January 11, 2008
Posted: 01:21 PM ET
Kucinich is calling for a recount of New Hampshire.
Kucinich is calling for a recount of New Hampshire.

CONCORD, New Hampshire (AP) — Democrat Dennis Kucinich, who won less than 2 percent of the vote in the New Hampshire primary, said Thursday he wants a recount to ensure that all ballots in his party's contest were counted.

The Ohio congressman cited "serious and credible reports, allegations and rumors" about the integrity of Tuesday results.

Deputy Secretary of State David Scanlan said Kucinich is entitled to a statewide recount. But, under New Hampshire law, Kucinich will have to pay for it. Scanlan said he had "every confidence" the results are accurate.

In a letter dated Thursday, Kucinich said he does not expect significant changes in his vote total, but wants assurance that "100 percent of the voters had 100 percent of their votes counted."

Kucinich alluded to online reports alleging disparities around the state between hand-counted ballots, which tended to favor Sen. Barack Obama, and machine-counted ones that tended to favor Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. He also noted the difference between pre-election polls, which indicated Obama would win, and Clinton's triumph by a 39 percent to 37 percent margin.

Candidates who lose by 3 percentage or less are entitled to a recount for a $2,000 fee. Candidates who lose by more must pay for the full cost. Kucinich's campaign said it was sending the $2,000 fee to start the recount.

Scanlon said his office had received several phone calls since Tuesday, mostly from outside the state, questioning the results. New Hampshire's voting machines are not linked in any way, which
Scanlon says reduce the likelihood of tampering with results on a statewide level. Also, the results can be checked against paper ballots.

"I think people from out of state don't completely understand how our process works and they compare it to the system that might exist in Florida or Ohio, where they have had serious problems," he said. "Perhaps the best thing that could happen for us is to have a recount to show the people that … the votes that were cast on election day were accurately reflected in the results. And I have every confidence that will be the case."

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Pat   January 21st, 2008 12:39 pm ET

Dennis Kucinich is relevant and will win in the Northeastern states and ultimately the White House. Why is everyone so afraid of Congressman Kucinich, because he wants impeachment of George and Dick, investigations into the lies told to the American people and to Congress, the murder of 4,000 US troops and the permanent disabilites of hundreds of thousands of our military, is it the no-bid contracts, is it the raping of our treasury and the bankrupting of our nation, is it the ruthless slaughter of more than a million Iraq citizens, our unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation, is it the victims of hurricane Katrina that were ignored by this administration, is it the cronyism, is it the outing of a covert CIA operative for political gain, is it the downing street memo proving that going to war was a conspiracy by this administration, is it the commuting of Scooter Libby's sentence for lying to a grand jury, is it the swift boating of Kerry in 2004 by a president that was himself AWOL, is it the presidency being stolen from Al Gore in 2000?

What ever your reason… Dennis Kucinich is relevant, Dennis Kucinich is truly the voice of Progressive Democrats and Dennis Kucinich will be our next President in 2008.

I look forward to this administration being held accountable, being tried for war crimes and ending as every other dictatorship… Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and Rice swinging at the end of a noose.

Kucinich in 2008

EUROPEAN ONLOOKER   January 21st, 2008 10:00 am ET

Is this recount still going on? What were the results?

It seems like there is a media blackout on this subject - I cant find information anywhere - whats going on - can anyone tell me?

Hilary keeps on winning though (surprise surprise surprise). OMG Hilary Clinton in the whitehouse, come on the people of USA, this is going to be worst than Bush (if any different).

Please please please do something.

AO   January 18th, 2008 7:43 pm ET

Thank u….. KLee

Greg Chapman   January 18th, 2008 11:38 am ET

Dennis is right. The machines are grossly inaccurate. The designers of the machines has admitted this to congress. I am an engineer. I can safely say, if you want an accurate vote count, it has to be done by hand. There is no other way. It's the honest way.

jibbguy   January 18th, 2008 9:05 am ET

UPDATE: In the first days of recount, already serious problems have been found. In one town, 550 votes were counted as "blank" because of the wrong ink being used. Also, problems with procedure were discoved (…like missing diebold memory cards, and who is supposed to be holding them)…. Which would never have been noticed if the recount hadn't happened.

AND THAT WAS ONLY THE FIRST DAY.

Jose from the Bay   January 17th, 2008 5:16 pm ET

Republican… Democrat.. .They are both the same these days. Whichever gets voted in the government will not change. Except for one…

Greg Smyth   January 17th, 2008 11:01 am ET

Unfortunitely HILLARY is starting to look more and more like BRITNEY.

observer   January 17th, 2008 4:09 am ET

2008 New Hampshire Democratic Primary Results –
Machine vs Hand (RonRox.com) 09 Jan 2008

Hillary Clinton, Diebold Accuvote optical scan: 40.121%
Clinton, Hand Counted Paper Ballots: 34.703%

Barack Obama, Diebold Accuvote optical scan: 35.756%
Obama, Hand Counted Paper Ballots: 38.785%

Machine vs Hand:
Clinton: 5.419% (15,584 votes)
Obama: -3.029% (-8,711 votes)

just a simple question….why ?

Roy   January 17th, 2008 4:01 am ET

Watch "Orwell Rolls In his Grave" for free on google video to see what's really going on.

How can there be so many Hillary supporters? SHE VOTED FOR THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL PATRIOT ACT TWICE! SHE VOTED TO LABEL AN ARM OF THE IRANIAN MILITARY AS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION IN A BILL THAT GIVES THAT PRESIDENT THE POWER TO GO TO WAR WITH IRAN WHENEVER HE WANTS! Hillary is just another Putin in disguise and if you people really think that Kucinich is doing this to win, then you can't read or you've been brainwashed, and if you think that those voting machines are reliable when the Chief Executive of the company that makes the machines, Diebold, was a top fund raiser for G W Bush then you're more insane that someone who claims to have seen an object that was not on land that he wasn't able to identify! Shame on you, traitors. Orwell really must be rolling in his grave.

Richard Andre   January 16th, 2008 9:30 pm ET

I am no an Obama supporter; in fact I am a register republican. It is interested that NBC went to court to prevent Kucinich appearing on the debate in Nevada. One of the reason for this censorship is that they are afraid that Kucinich will talk about what happen in New Hampshire. The polls were actually correct; indeed there was a fraud benefiting the so-called surprised winner. Eventually the American people will know the truth. And when that happens the propensity will clearly go toward the leader with the sound judgment not the divider. Kucinich really believe that there was a fraud. He supports this belief with hard cash, by paying for the recounts that is now in order. Kucinich believes that Barrack Obama has won the New Hampshire primary; And Hillary Clinton came in second, if the machines were left breached. Technicians who support the Diebold machine were allowed to break the security seal to change the memory card on the very diebold scanning machine during the Election Day under the pretense that the diebold machine broke down. There seems to be evidence that the surprise winner got a bump of +4.5% and the second candidate’s votes count were subtracting by 2.5%

CONCERNED IN THE UK   January 16th, 2008 5:15 pm ET

JJWB THAT POSTING COULD COME FROM GEORGE W BUSH HIMSELF

I look at postings like jjwb and it becomes clear what is wrong with the USA (apart from being ruled by a bunch of elitist crooks).

I WOULD NOT MIND SO MUCH (PEOPLE LIKE jjwb DESERVE EVERYTHING THATS COMING TO THEM) BUT THE PLANET REALLY NEEDS CHANGE FROM THIS CURRENT TYRANNY (IT AINT JUST HAPPENING IN THE STATES) - HILARY IS JUST KEEPING WITH THE CURRENT STATUS QUO.

ITS PLAIN TO SEE THE MAJORITY OF EURPEANS BELIEVE SO:

Bust your rigged voting system (IF YOU CAN RIG A VOTE YOU CAN RIG A RECOUNT) CLAIM BACK YOUR ONCE GREAT CONSTITUTION BEFORE YOU LOSE THE RIGHT TO YOUR ONCE GREAT FREE REPUBLIC.

KLee   January 16th, 2008 5:06 pm ET

In response to AO:
No, the recount of the Democratic primary will not include Republican primary votes, but Republican Albert Howard of Michigan has asked for a re-count of the Republican primary (and paid $56,000).

KLee   January 16th, 2008 4:59 pm ET

The article above that started this l-o-n-g discussion has incorrect - or at least confusing - information about the cost of the recount. According the Associated Press, Kucinich has already paid $27,000 (not just $2000) to start the recount. He can stop it at any time, but it would cost about $70,000 to re-count the entire state.

Mark Boston, MA   January 16th, 2008 2:58 pm ET

Wow, have you all even read the article you're commenting on?
Kucinich has said that it's not about *his* numbers.
Sorry, there is *no* valid argument against double checking the system as long as he's laying out his own cash (BTW, that's $2000 + expenses).
This guy has sack, and he's proven it over and over.

AO   January 15th, 2008 7:55 pm ET

I'll ask the question again………

January 13, 2008 7:27 pm ET

Does anyone know…Would a Kucinich recount include a recount of casted votes of both parties..???

Thank You…….

Truth   January 15th, 2008 1:00 pm ET

I think the first few comments are media planted. You can't really say anything bad about Kucicnich trying to uphold the constitution unless you have money to lose. And the corporate media does. If you want to see just how decieptful and manipulative the media can be just watch "The Revolution Will not Be Televised". Scary stuff… but only if you believe you don't have the power to change it.

USA IN TROUBLE   January 14th, 2008 6:19 pm ET

I am watching your election from UK. Reading this blog is scary, the amount of people ridiculcising this man for excercising his rights in your so called democracy.

THE US of A IS SURELY IN BIG TROUBLE. CLAIM BACK YOUR CONSTITION IT IS CLEAR TO SEE IT HAS BEEN HIJACKED.

Only people that supported Bush in the last election will support Hilary now (docile moronic sheep). At least the planet has a glimmer of hope with Obama. They will never allow Obama to be president - are you for real - reading the majority of this blog NO YOU ARE NOT (MSM BS).

WAKE UP AMERICA, TAKE BACK YOUR COUNTRY.

Lonnie   January 14th, 2008 1:47 pm ET

Amazing to see so many people scared of double checking the results of something as important as a presidential campaign. You would think we would do whatever we could to be sure that the results are authentic after the nightmare we have endured for the past seven years.

Craig of Salisbury   January 14th, 2008 12:20 pm ET

Certifying the results of an election should be standard practice. When a candidate calls for a recount s/he is exercising their right. In this case, due to the enormity of irregularities, it is wise and prudent to have a recount.

As far as the idea that "American elections are always perfect", what kind of nonsense is that? America, and Americans, risk the same kind of failures as people from other countries. We err in what we do and how we do things just like other people do, and, we should learn from these mistakes and mis-steps. Unfortunately, so many times we think of ourselves as being right all the time–as near perfect. Again, what nonsense!

The recount is necessary. Has anyone thought about the consequence if the recount reveals some tampering? That would be interesting …

Let's chart a new course to navigate our journey into the future. Obama and Edwards.

Craig

Major Senior   January 14th, 2008 12:10 pm ET

Why this whole exchange of vulgar and nonsense when we know the right measures to take when one requests for vote recount. Let the votes be recounted, then we will know without doubt who is right. This attack against Sen. Kucinich makes me all more suspicious about the counting. When the hard truth gets really bittter even the normally sensible people behave irrationally. Why panic? Follow the rules and minimise on disruptive nonsense. Let us prove we are civilised.
Thank you Americans

Jeremiah   January 14th, 2008 5:52 am ET

Go Kucinich! I don't agree with some of his more socialist policies, but GAWDDAMIT I want fair elections. Ignorant idiots posting on this site that think this is all about sore looser syndrome are making me doubt this country can make it another 20 years without a "constitutional" dictatorship coming to power. Take a little time to research the problems with the computerized vote casting and tallying systems and you'll be cheering for every hand recount that we can get!!!

AM   January 14th, 2008 5:03 am ET

Kucinich is crazy!!! American elections are always perfect, Kucinich is pulling this stuff out of his ass! I mean when have the powers-that-be seemed to decide an election in their favor rather than the will of the American people??? Yeah, it's never happened, those who question the motives of the powers-that be are just plain kooky…Besides, how could it possibly benefit the Republicans or anybody else for that matter to run against Hillary Clinton thn Barack Obama??? Everybody loves Hillary!!

Daniel   January 14th, 2008 12:36 am ET

Why oh why are there so many moronic comments here? Did no one read the article??

He's not doing this for HIMSELF! He's not attempting to gain any additional votes. He's not doing this for his campaign. This has absolutely nothing to do with him and everything to do with the integrity of the election process. He's doing this for US! How can you people not realize this?

He's standing up for your votes! None of the other politicians had the balls to do it. But Kucinich heeded to public demand and he's putting this effort through to make certain that the people are being heard and that we have a true unadulterated democracy.

Olivia   January 13th, 2008 11:14 pm ET

Go Kucinich! I had the same doubt about the results when I heard there was such a disparity between the polls and the vote. The same thing happened when Howard Dean lost some years ago, the polls said he was going to win then he didn't. The difference between the Iowa Caucuses and the primary is the voting machine. At the caucuses, people vote in a room. The New Hampshire primary is based on the ballot and voting machine. Again, we see the machine tends to pick one candidate over another. I think he needs to do this, not to improve his chances of winning but to prove there is credibility to the voting machine. Democracy depends on trusting that our elections are not tampered with.

tiltowwhirl   January 13th, 2008 9:48 pm ET

It definitely sounds like foul play. I just donated $50.00 to Obama. I hope he spends some of his campaign money on some good lawyers that can keep the nomination from being stolen from him. I used to respect Hillary, but she has gone over to the dark side, and continues to defend her support of the Iraq invasion. The democrats need a candidate who can win the white house, and that's not Hillary. The conservatives want her to be the democratic nominee because they know she can't win in the general election. I think a lot of them have been busy on here, pretending to be more than one person. OBAMA ALL THE WAY IN '08!!!

AO   January 13th, 2008 7:27 pm ET

Does anyone know…Would a Kucinich recount include a recount of casted votes of both parties..???

Tom Davie   January 13th, 2008 4:28 pm ET

Dear Obama Radicals that embarras your candidate.

Has Obama - I mean Kucinich -proved Hillary wuz 'cheetin' yet?

No?

Ok , move on to playing the RACE CARD.

VoterFraudContinues   January 13th, 2008 1:47 pm ET

There's definitely something wrong with the election results in NH and that's why I like the Iowa Caucus process where you can physically see who the community supports and there's no worry about RIGGED VOTING MACHINES!!!!!!

By the way, in some parts of the country in the 2004 Presidential election there were similar disparities between paper ballots and machine counts - hmmmmmm…….

Vman   January 13th, 2008 1:18 pm ET

pondarama January 11, 2008 9:59 pm ET

If there appears to be a valid disparity then the recount should be conducted.

True words. It is Karl Roves goal to invalidate exit polling.

Many discrepancies are appearing in the precint by precint investigation being conducted as I write. Check out Brad Blog. For all the polls to get it wrong is a statistical problem that requires investigation. Period!

Folks who degrade anyones efforts at a recount undermine our democracy through bogus rants and their undemocratic intentions, not to mention their blind trust in technology and companies that over and over again have failed. We use election polls to validate other country's elections, but ours are inaccuarate?

Ignore the sheeple that berate Kucinich and voting integrity, they are fools and not worthy of our consideration. or the time of day.

jjwv   January 13th, 2008 12:43 pm ET

iF HILLARY WAS SCARED OF A RECOUNT WOUNDN'T YOU THINK SHE WOULD HAVE COME FORWARD AND DEMANDED FOR THE RECOUNT TO NOT TAKE PLACE. I THINK KUCINICH NEEDS HIS HEAD EXAMINED AND NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THE RACE. WE ALL KNOW HE IS AN OBAMA SUPPORTER AND IN IOWA, WHEN HE DIDN'T REACH 15% TOLD HIS SUPPORTERS TO GO TO OBAMA. I THINK HE IS JUST TRYING TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK LIKE A GOOD VICE PRESIDENT CANDIDATE FOR OBAMA IF HE WINS THE NOMINATION(WHICH HE WONT, CHECK THE POLLS, HILLARY IS WAY AHEAD IN ALL POLLS EXCEPT SOUTH CAROLINA). I THINK OBAMA PUT HIM UP TO DO THIS. I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA, HIS SPEECHES DOESN'T MAKE HEADS OR TAILS EXCEPT THAT IF YOU LOOK UP WHAT HE IS SAYING, HE IS TAKING A LOT OF HIS SPEACHES FROM THE PAST, SOME OF THE GREATEST SPEACHES LIKE JFK AND MARTIN LURTHER KING, JR. IF OBAMA SOMEHOW GETS THE NOMINATION THEN WHEN THE GENERAL ELECTION HAPPENS IN NOVEMBER, I WILL VOTE REPUBLICAN.

HILLARY ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!!

Loretta Chicago IL   January 13th, 2008 8:59 am ET

All I can say is thank you, Dennis Kucinich. It IS in the best interests of our democracy that any challenge over voting should be addressed.
He paid the initial $2000 fee, but if i read the article correctly, there will be additional fees imposed for the process at some point. At that point, I will be more than happy to pitch in.

MIGUEL NOREIKA   January 13th, 2008 8:04 am ET

GET SERIOUS DENNIS. YOU ARE RIDICULOUS. I HAVE SUPPORTED YOU IN THE PAST BUT I THINK YOUR MIND IN GOING. WHAT WILL A RECOUNT PROVE.? BY THE WAY I'M VOTING FOR THE CANDIDATE WITH THE STRONGEST ANTI- ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION PLAN. SO FAR IT LOOKS LIKE ROMNEY.
MIGUEL

Mildred Alpern   January 13th, 2008 7:35 am ET

Comment from NYT January 11th,
2008
6:54 pm
The media needs to deal with this because the odds must be astronomical against this happening:
“Analysts at the Election Defense Alliance (EDA) have confirmed that based on the official results on the New Hampshire Secretary of state web site, there is a remarkable relationship between Obama and Clinton votes, when you look at votes tabulated by op-scan v. votes tabulated by hand:
Clinton Optical scan 91,717 52.95%
Obama Optical scan 81,495 47.05%
Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%
Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%
The percentages appear to be swapped. That seems highly unusual, to say the least.”
When I was first reading about this the other day, I thought it had to be fraud. Now, I wonder if the optical scan votes were ever counted. Maybe New Hampshire just picked up the tabulation of the hand counted votes and reversed the names for Clinton and Obama. What else could possibly explain it????
— Posted by Carmen Archambault

From The Caucus NYT Politics Blog
Candidates Push for a NH Recount. Jan 11, 2008

Dee   January 13th, 2008 6:31 am ET

A lot of people here assumes that a recount will benefit Obama. A recount could just as easily show that Clinton had even more votes, and the Pre-election polls were even more wrong! As to busing people in to illegally vote? Lets see… a 50 passenger bus…so 7500 votes, divided by 50=150 buses. That's a lot of buses to hide!

jankvkleve   January 13th, 2008 5:31 am ET

Reading over the above responses, I cannot believe how many people do not seem to care one way or the other whether or not the electronic voting machines were hacked.

It does matter, folks. If elections are not guaranteed to be free and fair, we might as well go back to settling leadership questions with weapons.

Tom Creald   January 13th, 2008 5:07 am ET

Obama won in the places where there were hand counts. See for yourself

http://checkthevotes.com/index.php?party=DEMOCRATS

hugh   January 13th, 2008 2:52 am ET

haha funny kucinich, you're the man.

WW   January 13th, 2008 2:37 am ET

It's pretty clear to me that most people posting here know nothing about the problems with the Diebold machines that continue to be used in NH.

This call for recount, which by the way is useless without an investigation into the possession and transfer of the individuals' vote, is not about any single candidate or political party. It is about the integrity of our votes.

For more info watch "Hacking Democracy."

http://www.hackingdemocracy.com/

ohio-bearcat   January 13th, 2008 2:37 am ET

kucinich told his supporters to support obama during the iowa caucuses. this is absolutely an effort to get his friend barack the victory in nh. im really not putting it past hillary to turn away while someone made sure the results would be better for her in nh. kucinich shouldnt go home though because guys like him and paul stand for liberties that few politicians have the guts to go beyond their words and stand for in regards to free beliefs.
as stated before, this is a ploy to help out mr. obama, and i hope with my heart that barack wins should there be a recount…

Lydia   January 13th, 2008 1:46 am ET

I personally think it a good idea to have an automatic recount everytime the polls and results are way different. How many experts stated that polls have never been off by that many points before? It seemed odd Edwards came in so low after being second in Iowa.
Better to be safe than sorry. If this is a true democracy we should make every effort to make sure the count is accurate. Special interests should not rule the country by fixing elections.

Joe Shea, Bradenton, Fla.   January 13th, 2008 1:21 am ET

It's certainly intriguing that the exit polls were so far off the actual results, and I think that alone makes this recount worth it,. But the $2,000 is only the beginning of the cost, as the Kucinich campaign said.

Matthew   January 13th, 2008 12:58 am ET

After viewing almost half of the comment on this site, I kept seeing the same thing over and over again. A majority of people are crying and complaining about the recount,

"why are they doing that, they are just trying to hurt Hillary's win"… "why is he asking for a recount, if the votes are off, he will only gain another percent, he doesnt have a chance"…. "why is he wasting his time, even if something went wrong he won't win."

Now if you are an American citizen, concerned about the character, integrety, and honesty of the American Democratic system, this recount is important. You should be concerned about the results. There was some funny things happening. Hopefully they were simply human errors, but if they are not, there is a real problem that needs to be addressed, because if there is fraud in N.H. it must be prevented in other states.

This is not an issue of partisan favoring, or whining to get your way, to help Obama, to deface Hillary. This is about the fairness and accuracy of our voting process. We saw what happened in the previous election, why is everyone so willing to say it won't happen again, when we are using the same exact system, with the same exact people in control.

Don't be so lacking of intellegence. Things can go bad, they have gone bad before. America is far from perfect, that is becoming more and more evident each day. This is a precaution to check various inconsistencies in the N.H. voting process.

If you really care about your country, your life, your childrens life, and your futures, you should be happy they are doing this.

another Tony   January 13th, 2008 12:17 am ET

It says he payed $2000 to "start" the recount. Is the problem the leftist side of the party, or is it that you don't read carefully?

Tom Davie   January 13th, 2008 12:16 am ET

has obama -I mean Kucinich- figured out if Clinton wuz 'cheetin' yet ?

lol.

joe   January 13th, 2008 12:09 am ET

A recount is needed because there was a 15% swing from the polls to the vote for Hillary. The Repubs want to face Hillary in November. Would they hack the optical scanners in order to shoo her in? The optical scanners have been proven hackable and should be checked with a hand count by both parties…… Let the recount begin!!!!!!!!!!!

Mark Murray UT   January 12th, 2008 11:39 pm ET

A recount is necessary even if it doesn't change any of the outcomes. The reason is to help guard against voter fraud. the optical scanning voting machines used in NH are extremely vulnerable to hacking, and if fraud of any sort occurred we must know as soon as possible so that the problem can be more readily detected and stamped out.

j. m.adam   January 12th, 2008 11:30 pm ET

why after 24 hours does the cnn politics page still say" kucinich calls for a
recount " instead of "new hampshire secretary of state orders a recount starting
on wednesday."…….is cnn in denial?

David   January 12th, 2008 10:44 pm ET

I wouldn't doubt that team Obama put him up to this to try and get an outcry from Hillary. Go ahead and recount them cry baby. Hey Dennis, you aren't going to win - why are you wasting tax paying dollars with this - go back to Washington and do some work.

Christopher   January 12th, 2008 10:35 pm ET

If anything the recount would help Ron Paul, who if anyone would be getting voter fraud. That is of course if they counted the dems and repubican votes and the recount may just be for dems.

Tom Davie   January 12th, 2008 10:22 pm ET

then i guess every single voting booth was rigged .

Clinton led the primary from the very start until the end by an even 2 -4 %.

How do you possibly explain that ?

Every single machine 'rigged' magically somehow.

You are just proving more and more to be an EMBARRASMENT to Senator Obama . He surely doesnt want people like you for his endorsement.

People are going to see this as DIRTY politics. Crybaby whining. It turns people right off.

Ian   January 12th, 2008 10:08 pm ET

Dennis Kucinich knows it will not help his candidacy for president and is a hero for trying to fix our most important form of democracy: OUR VOTING POWER.

1 —- THE COMPANY IN CHARGE OF THE ELECTRONIC VOTES HAS A CONVICTED COCAINE DEALER AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF AUTHORITY

2 —- MANY TOWNSHIPS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT WITH ZERO COUNTS FOR RON PAUL WHERE WHOLE FAMILIES VOTED FOR HIM

3 — EMPTY BALLOT BOXES HAVE BEEN FOUND

4 — ALL EXIT POLLS WERE SHOWING DIFFERENT RESULTS FOR BARACK OBAMA

5 — PAPER BALLOTS (20% of the state) ARE SHOWING MAJOR DIFFERENCES BETWEEN DIEBOLD MACHINES (80% of the state).

6 — A QUESTIONABLE SINGLE COMPANY HAS CONTROL OF ALL DIEBOLD MACHINES IN THE STATE AND TO MAKE MEMORY CHANGES DURING THE ELECTION

7 — PEOPLE WERE CONVICTED IN 2006 FOR BALLOT STUFFING IN 2004 ELECTION

A smart person can quickly find credible sources for each of my claims above and would welcome a recount which validates the one power WE THE PEOPLE have to shape our government. A stupid person will just say I’m a conspiracy theorist and not do any research.

Luis Asprino   January 12th, 2008 9:32 pm ET

God, Kucinich your never going to win, just get it over with, if Obama lost by only 3 percent and didnt call for it, why should you, maybe youll even loose by more I wont be surprised. Let Hillary have her win for goodness sake, keep this race interesting, and I dont think she won by cheating, NO, just as I dont think mccain won by cheating or that obama won by cheating in iowa. This race is MUCH more interesting with two GREAT candidates as Clinton and Obama competing, only in this harsh competition will we see who can better handle crisis and can stay moderately positive when in a difficulty. Obama already showed lack of that, when he said he was going to run only a positive campaign and when seeing that he was loosing, by A LOT, do the opposite.

JENN   January 12th, 2008 9:12 pm ET

If someone tells you they are giving you a thousand dollars and there is only $800, you would obviously recount your money to see if you added wrong or if they counted wrong. This is the same thing. The vote is not being questioned, but the discrepancy between preliminary polls and the final count is. Polls showed a large lead by Obama, but the final count shows he lost. If the count is correct and Kucinich is willing to pay,so be it. We really need to question the way elections are determined, that's a whole other issue.

primrose   January 12th, 2008 8:14 pm ET

Kudos to you Mr. Kucinich…better to find out now if all our votes are being accuretly counted….all districts in all states need to have paper trails. These machines cannot be trusted with the future of America!

John Haigh, Arbor Vitae, Wi.   January 12th, 2008 8:05 pm ET

Hey Tom Davie- A Clinton lead going into the NH primary? What polls were you looking at and on what planet? Clinton was LOSING on all polls days before and right up till the voting took place! For her to overtake a double digit loss on election day is a one in two million three hundred and fifty five chance. How about them facts?

Msimbazy   January 12th, 2008 8:02 pm ET

Kucinich just have a beer you will feel alright, nobody wants you, U are diminishing fast by sundown we will never remember your look or name,get out while you can it might B your last campaign.
Democrats should stop fighting and give the republicans more ammunitions 2 fight you back. Obama says Change am black but l dont know what can he change, he will better start outlining what iz he gonna change before the word change suffocating ME. Wash DC is a place where many politicians forget to change. Now its a trade mark what ever Hillary or Billy will say its RACE issue what a shame you AfrAmer taking side 4, all of a sudden Billy Clinton has made a racial remark, whooo fairly tale have been there before Hillary or Obama were born, Blacks in US are loosing their focus,2 much hip hop. Get on the line and talk about issues.
Mzee Msimbazy

Ncenigma   January 12th, 2008 7:51 pm ET

Good news as far as I am concerned,…. regardless of the findings… it will put the issue FINALLY to rest. Lets see what happens?

Tom Davie   January 12th, 2008 7:49 pm ET

Andrew.

We all know the ENTIRE republican party HATES Ron Paul , including the media etc…..

What about the democratic party.

I will give the guy credit if he proves the REPUBLICAN vote was rigged.

The primary was 2-4% Clinton lead the entire way from start to finish. Its dubious to think every single voting machine was rigged.

dmhkh   January 12th, 2008 7:27 pm ET

Who is demanding the recount Obama?? Why is hiding behind Dennis Kucinich? Kucinich is not entitled to a recount, however Obama is. Let's get the facts straight here. Obama is trying to damage Hillary Clintons
reputation and unfairly so. I think it is time people stop calling this candiate a nice guy - He is not, And Dennis I liked your ideas, but when did you turn into such a Whimp!! Shame on you Dennis. And shame on New Hampshire if they doa recount for him for $2000. If it truley is Dennis Kucinich demanding the recount, let him cough up about $250 grand to pay for the entire true cost of the recount. Obviously heihas become a mole for the Barack Hussein Obama campaign. Good by Dennis, from now on you are history to me.

Jenkins From NH   January 12th, 2008 6:32 pm ET

I think it's great that he's doing this. Why is it such a problem for the hitler supporters I mean Hillary supporters for the recount? The neo-con wearing a liberal uniform shouldn't have a problem with the recount what so ever is the communist leader I mean Hillary won fair and square…

andrew   January 12th, 2008 6:31 pm ET

you all do realize that there has been evidence of voter tampering in NH already… in Sutton County they left 31 votes for Ron Paul off the results and many other counties did similar things as well… you may thing 31 votes isn't that much, but in a county where there were only 290 registered voters that is very significant. Good call by Kucinich.

Frank, MI, NY, GA, CA   January 12th, 2008 6:29 pm ET

Hey Dennis:

You don't have a right to a recount after loosing by so much. Ask Shirley McClain to use her powers to help you out or maybe one of those alien friends of yours.

come on!

Suanne   January 12th, 2008 5:59 pm ET

Dennis Kucinch is not doing this for himself, he is doing it for us! Albert Howard, a very minor candidate, has also requested a recount of the Republican votes. He is doing this for us too. Stop criticizing these patriots who are trying to make sure our votes are actually counted. The presidency and the future of our country and the world is at stake. Some are now suggesting that what is really needed is a full audit. It is being suggested that we should call this number:
Location: State House, Room 204, Concord, N.H. 03301
Phone: 603-271-3242 Fax: 603-271-6316
on Monday morning and demand an audit.

If our elections are rigged, then we already live in a fascist country, and all hope is lost. I am a Ron Paul supporter, and it has been confirmed that he was not given votes that were rightfully his. The corporate media and the whole "establishment" is against him because he is on our side! He is the only one who tells us what we NEED to hear, instead of what we WANT to hear.

Ron Paul wants to restore the Constitution and our civil liberties, end the wars, bring the troops home from all over the world, so they can actually DEFEND this country instead of OFFENDING other countries, repeal the Patriot Act and other unconstitutional legislation passed by the current administration, eliminate the IRS and the income tax, greatly reduce the size and power of the federal government, end the "War on Drugs," etc. He is the only one who knows how to fix our economy before America is bankrupt and the dollar totally collapses, and he intends to do it. If he was receiving any sort of fair coverage, and if our elections were fair, he would be winning in a landslide!

V. Leonard   January 12th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

I hope he volunteers to pay for a recount here in Ohio… sure could've used one last time 'round…

no name   January 12th, 2008 5:48 pm ET

this is unreasonable just because he came last and hillary clinton win.

okc329   January 12th, 2008 5:48 pm ET

JTV, I don't understantd your comment. Don't you understand that it's because the politicians may have dealt with it that it bears further scrutiny?

Tom Davie   January 12th, 2008 5:46 pm ET

So , has Obama - oops, I mean Kucinich - proved the vote was 'rigged' yet or what?

Benton Nelson, Indianapolis, IN   January 12th, 2008 5:26 pm ET

He wants to make sure the alliens votes on that ufo he saw were counted. long live and prosper dennis

Jon The Viking   January 12th, 2008 5:02 pm ET

How about all the whiners just stfu and let the politicians deal with it?

Veronica Ward   January 12th, 2008 4:58 pm ET

Why didn't they add that a woman and her family in Sutton, NH placed 31 votes for Ron Paul that were not added to the total count. This is a fact, that can easily be verified. NH conceded that they made a mistake.

I don't care who your voting for this is outrageous and I don't understand why all of us (bloggers - even the negative ones) don't see this as a major issue. Why doesn't the media talk about the whole story and how there are numerous people who KNOW for sure that they're votes weren't counted and NH is very aware of these. I wonder why NH didn't call for a recountr themselves, especially after offering an apology to the woman in Sutton.

If we can't trust our vote, how can we claim we have a democracy. NO ONE SHOULD EVEN QUESTION this if we truly care about the integrity of our system. Who's checking the checker. I'm afraid this one is too late to catch but shoudn't we at least praise Kucinich for having the guts to say, what we were all dying to say. the same day the results were announced?

This is not something to bicker about, but it should make us think about what's going on here and if our votes really do count or are we controlled by the system (corporations, media, hackers, etc).

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but this sounds very scary to me! By the way, I was a Hilary Clinton supporter. This is not about winning, it's about us.

bonniehanover   January 12th, 2008 4:55 pm ET

Get your facts right! Kucinich has agreed to pay for the entire recount. The $2K is just for starters. He can stop the count at any time he feels his questions are answered. He has an absolute right to ask for the count and his reasons are no one's business. He is not the only one asking this question. The word around our town is the same question: "How could the polls have it this far off?" Many of us want to see this recount. I worked at the polls as a challenger and I saw some things that were NOT RIGHT!
This would not be the first time there has been monkey business and we need to make certain NOW that it does not screw up this election.

okc329   January 12th, 2008 4:48 pm ET

I support a recount. If the Clintons are smart and if they are not guilty of any mis-deeds, they should call up Dennis and offer to go 50-50 on the costs of the recount. As for the vote counting machines not being networked, that doesn't matter. All that would have to be done is for sombody to slip the hack into the firmware that runs the machine when they are sent out the door. Somebody should look at when these machines were last "reflashed" and why.

oc-guy   January 12th, 2008 4:02 pm ET

To all who are upset at Dennis Kuchinish's request for recount. Please go to his web-site and read his own words on why he demands the recount instead of commenting based on the title of the newas-ticker.

He is interested in ensuring the integrity of the election process. In that he servs us all.

OC-Guy   January 12th, 2008 3:30 pm ET

Why did the moderator take my post out?!!!!!!!!!!

I am not the only one posting links

At least have the guts to send me an email as to why you took my post out,

William   January 12th, 2008 3:27 pm ET

Kucinich is paying for the entirety. The $2,000 is a deposit.

Washington Voter   January 12th, 2008 3:22 pm ET

I think the only reason to NOT support a recount is if you are afraid that a recount could reveal some kind of shocking truth, that the votes *were* rigged, and that your candidate's supporters may have been involved… If you are confident that the count was accurate, then you have nothing to fear.

This is EXACTLY the kind of transparency that government needs… Hopefully the count was not tampered, but it's great that somebody is there to make sure that every vote was counted correctly. Good for Dennis for not being afraid to demand the recount. What we need is transparency not blind folds… There are too many problems with the status quo in American politics… What we need is leaders who have the guts to stand up to the establishment if necessary and who are willing to break from the status quo to produce positive change, and not candidates who have it in their best interests to maintain the status quo at all costs…

John Haigh, Arbor Vitae, Wi.   January 12th, 2008 2:54 pm ET

Hillary Clinton is a disaster for our Democratic party. If she wins, she will do in four years what George Bush has done to the Republican party- set it back for a decade or so. Wake up Democrats - Clinton is so decisive in Washington D.
C. that NOTHING will get acomplished and in four years the Republicans will be back in power. WAKE UP ALL YOU HILLARY-BACKING DEMOCRATS - she will destroy any chance we have of changing things in Washington. PLEASE WAKE UP!!!

Joe   January 12th, 2008 2:52 pm ET

How can anyone be AGAINST the recount? What are you so scared about? If Clinton really won she will remain the winner. This is democracy at its best… the fact we CAN recount.

Sometimes its really hard to understand these fanatical responses. Don't you worry, if the majority so wishes, your selected candidate will win. But don't be a crybaby about recounts. Recounts should be done IMO EVERYTIME the results are close enough within the margin of error.

That is why America is great.

Tom Davie   January 12th, 2008 2:14 pm ET

Kris writes:

January 12, 2008 10:23 am ET

tom davie..you are stupid…iowa was a cacauses..so even if the poll shows them dead even…people have a second choice in caucases..do ur research.

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This is a good point. Its also a fact a whole pile of young people were DRAGGED out , DOUBLING the iowa vote from 2004. This is no small swing. Its a standard political trick. It was well played by Obama.

This is why Obama doesnt do as well in a private vote as he does in an open caucus. This is why the 'youth vote' turns out much better in an open forum rather than a private vote.

This is also why Obama will NOT win a general election.

Erik   January 12th, 2008 2:08 pm ET

It looks most of the people who are leaving these comments didn't even read the article, just the headline. Kucinich is NOT requesting a recount for his own benefit, he believes Obama has been slighted. He's not stupid enough to believe he would actually win. He will drop out soon, and I predict he will almost immediately endorse Obama.

Tom Davie   January 12th, 2008 2:04 pm ET

Its sad that there are forces whom want to play HORRIBLE dirty tactics like this.

The machines themselves were not connected. You would need scam artists at EVERY single polling station co ordinating the whole thing.

The primary from start to finish was a 2 -4 point lead for clinton the whole way thru.

It would much more suspect if Obama was leading then all of a sudden Clinton got 87% of the vote in a couple of polling stations to turn the tide.

I think the people poling did so BEFORE the tears incident and didnt conduct another poll before the primary vote.

Another thing to note was Clinton and Obama were tied in the polls the night of the Iowa caucus.

Obama CRUSHED her by 9% points.

How come there was no 'recount' ?

Jessica   January 12th, 2008 1:58 pm ET

I think he is simply bitter because he wanted everyone who didn't get to vote for him to vote for Obama in Iowa…so he obviously favors Obama. Maybe even thinks he'd have a shot at vice president.

Anonymous   January 12th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

I don't understand what everyone is so upset about. Let them do a recount. If there is any question, and he's willing to pay for it, they should count the votes. I udnerstood that he was sending the 2k as sort of a down payment, as there is no way to know what the recount will cost. The article just says that he is sending the money to get it started.

anniemcu   January 12th, 2008 1:52 pm ET

He isn't calling for a recount for himself, or even for any party. He's calling for a recount because there is an obvious discrepancy, and that needs to be addressed.

It's pretty foolish to try to put a party spin on something that is equally important to all - accuracy of vote tabulation and reporting.

awake   January 12th, 2008 1:45 pm ET

Open your eyes, 80+ percent of the votes in N.H were counted by Diebold electronic voting machines. Diebold's contracts are controlled by ONE man, named J. Sylvester. What ever happened to checks and balances? He's a private contractor, so his records are not public…Not to mention he's spent a year in jail for CND trafficking.

THe NUMBER 1 issue NOT being talked about- Corporate control of the media. Free your minds people, you are being conditioned on a mass scale.

Sandy   January 12th, 2008 1:31 pm ET

The last 2 presidential elections were stolen & look at what we got. Why do you think the corporate media is so anxious to shut out Dennis Kucinich? Rupert Murdoch blatantly supports Hillary. Kucinich is bringing up all the SCARY issues.
(Why CNN may not print this)

Cheney Impeachment for taking us to illegal war
No more big insurance profit in health care (progam like every industrialized country)
No more war profiteering (Hillary definitely invested in)
Legalize gay marriage
No military aggression in Pakistan & Iran
No Patriot Act
No torture
No wiretapping without warrants
Legalize marijuana (Stop filling our prisons when alcohol is really more detrimental)
Bring our troops home NOW
Department of Peace

Oh well. Let the rest tout their vapid promise of "CHANGE". All will be the same. On to WWW III!

edwardsrocks   January 12th, 2008 1:07 pm ET

Isn't it better to be sure? Aren't we supposed to make sure every vote is counted? Doesn't anyone remember 2004, or 2000 for that matter? It's no wonder people are skeptical of these election results, which are not in line with the polling data.

I say bravo, Dennis, for saying something that those that feed off the teat of corporate media are so threatened by. I'm tired of having my elections determined by the pundits of our country and the major corporations who pay for their opinions.

Jim   January 12th, 2008 12:55 pm ET

$2,000 is the initial sum he's sending to get it started he is raising the money to cover the rest of the cost. He is responsible for the entire cost of the recount. Make sure to read the article closely and you will see that this is what was said.

Pat   January 12th, 2008 12:37 pm ET

Hold on a minute, Republicans. I find it amazing that you resent any use of our constitutional rights to keep a democracy a democracy. If you are asking Kucinich who? You need to address the media and their lack of coverage of ALL candidates running for President. If you are asking why he is demanding a recount, take a look at the last presidential elections, a sitting president who was NOT elected by the majority of American voters, and try reading on your own the problems this country is having with rigged elections and blackbox voting. Get real! Wake up! Smell the fascism.

Gretchen Leavitt   January 12th, 2008 12:36 pm ET

I admire Dennis Kucinich for asking for a recall. He is not doing this for his own benefit. He is doing this for the sake of democracy to insure that all votes are counted. I, for one, want to feel secure when I step into a voting booth that my vote will be accurately counted. Without that, what do we have?

Andrew   January 12th, 2008 12:34 pm ET

How could anyone in their right mind be opposed to making sure the vote count was correct?

Do you seriously think politicians are above fixing the machines for their favor?

Anyone who believes the Diebold voting machines and their CEO are trustworthy, please contact me about a lake that I want to sell to you.

Hillary, suspiciously, did very well in all the counties that had electronic voting machines.

Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate willing to stand up and fight for the ideals this country pretend to have. An American hero.

My only question is how can we ensure that the recount is legit? How hard would it be to fix a machine so that the recount gave you the same result?

Common sense   January 12th, 2008 12:10 pm ET

Irregularities/anomalies were reported by too many state counties in the past two presidential elections. There is a pattern here. That pattern is computerized voting equipment, optical scans included. Optical scan votes can be easily flipped for the other candidate. That has also been proven. In one state county an optical scan had more total votes than residents in the county. The only way I'll believe our elections are legit would be the ability of recounting of the actual vote. Its called a paper trail … not a subtotal trail from all county machines.

When you use an ATM you get a receipt of the transaction. Why is it our corporate producers of computerized voting machines get all huffy when paper trails are discussed? Its not that complicated. Its done every day by millions of ATM's that issue billions of customer receipts.

Jess   January 12th, 2008 11:47 am ET

I support a recount on the basis that the DIEBOLD machines can and will be manipulated to rig on election. Our Democracy is turning into a ridiculous sham when the public believes that these computers are not tamper proof. How can the voting public give confidence to a machine that can not provide proof of a persons voting record if a recount is requested. It can not. The manufacturer of these machines does not allow for these machine to be tested by independent testers. or, better yet, for the programming code to be viewed. It is best to return to the paper ballots to ensure a fair election in case of a recount. In this early stage of the primary elections, it is paramount that obvious deviations from voting patterns or the like be investigated. I also believe that after an election has closed and the votes have been counted that a statistical sample of these machines be independently tested to ensure no tampering had occurred.

j. m.adam   January 12th, 2008 11:36 am ET

hey cnn,
how about updating your story! there will be a recount this is not late breaking
but is 18 hours old….stop burying this one

makesenseofit   January 12th, 2008 11:34 am ET

Mr. Kuscinich has the right to do what he thinks is appropriate for the moment. Since no one else is willing to take the chance and position themselves as an
outsider. I wish there were more kucinichs out there !!

Peter, Boston   January 12th, 2008 11:07 am ET

Oh Please,

Yes there are optical scan readers. But its marked on paper!!!!!! Let them count the votes!! I for one am confident that Hillary won fair and square, and within the election laws.

You all just can't wrap your mind around the fact that she had more people on the ground in New Hampshire. More people talking to other people about her candidacy. Not More people in a stupid rally. What does that accopmplish? Its nothing. Maybe the Obama camp should beef up its field staff, and actually turn out the vote that they and the press thought they had.

Jonathan Holtz, Santa Cruz, CA   January 12th, 2008 11:02 am ET

Wow, you Dennis bashers don't get it at all. He knows he is not going to get any more votes. It says so right in the original article. He is concerned about the integrity of the election process. As we all should be after Florida, Ohio and others (including the 2006 cycle).

It is clear that there is a plan to disenfranchise voters, limit access to voting, and alter returns by about 3 percent in order to get the outcome desired by the corporate elites. There are reports that the 20% hand counted votes were very different than the electronic counted votes. That needs to be investigated. While it may make little difference in this primary, it may make a huge difference in the general election. And it is clear that "they" are getting better and more subtle at their attempts to manipulate the election process. It is important to check at each and every step to maximize our election security. For our nation and the Democracy. And there is no harm in doing so.

Dennis' willingness to pay 2000 up front "to get the process started" in no way implies that that is all he will end up paying. he is at risk to pay much more for the entire recount. He is putting his money where is mouth is and I respect him for it. ( I am not a Kucinich supported but waver between Edwards and Obama).

In my mind the cry-babies are the ones who cannot tolerate any checking of the facts to make sure we got it right.

Mark   January 12th, 2008 10:53 am ET

WHAT A NUT!!!!!

Jermaine   January 12th, 2008 10:39 am ET

Would everyone PLEASE calm down. Dennis is correct. We all need to ensure that the systems work. The polling prior too and after show something drastically different. It happened in 2004 in the Great State of OHIO, Kerry was ahead by a 2 to 1 margin going into the polls and during, after he lost that state by over 100 thousand vote, and of course it is still true that he won that state. Hillary did not carry the majority of county's in New Hampshire, OBAMA did. If you check the results county by county, you would know that Dennis is correct. OBAMA won 85% of all county's in New Hampshire on Tuesday, the ones he did not he loose by either 2 votes or 200 votes, hardly enought to lose to Hillary. OBAMA conceded base on projections, however I too believe as do many others that he won. I do not believe our elections should be carried and concessions base on projections. When a candidate concede, the election comission stop counting the ballots. Dennis is correct, every vote should and must be counted. The day of the polls OBAMA had a 10 points lead over Clinton, it is either that the media falsify the polling data to help Hillary, or that the State Election commission and it's workers screwed the actual vote for Hillary.
In order for our system of government to be effective, we must be sure that we receive credible, fare and impartial results. The fact of the matter is DENNIS is correct and a recount is warranted. OBAMA nor Edwards will not request it because of course it makes them look paltry, however DENNIS have nothing to lose or gain, and I support him 100% ensuring a recount is done. In the final recount I am confident OBAMA will either loose by half of a percentage point or win by 5% and then that will ensure the lection is thrown out and a new one called. HILLARY ABC did not win that state. Yes, there is a lot of Hillary supported out there, I am in the military and should she win the nomination, there will be many Officers etc who will tender their registration, not because we are against a female Commander in Chief but because the Clintons are no better that the Bushes. They are all the same, change is necessary and it will take place either by the ballot box for MCCAIN or OBAMA or in Michigan where voters will vote ABC next Tuesday!

RECOUNT, RECOUNT, RECOUNT,…ABC, ABC! DEMOCRAT'S UNITED CANNOT BE DEFEATED!

jjwv   January 12th, 2008 10:24 am ET

well if hillary was scared of the recount then she would have came forward to try to stop it, but as u can see, she knows that she won it fair and square. There is definately something going on between the Obama and Kucinich camps. I think they are colaberating together. Thats why all his voters in Iowa went to Obama. Obama camp must have put him up to it so that obama himself wouldn't be brought into it. They are just trying to hurt Hillarys support. KUCINICH U NEED TO JUST QUIT BECAUSE U ARE OF NO ACCOUNT TO ANY OF US. YOUR JUST SLOWING DOWN THE PROCESS. i THINK YOUR A CRYBABY (OR A SCAPEGOAT). TIME TO FESS UP. WHO PUT YOU UP TO THIS? WAS IS OBAMA OR SOMEONE ELSE BECAUSE NO MATTER THE RECOUNT, YOU ARE STILL GOING TO LOSE HUGELY. I THINK U ARE ALINED WITH OBAMA AND YOU ARE TRYING TO TAKE DOWN HILLARY TOGETHER.

GET OUT OF THE RACE.

kris   January 12th, 2008 10:23 am ET

tom davie..you are stupid…iowa was a cacauses..so even if the poll shows them dead even…people have a second choice in caucases..do ur research.

Sarah   January 12th, 2008 10:14 am ET

Having a recount isn't that bad of an idea.

I'm from NH and we ran out of ballots at many polling places and they had to make new photo copied ones.

Also, I had to wait to cast my ballot because the machine at my ward was not accepting them on the first try and you had to keep inserting them. This then became a question of, whether or not the machine only read the ballot once or if it was reading it each time a person tried to insert it into the counting machine, thus double and triple counting each vote.

cfrazier77   January 12th, 2008 10:09 am ET

Kucinich is an idiot, this is exactly the reason he shouldn't be President. Leave it to the Democrats to demand a recount when they lose. This Presidential election is going to be a nightmare.

me   January 12th, 2008 9:48 am ET

Kucinich is a funny dude. Thanks for the laughs Dennis.

Mike, Palm Harbor, FL   January 12th, 2008 9:45 am ET

The clinton supporters are the dumbest of the whole lot…what genes or DNA strands you're missing I don't know, but it has something to do with being aware of corruption, not being fooled by blatant phoniness. As one of her former staffers said she and willy need to be kept as far away as possible from the white house..as long as many americans sit around on the couch brain dead with their clickers going between stupid not-quite-reality shows and Brittney news..we'll continue to slide downhill.

Enzan   January 12th, 2008 9:23 am ET

New Hampshire is more about gaining momentum then delegates, so this won't have a heavy effect on the media unless something actually happens. Until then it's just the same old smoke from the same old pot.

Waitasecond   January 12th, 2008 9:10 am ET

Fact:
301 TP in NH - HRC leads by 7.479 votes.
Take out machine counted/scanned Manchester, Nashua, Rochester and Salem (28 TP) - lead shrinks NH-wide to 10 votes. Four urban regions made the difference. It’s called a statistical significance.

Btw @Tom Davie:
Those 4 urban areas are the reason for the
“RIGHT FROM THE START , Clinton had anywhere from a 2 to 4 point lead .THE WHOLE WAY THRU THE PRIMARY.”
True

“So it wasnt ONE county, or ONE polling station. The race was FLAT the entire time right intil the end of the PRIMARY.”
True, but 28 TP in 4 urban areas were.

Fraud?
I don’t know. Frankly, I don’t think so because many reasons could cause such a statistical significance (more registered democrats than independents, union workers in urban areas etc).

On the other hand:
The polls were within the error margin for every other candidate except one.
Congressman Kucinich pays the bill?
Let the recount begin, what’s to lose?

John   January 12th, 2008 8:34 am ET

Jufus, Milwaukee, WI

What makes you think this has anything to do with Hillary?

Last time out the N.H election was stolen, so were many others states.

But don't worry there are still 19 or so states that don't allow recounts coming up.

So those against a recount can be happy with what the machine spits out!

AnnAloha, PA Independent Thinker   January 12th, 2008 8:12 am ET

We Are All Doomed!!!!!!!! LMAO

GO INDEPENDENTS FOR CHANGE!!!
Vote Your Mind And Your Heart!!!

Well, Well, Well
All you so called "Sore Losers" need to be realistic.
If you think by recounting the votes just because the candidate of your choice didn't win, is going to end your passion to support your candidate…then you are truly a very weak minded person. Stop trying to justify the fact that your candidate didn't win by creating delusional scenerios that make you all look rediculous.
Quit falling for the bias media spin to report these distracting articles of less worthy news. Has it really come to this America?
We should let the real Jerry Springer host all the national debates and let Jerry Springer host all the mainstream political shows and replace these Springer imposters.
I wish you the best…and I can't wait for the next less news worthy report to come out, just to see this radical behavior from all you weak-minded supporters.
Comedy Lives Here!!!

Matt, New York Ny   January 12th, 2008 7:39 am ET

BTW the recount is obviously for Obama, not for himself.

Matt, New York Ny   January 12th, 2008 7:38 am ET

I don't think recounts are that uncalled for, when elections are this close. There probably won't be any substantial difference in the results, but in 2000, the latest reports pretty much showed that Al Gore won, not just the popular vote (which we know he did), but also the electoral vote. I always felt that Gore shouldn't have stepped down as soon as he did and conceded. It was a real low point in abandoning everyone who had supported him.

MG   January 12th, 2008 7:24 am ET

One simple reason:

Dennis wants to be Obama's VP. The two are both conniving. I'd be more suspicious of the hand counted votes for Obama; more likely for human error (or intention). More likely HIllary won by a wider margin if it weren't for that. Go ahead and recount, Dennis, and you'll see that your buddy BO lost even bigger.

jankvkleve   January 12th, 2008 5:55 am ET

Recounts would not be necessary if we would dispense with the hackable, unreliable electronic voting machines made by Diebold, a company whose management has exhibited, to put it politely, dubious integrity.

Like a previous poster, I always vote absentee on a paper ballot. However, if they use scanners to do the counting it's only slightly better than electronic voting machines. We should insist on both paper ballots and hand counting.

So much money gets spent on campaigns and elections that any excuse for not using hand-counted paper because of personnel costs rings hollow.

The real cost of using electronic machines has been two terms of George W. Bush, so you have to weigh hand counting against the costs of an unnecessary, ill-advised, ill-conceived and probably illegal war.

charlotte   January 12th, 2008 5:52 am ET

Anyone who runs for public office wants it bad enough to do almost whatever it takes to win. Why throw your hat in the ring if you don't want to win? It's all about power, the pay is nowhere near the pay any average CEO gets. The other possible reason, they love this country soo much, they can't stand by anymore and watch her being destroyed by the people in POWER now. Count the votes, run the ads, point out the other persons flaws, build yourself up, I'm the best choice, is everybodies thyme song. It's up to us the voters, (assuming or votes are counted,) to sort out, to the best of our abilities, the truth. And folks, that ain't always easy. My mamma used to say, never argue religion or politics with friends or loved ones! The web is aptly named, "oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive". We do the best we can to make the right choices. Whether you believe your vote will be counted or not, PLEASE VOTE, I hope my choice wins of course, but I hope everyone who is registered to vote will do so.

Whynot   January 12th, 2008 5:31 am ET

What's wrong with recountingthe votes. Can you imagine, what if the machines are wrong. But seriously has anybody taken a look at the disparities in the machine counts and the paper ballots. It wont hurt to prove K wrong. Well the question is how soon can we know the results.

WP, Phoenix, AZ   January 12th, 2008 4:25 am ET

I just want to know what is the probability of so many polls being wrong, and off by so many points. What was the confidence level and sample size? If the probability is very low, then a recount is necessary.

Harout   January 12th, 2008 4:15 am ET

Dennis Kucinich for President!!!

Strength through Peace!

DK   January 12th, 2008 4:01 am ET

Do you idiots really think that Kucinich is calling for a recount to benefit himself?

Joe, Pittsburgh PA   January 12th, 2008 3:29 am ET

The town of Sutton, NH credited Ron Paul with 0 votes when in fact he received 31. They openly admit to this, citing "human error." Of course, this is only an isolated incident. No need for alarm. Who hasn't filled out an accidental zero or two in their checkbook or tax return - it's an easy mistake. Zero, Thirty-one, you can see how two could get mixed up. We should all just remember that the government loves us and never lies.

Kitosoma   January 12th, 2008 2:54 am ET

He's not trying to recount for himself. The pre-polls showed he'd get more votes than Hillary. Kucinich is Obama's RIval, but he'd rather have Obama in office than that crazy woman.

Marcello   January 12th, 2008 2:38 am ET

Anybody who does not think these machines can be rigged needs to buy a copy of the video called "Hacking Democracy." It is also available to view free online, if you search for it. It will open your eyes.

Fidel Debash   January 12th, 2008 2:20 am ET

Senator Obama does not want controversy at the moment, but i know he knows fraud took place in New Hampshire. I guarantee you, that when it's said and done, it will be revealed that votes were tampered with. You could read it in Senator Clintons eyes. She knew she had lost the race and that's why her victory speech lacked passion, and was rather mechanical. And the Bias and arrogance of all the news networks revealed something sinister in the air. They're blatantly trying everything to assist Hillary. Hillary will be made to win and then will get shredded by the republicans. I can't wait to see how her crocodile tears will be used by the GOP to show how soo not ready she is to be president. The Clintons are so bent on winning that they will try anything, even if it splits the party further. Their true colors came out, they let the world know just how they feel about black people. So much for thinking Cllinton was the first black president. Talk about a reality check.

Kaitlin   January 12th, 2008 2:18 am ET

I applaud Dennis Kucinichs courage to challenge the status quo considering all the proven vote tampering, corrupt election officials and Diebold's iron grip on the outcome of the past election process. Machines have no place counting votes;' period. Paper ballots are the only insurance the public has that the elections are fair, honesty and countable.

I would expect that the outcome was recounted–whether a Democrat , a Republican candidate, Green, Libertarian or Martian. All should be open and transparent for Democrat or Republican, Green or Libertarian, Martian or Independent all the time, everytime.

Every vote should be counted….by hand in full view! Always!

Tom Davie   January 12th, 2008 12:57 am ET

Again. This is stupid. The polls right before the Iowa caucus showed it dead even between Obama and Clinton with edwards behind.

Obama won by 9% points.

Should we DEMAND a recount ?

The obama supporters on this site are most IMMATURE self seeking Americans there are in this election.

This isnt about 'American rights' . It aint about a candidate who finished 38.999999% behind in the vote and surely insults anyones intelligence that he is going to WIN the Democratic Nomination.

Its about vindictive politics by spitfull back door Obama play . This is the lowest I have ever seen.

Actually, during the 2004 election, it was rumoured republicans were slashing the buses tires that were taking democrats in busloads to polling stations.

Obama got himself a SCAPEGOAT to demand a recount so he doesnt look bad if the vote was accurate.

Its just stupidity to think this clown REALLY CARES whether he is missing 12 votes . He cares if it can somehow tapdanced that Obama was closer in the vote.

Dave   January 12th, 2008 12:52 am ET

Kucinich at least has backbone to stand and hold the system to account which is more than most who cry about having to go through a recount. The cry babies who complain about having to recount —-love Clinton and Corruption. Or maybe that depends on what the meaning what of is….is.

david   January 12th, 2008 12:26 am ET

I feel that it should be a recount, because of the differences that appeared. After all , if it is correct so what, but if it's not ,shame !

Ginny Ca   January 12th, 2008 12:23 am ET

Tom Davie: I think your 10:28 posting got it exactly right. And, as usual, Obama is letting someone else do his dirty work (Kucinich, of course) while he stands back and waits for the recount. I sure HOPE the recount will give Hillary more votes That would sure be some sweet, poetic justice.

lani, GA   January 12th, 2008 12:14 am ET

I applaud Dennis for asking for a recount. Anytime there's a disparity between the polls and the actual votes with 3% or less between 2 candidates, then there should be an automatic recount. We have experienced too much in the elections of 2000 and 2004 to not question the votes!

Our democracy determines how fair our voting process is!

lani, GA   January 12th, 2008 12:13 am ET

I applaud Dennis for asking for a recount. Anytime there's a disparity between the polls and the actual votes with 3% or less between 2 candidates, then there should be a automatic recount. We have experienced too much in the elections of 2000 and 2004 to not question the votes!

Our democracy determines how fair our voting process is!

Marsha   January 12th, 2008 12:06 am ET

I'm confident my candidate won but I think this constant recount business sets bad precedent.

PETER ORIAVWOTE, NEW JERSEY   January 11th, 2008 11:49 pm ET

Surprise! Surprise!! What has Senator Clinton done? Even if she had committed a heinous crime can she not be forgiven. After all, God the Almighty forgives. With God all things are possible. The voices of American men and women will sound trumpets for this candidate, and at the end she will come out triumphant. Please Senator Hillary do not let such actions of the likes of Rep. Hucinich deter you. Win. you shall.

Jesus   January 11th, 2008 11:45 pm ET

Seriously, Dennis knows that won't win in a recount. He just wants this to be an honest election and is doing what he can to help the process. For those of you who make fun of him and things like that… do you know his positions? Aside from what the media tells you about how funny he looks, have you done your homework like a real voter should?

Oh and for those of you who made the comment "Dennis who?"
Hmm… shows you've been playing into the Media's censorship of REAL CHANGE.

Oh, and sorry to break it to you…. George Bush lost the 2000 election

The Duke in Texas   January 11th, 2008 11:24 pm ET

Let me correct that; they are now saying they are recountuing again and the results are still "unofficial."

The Duke in Texas   January 11th, 2008 11:14 pm ET

The votes have already been recounted. Go to the New Hampsire Secretary of State election site and you will find that after Tuesday night they spend all day Wednesday (and on into Thursday for 3 of the counties) doing the canvasing to make sure they had the numbers right and all the votes counted, recounted, and confirmed. It has been declared official and above board. LIke someone said, it is not that big a state and it didn't take long to double check everything. They split the delegates, whe got the momentum swing, and it's over. They, like most of the couintry, have moved on to other battlegrounds. I'm afraid the conspiracy theorists will find no smoking gun here.

And I still don't get why everyone is saying it is "his money" to pay for this recount. It is not his money, it is money contributed to the campaign to elect Kucinich president. If I gave him money and he spent it on a recount for Obama I would be pretty upset about it.

michaelrcrane   January 11th, 2008 11:06 pm ET

Fair elections? Hahahaha …good luck!

Kate   January 11th, 2008 10:59 pm ET

Have we learned nothing from recounts? They never seem to change the result as much as we think they will…. with a difference between Obama and Hillary that big, no recount - unless thousands of ballots were found to have been left out- would overcome it. While I agree that all ballots cast should be counted sometimes these things go too far. They got the same number of delegates anyway.

D.Ead GIs   January 11th, 2008 10:54 pm ET

Everyone here should be outraged at what is going on with the election process this early in the process.
We need voting machines with a paper receipt.
It can't be that I can buy a gallon of gas and get a receipt, yet not when I vote for who gets the most important job in the country.

Kucinich also deserves a right to be heard at the debates. Let the country hear him and decide for yourself. Don't let the mass media and with that the corporations dictate who you get to vote for.
What is wrong with you people?

Geoff   January 11th, 2008 10:50 pm ET

Why is everybody so against a recount? Are they afraid of the results? BTW $2000 is simply a down payment and Kuchinich will pay the diference one the cost is finally tallied…..or did you pay for your house and your car with a full cash payment?

JB in OC   January 11th, 2008 10:49 pm ET

Wow, I just read many of the entries… so much inward fighting. The recount is about the integrity of voting, not the candidates. To everyone I ask, stop the bickering and look