Comments on: Unexpected wrinkle for Clinton in Michigan http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/ All politics, all the time Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:07:36 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: kiki http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-279637 kiki Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:47:45 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-279637 i need help i need help

]]> By: Barbara http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-273877 Barbara Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:00:55 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-273877 I am an independent. If Obama or Edwards want to get my vote, they will have to explain to my satisfaction why they pulled their names off the ballot in the Michigan primary. How can I expect them to "change" anything in Washington when their actions show that will do whatever the party orders them to do. I am an independent. If Obama or Edwards want to get my vote, they will have to explain to my satisfaction why they pulled their names off the ballot in the Michigan primary. How can I expect them to "change" anything in Washington when their actions show that will do whatever the party orders them to do.

]]> By: denise http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-272012 denise Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:55:27 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-272012 Lets see what happens in the Jeb Bush state...he moved his primary date up also ...it was moved up a few weeks ago. All of this seems pretty Republican to me. Lets see what happens in the Jeb Bush state...he moved his primary date up also ...it was moved up a few weeks ago. All of this seems pretty Republican to me.

]]> By: laden http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-271925 laden Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:38:42 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-271925 hillery clinton and bill clinton are very pleasant,attractive people,highly intelligent-can voice/ comment/ answer questions/ conversations unscriped. all traits i have witnessed the scripted staff on cnn. minus a few,,,lack. is this why the snarling, vicious attacks on hillery. o'reilly- rush limbaugh and sone republicans have character enough to question these vicious attacks on her laughter, emotions, cleavage, clothing, and likeability. where are your comments , questions display on cnn. film,network of barac obama. his muslim background,, racial hatred groups,, does not pledge allegiance to the the flag of the u.s.a.,, shown on your network. democratic candidates, hand over heart reciting the pledge. barack oboama last in line stands rigid arm, hands at side, mouth closed, hand off bible when sworn into state and u.s. senate,,,.. why, ask him why. what bible does he prefer.. who does he plege his allegiance to . why has he been able to propell over highly experienced cadidates.open the door to barack obama to what he does not want to hear ,,, not what you and he and your manager want to hear. hillery clinton and bill clinton are very pleasant,attractive people,highly intelligent-can voice/ comment/ answer questions/ conversations unscriped. all traits i have witnessed the scripted staff on cnn. minus a few,,,lack. is this why the snarling, vicious attacks on hillery. o'reilly- rush limbaugh and sone republicans have character enough to question these vicious attacks on her laughter, emotions, cleavage, clothing, and likeability. where are your comments , questions display on cnn. film,network of barac obama. his muslim background,, racial hatred groups,, does not pledge allegiance to the the flag of the u.s.a.,, shown on your network. democratic candidates, hand over heart reciting the pledge. barack oboama last in line stands rigid arm, hands at side, mouth closed, hand off bible when sworn into state and u.s. senate,,,.. why, ask him why. what bible does he prefer.. who does he plege his allegiance to . why has he been able to propell over highly experienced cadidates.open the door to barack obama to what he does not want to hear ,,, not what you and he and your manager want to hear.

]]> By: Steve http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-264089 Steve Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:52:22 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-264089 This Article Specificaly left out the fact That Dennis Kucinich is on the Ballot there and IS Campaiging there ... The Media refuses to give Dennis any coverage .. wich is destroying our democracy ... they have also basicly now left eddwards out of the race now ..I wouldnt be surprised if they exclude him from next debates . we must stop Media control of our election process NOW if we are to ever return to some form of Democracy!! This Article Specificaly left out the fact That Dennis Kucinich is on the Ballot there and IS Campaiging there ...
The Media refuses to give Dennis any coverage .. wich is destroying our democracy ... they have also basicly now left eddwards out of the race now ..I wouldnt be surprised if they exclude him from next debates .
we must stop Media control of our election process NOW if we are to ever return to some form of Democracy!!

]]> By: Ginny CA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-263745 Ginny CA Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:20:32 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-263745 <b>To Jennifer in Mich, and Ben in Flint Mich:</b> You both advise Former Obama Girl to go to either Obama's website or visit a local or national Obama headquarters where someone there will explain Sen. Obama's plans to her. Might I add another bit of advice here? I believe it would be wise for Sen. Obama to do the same: go to an Obama site and learn what his plans are. If he only knew what they were, perhaps he would be able to express them to voters instead of speaking in generalities and catch phrases. From the beginning Edwards and Clinton have been articulating what their goals are and the steps they will take to accomplish them. Now it's up to Obama to let us know that he has, at least, some idea about how he will achieve his goals. To Jennifer in Mich, and Ben in Flint Mich: You both advise Former Obama Girl to go to either Obama's website or visit a local or national Obama headquarters where someone there will explain Sen. Obama's plans to her. Might I add another bit of advice here? I believe it would be wise for Sen. Obama to do the same: go to an Obama site and learn what his plans are. If he only knew what they were, perhaps he would be able to express them to voters instead of speaking in generalities and catch phrases. From the beginning Edwards and Clinton have been articulating what their goals are and the steps they will take to accomplish them. Now it's up to Obama to let us know that he has, at least, some idea about how he will achieve his goals.

]]> By: Zain http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-261789 Zain Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:39:30 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-261789 Those of us who choose not to support Hillary, are not necessarily anti-women. She is untrustworthy and simply not the best canidate. Just because you choose not to support Obama doesn't make you a bigot. I personally support Barack Obama. He has the right vision. He has gone to great lenghts to research his plans. He is intelligent, a good speaker, and just what our country needs right now. John Edwards is also a great canidate. Although I support Obama, I would not be upset to see Edwards in office. Best case senerio would be President Barack Obama and Vice President John Edwards. But, that's just one man's opinion. Those of us who choose not to support Hillary, are not necessarily anti-women. She is untrustworthy and simply not the best canidate. Just because you choose not to support Obama doesn't make you a bigot. I personally support Barack Obama. He has the right vision. He has gone to great lenghts to research his plans. He is intelligent, a good speaker, and just what our country needs right now. John Edwards is also a great canidate. Although I support Obama, I would not be upset to see Edwards in office. Best case senerio would be President Barack Obama and Vice President John Edwards. But, that's just one man's opinion.

]]> By: Debbie from THE SHOW ME STATE http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-259374 Debbie from THE SHOW ME STATE Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:08:19 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-259374 I HAVE PUT SEVERAL COMMENTS ON HERE ON HOW THE MEDIA HAS CHANGED MY MIND ON WHOM I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR, BECAUSE OF THE RIDCULING THEY HAVE DONE TO A CERTAIN CANDIDATE TO WHOM I ADMIRE VERY MUCH, BECAUSE IN THIS DAY AND TIME DIVORCE IS THE ANSWER IT SEEMS, BUT THIS PERSON CHOSE TO KEEP THE MARRIAGE, FAMILY AND CAREER FOR WHAT EVER REASON ,IT STILL COULD NOT OF BEEN EASY. AS FOR THE BAD HAIR DAY WHO DOESN,T HAVE ONE AND WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH POLITICS OR RUNNING A COUNTRY. I WILL LISTEN TO ALL OF THE CANDIDATES UNTIL ITS MY TURN TO VOTE AND PRAY FOR GOD TO HELP ME TO DECIDE, BECAUSE OF ALL THE NEGATIVITY I HEAR I TRULY THINK WE HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD PEOPLE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT SO COME ON GUYS LETS GIVE THEM A BREAK. I KNOW YOU HAVE TO REPORT THE PROS AND CONS BUT SOMETIMES YOU GET CARRIED AWAY. THANK YOU AND IF THIS DOESN,T GET PUT ON I AM GOING TO GET UPSET .REMEMBER I AM FROM THE SHOW ME STATE I HAVE PUT SEVERAL COMMENTS ON HERE ON HOW THE MEDIA HAS CHANGED MY MIND ON WHOM I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR, BECAUSE OF THE RIDCULING THEY HAVE DONE TO A CERTAIN CANDIDATE TO WHOM I ADMIRE VERY MUCH, BECAUSE IN THIS DAY AND TIME DIVORCE IS THE ANSWER IT SEEMS, BUT THIS PERSON CHOSE TO KEEP THE MARRIAGE, FAMILY AND CAREER FOR WHAT EVER REASON ,IT STILL COULD NOT OF BEEN EASY. AS FOR THE BAD HAIR DAY WHO DOESN,T HAVE ONE AND WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH POLITICS OR RUNNING A COUNTRY. I WILL LISTEN TO ALL OF THE CANDIDATES UNTIL ITS MY TURN TO VOTE AND PRAY FOR GOD TO HELP ME TO DECIDE, BECAUSE OF ALL THE NEGATIVITY I HEAR I TRULY THINK WE HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD PEOPLE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT SO COME ON GUYS LETS GIVE THEM A BREAK. I KNOW YOU HAVE TO REPORT THE PROS AND CONS BUT SOMETIMES YOU GET CARRIED AWAY. THANK YOU AND IF THIS DOESN,T GET PUT ON I AM GOING TO GET UPSET .REMEMBER I AM FROM THE SHOW ME STATE

]]> By: Michael MacDonald http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-256055 Michael MacDonald Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:49:01 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-256055 I share the outrage of the Michigan Democrats who have written protesting the Democratic primay debacle. The people who created this fiasco, Governor Granholm, Chairman Mark Brewer and Senator Carl Levin are all supporters of Senator Clinton, whether they have formally endorsed her or not. The urging of the latter two to vote for an "uncommitted" slate of delegates is utterly disingenous. This is the same as choosing a perfect stranger at the precinct door toe exercise your right to vote however he or she chooses. Brewer and Levin want a small vote for "uncommitted" to give a patina of fairness to an election in which tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Democrats have been disfranchised. Were CNN and the other national media to publicize how this situation has arisen, who is chiefly responsible and the rage it has provoked among loyal democrats like myself, viewers and readers would grasp that this is a major political scandal. A cabal of Clintonites has stolen the primary in the nation's ninth-largest state. Their smarmy claims that the primary will make Michigan matter in the primary selection process are as disgusting as they are false. The leaders of the party have trampled on the most fundamenal right in American democracy. Senator Levin declares loudly that the delegates chosen in what will be a rigged Clinton victory will be seated at the Democratic convention in August ("not to worry, Clintonites" in other words) and he is probably right. The stench of this election will linger long afterwards and many like me who would have welcomed a Clinton victory in a full and fair primary will not be voting on Tuesday and, should she win the national party nomination, making the same choice in November. The Party will not allow us to cast votes for Edwards or Obama now--they have even passed a law invalidating the votes of anyone who dares to write in their names (how's that for a democratic rule?). They should not be permitted to get away with this, and the reporters covering this outrage should not present it as some sort of unavoidable snafu with (a familiar phrase in the scant reporting) "plenty of blame to go around." Michiganders know that party satraps could easily have avoided this fiasco; instead they deftly brought about precisely the result they intended. I share the outrage of the Michigan Democrats who have written protesting the Democratic primay debacle. The people who created this fiasco, Governor Granholm, Chairman Mark Brewer and Senator Carl Levin are all supporters of Senator Clinton, whether they have formally endorsed her or not. The urging of the latter two to vote for an "uncommitted" slate of delegates is utterly disingenous. This is the same as choosing a perfect stranger at the precinct door toe exercise your right to vote however he or she chooses. Brewer and Levin want a small vote for "uncommitted" to give a patina of fairness to an election in which tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Democrats have been disfranchised. Were CNN and the other national media to publicize how this situation has arisen, who is chiefly responsible and the rage it has provoked among loyal democrats like myself, viewers and readers would grasp that this is a major political scandal. A cabal of Clintonites has stolen the primary in the nation's ninth-largest state. Their smarmy claims that the primary will make Michigan matter in the primary selection process are as disgusting as they are false. The leaders of the party have trampled on the most fundamenal right in American democracy. Senator Levin declares loudly that the delegates chosen in what will be a rigged Clinton victory will be seated at the Democratic convention in August ("not to worry, Clintonites" in other words) and he is probably right. The stench of this election will linger long afterwards and many like me who would have welcomed a Clinton victory in a full and fair primary will not be voting on Tuesday and, should she win the national party nomination, making the same choice in November. The Party will not allow us to cast votes for Edwards or Obama now–they have even passed a law invalidating the votes of anyone who dares to write in their names (how's that for a democratic rule?). They should not be permitted to get away with this, and the reporters covering this outrage should not present it as some sort of unavoidable snafu with (a familiar phrase in the scant reporting) "plenty of blame to go around." Michiganders know that party satraps could easily have avoided this fiasco; instead they deftly brought about precisely the result they intended.

]]> By: sgifford http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-255843 sgifford Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:26:44 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-255843 To the posters saying that this "Vote Uncommitted" is a conspiracy against Hillary: It really isn't. It's just a way to vote for another candidate. Hillary shouldn't be denied the nomination because she's a woman, but choosing another candidate is not anti-woman or anti-feminist, it's just choosing a different candidate. And in Michigan, the only way to choose a different candidate is to vote Uncommitted or vote in the Republican primary. To the posters saying "Blame the candidates, not the DNC" and/or "Vote for Hillary, she left her name on the ballot": The DNC forbade candidates from campaigning in Michigan and decided not to seat our delegates, so they really did play a pretty big role in this situation, and deserve a good part of the blame. And at the time Clinton decided not to take her name off the ballot, she said it was because it was unnecessary, since the delegates weren't being counted anyways. She hasn't opposed the decision to ignore our delegates (and hence our votes), and she hasn't campaigned in Michigan. So she's not blameless either. The fact is that the entire Democratic Party is to blame, from the DNC to the Michigan Democratic party to the candidates to the Democrats in the state legislature that voted for this disastrous plan. Fellow Michigan Democrats, please let party leaders and your legislators know your thoughts! See my earlier post for a link to a site I have set up on the issue, which has links to contact the people responsible for this, and also an online petition to sign. To the posters saying that this "Vote Uncommitted" is a conspiracy against Hillary: It really isn't. It's just a way to vote for another candidate. Hillary shouldn't be denied the nomination because she's a woman, but choosing another candidate is not anti-woman or anti-feminist, it's just choosing a different candidate. And in Michigan, the only way to choose a different candidate is to vote Uncommitted or vote in the Republican primary.

To the posters saying "Blame the candidates, not the DNC" and/or "Vote for Hillary, she left her name on the ballot": The DNC forbade candidates from campaigning in Michigan and decided not to seat our delegates, so they really did play a pretty big role in this situation, and deserve a good part of the blame. And at the time Clinton decided not to take her name off the ballot, she said it was because it was unnecessary, since the delegates weren't being counted anyways. She hasn't opposed the decision to ignore our delegates (and hence our votes), and she hasn't campaigned in Michigan. So she's not blameless either.

The fact is that the entire Democratic Party is to blame, from the DNC to the Michigan Democratic party to the candidates to the Democrats in the state legislature that voted for this disastrous plan. Fellow Michigan Democrats, please let party leaders and your legislators know your thoughts! See my earlier post for a link to a site I have set up on the issue, which has links to contact the people responsible for this, and also an online petition to sign.

]]> By: Tim Calhoun '08, Moreno Valley, CA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-254999 Tim Calhoun '08, Moreno Valley, CA Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:41:37 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-254999 D, two words: Margaret Thatcher. Hillary is the Maggie of the Democratic Party. People have this ridiculous notion that female leaders would make the world an idyllic, tranquil place. Female leaders have been pro-war (not to mention corrupt) in the past and will continue to be in the future...just like male leaders. Let's remember, Hillary helped put our nation into Iraq in the first place. D, two words: Margaret Thatcher.

Hillary is the Maggie of the Democratic Party.

People have this ridiculous notion that female leaders would make the world an idyllic, tranquil place. Female leaders have been pro-war (not to mention corrupt) in the past and will continue to be in the future...just like male leaders.

Let's remember, Hillary helped put our nation into Iraq in the first place.

]]> By: Annie http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-254188 Annie Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:03:06 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-254188 I like both Obama and Hillary. All the Dems are ok with me. But.... what is the 2008 presidential race really about? This race is not about terrorism, education, healthcare, the economy, the environment, religion, race or any of the other issues that we pretend to be interested in. It is about only one thing, and that is gender. We were shocked and/or amused when those two hecklers disrupted a Hillary speech to shout at her "IRON MY SHIRTS!" (The guys who did this worked for a morning radio show and were doing it as a publicity stunt). The truth is, many men and woman believe that is exactly what Hillary, and all other woman, should be doing. We just don't want to admit it to ourselves. It is politically incorrect. No one, male or female, wants to be thought sexist. But Hillary scares everyone, since she is doing something that no woman has done before. We don't want to admit that we are sexist, so Hillary is attacked relentlessly by both men and women for her past behavior and supposed faults. When I read each one of the attacks on Hillary, I ask myself "If she were a man, would they be saying this?" Most of the time the answer is no. Hillary is trying to break the highest and hardest glass ceiling in the USA. It is no wonder she is being vilified. Some history for those of you who are interested in learning facts. The rest of you go on to the next post...or just flame away.... *********************************** In the early and mid 1800's neither woman nor blacks are citizens of the USA nor are they allowed to vote. The two groups work together to try to gain the rights of citizenship for both blacks and females. After the civil war, BLACK MEN (only) are given the right of citizenship with the passage of the Fourteenth amendment in 1867-68. This amendment goes to great lengths defining citizenship. It states that they must be "male". It is clear that woman are being excluded from having the legal and voting rights that they would have if they were allowed to be citizens. This is the first use of the word male in the Constitution. "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States" ********************************************** In 1868, the fifteenth amendment passes Congress, giving the vote to black men only. "Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by The United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude. Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation." It is obvious those women are being deliberately excluded from voting. No political correctness here. ************************************************** At this point, black men have what they want, and woman of all races are left to fight on their own for universal suffrage. For the next 52 years, women who fight for the right to vote are arrested and jailed when they try to gain voting rights. In 1886, women are excluded from the dedication ceremonies for the Statue of Liberty. In each election, brave woman attempt to cast votes, but they are arrested and the votes are discarded. In the 1890's, suffragettes begin work in each state to gain voting rights. Colorado gives woman the vote, followed by Idaho, Washington State, California and Alaska, Oregon, Arizona and Kansas. Lucretia Mott, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony die, having never cast a vote despite working for that right for over 50 years. As woman get closer to having universal voting rights, physical and verbal attacks on suffragettes become increasingly violent. In 1913 they are attacked by mobs and hundreds of woman are injured. (Editorial comment. This is a typical response to woman who are gaining power.) Woman are arrested, jailed and brutalized in an attempt to scare them away from their goal, which now appears to be within reach. In 1920, the Nineteenth Amendment is ratified. “ The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex." ************* "So what?" you say? "That is ancient history." Not quite. Nothing has really changed in the last hundred years. Although women have been able to vote for 87 years, we have still not been represented in the highest or even the second highest office in America. Why is that? We have still not had a black president or vice president. When a woman gets within reach of presidential power, the violence and attacks escalate in an attempt to humiliate, discourage and exclude her. Although Obama has black blood, he is not being attacked in public or in print as Hillary is. Is there more fear of a woman being president then of a black person being a president? It appears so to me. What demographic group has been most excluded from seeking the highest political office? Women are 50.7% of the US population, so why haven't we had a woman president? Don't tell me a woman can't do the job. (So what is the reason???) Blacks are 12.8% of the population. I think the people who are best able to analyze this are BLACK WOMEN. I want to know, are your going to vote your gender or your race? If you HAD to choose between only those two factors, what would it be? Which has the biggest impact on your life? It is clear to me that in 2008, sexism is more hostile then racism. Would you say what you are saying about Hillary if she were a man? This campaign is about GENDER...and nothing else. I like both Obama and Hillary. All the Dems are ok with me.

But.... what is the 2008 presidential race really about?

This race is not about terrorism, education, healthcare, the economy, the environment, religion, race or any of the other issues that we pretend to be interested in. It is about only one thing, and that is gender.

We were shocked and/or amused when those two hecklers disrupted a Hillary speech to shout at her "IRON MY SHIRTS!" (The guys who did this worked for a morning radio show and were doing it as a publicity stunt).

The truth is, many men and woman believe that is exactly what Hillary, and all other woman, should be doing. We just don't want to admit it to ourselves. It is politically incorrect.

No one, male or female, wants to be thought sexist. But Hillary scares everyone,
since she is doing something that no woman has done before.

We don't want to admit that we are sexist, so Hillary is attacked relentlessly by both men and women for her past behavior and supposed faults.

When I read each one of the attacks on Hillary, I ask myself
"If she were a man, would they be saying this?"

Most of the time the answer is no.

Hillary is trying to break the highest and hardest glass ceiling in the USA. It is no wonder she is being vilified.

Some history for those of you who are interested in learning facts. The rest of you go on to the next post...or just flame away....
***********************************
In the early and mid 1800's neither woman nor blacks are citizens of the USA nor are they allowed to vote.

The two groups work together to try to gain the rights of citizenship for both blacks and females.

After the civil war, BLACK MEN (only) are given the right of citizenship with the passage of the Fourteenth amendment in 1867-68. This amendment goes to great lengths defining citizenship.

It states that they must be "male". It is clear that woman are being excluded from having the legal and voting rights that they would have if they were allowed to be citizens. This is the first use of the word male in the Constitution.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States"
**********************************************
In 1868, the fifteenth amendment passes Congress, giving the vote to black men only.

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by
The United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

It is obvious those women are being deliberately excluded from voting. No political correctness here.
**************************************************
At this point, black men have what they want, and woman of all races are left to fight on their own for universal suffrage. For the next 52 years, women who fight for the right to vote are arrested and jailed when they try to gain voting rights. In 1886, women are excluded from the dedication ceremonies for the Statue of Liberty.

In each election, brave woman attempt to cast votes, but they are arrested and the votes are discarded.

In the 1890's, suffragettes begin work in each state to gain voting rights. Colorado gives woman the vote, followed by Idaho, Washington State, California and Alaska, Oregon, Arizona and Kansas.

Lucretia Mott, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony die, having never cast a vote despite working for that right for over 50 years.

As woman get closer to having universal voting rights, physical and verbal attacks on suffragettes become increasingly violent. In 1913 they are attacked by mobs and hundreds of woman are injured. (Editorial comment. This is a typical response to woman who are gaining power.)

Woman are arrested, jailed and brutalized in an attempt to scare them away from their goal, which now appears to be within reach.

In 1920, the Nineteenth Amendment is ratified. “ The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."

*************
"So what?" you say? "That is ancient history."

Not quite. Nothing has really changed in the last hundred years. Although women have been able to vote for 87 years, we have still not been represented in the highest or even the second highest office in America. Why is that?

We have still not had a black president or vice president. When a woman gets within reach of presidential power, the violence and attacks escalate in an attempt to humiliate, discourage and exclude her.

Although Obama has black blood, he is not being attacked in public or in print as Hillary is. Is there more fear of a woman being president then of a black person being a president? It appears so to me.

What demographic group has been most excluded from seeking the highest political office? Women are 50.7% of the US population, so why haven't we had a woman president?

Don't tell me a woman can't do the job. (So what is the reason???)

Blacks are 12.8% of the population.

I think the people who are best able to analyze this are BLACK WOMEN.
I want to know, are your going to vote your gender or your race?
If you HAD to choose between only those two factors, what would it be?
Which has the biggest impact on your life?

It is clear to me that in 2008, sexism is more hostile then racism.

Would you say what you are saying about Hillary if she were a man?

This campaign is about GENDER...and nothing else.

]]> By: Robert, Lancing MI http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-251959 Robert, Lancing MI Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:19:51 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-251959 Democrats of Wisconsin,become informed and take control of your future ! Go to www.fairtax.org and read up! Our current income tax is dragging this country into the mud, and we have to make a positive change. Goals of the FairTax 1. Eliminate all federal taxes including payroll, income, inheritance, gift, social security, medicare taxes. 2. Replace them with a National Sales tax which will fully fund all government programs at the current rate. 3. End the IRS. 4. Repeal the 16th amendment. Advantages of the FairTax Taxation becomes visible so everyone can see exactly what they are paying in tax. Make taxation fair, cause everyone would pay the same thing. Give incentive to excel to the American people and American business. Attract new business to this country. Make America Made products more competitive in the world market-place. And much more. Learn about the FairTax, and then demand that your democratic leaders support it. Thank you. Democrats of Wisconsin,become informed and take control of your future !

Go to http://www.fairtax.org and read up!

Our current income tax is dragging this country into the mud, and we have to make a positive change.

Goals of the FairTax
1. Eliminate all federal taxes including payroll, income, inheritance, gift, social security, medicare taxes.
2. Replace them with a National Sales tax which will fully fund all government programs at the current rate.
3. End the IRS.
4. Repeal the 16th amendment.

Advantages of the FairTax
Taxation becomes visible so everyone can see exactly what they are paying in tax. Make taxation fair, cause everyone would pay the same thing. Give incentive to excel to the American people and American business. Attract new business to this country. Make America Made products more competitive in the world market-place. And much more.

Learn about the FairTax, and then demand that your democratic leaders support it.

Thank you.

]]> By: Anonymous http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-251142 Anonymous Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:55:45 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-251142 Personally, I don't think it matters what the Clinton campaign does. They can't win, because people immediately have the attitude "not her", and do not listen. I listened to a town hall meeting where she answered question after question, and now she honestly will get my vote. She clearly knows what she's talking about. People just immediately close their minds at the mention of her name. I was that way also until I listened to everyone, and after voting for George, because he was going to change everything and bipartiasnship was going to be. We have the worst mess I have ever seen. Now, I have decided I want experience in Washington. Edwards is to weak. Obama can speak, but he does need to be around politics alot longer. The media is ridiculous. I use to like CNN, when it was about news, now it reports, and analyzes everything to death. The Obama wave is a prime example. Personally, I don't think it matters what the Clinton campaign does. They can't win, because people immediately have the attitude "not her", and do not listen.
I listened to a town hall meeting where she answered question after question, and now she honestly will get my vote. She clearly knows what she's talking about. People just immediately close their minds at the mention of her name. I was that way also until I listened to everyone, and after voting for George, because he was going to change everything and bipartiasnship was going to be. We have the worst mess I have ever seen. Now, I have decided I want experience in Washington. Edwards is to weak. Obama can speak, but he does need to be around politics alot longer. The media is ridiculous. I use to like CNN, when it was about news, now it reports, and analyzes everything to death. The Obama wave is a prime example.

]]> By: CS, IL http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-251080 CS, IL Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:43:42 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-251080 Ann, I totally agree with you. People this is POLITICS! Politicians must play hard .. sorry. If you don't like that answer, please see the "We Are the World" - no real platform but I'm biracial so I have a better view on foireign policy" thought process of Obama. Everyone is blaming Hillary for not taking her name off the list. I would not have either! What the hell! She wants to win. If Obama or Edwards truthfully thought they could win Michigan, they would not have. This is not about respecting the DNC, this is about giving the hell up and turning on Michigan!! I don't know who I'm voting for, but I won't vote for Obama. He has handed me NOTHING in terms of concrete plans. I get that he has a lot of ideas of being Pesident .. but hell, so do I. Wanna make me President too?? I don't appreciate his bad impersonations of Martin Luther King speeches and I truly don't appreciate his growing arrogance, even in the face of a campaign that is really missing "the beef". It's kind of sad that so many people don't even realize how misogynistic they sound in their responses. That so many don't want to see how biased the media is. I would be outraged if I lived in Michigan. I really feel for you guys. Ann,

I totally agree with you. People this is POLITICS! Politicians must play hard .. sorry. If you don't like that answer, please see the "We Are the World" – no real platform but I'm biracial so I have a better view on foireign policy" thought process of Obama.

Everyone is blaming Hillary for not taking her name off the list. I would not have either! What the hell! She wants to win. If Obama or Edwards truthfully thought they could win Michigan, they would not have. This is not about respecting the DNC, this is about giving the hell up and turning on Michigan!!

I don't know who I'm voting for, but I won't vote for Obama. He has handed me NOTHING in terms of concrete plans. I get that he has a lot of ideas of being Pesident .. but hell, so do I. Wanna make me President too?? I don't appreciate his bad impersonations of Martin Luther King speeches and I truly don't appreciate his growing arrogance, even in the face of a campaign that is really missing "the beef".

It's kind of sad that so many people don't even realize how misogynistic they sound in their responses. That so many don't want to see how biased the media is.

I would be outraged if I lived in Michigan. I really feel for you guys.

]]> By: AnnAloha, PA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250867 AnnAloha, PA Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:47:32 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250867 Go Independents for Change!!! Vote you hearts and you minds!!! Looking at all you FOOLS that allowed the sexist media management and the anti-feminist females that reeled all of you in with the Jerry Springer effect...I sit hear totally amused and chuckled at the very thought that you fell for it Hook, Line and Sinker. Geez, could you all be more ignorant to this? Call Senator Obama and Senator Edwards and tell them how stupid it was for them to for-go Michigan. Senator Clinton did'nt tell them not keep their names on the ballot. See how cockey they were, to believe by not participating(by their own choice), shows just how serious they really took this race. I wish the media would pose that question to each of them, to get their response. Do you regret for-going Michigan? Poor Michigan, I totally feel sorry for you, especially those of you that supported Senator Obama and Senator Edwards. If I were you all, I would direct your anger at the 2 people that need to hear from you, Senators Obama and Edwards. Stop whinning and hold them responsible and not the DNC or Senator Clinton and please try to move on after to hear from them. Go Independents for Change!!!
Vote you hearts and you minds!!!
Looking at all you FOOLS that allowed the sexist media management and the anti-feminist females that reeled all of you in with the Jerry Springer effect...I sit hear totally amused and chuckled at the very thought that you fell for it Hook, Line and Sinker. Geez, could you all be more ignorant to this?
Call Senator Obama and Senator Edwards and tell them how stupid it was for them to for-go Michigan. Senator Clinton did'nt tell them not keep their names on the ballot. See how cockey they were, to believe by not participating(by their own choice), shows just how serious they really took this race.
I wish the media would pose that question to each of them, to get their response. Do you regret for-going Michigan?
Poor Michigan, I totally feel sorry for you, especially those of you that supported Senator Obama and Senator Edwards.
If I were you all, I would direct your anger at the 2 people that need to hear from you, Senators Obama and Edwards.
Stop whinning and hold them responsible and not the DNC or Senator Clinton and please try to move on after to hear from them.

]]> By: Tommy, Orlando, FL http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250857 Tommy, Orlando, FL Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:44:46 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250857 The Press is BACK on track to Woman Bashing again.... How sad... They never learned their lessons. The Press is BACK on track to Woman Bashing again.... How sad... They never learned their lessons.

]]> By: hate ryan, new york http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250751 hate ryan, new york Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:03:45 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250751 Hay did u guys see the photo in the last debate in NH, Look at there, Obama, Edwards, Richardson standing together like ...heee heee at least we r in a group and look at Hillary standing alone.... It seems that they love each other to attack Hillary? Yep u three guys if one of u win, another two will be Vice and Advisor to the president? Shame on u guys, u guys actually deon't think of how will u guys help or do for this country!! Hay did u guys see the photo in the last debate in NH, Look at there, Obama, Edwards, Richardson standing together like ...heee heee at least we r in a group and look at Hillary standing alone.... It seems that they love each other to attack Hillary? Yep u three guys if one of u win, another two will be Vice and Advisor to the president? Shame on u guys, u guys actually deon't think of how will u guys help or do for this country!!

]]> By: Citizen http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250727 Citizen Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:55:40 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250727 Steve A, You have it the other way - in fact, Republicans want Obama - a guy with no meat, muslim, a lot of hot air, and 136 PRESENT votes as a state senator and on and on... They will have a fun day with him as democratic nominee. Go check some news letters on internet and you will get a picture. Wake up America and don't be fooled again like you were in 2000 and 2004. I am seriously considering changing party - I would rather be lableled as an _hole than an idiot. Steve A,

You have it the other way – in fact, Republicans want Obama – a guy with no meat, muslim, a lot of hot air, and 136 PRESENT votes as a state senator and on and on...

They will have a fun day with him as democratic nominee. Go check some news letters on internet and you will get a picture.

Wake up America and don't be fooled again like you were in 2000 and 2004.

I am seriously considering changing party – I would rather be lableled as an _hole than an idiot.

]]> By: S Jose http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250720 S Jose Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:54:06 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250720 some people may say Hillary is weak or tricky for her tear (she really didn't cry u blinds...) The media, people are pushing her to the edge and pressuring her so much but let me ask u guys did she fall down or bow out? She is still standing eventhough she lost in Iowa and she overcame lots of pressure as a first lady, a senator and now as a presidential candidate. Even if unluckly she lost to Obama, she still be standing gracefully. People blame on her that she did vote for war so let me ask u when ur fellow innocenent americans died bcoz of one stupid act how will u reply at that moment? Let me ask u how ur belove obama would reply if he got a chance to vote for the war??? Do u think can he really really do"CHANGE THAT WE CAN BELIEVE" when he become the president of america. And how will he respond to his father and step father and his own previous religon if there will be another 9/11 attack happen again. Do u ever think that how it's so tough and difficult as a woman in politic but she is still fighting and keep going. it may be true that she made mistakes but does anybody never did mistake in their life??? How about obama? is he like a mistake free zone? just use ur brain my fellow american don't just dream or just blind. obama's speech may be inspirational like we watch in the movie but in reality things are more difficult than just talk. some people may say Hillary is weak or tricky for her tear (she really didn't cry u blinds...) The media, people are pushing her to the edge and pressuring her so much but let me ask u guys did she fall down or bow out? She is still standing eventhough she lost in Iowa and she overcame lots of pressure as a first lady, a senator and now as a presidential candidate. Even if unluckly she lost to Obama, she still be standing gracefully. People blame on her that she did vote for war so let me ask u when ur fellow innocenent americans died bcoz of one stupid act how will u reply at that moment?
Let me ask u how ur belove obama would reply if he got a chance to vote for the war??? Do u think can he really really do"CHANGE THAT WE CAN BELIEVE" when he become the president of america. And how will he respond to his father and step father and his own previous religon if there will be another 9/11 attack happen again. Do u ever think that how it's so tough and difficult as a woman in politic but she is still fighting and keep going. it may be true that she made mistakes but does anybody never did mistake in their life??? How about obama? is he like a mistake free zone? just use ur brain my fellow american don't just dream or just blind. obama's speech may be inspirational like we watch in the movie but in reality things are more difficult than just talk.

]]> By: BF Boca http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250628 BF Boca Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:04:20 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250628 NH was biased by the media coverage that Hilary recieved for the tears shed. I can't recall any other tears in History that got so much attention. By the way Hillary was crying because she saw that she was losing and not because she cares about anything. What would happen if she became president and was encountered with a life threatening difficult decision, are we going to have a president who will break down and cry. I also think she must articulate better all this exlperience that she talks about. Let her explain How the ideas were concieved, managed and completed by her and what the results were. I think we will probably see that she does not have the experience that she says. By the way being the presidents wife does not qualify as experience. Ask the Pilot of a 747 jetliner if his wife can fly the plane just because he sleeps with her. Don't think so. NH was biased by the media coverage that Hilary recieved for the tears shed. I can't recall any other tears in History that got so much attention. By the way Hillary was crying because she saw that she was losing and not because she cares about anything. What would happen if she became president and was encountered with a life threatening difficult decision, are we going to have a president who will break down and cry.

I also think she must articulate better all this exlperience that she talks about. Let her explain How the ideas were concieved, managed and completed by her and what the results were. I think we will probably see that she does not have the experience that she says. By the way being the presidents wife does not qualify as experience. Ask the Pilot of a 747 jetliner if his wife can fly the plane just because he sleeps with her. Don't think so.

]]> By: West Palm Beach http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250613 West Palm Beach Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:55:12 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250613 Michigan, welcome to the club. Love, Florida Michigan, welcome to the club. Love, Florida

]]> By: West Palm Beach http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250611 West Palm Beach Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:54:20 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250611 Michigan, welcome to the club. Need any extra voting machines?? Love, Florida Michigan, welcome to the club. Need any extra voting machines?? Love, Florida

]]> By: FloridaBoy http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250564 FloridaBoy Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:03:11 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250564 Florida was similarly penalized by the DNC. Is Hillary planning the same thing here? What voting option is there for those of us in FL that do not wish to continue the "status quo"? Florida was similarly penalized by the DNC. Is Hillary planning the same thing here? What voting option is there for those of us in FL that do not wish to continue the "status quo"?

]]> By: Mike http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250561 Mike Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:58:40 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250561 While agree that this trend of states trying to gain attention by moving up their primaries is foolish, what gives the DNC the right to take away citizens' right to vote? I was wrong to think that throwing the constitution out the window was limited to the Bush administration. I echo "GO VOTERS!" Omaha, NE While agree that this trend of states trying to gain attention by moving up their primaries is foolish, what gives the DNC the right to take away citizens' right to vote? I was wrong to think that throwing the constitution out the window was limited to the Bush administration. I echo "GO VOTERS!"

Omaha, NE

]]> By: Rasta http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250550 Rasta Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:43:48 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250550 The bi-monarchy takes roots... George H W Bush Bill Clinton George W Bush Hillary Clinton Jeb Bush Chelsea Clinton If you want to CHANGE this get fired up and be ready to go NOW. The bi-monarchy takes roots...

George H W Bush
Bill Clinton
George W Bush
Hillary Clinton
Jeb Bush
Chelsea Clinton

If you want to CHANGE this get fired up and be ready to go NOW.

]]> By: Tess http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250541 Tess Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:32:02 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250541 Hey, Clueless in Battle Creek: You also missed the fact that Qwest is moving into Downtown Detroit. Brainy businesspeople know a good deal when they see one: reasonable retail rental prices, an educated workforce hungry for jobs, amazing geographic location and a cultural gem on top of all that. Sure, it takes a little while longer for things to filter out your way but, do try to keep up on what's been happening lately (it would help if you turned off Fox every now and then and got some real news). If you get too bored clearing brush, look on the bright side, perhaps you'll have fun this summer at 'Taste of Battle Creek'...I hear there's a new cereal out this year! Just let me know when you get hungry for some culture: I'll send you a postcard from the Ansel Adams exhibition at the DIA (you might want to get a frame for it at Wal-mart) or, maybe, if you open your eyes, you can see their cast of Rodin's 'The Thinker' as it travels to Grand Rapids this summer...on second thought, all that input might be too much for your 'system'. Hey, Clueless in Battle Creek:
You also missed the fact that Qwest is moving into Downtown Detroit. Brainy businesspeople know a good deal when they see one: reasonable retail rental prices, an educated workforce hungry for jobs, amazing geographic location and a cultural gem on top of all that.

Sure, it takes a little while longer for things to filter out your way but, do try to keep up on what's been happening lately (it would help if you turned off Fox every now and then and got some real news). If you get too bored clearing brush, look on the bright side, perhaps you'll have fun this summer at 'Taste of Battle Creek'...I hear there's a new cereal out this year!

Just let me know when you get hungry for some culture: I'll send you a postcard from the Ansel Adams exhibition at the DIA (you might want to get a frame for it at Wal-mart) or, maybe, if you open your eyes, you can see their cast of Rodin's 'The Thinker' as it travels to Grand Rapids this summer...on second thought, all that input might be too much for your 'system'.

]]> By: Steve A http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250485 Steve A Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:42:15 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250485 The Republicans are running scared of Obama. As a former professor of Constitutional Law , he is precisely what our country needs now, after Bush, Cheney and Rove have done their very best to shred it. The criminal Rove 's attacks on Obama can only give Obama A BOOST. The Republicans have tooled up their campaign against Hillary, and are scared that she will not be the nominee. GO OBAMA! "YES, WE CAN!" The Republicans are running scared of Obama. As a former professor of Constitutional Law , he is precisely what our country needs now, after Bush, Cheney and Rove have done their very best to shred it.
The criminal Rove 's attacks on Obama can only give Obama A BOOST.

The Republicans have tooled up their campaign against Hillary, and are scared that she will not be the nominee.
GO OBAMA! "YES, WE CAN!"

]]> By: Real Story http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250478 Real Story Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:22:03 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250478 Obama is for the People, The media, Elitists and those who have fallen victim to simple Bush/ she is a woman tactics, are for Hillary. It is time America got their act together and voted in a real individual . I'm so tired of bull politics , WE NEED A CHANGE AMERICA Obama 08 Obama is for the People, The media, Elitists and those who have fallen victim to simple Bush/ she is a woman tactics, are for Hillary. It is time America got their act together and voted in a real individual . I'm so tired of bull politics , WE NEED A CHANGE AMERICA
Obama 08

]]> By: Ann Aloha, PA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250476 Ann Aloha, PA Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:20:13 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250476 Both Democrats and Republicans should join together to stop sexism that is apparent and alive in our country. Both Democrats and Republicans should join together to stop sexism that is apparent and alive in our country.

]]> By: Uncommited http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250474 Uncommited Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:12:56 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250474 Hillary Clinton is right up there with the radicals and Bush. I just want someone who isn't disconnected from the people. Obama seems to be the only candidate that doesn't separate himself from the general public. I hope everyone in that state votes uncommited instead of the next "Bush" Regime . Hillary Clinton is right up there with the radicals and Bush. I just want someone who isn't disconnected from the people. Obama seems to be the only candidate that doesn't separate himself from the general public. I hope everyone in that state votes uncommited instead of the next "Bush" Regime .

]]> By: gorrime http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250456 gorrime Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:46:19 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250456 hillary ---- politics of tears ??????? hillary -- politics of tears ???????

]]> By: Cousin C http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250376 Cousin C Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:50:48 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250376 The system (Government) is broke from top to bottom and it makes no difference who gets elected...this is the constant around the world. America will have learned nothing if it puts a Clinton back in office. It's time for a fight...Edwards will achieve this against big corporations...Clinton won't! Obama will bring about a new sense of change...I just wish he and Edwards could be one person...it's a tough vote between these two only. If your going to elect Clinton you might as well elect Bush again. Sincerely Your neighbor The system (Government) is broke from top to bottom and it makes no difference who gets elected...this is the constant around the world. America will have learned nothing if it puts a Clinton back in office. It's time for a fight...Edwards will achieve this against big corporations...Clinton won't!

Obama will bring about a new sense of change...I just wish he and Edwards could be one person...it's a tough vote between these two only.

If your going to elect Clinton you might as well elect Bush again.

Sincerely
Your neighbor

]]> By: D http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250368 D Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:44:44 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250368 I cant believe these folks are actually telling people in Michigan to "NOT VOTE" or vote " UNCOMMITED ", they should be COMMITTED for trying this stunt... The people of MICHIGAN need to teach these MEN a lesson ...... This is a prime example of how certain MEN want to control EVERYTHING, and it doesnt matter what party theyre in either... And the thought of a FEMALE PRESIDENT sends them all into the backrooms plotting ways to bring her down ....It is time America.. MEN have ruled the WORLD and U.S. politics long enough and made a huge mess of it all ...Look at where our nation and the state of the WORLD is now, we need change and only a female president who offers everything Hillary does will be able to affect it and affect it for the GOOD ... If you notice, the MEN, all are after the same things and offering the exact same things and the way it has always been , it doesnt matter what PARTY theyre in, it is the same ole crap they have been doing since the beginning of time... Theyre greedy, war mongering , nation dividing , and offer nothing but more pain and heartache .. If Americans want real lasting change that will affect our country , AND the entire world, for DECADES to come and in more ways than just political , it is time for a FEMALE PRESIDENT ... I cant believe these folks are actually telling people in Michigan to "NOT VOTE" or
vote " UNCOMMITED ", they should be COMMITTED for trying this stunt...
The people of MICHIGAN need to teach these MEN a lesson ...... This is a prime example of how certain MEN want to control EVERYTHING, and it doesnt matter what party theyre in either... And the thought of a FEMALE PRESIDENT sends them all into the backrooms plotting ways to bring her down ....It is time America..
MEN have ruled the WORLD and U.S. politics long enough and made a huge mess of it all ...Look at where our nation and the state of the WORLD is now, we need change and only a female president who offers everything Hillary does will be able to affect it and affect it for the GOOD ...
If you notice, the MEN, all are after the same things and offering the exact same things and the way it has always been , it doesnt matter what PARTY theyre in, it is the same ole crap they have been doing since the beginning of time...
Theyre greedy, war mongering , nation dividing , and offer nothing but more pain and heartache ..
If Americans want real lasting change that will affect our country , AND the entire world, for DECADES to come and in more ways than just political , it is time for a FEMALE PRESIDENT ...

]]> By: Margarita, Los Angeles http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250343 Margarita, Los Angeles Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:24:00 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250343 DO YOU THINK THAT OBAMA AND EDWARDS HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT GANGING UP ON HILLARY.. IT DID LOOK STAGED... THEY WERE SO CHUMMY CHUMMY. LIKE 2 LITTLE BULLYS ON THE PLAYGROUND...THEN DO YOU THINK OBAMA TOLD EDWARD... LOOK MAN I HAVE TALKED TO JOHN KERRY AND HE IS GOING TO ENDORSE ME. I THINK OBAMA USED JOHN EDWARDS FOR HIS OWN ADVANCEMENT KNOWING THAT KERRY WAS GOING TO ENDORSE OBAMA.... WHAT DO THEY CALL THAT KIND OF INDIVIDUAL.... A POLITICIAN... A SNAKE OIL POLITICIAN. DOESN'T OBUMMER CONSTANTLY COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT. JUST AS HE IS STICKING IT TO HIS POLITICAL ALLY... JOHN EDWARDS MUST BE ASKING “WHAT…NO VASELINE!!!!” …. YyES JOHNNY EDWARDS YOU TO CAN BE SHAFTED AS THE NEED ARISES DO YOU THINK THAT OBAMA AND EDWARDS HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT GANGING UP ON HILLARY.. IT DID LOOK STAGED... THEY WERE SO CHUMMY CHUMMY. LIKE 2 LITTLE BULLYS ON THE PLAYGROUND...THEN DO YOU THINK OBAMA TOLD EDWARD... LOOK MAN I HAVE TALKED TO JOHN KERRY AND HE IS GOING TO ENDORSE ME.

I THINK OBAMA USED JOHN EDWARDS FOR HIS OWN ADVANCEMENT KNOWING THAT KERRY WAS GOING TO ENDORSE OBAMA.... WHAT DO THEY CALL THAT KIND OF INDIVIDUAL.... A POLITICIAN... A SNAKE OIL POLITICIAN.
DOESN'T OBUMMER CONSTANTLY COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT. JUST AS HE IS STICKING IT TO HIS POLITICAL ALLY...

JOHN EDWARDS MUST BE ASKING “WHAT…NO VASELINE!!!!” …. YyES JOHNNY EDWARDS YOU TO CAN BE SHAFTED AS THE NEED ARISES

]]> By: John Foster http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250325 John Foster Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:13:20 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250325 Democrats in Michigan should vote for Ron Paul and shame the other pro war Republicans! Democrats in Michigan should vote for Ron Paul and shame the other pro war Republicans!

]]> By: agron--michigan http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250319 agron--michigan Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:06:57 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250319 Michigan vote for HILLARY--08 Hillary i love you BABE....YOU SO SMART... AGRON MICHIGAN Michigan vote for HILLARY–08

Hillary i love you BABE....YOU SO SMART...

AGRON MICHIGAN

]]> By: marvin http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250316 marvin Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:05:34 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250316 wow...LOTS OF REPUBLICANS in this blog. MICHIGAN will go DEMOCRATS this election. US PRESIDENT HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON wow...LOTS OF REPUBLICANS in this blog. MICHIGAN will go DEMOCRATS this election.

US PRESIDENT HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

]]> By: Adam http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250282 Adam Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:42:13 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250282 You know, this could have interesting implications on the GOP side. Since Obama and Edwards, the main candidates to draw independent voters, aren't on the ballot, a lot of independent voters are likely to choose the GOP election instead of the DFL one. That is a help for John McCain, and another blow to Romney. You know, this could have interesting implications on the GOP side. Since Obama and Edwards, the main candidates to draw independent voters, aren't on the ballot, a lot of independent voters are likely to choose the GOP election instead of the DFL one. That is a help for John McCain, and another blow to Romney.

]]> By: Cathy http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250235 Cathy Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:14:34 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250235 Cnn: stop trying to tell us who we should be for in this election. Fire those who pick sides and dont just report events. Here's a new concept for you ...no one cares what you think. Cnn: stop trying to tell us who we should be for in this election. Fire those who pick sides and dont just report events. Here's a new concept for you ...no one cares what you think.

]]> By: Ann Aloha, PA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250224 Ann Aloha, PA Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:06:31 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250224 Nobody that supports Obama and Edwards will vote unncommitted. All the comments that support each of them will be in vain, so don't fall for this unofficial spin to put the Democratic Party in question or to make you look like a bunch of ignorant and selffish individuals. You will be looked upon as self centered cry babies that couldn't get the rattler back when it fell on the floor. If you want to hold somebody responsible, you should call each candidate's headquarters and ask them why they didn't choose to enter in Michigan. They made the decision not to and they made a political mistake IMO. Knowing that this race is just that important, why would anyone want to for-go any state? Beware all you Obama and Edwards supporters, you will taint this nomination by voting uncommitted and the bigger reason is the very reason that each of your candidates tries to encourage the rest of us Americans in the country to believe, that indeed your candidate is HONEST. Be CAREFUL when this type of rhetoric of hysteria stirring is introduced...It sets you up. I am proud of the Democratic Party, I hope all Democarats unite and swallow the negative pride and Move On and Up. Nobody that supports Obama and Edwards will vote unncommitted. All the comments that support each of them will be in vain, so don't fall for this unofficial spin to put the Democratic Party in question or to make you look like a bunch of ignorant and selffish individuals. You will be looked upon as self centered cry babies that couldn't get the rattler back when it fell on the floor.
If you want to hold somebody responsible, you should call each candidate's headquarters and ask them why they didn't choose to enter in Michigan. They made the decision not to and they made a political mistake IMO. Knowing that this race is just that important, why would anyone want to for-go any state?
Beware all you Obama and Edwards supporters, you will taint this nomination by voting uncommitted and the bigger reason is the very reason that each of your candidates tries to encourage the rest of us Americans in the country to believe, that indeed your candidate is HONEST. Be CAREFUL when this type of rhetoric of hysteria stirring is introduced...It sets you up.
I am proud of the Democratic Party, I hope all Democarats unite and swallow the negative pride and Move On and Up.

]]> By: kedf http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250222 kedf Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:03:11 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250222 Why Obama and Edward did not take their name off Forida? Can you explain it to mee since you are all accusing Hillary for leaving her name on Mich. Why Obama and Edward did not take their name off Forida? Can you explain it to mee since you are all accusing Hillary for leaving her name on Mich.

]]> By: Scott Gifford http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250199 Scott Gifford Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:48:10 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250199 Several of the posters above were, like me, Michigan voters who are extremely angry at the Democratic party for taking this action. Yes, Michigan's legislature probably shouldn't have violated DNC rules, but completely disenfranchising the entire state of Michigan is far to extreme. I also saw several posters wondering what to do. I set up a Web site with some information and suggestions for making your voice heard on this issue. You can learn more at http://WhoStoleMiVote.org Several of the posters above were, like me, Michigan voters who are extremely angry at the Democratic party for taking this action. Yes, Michigan's legislature probably shouldn't have violated DNC rules, but completely disenfranchising the entire state of Michigan is far to extreme.

I also saw several posters wondering what to do. I set up a Web site with some information and suggestions for making your voice heard on this issue. You can learn more at http://WhoStoleMiVote.org

]]> By: Walt, Belton, TX http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250171 Walt, Belton, TX Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:37:16 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250171 Actually, I'm getting a little confused. Florida's votes don't count, now Michigans' aren't going to reflect the Democratic party's preferences. Perhaps, just perhaps, maybe voting uncommitted is, like, voting for the "Team" of Hillary and Bill incognito-wise. I sincerely hope not. My Grandkids deserve much better! Actually, I'm getting a little confused. Florida's votes don't count, now Michigans' aren't going to reflect the Democratic party's preferences. Perhaps, just perhaps, maybe voting uncommitted is, like, voting for the "Team" of Hillary and Bill incognito-wise.

I sincerely hope not. My Grandkids deserve much better!

]]> By: Laz http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250143 Laz Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:22:50 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250143 Jose, are you confirming that the Clintons not only morally shamed America with unethical conduct but also 'looted' the white house furniture? I am baffled as I thought it was just a media snap :( Jose, are you confirming that the Clintons not only morally shamed America with unethical conduct but also 'looted' the white house furniture?

I am baffled as I thought it was just a media snap :(

]]> By: Republican1657 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250131 Republican1657 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:19:48 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250131 Could it be democratic leader inter-party monkey business scheduling the vote in mid-January knowing that Michigan would be stripped of its delegates? "...but party leaders in the electoral-vote rich state have expressed confidence that they will be seated at the convention." This seems to have been planned for a reason...knowing that the uncommitted option is available and the Clinton egos are far too large to pull the Clinton name from the Michigan ballot. Smooth move Michigan Democrats! Could it be democratic leader inter-party monkey business scheduling the vote in mid-January knowing that Michigan would be stripped of its delegates? "...but party leaders in the electoral-vote rich state have expressed confidence that they will be seated at the convention." This seems to have been planned for a reason...knowing that the uncommitted option is available and the Clinton egos are far too large to pull the Clinton name from the Michigan ballot.

Smooth move Michigan Democrats!

]]> By: AS http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250126 AS Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:18:03 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250126 You know..... I'm trying to figure out why our electoral system seems to be getting more and more convoluted. How is anyone supposed to know what's going on when there are more loopholes than a Congressional Budget Bill??? "Hi, I'm a democrat, and I voted for noone. Yet" You know.....

I'm trying to figure out why our electoral system seems to be getting more and more convoluted. How is anyone supposed to know what's going on when there are more loopholes than a Congressional Budget Bill???

"Hi, I'm a democrat, and I voted for noone. Yet"

]]> By: Joelle, Milwaukee, WI http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250119 Joelle, Milwaukee, WI Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:16:22 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250119 PRAYU: You REALLY sound INDEPENDENT! How long have you been blogging for the NOBAMA CAMPAIGN? PRAYU: You REALLY sound INDEPENDENT!

How long have you been blogging for the NOBAMA CAMPAIGN?

]]> By: Jake, Milwaukee, WI http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250083 Jake, Milwaukee, WI Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:59:15 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250083 Michigan whiners wanted CHANGE, and now you have it! DEAL WITH IT! Besides, GM "KNOWS how African-Americans will vote in DEEEETROIT! " CNN has already called the MI primary for NObama! Hey, it's a done deal! [IF you continue to shed tears, we'll have to call all of you HILLARY!] IF you FEEL - We know you don't THINK - that it's unfair: TOUGH! You cretins wanted CHANGE: YOU GOT IT! JUST DEAL WITH IT! Michigan whiners wanted CHANGE, and now you have it!

DEAL WITH IT!

Besides, GM "KNOWS how African-Americans will vote in DEEEETROIT! "

CNN has already called the MI primary for NObama!

Hey, it's a done deal! [IF you continue to shed tears, we'll have to call all of you HILLARY!]

IF you FEEL – We know you don't THINK – that it's unfair: TOUGH!

You cretins wanted CHANGE: YOU GOT IT!

JUST DEAL WITH IT!

]]> By: Tim Calhoun '08, Moreno Valley, CA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250060 Tim Calhoun '08, Moreno Valley, CA Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:46:56 +0000 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/10/unexpected-wrinkle-for-clinton-in-michigan/#comment-250060 You people are hilarious. Two weeks ago, every single comment on these pages accused CNN of being biased towards Hillary, or dismissed CNN as the "Clinton News Network." Suddenly Obama wins Iowa and picks up momentum and everyone here is accusing CNN of being biased towards Obama and too negative on Hillary. This is asinine. Hillary was BY AND LARGE considered the "inevitable" Democratic frontrunner for OVER A YEAR and was practically treated like royalty by every media source. As for this particular story...not surprising. Hillary will do anything to get elected, even if it means bending the rules and going against the decisions of party officials. You people are hilarious. Two weeks ago, every single comment on these pages accused CNN of being biased towards Hillary, or dismissed CNN as the "Clinton News Network." Suddenly Obama wins Iowa and picks up momentum and everyone here is accusing CNN of being biased towards Obama and too negative on Hillary. This is asinine. Hillary was BY AND LARGE considered the "inevitable" Democratic frontrunner for OVER A YEAR and was practically treated like royalty by every media source.

As for this particular story...not surprising. Hillary will do anything to get elected, even if it means bending the rules and going against the decisions of party officials.

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