friends say different!
The Clintons have been at this game for years what better then to have someone that if its all brought out that you can dissmiss with there just radio station pranksters! Please.
It really makes me sick.
Didnt you find it strange that Hillary asked for the lights to be turned up to show the guys sign ? So every female or older man would say poor Hillary lets vote for her !
"Iron my shirt" to get them all angry and vote for her funny how it wasnt dirty or anything I wonder if they polled women to see what made them more angry Iron my shirt or make my dinner ?
I liked Hillary and Obama till this stunt now im for Obama or Edwards
Change for the better !
Senator Obama,
I am so proud of you and honored that a man like you has a chance of becoming the next President of this country. You are the ONLY one of the candidates that truly represents change and they know it. Any of the other candidates represents the same thing we've had, just a different name (in Hillary's case the same).
Keep up the good work, I am praying for you and I believe God's word will prevail Romans 12:7-9. You do all of these beautifully. You are a born leader and you have as much , if not more experience than all the rest. Being a Black man in this country is an experience on it's on.
Families in this country have suffered grossly because of the Adoption and Safe Families Act that Bill Clinton passed. That law was abused to the extent of it even being used in cases were no adoption occurred. Parents rights were terminated at an over-whelming amount, many of these parents were going through the court system to try to get their children back, most of them were not abusers and when the children were abused by the people that the state gave them to, the state and the courts looked the other way. Since Bush has been in the White House, none of these issues have been addressed. Hillary speaks of it taking a Village to raise a child, her idea of a Village for Children in this country is the Government. The Government makes for a poor parent. We don't have Villages in America, the next time she chooses to use an African Proverb, maybe she should try to understand it first. God Bless You Senator Obama
Bill Clinton's antics have been disguting. He swiftboated Barack.
I refuse to hand over the keys to this country to someone lacking sufficient experience. The presidency is not a job in training. Go Hillary!!! This is a historical time-first woman president!!
I want a president with the experience and intelligence and the true love of our great country. Not a man who has little to no experience and puts his faith in Oprah to get him elected. He doesn't love America...he would put his hand over his heart during our national anthem. Instead he loves himself and is using his fifteen minutes of fame to run for president!
you were looking for it- now you got it, It will sure come a time when you will ask yourself: why did I have to do it? why did I have to start up with the only Democratic President in the past 30 years? why did I think that I am smarter then him? but that will be way TOO LATE! before you know it this race will be over and you will have enough time to think this over and remember I warned you!
Mary,
"We do need a strong canidate who will win the nomination , and Hillary has ALL the qualifications, includeing being a real woman.
It's time people for the woman to be in charge."
I don't know, I'd prefer a blow-up woman to Hillary actually. And why does it have to be just any woman just because "it's time?" that's BS and you know it.
I think Hillary stands no chance if she wins the nomination. The Republicans have been ready for her all along. They laugh at her and throw up nuggets like "Hillarycare". But Obama scares them, which is why they all were talking about him during the last debate, and some *coughROMNEYcough* and Ron Paul are actually trying to compare themselves to him because they see his appeal. and don't forget how many "borrowed" the change buzzword. Not to mention so many people genuinely hate Hillary and/or the Clintons.
Hilary Billary the media does glorify Obama and slams Hilary when ever they can. Case in point. Todays headline. "Blow to Clinton Campaign: Obama Gets Big Union Endorsements in Nevada". What they don't say is that the last person that ever expected to get thoes union endorsemnts was Hillary Clinton. Thoes endorsements were John Edwards to lose. But the media will spin anything around to work against Hillary.
Experience (which Obama lacks) requires time, effort, and results, whereas most rational people are capable of 'change' where required (including Hillary). Therefore, Hillary is my clear choice .... besides, Barrack is beginning to sound like one of those wind-up dolls with every second work out of his mouth being "CHANGE". He needs to "CHANGE" his approach by putting a little more meat on the bone he's throwing you.
Also, Obama/Edwards 2008 would be as close to Castro/Chavez as you could get. Keep dreaming....
To those who say Obama is all talk and no substance or proof of the change he will bring, here are some numbers:
-Make Government Spending More Accountable and Efficient: Obama will ensure that federal contracts over $25,000 are competitively bid.
-Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
-Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.
-Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs: Obama will create a federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) that will require 25 percent of American electricity be derived from renewable sources by 2025, which has the potential to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs on its own.
Besides universal healthcare (which she has no reasonable plan for), HRC really doesn't have a strong stance on any issues. Obama has well reasoned and practical plans for every issue facing this country and if people do the research they'll find out for themselves.
OBAMA '08
It's a Presidential debate you when some you lose some, the idea is to win more than the other guy, or woman, politics has an ugly face, maybe next time Obama will pump out some junk quotes just before the deadline.
Obama fell victim to the BILLARY double team ...Since he isnt running for president, Bill Clinton can basically say whatever he wants and nobody is fact checking. The BILLARY clinton camp knows this so they use Bill to call the possiblity of Obama being president a "fairytale" and the media doesnt jump on it simply because Bill isnt running, (though its hard to tell) . But have no fear, Obama will not be stopped because Bush Lite Billary can shed some tears in a coffee shop. To south Carolina. Yes We CAN..
now if he is crying about people twisting his words around now, what will he be like if he makes it to the general election. he should have known that people would twist his words around. its not like this is his first election. word of advice suck it in and move on to the next state.
>He swiftboated Barack.
When did fact checking a candidate vote record and media statements become swiftboating ?
Why dont you keep Barack and Hilary to the same level of scrutinize ?
Hey David Anderson (4:33pm), so much for your crying....it looks like you were crying in anticipation of your intellectual demise, as you have bought into the repub-bot slime machine. This, merely because Hillary is in competition with your favored candidate, and Bill is supporting her? Get real. Barak and all the rest are also doing what it takes to get elected. No matter which dem wins, we will finally have a government again promoting the democratic platform.....but you want to slime-away anyway?
Careful, or you will fall off the wagon altogether, and you will be mourning like "lightharry" (4:26pm) and "Chris, Seattle" (4:23pm) : they got the leader they deserved for the last 7 years. Do you want promote that kind of mistake again? These guys like so many other wing-nuts do not even see the problems, and wish them away in a partisan defense of abject failure. For these people the following applies: no brain, no pain.
"I skate where the puck is going to be, not where it has been."
"An invincible determination can accomplish almost anything and in this
lies the great distinction between great men and little men."
You will never be happier than you expect. To change your happiness,
change your expectation."
"Every memorable act in the history of the world is a triumph of
enthusiasm. Nothing great was ever achieved without it because it gives
any challenge or any occupation, no matter how frightening or difficult,
a new meaning. Without enthusiasm you are doomed to a life of mediocrity
but with it you can accomplish miracles.
Good Leaders make people feel that they're at the very heart of things,
not at the periphery. Everyone feels that he or she makes a difference
to the success of the organization. When that happens people feel centered
and that gives their work meaning
Go Obama keep it up.
Yea of small minds have been warned
Candace, get over yourself. If you are looking to CNN blogsite for serious discussion you are deluded. There was nothing venomous in what I wrote. He is a politician. His campaign is doing him a disservice. I do not like his commercial campaign. His record is going to get looked at. and yes, Damien should site his sources if he wants a serious discussion of the handover to China.
I notice there is no response when voting records are referred to. Of course, I don't use campaign websites for information. Why would I review the votes a candidate wants me to see. I go to the government site and look at all of a persons votes. I have Congress.org in my favorites.
02/05 Obama voted with the Republicans for pro-corp anti-consumer Clas Action Lawsuit Legislation.
03/05 Obama voted for pro-banking anti-middle class legislation when he voted with the Republicans against a 30% cap on credit charges.
06/05 Voted Yes to nominate Thomas B. Griffith. Griffith disagrees with the tests if title IX and Griffith feels the courts got it wrong and is noted for using the words "morally wrong' in reference to these tests.
09/05 Obama voted against laws protecting laws that provide safeguards from unfair trade. Do I really need to continue?
Want a serious discussion about a serious discussion. I didn't notice your focus on the social security issue. Try ssa.gov. Want to discuss medicare? I have medicare.gov it's a good site for history and cahi.org is a good source for an understanding of cost.
People rely on Iraq info from the media. In my favorites... Brookings.edu. It doesn't just have mortality info, but has information on reconstruction etc. It's updated frequently.
I get information on immigration costs from Heritage Foundation but it is more of a right postion so take it for what it is. If you have other legitimate sites in your favorites that you would like to share, I am open to your resources
I look up every interview and article I can find on the candidates to get a feel for what their positions truly are. I don't need campaign websites.
What issue would you like to discuss?
Both Hillary and McCain should have experience. Was it why the win in NH. My question is when is time to say thank you for Hillary and McCain for being in Washington all here life. When will they allow the young generation to get the need experience in Washington. Am more interesting in both issuing the respective candidates advice. Washington is no home it is a place to render service to the nation.
HA HA HA THIS IS CRAZY!
CAN WE EAT NOW? YES WE CAN!
CAN WE GO NOW? YES WE CAN!
YES WE CAN WILL LEAD YOU IN THE WRONG DIRECTION..
KEEP GOING-MR. YES WE CAN
Must I remind the world that the collapse in the econmony (deficit) and the planning for the 911 attacks took place when the Clintons were in the White House? You have to be pretty special to drive the economy into the ground pre "War on Terrorism". No matter how you look at it, when Bush took over, he was left with the largest mess in US History. I don't see a problem with sending the empeached couple back to the oval office.
Obama is all about Africa!…..hasn't anyone been to HIS church's website? Haven't you gone to You Tube to listen from Fox News about what comments HIS church says!!!!!!! BLACK THIS, BLACK THAT….AFRICA THIS, AFRICA THAT!!!!!! C'mon Americans do you not know how to do research? Look at G.B. Everyone thought he was GREAT!!! How many people do you have to kill before we realize we MADE A HUGE MISTAKE electing him. After 9/11 and all of the soldiers killed in the Middle East, NO MORE! He CHANGED NOTHING but the POPULATION!!!!! How many people did Billary intentionally kill? What church do they go to? Who cares if she cried, Obama is a SMOKER!!! He is polluting our air. GLOBAL WARMING! I am moving to another country if he gets elected president, God help us. America will now be called AFRICA!!!! PLEASSSSEEEEE AMERICANS!!!! We will never be FREE! Stop complaining about Billary, and do your research on OBAMA!!!!! What do you have to lose, that you made a mistake? Don't do it when it is TOO LATE!!!!!! Don't vote at all if you don't want to educate yourself. Good luck America!
It's ALWAYS a conspiracy against the Clintons, isn't it? If someone disputes their claims, or challenges their integrity, they get hostile, biligerent and ultimately resort to name calling. I find their demeanor disgusting, confrontational and sooooooooooo tiring. ENOUGH OF THESE TWO %$&%$&^&s ALREADY. I am so sick of these two I could spit.
When Hillary and Billy are you going to release the White House papers? Or are they just going to show up on the coffee table a few years from now?
Mr. Obama,
First of all you've got to say something MEANINGFUL!
If you think the kitchen's gettin hot now, you better go home now, you ain't seen nothin yet Barak.
NEVADA IS CLINTON COUNTRY!
HILLARY NOW!
What will the terrorists will think when a woman is the leader of the most powerful country on the planet? *NEWSFLASH*: Terrorsits are from countries where women are viewed as weak-minded and vastly inferior to men. And she wants to go to Iran and North Korea and attempt to talk to these men about peace?? Its an inconcievable and extremely dangerous proposition.
Even if she was the right person to lead this country, that fact alone is enough reason not to vote for her.
OBAMA '08
Obama is just a kid who wants to be the king. As of now, he is just George Bush, with a much better command of English vocabulary and diction.
And he is not smart either. If he was, he would have parlayed his promise into a VP candidate after Hillary is nominated. That would have given the WhiteHouse for the Democrats for the next 16 years. Another scary prospect indeed:-)
I agree Harold Bishop. I CAN"T BELIEVE OBAMA WAS SWIFTBOATED BY THE CLINTONS, WHO ARE SUPPOSED FELLOW DEMOCRATS FOR CRIPES SAKES. The Clinton's are disgusting and it make's me sick to think that some of my so-called fellow Democrats are sticking up for the Clintons politics of personal destruction (remember this is primary/caucus season, not the general election).
I would vote for Democrats at the local and state levels, but the Clinton's can eat dirt. If my fellow Democrats believe it is important to nominate a divisive agent of status quo, they can reap what they sow with having a Republican president. What would be the difference?
What a baby! Took him long enough to cry to CNN he was being hammered by facts.
Ride the wave!! Ooops! It just Crashed!
The truth is coming out. Starting NH, Americans are beginning to understand that in politics, endogenous is more important than exogenous – that reality and fact are more important than rhetoric and body language or charisma without substance. Americans are beginning to understand that Hillary stands for what the President of the USA should be and not Obama with his empty promises. Obama's leadership leaves a lot more questions to be answered but foremost, how can he be an agent of change without experience? How can he change what he does not know? How can he change what he does not have? Experience in economy, healthcare and security are all in Hillary's bag and Hillary can change them for the good of all America. Obama has a bag of experience but it is empty. He has nothing to change.
My prayers and Best wishes to Hillary and I urge all Americans (black, white, oriental, hispanic) to support Clinton because they will never regret their votes. They did it in NH. NH understands that it is issues, not body language, which stands out in this campaign and Hillary is all about issues. Listen to her carefully instead of cheering at her and you will understand just like the people of NH did – the issues matter,
"Maturity begins when we're content to feel we're right about something,
without feeling the necessity to prove someone else is wrong."
"Some men see things as they are and say why. I dream of things that
never were and say why not."
"The game of life is the game of boomerangs. Our thoughts, deeds and
words return to us sooner or later, with astounding accuracy
When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself."
"Everyone who has ever taken a shower has had an idea. It's the person
who gets out of the shower, dries off, and does something about it that
makes a difference
I didn't want to come off bias and leave Hillary out
Doesn't all this sounds like Hillary, you go girl. .
Matt- ITAWU. CNN was a joke last night covering the election. They were the last to call it and kept saying wait wait wait we have to wait for this area and that area and and and. Funny when I looked online at my interactive map, those areas had 4-400 votes only! Obama was going to catch up with a 5k loss? Pfffft!
I am still crackin up at why people want to vote for Barack Obama
He is VERY intelligent, and personable. I like him too.
LIKING the guy and making him PRESIDENT of the most powerfull country on the planet are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I believe folks want obama for 2 reasons.
50% they somehow think a junior senator with vitrually no experience can somehow bring Republicans and Democrats together cause he says so. They think a 'fresh start' is going to give him magic powers to fight the Chinese, and a host of countries that HATE us. They think Obama can somehow magically stabilize the economy and bring GLORY to America when the truth is that the county is sliding into recession and has a LOT of problems.
They put blinders on when asked how a guy with no experience dealing on this kind of national stage and with the stakes this high is going to magically pull all this off.
the other 50% want Obama because they HATE Bill and Hillary Clinton or they are secretly Republicans whom want Clinton out so they can win the election.
Tell Bill to relax...have a cigar !!!
Laton I'm convince you're the one smoking.
Let see a black man whose parent were white and black whose father left when he was 10, never sees him again; child mothers dies and is raised by his white grand parent in Hawaii.
Take your unsubstantiated comments to another site you know what site I'm talking about.
Why is my first comment that was posted at 4:23 not posted?
Why did Fox News release exit poll data in the AM when the polls had NOT closed?
Could that have had an impact on the race, because it showed that Barack had 7 out of the 17 votes cast with 4 going for McCain.
Could it be that Murdock is really helping Hillary, because he thinks that the REps can beat her versus Barack.
Can Hillary pull out more tears and hide the real demeanor.
What tactics will the Clintons now pull?
Senator Obama.
What are you proposing to make our country energy independent? What is going to happen when our troops are pulled out of Iraq? Are we going to ask the help of Iran to run our economy? Oh! You will request a meeting with the High Ayatola and reason with him!!!!NICE!!!!!
Good luck to you Mr Obama. I hope you would not do that.
And another thing.....
Journalists, so called political experts are complete idiots! They need to keep their mouths shut and let the voters decide who will be elected. Go Clinton!
....please, go to the John Edwards website and email him...tell him to not become the "Ralph Nader" of 2008!
Tracy Michaels January 9, 2008 3:10 pm ET
Your thinking is noble but naive.
The low down Clintons ARE THE ONES WHO DRAW FIRST BLOOD UNPROVOKED!
Instead of seeking to convince Americans what the shameless and self-destructive Clintons will do for the country (not much), they attacked Obama's person and campaign for America, and why?
Last time we check, SELF-PRESERVATION & SELF-PROTECTION is an essential for ANY human being or group?
The overly ambitious and SELF-ABSORBED Clintons were unable to connect with Americans (and rightly so) in the furtherance of their PERSONAL Clintonian AMBITIONS!
Failing to TRICK AMERICANS, the Clintons sought to APPEAL TO THE LOWEST IN US.
Unfortunately, some Americans do not want CHANGE; through spite, the Clintons are willing to fuel divisiveness, STAGNATION and recession!
STATUS QUO MUST GO!
"No matter how you look at it, when Bush took over, he was left with the largest mess in US History."
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Clinton left a huge surplus for Bush who has increased our national debt by 50%. Do research.
Again, Every one is wrong but Mr. Obama. Stop crying and take it like you dish it out.
Everything about this election is about change!!! We have candidates who are not just white men. Having a woman and a black man running is historic. The change has already started. Anyway you look at it, there WILL be change in this country whoever is elected.
Just heard some Kenyans interviewed on CNN saying if Obama gets elected they might be able to get a visa easier. Where does Obama stand on imigration??
Can Someone please tell me HOW Obama will make a CHANGE?
He keeps saying change but I have not seen how he plans to back up that change...
Talking nice and looking good on TV does not make a President.
What does he stand for??
Who IS Barak Obama????
Even though i supported Bill Clinton when he was in office (most of the time), his words cannot be taken for certain any longer. He lied once to the entire nation and lost all credibility with the American people. Just because 8 years have passed since his "lie heard 'round the world" doesn't make him a changed man. Why people are buying into his false accusations i don't understand. This too shall pass....
OBAMA '08
Hello People,
Did you forget that Hilllary also voted for more funding for the Iraq War?
Obama, you keep up the good work and get your people to work hard on finding Hillary's record and everyone that is running against you. So that you are prepared to respond to the issues that they may bring up.
Also, know that I am praying for you everyday...because I am praying for America, and I think you are good for the American People and will do more to inspiring US (The American People) to fundamenal change.
Believe me when I say I have a direct connection with the Lord... he answers all my prayers. Be bless!
Maybe Oprah can hold your tissues while you whine about how rough it is to play politics with the experienced boys and girls.
It shouldn't have taken Pres Clinton to call Sen Obama on his questionable stance on Iraq. When Obama appeared on "Meet The Press" Tim Russert put 3 or 4 quotes on the screen that Mr. Obama had to eplain "what he meant" because at face value they all sounded like he wasn't so against the war as strongly as he likes to tout now. Don't worry , we'll all get to see it if he wins the nomination, because the Repubs definitely have that interview cued up and ready to roll.
Senator Clinton has STILL not condemned that statement. Nor has she condemned President Clinton's slander inferring Obama and his supporters are in "fairyland." We've heard nothing from her. As a result, she implicitly approves both statements (she knows what her husband said, it's been all over the airwaves).
Is this kind of politics what we're going to get the rest of this campaign? This was a former President engaging in the dirtiest kind of slime politics.
If voters implicitly endorse, rather than penalize, this type of politics, we'll continue to get more of it. Isn't anyone sick of this already
Go Hillary you did a wonderful job. Sorry Obama you loose.
Sorry, but as a Black 60 years retiree, I will never vote again for a Democratic candidate just because. Hillary, you have lost this Black vote. Also, do not think that other Black will vote for you because you are a woman and a Democratic. Your true colors are shinning true. Look for Blacks to start campaigning aganist you and to leave the Party. We need a third party in this Country.
American wants a new president who has nothing to do with the white house, and they see Hillary Clinton is the same person who has special interest for the lobbyist and that is the reason, we are not going to vote for her.
Richard,
On paper, there was cash, but it was where the cash was going as the Clintons were on their way out that set the scene for a Broke Bush. Now, you can sit there and say that Bush himself increased National Debt by 50%, or you can praise the fact that you dont have an airplan wing in your livingroom. That 50% could have been 0% if you looked up at the towers and said "Oh that sucks, oh well, life goes on, hope they dont do it again tomorrow!"
CHANGE, CHANGE, CHANGE....Mr. Obama is there anything else you know how to say?
In reading the comments on this blog, it is evident that we need CHANGE. There are bitter and viscious attacks against Barack. It is absolutely amazing, that everyone wants Barack to have ALL the PLANS, but asks NOTHING of Hillary or John Edwards.
To have dissenting opinons is fine, that what makes us a Democracy, but the bitterness with which Barack is attacked is that which is based NOT on his rhetoric, plans but perhaps to something else in the air.
Hillary is as phony as they come, I voted for Bill and I once respected him, but no more. Hillary's true colors will come again.
Hillary's campaign now says that they are going to lay it on the line when Barack speaks, but that is not going is negative it will be up o the people to decide. I find that good, then that means that she should be ready for the screening...what actually is her record as a senator and what is her experience.
Will she pretend to cry, will Bill twist words again, what will she change NOW? If you don't see it now, then you should the Reps will always help get her elected so we can lose the WH again.
Sympathies to the gullible women of New Hampshire–how could anyone believe that Hilary's "watery eyes" was real emotion? Then there was the debate where "her feelings were hurt". The Clintons are sinking to new lows–anything to win.
I really LIKED the Clintons , but after that BiG FaT lie by Bill, now i see why conservatives hate them. They're power mongering people. I'm going to volunteer for Obama's campaign, get everyone I know involved, donate and I promise this man with great character will be our future President!
Obama 08!
Face it.
The Obama camp has no SUBSTANCE to draw on. Re read all the posts.
There whole camp is WE HATE THE CLINTONS.
Its never about what Obama can ACTUALLY DO thru his RECORD.
Why would you stick a guy in office who has never made a case he can do the job for crying out loud.
Is your HATRED for the Clintons WORTH sticking a 'forrest gump' in office when we need strong leadership? We just had a forrest gump for 7 years. He CRUSHED the whole country due to his inability to lead the nation.
All this HYPE about Obama will not last. The country is going into recession, and as more negative headlines come up, voters are going to SWEAT BULLETS about the state of the nation and rally behind someone who can DO THE JOB .
If you HATE Bill and Hillary Clinton so much then please:
Please for the love of God, vote for Edwards or McCain or Guiliani or even the idiot Romney. THEY HAVE THE EXPERIENCE TO LEAD US at least.
Hillary claims to have experience. Experience doing what? Getting us into a war and then backing it. She hasn't done squat since she has been a Senator. Even McCain fought Bush on the war. He never liked it. Yes he followed his party and went along with it, but you could tell he did not like it. Remember the interview when he said he did not understand why voting on the resolution was necessary. Hillary, that is a different story, she was cool with the killing innocent Iraq citizen, when she thought there might be WMD, but didn't really have proof. Once we were in there and didn't find any WMD, she wanted to keep the killing going. She doesn't care about people. She is a fake.
When she ran for the NY Senate she told the people of NY that she wanted to be a Senator and fight for the people of NY in that role. She denied having eyes on the highest office in the nation. You folks that don't follow politics close don't understand this. Yes, she just wanted to become a senator so that she could run for the office and claim that she was a Senator. When we needed her to fight the hard fight against the tyrant Bush. She did nothing. Pelosi didn't do anything either. None of those powerful gals did squat. Think about that. None of those Present Dems did Squat! Let Bush just run things like a King! Great! just Great! Now we have Americans dead and mamed. Citizens of Iraq dead by the millions. Oh Hillary is doing a Great job! She should elect her as President! Think people.
I am not saying Obama is great. He is better than the rest in the field, because the field is not that good. We do need someone who can talk rather than drop bombs. We need to send this Clinton crew packing. I am beginning to feel bad that I voted for her hubby twice, even though the nation was in better shape than it is now, when he was in office. But that may just be because Bush is crazy.
Wolf Blitzer displayed (on the Situation Room of 09/01/2008) more about Mr. Obama's response to Mr. Clinton's questions about his constancy regarding the Iraq war. He is reported to have stated in 2004, that even though he stated in 2002, before the vote in Congress, that he did not support the war with Iraq, he did not know how he would have voted because he did not have access to the intelligence report.
Is a "judgment" about an important and critical issue as the war on Iraq, that was made at any time by a candidate for the presidency who did not have access to the intelligence report, really a case of "good judgment" based on careful analysis of facts that are pertinent, relevant and important to the making of the decision?
This might be an appropriate question for your file.
Justin....would you bend over if a terrorist asked you too? You probably believe we should negotiate with them. Your thinking is quite scary. Oh by the way the terrorist union of the world endorsed Obama a few weeks ago!
People keep saying that Obama has no experience, that he was just a junior senator, and only for two years. Obama may have only been a junior senator for 2 years in the US Senate, but he's been in the Illinois State Senate since 1996. He left the Illinois State Senate to become the junior senator for Illinois for the US Senate. Also remember that HRC is also 'just' a junior senator, and I'm sorry, but being married to the president doesn't really count as experience on my part.
(I also have to say, that as a native New Yorker, I'm personally annoyed that she decided to come into our state, get elected as one of our senators, just to use us as a stepping stone for her own ambitions of becoming president. I knew this was happening as soon as she ran for the senate seat. The only thing that surprised me is that she actually waited for the 2008 elections instead of the 2004 elections. My guess is that she wanted to avoid looking 'inexperienced', which is exactly the the charge she repeatedly hurls at Obama. Clever, calculating snake she is.)
I am from Montreal and watched CNN everyday and followed the day to day outcome of the election campaign. I think the media and the pundits are very hard on her. They should be ashamed of themselves with Hillary's victory in New Hampshire. With her experience and strong foundation and ability on economy and other important issues, I think she is the right person to run the White House. I will be very proud if she win the election and become the first WOMAN PRESIDENT of the United States. LONG LIVE, HILLARY!!!!!
I was Obama I would be interested in a Hillary Obama ticket! I would only choose a partner with morals!
LJ, What type of change do you believe Barack is going to bring? Have you read about his home church's beliefs. How that even black conservative Eric Rush has stated that they choose things African over things American. James Cone a much admired figure at Trinity COC has declared that, 'The time has come for white America to be silent and listen to black people." What about in the Audacity of hope where Obama speaks of hispatriotic resentment and frustration when he feels as if he needs a translator to speak to a mexican mechanic. Is this the type of change you are looking for because you are certainly trying taking us down the road that will send us all down the River..........
What is Hillary's experience? She has been a (junior) senator from New York two years longer than Obama, as far as I can tell. Obama has both state and federal experience. My husband has been a CPA for twenty some years, and he calls me his career coach, does that mean I have auditing experience?
Here's the ticket:
HRC President/Obama Vice President – 2 terms then.....
Obama, President/Any one of the Clintons, Vice President – 2 terms
Sweep the war-mongers out of DC for 16 years. It's going to take that much time to make a dent in the mess Bush is leaving behind.
Psst....Obama.
Here's a tip.
Clintons always lie.
Yes, what a whiner Barack Obama is for trying to set the record straight. BIll Clinton twists Obama's words in a craven attempt to get his wife elected (you know, so she can help the people), and now Obama is just supposed to shut-up and take it. Okay...
Bill and Hillary will lie, cheat and steal to get back to a position of power.
BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
I hope that Obama will not waste his time defending comments made by the Clinton campaign. It's not worth the time or energy to get off-track, and frankly the public doesn't want to hear all the bickering and negativity. Clinton's know how to get nasty–they are polished politicans and play the game well. How could anyone believe Hillary's tears were genuine. They are nothing less than "players."
The NH returns are being treated as more fabulous than the Iowa returns. Iowa has more electoral votes than NH, and the percentage split between Obama and Clinton was far greater than the 2% she had over him in NH. And what's this BS that the "granite state" puts out...the Iowans pick corn but they pick presidents? Get real...in the 2000 caucuses and primaries, Iowa picked Bush and Gore. NH picked McCain and Bush. Enough said, right?
Keep on keepin' on, Barack! Rise above the Clinton CRAP! We're all behind you. I'm an independent, and this is the first time in my life I've been enthused about a candidate...to the point where I've done volunteer work and am donating $$!
I heard or read that the people in N H were educated people, God help us all if this is a sample of educated people. I don't feel this is a bad mark for education, I feel it is a lack of common sence. Who in their right mind could vote for a Clinton they cheat, they lie, they kill off people who get in their way or try to expose their crimes. If these are educated people voting for a Clinton God please help us we are all lost.
Thank you Karen! People, do your research. Please do not rely on campaign sites for your information or glossed up rally speechs. Our country deserves more than the blind leading the blind! See Karen's post for some great sources.
Wow, the ignorance of people posting on this board is astounding. Way too many people spend way too much time reading from the Hillary website, and far too few people actually researching it and knowing what they are talk about. The Clintons went very negative and very slimy against Obama in those last 5 days before NH.
False attacks on abotion
False attacks on raising taxes
False accusations of flip flopping
Implying that if you don't vote for the opponent, terrorists may attack again.
Who does that sound like? A Republican. I'm ashamed of Hillary and especially Bill Clinton as a former president. This has destroyed my opinion of Bill. The Clintons know they are being disingenuous, they know they are distorting the truth, and they assume that the majority of voters won't know any better. That is a classic Republican ploy, and it is disgusting to see in the Democratic party.
Crying is not gonna help you Hillary. it mean you are weak.
it's also mean you doesn't have the strengh to be President.
How about you go read the comments Barack originally made, and then listen to what Clinton said, and you will see it is a FACT that Bill twisted Baracks words. Just like Hillary did with this whole abortion mailing that was sent out accusing Barack of being FOR abortion. Underhanded and shady, I hope Barack comes out swinging and levels the Clintons.
Also need we forget that the Clinton campaign accused Barack of being a crack dealer and a muslim? Also they are already exploring setting up a 527 style 'swift boat' attack ad.
And I will say, that people who buy this "experience" argument from Hillary do a disservice to human capacity for critical thought. Give me a break. How about you spend less time repeating Hillary's campaign arguments and more time actually LOOKING at your own candidate's purported experience. Her resume is fluff, she has no more executive experience than Obama, she has less legislative experience than Obama, and her time in the Senate has been strikingly unproductive (unless you call naming a bunch of buildings after people productive). Obama has a lot more experience fighting for change than the Clintons want to let on, they just expect people to not compare the records. Obama has done plenty legislatively, he has taught constitutional law for ten years (which after our last president should be a prerequisite for setting foot in the Oval Office) and he can bring people together, while Hillary divides. Hillary supporters are the most stubbornly blind people I have ever heard, aside from maybe those last few Bush supporters. YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY RESEARCH THIS FOR YOURSELF, QUIT BEING LEMMINGS!!
Those of you who claim Barack has no experience have obviously not taken the time to look at his record of accomplishments. Hillary has been riding Bill's coattails her entire life, and when she was put in charge of spearheading health care reform, she squandered it. This is the "experience" we need? Hillary has taken the most money from corporate lobbyists that continue to dictate our political process. Obama has tons more legislative experience than Edwards or HIllary, and to top it all off, he did it without having being tainted by Washington lobbyists. Face it folks, you can't get anything achieved without building a broad coalition, any legislator worth his mettle knows this. If Edwards the "fighter" or the ever divisive Hildabeast is elected, expect years of partisan gridlock without the turnaround we so desperately need.
Can't support the establishment candidate. Not this time. Not after 28 years of Bush/Clinton/Bush. The next 4 years are going to be about fixing all of the damage inflicted on this country by 8 years of Bush. I just believe that Hillary and Company are too entrenched in the Wall Street/Corporate/Military Industrial complex that has been running this country for far too long.
The issue here is that people have said Obama lacks experience, but I can honestly say that he has just as much as experience as Mrs. Hillary Clinton. Being first lady does not count as experience; does Barbara Bush think she should be president next!!!! Why has Bill Clinton failed to show the American people the proper documentation during his term? Are the Clintons hiding something? People have not question Hillary about her experience as well. What has she done for 35 years.....be Bill Clinton's wife, which I must say that must be a challenge! As a voter I don't feel that she doesn’t even have full control over her own campaign. Will this happen if she is president; will Bill take over again???? At this moment I just don't feel she is the stronger candidate because I think the way you run your campaign is the way your run the country, and she has already had numerous problems with that! She is just taking the Clinton name for a ride because we all know if her name was Smith, no one would know her. Obama had to build his name from the ground up and he is a better person for it. I truly believe he is the only one that can really unite this country once again.
Obama 08'
Tom her 35years of experience and she voted wrong on the biggest vote of her life! She supported the war and all she says is "It's George Bush's war!" Well she helped him make the case with her vote! Obama oppose the war from the start, and put his political career on the line by expressing his opposition of it in public. Dick Cheney has the most experience in Washington and lead us into a fraud war so ALL THE EXPERIENCE IN THE WORLD DOESN'T MATTER UNLESS YOU HAVE THE RIGHT JUDGEMENT! HILLARY HAS TERRIBLE JUDGMENT BY FAILING TO ASK THE TOUGH QUESTION BEFORE CASTING HER VOTE FOR IRAQ!
OBAMA 08!
In response to Karen. Why is it you do not have Hilary's voting record and just Baarack's.
Why is it the majority of your information comes from two Republican funded Organizations?
If you are going to show Barack's record, then show Hillary's ?
If people want his programs/plans for change, then why do we NOT aks Hillary for the same?
Hillary only NOW wants to appear to be human, personable, finding her voice,etc., because she now knows that her sense of ENTITLMENT as a Clinton did not fly.
Barack's staff MUST be on quick response, and HE must repel the negative remarks and lies from the Clintons. HRC has ONLY held office for 7years.....what 35 years of experience.
Barack supporters MUST get the word out, donate, volunteer and help get the vote out in the next round of caucuses and primaries.
Bill Clinton is the only politician in American history who acts like a sore loser when he (Hillary) is ahead. This bloated satyr arrogates to himself the indignant sneers that some usurper should interrupt blood-line sucession. How dare Obama, especially since he is Black; didn't Bill Clintin fool African Americans to this day into thinking that he did anything for them? Bill has beached himself on the sands of hubris.
How can Obama say that he supports Bush's position on the war in Iraq, yet also opposes the war in Iraq? There is nothing wrong with supporting the troops who are already in Iraq, while still maintaing a postion of a slow military pull-back, and traing the Iraq's Police forces to manage their own country.
I voted for Mr. Clinton, and now I see what my Republican friends were talking about. Makes me sad! "the biggest fairytale" quote was quite offensive to me. What's the fairytale? That an intelligent US African American Senator is running for president! Is that not supposed to happen in America Mr. Clinton? He has no chance because what?! I thought that his dream is exactly what makes America great! What if Senator Obama wasn't running? There wouldn't be much for us to talk about . Just the same old same old.
I think Bill also took liberties with an intern too.
Haha now he's complaining. Stop whining, Obama. If you had won NH, you'd still have a hard time getting nominated because of the immense support Hillary has in all the other states. Now that you've lost NH and Hillary has showed how strong she is (winning after being behind by 11 pts in some polls is considered very strong), you have absolutely no chance of winning the nomination.
Obama is so naive. Only easily emotional people vote for him – look at his positions on various important issues.. and you'll find out.. that he has no positions! He doesn't know what he's talking about – he just makes these HUGE promises that are false and can never be implemented. Hillary knows what change is, and she definitely knows how to birng it about.
God, anyone but Hillary, she will tear the rest of our liberties away and kill our nation. As for her so called health plan that was success, I was the child left behind cause dad could'nt offord it cause it was too expensive.
What Bill Clinton said is that Barack's only claim of superiority is his opposition to the war (which, IMO is a pretty thin reason for running – nearly half of the people in the US opposed it at that time). On factual examination of the events, however, it was shown that Barack's opposition to the war is less than strident and he has misrepresented Hillary's initial vote and that he has voted exactly as Hillary did since then.
I agree with Bill's assessment.
Obama is a cry baby. Yesterday he was acting like a winner ready to take on WH. Walking with box of pizza in his hand, shaking little girls hand in a coffee shop. His reaction to Clintons remarks- "they are getting desperate.....blah blah....still confident he is wining...going on wining HOPE....then REALITY hits in...he lost....then he starts whining. .....NOW THAT IS WHAT OBAMA IS ..OBLIVIOUS AND HIS SUPPORTERS ARE EVEN MORE DILLUSIONAL.....hanging on with poetry of HOPE.....not thinking about the reality.
Great leaders need not just vision, they also need enough inner conviction to go after new possibilities they see but that others either aren't gifted enough to see or are too frightened to see or that others have thought was only wishful thinking either because it has never been done or because they have lost their ability to see through dificulties that they haven't themselves got the answer to. The latter is a typical affliction of the boss type. it's the : If I don't already know the answer, it's out of the question syndrome.
Great leaders know themselves well and have learnt to trust their own instincts and not just wait for the "possible" opportunity of experience handed down to them. Great leaders create new experiences.Great leaders listen, hear and reflect and know more than just what they have been told. Great leaders are adept at connecting the dots that others think are unrelated to conjure the big picture.
Great leaders also need to be able to communicate their vision such that it becomes not just their vision alone but the desire of those who have been shown this new possibilites. A great leader instinctively knows that it takes more than one man's multitude of experience (however great it is) to make a truly great nation and so will choose to unleash the talents of the multitude to make the seemingly impossible possible.
From the outside looking in, America is in a rut. Sorry. It has moved from being the place where people with lofty aspirations and complementary abilities beyond which their own home country will let them achieve used to aspire to go to, or wish their home country could become like, into a country resigned to handing over to emerging powers such as China, Russia etc.
An experienced manager will surely handle the "inevitable" handover very efficiently but it will take a different kind of leader to see a different destiny and make that the peoples destination.
It is a great potential leader that believes Amerians have the answers to America's current problems as opposed to any one man's experience.
Of Hillary & Barack, looking from the outside in, I see a natural boss versus a natural leader.
Wannabe bosses think they are owed the position because of what they have done and what they already know from experience. They will typically confuse supervisory role requirements with that of leadership.
what I hear from Hillary is: it is so sad that you guys are about to make a big mistake by choosing somene else because this country that I love so much will fall backwards without me as its President and by the way you guys do owe me the Presidency for all the work I've already done over the years. Just look at my record.... It's so unfair having dedicated all my adult life to serving America that you should even consider a mere newbee over me... sob... sob....sob)
Barack on the other hand appears to me to be is putting his trust in the American people and waking up the American ideal in them. He is engaging them, challenging them and encouraging them to see what he sees and it seems quite a sizeable number of people are responding to him. Are all these Americans stupid?
It remains to be seen whether he has managed to or will manage to get enough support but what is already clear is that change is already happening in this ongoing elections due to the vision and strategy employed by Barack against the old establishment.
1. He was able to see like others around him that there was a substantial number of Americans not involved in America's Democracy. But who believed in these Americans enough to put in enough effort to go out and bring them into the political fray as opposed to simply ignoring them as though they were a lost cause and as though whatever they had inside them that was good for America did not matter. Sometimes too much experience without the gift of vision accompanied by inner conviction (both of which you can't learn in a book or through experience) only gets you too close to the problem that you become unable to even see that it is a problem. To you it is just normal that this people are not participating and are not inclined towards contributing to helping make America more than it currently is.
But are these people not now coming out in great numbers to be counted? I would think that is change already happening.......and happening because they can now see a reason to care that was not there before. Who showed them? Barack.......who made the change? the people.
2. How many people thought Barack would be able to raise enough funding to even meaningfully compete with Hillary without lobbying the usual suspects (the so called lobbyists) for funding?
Bet enough people thought it was a pipe dream but is it not happening?
Who raised the money? not Barack but the people. Who told them it could be done? Barack. Who did it? the people.
3. Now Hillary is going on about change. That was the message she took away from Iowa I seem to recall ..........after she had lost to Barack. She certainly needed that experience to see what the people were yearning for.
For what it is worth, my assessment of Hillary is that she can make America as great as she can see but Barack is demonstrating that not only can he see further than Hillary, but he is waking up Americans to also start seeing new possibilies not just the one handed down by the boss. He can lead Americans to collectively make America as great as Americans can see.
In my young mind, it takes a truly natural progressive leader to inspire and empower the people around him and beyond to propel a democratic nation to perpetual greatness by tapping into the greatness in everyone and not just the boss.
Don't get too hung up on my two cents worth. It's your country. I'm just passing through. Good luck.
HILLARY WON BECAUSE EXPERIENCE AND SUBSTANCE WILL A;LWAYS TRUMP HYPE AND EMPTY SLOGANS. PERHAPS THE FIRST THING OBAMA SHOULD ENDEAVOR TO CHANGE IS HIS ASSOCIATION WITH HIS WASHINGTON LOBBYIST. PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH
Anyone but OBAMA. He lies and he is a dirty politician. Verifiably so.
He's running on audacity because that's all he has. He doesn't have the experience. He doesn't have the kind of grasp of the issues that the other candidates have. It was so obvious in the most recent debate. He kept on stammering and changing the topic when asked something he is unfamiliar with. He makes nice stories but rarely goes in depth because he can't. Without the opportunity to attack, his weak grasp of the issues were exposed.
My opposition to his candidacy is basically because there are better and more experienced candidates than him in this race, and he needs to shed some of his arrogance and lecturing to other candidates somehow holding a false high moral ground.
He initiated the smear on Hillary with opp. research smear (D-Punjab) and that Bill was profiting on 9-11 stuff, yet he never apologized to her. He blamed it on his staff. When someone in her campaign mentioned about his cocaine use, she immediately apologized and the person in question quit his position. Yet, he found a way to lecture her on negative campaign tactics when she personally apologized.
Earlier this year, when Elizabeth Edwards made some statement about unhappy marriage of Clintons and later personally apologized to her, Hillary was gracious and did not do a big deal about it. Where is Michelle Obama’s apology for the smears directed by her against Bill and Hillary?
Hypocrisy, arrogance on top of inexperience are some of the things that come to mind when I think of him. He would serve his campaign a great deal if he learnt some graciousness.
Despite the fact that you have a journalist writing the endorsement, there is absolutely no way to hide the fact that Obama is a lightweight and lacks the experience necessary to run the country. All the Boston Globe were able to highlight was Obama's "intuitive sense of the wider world". And all this because he lived in Indonesia when he was 6 years old. In touting his leadership, they pointed to his position on the nuclear proliferation treaty. Huh?
Contrast with McCain's and Hillary's endorsement where they talk about the achievements and the accomplishements of both politicians.
It only shows that no amount of journalistic skill can hide Obama's lack of competence, and no amount of attacks on Hillary Clinton can change the fact that she is more competent.
Hillary talks a lot about experience. If it was a job interview – which party presidential nomination should more resemble – then one needs to find out whether the 'experience' is the right type. If all presidential hopefulls in both parties seem to agree that "Washington is broken", one can only assume that Hillary's past experience contributed to such an outcome. Is Hillary's past experience really what America need for a more dynamic future? And for all the talk about VP position! Please, excuse me! Party presidential nominations ought to be a very competitive affair, not a give away on a silver plate. Which would happen for Hillary if Obama didnt make any effort.
funny, how bush can slaughter the English language here and all over the world and the pundits usually write out the proper words that His Highness ruined. But when Obama uses"gonna" you are very precise in writing down "gonna." It must kill you to see someone of Obama's stature and class ruin this circus for you. Try putting your blinders in your pockets for the next 10 months. Who knows, come November you may actual be able to see both sides of an argument.......................but I doubt it.
obama's beginning to see just what the republicans see in the clintons.
To Dan from MA: THANK YOU!! I'm glad to see that someone else is tuned in to what's really going on. People say Obama has no positions, he hasn't laid out a plan, he doesn't make it clear where he stands on the issues. These are talking points, not facts. Obama wrote a 362-page book about his positions, about the issues, about his plan for how America can turn itself around. It is contains well-written, thoughtful analyses of the issues facing this country and how he proposes we make change. If you read the book and disagree with his positions, that's one thing. But the problem is that most people refuse to read a 362 page book about politics, or any book about politics for that matter. They want to be spoon-fed the information by the media, and so they miss out on who these candidates really are.
Obama has more than 11 years experience as an elected official. Hillary has more than 7. There are different ways to dissect this issue of experience, but you have to look beyond the rhetoric.
Clearly, this goes beyond Obama. Hillary would never be where she is today if she wasn't "hopeful" and she has surely inspired many people with her achievements. And perhaps a lot of people don't like her, but it's obvious that many people do.
The candidates cannot knock on the door of every single American and answer his/her questions directly. If you care about issues, investigate. Find out where they do stand. I agree with Dan, that Clinton and Obama (and Edwards) basically agree on most of the issues in a broad sense. In general, they are all working towards the same goal of moving on from the current administration and making positive "change" (see, we all use talking points) in health care and the economy, etc.
For me, it's about being inspired. Words do matter. I've been moved and inspired to action by great books, by interesting stories, and by Barack Obama. That is meaningful and rare. And many people have been inspired by Hillary Clinton. We are all different. We are all inspired by different things. But Obama helps me to see we still have a lot in common. Clearly this is in the face of much evidence to the contrary, as demonstrated in this blog which is a disgusting display of America at its worst. Still, I have to believe you are all here because you care about this country.
New Hampshire voter fraud??????
http://truthseeds.org/2008/01/09/errors-transposing-votes-and-diebold-machines-removed-votes-from-obama-and-paul/
The article continues a disturbing trend in major media... quoting a one person's side of an issue without including any analysis that supports or refutes it. The CNN article should have told the reader either that Obama was right about being mis-represented or that he was wrong and Clinton was correct in his criticism.
KWAME:
It's unfortunate that there are people out there who are so gullible that they'll soak in whatever poison is spewing from the Clinton campaign and parrot it back like a no-brain zombie.
Obama's co-chair is NOT A WASHINGTON LOBBYIST. He is a state lobbyist who has never lobbied for Obama or any federal official.
Perhaps you need a Civics lesson on the difference between State politics and Federal politics. For goodness sakes, pick up a reputable newspaper, heck, just spend some time googling for info.
I am happy for both leading democratic nominees to be. First, for at least recognizing there must be a change and being in the situation the Republicans have put us in, we can't go nowhere but up and forward. So "CHANGE" has to be the primary concern no matter what the issue is. I believe we all know, if we want to exceed in this change, we must keep the White House Democratic, not just for the next eight years, but for at least the next sixteen. Yes, irregardless who our Democratic Candidate is, please, please, please choose the other as your running mate. (Hilary and Obama) We know you are opponents now, but in a few months one will be rallying for the other and both of you are very strong leaders who in the end we will appreciate. Our country is in big trouble and those Conservative Rep. want to keep us locked in the past where all these rich people can keep us at their mercy. So my advice to you Democratic Candidates, stop critizing each others weakness and focus on what each of you plan to do if and when we take over.
And how many times has Obama took liberties with Clintons words. Remember CNN Barrack's personell news service. Some of us have been following this race since it begun.. Obama tries so hard to make it sound like he is being picked on. Well if you can not handle it on the campaign, how in the world does he expect to handle it as President. BOO HOO for crying Obama.
JACK, NY, NY January 9, 2008 7:36 pm ET
Obama is a cry baby. Yesterday he was acting like a winner ready to take on WH. Walking with box of pizza in his hand, shaking little girls hand in a coffee shop. His reaction to Clintons remarks- "they are getting desperate…..blah blah….still confident he is wining…going on wining HOPE….then REALITY hits in…he lost….then he starts whining. …..NOW THAT IS WHAT OBAMA IS ..OBLIVIOUS AND HIS SUPPORTERS ARE EVEN MORE DILLUSIONAL…..hanging on with poetry of HOPE…..not thinking about the reality.
Jack Jack is BACK. I have missed reading your comments. I haven't seen them – maybe I just have been skimming through these too fast. I agree. Obama is a huge cry baby.
Bill Clinton lies! Period!
Cry,
Trick or Treat
N.H. Women Tricked ( Right)
Hillary got the Treat
I did not see hillary sniffle during the many Clinton W.H. Scandle
Ha Ha New Hampshire — You may have gaurenteed a republican victory. His politics (Divider) unlike husband. Obama and her husband connect with all people. The Dem for will be split with this type of Trickery on her own Dem.
Dems are Falling for anything
Oh yeah, by the way, once upon a time all the candidates were "Rookies in da Game" When it comes to being The President, unless you are running for re-election for the The Presidency, no one has any experience on running the country.
It is past time for the media to stop giving Obama a free pass.
He does exactly the same things columnists and reporters accuse the Clintons of doing: doing everything he can to win, using surrogates as attack dogs, changing his positions to pander to particular groups of voters, etc...
The only difference is that Clinton gets called on all of these while Obama is allowed to slide. It is political correctness writ large.
Perhaps if hillary spreads her tears across america she will win the nomination, otherwise I dont think she really has a chance.
It bothers me how people think that someone has to be from Washington to be president. Its a shame what this governmental system has done to people believing in Clinton nonsense.
Obama welcome to the "BIG DANCE" ... how are you going to change that??
Any specific answer will do.
I guarantee if you had answers for exactly how you will change things besides uniting people you would probably win. I think you are a few years ahead of your time. Also, I would stay out of debates that bring up anything to do with foreign affairs....those questions will kill you.
Hey people... ask questions.... demand answers from all the candidates.
Hillary ONLY won a small state over Obama by 2 percent! Relatively speaking, SHE lost to him in Iowa by 9 percent, much more obvious, and a larger state, with much more up for grabs. HE still LEADS with delegates.
We know all two well how the old-school politics are. I want change. Obama, an American man, running for an elected office to represent US, and the U.S., clearly is change, with his attitude, his style, and I believe, like others do about "people mocked about people with minimal experience", that regardless of what he knows once he gets into office, is relavant, but his convictions, passions, and the people he will surround himself with to bring about that change WILL WORK FOR US, and the U.S.
Everyone, just think about where you were, say two, five, ten, or twenty years ago, and where you wanted to be. The serious ones, with serious conviction, and passion GOT there! He will too. We need him as a leader, as an inspiration, and for change, for GOOD. It's time!
I don't want 8 more years of "her". We've seen that movie, read that book, and saw the article, somewhere, right?
Signed,
Former diehard Reagan Republican!
Show me a man who wants to go to Washington to change things and what he offers to do this with is Hope, Unity and Bipartisanship and I will show you a man going to a brass knuckle brawl armed with only good intentions.
OBAMA, WE DON'T NEED A LEADER THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GOD, WHAT DOES IT SAY IN THE BIBLE ABOUT FOLLOWING A FALSE LEADER. VOTER BEST BE CAREFUL VOTING FOR OBAMA, WE NEED A PRES. WHO BELIEVES IN GOD.
I THINK BILL CLINTON WAS A GREAT PRES., HILLARY WILL MAKE ANOTHER GREAT PRES.
WHERE CLINTON WAS OUT PRES., WE WAS NOT AT WAR.
PRES. BUSH IS TO STUPID. WHERE IS HE RIGHT NOW? WHEN HE NEEDS HERE IN THE U.S.A. HE IS OUT SPENDING OUR TAX DOLLARS.
PEOPLE HAD JOBS WHEN WE HAD PRES. BILL CLINTON,
LOOK AT ALL THE FACTORYS MOVING OUT OF THE U.S. PEOPLE LOSING JOBS. BECAUSE OF BUSH.
I THINK HILLARY CAN BRING US OUT OF THE MESS BUSH HAS GOTTEN US INTO. VOTE HILLARY IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THE U.S. BACK LIKE IT WAS WHEN BILL CLINTON WAS PRES.
WE SURE DON'T NEED OBAMA OR ANY OF THE OTHERS THAT A RUNNING.
ONE IS RUNNING AND WINNING IS SO OLD, HOW IS HE GOING TO MAKE IT 4 YEARS. CAN NOT EVEN COMB HIS HAIR, MY GOD, DON'T THIS TELL THE VOTER SOMETHING ABOUT HIM.
WE SURE DO HAVE SOME DANDIES TO PICK FROM. GOD HELP US ALL.....
First, I'd like to congradulate the voters of NH. You showed the media that you have minds of your own and don't let the media or polls influence how you vote.
I was only 50% sure of who I was going to vote for during the primary in my state on Feb. 5th. My vote was a toss up between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama. I was leaning towards Mrs. Clinton because she has more experience and has done good things for the state of New York. Look up her record and you will see this for yourselves. She's been clear on the issues and admits she made a mistake with Iraq. That to me says alot. It can not have been easy to admit that she made a mistake. She voted for it with the information given to her and I,for one was okay with the war (at the beginning) in Iraq with the information I was given. I have 3 family members and countless friends in the military so wasn't looking to send these men and women there to die for no good reason. I also started thinking back to when her husband was president and all of the things that were right with our country then. These are the ones that mattered to me and should matter to all of you as well. When Clinton was in office, (and I know he's not the one running, but she was their with him, so some of his experience and knowledge has to have rubbed off on her) sure there was scandal, BUT our national debt was erased, their were plenty of jobs, our economy was great, , he was well liked by foreign diplomats and still is today, and gas and oil prices were at reasonable prices. Americans were proud to call themselves American when traveling abroad. This is not the case any more. We get whispers behind our backs and odd looks, like they would rather spit on us than talk to us. Don't get me wrong this is not the case everywhere, but it is evident. These are just a few things that worked for me during the Clinton administration. What he did in his private life had no bearing on how he ran this country. I'm not saying what he did was honorable or even right, but he wasn't the first president to get caught in this kind of scandal and he won't be the last.
Then on Saturday night I watched the Democratic debate...that made up mind. I've read on this forum how intelligent and articulate Mr. Obama is, but was I the only one who noticed the stuttering and the long pauses. It seemed to me as is he had to run his answers through mind first before vocalizing them. He kept saying how he was going to make changes, but gave no specifics and believe me I was waiting to hear about these changes he was going to make, and how he was going to make them. I keep waiting for SOMEONE to demand that he give specifics, but as of yet no one has. The media is playing hardball with Mrs. Clinton and using kit gloves with Mr. Obama. I don't believe any of our foreign adversaries are going to use kit gloves with him if he's elected president, so he better grow a spine and soon. And how snotty was he when he told her (Mrs. Clinton) she was "liked enough". Not a good move on his part in my opinion.
Mrs. Clinton on the other hand was articulate and elegant in her answers. She was specific on the issues and there was no stuttering or long pauses. She got angry at one point in the debate which is one of the things I had not seen her do before and I thought to myself, okay she can hold her own when pushed to the wall.
The next day the media started reporting how she was trailing in NH by double digits and all I kept thinking is how once again the American people were letting a smooth talker (George W. Bush) who doesn't actually say anything of substance get to them again. I WAS WRONG. Thank you NH for giving me back faith in the American people to be able to tell the difference between just words and empty promises and actual specifics on issues.
These are just my opinions and observations and I respect anyone who doesn't agree with them, that's what makes America great.
My vote is firmly in Mrs. Clinton column because I believe she might be the only one who can bring the United States back from the brink.
After staying glued to the primary and following all of the fallout for the last 24 hrs, I just have one question:
With all of the media hype over Senator Clinton's "Triumphant Victory" over Senator Obama, why is no one mentioning the fact that Senator Obama has a 1 point OVERALL lead in the Democratic race?
I mean hey, its still early...............doesn't the rest of the country have a say?
Dont anyone be fooled by the Clinton name. Bill and Hillary are two different people and for people to think that Hillary will be as good a president as Bill is a big mistake. Besides, Bill had his ups and downs too.
Another dynasty??? Do we want another Clinton in the white house? why don't people open their eyes and see through Hillary like I do. A woman who will do anything, including shedding crocodile tears to get what she wants is very dangerous. Be ware! She claims she wants to help the American people but my friends, we all know there are so many other ways she can do that including being a senator. Yet, she cries as if her world will end if she doesnt become a president.
As for Bill Clinton, he should keep his mouth shut and stop going after Barack. He should be the last person to point fingers after his cheating fiasco in the white house. His words mean nothing right now.
Some people really are just dimwitted. First of all, Obama DID respond to Bill Clinton's lies and he did so before the New Hampshire primary. He didn't respond like a baby; he stated calmly and clearly that Bill Clinton has and will continue to take his quotes about the Iraq war out of context. Second, although he was not able to vote against the war, he spoke out against it from day one. Also, he has not once changed his opinion on the matter. Voting for funding of the war does not make him a flip flopper, it simply signifies that he is not willing to abandon the troops. That is all.
Third, Obama is not behaving like a sore loser, he is simply clearing up the facts. As many of these comments show, people have actually been foolish enough to listen to the Clintons' lies about him and so it his job, as A CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENCY to counter their statements. Fourth, the Clintons are proving themselves more and more to be negative influences on the country. Barack Obama has tried his hardest to run a positive campaign. Even when he was a clear underdog and the hillary juggernaut was moving forward with its "in it to win it" nonsense, he kept his cool and continued to promote his message (which, by the way, is not simply the word CHANGE. he actually has an idea about how this country should be run. try READING about it: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ ). However, as soon as Hillary suffered a setback, the claws came out she she showed her true colors as a scrappy politician who will do anything to win.
To win New Hampshire Hillary Clinton had to run a campaign of deception, low blows and crocodile tears. And then we have bill (who I have respected for years, but who seriously needs to get a grip – his wife isn't that great) who blatantly LIED about obama's record and called obama's success the biggest fairy tale ever. give me a break. What really is the fairy tale is that he and his wife seem to think that they are truly entitled to the White House.
Honestly, obama has forced even the republicans to stop in their tracks and acknowledge that he is a true threat because he has a positive message and he appeals to the public. i've read so many articles about how one special thing about obama is that he truly believes that he can work WITH the citizens of this country to effect change. it's not all this, me me me me me nonsense, he's all about using "WE". He's a visionary leader and i hate that people just jump to the conclusion that he's not qualified just because he has high hopes for the country. HILLARY CLINTON SHOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT because all she cares about is herself.
Especially great was how, through her tears, she proclaimed, 'some people are right and others are wrong'. Hmm, so you're right and obama is wrong. good one. That's the spirit, the clintons can never be wrong because they are, of course, omniscient. she just wants to win a race, and if she has to cry to do so she will. if she has to claim that obama doesn't stand up for abortion rights, she will. if she has to argue that obama is a flip flopper when it comes to Iraq, she will. She played dirty and it worked in her favor. but does this really bode well for our country? great so yet another politician shows that simply being yourself doesn't work. instead you have to be scrappy and pretend to be a tough guy or a pansy little girl (please, 'i still try to watch my weight, sniffle, sniffle, and watch what i eat, sniffle, sniffle.' biggest load of nonsense i've ever seen) in order to appeal to everyone.
That whole, 'tears that rocked the world,' bit is NONSENSE. the media took this crap story and went running with it and suddenly every headline is basically, 'woah, hillary has a heart?!' oh man such a joke. i can't believe it actually worked. and everyone tries to say that the press doesn't pick on obama enough, but HE IS NEWER SO OBVIOUSLY THERE IS LESS TO CRITICIZE (interestingly, bill clinton was in the same boat when he was running in 1992 – new guy, big ideas – so i love how now that he and hillary are old, he's all about, wah wah wah my wife has been around longer). moreover, is it such a bad thing that someone is ACTUALLY a good human being with a pretty decent record? i don't think so. what a pity. i seriously PRAY that obama can pull through in the end.
im not sure obama can do it,im not even sure that hillery can do it, but in regards to the post that if you dont vote for obamma then vote for romney or MCcain?gulioni? edwards, good god man! get some help!, maby,just maby, edwards could do something but i doubt it,but the rest of these guys are,
well you could go mc cain,he backs bush on the war, and hes like 120,yrs old not to mention he owes, if elected its,politics as usual,,no thanks,romney? he just says what you want to here, hes so back and forth how could you even keep up with him? well unless your his barber,, gulioni,this guy is a total waste,, of all the canidates hes not even worth the min to think and say no,the field is set and theres very little to pick from, but another 4 yrs of a money spending,self indulgent administration, is just tooooooo much,we dont care about abortion,do what you need as long as you can live with it so can we, we dont care if your gay, just dont push yourlifestyle on others and we could care less, unless you just cant get the picture of it out of your head ,then you need help not the gay people,we want gas prices down, a leader to develop a new fuel, get us out of iraq, and leave these fricking countrys alone, get some strong companys back in the u.s, and deport all these frickin imigrants out of this country, thats what the american people want, and while your at it, do an early retirement for the house and congress to get these prehistoric pompus asses out of the 18th century way of thinking and bring things up to date, windows updates every few days to keep up,its time to move forward, or get out of the way! what is so hard about making change? you are the we the people! take it back and make it better,obama,hillery,edwards, anything else is what you have now,
Here in Illinois, both Hillary and Obama are favorite sons, (daughter?). Maybe Hillary even more, as she was raised in Park Ridge, right next to Chicago, and Obama grew up in Honolulu, and Indonesia. He was a civil rights lawyer here in Illinois, before entering politics. His Senate race was easy when his Republican opponent, Jack Ryan, withdrew, because of a sex scandal. 12 weeks prior to the election, the Republicans brought in Alan Keyes, an African American Republican from Maryland, to replace Ryan on the ballot. So, of course Obama won in a walk. Now for Oprah’s support. What is not publicized is Oprah’s support for the Iraq Invasion. She devoted a portion of her show, and let Judy Miller, and the Iraq Invasion propaganda bunch rail about Iraq’s WMD arsenal, which did not exist. She pushed Judy Miller’s book on germ warfare, and cut off a audience member that questioned the coming invasion. Obama’s opposition to the Military Authorization? I live in Illinois, and didn’t hear anything about it, or from him, at the time. I believe the media would have taken him apart if he had been very vocal in his opposition.
"Barry" Obama (the name he used while growing up, by the way), needs to stop his "crying". He is also going to have a lot of explaining to do, when people start to look into his history. He wrote an interesting book back in the mid 1990's, in which he describes his drug use ("blow" and "pot", but "not smack"), in pseudo-street language, saying that he used these drugs to cope with his stress of being a black man in a white man's world. In reality he went to an elite high school in Hawaii, where there were plenty of mixed race students (after first going to an Islamic elementary school.) He seems to have no problem playing the "race card" in his favor, when convenient.
Hillary has experience; Obama does not.
Hillary Clinton is by far the greater candidate.
I believe Bill Clinton. Of course I believed him when he said "I did not have sex with that woman...."
I love this. All of a sudden, when the pollsters and media were dead wrong, they are spinning it in so many ways, as is the Obama camp, to say this was just a fluke upset. What a bunch of dimwits. I guess pollsters and media folk don't think the public becomes tired of constant polling and start lying just to get them away. I lie constantly to pollsters, whether by phone or online.
The problem I see now is that some media people, specifically on MSNBC, are starting to use the race card. Chris Matthews is one guy who pouted all night last night as the results came in. His arms were crossed and he looked more stunned then he usually is. He was trying to find anything to show he wasn't wrong, that the voters got it wrong. Then Chuck Todd showed up. Todd is the one who started Matthews on his insinuation that NH voters are racist in a desperate attempt to move it off the fact he also got it dead wrong! He said he wasn't saying the people of NH were racist, but you have to look at these things, and then Matthews gets right in there. Look at his show tonight, that's where he flat out would not agree with Buchanan and Dee Dee, but sure agreed with the Black Professor who threw a hissy fit. He should've done the Obama is the greatest thing since JC like he did on YouTube. Remeber the people in Rangoon will be talking about Obama's win?
The Morning Joe crew just wanna make me puke (now wonder they're last in the ratings among the 3 news networks). Get rid of those guys, but keep Keith O!
No wonder people don't trust the media.
Rate the following: Lawyers, Politicians; Political Pundits;Snake Oil Salesman! Give me a Snake Oil Salesman anytime.
I'm thinking that maybe there is another, more significant, reason for the discrepancy between the pre-vote surveys in New Hampshire and the actual outcome for Obama vs Clinton in the primary there. Here's my thought: A large number of votes for Obama was expected to come from college students. I would think it would be significant to note that college students are probably on break and not around to vote in the scheduled primary. The question I am posing is why , then, would the NH primary be scheduled when it was – especially so close behind the Iowa primary? Was this deliberate? Was it a strategy to certainly affect the outcome?
"you can praise the fact that you dont have an airplan wing in your livingroom. That 50% could have been 0% if you looked up at the towers and said "Oh that sucks, oh well, life goes on, hope they dont do it again tomorrow!"
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If the huge, overwhelming majority of Bush's 50% increase in debt was due to catching the responsible people so they couldn't do this again, that would be fine. But instead the vast majority of money is gone because Bush gladly invaded a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11 and anyway, as he said, he "wasn't that concerned" about bin Laden.
No one should believe that the huge spending is the sole cause for not having a SECOND attack on America on Bush's watch. The 50% increase has not come remotely close to preventing foreigners from easily crossing our borders. If we are to pass out credit, we owe some degree of thanks to Mexico and Canada for preventing terrorists having easy access to points where they could just walk or swim into the United States.
Bill Clinton will take more than liberty with your words, Obama. The Clinton's are street brawlers, guttersnipes and play dirty. I hope you can withstand the onslaught that will come for your audacity of getting in Hillary's way to her predestined position in the White House. God be with you.
It shouldn't be any surprise...Bill has a long, long history of twisting and bending words around to fit his argument. And he's always had the charisma to make even rational people believe in it. It's really his natural talent. That's probably the real reason that we Democrats even put him in office in the first place, because those who knew his game also knew how easily he could hold his office with such a gift.
BUSH-CLINTON-BUSH-CLINTON!!!
Think about it America! If you really wanted change you could actually get it if you weren't so pathetic.
The Clintons should be in marriage counseling or should have divorced long ago. They are fooling all of you! Wake the hell up. Who care's what Bill Clinton, a President who lied right to your face, has to say. Why does he have ANY credibility. Yeah, I voted for him twice but after he lied I now call his integrity into question.
Have you noticed how NOTHING has really changed? The candidates are still talking about health care, fixing social security, tax-cuts, bla, bla, bla
NOTHING HAS CHANGED! It's the same set of problems every election cycle.
The only way to change it to take a new course insane people. You keep doing the same thing expecting different results.
Karen, it appears to me that you've collected the superficial attack points against Senator Obama from the web without having studied the issues yourself. Here's my response to the 4 specific voting records of Senator Obama that you pointed out as somehow anti-middle. If you study them carefully, you'll realize that you couldn't be further from the truth.
1. The Class Action Fairness Act of 2005 (CAFA) addressed some of the abuses practiced by class action lawyers AT THE COST of their clients and consumers that they purport to represent by requiring stricter federal scrutiny in class action settlements, e.g., coupon settlements and attorneys’ fees awarded to class counsel. This legislation, although it’s against my own interest as a class action lawyer myself, was necessary to avoid the type of cases where attorneys’ fees exceed the relief to the class members (the consumers about whom you are concerned). Most class actions settle, and the class action attorneys previously had wide latitude and often unfettered discretion on fashioning settlements, with state courts rubber stamping the proposed settlements which often gave pennies to the consumers and the attorneys took millions. See, for example, the case of Kamilewicz v. Bank of Boston. CAFA addressed these issues to ensure that the consumers would get a fairer share.
2. As far as the credit card 30% interest cap that you refer to, the proposed amendment that you refer to was to S. 256 which, contrary to what you say, was lobbied by credit card companies including MBNA Corp., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and the finance units of General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. On the other hand, the bill was OPPOSED not only by Senator Obama but by consumer protection groups such as the National Consumer Law Center, Consumer Federation of America, and civil rights groups such as Leadership Conference on Civil Rights. The opposition to the bill was based on the opinion that the bill was a package put together by financial institutions and their lobbyists and would plunge millions of Americans into bankruptcy and would be ruinous to middle class and low income families. Senator Obama opposed the whole bill, Senator Clinton was absent for the vote.
3. Nomination of Thomas Griffith was part of a bipartisan deal that dealt with a predictable set of conservative judicial nominees and amidst talk of a filibuster showdown and counter threat of Republicans to use the nuclear option of doing away with the filibuster against judicial candidates. Griffith, as it turns out, was one of the less objectionable candidates on the slate. At the time, Senator Kennedy stated that the Senate had narrowly averted a crisis: “It does seem to me that the American people want us to get on with the people's business. This has been an enormous distraction.”
4. As far as the fair trade agreement issue, I assume you’re referring to CAFTA. I hope you know about what NAFTA has done to American workers. If not, please study the issue. I’ll let Senator Obama speak on why he opposed CAFTA in his own words from his senate webpage:
“There are real problems in the agreement itself. It does less to protect labor than previous trade agreements, and does little to address enforcement of basic environmental standards in the Central American countries and the Dominican Republic. Moreover, there has been talk that, in order to get votes from legislators from sugar-producing states, the Bush administration may be preserving indefensible sugar subsidies that benefit a handful of wealthy growers and cripple Illinois candy manufacturers.
But the larger problem is what's missing from our prevailing policy on trade and globalization–namely, meaningful assistance for those who are not reaping its benefits and a plan to equip American workers with the skills and support they need to succeed in a 21st Century economy.
So far, almost all of our energy and almost all of these trade agreements are about making life easier for the winners of globalization, while we do nothing as life gets harder for American workers. In 2004, nearly 150,000 workers were certified as having lost their jobs due to trade and were thus eligible for Trade Adjustment Assistance–and this number doesn't even count service workers like janitors and cafeteria employees.
But this is about more than displaced workers. Our failure to respond to globalization is causing a race to the bottom that means lower wages and stingier health and retiree benefits for all Americans. It's causing a squeeze on middle-class families who are working harder but making even less and struggling to stay afloat in this new economy. As one Downstate worker told me during a recent visit, "It doesn't do me much good if I'm saving a dollar on a T-shirt at Wal-Mart, but don't have a job."
And so now we must choose. We must decide whether we will sit idly by and do nothing while American workers continue to lose out in this new world, or if we will act to build a community where, at the very least, everyone has a chance to work hard, get ahead and reach their dreams.”
Am I the only Democrat who is absolutely disgusted by the tone and rhetoric coming out of all these Clinton supporters? It's not just this blog either.
These people sound like Republicans in '04. This is like Karl Rove pt 2. It just sickens me.
I was excited by the promise of Bill Clinton's presidency and tried to put the best face on his and Hillary's betrayal of that promise. However, I became totally disgusted by their behavior this last weekend. Hillary's crocodile tears for herself and us poor people who may not appreciate how she could save us and Bill's nearly psychotic behavior was appaling. I do not see how anyone can see her chocking up as "humanizing." I love New Hampshire but its voters let us down.
Barrack, I read both your book, you're okay but.....You started this fight and the Clintons will end it with Hillary in the White House. Quit crying and be a man. By the way, I'm African American.
Iraq incident isn't war, it is a battle against to terrorist of Iraq. Reference what Mr Bush has said.
listen up people
that tidal wave and the 12 point lead was dreamt up by the media to go after Hillary
throughout this whole process it has always been acceptable to go after Hillary so visciously but not after pretty boy Barak how about their hairdoos and their ties or suits???? John Edwards wife had plenty to say so why can't Bill
and if he wants change why does he want peeps from the Clinton administration including Hillary to join his cabinet if he would be elected – you know why? they were successful in achieving change and wow oh wow they have EXPERIENCE which he lacks- speeches are great but actions speak louder than words where are the plans????
and what was so bad about the 8 years Clinton was in office
the middle class was put back to work and prospered house values skyrocketed
people respected Americans- and we were still manufacturing and new jobs – the U.S. never had it so good-were being created instead of being Chinas consumer
and if you remember one of Bills inaguration speeches he said we needed vehicles to achieve 40 miles per gallon
and the only reason why healthcare revisions failed for Hillary is because the Repugs threw her out and told her to go bake cookies that is how threatened they have always been from her and in spite of all that she has still reached across the isle to date and worked with them and you know what they actually like her
this is the reality not the fantasy I hope all Americans are real happy with the Bush regime
I was searching on-line for some answers to what seem to be a lot of peoples concerns. I found a new web site by a new political author and radio host, http://www.shallsetyoufree.com. This guy seems to on the edge of answers.
i hope all the hillary supporters get hillary as president (the one term wonder) bill & hillary they are a lie they don't even like each other this is the deal they made he would help her be president and you folks hate black so much you would put a fraud in office before him.... wow thats ....
"let's save pessimism for better times" stay positive, peace
How about we leave our spouses at home and run for president like big boys and girls? Let's take Bill out of the picture, and you're left with Hillary. Just Hillary.
Let's say...God forbid but...on the second day of President Hillary Clinton's presidency, Bill suffers a heart attack and passes on. Still feeling OK about her running the country? Alone?
The Clintons panicked response before New Hampshire just shows how low they'll go to win. What, with their false mailers about Obama's abortion stance, playing on the fears for Obama's safety. The way they ridiculed hope and idealism, Hilary using her gender to play on peoples emotions.
We don't need any of that. Ever since Nixon this country has been all political games-power plays-. Let's end that tradition by stopping those who play the game.
The Clintons panicked response before New Hampshire just shows how low they'll go to win. What, with their false mailers about Obama's abortion stance, playing on the fears for Obama's safety. The way they ridiculed hope and idealism, Hilary using her gender to play on peoples emotions.
We don't need any of that. Ever since Nixon this country has been all political games-power plays-. Let's end that tradition by stopping those who play the game.
wow,so finally wolf blitzer and the people at the clinton news network got something to be cheerfull about.so what's up with so called first black president's attacks on the junior senator from illinois?him and his family are the establishment,they own the democratic party!!and as for the former first lady,she crying because she loves the country so much that she thinks anybody else apart from her will destroy the country?gimme a break!!congratulations blitzer and cooper and oh when is cooper gonna do another story about the third world for some pain comfort for himself?!!
Mr Bush has done all the Best for America.
The fact remains – The media includes cnn – played billy-boy's LIE all day long – before trying to correct that lie ....
Let's don't forget all there life's – billy-boy been out-sorcing his willy and hillary has been lying about it ...
So are we going to put the same-ole liars back into the white-house ????
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Poor little boy. Get used to it!
To Mike from Waterbury: uhh, I think you should look at the context of what Obama said and when he said it. He was clearly referring to the fact that his position in 2004 was that the troops should not be pulled out immediately, which was obviously the same position Bush had. If you used your brain you would have understood this without me having to inform you. Try harder next time please.
Why isn't Bush settled to President election. Of course I would vote him instead of the other candidates. Is there somekind of official valid maximum time period for president's incumbent.
Poor little boy, get used to it.
I am sick and tired of all the whining and rationalizing today coming from the media who got it wrong. Calling Clinton's victory last night a stunning defeat for Obama is patently absurd. Has everyone forgotten he still leads her in delegates? He got the same number of delegates as her last night and that is hardly a "big win" for Hillary. Two percentage points is not even a landslide by Bush standards.
Wow, reading through some more of these comments, I'm struck dumb at the really appalling state of some American's cognitive abilities and apparent lack of civil discourse - it seems that to a lot of the Hillary supporters it's not enough to take on a competitor; one has to insult, demean, and try to utterly dominate and defeat them. Shame, shame, shame on you people. A (justified) hatred of Bush has poisoned your souls to the point that you can no longer treat an adversary as human.
I believe there was a coordinated, mini-swift boat by the Clintons that took the Obama camp by surprise. He was mislead into believing he had an insurmountable lead and let both Clintons hammer away (I believe they are both running for the job now). Obama is smart enough to not let that happen again.
Everyone should take a hard look at the opportunity we are being presented and reduce the pointless bickering about who says what. I do not want another 4 to 8 years of gridlock, partisan bickering, and endless BS. Does anyone truely believe the Republicans will work with her? We need new blood at the top to have any hope in breaking this gridlock.
Funny comment about Obama but Hillary Clinton was the one who cried her way to a win. Is she going to broker peace in the Middle East by shedding a few tears or perhaps having some other kind of tantrum?
People, if you agree with free trade, NAFTA, and the WTO, then by all means, vote for Clinton, Inc. If you agree with energy company consolidation (e.g. oil), telecommunications consolidation, media consolidation, as well as defense industry consolidation, (Which all started under Bill's watch.) then by all means, vote for the Clinton political machine. I don't understand why experience is such a big issue in this election cycle, considering we have had probably the least experienced, as well as unqualified president in the history of our country. (and he was elected twice!!!!) I don't know if Barack Obama is the right man for the job, however he has not been in politics long enough to be corrupted by the system. I think what this country needs more than anything is not change, (They all say that.) but some different people in these positions of power. So even though he was not in the Senate to make some of the votes that are being debated currently, the bottom line is he didn't vote to go to war in Iraq, or the Patriot Act, or many of the other bills that infringe on our citizens civil rights. (Unlike Hillary.... ) I urge everyone on this blog to go out to http://www.senate.org and research both candidates voting records. I think it should be obvious who the most deserving candidate at that point....
People here need to calm down and do some research. Obama just gave "vague" suggestions about being anti-war? Please. Read the speech!
http://www.tnj.com/archives/2004/september2004/final_word.php
It's amazing how much uninformed hatred this medium generates. I hope we all can be more responsible
THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE WORST BLOG IN HISTORY......I RETURNING BACK TO THE NYT AND FIRST READ....I SHOULD HAVE KNOW ALL THOSE SELF SERVING BLODS THAT APPEAR ON LOU DODD SHOW...
MY GOD THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE WORST BLOD
here's an interesting take on how the new hampshire upset took place:
Secret Strategy by Evil Boo
So, not only is Obama responsible for his own position, but for Oprah's as well? I love how the only person not responsible for their position on any issue is HRC. Isn't she promising the same things that her husband promised in 1992? For those calling for an investigation into the Obama, be careful what you wish for, because when the investigations begin they will also include Mrs. Clinton and her so-called husband. If she breaks down because she was losing a primary what will she do when the Republicans come after her during the general election. The reality is that the in-fighting between these two candidates is going to ensure a Republican victory in November. The Clintons have already begun slinging mud and Obama will have to sling back in order to stay in the race; and after watching the Republicans on television tonight they are re-energized and salivating at the opportunity of running against HRC. And to those who have gone on and on about experience, if that is the case then shouldn't Dodd, Richardson, or Biden have won? Your argument doesn't hold up, but I suspect you know that.
Bill, it is such a shame to twist.. I saw you saying the rubbish. you lost my respect. you atre not any different from those ugly politicians...
Thanks for setting Bill straight.
I am a huge fan of Bill, except in his role as husband supporter of Hillary. We need to turn the page and open a new chapter with Obama. Step aside, Hillary, please.
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When Bill clinton said it is a fairy tale, he is immediately condemning all those black people who saw Obama win Iowa caucucs and became hopeful that something can really happen. Other day I saw a columbia ph.d. student on Charlie Rose. She was covering Obama race and at the end of the program, her eyes teared up about the possibility. If you play these against Hillary's tears, you will know which are genuine; which tears are exploting the basic instincts of human race.
Glen, the superdelegates are some kind of check and balance against potential abuse and conspiracy. for instance, imagine a conspiracy from a competing party to subvert the democratic choice. in that case, the superdelegates could be used as a counterbalance. SUPERDELEGATES are individuals that have proven their loyalty to the party by being committed to its philosophy for a substantial period of time. someone who votes today in a democratic primary is not necessarily a proven party loyalist; for that person may vote for another party coming next election. so leaving everything to mere voters may not be a wise party decision. hence, the necessity of superdelegates.
Clearly Obama is the only logical democratic candidate. Hilary has been using Bill as a platform for years. Her only experience is being the wife of a cheating, dishonest husband, other than that she has none. Obama can and WILL save this country and anybody who believes otherwise is simply ridiculous....
I am a New Hampshire resident who voted for Hillary Clinton. Why? Because she has what it will take to turn this country around. I don't know where Barack Obama stands on the issues & I don't believe he has what it takes to be the leader of this country. Oh sure, he gives great speeches but it's going to take more than speeches about hope & change to turn this counrty around.
I trust Hillary Clinton to put together an excellent team that will work to cut our national debt, restore our dignity in the worid, take the tax burden off of the middle class, affordable health care for all citizens, etc.
Most importantly, I trust that Hillary Clinton will address the debt that we owe to China. Do any of you realize the dollar amount that we pay in interest on that debt? Do any of you think about what will happen to this country if China uses the "nuclear option" & calls in that debt. How can we as a nation stand up to China when financially they own us?
As for those of you who believe a woman cannot run this country, think again. Who handles household budgets, cleans the house, cooks, gives birth, comforts & pumps up the men in their lives + works to afford a decent lifestyle for her family?
For the past seven years we have had two men running this country & they have run this country into the ground. We are debt ridden due to war of choice not of neccessity. It's going to take a strong woman to turn this country around & that woman is Hillary Clinton.
Has ANYONE here read Barack's speech on the matter, PRE-invasion??
Everyone criticizing the man wants to pretend that he has NO record. It's out there people, just read for a few minutes!
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech
the big problem with the clintons is that they would insult the intelligence of the american people without even blinking. first of all, bill claims that obama voting record in the senate is very similar to that of hillary in an attempt to show that hilary is not that different from obama; yet, he would praise his wife's legislative accomplishement but undermine that of obama as the biggest fairy tale. that is the contradiction!!! what obama said about the war was not a contradiction. also claiming that the media is in favor of obama is a lie. obama was written off by the media long ago in favor of the inevitable candidate. as someone has already pointed out, obama has only himself to blame; for god's sake, bill was the same man who tried to change the meaning of the very common word "SEX", so no one should be surprised if he has twisted another man's word.
Joanne:
Women other than Hillary Clinton can turn this country around. We have some great women at the head of major corporations and in the public sector. Hillary Clinton is too divisive to unite the country. If she gets elected, she will not be able to rule effectively because of her attitude. In New Hampshire, she and her husband used emotion and race card in order to win. Her narrow victory was due to sympathy votes by women. In this context, if women like you and Ms. Gloria Steinem vote because of gender, another division may arise within the Democratic Party and vindependents. I think that people should vote for a candidate based on that candidate's qualification.
Hillary = Status Quo. It's that simple. She tried to enact major healthcare reform but failed miserably. Health care is too important to risk with someone who has a bad track record.
I am amazed how Democrats have bought Hillary's fairy tale about "change." There will be very little change under a Hillary administration. Don't believe me? Name some significant new policies and changes under the Bill Clinton administration.
Obama = Change. Hillary = lip service to change and cozy relationships with big donors, selling out the progressive left, just like Bill did.
How funny. I submitted a comment earlier that stated something along the lines of :
"Big surprise, The to biggest campaign spenders are butting heads. Maybe if there was a cap on campaign spending we would get a clearer view of the truth"
To my disbelief, my comment was not approved. Has sensorship really reached this level?
Once again , a Ron Paul supporter of the south
(maybe this time my comment will reach the cut)
Obama has never played the race card. Unlike Hillary who has continually played the gender card. GIVE ME A BREAK! Tearing up about a question concerning the campaign season. Hillary didn't tear up when Bill (the adulterer) got caught publicly cheating on her or when her vote for the Iraq war put this country on a divisive and downward path. I'm sure the terrorists are liking the weakness they see in Hillary.
being against unchecked lobbyism is not equivalent to being against lobbyism itself.
people have a right to lobby but they do not have a right to bribe politicians.
similarly if a doctor says that too much sugar is bad for you, would you call him a hypocrit if you see him consume sugar in moderation? similarly, on what logical basis is obama an hypocrit for hiring a professional lobbyist since in the first place obama is against lobbyism itself but rather against unchecked lobbyism? plouffe is not to pander to big powerful lobbyists, so it is not an act of hypocrisy since the job of being a political strategists overlays with that of being a lobbyist. this is again how the clintons would insult our intelligence.
I believe the correct protocol is to address a former President as President Clinton or President Bush, etc. I feel that addressing President Clinton as
Bill Clinton is disrespectful and demeaning and projects an air of arrogance.
I think it's about time everyone takes a step back and asked themselfs a question or two about those who are running for U.S. President that serve in the House or Senate. If they all have such great ideas, then why haven't they introduce bills for these types of thing they are promissing to the American public. When you get a justifiable answer, please let us all know why the Bill didn't pass in committee or house, but first let us know when it was introduced.
The second point is, I would like to have a job right now where I'm getting paid by the American people while I'm running a champaign for President. Is that fair to those who aren't a Congressman or Senator, and have to do the funding out of their own pocket. Oh, I forgot, what about the money being spent for secret service personnal? Who's paying for all of that? Don't forget that there is 24 hours a day, seven days a week, so that roughfully means 50 to 60 security people we pay for in travel , meals and lodging. Now, if we took the money that is paying for all the security and all expenses, we could almost pay for all health care, as well as secure our boarders. I know most of the folks in California don't care about that, beign they are the ones who just burn they're money just to show off.
Let's find someone who cares more about what is happening in the United States and wants to close the gates and return labor where it belongs. Not over seas, but here. If we continue the way we are going, we will be at the mercy of other countries for all our needs.
Bottom Line, Only six months of campaigning, one million dollars for advertising, andthen the seventh month is the elections. It's up to us to make the difference and not the politician.
Anyone who believes that Hillary Clinton will lead this country in a new direction is extremely out of touch. The democrats have the chance with Obama to nominate a candidate that not only appeals to democrats but independents and republicans...isn't that the best of all scenarios for a general election?? Say what you want about his record and experience, Hillary is by no means perfect either but one thing is for sure and that is she will polarize this country and ensure that the gop has a legit shot at winning the white house AGAIN! This is a moment for democrats to seize back Washington and build a coalition of the willing regardless of political affiliation. And with that this country will actually be able rebound from this terrible situation we are in
Am I the onl y person who thinks that if Obama were Phil Mckenzie and a white man he would have been laughed off the stage when he stated he wanted to be President? A white man or woman with his experience would not have been given the time of day.....
Bill Clinton will do anything to WIN Hillary... Remember, after that ORAL office chapter which put to shame the greatest country on earth, he has been wooing Hillary. I bet Bill promised her the ORAL office just so she can put up a picture of one happy family... Get real, Clintons...
Greetings,
It is depressing how many (not all) of these comments are ignorant and abusive. Apparently people are so disempowered that when they get a chance, they just spew whatever bits of out-of-context information they've managed to fit into their preconceived little ideas. The facts are repeatedly wrong and the attacks are mean and childish. If I'm for intelligent dialog and consided opinions, does that make me an Obama supporter? If so, guilty as charged.
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Really nice to know that Bill the racist Clinton thinks that the only good use for Blacks is neoexploitation in pursuit of his family's interest. Funny looking for an additional presidential term through his wife ...Well this time it will be different..everyone will see him for the incompentent slcik sellout that he always out...the economy is in the tanks thanks to GeorgeW and his wife's and his political opportunism will only make things worst...
The Oracle
How bout voting for Barbara Bush ...she had two sons who were governors and a Husband and a son who were president... let's see the Clintons top that ...What experience?
Well it's nice to see that CNN and so many bloggers are still consumed and obsessed with the Election that doesn't take place for another .....eleven months?
I'D THINK MORE IMPORTANT TODAY WOULD BE THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION'S ANNOUNCEMENT that they are all but ready to send another 3,000 military to Afghanistan to aid the steady rise in violence. Albeit they haven't a clue where they'll get 3,000 military members! Apparently not from Europe as it sounds like they've had enough with assisting the PEACE KEEPING AND DEMOCRACY BUILDING in the Mid East.
Course this was not news for me. I knew it was only a matter of time/days before George found an excuse to get another fiasco going. Good Ole George. Never a dull moment while he's around eh?
Maybe Americans should be spending more time concentrating on their present (so called) leader instead of yammering about which unqualified Candidate should replace him. NEWS FLASH – He AINT GONE YET – He's Bigger Than Life
And stoking the fires!
If everyone is so concerned about the future direction of their Nation maybe they should spend time making placards for a march in Washington instead of posting, as it looks like DIMWIT may move the election another year or two into the future so he can finish his next battle in the Mid East! (Iran by way of Kandahar)
I'd sure like to get a look at his map.
And Clinton was Impeached by an Intern and Publican Sniffer! Politics in the US are sure mindboggling. No wonder elections take so long!
Oh Gee I'm missing Late Night with David Betterrman....Gotta Run...
voter fraud
obama and paul were cheated
in the precint of sutton it is reported paul got 31 votes, while Sutton reported zero votes for Ron Paul
exit polls shows obama was leading clinton
even the cnn exit polls show them to be tied
why would people lie after they had voted
this is a fraud
check this link
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/010908_widespread_fraud.htm
ask people in illinois what obama has done here. bet they cant give you anything. i think hes spent more time in africa trying to fix their problems than he has in illinois.
I believe in Obama. I defended Bill when Republicans went overboard with that impeachment effort. However, I use to always say that the reason the Republicans hated Bill so much was that he was just as down and dirty as they were and could beat them at their own game.
They deliberately distorted (lied) Obama's record 24 hours before the voting and mailed out flyers suggesting he was NOT pro-choice. And the pundits wonder why "women" turned out for Hillary this time? Well go figure...
For Hillary Clinton to sit there whining about she doesn't want to see the country fall apart, as if she is the only one who can save the country... Well, in Bill's words, GIVE ME A BREAK. In this country of three hundred million people surely there is someone who can run it other than a BUSH OR A CLINTON.
20 years is enough! I want to see a different name behind the word President in 2009.
okay, everyone saying she has all of this experience...WHAT EXPERIENCE DOES SHE HAVE BESIDES BEING THE WIFE OF A PRESIDENT? WHAT HAS SHE DONE AS A SENATOR THAT PEOPLE ARE RAVING ABOUT THAT WOULD TELL ME SHE SHOULD BE PRESIDENT. SHE HAS EVERYONE TOTALLY FOOLED AND I DONT THINK SHE HAS ANY INTEGRITY AND WILL DO WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN AT ANY COST. FRUSTRATED HOUSEWIVES ARE THE ONLY ONES VOTING FOR HER BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY HAVE A VOICE. BUSH WAS SPECIFIC ABOUT THE THINGS HE WAS GOING TO DO AS PRESIDENT AND LOOK HOW THIS COUNTRY TURNED OUT. YOU ALL ARE BEING TOTALLY NAIVE AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND WE NEED SOMEONE NEW, WE DO NOT NEED THE SAME FAMILIES RUNNING THE COUNTRY FOR 20 YEARS.
Hi Joanne,
you say that you don't know where Obama stands on the issues. Well just for you, I searched long and hard and found this interesting little website that explains his stance on ALL of the issues: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ it's quite a fascinating read. Also, I'm pretty sure that if you listen to his 'great speeches' you might learn a bit more about the brilliant ideas he has for this country.
Seriously, people. Don't write off Barack Obama just because a few uninformed people try to portray him in a negative light.
And can someone please explain to me what HRC means when she says that she has had 35 years of experience? Last time I checked, she has only been on the senate since 2000 (No, I don't think being the first lady counts. Sorry). In addition, no one can claim to have the most experience necessary to be the president of the U.S until they have served a term and are looking for re-election (exception to this rule: George W. Bush).
Also, Joanne, my vote for Obama has nothing to do with Hillary's gender (I'm a FEMALE). Instead it is because of a steadfast belief that he truly has the best interests of our country at heart. I know that a woman can run this country, but I also know that Hillary Clinton should not be that woman.
In reference to the article (although this seems redundant), Bill Clinton LIED and Barack Obama decided to explain the truth. Pretty standard stuff. The End.
You bet former President Clinton didn't sound or look very presidential when he bombarded Senator Obama's campaign. I was embarrased for him (President Clinton) because of his grandstanding and proud that Senator Obama reacted in the way that he did.
I just pray that our country will see beyond the tears and anger shown by the Clinton campaign who, in my view, just couldn't stand to be embarrassed by another potential Obama victory.
Obama 08 all the way!!
Thank you Mark!!
why does media hate hillary so much. It is a media hipe.
CAROL,YOU CAN STAY AT HOME ON THE ELECTION DAY IF YOU WANT. I AM AN AFRICAN AMERICAN TOO. OBAMA STARTS ALL THESE MESS WITH THE CLINTON CAMP. HE DID NOT VOTE FOR THE WAR BECAUSE HE WAS NOT IN US SENATE. DON'T CRITISIZE IF YOU DID NOT A STAND. BUT HE IS BEEN PLAYING POLITIC BECAUSE IT FAVORS HIM. HE HAS THE CHANCE TO VOTE IN THE SENATE AGAINST THE IRANIAN GUARDS. NOT HE CHOOSES TO BE CAMPANING KNOWING THAT WAS A CRUCIAL VOTE. HILLARY STOPPED EVERTHING CAME TO THE US SENATE AND TOOK A STAND. HE AGAIN WAS THE FIRST TO HARST ON HER FOR THE VOTE. AMERICAN SOLDIERS ARE DYING IN IRAK. SHE TOOK A STAND TO PRORECT OUR TROOP. OBAMA SAID SHE GAVE THE AUTHORIZATION TO BUSH TO ATTACK IRAK. HE DID NOT VOTE BUT HE IS TALKING ABOUT HIS SUPERIOR JUDGEMENT. WHICH ONE IS HE TALKING ABOUT? HE IS CRITIZED HER FOR TAKING MONEY FROM LOBBY BUT THE CHAIR OF HIS CAMPAGN HIS LOBBY FOR A PHARMACETICAL FIRM. COME ON! BILL CLINTON IS RIGHT. OBAMA NEED TO EXPLAIN HOW HE WILL GET THINGS DONE .I HEARD THE USED OF WORDS. EXPLAIN OR DON'T CRITIZED ANY OTHER CANDIDATS BECAUSE DO IT SO IS AN INVITATION OF SCRUTINIZED YOUR OWN RECORDS.
Obama/Bloomberg 2008
Can't take another 4 yrs of the Clintons' soap opera and the far left wing crazies fighting the far right wingers wackos We remain gridlocked and nothing ever gets done.
Let them argue forever, while we ignore them and move on. We have a lot of work to do.
Look if people do not believe Obama can get things done. They need to look what he accomplished in Iowa and New Hampshire. He helped those people to create a record breaking turnout. If that is not evidence of his abilities, then lets just pick him apart like we have done throughout history to prevent progress in this nation.
This my friends is the establishment at work. As much as people hate to admit it, the good ol' dems are just as vicious as the republicans only they're a little more polished. If this is how the Clinton's continue to campaign against Obama, then he has no chance, b/c he doesn't play as dirty(note that I did not say that he is completely dirt-free). His campaign is about optimism, so if he can't even legitimately respond to attacks without scrutiny and PR problems, then how is going to argue the issues without looking like he is raising his voice with Clinton. It's a no-win and paints a very dark narrative of America today. I'm not saying he's the best candidate, but I'm saying that being unfair and shady DOES pay off.
I few things to consider:
-The behavior of the some of the posters here and their inability to debate in a mature manner should be a concern to the people of this nation considering that they are most likely capable of voting. Scary prospect.
-Who's running, Bill or Hillary?
-If Hillary wins the nomination, Bloomberg will most like run. What then?
[b]-If this election for the Democrats was to find someone truly experienced, they would've voted for Biden or Richardson, not the rock star or the one with name recognition.[/b]
People please educate yourselves before you vote, even if you are strongly behind one candidate, do everyone a favor and thoroughly research all of them instead of coming on this blog and embarassing yourself.
Bill Clinton is truly a disappointment to me, as well as Hillary and to think I admire"d" them. Since Bill wants to sling mud, we still haven't gotten a clear answer as why he didn't take out his buddy(bin Laden) when he had the chance as Commander in Chief. Until Bill can truthfully answer that he needs to take a hike because he is surely a big part of the problems in the mideast, and so is Hillary.
Why isn't the MSM covering the voter fraud. The Diebold machines gave Clinton the win. Obama actually won the election. Just go the BostonNow.com and roguegoverment.com. They did a story on it. They have proof. This election was stolen. The Diebold machines are there to make sure the Establishment gets the White House regardless of our votes.
ABC is backing Clinton. During a PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE someone brings out the fact that people don't like Hillary (remeber the woman vote). Later the MSM reported that she was attacked by Obama and Edwards even though see actually attacked them and Obama did not really respond to her (remember the woman vote). Next, all of a sudden a woman ask Hillary a question that caused her to TEAR UP (remember the woman vote) and immediately afterwards she attacked Obama. Then Fox's newpaper (which backs Hillary) put out a harsh picture of Hillary on the front page along with other media outlets which the CLINTONS have a lot of pull with (remember the woman vote). Next she attacks Obama again (with lies) and Bill attacks Obama (with lies). All of a sudden Hillary comes back with the MAJORITY OF THE WOMAN VOTE. Now if you do research right now you will see there is evidence of VOTER FRAUD right now in New Hampshire. The VOTING MACHINES (Diebold) gave Hillary a 7% advantage over Obama. They have proof that Ron Paul's votes weren't even counted. He actually BEAT Rudy. And to cover there tracks they had to WOMAN who asked Hillary the question say that she voted for Obama. YEAH RIGHT. This is OUR DEMOCRACY that will be stolen from us again. Please do your research. Tell friends and family. The MSM will not report this. Bush is backing Hillary. The MSM is backing Hillary. They need her to WIN. Make a NOTE* Dick Morris (who was Bill Clinton Brain) told Sean Hannity on his show that the Clintons are going to pull a Sister Soulja Moment (look it up) on Obama. This is a stunt that Bill Clinton used to Beat Jesse Jackson. Dick Morris said it will be very subtle. NOW- If you listen to all the PUNDITS today, what are they saying. PEOPLE said they would support Obama during the polls but since this was a private Primary, they voted for Hillary because they did not want to vote for a BLACK MAN. Don't trust me, Look it up for yourself. You tube Fox and look up BostonNow.com and Roguegoverment.com.
Same Ole...Same Ole
Until we are treated equal and fair in every aspect of our agreement to be PEOPLE OF THIS FREE NATION, we will never be able to move forward. Senator Clinton is more criticized negatively for being a woman, seeking the Democratic Presidential nomination than Senator Obama is for being African American for seeking the same nomination..Why?, mainly because of a male dominated upper-tier of businessmen, along with the anti-feminist(most whom are married to these businessmen), where sexism is more noticeable and practiced than racism.
The mistreatment of Senator Clinton by the media, after her loss in Iowa and the very fact that EVERY media branch called her out of the race for the nomination was unfair and misrepresented the journalism that is truly expected by we the people. Stop the one sidedness and you will gain more viewers for longer periods of time, therfore increasing you ratings with dignity and truthfulness. All these male commentators that continue to try to discredit Senator Clinton mainly due to them disagreeing with the former Bill Clinton years and the policies that it held. Well guess what...this is 2008 and time to move on and catch up to modern politics.
Until the media as a whole respects more women in higher-teir business positions such as Senator Clinton and genuinely accept the fact that she EARNED her place in the Senate, we will continue to see this mistreatment. Darn if she does and darn if she doesn't, male candidates challenge other male candidates and they are veiwed as tough on issues, Senator Clinton challenges male candidates, she is considered non womanly or too tough.
In my opinion, I feel the media should educate this group of people to update them on equality and fairness, not just for this election but for life in general.
Ann
"I don't know where Barack Obama stands on the issues"
That can easily be remedied. Go to the Web site:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
You will find a detailed description of Barak's stand on the issues at this site.
Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton = same old, same old
We really do need change and no matter how she tries to sping it, she cannot represent change.
Repugs get the WH courtesy the moronic voters of NH...she and her husband are the sleaziest husband-wife team I have ever seen
fear-war-mongering -check
smear campaigning-check
anti-Obama 527 plants -check(there are many here as I see)
faking the emotions-check
undermining MLKjr-check
WOW America deserves them and later the repugs who'll champion their straight-talk express and laugh all the way to the WH.
Hillary is the most divisive and manipulative candidate...some dems will stay home rather than vote for her.
Even the woman for whom she cried a river and went spewing the agenda instead of answering the question saw her as a phony.
America..be blindsided, conned and tricked in all fashions by your dem candidate
...and repugs congratulations in advance.
See even Mac-boy has lesser baggage than Hillary-LBJ Clinton and he'll go to the WH
All you Hillary supporters, it is not surprising that you complain about Obama not being specific about how he will bring change. Just like your candidate you are lazy. Hillary didn’t do her essential reading before voting for the disastrous war, and now you, her supporters, make up your minds without doing your essential reading. Obama wrote two books and there are pages and pages of information on his website explaining his policies and detailing how he wants to bring change. No wonder less educated folks mainly voted for Hillary – those are the ones unfortunately do not read much. They prefer getting all their information from TV, which constantly fed them a crying Hillary and a lying Bill every minute of the last 24 hours before the voting started. In my opinion, anybody who didn’t oppose this awful war from the very start should not even run for presidency. It is a disgrace.
If you can't take it, don't dish it out Obama. Statements like that are the tip of the iceberg if you are nominated. Rush and Hannity and every local hate jock in America are waiting to unleash thier twisted innuendos and outright lies and as you can see by the posts on here they do work. To the Clinton haters, check and see where he rates amongst US Presidents. Perception versus reality. A few koolaid drinkers assuming everyone thinks like Rush and themselves.
RedSea Foreign National,
I am sure Hillary plant that's what people say(ha!)
Everybody in Germany , Japan and half the western world are fascinated and adulating Obama with fervor and you say the opposite...
You are definitely a Hillary plant...I can see the entire comment has been copied and pasted from a document...
That woman can go to any degree of manipulation...
People...beware....don't believe everything you read...Carville is in their fold and they are running a Karl Rove style smear campaign as is evident from the sleazy remarks made by Bill 'moron' Clinton..Be careful...
dems ...you are giving up the race by going for Hillary Clinton as the polls on CNN show that NH voters are pretty sure that HRC can't beat the three GOP candidates.
a lot of ou are spewing a lot hate towards Obama. making him sound like some dumb airhead that got to where he is jsut on charm like there is no substance to the man. I f that is what ou guys really believe good luck to you. I hope you get exactly what you want.( GOOD OLD DAYS).
I wont say anythign negative about the Clintons because it is not the right thing to do and, I don't want to join this crazyness but I realize a lot of people have ahard time learning from the past. the clintong where great in certain ways but they also hep creat what we have now inthis country a great divide.
I will submit to you if these people come back washing ton will break with partisanship. the republican will go crazy and nothing will get done.
again
if Clinton is in,i am voting republican though I am a dem ...like me you'll lose a whole lot of people dems...congratulations on the achievement....I am a woman and I can see through their collective husband-wife manipulation....
GOP....start prepping for a 3rd consecutive WH run
Obama while in Congress stated 150 times in votes not yes or no but PRESENT. What kind of desivise leader is that. He has been getting a free pass and he needs to answer in a more thruthful way. Is his father Islamic??? What religion is he. let the truth come out NOW. This was not done before Bush was elected and the World paid a wicked price. Question Obama NOW and get the answers.
He did say it before the election. Stay informed! He was asked a question which he answered as he has since BIll started slinging the mud.
News Flash! Bill Clinton lied. Well, DUH! The news flash would be if he told the truth with the intention of conveying accurate information. Both he and Hilary are sociopaths who will say or do anything that furthers their path to power.
The anger toward Barack here is so palpable it's pathetic. It's as though people don't care what he says or why he says it; they are just waiting for him to say SOMETHING so they can pounce. Bill Clinton did twist his words. Barack isn't "whining" when he points this out. He's stating fact. Further, he's defending himself against this misquote. Any reasonable person can see this. The only way you could possibly criticize Barack for his remarks about Clinton's misquote is if you're just some hostie sick-o desperate for a reason, no matter how illegitimate, to spew your bile. Hate on. The rest of us are too busy watching history in the making.
Nobody really knows who will be the best president.
I mean, throughout history, presidents have been elected with the perception they are the best leader at the time. If it was that easy all our past presidents would have all been amazing. All these passionate diatribes are a bit worthless, considering that these candidates cannot prove themselves until they are in the Oval Office making decisions.
A friend of mine and I had a heated debate about the Iraq war a few days after it began in the early years of Bush-dom. I was against it and called Bush many a name at his poor choice to go to war. My friend and I stopped talking for a long time. Last year he saw that I was right, and that the war was started by lies and manipulation/fear.
So remember that your choice right now might not be the best, any way you look at it.
All we can do is vote and pray.
I have been listening to many of Senator Obama's speeches and to all of his sound bites. I am continually left with a question that he has not answered: what is this change of which he speaks? I am all for positive change, but I want to know what the change will be. I have not heard any specifics. At present, I am an independent and I do not favor anyone candidate. Can someone point me to a substantive speech or paper that articulates what this change will be? I do not mean to sound supercilious, but after the election there will certainly be 'change' – President Bush can not run for reelection – so a new cabinet and new directors in the executive will almost certainly be an order of the day. So what is this 'change'? What can I count on? How will it impact my day-to-day life and well-being?
This thing with Hilliary "tearing up" is just one tool that the clinton's can deploy. I do not want the President of this great country tearing up if they are tired, angry or whatever in front of Foreign Presidents, Heads of State or anybody else for that matter. When is the last time Bin Laden teared up that we saw. Her crying in front of the Prime Minister of Britain really paints a picture!! Take a good look at it. It'll really make the rest of the world recognize The United States of America as a formidable foe or a needed friend. GOD BLESS AMERICA
Sorry to see Richardson drop out. He was the only one who doesn't scare me. Oh well, not up to me. Iowans and New Hampshirites decide these things.
Obama, our hopes over here in Europe are with you. Whoever I talk to is on your side.
America Make no mistake.
Do not be deceived.Here is a man who from inception has made clear and clean his intentions.He is not deceptive – step forward,Hillary –.He doesnt play games – step forward,Hillary –.and is not tainted by so-called experience step forward,Hillary –. What else do we want?America.lool no further OBAMA 08.OBAMA forever.
Why is Obama called the outsider and Clinton the insider when they both work at the same place, the US Senate? Obama is already a Washington insider, people, wake up. This stuff about change and status quo is a script ripped off from Bill Clinton's 92 campaign. Do we really know anything about Obama, or are we just mesmerized by his preaching??
Obama was Editor of the Harvard Law Review. Usually, that person then becomes a clerk for a Supreme Court Justice to pad their resume. The fact that he decided to become a Community Organizer in Chicago instead says a lot more than going to work for the Rose Law firm.
Believe me, Bubba and the missus would hire Richard Mellon Scaife and Ken Starr if they could, to unload their arsenal of dirty politics on Senator Obama. Although I have never liked HC, I did like Bill Clinton and voted for him twice. Not likely that I will be voting for Hill. I have never voted republican in my life. I will this time if Hillary is the nominee.
Go Obama!
THE CLINTONS ARE DESPERATE. Hillary Clinton is one of the most unpopular and divisive candidates that the Democratic Party has ever run for President. That the establishment committed to her and the part is being run as an instrumentality of the Clinton machine is itself the reason why many Democrats, Republicans and Independents will vote against the party if they shove the candidacy down the throats of the American people. The only way Hillary can beat OBAMA is if (a) she drives up Obama's negatives close to hers (b) makes naive Americans fear an Obama candidacy (c) we count the votes using DIEbold voting machines (d) they divide up the female and black vote. Hence the reason why we will see in the Clinton Campaign in the coming weeks, as we did in NH, attacks on OBAMA as less than black, too black and as no heir to the throne of RFK and MLK. The Clintons have taken and employed lessons learned from NIXON-BUSH eras and KARL ROVE.
Divide and conquer that's what wrong with the media. This country is tired of the destruction that's going on in our country. I want you guys to know that I love you because WE are one but we are different that what make us so special. I love those who hate by catagories by race or religion because those who not willing to open their minds and hearts to real CHANGE. It coming and you can't stop it
Poor victim Obama. Perhaps he can turn to Oprah for one of her battalions of self-help gurus.
no wonder politicians twist each others words and attack each other all day long. judging by the comments on this board, that seems to be the american way.
those of you who attack each other are a bunch of morons.
the rest of you, who are being objective and who are taking such a great interest in this political race...well god bless you. you will make the right decision no matter who you vote for.
At what time will the press actually 'press' Obama about the details of his plan of change? When will the press get over their star struck response to 'Oprah on the road' and begin the critical thinking process?
I think Americans are so desparate to find great leaders like MLK that they are willing to forego the details and reach for a look alike such as Obama. But then again, he is helping this process. Have you noticed that his speeches are changing? Have you noticed that his pattern of speech has changed? He has assumed some of the patterns of speech of MLK (e.g., waivering at the end of sentence). The pace of the sentencing has changed. AND, Barack Obama is no MLK. What has this guy actually done? He's been a junior senator for two years. And before that, a legislator in IL (where he worked with insurance companies to get his health plan passed). He's no leader so in effect, it's really hard to take him seriously that he could effect change. Actually, the only change he has successfully effected is his ability to emulate in speech one of the greatest speakers of our time. CNN should do a comparative look at Obama's speeches over time. But hey, that would be investigative reporting.
My guts tell me that if serious investigations are made foul play wont be impossible in NH primaries. Even inside the Clinton camps they fear an investigation will sink their campaigns.
To Carey Gister
The writing is on the wall. Go to Obama's website, click on Issues. He has outlined all of his positions and intentions. He has disclosed everything. He talks about transparency....all you have to do is type in http://www.barackobama.com, click on issues, and read.
While we all want change, IS NOW the time to put a Mr Obama, a 2 yr Senator in charge of the White House and the mess created? We need action, not words! Perhaps at a time when things aren't quite so critical would be a better time to experiment with his ideas, in 4-8 years into the future... NOW IS NOT THE TIME.
After reading the above post I now understand why we have en Electoral College. When it was created the cheif reason was becuase the American Public, at the time, was "to Ignorant to make an edjucated vote". After reading these other post it seems that nothing has changed the American Public is ignorant. That is why this country is going to fail. The poor get poorer and the rich get richer. We are turning into exactly what we faught against in the American Rev. and it is sickening. You all make me sick
Let me quote the brilliant late George Burns. "How come everyone who knows how to run the country is busy either driving cabs or cutting hair?"
America, wake up and smell the polluted political ploys. Obama is the "straw candidate", out wooing votes with his Vaudvillian act of "change". He wants to take the votes from people who have more savvy and savoir-faire on the world stage of international politics. Do you think other countries are going to take this song and dance man seriously? But seriously, folks... Get a grip. This guy is obviously delusional.
The French have a saying, "plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose." Translated, "the more things change, the more things remain the change." Hilliary is the right choice, the right candidate, the perfect candidate, the only candidate.
Will someone open America's eyes about this cartoon character they call "Obama", and I hate to say it, it almost rhymes with "Osama". Send in the hook and get this guy offstage, he does not belong on the world stage of politics. As a senator, he's fine, but he is not presidential material.
Hiliary rocks! Go girl go.
A little fact checking here ... please ...
1. The accusation that Obama's campaign manager is a lobbyist ... that is true ... BUY here is the big but: he is a state lobbyist and since he is not a resident of NH he can have no influence over his office ... However Obama will not take money from National lobbyists and from PAC's and that is true which is unlike the Clinton campaign who does ... John Edwards is playing a little semantic game with his no lobbyist money since trial lawyers are an interest group who do have a national influence ...
2. As stated above Obama DID answer Bill Clinton's allegations in a factual calm and respectful manner.
3. The swfit-boat techniques that the Clinton's and their operatives are using are at best reprehensible at worst unethical and they demonstrate a cynical regard for the country and constitution they profess to care about.
I was a single mother in the 90's I do not remember that time as being pleasant the Clitnon's brought us a failed health care (something she highlights as her experience) a stupid don't ask don't tell law and a ridiculous form of animosity after he caused Democrats to loose both houses of congress ...
Obama has experience and I am voitng for him because I am sick of this dynastic assumption by the Clinton's. I am angered by his lying about his affair not on moral grounds just on stupid grounds ... and I am concerned about what happened to the women left in his wake ... If Mrs Clinton was a feminist as she professes she would have left him ... especially because he trashed other women. I learned early on now that I am a professional that women ought not cry we have to be twice as strong blah blah blah to do what she did denigrates professional women everywhere .... and who can possibly believe she entertains herself cleaning closets? Please ...
I am sick of the Clinton's ... I am sick of the Bush's ... and to see bill hanging out with george senior was horrific ... I do not see Jimmy Carter doing that.
Barack obama reperesents a wonderful change, with fabulous policies finally a president has an education policy that I can agree with that focuses on critical thought and not on standardized testing and measurement (which is a large corporate enterprise and measures nothing but the question on the test) ... Here is a man with well thought out policies for the good of all Americans and I completely and totally will give him every ounce of my support
Unbelievable.
There are actually idiots out there that would not vote for Barack because he refuses to wear a lapel pin that proves his has become synonymous with false patriotism?
What a world.
George W. Bush wears an American flag lapel pin and is the most anti-American person I have ever seen.
I really wish some of you people would sit back and re-read some of your irrational statements. Imagine these statements coming from someone else, and how you would tar and feather that person for their views.
The fact of the matter is that Obama (whom I have not decided to support as of this moment) is as viable an option as Hillary Clinton. You can pick your poison here.... the Repug hate machine will do its best to Swiftboat either of them in the general election, just as they lied about John Kerry in 2004.
My recommendation is to stop the petty bickering and have conversations of substance. The true difference between Obama and Clinton in terms of policy is slim... in fact, both are too far to the right for me to perceive that either is truly a progressive candidate. But either represents a massive improvement over the current regime, and is a far better choice than the collection of neocons and the cluless running on the Repug side.
In case you haven't noticed, we are still involved in an illegal war and occupation, the economy is tanking, and your civil liberties are being chipped away on a daily basis. Do we really want to piss and moan over who is a more viable candidate?
Unbelievable.
There are actually idiots out there that would not vote for Barack because he refuses to wear a lapel pin that has become synonymous with false patriotism?
What a world.
George W. Bush wears an American flag lapel pin and is the most anti-American person I have ever seen.
I really wish some of you people would sit back and re-read some of your irrational statements. Imagine these statements coming from someone else, and how you would tar and feather that person for their views.
The fact of the matter is that Obama (whom I have not decided to support as of this moment) is as viable an option as Hillary Clinton. You can pick your poison here…. the Repug hate machine will do its best to Swiftboat either of them in the general election, just as they lied about John Kerry in 2004.
My recommendation is to stop the petty bickering and have conversations of substance. The true difference between Obama and Clinton in terms of policy is slim… in fact, both are too far to the right for me to perceive that either is truly a progressive candidate. But either represents a massive improvement over the current regime, and is a far better choice than the collection of neocons and the cluless running on the Repug side.
In case you haven't noticed, we are still involved in an illegal war and occupation, the economy is tanking, and your civil liberties are being chipped away on a daily basis. Do we really want to piss and moan over who is a more viable candidate?
Gee, is it possible Obma just learned that what he says today and what he did yesterday, had better match up?
Obama claims to be the canidate for change, well, what change does he think that he can achieve by butting heads with Washington? Change in Washington comes from within not from with out and true change can only be accomplished if voters put people in Congress that are for change, want change and are wlling to put polictic party affilation aside, ignore the Washington Lobbists and actually, work together.
Now, it's really easy to say that I would not have voted to give Gerorge W Bush the authority to use military force if diplomatic efforts failed to gain the desired results, which in fact was what Congess voted on. Congress never did nor has cast a vote saying gee lets go to war with anyone since WWII, and yes that should be a major point. It should be pointed out that the vast and I mean vast majority of the people of the United States were in favor of giving the President a green light as to the use of military force at the time. But I will also point out that that was contingent on a real diplomatic effort to resolve differences with the Iraqi government and their WMD program. I will also point out that at this time Saddam had all ready gotten rid of his WMD programs, inspectors could not find the programs and the main reason Saddam maintained the facade was not to slap the Bush adminstration in the face, but to maintain the illusion with Iran, that Iraq had WMD. This then in Saddam's veiew was necessary to keep Iran from invading Iraq and continuing the Iraq/Iran war which Iraq had earlier came out on a shaky top of through the use of Chemical weapons. It is also this very point that created a situation in Iran, making them think they needed a nuclear weapons program to protect their nation, not from the United States, but from Iraq and their Chemical weapons.
Needless to say, the situation is a little more complicated that it is made out to be, and it is by no means resolved today. I was not in favor of the War. Not because I liked the Iraqi government, but because I can not as an American veteran, support the invasion of a foreign nation that does not pose a threat to the United States and even at that I can not and will not ever support a preemptive strike against a nation that has not done harm to me. In addition, like it or not Iraq was playing a very important role in the region, that is it was still a matter of checks and balances between Iraq and Iran. Call it stability through mutial threat.
Now if Senator Obama is truley set in stopping the military actions within Iraq, then as a member of Congress he can change things up and deny military funding. Once again this is not going to happen, but it sounds good. I need Senator Obama to demonstrate taht he is capable of wading through the vast complexities of international realtions and make a reasonable and rational assement of the situation. We have tried foreign politicy at the hip and this is where it has gotten us today.
One can talk about change all day long until they are blue in the face and that does not bring about change. So what I would like to see from Senator Obama if he is the canidate of change, is what changes does he think he could acheive and what is his plan to bring them about. I don't want words, words are way to easy to come by, I want to see a plan, I want specfics. How does he intend to get rid of lobbist, how does he intend to make the peace in Iraq, how does he intend to bring bin Laden to trial, how does he intend to put America back in its place as a "respected" world leader, how does he intend to get medical care to Americans, how does he intend to bring good paying jobs back to Americans, how does he intend to address the situation of "illegal" foreign nationals, how does he intend to address a system that no longer is there for the people but for the few donors that control the halls of Congress and the White House, how does he intend to represent the people of the United States and not a political party platform that only represents the views of those on the National Committee.
Obama looks good, when it serves his purpose he speaks very good, but looks and talk only go so far. Lets fill in the rest Who, What, Where, How and When. I really want specifics, talk is cheap, and politicians talk alot.
To Carey Gister:
Great Question, and you are not haughty in your tone whatsoever. I would recommend going to Senator Obama's website. It's a very user friendly site that draws out his plans for "change". He outlines all of his strategies pertaining to healthcare, the war, the economy, civil liberties, etc. It's all spelled out there. Most of the candidates have websites that outline ideas and courses of action. Senator Obama's site provides detail as to what he proposes he will push for and how he believes the policies, he believes in, can take course.
Additionally, one can state a case that we haven't heard much policy "substance" from any of the Dem candidates. Most of the "detail" or "beef" we are hearing centers around healthcare. I do hope that the candidates will expand to other areas as healthcare is not the only issue.
But again, the websites are a good source. Plus, I believe we will hear much more detail in the coming weeks leading up to Feb 5. I do hope that you will get the information you need and that it answers any questions you undoubtedly have.
I would also recommend looking at each candidates participation in the Senate. (I realize I'm narrowing the field to Clinton, Obama and Edwards) I feel it's important to see what each one is doing. Specifically, each one is committed to various Committees that aim to propose and ultimately implement policies to help enrich whether it be taxes, healthcare, our relationships abroad, etc. I hope this helps.
I don't think Obama is playing the victim at all. He is simply addressing what he feels is an inaccuracy that is being repeated about him. I have to say as a someone who has always felt connected to Bill Clinton I am having a hard time connecting to the Bill Clinton that I see on the campaign trail. When Hillary was down he was blaming everyone under the sun. It was very strange to see him like that.
Thank you New Hampshire. Your state stands as the guardian of decency and fairness. Your light has shone the way forward for America.
Obama says he fundamentally opposed the war but funds it over and over and over again and Bill Clinton is twisting his words. How?
Obama says he "No lobbyists in my White House". But it's okay for them to co-chair his campaign to get to the White House and it's okay for them to help him purchase his house.
You people are just setting yourself up for a huge disappointment if you actually believe Obama is as squeaky clean as he wants people to believe.
Obama detracters are one or more of the following categories: 1) too racist to stand a black man as our leader, 2) too zionist to change our / israeli immoral policies in middle east, 3) dumb enough to vote any day for anyone who claims to have a direct line with "God", 4) too greedy to admit they can use their money for common good like Oprah and others have done, etc....
Obama supporters: please let Obama know that
Rick- no one has to listen to you. Same way I think there are idiots like yourself who are living in fairy land. People this is free country...vote who you want to vote. DOn't worry about obama staffers who are all over this board writing lenghty message and belittling Hillary.
As a NH resident, "Glad they are gone now" I do have one thing to say. Why the hoopla about Ms. Clinton winning here? She and Mr. Obama split EVENLY the delegate vote. Sure it sounds great to say she won and that might give her a boost, but if things go as thy are now, it will be a brokered convension.
(continue from the previous comment of mine that got posted prematurely by mistake)
OBAMA NEEDS TO ARTICULATE THE SUBSTANCE OF THE CHANGE he's talking about in his daily media comments. it's not easy to do in soundbites, but he must find ways to get some specifics across to the voters during his precious mass media exposure.
there is NO other way to convince the genuinely concerned voters who are his best potential supporters.
Bill Clinton took liberties with Barack Hussein Obama's words? Did he make it sound as Obama actually said something?
People dont be fooled, Obama was right and he is right.
He was right to go against the war.
He was right to vote for funding, obviously he cares about the troops thats why he voted for the funding.
If Obama refused to vote for the troops that clearly will show that as a Presidential Candidate, he really dont care if the troops got what they need to fight a senseless war
He is against the war, but he cannot stop it bcos he is not president, so he agreed to let the soldiers have what they need, that is what the funding is for, food, weapons, protection, vehicles and so on whilst they are on their missions.
That game Bill is playing is stupid, as I see it, Bill is causing Hillary to lose, who knows, this might be a setup for Barack Obama to win too, I have checked Hillary's YouTube profile page and nothing there is convincing she wants the presidency, most videos on the main page are showing Obama is the man, actually i think he is too.
I am looking forward to Obama/Edwards 2008 General Election.
Here in barbados, our elections is on Jan 15th 2008.
God Bless You America
Funny, how people are complaining about Obama use of the word change while at the same time EVERY presidential candidate in each party has jumped on his "change" bandwagon.
PS. being the first lady doesn't equate to more experience.
I went on the internet and read an interesting article. See for yourself. THE ASTUTE BLOGGERS : JAN>7,2008 "OBAMA< THE COWARDLY LIAR"
EXPERIENCE? how many sworn in presidents had experience before?
Experience is just something to add to a resume, its about who can get the job done.
I have seen more school leavers working better than many people who were on the job for more than 5 years.
i worked as a medical records clerk for a year and was asked to stay on because i worked better than the ladies who were on for like 15 years and more, so what experience has to do with it?
experience is just a resume catch, education and common sense to make decisions are what makes one noble.
lol experience also is what have soldiers in war today so please refrain on the experience issue.
It is what it is.
That's why Barack's head is spinning.
By their words you shall know them.
Barack said he was against the war in 2004 after the WMD canard was proven false. He still said his policy would match that of Dubya. If President CLinton points that out then it is a lie? Obama supporters have a hangup over what the emaning of "is" really is, it would appear so.
Never mind he has no statements against the war from '02 or '03 to share with people. He ran as a Scoop Jackson Democrat, a war hawk, to get where he is. The Chicago School of foreign policy is where his backing comes from, home of the neocons.
Bush was the change candidate, he radically changed America's direction, Barack is a stay the course guy. He's already talken Bush's unpopular mantle of radical Social Security reform. He's taken the advisory shortcomings of Colin Powell to heart. He's for continued occupation, the Hundred Year's War that John McCain loves so dearly.
Those young voters better get ready for a draft. If we stay with Iraq occupation levels to even a moderate size we'll have to either close bases in NATO and SEATO(which would further hinder the supply chain) or we'll have to initiate a draft.
Draft Obama = Obama Draft.
Those young voters are certainly pro draft...
I've check out Mr. Obama's record as state legislator, and it's distinctly unimpressive in terms of leadership. What jumps out, frankly, is that he IS a waffler.
Interesting that his persona differs from his real voting actions.
He seemed to be a lackluster fellow in terms of real action.
Carie – Why don't you check out Barack Obama's website? It's got tons of specifics about his plans for the future.
Obama ;you are destroying any chance of ensuring a democratic president for 2008. Please step aside and let Hillary, an experienced, proven candidate who is just as smart as you if not smarter move this country in the direction it must go- if you were smart you'd work with her and ensure an opportunity for 2012, but this way you can forget any real chance of becoming preseident ever!
Discussing politics yesterday with my neigbours brought out some things i never thought about. My neigbour was of the view that Obama's native country is in turmoil and that he should have gone there to contest for the Presidency and help move that nation forward instead of spending more than a year to win the ticket for his party here.
In a funny twist of fate i avtually thought about this and was suprised that the mighty America can't find anybody to be its President that it has to turn to the Black world (once touted by them as Bush / Uncivilised and babaric) Africa – Kenya to give them a President.
Obama is not an African-American whose roots are entrenched in Slavery and passing through the activism period. This is a man who is a first generation emigrant of the 20th century.
All hail Africa the motherland. Americans should henceforth respect and salute any African anywhere they meet them. Henceforth all forms of unciviclised manners of looking at Africa as a bush continent must cease. after all that continent is lending us one of their own to rule them
it is a time for change , time for the clintons to leave, lets take a chance on someone different . we will get the same old stuff from the clintons. I lets get some new ideas, fresh young ideas. also the tears were planned, Im not nieve she was told ,you have to show some emotion and her timing was cunning the day before the primaries! well you get what you vote for Bill clintonwill cheat again and embarrass the American people we will once again have a scandle in the white house, why take that chance, I truly believe out withe the old over 60 presidents, hillary is from a different generation and she repeats everything Obama says he says change, she says change, if you listen carefully she almost quotes him word for word, and she still uses the word I, I I this is a personal victory NOT for the American people , but for her, and her husband he got kicked out the whitehouse, it should be a law once your kicked out ,you cant come back in, the other countries are probably laughing at us for picking a woman to even try to run the white house,I cant see her dueling wtih osama bin laden or the president if Iran? tell hillary to go home and cook. It makes our country look weak. Im democratic and would vote republican before I vote for a woman, even the Bible says God put man over a woman.
I choke everytime I hear Hillary mention "experience"! The only experience I can see is that of being the victim of a lying, cheating amoral husband. Until she speaks of that which she knows, I have no use for her. Please stop embarassing yourself Hil, your non-experience is showing!
The Clinton's in office behaved as if they had just came out of the "Hills". I forgot they did...Hillary should have tossed the Pervert years ago. By her staying only shows they are both sick people and need extensive therapy. Is that the kind of person we want to run our country? Don't forget that if Bill Clinton had done something about the terrorist while he was in office, we would not have had 9-11 and we would not have had to clean up Afganastan and Iraq. Obama has promised he would not shame the U.S.A. Can Hillary say the same thing?
did Barack say in a 2004 speech that he does not know how he would have voted on the senate resolution supporting bush's incursion into Iraq, as bill clilnnton has said....and has that speech been removed from barack's web site?
Anyone that believes anything Bill Clinton says is a fool! Bill always lies and Hillary always spears to it!
I have not decided who I will support or endorse for this upcoming Presidential election yet, be it Democrat or Republican. I am entirely pissed off at the Imperial posturing of George Jr. I however did support his Dad in both of his presidential bids. Obama todate is an interesting and appealing candidate solely because he represents generational change in National Politics. He has about as much experience at this point in his career on the national level as Bill [ 'I never had sex with that women'] Clinton when he ran for the Presidency. If you look at all the missteps that administration had during their eight years. It reads like a comedy novel. Yet learning in office, Bill[ don't ask , don't tell'] Clinton surrounded himself with some good people, as Presidents tend to do and letft office with a positive legacy of seeing the budget balance. [ sorry Newt]. As a former President he should hold himself above the fracas and not engage in partisan politics. What turns me completely off about Hillary[ after her tearful shameless whining ] after Iowa is that now I have a pretty good idea of who will be shaping her policies if elected President. Enough of the Clinton's- Enough of the Bush's. Enough of the Reaganesh 'trickle down' bull manure. The World around us has changed. It is time for this country to change. Obama has not proved in my mind yet that he has the 'hupsa' [phonetic spelling -forgive me], but he is getting it right about what the American people; I think ,want. The next President will be an agent of change regardless of who ultimately is elected. Let's all pray it's not Hillary. God, please bless America.
i see that donna brazzile and michael erik dyson (professor at Georgetown University )have started to bring out the race card since obama's loss. is this what we have to look forward to whenever he loses a primary? hillary didn't play the gender card when she lost iowa
I have not decided who I will support or endorse for this upcoming Presidential election yet, be it Democrat or Republican. I am entirely pissed off at the Imperial posturing of George Jr. I however did support his Dad in both of his presidential bids. Obama to date is an interesting and appealing candidate solely because he represents generational change in National Politics. He has about as much experience at this point in his career on the national level as Bill [ 'I never had sex with that women'] Clinton when he ran for the Presidency. If you look at all the missteps that administration had during their eight years. It reads like a comedy novel. Yet learning in office, Bill[ don't ask , don't tell'] Clinton surrounded himself with some good people, as Presidents tend to do and letft office with a positive legacy of seeing the budget balance. [ sorry Newt]. As a former President he should hold himself above the fracas and not engage in partisan politics. What turns me completely off about Hillary[ after her tearful shameless whining ] after Iowa is that now I have a pretty good idea of who will be shaping her policies if elected President. Enough of the Clinton's- Enough of the Bush's. Enough of the Reaganesh 'trickle down' bull manure. The World around us has changed. It is time for this country to change. Obama has not proved in my mind yet that he has the 'hupsa' [phonetic spelling -forgive me], but he is getting it right about what the American people; I think ,want. The next President will be an agent of change regardless of who ultimately is elected. Let's all pray it's not Hillary. God, please bless America.
I believe the campaign being waged by the Clinton's against Sen. Obama has been very low class, and to be honest, disgraceful. I hope most people around the country will examine their slashing the most energizing candidate we have had in years. Go OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just like the woman who asked the question of Hillary I had more respect for her before the tears. I was leaning toward Obama but now I am sure. I saw the tears of desperation and Bills rants confirmed the desperation. If you are a person of emotion it shows always not just when things are not moving in your favor. If I went for a job interview and the employer told me it was not going well, I don't think tears would make the situation any better.
As far as Obama is concerned:
Why would anyone think that any one other person can solve all there problems? If you listen to all the candidates Obama is the only one constantly saying we. He says that because although he will be the one leading the charge from Washington, it will take all Americans to push for change in America. What he can do for us is stay truthful and resist corporate influence as opposition to change. What we can do is replace those who are roadblocks and stay involved in the process.
All of this flap about who said what, when, to who and what is – is is ridiculous. All of the Dem hopefuls are in the tank with big money (and they want even more). The only difference is Hillary and Edwards already have theirs and Obama is still trying to make his on the backs of minorities and white elite pseudo intelligencia yuppies whose parents started the 60's dope rebellion and are still on the stuff and living in the past.
What we need now is a mature clear thinking President like Romney who can keep our economy in the black and the jihadists out of our malls.
Think about it folks–what exactly have the Dems done for this country and where would we be if they had been in the executive seat on 9-11?
I rest my case. JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION.
OBAMA didn't lose anything in New Hampshire. This race is now a DEAD HEAT. I think CNN and all the other major media have failed the American people by not explaining the true outcome of the New Hamphire primary, Hillary and Obama won the same amount of electoral delegates(9). I say this because most people don't understand that the nominee will be decided by how many delegates received and not how many popular votes they received. All you have to do is look back to both the 200 and 2004 elections and remeber the the Democrats lose by the ELECTORAL votes.
I am an African American and very proud that Barack Obama has consistently taken the high road and not let the Clinton's drag him down to their negative tactics.
For all those criticizing him saying he hasn't been specific on his details of how he would CHANGE America then go to this website where he is specfic on every issue: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
He hasn't been specific intentionally because on most ocassions, specifically the debates you only get a few moments to make a response. He has asked that you go to his site and read in detail all of his plans on such issues as: Education, the Economy, Healthcare, Immigration, Jobs, Iraq, Foreign Relations, Environment, and the National Debt. He has a specific plan for everything and it lays out how everything will be paid for, etc.
Why is Obama getting so defense about Bill's statements? As a matter of record, most Democrats were TOTALLY against the whole Iraq situation that Bush put us in from the jump. But once it was clear that we were going to be there for a while, all sides tried to make the best of the situation. Then of course Bush started blackballing folks who had anything negative to say about the war at one point, so while once again both sides had to hold some of the true feelings in. As we got later on down the line, people were able to speak out freely against it without fear of previous repercussions. At the end of the day, Obama ended up having the same stance as every other Democrat about being in Iraq, and though Hilary was more vocal about it, she still had reservations about the way we got involved in it but understood that once we got in so deep (thanks to Bush), we might as well support it and make sure the troops are taken care of.
Why do you people, your republicans and cemoctats, know that OBAMA is a MUSLIM plant. This should be as plain as the nose on your face.
For God's sake...Do somehting about this. Heaven forbid this should put CLINTON in a winning positin, but maybe aq good American is in the background that coulde step up and save the Democrats.
I am a staunch Repubilcan...
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To the lady who said she doesn't need an angry ex president, well it appears you do because you are not listening. The American people do not want the war. I have never supported the war. Many have based their support on the falsified intelligent reports. The fact remains that Obama voted for the appropriations in 2004, 2005, 2006. That is a supporter. The military budget is great the soldiers would not of been left without support especially if we were to pull them out like the majority of the American people demanded in our last election. This is wishy washy, politics at its best. To say one thing but vote another. We are smarter than this. He says no more but does the same old Washinton shuffle.
Experience does not make you good at a job or qualified for a more demanding job. I can say I have 60 years experience eating: does that make me qualified to be a dietician? I don't think so. Experience only says you have done something for a long time, not that you have done that something well or know what you are doing. That said, forgive me for not being impressed with HRC's experience. Then you must ask what experience is she talking about? Bimbo squad management? Travel Office control? Trading cattle futures? Hiding subpoened documents? Perhaps even covering up more heinous crimes. And you women: some of you sound as if you would vote for the Devil if he put on a skirt and shed a tear or two. Do you truly want someone JUST BECAUSE they are the same gender as you? What about thinking for a change, or is that too much to ask? But I can say one thing I do believe: The Clintons will put that uppity black boy in his place (back of the line). Maybe they will let him pick up the trash on the White House Lawn . That is where it seems many here think he belongs. Go Hillary Go. That is not a cheer; I am encouraging her to go.
Not to get off topic but I need to ask everyone here a question. 2 days before the primary in NH, did anyone but myself notice what Bill Clinton stated during a live interview? Bill Clinton said Quote:"Were not worried about the NH vote, we already have it in the bag, we already won." Also be aware that he said this while he was somwhat off camera meaning he was walking to the right side and you could hear his voice when this was stated. The reason I bring this up is for 2 simple facts. #1 if this were for the presidency meaning the final vote, it may be passed off as a simple statement BUT being that Clinton in every poll was double digets behind Obama I found this a bit "strange" that Clinton himself had the arrogance to even make a comment like that when every other comment he had made was a speach to prepare for his Hillary loss. #2 if this indeed were a final vote say between Hillary and say McCain or Rudy or Romney, and they were caught saying that it is fare to say that the Clintons would indeed feed off of a statment of such as a complete setup, faulty voting system, rigged and would demand a congressional investigation based off a comment like that. I am not anti Clinton by any means, so dont go pointing the finger and using that as an excuse. I would point this out no matter what candidate it was.
On the Obama issue, look for the Clintons to attack his church record, Trinity United Church of Christ with it's (Black Value System) happens to be one of the most racist groups out there. Even though Pastor Wright has be asked by Obama to seperate himself from him on issues, the churchs mission statement is going to be what gets him. Do you wonder why he talked about direct talks with Iran? Look into his "Church" and you will find out. This place is anti semetic along with preaching the "white man is a devil" theory. Democrats need to re focus themselves with what a true democrat is and get away from the "lefty" label that the party has put on itself. FDR would not be a democrat in todays defanition if anyone would look back in history. In fact, he would run more along the lines of an independant/republican if anything. If democrats want to make change, we need to start with our own party beofre we can convince the people and let them down as is going to happen with any of the candidates running today.
I' SURE BE GLAD WHEN ALL THIS GARBAGE IS OVER IN 11 MONTHS!!!!
A president can only do so much, congress holds the money reins and who ever controls the money controls everything else, If congress allows a president to do certain things then you can bet it's in the best interest of congress and It does not matter who is president.
Who ever is elected is willing to be a puppet, take the heat and retire after four years with a good retirement income.
Besides, in four years the U.N. will be not only running America but the whole world under a New World Order and a One World Government controlled by the socialists/ freemason/zionist alliance.
And your job will be filled by an illegal immigrant, you know, the undocumented workers.........so vote wisely folk's. Not only for president but also for those other jerks!
I like Fred!!!!
Jeff, you must hate George Washington, JFK and countless others also. They all had affairs and immoral Leadership. We were a lot better off when Bill Clinton was in office than now in every aspect. His morals were bad but many presidents have done that, they just didn't have Ken Star trying to make a career off of them.
Bobby W Rochester: First it is nobody's business whom the president sleeps with or what he does personally. our Country was better off with Bill in Office then we are now. George WAshington, JFK did the same sleeping around. WEre they bad Presidents. Besides he isn't running, Hillary is. There are a million reasons from religion, to lack of experience for Obama not to be elected. Everyone should pray he doesn't get in or America will move backwards.
I pray Edwards Stays in not only do I think he would make a fine President, but as long as he is splitting the Obama Vote I couldn't be happier.
Angry American: Ditto that, why would anyone who is truly a christian insist on swearing in on the Koran instead of the bible. The third anit-christ will be the UN and all they need is a Muslim in charge of the United States of AMerica.
I think all the people blathering about how Hillary can "unite" people, and can "sway the republicans" to her side are really not looking at the whole picture here. The Republicans HATE Hillary, and to an enormous extent, Bill. They spent the entire 8 years of Bill's presidency doing everything they could to stymie the administration, block progress, appoint prosecutors, open investigations, belittle, beleaguer, and otherwise halt anything progressive. Yes, he was flawed in his personal life, you bet'cha, but the sheer amount of blocking above and beyond his err, personal issues, was astonishing. Hillary was a large focus of all the above, just as much as Bill.
Now Karl Rove is supporting her... Hugely transparent.
Again, the Republicans are wetting their pants at the idea of having Hillary to kick around. Daschle said Obama is a "clean slate" – Hillary is not.
Think about it, who do the republicans MOST want to see get the nomination, and who do they have the most "dirt" (made up or real) on?
Hillary…
What, in the WORLD, makes you think that someone as universally disliked across the aisle, not to mention her extremely high negatives across the country in the electorate, could ever, in a million years, get anything done with all the obstacles that will be put in her way, all the genuine loathing that they feel for her, etc.?
I'm sure she'd be a fine President, in a better world – But we don't live in a better world, and they're not suddenly going to give up hating her if she wins.
Yes, Republicans like to stymie ALL Democrats (probably even Obama), and the reverse is just as true, but there's a particularly hungry loathing for the Clintons'. NOTHING will get done, just more insults, more partisanship, more abuse, more finger pointing, more blocking things just because... I cringe at the thought.
At least Obama has quite a bit of respect across the aisle. Of all the folks running, when looked at realistically, he's the only one I think COULD reach out, and with that quiet, but firm voice, get the opposition to "go along"...
It scares me to think of another 4 or 8 years with all the partisan, angry, hatred of "gotta get the Clintons'" no matter what happens to the rest of the country in the meantime.
Hooray for comments where people start to actually question Mr. Obama. Now if the media would actually start to question him! Oh, and Senator Obama, have some respect...refer to the man as President Clinton. All of our previous Presidents are referred to as President and treated with respect, I see no reason that President Clinton should be treated otherwise by you.
In all honesty not in support of Hillary Clinton but she has been around politics for over 30+years, She was involved with politics way back with watergate. While her husband was president she lobbied diligently for National Health Care. As an Insurance person, involved in the insurance industry, at the time, I know she was confronted by great opposition from Both the Insurance and Medical industries. She did not get everything she would have liked but she did get the Industry to make a lot of concessions which is leading the way today for a more equitable National Health Program to provide coverage for the many of needy uninsured families in our country. If you are going to slam Bill about his indiscretions than lets not forget about Obama's admitted heavy drug use. Not just a little pot smoking. Whether it be as a young, teenager, college student or whenever it still puts into question his judgements. These were still illegal substances and it doesn't matter what the times are. This is a person vying for the highest office in our country who has the ability to launch wars, push bottons, etc. We don't want him to have a misjudgement or maybe a hallucination from one of his past drug experiences and make some drastic mistakes. He cannot just come in and say present! He will have to make very difficult decisions and I question his maturity as well as his experience. He has shown his great abilities as an orator but this country needs more than someone who will show us the promise land. We need a leader who will actually lead us in making the difficult choices. National Health Care, Education for all, Social Security and the ability to have a place to live. This may sound Socialistic but Capitalism can work in a Democratic society that reackonizes that there are needs by the Government for implementing programs that help all. I believe Abraham Lincoln once said that is the responsibility of the government to due for the people in which the people cannot do for themselves. Nobody was calling him a Socialist. So lets quite the name calling look at the facts not the subjectivity that have echoed through out Washington for way to long.
I look at all the comments and see that most of the people who are giving comments are from the incest south. Hillary is a divider she told the America people to vote for her because she is a woman. A president should not run because she is woman, but want change in this country. Where do the clintons get off telling Obama to wait his turn, that is the most racist thing to say in America today. Clinton labeled as the first black president but there were still a high number of murders in the black community and let not forget rwanda. America is still as stupid as the world see us. We voted for Bush and look at us now. Hillary was never president so let get this out of our heads now , she was first lady and if she was strong she would have not voted for the war.
January 9, 2008 11:42 pm ET
(I believe the correct protocol is to address a former President as President Clinton or President Bush, etc. I feel that addressing President Clinton as
Bill Clinton is disrespectful and demeaning and projects an air of arrogance.)
Respect has to be earned! Don't you think he demeaned him self with his escapades.? Oh, excuse me he never inhaled and he never slept with that Woman,
Oh, it is all coming back to me now it was a right wing conspiracy according to Hillary.
As a Grandmother I like some body my Grandchildren can look up to and the Clinton's are not it.
Don't forget People died around them and went to ch ail for them, they are ruthless
power hungry People without any scruples.
I believe I can live without the Clinton experience.
Here is what I want from an new President,.put the American citizen first.! I do not want to pay for the illegals healthcare, education, ch ail stay and on and on..
Committing a crime should never be applauded, but we do if we close our eyes
and rewarding with Visa's.
Health records and a criminal check should be mandatory before entering this country.
Fix health care, taxes, social security and stop wasting the tax payers Money.
Who will that be, smile:)
Just the politics of the Clinton's attack machine. Bill goes on the attack now, HRC crys and plays the victim. Bill will lie about Obama (Hillary will lie about being the victim) and the older women eat it up because they can identify with having been abused by a man in their life.
I read the statements made by Obama, they were taken way out of context by Bill Clinton and spun. If there were any fairy tails it came from Bill Clinton. yet people would rather be taken in by this nonsense again. No change, just the same old Clinton Politics. Lie with a straight face, the worse the lie the more indignant they get.
(I Did not have sex with that woman!)
Yet the twisters are expected to lead the United States of America? As they twisted their way through NAFTA, Osama Bin Laden, Terrorism, destroying the military.
ANYONE BUT HILLARY '08
Julie, I think was way out of line. Very descriminating. Leave your racist views at home, I don't think real AMericans want to hear that kind of talk. " Who needs experience"' usually comes from somebody who neither has any or is looking for something for nothing. The reference about Clinton towards Obama is the most unintelligent remark somebody could make. Mr. Obama is an intelligent person which is less than I could say about you Ma' am. Both the Clintons have a very favorable record when it comes to helping the underpriviledged. Who made you the judge and jury when it comes to the Clintons past legal issues. I for one have enough faith in our legal systems, not to mention all the scrutiny that one is put under when running for the highest office of the Land. These two lives have been disected under a mico scope. Personally who needs it!!! Is it possible that they do believe in the AMerican system, that this country is and always will be great, that they are willng to dedicate their entire adult lives to the common good and the people of this great Nation to try and make it better for all its citizens. No Ma' am what sacrifices have you made or are you willing to make for your country beside some childistic rambling and crying. Yes, it is easy to critize and in some cases criticism is warrented. Hillary is a Politician who is trying to make a difference. But regardless who is nominated the change will not take place with out the more than majority of Democratics being elected to both of the houses. The Republicans have had controll for to many years and yes I too have voted for this party in past elections gone by. But the party for the People, as I see it, is the Democratic Party as it stands today. I thank all those candidates who are giving their best and give thanks to God that we live in a Democratic society.
Obama and Oprah – cut the phoney ethnic tone and style in your speeches. You are not JFK or Martin Luther King – they have already been their and done that.
Oprah – you are not from South Africa – and yet you have developed their accent when you are interviewed there.
Poor Poor Mr. Obama! He got his feelings hurt. This is the big league-if he can't handle it, than he needs to get out of the game-after all, this is just 1st quarter . If he actually had experience he would have known to hit back hard. Is this slow response an example how he would handle a real problem? Where is the substance that makes up his smooth talk-or is there not any?
I can not believe that we are going to vote for someone with a self-destructive smoking habit. We haven't had a president who smoked since FDR during the WWII. Obama needs to kick the habit or we need to kick him out of the race.
Look who is talking about change!
what kind of fairy tale is this, that Obama is more liked by the republicans then Hillary , therefore the reasoning is that they won't fight him for the presidency as hard? give me a break. There won't be one single republican that will vote for Obama. He is leaning to much left , and doesn't have enough foreign experience to be president. There is also the question, what will his policy be on Africa, since he has deep recent roots going back to Kenya. As president of the US , what will his policies be on Islam extremism and the muslim world, since he was partially educated in Indonesia with a large Muslim population. He was absent when the votes were cast to declare Iran a terror state. Which had nothing to do with war on Iran. Yet he was absent. He also voted against the war in Iraq, when american emotions were high and all americans united under 9/11 were seeking
justice for 9/11. Bush made a mess out of the war, but had we won the war, where would Obama be today? The fact is he voted against the war on Islam extremism twice. What does this really mean? Did he vote against the war on Islamic extremis, because he didn't want to fight Islam extremis, or was it because he had America's future in mind. This question can be debated.
KUCINICH IS ASKING FOR A RECOUNT OF THE VOTES IN THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY ELECTION !!!!
There was a BIG discrepancy between the hand-counted votes (which favored Obama, just like the polls did before the election), and the machine-counted votes (which favored Clinton enough to cause her to win New Hampshire's primary).
Hilley and Billey have stolen the election in New Hampshire !!!! Remember, you heard it here first. This is going to be a big story.
PLEASE GO TO: http://www.wdtn.com/Global/story.asp?S=7608868
One thing that is strange about the politics in this country is that people seem to treat it like a sporting event. They have so much team spirit, so much love for their team and hate for the opposing team, that they look away when their players are cheating just because they want their team to win.
A lot of the comments on this list seem to be inaccurate and I hope that people stop to factcheck some of the things you see in the media before deciding on which team truly deserves your support.
As someone else mentioned the media should be doing this themselves, and should not be promoting the smears and lies.
Another person posted a link to a speech that Obama gave about a half year before we invaded Iraq that is on wikipedia. I urge everyone to read it. It clearly states that we shouldn't go to war, why we shouldn't, and a list of what we should be doing, like getting Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, and ending our oil dependency on the middle east countries. For all the talk about his vague speeches, posturing, and lack of experience, I think it shows a lot of wisdom and good judgement and is pretty specific.
I am an independent voter by the way, and even though I have a lot of respect for what Bill Clinton did in his presidency, I also remember that he has lied to us all before.
My advice to Obama is not to let Bill Clinton's remark upset him. Bill has been known to say one thing but really means something else. It was Bill, now Hillary and who knows, Chelsea might want a shot at the Presidency too. I think the Clinton fatigue is round the corner.
Obama raising CASH:
Obama is he getting SCARED AGAIN or is it a way to play the underdog after the Obama-Oprah hoorah? Who needs cash? Obama the greatest cash raising machine known in the democratic circle beating Hillary on raising cash! Who are we kidding now with mailings in NH , Nevada and South Carolina etc....
Go Hillary44 08! http://hillaryis44.org/ http://facts.hillaryhub.com/ http://www.hillaryhub.com/ This election is a national campaign for the long haul till Michigan Primary on 1/15/08; Nevada Primary 1/19/08; South Carolina Primary (D)1/26/08; Florida Primary 1/29/08; and the most vital Super Duper Tuesday with 24 Primaries states voting on February 5th 2008, which will DECIDE the NOMINEE, then LA Primary 2/9/08; Maine Primary (D) 2/12/08; D.C. Primary, MD Primary, VA Primary 2/12/08; Hawaii Primary (D), Wash. Primary, Wis. Primary 2/19/08; Ohio Primary, R.I. Primary, TX Primary, VT 3/4/08; WYO. Primary (D); MISS. Primary 3/11/08; PA Primary 4/22/08; IND. Primary, N.C. Primary 5/6/08; NEB. Primary, W. VA. Primary 5/13/08; KY. Primary, ORE. Primary 5/20/08; S.D. Primary 6/3/08 not the early states! A pre-Iowa snapshot of the national election scene: http://uselectionatlas.org/2008.php
Bill Clinton made a good point.Obama paints himself as the disciple of change.
But if that is true, how come his voting record in the Senate is the same as Hillary Clinton's?
Bill Clinton is right. Obama's record of change is a "fairy tale."
I have listened to Obama's speeches and interviews, and he has a marvelous way with words. But after it is all over, I have no idea what he was talking about.
His main theme is that "WE can do it." Really? If that were the case, then the Iraq war would be over right now. WE can't do a thing until we elect a Democratic President and a Democratic congress.
Only THEY can do it!
Senator Obama says "Yes We Can" but Hillary says How We Can. That's the difference between someone without experience and someone with it.
It's the "WE the PEOPLE" type thinkers that started this country on its way to greatness...
Everyone needs to step away from the fringes ... Pleassssssssse!
Too many people living on the LEFT and RIGHT fringes ... No one is willing to listen to anyone about anything that doesn't EXACTLY fit with their own thinking...
Too many people listen to a sound bite from someone and think that's the answer ... it's been mentioned a few times in this string of comments ... We ALL need to do a little research ... away from the nightly news and the fringe radio shows ... TRY just once listening to someone else's opinion with an open mind... Now that would really be a CHANGE.
Being President is NOT like being a mechanic ... he doesn't roll up his sleeves and rebuild the engine or knock out the dents ... He's the guy that orchestrates the process ...
It's the "WE the PEOPLE" type thinkers that started this country on its way to greatness...
Everyone needs to step away from the fringes ...
Too many people living on the LEFT and RIGHT fringes ... No one is willing to listen to anyone about anything that doesn't EXACTLY fit with their own thinking...
Too many people listen to a sound bite from someone and think that's the answer ... it's been mentioned a few times in this string of comments ... We ALL need to do a little research ... away from the nightly news and the fringe radio shows ... TRY just once listening to someone else's opinion with an open mind... Now that would really be a CHANGE.
Being President is NOT like being a mechanic ... he doesn't roll up his sleeves and rebuild the engine or knock out the dents ... He's the guy that orchestrates the process ...
Paul,
You asked "Who made you the judge and jury when it comes to the Clintons past legal issues". The same person who appointed you judge and jury over me. With your vast experience, I am sure you can figure out who that is. Dang, there's that word 'is'. Who knows the meaning of that word! As for Obama, if you think the Clintons won't put him in his place, just watch. All politicians have two faces; the public face and the private face. The public face is the image they wish to project to others by which they hope to gain whatever they want. The other is the private face or the real person when he is not and does not expect to be exposed to public view. I never trust the public face , especially in this day of consultants, advisors and political strategists. They will manipulate images and emotions and beliefs, etc. to enfluence you to do whatever they want you to do. Try to get a view of the private person. Writings of their enemies, insiders, victims and slips of the tongue and actions. Thereby you will know who you are really dealing with. If the person has character in their private life, they most likely they will have character in their public life. If they are ruthless and deceiving in their private life, they most certainly will be so when they attain power. I dare say, most people would have not voted for Hitler if they had seen through his public facade. But, only through suffering do most people learn. I would suggest you wake up before you have to go through the fire to learn the pain of being burned. And please, don't be so sexist. No good will come of that.
I used to support Mrs. Clinton until i saw her sheed tears because she didn't get the majority vote. Now i know how selfish she is!!! She does not respect the vote of that city, she'll never respect the opinion of the American people! What makes her think she's the best person for the United States presidency. What is it that she want to do this time and why didn't she help her husband do it for the eight years they were in the white house.
God bless you Mr. Obama.
Check the facts. Obama was always against the war. Bill's attempt to twist that fact is egregious. Stop being sheep and read the whole quote. Because Obama is running on a "clean" campaign, the Clinton's want to soil the race as much as possible so that he appears to be a hypocrite. Clinton's are running on the belief that it takes that "toughness" to win against the Republicans and opinions on them are more solidified so the dirt washes off more easily. -Of course, this highlights the "change" in politics that Obama offers.
I am getting sick and tired of the Clintons trashing Obama!
America the Clintons are not Gods! For Bill Clinton to now appear as though he was nothing but perfect is totally hilarious and suggests that we have developed some form of amnesia. This is the President who because of lack of self dicipline and control lied under oath and had highly graphic and sexual interactions in the White House whilst he should have been focusing on the country, the President who was almost IMPEACHED?
I don't think the Clintons are better than any of the other candidates, neither do they seem appealing by their so called experience.
We are the people who make the choice We are the voice and We make our statement clearly without any help from Bill Clinton. America will make a choice Bill, you are running too fast and leaving your own legs behind you. America wants to keep you in good books let it be that way.