January 14, 2008
Posted: 10:45 AM ET
 Bill Clinton appeared on Roland Martin's show Monday.
Bill Clinton appeared on Roland Martin's show Monday.

(CNN) — Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign came out swinging Monday against the latest complaints from her rival, with former President Clinton announcing he has "a list of 80 attacks on Hillary" by Senator Barack Obama's campaign.

In a nationally syndicated radio interview on WVON, Bill Clinton said Hillary Clinton's way of handling attacks showed a clear difference from Obama. "She didn't complain about it," he said, citing one in particular that he considered "appalling."

"She just said 'I disagree,' and went on."

Clinton's remarks on the Roland S. Martin Show — which has a largely African-American audience — came amid a flare-up over remarks by Black Entertainment Television founder Bob Johnson, who appeared with Hillary Clinton on Sunday at a church in South Carolina, site of an upcoming primary.

Many believe Johnson made a veiled reference to Obama's drug use as a young man, though he insists that was not his intention.

"I think we have to take it at his word," the former president told Martin, adding that "nobody knew" what Johnson would say, and "it wasn't part of any planned strategy."

Johnson was rejecting the controversy over a recent remarks by Hillary Clinton, who noted that it "took a president" to make the Voting Rights Act a law after Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had led the struggle for it. Some interpreted that remark as dismissive of the civil rights movement. Obama on Sunday called the remark "ill-advised."

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– CNN's Josh Levs

Filed under: Barack Obama • Bill Clinton • Hillary Clinton


b2008   January 26th, 2008 12:01 pm ET

Barack Obama has the knowledge, charisma, and know-how to step up to the plate and fairly take on any Republican. It doesn't matter about his past drug use or anything else. He knows how to defend himself and how to make the records straight.

Also, Mr. Obama plays FAIR, which is more than I can say for the Clintons. They are the most underhanded, spiteful, hateful, sneaky, untruthful democratic opponents I've ever seen. There has been no other presidential opponent as insensitive, with as little character, as the Clintons. May God forgive them for they know not what they do.

Unless you're blind and deaf, there is no reason why you cannot read the past history of the Clintons and know for yourself they would not be the preferential candidate for this day and age. No one wants to go further back into the past. We want to go forward and the Clintons don't know any forward moves other than negatives ones.

Adeleke Otunuga   January 25th, 2008 6:41 pm ET

Bill Clinton as a freelance political attack dog? That's hardly an insult, considering Aristotle's submission that "man is by nature a political animal." Coming back to the issue on hand, I think Bill Clinton as an individual is a husband with clearly divided political interests. Bill Clinton as a former president, however, should be an elder statesman, the father of all, and a discerning public speaker whose words should not only be well-advised, but also laced all the way with the condiments of integrity. Bill Clinton has clearly showed which of the two roles takes upper precedence in his ratings scheme. He's not only entitled to the exercise of his choice, he also deserves whatever controversial responses trail his comments. It is just unfortunate!

James Martin   January 25th, 2008 3:12 pm ET

We can shoot the messanger, accept everything at face value, or ,look closely at what is going on. It is the manner this is happening that is disturbing, however some of what the Clinton's are saying is obviously. An example is the donations from the "slum lord" along with the property transactions between Obama and this individual. However, what should be clear is that Hillbilly is throwing things against the wall hoping some will stick. This approach overshadows the few facts that "stick". The clintons have shown they are not far removed from the bush machine that resulted in years of King George". As democrats we need to nominate someone who will not unify the republicans and Clinton haters so the chance to regain the whitehouse is squandered. A second look at Edwards might be inorder.

Bea M   January 24th, 2008 1:38 pm ET

I am sick of all the hog wash with the Clintons. After what he did in the White House with disrespect to all, then he trashes Obama. give me a break. Its time shut his mouth and crawl in the corner. his wife would do better without him. Obama gets my vote for sure now. the Clintons has seen to that. thanks Clintons for letting me see the light.

DougH   January 21st, 2008 12:39 pm ET

Sounds like both sides are playing the same old politics…

A few weeks ago, Obama and Edwards trailing drastically in the polls and decided it was time to attack Hilary… now when Hillary and Bill fight back… they accuse the Clintons of divisive/negative campaigning..

There's an old saying "Don't start something you can't finish"

We all know about the Clintons.
We all know about Edwards..

As for Obama, his platfrom of change and bringing people together contradicts what he has actually practices in the political world. All one has to do is look at Obama's record to know he votes solely along party lines and never comprimises…

So who is he ever going to be able to bring people together???

jan   January 18th, 2008 8:47 am ET

In so many ways, this is more about "us" than it is the candidates. Much as we say we hate negative campaigning, it works. We all get steamed up during election time because it's the only time we really have the power to influence. Once someone is elected, we're out of the loop. We've seen candidates brought down year after year by negative ads ads, slurs, inuendos, etc.
Let's face it—for once, the Dems have 3 really good candidates and should win the election. We don't need to fan the flames here. I would be happy with any one of them as the nominee.

Lisa, Texas   January 17th, 2008 9:25 am ET

ALINSKY's RULES FOR RADICALS
"Personalize it"
Saul Alinsky's rules of power tactics, excerpted from his 1971 book "Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals"

1. Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.

2. Never go outside the experience of your people.

3. Whenever possible go outside the experience of the enemy.

4. Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.

5. Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.

6. A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.

7. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.

8. Keep the pressure on.

9. The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

10. Maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.

11. If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.

12. The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

Hillary's Senoir Thesis is available since the Clintons are no longer in office. The thesis is at Wellesley College in archive. Along with everyone else's. The date is 1969.

Anyone can read about Saul D. Alinsky and get an idea of what Hillary may have written in her thesis. Above is Alinsky's Rules for Radicals that I pasted for a read.

Interesting, but I wonder if everyone is a radical if you clearly understand each rule he has listed.

eclecticbf   January 16th, 2008 5:49 pm ET

Monte Brown, New York, NY you need to get your Bill and Hillary to have their friend Dan lasater or Bill's brother to get you some of that cocaine they were using and distrbuting in Arkansas so you can at least be fair in talking about candidates drug histories. I don't equate youhthful drug use with mature professionals and a state governor embracing those peddling drugs to others.

Yeah and she is just not some silly woman standing by her man, but some other man is responsible for her real colors being displayed – not her own. New York, please do the rest of the country and world a favor and keep your Goldwater girl in her recent home. The restt of us are moving on to to set a different tone and make a better country.

By the way, see if you can get your senator to unseal her college thesis. Inquiring minds want to know what required a presidential order to keep it secret. Obama's past is a open book – tell your senator to open up her life so the American people can truley know her.

Obama for President   January 15th, 2008 11:52 pm ET

Hillary does not have the African American vote ( female or male) like she thought. She is working hard for it. Yes, most African Americans are Republicans, no big. Once chose what ever party affiliation they want.

The female vote from either culture is wanting to elect a female. The majority feel it is time. I disagree. I do believe there is a female that will make it to the Oval office, but Hillary is not the one.

Yes, Bill is defending his wife, but she is also a candidate for the Presidential election. Bill needs to lay off. This goes with the territory. If Hillary cannot take the heat in the kitchen, she should get out.

Hillary believed from the beginning she had the nomination before the process started. That is why she put her name in the hat. She just forgot how many people do not like her. She is inconsistent about her position on everything from abortion rights to the war. Her voting record is horrible in the Senate.

When she was First tLady during Bill's first term…..she failed at the health care reform and it was swept under the rug. She flopped on a hedge and it was swept under the rug. She lost important documents that were under investigation and that was swept under the rug. My god she may sell us to China…..if we elect her to Oval office.

4 years of Hillary …….and we are in the beginnings of a recession, and in the middle of a war that may never end……NO. We asking for trouble.

Ask yourselves….Do we want someone who can assemble the right people to their cabinet, or somone who will assemble crooks as their cabinet? Remember the people that worked for the Clintons? Where are they now? Look at the list of crooks he pardon and gave commutations to. Get real people.

I think it is time we look for a candidate to do the job, not someone that is power hungry.

From The North   January 15th, 2008 11:01 pm ET

Well Bill, I completely understood Hillary's remark regarding Martin Luther King's "struggle" as you suggested. But, I still feel the comment could have been made in a more respectful, less ambiguous and condescending tone.

Martin Luther King is a world Icon. He was and is the champion of the oppressed and forgotten. He has warmed the hearts of the worst among men. And while many will be applauded and later forgotten, Martin Luther King will continue to live in the hearts and minds of a Universal Population. The strength and power of this man's humility shattered decades of hostility and abuse.

When you speak to such greatness you must ensure there is no ambiguity. And although a President may have had to pass a law before Martin Luther's noble conquest was fulfilled, we must never leave any doubt about where the conquest began, who had the dream and who fought the battles and made the journey to transform his dream into reality. To have the privilidge to pen one's name to such a Victory should not be considered a taking of but rather an honoured giving to duty. An attestation to the Greatness of Humility and Compassion for our fellow man.

LINDA   January 15th, 2008 7:40 pm ET

NO, HE IS DEFENDING HIS WIFE ,,,,JUST AS OBAMA'S WIFE YELLS RACE CARD,,SHE IS THE ONE THAT STARTED IT

SouthernGal   January 15th, 2008 4:35 pm ET

What strikes me the most is that the black people most vocal in supporting Hillary are the ones that have already "made it" – and want to keep it – the black power elite. They're Republicans, the whole lot of them, but because they're black they won't vote Republican. So they'll find the next best thing – a Republican calling herself a Democrat. And she's a woman so they still have an "ism" to screech at all those who disagree with them – "sexism".

OBAMA / EDWARDS 2008, DAMMIT!

Darryl   January 15th, 2008 3:26 pm ET

wow all these negative comments, seriously thought, i hope you enjoy your republican president in 2008. Obama is real good talker but will loose the electorial, which is exactly the set up corporate america wants. Keep believing the news. OBAMA for president!

Steve O   January 15th, 2008 12:51 pm ET

You Hillary supporters are a joke. Everytime your candidate takes a hit in a legitimate debate, you claim she is being unfairly attacked (with the implication that she is being attacked solely because she is a woman). But most of the time it's Hillary doing the hitting either directly or through surogates. And when someone responds, you claim they are playing the victim. Never did anyone play the victim more than Hillary Clinton when those MLK vs LBJ comments were made and she tried to blame her own unfortuate wording on the Obama camp. It was Al Sharpton and Rep Clyburn of SC who turned her words into a controversy and neither has endorsed or has any connection to the Obama campaign. Still she had Bob Johnson claiming that and even going further to claim that Obama had somehow called into question her civil rights credentials and to make veiled references to Obamas drug use as a teen. Senator Edwards was right last week when he said that Hillary's campaign was without conscience.

Ahamed Nizar   January 15th, 2008 11:27 am ET

My god…is this how low politics have gone? sigh….

kamenwati   January 15th, 2008 11:14 am ET

Bill Clinton's behavior has been atrocious. He act like Obama has committed a sin by declaring his candidacy and running for the nomination. Too Bad. But perhaps he will come to understand that the Clintons do not own the Democratic party, and that the support of the voters is not theirs by divine right.

BTW, would you vote for Jeb Bush if he was candidate in this election? Then why the hell would you vote for Hillary Clinton. End the Bush-Clinton dynasty!

KENSBRO   January 15th, 2008 10:10 am ET

DOES THE FAUX NOISE NETWORK SEND YOU CLINTON HATERS A NEWSLETTER TO COPY YOUR COMMENTS FROM.THEY ALL CAN BE HEARD ON THAT FAIR AND BALANCED NETWORK..

Juca   January 15th, 2008 9:52 am ET

Something else I would like to point out…

When have you seen a former president campaigning in the primary against a candidate of his own party!?

This is not admirable behavior on Bill Clinton's part. His role as a Democrat and former president should be to support all of the candidates until the people have chosen.

Instead, he's out there in the trenches saying unflattering things about one of our favorite candidates, and he's made several untrue statements in the process of campaigning for his wife… for both of them… to get back to the White House. If Obama were to win the nomination, the Republicans will have all this video of our former president trashing our candidate. That is disgusting!!

As a Democrat, I feel like we have no one in the party who we can look up to anymore.

I feel Barack Obama could fill that role for the party.

gwill   January 15th, 2008 9:38 am ET

"I would point to the fact that that Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the President before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done. That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became a real in people's lives because we had a president who said we are going to do it, and actually got it accomplished."

As a U.S. History teacher, I feel there should be NO controversy regarding this quote. The March on Washington, the assassination of JFK and the twisting of many arms by LBJ all contributed to the passage of the act. The full quote is accurate in the fact that Sen. Clinton is speaking to the special role a president can play in seeking social justice. If you take a less controversial topic, say the passage of the Meat Inspection Act, many give Square Dealer Teddy Roosevelt credit for getting the legislation through Congress (ever heard of the "bully pulpit"?). Anyways, I guess by giving him credit, we all insult Upton Sinclair and other muckrakers. Or do we?

This has nothing do with race and more to do with muddy politics and the need to make race a wedge issue. In this instance, we really should focus on what legislation can be passed today for those in need, not who gets credit for the remarkable victories of the past. Perhaps if we had more of them in recent memory we wouldn't be so fixated on such a silly argument. Last question, who gets credit for the Great Society?

Obamaistheone   January 15th, 2008 9:34 am ET

Yea, Bill, show us the list.

There are so many things Obama could bring up if he wanted to attack the Clintons. Obama draws contrasts… I haven't heard him say anything I'd call an attack. Even his surrogates have been very restrained.

In New Hampshire, the Clintons put out flyers saying Obama didn't fully support a woman's right to choose, then tried to stop him from calling supporters to undo the damage, saying he was not complying with the "do not call" laws (untrue also).

Real nice people, aren't they?

I voted for Bill, and remained a supporter while he was president, but there is no 3rd term, buster, and I just don't want to go back, as someone else said, to all the drama.

fairygaymother   January 15th, 2008 7:45 am ET

Here is a thought folks………………………………………

How about all the campaigns – Republican and Democrat – actually start sharing with us their SPECIFIC vision and SPECIFIC ideas for fixing where the current sad story in Washington has led us? Isn't it too bad that your campaign contributions are being used to pick apart, interpret, or twist the words of another, rather than focus on what the candidate is actually going to offer us? And to make it basic and simple, try looking at it this way…………we have all had a friendship or some other type of relationship end or be permanently harmed because of our interpretation of actions or words?

And why all the hate in some of these posts. If you think the Clintons are awful people, you're just as bad as the Clintons when you bash them.

Shame on you all.

Vote the Fairy Gay Mother for President!

KISSman   January 15th, 2008 6:39 am ET

Bill Clinton has staked EVERYTHING on his wife winning this nomination because, if she doesn't, he will be rendered completely useless within the Democratic Party. Can Bill Clinton speak at the Convention in '08 in support of Obama should he win? I can't see how he can.

This man is a former president and is supposed to be a leader in the Democratic party. Instead, he's risking his own legacy on this gamble because he owes his wife big-time for the public embarassment he put her through towards the end of his presidency. If Bill Clinton wasn't married to Obama's competition, he"d probably be in love with the Obama campaign.

Simply put — Bill Clinton is abusing his influence in this race.

Ann Aloha, PA   January 15th, 2008 5:21 am ET

Ist the media stirs the pot
2nd the supporters blasts each other
3rd the candidates spar and exchange words
4th the supporters continue the bashing
5th the media stirs the pot some more
6th the candidates explain their position and their remarks
7th the supporters deny the truth(ALWAYS)
8th the media gains ratings and is laughing at everybody(all the way to the bank)

Poor misled people
We should demmand objective reporting to avoid this "Stirring the Pot" tactics by bias media coverage
Watch Reliable Resources and be sure to be objective or you miss the lessons in their reports and commentaries

DD   January 15th, 2008 5:12 am ET

I am aware that gender is an issue in the campaign. Gender also is an issue with the press.

I think it is unpopular to say this.

Those who spew hatred at Hillary are afraid of a strong capable woman candidate.

I was really hoping that this wouldn't happen.

I will be voting for Hillary. I trust her.

jane fallows, Ventura, CA   January 15th, 2008 4:42 am ET

Obama staffers are busy bees on this board. Notice how many say the same thing with the same cut and paste remarks. Typical of the deception we've come to expect from Obama and his squad of interns, hold-up in the basement at campaign headquarters. One day somebody's going to match-up the sets of IP addresses they're using and blow this phony "groundswell" scandal wide open.

Of course, it's CNN that's giving them the platform.

Vitali   January 15th, 2008 4:12 am ET

The coverage of the election in America by CNN is no more interesting as its obvious the cable network supports Mrs. Clinton openly.I had very high regards for CNN but its obvious while watching "America Votes 2008″,that you have taken sides.How can you that claim to be the worlds news leader that should be quoted every where take sides in matters of international standard as this?When she's shown,the audio of her speeches are played with the video while in the case of others,they are only shown/flashed without audio.Its very annoying and at the same time disturbing why you do this.If she is the candidate to beat,give the others same opportunity you give her,lets see how far she can go.The respect I have for CNN has diminished as a result of this.She's given time to clarify,deny,correct or even to accuse others while the other candidates don't have such time or priviledge,only the news reader saying what the candidate said with his picture on the screen,that all.
From news readers Jim Clancy to anchors like Wolf Blitzer,all are biased.There support for Mrs.Clinton is done in a shameless manner.Do not think nobody notices you guys,we do.Am Ukrainian and I live in Ukraine but believe that since the media has real independence and freedom in America,such rights should not be used to favour a particular candidate irrespective of race or ideology.Good a thing CNN is not the only source of information for voters,you would have delivered the 2008 election to Mrs. Clinton unopposed.Like we all know,politicians will come and go but will CNN go with them too?You need to change the way you report this election so that your claim of having the best team on TV will be for real.

michael, grand prairie tx.   January 15th, 2008 3:41 am ET

dqc
Charlie Rangal accused Barack of playing the race card today and called him dumb and stupid.
Barack Obama never commented on Clinton's remark, Rep Clyburn did. His high profile in the Dem party made his comments potent. Obama had nothing to do with that.Clyburn D-SC. interviewed with the NYT's on his on. Now i feel its his responsibilty to come out and let America know that he's not Dumb or Stupid.It's obvious that what Charlie's saying is that any one who who was offemded by her comments are dumb and stupid This was not a mistake by Hillary, these people are gutter politicians who will do just about anything to regain the power that they feel belongs to them. Please don't fall for the hype-its not the first time this tactic has been used.I feel that she's accepted a defeat in SC. So why not take Obama down on the one issue he's strongest on(swiftboat)lets make him seem divisive like us, See first they try and convince you(american people) there better for the country, but you(american people) dont fall for it, so know we'll make him look like us.DIVISIVE. We Want Fall For It Hill/Bill.

Vociferant1   January 15th, 2008 2:48 am ET

The whole using the BET billionairre to toss out the drug notion was sure sly…

Too bad the Clinton's attempt at being prophetic immediately falls to the hypocritical when President Bill was noted to have had a nose for the Cocaine himself.

Perhaps he'll recall the criticism and controversy he got for providing pardon to Cocaine smugglers?

Or the Cocaine trails, BCCI banking scheming operations, the CIA laundering, Mena, the Lippo Group, financing his 1992 campaign, the videotape and allegations of Cocaine use in the Clinton WH… and his brother, Roger Clinton's, proclamation ","Gotta get some for my brother. He's got a nose like a vacuum cleaner!"????

Bill, Bill, Bill. All this preening and preying for Hill seems to made you forget to be aware of your own glass house.

At least Obama admits it with no shame, unlike Mr. Didn't Inhale.

Does that also mean they have no respect for the country's drug counselors?.. therapists?… most of which were prior drug addicts that succeeded in healing themselves?

ddt   January 15th, 2008 1:57 am ET

Every time the Clintons bring up Obama's record, he plays victim. If this man can't defend his own record, what kind of a president is he going to make? Good judgement! Give me a break, he couldn't even make a single judgement on 135 bills while in Illion senator. He is so weak to be a president….Go Hillary

Dr. Gene Colombini   January 15th, 2008 1:40 am ET

WE HAVE GOT TO STOP ALL THIS SMALL TALK AND HOSTEL SPEECH. FRANKLY, CHARLOTTE I DON'T GIVE A DAM. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE STICK WITH THE ISSUES AND FIND WHO, AMONG THE DEMOCRATS, CAN BEST LEAD THIS COUNTRY OUT THE GEORGE BUSH QUAGMIRE. WHEN SELECTING A PRESIDENT, IT'S ABOUT ISSUES AND FINDING THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB AND NOT ABOUT A HIGH SCHOOL POPULARITY CONTEST.

Patrick, New York,Ny   January 15th, 2008 12:54 am ET

Stop this DOUBLE STANDARD for OBama. CNN STOP GIVING BARACK A FREE RIDE!! I wonder how many Republicans are posting pro Obama comments to divide the democrats and vote against Obama in the General Election!!

CLINTON 08!!!

xargaw   January 15th, 2008 12:37 am ET

When Bill left office, people loved him despite his personal flaws. We now see that both he and Hillary are more flawed and more disgusting than we could have imagined. If she is the nominee, my family is sitting this one out.

AL of Texas   January 15th, 2008 12:32 am ET

My god, this man is terrible.He has had his time as president.He did well.But now it is a time for CHANGE.The country is tired of the old divisiness and back biting politics.Hillary is not the one who can unite this country.She never focuses on unity of the country.With all due respect,Mr former President your time has come and gone.Please don't stand in the way of the country's future.

Cheryl   January 15th, 2008 12:24 am ET

Hillary is running on the basis of all the experience she has. Experience is good, but BUSH has experience too and is a graduate from an Ivy league college, yet he does not know that Africa is NOT a country or that black people live in South America. Experience is not everything, why look at the mess Bush has gotten us into, and he's Experienced : >

Regina Glass   January 15th, 2008 12:14 am ET

How ridiculous to see the Big Dog wasting his time on this. Guess there's plenty of it, seeing as der Slickmeister probably would be reluctant to be dating while his wife is running for president. The only candidate I can support who would allow me to keep any integrity would be Kucinich, but Obama earns a look-see if only because he is making the Serial Adulterer and his pathological liar spouse look like idiots.

A progressive Independent who is NOT a fan of the Dem or GOP parties and can't stand the Clintons

Jen Cedar Falls, IA   January 14th, 2008 11:54 pm ET

It's so obvious that Hillary and Bill are NOT going to be welcomed to the nomination of the Democrat Party by a majority. What a shame.

If the Clinton's slide into the White House by default, get ready for an EXTREMELY divided and rocky road for our country throughout the next 5 years. You think Bush is bad? You ain't seen NOTHING yet!

ABC!

Give Me A Break   January 14th, 2008 11:50 pm ET

It is good to remember, from time to time, that it is Bill's irresponsible behavior that lead directly to 8 years of Bush. For all his vaunted virtues, he is more trouble than he is worth.

Zasmine   January 14th, 2008 11:27 pm ET

According to the American Public Transportation Association, 60 million Americans living in rural communites are completely isolated due to lack of access to public transportation systems. This is especially difficult for aging and low income Americans who either can't drive or don't have access to a vehicle. As president, would you back legislation that would provide federal support to states wishing to expand public transportation into rural areas?

aisha naeem   January 14th, 2008 11:24 pm ET

go hillary ,all the people r living the fairytale story thinking things will change overnight but reality is ,it takes time and knowledge and experience to make things happen .so lets see obama is a looser and hillary will win .go girllllllllllll

Mary, Westmont, IL   January 14th, 2008 10:45 pm ET

Allen Raymond who was indicted on the Dem Party Phone Jamming scheme says this in his new book:

As a Republican campaign operative at the Republican National Committee it was drilled into me that election law attorneys serve the purpose identifying the bright line of the law so it could be taunted but not crossed. Anybody who has a problem with that or doesn’t get it doesn’t understand America. America is about self interest, within the rule of law.

The Clintons also see the bright line (truth) and continually cross it ever so slightly. Then jump back and say "I didn't do it".
Certainly sounds like the Clintons learned alot from the GOP.

Sirjaxx   January 14th, 2008 10:38 pm ET

I would bet dollars to donuts that the Clintons have found some of Barry's Love Children, and they are just sitting on it until they can leak it at it's most strategic time.
How long did they sit on the Mark Foley Emails?

Mary Lou in AL   January 14th, 2008 10:30 pm ET

I feel like I'm getting a divorce, and it's very painful. I LOVED Bill Clinton from the first time I heard him speak. It was in early 1990 on C-SPAN at some sort of NEA meeting in, I believe, New Hampshire. I stopped dead in my tracks and thought, this is my guy. And it never changed. Until now. So I'm taking down my life-sized cardboard cut-out of Bill and his saxophone that I've moved to three houses ( with much consternation from family and friends), and hauling out the old campaign buttons and photos. It's hard. But I have seen something from him and from Hillary over these last weeks that makes me feel dirty and ashamed. And mortified and repulsed. And dispirited. It is really hard.

They have shown themselves to be the very people I had argued for so many years that they were not. I feel so betrayed.

But the bright side is I do have a choice, and a very inspiring one. I believe Barack Obama can be that transformational leader that it will take to get us through this dark and daunting time. I just hope that chance hasn't been denied us by the monomaniacal hubris of this powerhungry pair. Really, I'm crushed by it. But please, people . Think about this country and our chilren and grandchildren. Give us all this chance. Go OBAMA.

Drew   January 14th, 2008 10:10 pm ET

Are you kidding me? This is coming from the man who was found guilty lying under oath. Are we really supposed to believe anything he says now? Put yourself in the jury box now and imagine a witness accused of perjury was telling you to trust them. Would you? The Clintons strategy is making me sick to my stomach. You have had your moment, now please just go away.

Teacher   January 14th, 2008 9:54 pm ET

Im so proud of the people on here that write enough to fill a book.

Tim Calhoun '08, Moreno Valley, CA   January 14th, 2008 9:47 pm ET

Mr. Murder, kindly do your research.

Barack Obama WAS opposed to the Iraq War from the beginning. The most well known example of this was a speech he made in Chicago on October 26, 2002, in which he said he did not oppose all wars, but opposed what he called a "dumb war."

He NEVER agreed with Bush's call for war in Iraq. Rather he agreed that we needed to support the troops once we were there and make a serious effort to stabilize the country and its warring factions. "I think that nobody wants to play chicken with our troops on the ground. … I do think a majority of the Senate has now expressed the belief that we need to change course in Iraq. … Obviously we're constrained by the fact that a commander in chief who also has veto power has the option of ignoring that position."

Here is his FULL QUOTE about "agreeing with Bush," which has been grossly taken out of context by the Clinton camp:

"There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage. The difference, in my mind, is who's in a position to execute. … How do you stabilize a country that is made up of three different religious and in some cases ethnic groups, with minimal loss of life and minimum burden to the taxpayers? I am skeptical that the Bush administration, given baggage from the past three years, not just on Iraq….I don't see them having the credibility to be able to execute. I mean, you have to have a new administration to execute what the Bush Administration acknowledges has to happen."

hp   January 14th, 2008 9:32 pm ET

there starting to dig in in eachother wait till some one brings back how the clintons left the white house in a big mess as people taking things that belong to the whitehouse.And left writings on the walls.Besides how can she run the country in a safe and sain way,the only time she could keep bills pants up is when she wanted some

a. muhammad Atlanta,Ga   January 14th, 2008 9:28 pm ET

Its interesting that some actually think Mr. Obama is or has attacked Mrs. Clinton. When? Her side has done all the attacking! Obama really hadn't even responded to them but once over this recent spat! Read the actual record! As far as Obama being MLK.JFK. or RFK. Those of you who say he isn't any of them, you are right! He is Barack Obama! Before MLK, JFK, or RFK SHOWED you who they were, you didn't know them either. And if you recall history, many of them were attacked for what they believed as they tried to get America and the world to CHANGE for the better. They were accused of drug use, cheating on their wives, bad judgement, and even being un-American! Guilty or not, things were thrown at them to make them look to be unfit for your admiration and trust. Sound familiar? The American people still falling for the same ole tricks. Thats experience for ya!! They were each killed for what they believed. So its easy to love them now! They aren't here to require anything of you!

As far as the statements by Mr. And Mrs Clinton over this last week; I think they have been blown out of proportion! But NOT by the Obama side. He didn't even say anything about it until today! The statements were blown out of proposition by the media! The media feeds, we eat! However, I agree with Obama, the statements were ill advised. Which is pretty much all he said about the matter.

And it was Clinton who brought up race. Not Obama! She also brought up gender! Then when the issue of gender came up on Meet The Press, she said that her experience as a woman is just a product of being one. And that she can't help that it may come up. So. How about Obama's experience as a Blackman in America, that shouldn't come up as a product of who he is? Of his experience? Of what has shaped him? If it does hes playing the "race card"! Many whites are just afraid of the mirror that a Barack Obama puts up to them. So, they don't want to be reminded that he is Black. And that he has some disadvantages based on that. Its sad really. This is beginning to show just what is in the minds of many whites in this country. But to those whites who want to seem NOBEL, even to themselves. Look at yourself as to the reason why this country is in the condition it is in. I'm a Black American. I want the same as you. LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSIT of HAPPINESS. JUSTICE, EQUALITY, FREEDOM. Not against you. We can all have it! But some of you act as if its just a little left, and we have to battle for it. NO!! It is enough for us all!

a. muhammad Atlanta,Ga   January 14th, 2008 9:27 pm ET

Its interesting that some actually think Mr. Obama is or has attacked Mrs. Clinton. When? Her side has done all the attacking! Obama really hadn't even responded to them but once over this recent spat! Read the actual record! As far as Obama being MLK.JFK. or RFK. Those of you who say he isn't any of them, you are right! He is Barack Obama! Before MLK, JFK, or RFK SHOWED you who they were, you didn't know them either. And if you recall history, many of them were attacked for what they believed as they tried to get America and the world to CHANGE for the better. They were accused of drug use, cheating on their wives, bad judgement, and even being un-American! Guilty or not, things were thrown at them to make them look to be unfit for your admiration and trust. Sound fimilar? The American people still falling for the same ole tricks. Thats experience for ya!! They were each killed for what they believed. So its easy to love them now! They aren't here to require anything of you!

As far as the statements by Mr. And Mrs Clinton over this last week; I think they have been blown out of proporstion! But NOT by the Obama side. He didn't even say anything about it until today! The statements were blown out of propostion by the media! The media feeds, we eat! However, I agree with Obama, the statements were ill advised. Which is pretty much all he said about the matter.

And it was Clinton who brought up race. Not Obama! She also brought up gender! Then when the issue of gender came up on Meet The Press, she said that her experience as a woman is just a product of being one. And that she can't help that it may come up. So. How about Obama's experience as a Blackman in America, that shouldn't come up as a product of who he is? Of his experience? Of what has shaped him? If it does hes playing the "race card"! Many whites are just afraid of the miorror that a Barack Obama puts up to them. So, they don't want to be reminded that he is Black. And that he has some disadvantages based on that. Its sad really. This is begining to show just what is in the minds of many whites in this country. But to those whites who want to seem NOBEL, even to themselves. Look at yourself as to the reason why this country is in the condition it is in. I'm a Black American. I want the same as you. LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSIT of HAPPINESS. JUSTICE, EQUALITY, FREEDOM. Not against you. We can all have it! But some of you act as if its just a little left, and we have to battle for it. NO!! It is enough for us all!

Maura   January 14th, 2008 9:01 pm ET

Wow! And to think I used to respect this guy.

Steph   January 14th, 2008 9:01 pm ET

First, let me say I am a woman and I am white. I am also an Obama supporter, and it has absolutely nothing to do with race or gender. I would love to be able to support Hillary because she may be the only chance I have of seeing a woman President in my life. But I can't, when I watch her, I see dishonesty, I see the desire to win even if it means lying. She has been flip flopping all over the place so much lately that she seems like a fish out of water. If the people don't like how she's acting or what she is saying, then she changes her whole attitude so much so, that no one really knows who she is, or what she really represents. All the garbage coming out of her and Bill's mouths has turned me totally against her. They talk about uniting the country—How in the world can they promise that when the are dividing their own party??? Our country is such a mess right now that we DO NOT need status quo. In other words we do not need possibly 28 years of Bush's and Clinton's in the White House!! I am an Independent voter that has always voted Democrat. I feel that the only candidate that could actually unite people is Obama, and possibly Edwards. If Hilliary gets the nomination I will NOT vote for her, I will possibly look on the republican side for the first time ever. I don't really want to do that because I think we really need a change, but I don't see Hillary as it. If things keep going the way they are, there is no way the Democrats are going to win the General Election. How sad that the Democrats have a chance to make History and change the direction of this country, but, their actions may hand it right back to the Republicans. The Republicans don't really have to do anything except sit back and watch the Democrats implode, as usual. And, I know that if I feel this way, there are many others out there, Independent and Democrats that feel the same way and it will show come voting day.

DB/Maryland   January 14th, 2008 8:56 pm ET

Keep your head up Obama. Do your thing. Don't fall into the muck & mire of the Clintons. I am very happy with the way you have conducted your campaign so far. I know it's hard not to lash out but you are showing real leadership qualities, calm in the midst of the storm. I admit I was a Clinton lover until now, no more, I have seen the other side and I don't like it. You have my vote and my husband is campaigning for you here in our area. God bless you. Fight the good fight.

Obama '08

Patrick, Bethlehem,PA   January 14th, 2008 8:54 pm ET

Obama could have taken on the Clintons if he wanted to.

Anyone who saw the Iowa debate saw how Obama silenced Hillary's gotch-ya laughter, when Obama was asked by the moderator why he has hired some of Bill Clinton's former staff. That was smooth, classic, brilliant stuff from Obama. The Clintons better be careful; Obama can play dirty if he chooses to.

As for Billionaire Johnson of BET, what more can one say of a man who made his billions pimping black women via rappers on BET. A channel with nothing of substance.

Between Bill Clinton and Johnson, i don't know who is worse. One was pimping at the White House, the other was pimping on TV.

jl   January 14th, 2008 8:52 pm ET

The more Bill talks the more he reminds me what I dislike about him. Does anyone for a moment believe he's been able to keep it in his pants since leaving office? I'm sure he's got the Viagra.

Bullofmizzou, MO   January 14th, 2008 8:45 pm ET

Old "slick willy" is checkin his list, and checkin it twice, and he gonna find out this campaign's about Men and not Mice

And…as for dropping a Dime of Drug Use in the past by a "certain other candidate"…..since when is an old time aging radical left wing Hippie hold-over from the 60s and 70s not guilty of a lil dope smokin…themselves….or perhaps She didn't "Inhale" either ??….Hummmmm makes one wonder, Huh!?…..or am I confusing myself wit Jane Fonda, maybe??

Liz D   January 14th, 2008 8:45 pm ET

Way to go Charlene, again

As I said; Don't participate in the drama.

If you can't stand what the other person saiys about your candidate, then turn a deaf ear and move on. You have your own beliefs,

The media loves to kindle the fires

Mr.Murder   January 14th, 2008 8:42 pm ET

It is the Clinton's fault that the Obama camp sends a memo out to higlight race discussions?
Barack's opposition to the Iraq war before it began is a fairy tale. Bill CLinton higlighted that fact.

Barack said there would be no difference between his policy and Dubya's going to the war.
That's racist to say so? Fairy tale is racist? Pixie dust for Donna?
Never let your kids watch peter Pan, those racist fairy tales…
A Clinton supporter(one who resigned) highlights historical truth that Barack used drugs. If that's racist to higlight why did Barack put it in his book?
Hillary being stronger than Mandela may indeed be a reach, but Bill exonerating Hillary could only be expected in their marriage. Since Hillary is his choice for any task does not mean she has not faced danger. Perhaps Kenneth Starr witch hunting them pales in comparison, but their perspective is a bit more confrontational for domestic politics than most Americans have been aware…
Johnson said to Bill Moyers on signing the civil rights act, that he'd given the south to the GOP for decades. He paid politically, resulting in his decision not to run for President as an incumbent. For tough decisions like that to be made politicians have to pay a price. Saying so diminished what King did?
Politico, a red meat republican apparatachik, is being used as a source by Obama's campaign? Amazingly so.
In other news, working with lobbyists when saying you would eliminate them from your campaign and political staff is no longer false hope. To draw such a comparison is to question the moral legacy of MLK Jr. and Sr. along with that of JFK.
Notice also that Obama would not contact the reporter for the story, but would have his camp respond through Politico.

Doug, CA   January 14th, 2008 8:35 pm ET

Ok, Clintons are clearly for the old politics and backdoor deals. Washington knows best and everyone else just get in line.

I'm voting for Obama.

Joe, SoCal   January 14th, 2008 8:33 pm ET

I'm a Democrat and I will never vote for HRC. I will vote for any Republican before her.

Lou   January 14th, 2008 8:32 pm ET

For all of the Americans that like complaining about the way politics work in our country:

1. Get off of your @$$ and do something about it. You will complain your whole life and nobody will listen to you unless you fight the process.

2. Do not complain about people who complain, you might be considered a hypocrite.

3. They are DEMOCRAT and when elected, they will do what the DEMOCRAT party requires of them. What do Americans not understand about this?

Tim Calhoun '08, Moreno Valley, CA   January 14th, 2008 8:30 pm ET

80? That's hilarious.

More hijinks from the man who perjured himself before Congress and lied to the American people.

He shouldn't have been let anywhere near his wife's campaign.

Summerville, SC   January 14th, 2008 8:28 pm ET

Bless you Charlene! An American with her own mind and the sense to see through this media. They're not transparent, and we're not dumb, girl. I'm with you!!

W. O. Webb - Nashville, TN   January 14th, 2008 8:24 pm ET

TO: Monte Brown & Others lacking knowledge of the Civil Rights Movement

While I do not intend to inflame or demean the aforementioned persons, my writing is intended to enlighten. If I have any angst on this issue, it is toward revisionist history that has been over-simplified by mass-media.

I ask you to enrich yourselves of the true history of the Civil Rights Movement which was won by millions of Black, White and other Americans of goodwill and fairness. Its leadership was and is an evolving collective of great and sincere minds, many who died before MLK’s "…Dream" speech was presented. His memorable oration symbolized hopes of those gone by as well as those who conceived, orchestrated and participated in the many events of/for civil disobedience to provide equal rights to all U. S. citizens.

During the 60's numerous local, state-wide, collegiate, and national leaders and organizers are part of that movement's leadership including African-Americans such as A. Philip Randolph, Thurgood Marshall, Mary McLeod Bethune, Bayard Ruskin, Adam Powell Jr., Whitney Young Jr., James Farmer Jr., Dorothy Height, Benjamin Hooks, Medgar Evers, Malcolm X, Ralph Abernathy, Julian Bond, Stokely Carmichael, NAACP, CORE, SCLC, SNCC, and many other individuals and organizations, as well as Dr. Martin L. King Jr. whose core group included Andrew Young and Jesse L. Jackson, leader of SCLC's Operation Breadbasket.

My main point is that MLK was a MAJOR leader in the Civil Rights Movement and after his assassination was transformed in the minds of many from a rebel rousing, socialistic revolutionary, and trouble-maker into THE SYMBOL of Civil Rights Movement. King neither claimed to nor did he invent the Movement. We the down-trodden, most of whom had suffered, witnessed and/or disdained the multifarious BEAST of slavery, brutality, race-based sadism & crime (lynching, rapes, property theft, etc.), Jim Crow segregation, and more subtle forms of racism were and are the MOVEMENT, which essentially urges all people to become and exercise the BEST of our HUMAN capabilities.

Let’s stop this decline in our humanity and RISE to our potential!

I believe Obama is just one of many who are trying their best to realize our Creator's Plan, which MLK and others adopted.

Vote for whom you believe in after you have digested each candidate's stance on policy issues. But, do so to save yourself, your family and loved-ones, our nation, Earth and all inhabitants.

Michi   January 14th, 2008 8:24 pm ET

How about a duh moment in regards to Obama. Senator Obama is a truly viable intelligent and qualified person of color who could possibly be our next President. For the Clinton's and their supporters who should know better to diminish his accomplishments as not "doing" but only "hoping" is sick. Barack Obama came from humble beginnings and accomplished much and he RISKS his life every day in his campaign to bring about real change.

I'm a Native American female and I see this fight in ways that might be different than most. When will black Americans finally realize that just because the Clintons have been their friends, doesn't mean they owe them. As my mother taught me, you "do" for others because it is right and not for the pat on the back or for making people obligated to you.

Hillary and her friends know very well how much of a risk to his life Obama is taking to run for this Presidential office….but she is so greedy about her ambitions she would rather forfeit Obama in every way so she can attain her goal. The Clinton's greed for power seems to have no end.

Edward Davidson   January 14th, 2008 8:21 pm ET

Firstly, Clinton was in fact the one who brought up the "race issue" into the campaign. She basically said blamed Obama for her poor choice of words, which suggestively belittled the work of Dr. King, at least leaving people with the thought bubble of "?"

" Dr King's dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964… the president before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done… That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became real in people's lives, because we had a president who said we're going to do it and actually got it done." – HRC on Jan 7 2008

"It is wrong that Sen. Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgement and how he had been against the war. There's no difference in your voting record, and Hillary's ever since. Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen." – Bill, Jan 7 2008.

Secondly, Obama's campaign is far from all talk. Nor it is an inconcievable "fairy tale." I encourage you to go to each candidate's self named website and overview their respective plans for addressing issues. You will find that Obama's plans are significantly more detailed and encompassing than Clinton's.

Lastly, Hillary is boasting about how she will bring change when she has accepted hundreds of millions of dollars from lobbyists, which include insurance and health care companies. Yet she plans to significantly change the health care system? If you don't believe me search "hillary clinton lobbyist money" on your seach engine and watch the video of her confession. Obama has accepted no lobbyist money, at all. Clinton is delusional if she thinks lobbyists represent the American people. Lobbyists are a huge part of what is keeping this country from improving which is why Obama has laid out such a detailed and forceful plan to root them out of Washington.

Guys and gals, forget about the lies, slanders, and hype. Pay attention to the facts, the evidence , and make your own interpretation instead of being led back in time by Sen. Clinton's brand of old-school, quick and dirty, self-serving, undermining and under the table politics.

And for all the hard core feminists out there who are subjectively and stubbornly supporting Hillary please… don't just settle for any woman simply because she's a woman, and because the females around you support her, which makes you all feel a bond. Please consider the fate of this country too.This woman in particular is really not what America needs right now.

And black people who have posted or are reading posts, whom I assume are of middle or perhaps upper class. PLEASE, make sure that your lower class black friends, assuming you have them, have reason for supporting Clinton besides that they love Bill. I mean, it drives me crazy to think that some folks can be so simple and gullible. And Bob Johnson!?!?… well I'll save that for another post.

CAROLE ALLENDALE NEW JERSEY   January 14th, 2008 8:20 pm ET

come on bill tell us all the of the 80 things obama said.. we deserve to hear it if its true right ? come on do the right thing.. the list exists right ?

sky   January 14th, 2008 8:20 pm ET

Once again, the press, pundits, and sadly, the progressive blogs have done such a poor job vetting Obama, that he gets away with practically everything. As Lawrence O'Donnell admitted, the press hates Hillary, and were gleefully waiting to watch her fall after NH. If Hillary so much as sneezes, it's played in the press as horrendous. Take, for example, the fairy tale quote. I saw Russert play a snippet of it completely out of context on MTP; he totally misconstrued the entire message of what Bill was saying. Bill was ONLY referring to Obama's Iraq stance. It had nothing to do with his ability to become the first black President. Russert shouldn't even call himself a journalist if he thinks false baiting merits a reputable interview. For all of you people who are appalled by Bill's behavior, please go to youtube or look up the entire quote. Now if everything I said and did was perpetually twisted by pundits, left wing bloggers, and yes, the other presidential contenders, I think I'd get a little testy too. And if my wife was constantly attacked with no recourse from the press, and a silly public that perpetually says, "Shame on you, Bill and Hillary," I think I'd bring out my list too. As a matter of fact, I'd bring out the boxing gloves. If the press would do their job, Bill wouldn't have to resort to this.

SB   January 14th, 2008 8:20 pm ET

I heard former President Clinton on the Tom Joyner Show this morning and I was really shocked. He was on a rampage. It is distressing to hear a former U.S. President behave in the way that he did this morning. I know that he is well known for distorting the truth, but his behavior on that radio show this morning was out of control.

I think the Clinton's are about to reap what they sow.

Kim Knight   January 14th, 2008 8:19 pm ET

Hillary Clinton is a joke. She makes the idea of voting for George Bush again not look so bad!!! She a worrying figure in this race to the Whitehouse. I just pray that she doesn't make it for America's sake. She truly doesn't seem to realise the damage she will do. She'll become complacent and expect Bill to do everything as we have seen recently. "Bill, help me!! I can't do this on my own!!"
She's too gun-ho! ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK – Thats what she does best – then she starts crying. It's early days yet, and she's already showing signs of weakness. Just imagine how this all looks in the eyes of foreign leaders; SHE'S ALREADY ANNOUNCED SHE'S TOO AFRAID TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM. You've got be truly insane if you don't think terrorists wont like the fact she isn't tough. She is an unwise choice for America, she is not likeable – not by america, not by republicans and not even by her fellow democrats – she is the status quo, and that's the last thing needed to bring the country together around issues to get things done. Obama has a track record of doing this. He is likeable, and is very tough and smart on foreign policy, healthcare and education. Many experts say he is spot on with his policies! And quite frankly I know he is the right choice for the Presidency. I trust his judgement and intelligence. He embodies change needed for the future. The Clintons are the past, and they seriously need to make way for the future.

Charlene in VA   January 14th, 2008 8:09 pm ET

People you all "I take that back "Most of you sound like a babies. The first time something is said that you don’t like you jump ship. will if you feel that way your vote need not count, because you don’t seem to be able to make a decisions for yourself you seem to need the media to tell you “what to think and who to vote for” You can tell who the media is trying to get everyone to vote for and I don’t understand why they just don’t report the news the way they are suppose to and not add and twist what they want to get said. I am an African American woman and I still support HRC. 2008

Elisabeth, Burlington, VT   January 14th, 2008 8:08 pm ET

Obama has never brought race up in this campaign. He has said that he wants to run to on the issues and to bring resolution to the issues facing the country.

I can't decide whether the Clintons meant to bring race into the campaign or not. Some have suggested that this may be a way to get the Reagen democrats to side with her, believing she can survive South Carolina with the majority of the white vote and some black vote. I just have to wonder how two usually articulate people couldn't manage to say what they meant to say more clearly. I also have to wonder how several Clinton supporters manage to say such stupid things on the Clintons' behalf.

This may have a silver lining for Obama, though. If he has to deal with these issues now he'll be better prepared to deal with them in the general election.

P.S. Will some of you get over his Muslim father and his middle name. My middle name is Jean and my parents were Catholic. I'm not to blame for (nor am I ashamed of) either.

Needle's Eye   January 14th, 2008 8:05 pm ET

Lost in this dust-up: actual history.

Eisenhower sent the National Guard to Little Rock, AK, to protect Black students.

JFK did nothing (he thought and he considered, but had no action).

LBJ supported and made the 1965 act the law of the land.

MLK led the civil rights movement, yes — but he had no power to create and install civil rights protections.

President Lyndon B. Johnson made civil rights a reality.

waterprise2   January 14th, 2008 7:56 pm ET

One more thing, Barack NEVER compared himself to JFK, RFK, or MLK. He just envoked their memories and legacies to show what can be done when the Country is inspired instead of divided. Period.

CAROLE ALLENDALE NEW JERSEY   January 14th, 2008 7:56 pm ET

well what a lady hillary is.. she just said "i disagree" and the clintons have come out swinging.. so dear ol' bill has a list of 80 things obama has said about hillary.. if that were true they would have come out long before this. the clintons love to get down and dirty.. do we want this for 4 more years. the clintons will always prove the people that they are.. and that we can all do without.. search and destroy. that is their mission.. i wish i knew how she got this far.. oh yes, it was riding on ol' bills coattails.. im just so sick of them.. i think they have proven what and who they are……..in the 90's

waterprise2   January 14th, 2008 7:54 pm ET

I was a BIG supporter of the Clintons…I thought that even though Bill lied about his affair, it was NOT a national security issue so why all the fuss? But I have lost ALL respect for both of them. Ever since Barack still rising in the polls, the attacks have gone on and on. They've tried everything from his middle name (English translation: "handsome") to his trying drugs in his use (so did Bill, but he didn't "inhale"–give me a break) to voting "Present" in the IL Legislature…knowing full well that means that the bill is still being worked on.

Obama said NOTHING about what Hillary or her surrogates have said over and over and over. Hillary (and Bill) just whine and complain…they want to get back in the White House and will do anything to get there.

When Hillary lost Iowa, she blamed everyone and everything, including the Caucus system. She didn't complain about the Nevada caucus system until she lost the endorsement.

Of course they've both done good things in their past. But the last few weeks, they've gotten so far down in the mud…and now they're mad because Barack won't go down there with them.

Hillary has complained and blamed everyone ever since the "Great Right Wing Conspiracy", and it's getting pretty tiresome.

Everyone is mad because Barack has nothing to hide. He DID come out against the war in 2002 in front of over 3,000 people. He DID vote for funding, because are you to leave the soldiers over there with nothing?

The Clintons kept this up AFTER they squeaked out a 2% edge in NH; yet all the big endorsements from Unions and Democratic Leaders of Red and Blue States came AFTER last Tuesday. That's why the Clintons are mad and they wanted another story in the media to bury all of Barack's endorsements.

Barack has had his family everywhere…even on his "Christmas Card"…where was Bill on Hillary's?

Obama has taken the high road, and will continue to do so. His whole campaign has been transcendent of race and gender and uniting the entire country.

Hillary has changed her campaign slogans and copied Barack's themes for the past few months…because she sees that what he is saying is what the people want.

I'm sorry Bill and Hillary…people see what they will get "On Day One"…and they don't want it.

Nobama No Way   January 14th, 2008 7:48 pm ET

"Through all of this supposed back and forth between Obama and Clinton. You have rarely heard Obama speak about this. He makes a statement and leaves it at that. While the Clintons keep going at it, and brining it up.. "

Please – when reporters keep bringing it up, what is she supposed to do, just say "I disagree" and let it go? Watch the video from Meet the Press. She tried to disagree, and Russert kept reading more blips that weren't complete – you can't just expect her to sit there and do nothing about it.

When someone is standing there punching you in the gut, are you going to just say "Oh, he's hitting me" and let him keep doing it? NO! You're going to defend yourself. Edwards and Obama are the ones that starting slinging the mud in Iowa, and the Clinton campaign started defending themselves, plain and simple. Oh but she can't defend herself without coming across as a b-word. Nor can she show an emotional moment without coming across as too soft.

GET OVER YOURSELVES, PEOPLE!

CLINTON '08

Jake, ATL   January 14th, 2008 7:42 pm ET

To you people who keep bringing up the Present vote, often times politicians vote present as part of a larger plan. For example, in the Illinois Legislature, the Repubs brought up a bill called "Live Birth Abortion" which would put moderate Dems between a rock and a hard place. Think about it, the Repubs could use it on the campaign trail and say, "You see, Senator So-and-so supports live birth abortions!" So the Democratic leadership devised a plan ALONG with Planned Parenthood to vote "present" so the Democrats in a tight spot would have this option.

So, if you only believe what they tell you, you aren't doing yourself any good. Educate yourself before you start insulting those of us who support other candidates.

Have a nice day, and be a Hopemonger!

Obama 08   January 14th, 2008 7:37 pm ET

Publish the list…stating there are 80 is not good enough…and while you are at it replay the clip that they say Obama was comparing himself to MLK and JFK….wasn't it the Clinton contention that they could take anything the Republicans threw at them…seems pretty thin skinned to me.

The real purpose of all of this was to deflect the high level endorsements that Obama was receiving and the thoughtful support and explanations by Kerry and Dashul (sic) on the other Sunday shows.

I can't understand how people continue to support these two…

Teacher   January 14th, 2008 7:31 pm ET

I would rather have 5th graders elect a new president.Surprisingly They can see through the bull better than the average American.

Walt, TX   January 14th, 2008 7:30 pm ET

Getting an honest answer from Hillary or slick willie is like getting driving lessons from Ted Kennedy.

Pasqualato   January 14th, 2008 7:20 pm ET

Hillary has brought change to my family. Every time we see them on TV, we change the channel.

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Hhahahaha

s.positive   January 14th, 2008 7:20 pm ET

AMERICA, continue to disgrace yourself as the world watches and laughes. We can't we focus on what is good about us, is it really that bad????????

Greg   January 14th, 2008 7:20 pm ET

I have been a Democrat most of my life. I have been a Bill Clinton supporter, even when I probably should have questioned his lying to congress. I felt he was a good president, and times were good. My perception was he was a fair man who listened, and acted with reason.
Was I wrong?

Since Geo. Bush kidnapped the White house and the republican party, the Democrats took back Congress and tripped and stumbled into the worst exhibit of "bad government" as well, I have become more independent. At this juncture, please, just give me a president that can lead! Give me a president whom can speak articulately, speak with passion, who can show strength when needed, not hubris. I am bored by ignorance, I am scared by it as well. But most of all, I am completely fed up with politics the same old way. Stop talking about "I" every time you open your mouth. This is our country, we are electing you, you are no king or queen. Engage us, motivate us, serve us with dignity and accountability. if I should refer to a Kennedy speech I heard when I was a young boy, regarding these ideas, am I comparing my self to him. I think not. I am joining the march, expanding the dream.

Bill, what happen to you? Was my perception askew? It seems that there is some entitlement issues here. Do you want the white house so bad that you are willing to destroy the future of your party over this? Seems like it.

I hail from Chicago where politics is tough, to say the least. I may be naive, but give me the dream, and make it not be a Clinton!

Gobama   January 14th, 2008 7:17 pm ET

A-B-C – ANYONE BUT CLINTON!

STATUS QUO MUST GO!

NO CLINTON 3rd TERM!

NO MORE FOULING OF THE WHITE HOUSE NEST!

NO MORE UNDERMINING OF US PRESIDENCY!

WP, Phoenix, AZ   January 14th, 2008 7:17 pm ET

I've never seen so many people believe obvious lies. Seriously, this is actually kind of scary! Is there really that many ignorant people in this country?

Once again, will someone PLEASE provide quotes and/or links that show where Obama called Clinton a racist, compared himself to MLK and JFK, and has brought race into his campaign? SOMEONE. ANYONE. Please send all FACTS – not theories – to therza@cox.net.

Keith, Chicago   January 14th, 2008 7:16 pm ET

It is insane to see how misinformed some people are. There have been at least 50 people on this article alone, who have Obama for attacking Hillary Clinton – and many of those people are even saying that Obama insinuated that Clinton was a racist or even flat out called her a racist! WHEN did Obama ever do this! If you are going to make outrageous (and completely false) claims, at least use exact quotes and give your source. Otherwise, you are showing that you are misinformed at best, if not blatantly lying.

Anon   January 14th, 2008 7:16 pm ET

Where is this list, then? Or are these imaginary slights? In my opinion, real racebaiting trumps imaginary slights. Am I right?

homas   January 14th, 2008 7:15 pm ET

Both campaigns are wasting time sniping at each other: race card vs insensativity. The repubs are loving this. They hope the thin-skinned crowd will get in a huff and either sit out the election or go nuts and vote for Sen. "1,000 years in Iraq" McCain.

Please don't blow this chance. I don't think our country can withstand any more nutty Repub stunts.

Ken, Suitland MD   January 14th, 2008 7:06 pm ET

You ding-dongs posting here better look at and contrast the PLATFORMS/POLICIES of the candidates amid the larger context of the national election. You whiners who say you won't vote for this-or-that democrat because of perceived slights or harsh campaigning had better WAKE UP! I would suggest that those who feel this way probably added to the ranks of the unperceptive who found excuses not to vote, or vote for Bush, in 2000,2004. Those who did so should be ashamed, and those who would repeat the mistake again during this campaign cycle should be more that ashamed.

GUARANTEE: the losing candidates of the democratic primary campaign will all vote for the democratic nominee!!! So, to all those who won't vote for the "other" candidate, JUST WHY WOULD YOU SO STRONGLY SUPPPORT SOMEONE WHO WOULD VOTE FOR THE "OTHER" CANDIDATE?????????

But why trouble yourselves with such deep thoughts. Just let Bush III from the repbub-nut side have another crack at the presidency, right? You don't mind fighting endless "pre-emptive" wars do you? You don't mind letting climate change go unabated? Why what's wrong with a little more debt, anyway? And none of you has anything to hide; let the Fed. gov't, led by a king-executive, decide who has civil rights when — after all, those wing-nuts SAY they are all for the constitution, right? Do you really think any of the wing-nut candidates out there are going to significantly change any of these right-wing policies? They wouldn't get their nomination, if they proposed it.

Cheryl   January 14th, 2008 7:05 pm ET

Hillary is dividing the party because she feels the Presidency is owed to her. She whines, cries and throw fits when she can not get her way. Hell they should have had another child. The child would be more of an adult than her.

JACK ny, ny   January 14th, 2008 7:03 pm ET

I am still waiting for response from Obama supporter who are chanting like maniac

since you know so much about Obama, May be you can explain why he voted

PRESENT on key issues in senate.

Please stop all those lame excuses for this guy

scotty   January 14th, 2008 7:02 pm ET

THIS ALL JUST PROVES OR SHALL I SAY CONFIRMS ONE THING:
2 SETS OF RULES IN THIS COUNTRY

Bimmer   January 14th, 2008 6:58 pm ET

Those suggesting that the Clintons are insensitive towards African American are desperate and oblivious to the facts..

Is not Bill Clinton known as the "First Black President of USA?

Did not Vernon Jordan stood by Clinton during tough times when everbody deserted him?

Antonio   January 14th, 2008 6:58 pm ET

Most of what I read here sounds very inmature.

The journey to The White House has been always rough.

These controversies are very good, because they let us learn details that aren't covered during TV debates, etc.

The President of this country will be under fire and on the spotlight, all the time. Isn't it now a good time to get trained on it?

Obama has an impressive potential, but Hillary is closer to what we need, closer to what it may take to sit in the Oval Office.

People: WE ARE TALKING about the President of the USA. Isn't experience a matter to be counted on? It was was. Why not now? Just because we are infatuated with Obama? No way.

If it were about Obama vs. unknown one, I'd say Obama.

But it's Obama vs Hillary: we sould say: Hillary. THOUSANDS of times.

Respect to all.

David, California   January 14th, 2008 6:49 pm ET

Obama won't discuss his illegal drug use, won't tell what his experience really is, won't say how he is the "only one" to bring people together and now says that the comments by the Clintons are racist in vague terms that we all get.
He doesn't have any good ideas or sound judgement as his drug use and suspect contacts with some people to be our President.
His followers must be poor and uneducated to vote for him or follow him blindly.

Vote for Hillary

Vidya   January 14th, 2008 6:43 pm ET

Newsflash for November 5, 2008:

And that is how the Republicans retained the White House in 2008……..

V. Leonard   January 14th, 2008 6:42 pm ET

Save the fight for the Republicans.

HOW could anyone contemplate voting McCain? He hasn't a single idea regarding the most important issues facing us in the next 8 years… just more of the same old crap that got us into this mess to begin with.
FACT: Obama's work in Congress has been groundbreaking.
FACT: Obama did much better in law school than Hillary.
FACT: Many of our great Presidents were not steeped in the politics of Washington before they assumed leadership.

Stop letting polls, political pundits, other people do your thinking for you. Think hard about what kind of country you want to leave your children. Do you want them to lose more civil liberties… do you want them to face disease and possible death as a result of our failure to address climate change?
Great! Then vote Republican… and watch your worst nightmares come true!

Sharon   January 14th, 2008 6:39 pm ET

It's a promise – I will vote Republican before I will vote for Obama.

jim   January 14th, 2008 6:36 pm ET

This is a sad day for both Barack and Hiliary. In courting the so called" black vote" as if the African American community holds the keys to the whitehouse, both have been drawn into the type of bickering that their "change" campaigns promised to end. Why not try to speak to all Americans without the constant voting block pandering. Healthcare, Jobs, Safe communities. good schools, a functional federal government are AMERICAN issues. This race discussion is costing them both. Change? What change?

As an African American, I don't vote "black" and no one " leads" me. I'm voting for the best candidate I think can lead this country doing some very challenging times. I am a registered Republican who saw for the first time, two Democrat candidates in Obama and Clinton that could end the divisive politics of Gerorge Bush, who I'm horrified to say I voted for.

Let's get back to the issues. I'm not voting for a "poker buddy". I want to cast my vote for a president who hopefully will have the dignity and grace this country deserves.

Nick ny, ny   January 14th, 2008 6:35 pm ET

I think Democrats are really doomed esp people like Jesse Jackson Jr going around on TV and attacking on Hillary's loss of composer last week. Then Michelle Obama going and running around her mouth. No one talks about that. However it is a big problem if Hillary fights back or Bill supports his wife.
Obama has been trying to play as this very very honest politician something america has never seen. He coming out now as a wolf in sheeps clothing.

E Sterling   January 14th, 2008 6:26 pm ET

Ok folks. If these two don't quit slinging mud like two kids at recess, let's go find someone else to run this country. I am SO disappointed in both of them.

mike kaplan   January 14th, 2008 6:25 pm ET

I would gladly vote for either Hillary or Obama, and I hope that things don't too ugly on the campaign trail. One of them is going to be the nominee, and we really need to avoid another 4 years of Republicans screwing up the country. The Clinton years were pretty good for all of us, and I would gladly go back to those days. At the same time Obama seems like he would make a great president too- he's intelligent, the opposite of the present President.

People, we need to stay focused on the most important thing here- getting the Republicans out of power. They've screwed up EVERYTHING at this point- it's going to be a tough job for either Obama or Hillary to undo so much damage. But at least we can stop them from doing any more damage.

Susan   January 14th, 2008 6:22 pm ET

I am a DEMOCRAT and Proud supporter of Obama

jan   January 14th, 2008 6:22 pm ET

Glass houses and stones comes to mind.

One thing republicans, like myself can always count on, you lefties love to eat your own.

carry on, I got me popcorn and soda pop, am in my pajamas and watching the show!

Polly Tics   January 14th, 2008 6:22 pm ET

I voted for Bill both times he ran and supported him for all the years that followed, but I have to say that I am throughly disgusted with the way in which they are running against Obama. I am shocked at their obvious bias that they use when it suits them while singing the old "we are with the people" song. Now they are even trying to divide and tamp down the Nevada vote when the main union decided to support Obama instead of Clinton.

EGADS, they are acting like Republicans and I have had it with them both. Whereas I might have voted for Hillary at one time; I will now NEVER vote for her NOR support Bill Clinton ever again.

Amazing what the hunger for power does to ordinary human beings…

Michael James -- Illinois   January 14th, 2008 6:21 pm ET

Only Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband could have the temerity to suggest that Obama is distorting her inane and wrong-headed comments, especially the ones about LBJ vs. MLK Jr.

There is a valid point to be made that LBJ deserves some praise for his efforts, but give me a break. The only reason he was prompted to act was the change in attitudes wrought by the boycotting, protesting, demonstrating, sitting in and speaking out done by various leaders of the civil rights movement, which was personified by Dr. King. Oh, and the fact that JFK was assassinated before he had a chance to make the official move on the legislation.

In any event, the whole dustup started after Clinton accused Obama of raising false hopes, to which Obama responded by rightly pointing out that Dr. King and JFK's messages would have been radically different if they had agreed with the Clinton philosophy. "I have a dream, but let's not get our hopes up and we need a reality check because it probably won't happen" is not the message Dr. King was sending.

Backed into a rhetorical corner, Ms. Rodham Clinton decided to belittle Dr. King's work by saying, essentially, that well, it was very nice of Dr. King to do a few things that might have helped, but it took a President to get it done. Unbelievable.

Don't misunderstand me here, Lyndon Johnson does deserve some credit for advancing the cause of civil rights, but the impetus for those advances was clearly not something that he initiated. It was a movement of people that created the political will to act and culminated in legislation. It did not come out of nowhere from a decider-in-chief of the kind Hillary aspires to be.

I don't believe she is a racist, but she either has serious contempt for Dr. King's contributions to social justice and/or is willing to throw him under the bus in order to score whatever political victory she thinks she can score by saying these things. Either way, this whole situation is just the latest example of how completely and thoroughly Hillary Rodham Clinton just does not get it.

Then, to add insult to injury, instead of realizing that she has made yet another clumsy rhetorical mistake, she lashes out at Obama and blames him for the outrage many people rightly feel, despite the fact that Obama did not even comment on her LBJ vs. Dr. King statement until asked directly about it by a reporter well after the original Clinton comments were made. And even then, he really didn't say anything that should be considered an attack.

Now, Bill is at it again. Please just make the Clintons go away!!!

Good people of America, I implore you. Please send a clear message to the practitioners of these scurrilous Clint-rovian politics.

I urge everyone to actively support and vote for Barack Obama.

lungdoc2006   January 14th, 2008 6:19 pm ET

William Jefferson Clinton is playing the "nasty attacker" same way a vice-president candidate traditionally does during a preelection campaign….how undignified for a former president but again,dignity and Clintonian behavior are oxymorons.

joy   January 14th, 2008 6:18 pm ET

Hillary, new she may lose SC, instead of fighting for the African American vote in SC with the odds stacked against her, she came out with an excuse of why she may lose, But Obama didn't do that in Iowa he knew he had to overcome the odds and he ran a clean campaign to do it, and he ran a great campaign in new hampshire, so this race issue is being perputrated by the clintons, america is not as racist as the media and the clintons would make us believe. and i am an african american

brandie tampa   January 14th, 2008 6:17 pm ET

Funny, my comment never got posted…

Who wants a fake, weepy, woman as president? The terrorists do. Al Qaeda's gotta love her fake emotional breakdown. Maybe hormonal woman who are emotional or PMS'ing give her a sympathy vote…just like our soldiers getting killed in the middle east by insurgent sympathizers.

Who wants a president who is so fake that she stays in a marriage for political status? Fake Americans with no morals or values.

Who wants a president who has "35 years of change" under her belt….but has not mentioned ANY of these "positive" accomplishments…& instead focuses on attacking and mud slinging the other candidates? Those who actually believe SHE'S DONE ANYTHING FOR ANYONE BUT HERSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A.K.A—delusional Americans.

I am interested in hearing the candidates accomplishments & intentions IN DETAIL as opposed to them slashing their opponents in order to get trivial voters votes.

Obama has too much class. She thinks MLK is a nobody & LBJ is "the man"…but I beg to differ. Yes, LBJ had the power to legislate, but without MLK, none of it would have been established in the first place. If you ask me—-Obama can be both!!! He has HOPE which this country is in desperate need of a fresh start from the 20—-yes TWENTY-YEAR REIGN of Bush's & Clintons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With Obama in place, in the presidency, historical things can & WILL take place. And THAT is the HOPE that Obama supporters hold in our hearts for our future & for our children.

Go, OBAMANATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OBAMA 2008 & BEYOND!!!!!!!!!

G.T.O,   January 14th, 2008 6:14 pm ET

Is it like a HIT LIST?lol

Jim - Tulsa Okla   January 14th, 2008 6:14 pm ET

hillary can't even do her own fighting …………. has to send hillybilly out to do it ………. another gender gap play ………….. is that another tear i see in her eye?

diprimalaw   January 14th, 2008 6:13 pm ET

Bill Clinton's "I have a list of 80 Obama attacks" is eerily reminiscent of Senator Joseph R. McCarthy's "I have a list," a tactic that will live in infamy. The Ex President had a unique opportunity to do enormous good at as a stateman in the next two decades, but not after this McCarthyesque new low.

hypocrite?   January 14th, 2008 6:10 pm ET

"Why doesn't someone ask Obama about his athiest mother and his muslim father, and why Obama doesn't like to wear the flag pin, or why he doesn't place his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegience. He likes to say that he attended Catholic school, but that doesn't mean anything other than his way of interjecting a semblence of religion into his political campaign."- Julie Albuquerque, NM

It is not Mr. Obama "interjecting" religion into his campaign, it's zealots like you. What difference does it make if his mother was an atheist or if his father was a muslim? How can that possibly affect his ability to lead? If anything, it shows that he has experience with different beliefs and opinions, not just the homogenous ones which we see from nearly all candidates and past presidents. He "likes" to say that he attended Catholic school? He did, it's a fact. Please, when you post something, think before you post, don't just write with your religion in mind. Have an open perspective, for all of our sakes.

DrumMajorForJustice   January 14th, 2008 6:10 pm ET

Any self-respecting African American who believes the self-serving Robert Johnson is uninformed. This is a man who capitalized BET with the major help of African American dollars; and when BET succeeded in bringing the ghetto culture African Americans hoped to escape to the living rooms of the new African American middle class, corupting our children and denigrating our women, he saw hugh increases in BET's value. Seeing this he became "greedy" and set out to take BET private again. He set BET's value so far below its market value that the market value had to be set in arbitration to prevent the poor African Americans who capitalized BET, originally, from being robbed by Johnson!! Now, this man is a Clinton supporter. I'm not surprised! He is one of them: rich and self-absorbed.

If Mrs. Clinton is nominated by Democrats, I will sit out the election for president in 2008. I encourge all self-respecting African Americans to do the same thing.

Rick   January 14th, 2008 6:08 pm ET

I don't know why Mr. Obama complains so much about criticism from the Clintons. He is engaged in a political campaign. Criticism comes with the turf. I want to know where Mr. Obama stands on the issues. If he thinks he is above the fray, and should not be criticized or questioned as to his positions and his past, he should drop out of the election because he is out of touch with reality. There is a lot at stake here – namely the well being of the United States of America (and the rest of the world). I don't appreciate hearing platitudes and bromides from Mr. Obama, interspersed with complaints about how unfair it is to question him.

ReggaeFan   January 14th, 2008 6:04 pm ET

To the ISSUES, Clintons, to the issues. When will we hear talk about the issues? Is my man Edwards the only one discussing the issues?

kristiowens   January 14th, 2008 6:03 pm ET

this is so up setting as a black women to see us fighting if clinton get into office will vote for me kids. the clinton are playing right out the republican hand book.

Dara   January 14th, 2008 6:02 pm ET

Hillary has done more for the minorities of this country than ANY of the other candidates. RESEARCH her background and accomplishments instead of buying into the hype. The anti-Hillary rhetoric is nothing more than an extension of the anti-woman in leadership sentiment that has been both subtly and blatantly poisoned into American brains for the past 300 years. Her analogy is nothing more than saying one is not as good alone as it is with the other. Simple. But NO, the so called 'reporters' have to put their own twisted perspective and suggest her statement is inappropriate. SUCH double standards. During McCain's demonstration someone stood up and asked the question "What are we going to do about that B*!$tch" – all he did was laugh. He LAUGHED!!! Can you imagine what would have happened if someone asked him "What are we going to do about that (insert inappropriate N word here)? Why is anyone bringing THAT up? How come he get's away with BLATANTLY laughing at such a statement and not one so called “reporter,” or anyone for that matter, cares to speak of that? Unbelievable.

Hillary has been incredibly gracious, to say the least, during her campaign. Anyone who doesn’t see this is blinded by their own bigotry or has bought into the anti-female campaign that has plagued this country for over 300 years.

Independent   January 14th, 2008 5:59 pm ET

Ladies and gentlemen,

Could someone please tell me what the Clintons forgot in the white house and are going back to retrieve?
Who needs Bill for a 3rd term? Nobody…….

Sheldon   January 14th, 2008 5:58 pm ET

Obama supporters are made up of mostly republicans on this site who want Obama to win the nomination so they will have an easy target in the election. You can tell by the true hate in their message. They fool no one!
Hillary all the way!

Pat   January 14th, 2008 5:56 pm ET

The problem with little coverage of the campaign in remote geographic areas is that real issues are apt to be little more than hearsay, and most people don't believe rumors without validation.

The campaign has become so ugly with Hillary and Obama that both are likely to lose, in voter backlash.

Unless the issue can be made more relevant, and more clear, it is mere whispering in slur campaigns from one region to another, and irrelevant to most voters.

That is the problem for voters without greater voter contact with the candidates, and without more television exposure. Remote campaigns tend to do little to define and typecast candidates, reduced to ad credibility.

Monte   January 14th, 2008 5:56 pm ET

Obama himself admitted to drug use. Did he think it would never be discussed. Now he wants to "trash" anyone that mentions it. The media needs to get off his bandwagon and let the people determine whom they will vote for, keeping in mind that experience does count. Take a look at what happened when an inexperienced person reached the White House….

Bill Clinton, as a spouse has as much right to speak on behalf of Hillary as the other spouses of the candidates are doing.

The media needs to stop bashing the Clinton's!!!

Susan   January 14th, 2008 5:55 pm ET

Obama supporters are not somehow fanning the flames or what did a previous poster say?
" that fans have moved this and kept it alive" ..and by the way…..WE ARE NOT FANS…THIS IS NOT SOME SORT OF ELVIS OR SINATRA LIKE ATTRACTION…THIS IS CHOOSING THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!! This is not a rock star like attraction….or "Fairy Tale" as Bill put it….this is real…..The Clinton's resentment, frustration and anger came out loud and clear, regardless of whether Bill Clinton said the words "Fairy Tale" in reference to Iraq…They are certainly getting very desperate….that is very clear…they are pulling out all the stops as a desperate attempt to stop the wave of Obama…

bjg   January 14th, 2008 5:54 pm ET

i truely hope Obama stays above this ridiculous attack and distortion approach to campaigning – perhaps bill could list the 80 reasons why we would want his wife in the WH.

Julie   January 14th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

Bill Clinton should go home. This is Hillary's run…she's a big girl and should be able to take care of herself. How can I believe she will handle the Presidency if she cannot handle Bill Clinton. He is making idiotic lists and comments. Is this the "Clinton Family" technique. It looks like dirty, same-old politics to me. What a shame, but I am feeling that they will do and say anything to win.

The campaigns of the Democratic candidates have been well conducted until New Hampshire. The Clintons will only hurt and divide the Democratic party. How depressing that race should still be an issue.

Obama has run an intelligent, dignified campaign. I will vote for him…
not the Clinton Family.

Don't be naive   January 14th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

I've watched Hillary in debates. She always seemed genuine and had great manners. I saw that clip of the New Hampshire debate when Barack patronizingly told Clinton, "You're likeable enough, Hillary" after she said that Obama is very likeable. I was disappointed at Obama's response, even though Hillary sounded very sincere. The audience wasn't amused either. Obama made the wrong move there. With one small gesture, he was overconfident, arrogant, ungracious, and underestimated Hillary specifically and the people who liked her.
Maybe this is uncharacteristic of Obama. Maybe he was overconfident from the Iowa win, but that is something that made me look harder at him. Words can inspire, but actions are what really count in the end.

Julie - Albuquerque, NM   January 14th, 2008 5:52 pm ET

In response to "tr", at this point, I will vote Republican of Obama gets the Democratic nomination.

Scott, Royal Oak, MI   January 14th, 2008 5:51 pm ET

Lynn, I echo your (and Brooks's) sentiment about Obama. How nice would it be to have a president who values discourse and differing opinions and fairly takes into account other views while formulating his own.

Exact opposite of George W Bush.

AFSOCSARGE   January 14th, 2008 5:48 pm ET

So it's Hillary dividing the party???? Not Obama??? Wake up!

Fully Awake, The Clinton went into 100% Spin Control not Obama, Period ! No one told either one of them to start this and it was the "Black community" not Obama that made this an issue. Hillary should not even had mentioned "Anything" about what MLK could not have done. She was the one that made less of MLK's accomplishments not Obama ! She knew she struck a "Black Nerve" then tried to blame Obama, The Clintons made it worse with Brining in BET's Robert Johnson calling on Obama's Drug use. So I for one am "Fully Awake" on this "Blame The Victim" Karl Rove Tactic.

I'm "Really" for Obama Now !!!!

-AFSOC Sarge

Mike   January 14th, 2008 5:43 pm ET

I'm sick of the Clintons the Bushes and all the establishment candidates we've had shoved down our collective throats.

We will never get any better as long as the media is controlled. This is the worst-case nightmare for Americans.

The first step toward taking back this country is to gain control of media outlets. Then and only then can the truth be disemminated.

Next, an amendment to the Constitution which prevents any member of a family whose relative is president, a member of the House or Senate or a Governor, from running for any one of those posts until at least 20 years after their relative's term has ended. This would prevent these huge political families/dynasties.

Lastly, let's put our public officials on Social Security and dump their "pay for life" and free health care scams. NOBODY should be paid their salary forever… especially a gov't. worker whose salary WE pay.

Amy   January 14th, 2008 5:43 pm ET

How democratic is this? The campaign with the most misinformation and lies repeated is the one that can possibly win? 20 years of only 2 families? The money and influence of the status quo is what wins elections?

So why are we trying to spread democracy to the world if we can't even maintain it in our own elections? How corrupt is that?

It is time to take our country back. It is by the people and for the people, not this. I am soooooooo for Barack Obama in '08. We definitely need a positive CHANGE for the future of this democracy and nation.

Julie - Albuquerque, NM   January 14th, 2008 5:43 pm ET

Why doesn't someone ask Obama about his athiest mother and his muslim father, and why Obama doesn't like to wear the flag pin, or why he doesn't place his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegience. He likes to say that he attended Catholic school, but that doesn't mean anything other than his way of interjecting a semblence of religion into his political campaign.

Mongo, SF, CA   January 14th, 2008 5:42 pm ET

I think it depends on how one defines "have" – right Bill?

rw   January 14th, 2008 5:41 pm ET

Good for you Bill.

I have hear some of those jabs, but neither the Hillary camp nor the media has made an issue out of them. The Obama camp is desperate for votes in SC, because if he loses SC, he might as well not head into super Tuesday. Obama and his camp can play the race card for SC, but there will be payback Feb. 5th.

Eric in Massachusetts   January 14th, 2008 5:41 pm ET

Baracka Hussein Obama should pull out of the race now. Either that or he needs to make sure that his "supporters" (and I mean his close ones) stop putting race in the picture. Obama has only personally said a couple things directly accusing Hillary of saying racist things (Nobama's "ill-advised" comment about what Hillary said).

He doesn't have to say much, it's his inner circle that does it for him. His caucasian supporters will be put off if he keeps it up. He has already alienated some African Americans as well. If he is the great "Uniter", it's time to start acting like it.

His "freshman" politics is beginning to show through. He should know better, but of course he does not. Too bad. He would be doing everyone a favor if he drops out today and calls for unity in the party, allowing the contest to be between Hillary and Edwards. He needs to go get some experience and run again in 8 years. If he proves his vision through actions in the Senate, then I would vote for him in 8 years. Not now.

Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Chris Rock, Oprah, et al need to concentrate on issues and not the color of Obama's skin. It's getting old guys.

Texas   January 14th, 2008 5:40 pm ET

The name Clinton, makes me feel sick in my stomach. Yes, I voted for him the first time, but not the second. Just took me a short while for him to be in the White house and I wanted him out.
Still when interviewed (now) he has that ole' finger out there just a wagging. He must have forgotten what he said as he swung that finger to t he American People.
Clinton, should shut up and be the candiates husband. You don't see the other candiates on TV talking their spouse and letting them be on everything for them. Seems as me it is not Hillary that wants to be President, but Clinton.
They both should be ashame to want to darken the halls of OUR White House.
I will not vote if Hillary I want a fresh start and the country should all be for that. Kick out the old that did not work and put in fresh to see what they can do.

Give up Clinton, I don't think you are getting to Obama. He has too much pride and it shows. Your un ease is showing.

Willie J   January 14th, 2008 5:40 pm ET

Bill Clinton is standing in the doorway of the White House, saying that Obama gets in over his dead body

warren   January 14th, 2008 5:37 pm ET

As far as I am concerned Hillary has already had her 8 years as president when her husband was in office. And like her husband I dont like her either.

S Alexander   January 14th, 2008 5:37 pm ET

I tired of seeing a holier than thou attitude from Obama.
He began all of this with Oprah's and his comments re MLK. and attaching themselves to the coat tails of King. HE IS NO KING!
This continual taking the Clintons comments out of context is really a low blow.
He is the SHREWD ONE. He lets his campaign do the dirty work.
The American voter is not that naive, I hope.

Mr. Justice   January 14th, 2008 5:37 pm ET

Hillary will have trouble getting support from two groups: (1) liberals, due to her longtime support for the war in Iraq (although she's pretending to have "long had doubts about this war" . . . NOPE; she continues to vote to fund it), and (2) men, since (a) as a feminist, she thinks that men are PIGS, and (b) she reminds so many men of their ex-wives. If Bill hadn't messed around while married to her, HE would be running for president in 2008 . . . he was the last good Republican president we had.

Lance in Monrovia   January 14th, 2008 5:37 pm ET

I have lost all respect for Bill and Hillary Clinton. I'm a lifelong Democrat. I will not vote for Hillary Clinton. She'd rather the Democratic party be torn apart rather than she lose the nomination to Barack Obama.

When Bill Clinton said he'd be slinging mud, he really meant it. What he forgot is that when mud is slung, you get dirty in the process.

Hiding in all that mud don't make you black Bill, it just makes you look silly.

I'm angry. Very angry at the Clintons for the way they've decided to run their campaign.

I will be voting for Barack Obama, and doing everything I can do to see him elected.

Lets get a real leader in office for a change.

Obama 08.

Brock, Dallas, TX   January 14th, 2008 5:35 pm ET

I don't have a problem with the Clintons or the Obamas. I DO have a problem with the "media" and how the "media" funnels this story. The "media" calls the shots and determines winners and losers.

Les Blain   January 14th, 2008 5:35 pm ET

Hillary missed the point. LBJ didn't fulfill Dr. King's vision. The core of King's "I have a dream" speech is that men be gauged by the content of their character, not what they look like. No single political figure can ever hope to bring that into concrete reality by the stroke of a pen. Dr. Kings vision of the way things could (and ought) to be is a matter of mind and heart in millions and millions of people. By that measure, then, that an African American could make a credible run for the highest office in this land comes much closer to proving the dream fulfilled than anything LBJ did or didn't do.

J Pharao   January 14th, 2008 5:32 pm ET

One thing is sure: There won't be any Bush-Clinton dynasty in America. It seems to me like the Clintons are ready to do anything to get another shot at the presidency. Their attacks, and "list of attacks" are just outrageous. Their actions convince me of one thing: The party of FDR, JFK, and LBJ really needs fresh faces, fresh ideas, and a new direction.

Chris, Orlando, FL   January 14th, 2008 5:32 pm ET

Obama needs an autopsy. We need to examine him and call him out on things, just as we do every other candidate. When will people realize that this isn't The Apprentice. The job they're vying for is President of the United States, and as such, close examination of the facts is necessary, even if we get a little dirty in the process. Thank heavens we don't live in Russia or Pakistan or Central Africa where people die over these things. Lighten up, Obama crazies… he's brought this upon himself by virtue of competing for the position.

Mike Allen   January 14th, 2008 5:32 pm ET

The real issue isn't that Hillary is shallow and cold blooded. We KNOW That. The real issue is that Hillary does not have the guts to commit to pull the troops out of Iraq.

Dr. Who   January 14th, 2008 5:31 pm ET

Hillary's first mistake in running for President, allowing Bill to campaign for her.

timbnyc   January 14th, 2008 5:31 pm ET

"I have in my hand a list….."

He's channeling Joe McCarthy! It's almost freudian, like a confession that's he making things up even as he says his lines!

Jacques Malan   January 14th, 2008 5:31 pm ET

American politics! Worse than ever; still the most tranparent process on earth. The guys with the money will win. Yes or No?

Lynn   January 14th, 2008 5:30 pm ET

I wish the people who dislike Obama or claim he lacks experience would somehow take a look at this past weekend's "Tim Russert" show on MSNBC. I'm not talking about "Meet the Press," but about the weekly roundtable discussion Russert holds. David L. Brooks made a couple of comments that really stopped me in my tracks. He said he has covered the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, of which Obama is a member, and that after Brooks wrote a column about something the Committee had done, Obama sent him an e-mail that made it clear Obama was perceptive enough to know exactly what Brooks was thinking. I really can't explain it here, but Brooks said numerous other people with whom he'd spoken have had the same experience — that Obama might not agree with what you're saying, but he understands it perhaps even better than you do, and he respects your opinion. It really gave me chills. Brooks said Obama has been able to get a lot of cooperation that way.

Sadly, my immediate thought was that I can't even imagine Hillary Clinton having that kind of relationship with people she doesn't agree with. I honestly don't think she originally was as divisive as Bill is, but she really has picked up a lot from him, and in my opinion it has made her less empathetic. I think she would really have been something if she'd gotten rid of Bill at some point. But she got sucked into his way of doing things and now she can't seem to let it go. Very sad.

Raymond   January 14th, 2008 5:29 pm ET

So it's Hillary dividing the party???? Not Obama??? Wake up! Obama has pushed this and tried to spin it anyway he could. had he just said that he understood what Hillary was saying and it everything was ok then we could have moved on, BUT, unlike his platform to UNITE, he has divided!!! So its Obama and all his "fans" that have moved this and kept it alive. So that's who is dividing the Democratic party right now, not Hillary.

beckie   January 14th, 2008 5:29 pm ET

I voted for Bill Clinton the first time he ran for President but did not the second time he was elected.
I can not believe what he is doing, he really makes himself look bad by downing Obama. It really makes him look desperate.
You know, Obama was honest enough to put in his book about his drug use.
I can remember when it came out about Bill Clinton smoking marijuana, he said "I didn't inhale!"
Seems to me he always has an excuse for everything he does.
Could it be that he is standing behind Hillary so much now, that he is trying to redeem himself with her when he disgraced OUR oval office and shamed her (Hillary)? Are we as Americans going to let him step foot back in that oval office to visit Hillary when he disgraced it so? He doesn't deserve to be in our White House.
I am praying that some of Hillary's advisers will read these comments and stop the bickering on the Clinton's side before out country is shamed again.
I have not made up my mind as to who I am going to vote for but it will not be another term for the Clintons!!

Arshad   January 14th, 2008 5:25 pm ET

The notion that any AA person feeling upset by Clinton's comments somehow speaking for Obama campaign is ridiculous. First protests came from SC congressman James Clyburn and DNC official Donna Brazil and both of them are neutral, did not endorse anyone. They did not speak on behalf of Obama campaign but from their own conscience. They are matured adult and responsible people and were not going to denounce Clintons just because Obama's campaign somehow persuaded them as Hillary implies. So Hillary made questionable comments, she made some black leaders upset and she as well as Bill are now trying to clean their mess. That's what the story is. Why they are pointing fingers to Obama for their own mess?

Media is doing a poor job. Instead of characterizing this as a relentless attack against Obama, they are saying back and forth. Democratic leadership is invisible. Senators and Congressmen should come forward and take a stand and make it clear that they will not allow race to be exploited for election purpose.

Clintons have every right to criticize Obama's position but they don't have the right to distort his record on pro-choice or on Iraq. She can defend her own vote for Iraq war but insisting that Obama did not protest against war before the war started is wrong. When Illinios planned parenthood suggesting Obama maintained 100% positive record on pro-choice position, then sending mailers otherwise is lie. It's a contest. There will be debate. Everyone is entitle to their own opinion but none is entitled to their own version of facts. That's where Clintons cross the line.

Terry, College Station, TX   January 14th, 2008 5:24 pm ET

Bush (1989 – 1994) – Clinton (1994 – 2001) – Bush (2001 – 2009) – (I hope not) Clinton (2009 – 2017)

Come' on ! Give America a break in this failed dynasty. America needs a fresh face and that is certainly not going be to be Hillary. During his presidency, Bill gave Hillary the opportunity to make CHANGE by making her responsible the program "Healthcare for All" and Guess What? she failed completely. I think now she just needs to retire from politics, she had a chance and spoiled it.

Betc   January 14th, 2008 5:24 pm ET

This mud-slinging is the reason I no longer support Hillary. It's business as usual yet again. I am very disappointed in Bill Clinton.

And, since when did we start nominating a team for president? If Hillary can't fight her own fights now, what would happen if she becomes president and has to deal with a true formidable force?

Mary   January 14th, 2008 5:22 pm ET

Oh, go away and get a life. We are all tired of the BS. Every hear the saying that those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?

Anonymous   January 14th, 2008 5:20 pm ET

This can not be the same Bill, I use to love. I was on the fence, but I am so disapointted by Bill and Hilary that I'll volunteer for Obama now.

shane   January 14th, 2008 5:20 pm ET

Lisa

For what you say to be true Obama would have had to write the words that Hill & bill Clinton spoke ! He didnt ! The words were their own Hill and Bill have to own them if they were miss judged explain it dont blame it on Obama!

AFSOCSARGE   January 14th, 2008 5:18 pm ET

"But let's be clear: it's a tactic, and it's coming from the Obama campaign to (a) neutralize criticisms and (b) draw African-American support from the Clintons by painting these people who have fought for civil rights for years as racists. Disgusting.

Oh Obama made the Statement that MLK could not have gotten anything done without LBJ and Made Bill not "Completely Quote him on not Supporting the Iraq War. So It was An Obama's plan to sent Robert Johnson out to talk about Obama Drug use, then have to Lie and say he was referring to his Community Service?

Hillary has become nothing but "Bush In A Skirt"

I'm "Really" for Obama Now !!!!

-AFSOC Sarge

DONNA BUSCH   January 14th, 2008 5:17 pm ET

I really believe that you, the media, are making this racial thing an issue. For onething you have to know that the Clitons are to smart to even make this an issue. Noway would they be that dumb. I really beleive that this is your way of siding with the republican party again. No matter what OIbama or the Clintons really sday you go right back to repeating the "misquotes." I really wanted to hear what the both would say that would help our country, not garbage.

cal   January 14th, 2008 5:17 pm ET

28 years of the Clinton and Bush families with their buddies trolling the corporate ladders and our government policies…. They have all worked at widdling away our rights and jailing more of us. The US has the larger ratio of people jailed to the population int he world! Clintons helped do that by enforcing mandatory minimums that Bush recommended int he first place! Don't think back to the Clinton years as some great golden age, it wasnt all that! Thats BAD for America. Less shame in America and more change. Obama 08!

Anonymous   January 14th, 2008 5:16 pm ET

"Let's see, we are moving to the future with a history and a possible future of: Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton?"

Actually, the last 20 years presidents have been: Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush and now some people want Clinton again. I agree, this is not England and we do not need monarchy here. This is why we need change – NOW!

Not Alone   January 14th, 2008 5:14 pm ET

For those of you who believe Sen. Obama has been given a free ride by the media, I APPLAUD you for noticing. Finally people are opening their eyes and ears. If someone attacks you, are you supposed to stand there and take it. I say defend yourself and that is exactly what Sen. Clinton has done. As she said "This country is worth fighting for". Why is Sen. Obama's drug use off limits? Do you honestly think this issue will be off limits if he wins the nomination. What world are you living in, because it's this one. The republicans will eat him alive. Why are the media not questioning his connnection with Tony Rezko? Being a black candidate does not give you a free pass to avoid answering tough questions. If you are running for the highest office in this country, nothing is off limits and the people have a right to ask questions. I don't care if your a man or woman, black or white. The American people have the right to question everything. It seems that fear of being called a racist is preventing the media from asking these questions.
I honestly thought the race card would not be an issue. (Naive of me I know.) Then Obama has to bring it up by using MLK name. Sen. Obama is NOT and NEVER will be anything close to what MLK was. He fought for Equality for all..he's advocating to "Change" this country. Change it to what? Blacks vs Whites. No thank you, been there once don't want to go there again. He might just get his wish to change this country. He's going to tear it right down the middle.

Find our what Sen. Obama has done in Illinois. From what I've been able to find : ONE thing. Showing up and saying "Present' ."Saying "present" is not change. Saying "present" is not what I'm looking for in a president.

If people don't start to pay attention to the issues instead of race and gender, the media is going to elect our next president. Now won't that be fun!

Anonymous   January 14th, 2008 5:14 pm ET

I'm a registered Democrat. I've said from the day Hillary Clinton entered the race that if she won the Democratic nomnation, I'd vote Republican. My opinion has not changed.

Jose Card - Independent   January 14th, 2008 5:13 pm ET

Is Bill running for president again?

mel   January 14th, 2008 5:10 pm ET

I don't listen to anyone else. As a troll I always hear the vile, malicious and incredibly nuanced attacks within even the most tempered remarks made by those whom I don't support. I am gifted, some might say cursed, by this incredible psychic power that allows me to always know the truth behind statements made by anyone I disagree with. I am so childish that if things don't go my way during the primaries I will stay at home and spend the time that would have been wasted voting on writing more inane posts on forums like this to build up my own colossal ego. When enough of my fellow cretins are convinced to stay at home we will have 4 glorious years writing complaints here and calling into radio talk shows whining about how the Repugs rigged the 2008 elections. Only I know that the way someone speaks, dresses or the type of music they play at campaign events are more important in my decision to support them than any amount of difficult to read position papers. There is so much more I would like to pontificate on. So much more venom I would like to spew but I have been sitting in puddle too long and my diaper rash is killing me. Until I post again.

Anonymous   January 14th, 2008 5:09 pm ET

Obama admitted he tried drugs. What about Clinton, who said he "didn't inhale?" Anybody still buying that bit??

Bill Clinton admitted to using drugs. George Bush also used cocaine, and is a chronic alcoholic. So if these guys did it, why is it all of a sudden such a big if Obama did it? Is it because he's black?

Changeyear   January 14th, 2008 5:09 pm ET

I am so disgusted and it is sad but true, as a democrat, I would vote for a Republican in the general election before I would the Hill/Billy ticket. They are tearing our country apart. It is a disgrace.

Susan   January 14th, 2008 5:08 pm ET

I am not surprised at the Clinton's …..is this list of attacks going to make me feel sorry for Ms. Clinton? Does she need her husband standing up for her…listing all the ways that she was somehow attacked….This is politics and politics is a rough business……
The Clinton's comments were insensitive….and not thought out as to their impact on others…When .running for president …a candidate must be mindful as to what comes out of their mouth….I just couldn't believe that they would make such a blunder just days before the South Carolina Primary…..What were they thinking? OR ..Were they not thinking at all? OR Were they so wrapped up in how shocked they are that Obama just might ruin Hillary's coronation as President…they were letting off a little steam, and in the process offending the African American Community?
Who knows …all I know is that the Clinton Dynasty is not going to get my vote…now or in the future…..

Butch Dillon   January 14th, 2008 5:07 pm ET

For any Clinton supporter who thinks her camp and her husband are being defensive, just check the content, tone and novelty of the dirty charges she's slinging. These are all raw attacks consisting of newly dredged up material. The Clinton's are as divisive a force now as when they were at war with the Republicans in the 90s. This time, they're doing it in their own party. They had me on their side during Slick Willy's presidency but not now. If HRC wins the nomination and faces McCain, I will definitely vote for him, and never regret the choice.

Dr. Wu   January 14th, 2008 5:05 pm ET

You know what will really help Obama, Bill? If you keep every one of those 80 attacks alive in the mediasphere by harping on them. Keep up the good work!

Momentum   January 14th, 2008 5:04 pm ET

John…and everyone else (including Hiliary and BET Founder etc). If Obama was trying to hid a "drug issue" would he had written it in his book. Get real people! Obama campaign has momentum and everyone is now on the attack ….bottomline.

Obama wrote himself that he used drugs at one in his life. So what! He's not using it now and that's what happens. So please…try to come up with something else.

bruce goldberg   January 14th, 2008 5:01 pm ET

as someone who would have never entertained the idea of voting non-democratic party in the next election, the clinton's have started to make me think how much they are simply a left sided bush/rove team and how i DO NOT want them in the WH – now i will think hard about mcCain as long as he softens his ridiculous stance about supporting bush's iraq failure.

convicted felon clinton   January 14th, 2008 5:00 pm ET

He is a felon need I say more.

mussmelon   January 14th, 2008 4:59 pm ET

It's all about press, remember no press is bad press. As long as we keep talking about how ridiculous Billary is, were going to forget the real bright side of this campaign season. Edwards and Obama are in my opinion, two the most down to earth and sincere candidates I've ever seen. Let's all turn the focus to these two great candidates and do everything in our power to create a Obama/Edwards 08 ticket!!!

Experience means nothing, if your exerience involves the same old Washington run around. As long as republicans and some democrats never actually answer a question, they can't be wrong.

M.G   January 14th, 2008 4:58 pm ET

I hope Hillary can keep it together and remain above all of this. They are trying so hard to get her to snap and say something that will destroy her campaign then Obama will sit back , wide-eyed, and say "Who me? I didn't mean it that way".I will never vote for him now .

Screamer   January 14th, 2008 4:58 pm ET

Bill Clinton should not even be an issue in this race, but clearly he is or should I say, he has become “the issue”. This is just an example of how a Hillary Clinton presidency would be: Bill Clinton always in front and center of any and all issues and positions. There is no way around it. Even if Hillary is the elected president, Bill will be the de facto president with all the experience (that incidently Hillary claims as her own), the answers, the attention and will get most of the credit, for better or for worse. This is why a Hillary Clinton presidency would be the country’s second biggest political blunder, the election of George W. Bush being the first.

The Clintons have had their day in the sun. They should step asside to help introduce a new era in politics. Bill Clinton is now a member of the old guard. The proof is in his buddy-buddy relationship with Bush One.

CTony   January 14th, 2008 4:57 pm ET

Bill Clinton lied to his wife, he lied to his friends, and he lied to the American people.

Every time he puts a microphone to his face and opens his mouth, I'm reminded of all his lies. Why should anyone believe anything he says now?

Gwen,Albuquerque,NM   January 14th, 2008 4:56 pm ET

Mark Penn must be rolling in his oversized blummers. This is the uproar that they planned. Obama was flying "under the radar"; Iowans and New Hampshire voters appeared to be voting on issues not on his race. This had to stop!!!

THE GRAND PLAN: Put Bill, Hillary and a few surrogates out there with a few well timed and easily explainable statements with alleged racial undercurrents. This causes a backlash!!! Great it's working. Now we have every Tom, Dick and Hannity talking about racial division rather than the issues. You have Bill Clinton on every Black Radio Show in America trying to charm and fool the masses..Still talking about racial division. Hillary's camp is blaming it all on Barack Obama who I have not heard from. GOOD—Now everyone can get back to judging Barack on the color of his skin rather than the content of his character.

Bill can go back to being the "first black president" and as for Hillary, nobody will ever notice or say out loud that she got her definition of 35 years of " experience " the old fashion way…She slept with it.

The Clintons have lost their luster with me. He is also losing his Legacy. I am beginning to remember Nafta, Cafta, the explosion of the private prison system along with record numbers of Black men in jail, the joke of the Welfare to Wal-Mart….uh Work Program and their standing with the same old poverty pimps by their sides. No room for new ideas or people.

The fact is The Bill & Hill Show owes more to the Black community than The Black community owes to them. They got over 95% of our vote, a vote that has propelled him into all of his elective offices. We got a few keep you in your place "programs" and little HOPE for a future that all Americans should be able to acheive. Now I want these two patronizing, paternalistic, Jim Crow mongers to take their show and go the route of Sonny and Cher…enough already! We need new leadership and new ideas.

Now, let's get back to the business of taking our Country back.

Joe   January 14th, 2008 4:55 pm ET

It is really high time for a woman in the White House, unfortunately for Hillary, she has to run against Obama and, as an African American, for him it would be also high time to get a shot at the presidency. So far, Hillary must be simply given the edge because of her experience. Obama, well yes, he excites and seems to generate a lot of enthusiasm among the younger generation but, I still have to hear from him one single exactly defined plan for our withdrawal from Iraq, a better healthcare system or a good solution for the immigration problem and…… importantly how to pay for it all.
Obama is a nice guy but a little too short of substance for the most important job our country has to offer.

Joan   January 14th, 2008 4:52 pm ET

I'm getting really tired of Bill and I used to like the man.

Ray   January 14th, 2008 4:52 pm ET

Others have asked, and I'm still waiting:

What has Obama said that could be interpreted as a "smear" attack? When has he allowed himself to sink into mudslinging? Please, offer some quotes? Bill, please, the list?

Obama disagrees with, and has attacked Hillary's position on issues, including her voting record. Is that what we now consider mudslinging? If that's all that Bill has on his list, that will be boring.

For those of you who want to know more about how the candidates stand on the issues, check out their websites. This is where you can get the meat and potatoes – not from stump speeches.

Side note: The Bob Johnson comment – wow, how could the Clintons not publicly distance themselves from that statement? We know what Johnson said, and we know what he meant. That was shameful, and the follow-on lies made it five times worse. You would have to "inhale" a lot to believe his weak explanation of what he really "meant". Still, I haven't heard Obama react in kind.

Please, someone, quotes? Tell me how Obama has done anything but stay completely professional in this whole ordeal.

Anjir   January 14th, 2008 4:51 pm ET

An interesting but sad role for Bill – "attack dog".

Richie T   January 14th, 2008 4:50 pm ET

It disgusts me! Just when I thought we were about to bridge the race attack, who plays the issue, the dirt, the same old political EXPERIENCE game- H. R. CLINTON.

I have always voted Democratic.

I will never vote for HR Clinton.
NEVER!!!!!

Lisa   January 14th, 2008 4:50 pm ET

Hmmm. Let's see….Who does it benefit to bring race into this campaign. The Clintons, who are being portrayed now as racists? Or Obama, who is drawing increased support from pissed off black folks who now believe that Clintons are racists? And people believe this because Obama's campaign asserts this every time Hillary or Bill says ANYTHING critical of Obama.

If Obama supporters really do believe in the "politics of hope," I gotta bridge to sell. It looks like Obama is about as effective a "uniter" as George W. Bush.

What a huge disappointment. For months I've argued that Obama is NOT an "empty suit." I can't do that now. Hillary may be flawed, but she's not selling herself as phony, holier-than-thou, above-politics-as-usual person while engaging in down-and-dirty politics as usual.

Obama just proved he's a hypocrite. If the Democrats nominate him, we'll surely have a Republican president. He won't survive a general election, not after he alienates the Independents by claiming racism is behind every criticism. It's as dangerous a tactic as Hillary's playing the gender card too often.

But let's be clear: it's a tactic, and it's coming from the Obama campaign to (a) neutralize criticisms and (b) draw African-American support from the Clintons by painting these people who have fought for civil rights for years as racists. Disgusting.

Juliana Smith   January 14th, 2008 4:49 pm ET

Obama is running for the President of the US. He should expect any dirt or achievement or success on him to be opened book. No skeleton. Bill Clinton or anyone else can point it out. That's call democracy. Look at what the comments made by Obama supporters. How they still digging dirt on the former president. He is not even running. Yet people, still like to talk about what he did.
Bill can defend Hillary, just like, Michelle Obama can defend Barack Obama.

Enough Already!   January 14th, 2008 4:49 pm ET

Are you listening Clintons? Do you see what you are doing? You are turning people off big time! I would say that 95% of the comments here are pretty negative toward both the you. Are you listening Hill & Bill? People want you to stop this nonsense. Your old politics of hate and lies will not work against hope. Just a few short weeks ago these comments were very different. You had support and people loved you Hillary. Are you listening? You need to send Bill home now and stop this type of campaigning.
There is still time to save this and our party but you had better move fast or you will be saying Mr. President to McCain or Obama.

Jr., California   January 14th, 2008 4:49 pm ET

Hillary stated that she has 35 years of experience. I would like Wolf Blitzer to confront her on this.

Yolanda, SC   January 14th, 2008 4:49 pm ET

What is so wrong with the Clinton Camp pointing out the facts about Barack Hussein Obama and the the giant media outlet attacks on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Why is it ok for Obama to insult and insinuate that the Clintons are Racists. You think that they should just keep Quiet and let the media and the Obama camp distroy their life long work and commitment to African American community and civil right?
Every intelligent person in the African American community knows that Clintons have fought for civil rights in this country in their entire public service life.
How soon do we forget that president Clinton was called the "1st Black president of America" from the leaders in the African American Community.
SHAME ON BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

Kara   January 14th, 2008 4:48 pm ET

I think he has truly lost his mind. Obama never "complained" about the attacks in the first place. HE was the one who took the high road, not Billary. It's almost as if they think if they repeat the lies enough, people will be brainwashed and somehow start believing them. Not the case this time around. People who pay attention to the news know Obama is staying away from this nonsense and talking about what really matters.

Dave   January 14th, 2008 4:47 pm ET

What's Bill going to do next? Promise to go "Waco" on Obama?

Craig, Seattle, WA   January 14th, 2008 4:47 pm ET

GO HILLARY! Barack can talk all he wants, but the facts speak for themselves. At least Hillary can walk the walk.

Erik William   January 14th, 2008 4:46 pm ET

Ugh. Enough of the Clintons. I can't even tell which one is running at this point.

JB   January 14th, 2008 4:42 pm ET

Is it me, or are both major parties coming unglued?

dpotemkin   January 14th, 2008 4:42 pm ET

CNN publishes this garbage but doesn't give any time to the one candidate who

a. isn't claiming to be a great leader, like Clinton
b. isn't preaching about hope for the future, like Obama

but
c. is struggling to be heard on issues that are directly and injuriously affecting the American people.

John Edwards.

I hope that by some miracle John Edwards rises above all of this nonsense and wins the Democratic nomination. Only then will I have any faith that the Democratic Party is once again on the right track to representing the best interests of the mass of American citizens.

Wil Burns   January 14th, 2008 4:35 pm ET

Obama and Edwards have been attacking Hillary Clinton for months now. Finally he gets a little return fire and it's just OUTLANDISH I tell ya!!! Now let's see how HE handles being under attack for a while. Not very well it seems. If anyones' sinking it's Obama. You all started celebrating just a little too soon dintcha?

AJ   January 14th, 2008 4:35 pm ET

If Barack was worried about people bringing up his drug use why would he have willingly admitted it in his book and on different TV programs?

Eamon George Nelson   January 14th, 2008 4:34 pm ET

Once regarded highly as the leader of his Party, Bill Clinton has become a danger to Democrats. In one sense he may be forgiven…he HAS to go on the attack here by claiming his wife is being attacked. There is nothing else he can do. If he were, instead, to give a speech with one half of the positive emotion that was in the Kerry endorsement people would only laugh at him. Bill is the main reason why Republicans want Hillary as Dem nominee. 2000 replay.

Farrell, Houston, Tx   January 14th, 2008 4:33 pm ET

Bill Clinton is acting like Bush, no different. When things get tough on Bush he would send in his "attack dog, Cheney". Bill Clinton is Hillary's "attack dog" and if democrats think for one reason that Bill Clinton can help the democrat party or Hillary, wrong. The Clintons' are destroying the democrat party for their own personal gain, don't help them.

Eagleheart, Kentucky   January 14th, 2008 4:31 pm ET

HOW IN THE WORLD DOES HILLARY ATTACK OBAMA, AND THEN OBAMA GETS BLAMED FOR MUDSLINGING and comparing himself to MLK and JFK, neither of which he has done.????

Once again, the powers that be operate by smoke and mirrors – raising peoples suspicions by making statements they think the masses are not smart enough to see as false, presenting false choices ("i just don't want our country to go backward" HRC – like electing anyone but her will make it go backward).

We've plenty of this before – tell people that Sadam was responsible for 911 – and low and behold a good percentage of Americans believe that Sadam was responsible for 911. Unfortunately, some candidates appear to be operating by the same rovian play book.

If you are a democrat, you can't honestly believe Obama is doing anything to perpetuate this media election horse-race issue. If you see the party splitting, then its the fissures caused by growing pains. Clinton has been the origin for all the mudslinging in this race. If anything, Obama has simply responded to it in a measured and principled manner – the way in which I true president should.

turn the page.

Brooke, Philadelphia, PA   January 14th, 2008 4:30 pm ET

You know what, I don't even care what this was all about anymore. I have been a Clinton-ite for 16 years. My hero, Bill Clinton disappionted me once and now has disappointed me again. I had issues with Hillary for years and this year I finally got over them to support HER. And it makes me sick to see him going to ruin it. You know things are bad when even the Clinton supporters are annoyed and wanting him to just be quiet.

Bill, please, you're about to turn me against from voting for your wife. Just please, from the bottom of my heart that's admired you since I was 13 years old, please, stop talking and let your wife run her campaign.

All of this makes me very sad.

No Hillary 08!   January 14th, 2008 4:28 pm ET

Kind of sounds like good ol' Joe McCarthy's list of purported communists back in the 50's!

Robert   January 14th, 2008 4:28 pm ET

Hillary, as she says, has found her voice — two of them. Shame that one of them is male: Bill on the attack, disregarding everything in pursuit of his goal, just as he executed poor, ill (black) Ricky Ray Rector back in 1992 when he was chasing the presidency. Shame that the other is Hillary's stretching and twisting words, making what are at most sub-texts into headlines. But, then again, while Obama can credibly make hope a headline and use MLK and JFK to say there is "nothing false about hope," Hillary can't. All she offers America is her resume and an endless washing list, as if America cannot be one United States but is just a collection of groups with votes. Democrats who want to vote Hillary: Bloomberg has a $1 billion he's willing to spend campaigning, which he will most probably only do if Hillary wins — and you can bet a lot of people will opt for him rather than the same old couple who came from Hope and now hope only for themselves. From an independent foreigner.

Tom Davie   January 14th, 2008 4:25 pm ET

why does CNN refuse to put my comments up here? i am for hillary, but want people to know Obama is my choice if he wins the nomination.

I still cant believe people would vote for McCain if Obama doesnt win the nomination. McCain has nothing in common with Obama.

At least have the courage to explain why i cannot post here. It isnt reasonable.

I see some very radical views , and they are allowed to be put up. Why not mine which arent 'radical' in the slightest?

Wil Burns   January 14th, 2008 4:25 pm ET

Obama is NOTHING more than a motivation speaker. I was thinking that myself a couple days ago, that he is basically just a motivational speaker. I was looking at a speech he had made. He didn't say anything, but he sure was eloquent about it.

His charisma will take him only so far, he needs to come up with some coherent policy positions.

Izzy   January 14th, 2008 4:25 pm ET

What is really wrong with the Clintons Are they mad? Why is Bill acting so irresponsibly?

Are these people mad for God's sake? They need to be voted into the dust-bin of history.

Dianne   January 14th, 2008 4:24 pm ET

I loved the Clintons in the 1990's, and defended them against all of the slings and arrows that came their way. But now they are becoming caricatures of themselves. Funny how Bill doesn't cite any examples from his "list".

These people need to step back. They're messing up Bill's legacy and making Hillary look like a fool in the process. I am done with them.

Jude   January 14th, 2008 4:22 pm ET

It's not so long ago that Nobel laureate Toni Morrison called Bill Clinton, "the first black president." Not so long ago, that I, as a well-educated, successful African-American, and many of my friends and relatives agreed wholeheartedly with that statement. The Hillary Clinton campaign, in less than a few weeks, has managed to not only cloud Bill Clinton's presidency but completely erase his historic relationship with black voters like me. Many of us were on the fence about this contest to remake history–we were as vested in Hillary as we were in Obama–whoever the winner, we were in the midst of moving beyond the metaphors into the reality of breaking the gender or race lines and transforming the White House into an equal opportunity house. In the less than ten days since Iowa, I am no longer on the fence. Neither are my friends. Neither are my relatives. We have seen the Swift Boats coming and we all know they are here to stay throughout the remainder of the campaign. From insinuations about Obama's cocaine use — not once, not twice, but three times by Clinton supporters (the latest from a billionaire black man who's support of Hillary has as much to do with swinging my vote as Chuck Norris' support of Mike Huckabee), from the misrepresentation of Obama's Iraq stance (thank god for the "Internets" where I can unearth that myself), to the Clinton flyer sent out in New Hampshire right before the primary suggesting that Obama doesn't support a woman's right to choose (an outright lie according to Planned Parenthood and NARAL), I have learned in the past weeks that Bill and Hillary are willing to sacrifice everything and everyone in order to regain their old bedroom in the White House. The hell with Bill's "connection" with African American voters. Somehow they must believe that we cannot translate their "code" or that we are blinded by our so-called love for them. I for one and many more are here to tell Bill and Hillary that our love isn't blind, that we are code-breakers and we have seen their boats docking at the pier of mudslinging. Good luck to them both. And to the black folks they've bought to bring up the rear.

This campaign has also made me think about how it wasn't Bill who named the first Black Secretary of State, or the first Latino Attorney General or the first Black to head hte Joint Chiefs of Staff. All those apppointments reside firmly in the Republican camp–two of them by G.W himself.

I've also made the decision that should Obama lose to Clinton I will for the first time ever in my life support a Republican for the presidency.

"For whom the bell tolls," Bill and Hillary. For this African American, "it tolls for thee"

ClintonsTalkLikeRove   January 14th, 2008 4:21 pm ET

The Clintons sound like Karl Rove. Let's divide the electorate with negative attacks. If we elect her then nothing changes. Not policy. Not the disgusting nature of our politics. I had forgotten why I despised Bill and Hillary at the end of their last term. They triangulate their way on policy and lie their way out of the rest. If the dems nominate Hillary they deserve to lose and they will lose because she is the queen of the status quo.

mel   January 14th, 2008 4:18 pm ET

I gave money to Clinton when she ran for the senate. I planned to vote for her if she got the nomination. After the attacks on Obama and "ill-advised" comment about Dr. King, come-hell-or-high-water I will not Vote for Clinton. But for the "women's right to choose" issue, I would have voted for McCain instead. If Clinton gets nominated, I will stay home. There are many others like me!

Ron   January 14th, 2008 4:18 pm ET

Hillary is obviously in much more trouble than the polls are showing. God I hope so!

Fran   January 14th, 2008 4:17 pm ET

This type of political nonsense is just what this country is so tired of. Do you really want the Clintons back in the White House to continue with four more years of gridlock? Do you really think that if Hillary Clinton gets elected as President anything will get done? She is so polorizing that the majority of the republicans are not going to work with her and after the phone call I received from one of her campaign workers hung up on me because I told them that I had not decided who I was going to vote for in the SC primaries helped me make the decision not to vote for her.

Confused   January 14th, 2008 4:16 pm ET

This whole debacle all starts from Hilary's original misunderstanding/contortion that Obama compared himself to JFK or MLK during a speech. This is patently false. Watch his speech. Obama was just making a observation that MLK's and JFK's hope and high goals *started* change by motivating the public, and his sharing of that philosophy is how he is different from Clinton's arguably defeatist philosophy. Yes, Obama may be *channeling* MLK and JFK ideals, I can think of worse people, but he himself admitted he wasn't saying he WAS those people.

I respect Hilary, I really do. I also understand what she meant. The Clintons surely aren't racist. Unfortunately, the main reason I cannot vote for Hilary, as President, is because she continually, and predictably, exercises poor judgment. Her incredible paranoia of the Republicans actually makes her very vulnerable to making "ill-advised" actions. Now she is forcing Bill to be thrown under her bus to support her-this is fair considering his indiscretion with a certain intern.

Furthermore, Obama's record is out there-it isn't "off-limits". The simple fact is that he has voted pretty much in line with fellow Senator Clinton since 2004. If you think he lacks relevant experience, of which I think he has substantial, don't vote for him. If you think he is a wimp, which I don't, then don't vote him. If you only want to vote for a woman, which I disagree with, then do so. People have different ideas of what they want their president to be like. We aren't rooting for NFL teams here. We are not electing the CEO of a corporation. My philosophy is that the President is going to be the Face of Our Country, first and foremost. I believe that a president has to have the personality that can inspire the public and surround himself/herself with inspired and talented people. Regardless of what people think of him, Obama has indeed raised people, especially young people, out of their political apathy. I share Obama's values and beliefs and I appreciate his honesty. That is why I am voting for him here in California.

kenba   January 14th, 2008 4:13 pm ET

Bill and Hillary have been reading and quoting from the wrong history books. Obviously She's been reading that ancient roman politician Erroneous. Because She's been off the mark ever since she left New Hampshire.

George   January 14th, 2008 4:12 pm ET

OK, so who has done more for racial equality in their life: Obama or Clinton? This isn't a ballgame with a score; it's an election. I'm undecided in the race but disappointed Obama would purposely take Clinton's comments as an affront and make such an issue of them. It's pure mud politics– of the type Obama says he's above. Not surprising that Edwards would then pile on. Give us all a break from this petty crap.

Dan, NJ   January 14th, 2008 4:11 pm ET

Dave,

HRC shares a significant number of GWB's worst traits: inability to accept responsibility for actions (never admitted Iraq vote was wrong), persistence with dirty politics (Shaheen's comments, introduction in NH by a supporter who referenced assasination and Obama in same sentence, BET head's statements in SC), and polarization of the electorate/divsion of the country.

I want a President that does not have those qualities. Therefore, I could not, in good conscience ever vote for HRC. If she wins the nomination, I will vote for McCain or hope for a Bloomburg type candidate to run.

HRC can't lead because half the country will not follow.

Don   January 14th, 2008 4:11 pm ET

As a life-time registered republican who thought after GW I would never be voting republican again, I am certainly having misgivings. Prior to any of the primaries I was supporting Biden and said I could vote for any of the democratic candidates other than Obama. Still can vote for Edwards or Clinton. See both of them as a big plus for the country and think they have been in the trenches proving they are for the middle class. Have not seen the substantive facts on Obama having put much of his political effort into that cause. From the international perspective II think McCain and Clinton are the only two still in the race who actually deal with reality.

So if the democrats do not have Edwards or Clinton heading their ticket in the general election I imagine I will be going for McCain who I do not think would be as good for the country on the domestic scene.

Unlike all those on the blogs who think Obama is being treated unfairly by the Clinton campaign got news for you, I think Obama hasn't scene anything until the republican MSM turns its support to the republican candidate after the primaries which I am sure it is going to do. I do believe this whole thing about race started from an article written about an Obama activist who got a copy of a memo from the Obama campaign saying the issue of Clinton's campaign or its surrogates using things like "chuk and jive" and her poorly issued statement about MLK's civil rights drive becoming law under LBJ as issues to be used showing the Clintons racism. Frankly I believe both the Clintons have done far, far more advancing civil rights and equality in this country than Obama has.

Just the opinions of a disgruntled but very possibly still a republican as far the presidential election is concerned. I definitely will not vote for Obama until he can show me where he has fought in the trenches (figuratively) for this country. Endorsements such as "Back Stabber" Kerry (who I supported and voted in 2004), Oprah, and the support of Daschle (a lobbyist) as an adviser against lobbying do not carry any weight with me. I look at the candidates and decide who I think has the best policies for the country at home and abroad and who I think can stand up for this country the best at home and abroad.

Jason, CA   January 14th, 2008 4:09 pm ET

I think Obama camp was taken back by Johnson comments. That's why they are not trying to hit back at him. They noticed the true anger of African Americans who are passionate about Clintons.May be Obama camp realized that their cheap shots are coming back to haunt them.
Obama can fabricate future with false hope, but he can't erase history that has already been written with what Clintons have done for blacks.

nancy rhoades   January 14th, 2008 4:06 pm ET

I really was happy with the idea that I had two possible candidates — Clinton and Obama — that might win the nomination and I — as a 57-year-old woman — would be happy to vote for either. Obama is my first choice, but Hillary was a close second.

But I am already suffering from Clinton fatigue — this time brought on by the Clintons themselves — and I cannot see myself voting for Hillary for president if she is the ultimate Democratic candidate for president. As a dedicated Democrat, I am flummoxed; I am deeply saddened; and I am angry, too.

Let's not tear down ourselves. Isn't that the job of the Republicans? I know it's a contest and differences need to be delineated. But, please, I lived through the Bill Clinton presidency. I always supported him, even if I disagreed with his personal choices. But I do not want to relive that feeling with Hillary. If she wins the nomination based on her attributes, that is one thing. But if she wins the nomination by tearing down — or having her surrogates tear down — Barack Obama, I am through with the Clintons. For the first time in more than thirty years, I can imagine not voting at all.

Benny Lava   January 14th, 2008 4:05 pm ET

This list thing sounds like McCarthyism. Except McCarthy had more credibility.

All those people who are so nostalgic for the nineties are now getting a wake up call. Yup, this is what it was really like, folks.

AFSOCSARGE   January 14th, 2008 4:05 pm ET

"not because he is black but because he has no experience"

So Hillary's 4 more years in the Senate is worth how much more ? I've spent 25 years in the USAF so does that make my Wife or Mother "Experienced" in USAF Operations? I will totally say not, just because she was married to a Politician that does not make her one Period ! She only has been an "Elected" Official since the year 2000, Obama since 2004. So give that 'Experience' a rest because it is not valid.

Oh and if you have not read both Obama and Clinton both beat "Any" GOP candidate by double digits, so that would "Trump" Electable especially when Obama won In the "Whitest" State South of the North Pole !! He Won Iowa with a 95% White Population.

I'm "Really" for Obama Now !!!!

-AFSOC Sarge

Cari   January 14th, 2008 4:05 pm ET

I'm starting to understand why the republicans hated the Clintons.

Listen to this Bill: "I will not vote for that woman…"

Michi   January 14th, 2008 4:03 pm ET

Oh those Clintons are masters at dirty politics. Now they have succeeded in roiling blacks voters to fight amongst themselves. Nice legacy there. After this fight is done and if Hillary wins the nomination this registered Democrat is voting Republican. Hillary is already a polarizing figure and if she becomes President will be just as polarizing as her husband was and Bush is. We don't need more of the same.

Tracy   January 14th, 2008 4:03 pm ET

You people are ridiculous.
Obama wasn't a US Senator at the time of the vote, but just because he says he was against the war, you believe it.
Obama voted to fund the War….so much for "his promises".

Jeez…shallow people for a shallow candidate.

Jay Graham, Dallas, TX   January 14th, 2008 4:02 pm ET

Here is the story appeared in Newsmax:

"Did Obama Camp Use Rap to Call Hillary B-tch?

Monday, January 14, 2008 11:09 AM

Was it happenstance – or a deliberate attempt by a Barack Obama staffer to take a swipe at rival Hillary Clinton?

As Obama and his wife Michelle walked triumphantly into his victory party following his surprising win over Hillary in the Iowa caucuses, the sound system blared rapper Jay-Z’s song “99 Problems,” the Huffington Post reported.

The song contains the lyrics: “I got 99 problems, but a b-tch ain’t one.”

Why is Obama campaign and the major news media are quiet about this? They are are certainly biased and want to publish anything negative about Hillary. But, ignore what garbage that comes out of Obama Camp.

sgt. lebow   January 14th, 2008 4:02 pm ET

Let me see if I get this straight. Attacking Obama is off limits. Pointing out that Obama has attacked Hillary is off limits. Mentioning Obama unless it's to praise his oratory skills or otherwise fawn over him is strickly prohibited. Do Obama's many supporters want to win an election or create a new deity? They have a better chance of achieving the latter.

The Truth   January 14th, 2008 4:01 pm ET

You the sad part about all of this is that SO many people will believe this stuff that Bill and Hilary is putting out.

Mannie   January 14th, 2008 4:01 pm ET

Is this guy a former president or an attack pitt-bull? He is shameless. Can someone imagine Jimmy Carter or Bush Sr doing this? This family will stop at nothing to have power. What next Chelsea? Someone please give me four more years of George W Bush than this non-sense of Billary.

suzanne   January 14th, 2008 4:00 pm ET

I am a feminist ,and activist, about Hillary's age and put in long struggles "on the ground' while Hillary got to go to Wellsley and Yale. Apparently I learned what she did NOT…which is …strong independent women do NOT need a man to speak for them, or come in to "rescue" them when the going gets tough. That is not what we fought for, nor is that equality or feminism. I also learned
that subtle forms of racism, such as we are clearly seeing in this campaign, have no place in the behavior of feminists committed to equal opportunity for all. I don't understand all the anti-Obama rants in this blog…he has NOT been answering back to all the real or perceived racist comments of the past days and in fact, made one very generous and presidential statement about it yesterday. As to his economic package, the economist, Robert Reich, who was in the Clinton cabinet has gone on record as saying that it is the best package out there, of all the candidates. I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and deal with facts, not blog or Fox news nonsense. And, the media, needs to start dealing with facts, not misguided opinions. We saw how inaccurate their poll coverage was. And, lastly, let us not forget, that Bill Clinton has always had difficulty with the truth ( "I never had…… with that woman" "it depends what is, is" etc. ) so his weak questionnable comments about his friend (and travelling buddy )from yesterday, Mr. Johnson, are of grave concern as to his credibility and what he is contributing to destroying the democratic party chances of election. I had hoped to see the first woman president of the country, in my lifetime. Someone strong and committed like Ms.Thatcher, or Golda Meir. They stood strongly and courageously on their own merits…unlike Senator Clinton. I am encouraging all my feminist middle aged friends to not support her, and I certainly can not, after this past week.

GOPer4Obama   January 14th, 2008 4:00 pm ET

As scores of people have already noted above, this all smells of the same old politics. The Clintons have got to go…

michael   January 14th, 2008 4:00 pm ET

Bill, your ambition is showing.

Elore   January 14th, 2008 4:00 pm ET

It seems clear to me that Obama is using the race card to advance his campaign at any cost. This tactic is shameful and hurtful for a nation that still has very serious issues concerning race.

Can anyone explain the nature of the change that Obama is proposing . It seems to me that there is no substance there at all.

Chapurukha Kusimba   January 14th, 2008 3:58 pm ET

Who is running for President. Hillary or Bill. That is what we need to know.

Sean, Detroit, MI   January 14th, 2008 3:58 pm ET

GeorgiaMom – you are 100% correct. If only everyone would be as perceptive and look at what is ACTUALLY going on here

meg   January 14th, 2008 3:58 pm ET

"I want to campaign the same way I govern, which is to respond directly and forcefully with the truth"
Barack Obama, 11/08/07

FACTCHECK: Obama and Clinton Have Clearly Different Records on Iraq Since He Has Been In the Senate ( Link )
FACTCHECK: Clinton Blames Obama Campaign for her Remarks, but Her Critics Have Been Her Backers and Independent Observers ( Link )
FACT CHECK: Outside Observers: Clinton Truncating Of Obama's Quotes on The Iraq War Are Misleading ( Link )
FACT CHECK on Clinton's False Attacks on Obama's Ethics Reform ( Link )
FACT CHECK: Obama's Consistent Opposition To The War In Iraq ( Link )
FACT CHECK: Obama's Strong Pro-Choice Record ( Link )
FACT CHECK: Obama's Strong Record on the Energy Bill ( Link )

Print it! Learn it by heart! And combat smear!
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Join Barack's Truth Squad!

Mary, Las Vegas   January 14th, 2008 3:58 pm ET

The supporters of Obama should be humilated by the strong arm tactics the Culinary Union in Las Vegas have taken with their own members to make sure they Do Not support Hillary Clinton.
It's the Obama camapign that has sunk to new un heard of low.

Clinton Daycare   January 14th, 2008 3:56 pm ET

Maybe Bill needs some cheese to go along with that whine.
America needs leadership not cry babies so please do us all a favor Bill and go crawl back to where ever it is you go because this is getting ridiculous.

Gene   January 14th, 2008 3:55 pm ET

I think the Democrats are doomed. There is so much bias for one candidate or the other in the comments above. It is fine to take your side and spout your position. But neither side is better than the other in this arugement. The negative comments by the Clinton Campaign are easy to find. Obama's are a little tougher but they are there (listen to some of Jesse Jackson, Jr.'s comments about Katrina). The supporters of both camps are going to make this a difficult battle to repair if it does not stop. The candidates will eventually kiss and make up…will their supporters?

Unfortunately this is typical politics. It is ugly. I guess it proves that talking about change really is naive. The candidates are not really ready to change. And those who follow politics closely don't seem all that ready either…like the media, pundints and the political advocates. Of course, what do you expect…politics has become an adverserial business (do you really expect or want the Democratic winner to to play ball with the conservative right wing).

Regardless, at this rate we will have a Rebuplican in the White House. 100 more years of Iraq. Another war likely in Iran. Roe v. Wade overturned. Tax cuts for the upper class…labeled as a stimulus package. What other right wing agenda item do you want passed?

Yep, keep it up folks and you can hand this race right to the Republicans. John McCain will talk like he is in the center. But listen to him in the debates. He is a conservative when it comes to policy. And he will likely be beholden to the folks on the right. If this bickering leads folks to McCain we will get at least four more years of the last seven we just had.

Karl   January 14th, 2008 3:54 pm ET

It's funny to read all of these comments slamming Hillary Clinton, talk of mud slinging and a vile campaign… gimme a break. What has she said that is so demeaning? And who can say that her emotional episode was not real? Crying? I never saw a tear, a flutter in her voice was all.
We all know Obama has been elevated by the press, he is portrayed as something that he is not. In fact, he is a dreamer and an idealist. His agenda seems unclear and I have never heard him speak of any means to actually accomplish his goals. His lack of experience would make it very difficult to accomplish anything in a single term. We all like the man, his character and charism are self evident, but at this time in his life, he is not qualified to be POTUS.
The media is reponsible for any Obama/Clinton conflict. The media is driving a wedge into the Democratic Party. The final result will be not just 4 years of McCain, but 8 years. The Democratic Party needs to hold itself together to prevent this. If we divide over these petty issues, we will send this country into an 8 year spiral of no return. After that time it won't matter who you vote for, the die will have been cast.

Andrew Greensboro, NC   January 14th, 2008 3:53 pm ET

Can't we just see an honest race between the candidates? Keep the spouses out and the mud slinging at home. Geez. I'm going to stop paying attention to all of this back and forth. We'll see who the country wants eventually.

Victoria   January 14th, 2008 3:52 pm ET

Let get off the race and gender cards and back to real issues. Hillary put out her plan for the economy three or four days ago and Obama put his out yesterday. Obama talks about change, change, change. People have asked how is going to get results? Well now we see how He takes Hillary plan and changes the numbers.

Anonymous   January 14th, 2008 3:52 pm ET

OBAMA '08! He's positive, optimistic, and respectful. He's exactly what we need so we can change our destructive politics TODAY!

Tim, Seattle   January 14th, 2008 3:52 pm ET

I like Bill, but now this is just getting nasty and I am losing any shred of respect I had for Bill or Hillary. They are just the status quo now. NOw they are hurting the Dem party and I am really questionuinmg whose campaign this really is.
I am now officially for Obama. Hillary has just lost my vote.

If Obama does not win the nomination, I may be forced to not vote this time around. Sorry, I dont want to lose 50/49% again.
Its really gonna suck big time to be all giddy about Hillary getting the nomination only to get beat in the general election. So enjoy your Hillary nomineee, thats as close to the White House she is going to get.
I know, the truth hurts, eh?

Josh   January 14th, 2008 3:51 pm ET

Great. Apparently, Democrats don't want to win the White House again.

I think I'll stay registered as an independent, thank you.

However, I will still vote for Senator Obama.

darrell   January 14th, 2008 3:51 pm ET

Rita Wakefield

______________________________________________________________

It was the Clintons Own choice of Words. Obama did not respond, Congress Clyburn was one of the first to respond.

They need to move on

On experience, Bills Clinton said in 1992, "the same old experience is irelevant"

Obama 08

Rita do not give up hope. Race is a mere distration, from the real issue of

Hillary Voting twice for War With Iraq and now Iran, That the Why we need answered. No diplomacy – Same Bush policy, just different individual.

no lessons learned in her legacy of experience

Again Obama 08

Jamie   January 14th, 2008 3:51 pm ET

Did anyone ever think that these attacks on Hillary are sexist? We are so oppressed we don't even stand up for her when two men attack her at once during a debate. We deserve what we get. I don't know if anyone else noticed, but when Hillary started fighting back she won New Hampshire.

DrToketee   January 14th, 2008 3:50 pm ET

I really don't have to work to make an argument anymore. It's now all out there for everyone to gasp at and see. Anyone who cannot understand by now what a Hillary Presidency would be like in terms of character and honesty is a total idiot. And I do wonder how many of those female NH Hillary-voters now feel like idiots, too.

Gary   January 14th, 2008 3:49 pm ET

I hope that the people in New York, is see the person that they have elected into office, it's such a sad shame that Hillary wants to be in the whire house so bad,
I'm so glad that i have move from new york and it's mess. I bet the black folks with that they can take there vote back (to late for that now). she is such a mess, I hope the whole country is atking a real good look at her.

sue   January 14th, 2008 3:49 pm ET

enough! I was torn between Hillary and Obama, no more….the Clintons are doing themselves in. Exactly the reason we need a change of direction

findingavoice   January 14th, 2008 3:47 pm ET

Some of us are getting a little weary of the lectures being delivered by Bill Clinton. I know I am and I voted for him twice.
Give it a rest, Mr. President, please.

Shirley   January 14th, 2008 3:47 pm ET

Bill Clinton has done more tor this country than any other president since Roosevelt. He made this country come alive and economically secure. Why should not his wife do the same. She is as competent as he. They make a good team and are devoted to this country. Why are Americans so ungrateful that they want a novice to be president?

What Bill did in his private life was no one's business but the repulicans wanted to impeach him for making a private error. But Bush has caused thousands of US soldiers and Iraquis (soldiers and civilians) deaths and no one has enough guts to impeach him for war crimes. Where is our Congress? Are you so afraid of the president? If you do not step up to your obligations to the people you represent you will not make the next election. Some Americans are on to you.

RealityKing   January 14th, 2008 3:47 pm ET

Funny how the so-called tolerant are the very ones expressing the most bigoty…

AC   January 14th, 2008 3:47 pm ET

There are people voting in this election who have had a Clinton or Bush in the White House THEIR ENTIRE LIVES!. That a run that would make Castro jealous.
Enough with the dynasties already!
It's time for a different name on the White House mailbox.

Elyse   January 14th, 2008 3:46 pm ET

Please stop this "eating our own" crap. This is insulting and foolish.

joze46   January 14th, 2008 3:46 pm ET

Barrack Obama’s book called “Audacity of Hope” in the third chapter titled the "The Constitution' is revealing. Of course it has the standard text book commentaries on the wonders of Democracy, the elements of the Constitution, and it’s founders, are tied up here, too loose and not as positive or siding with an open mind. Many of his characterization of the theme in organized constructive government is depressing, negative and leaves out the high value of sharing our founding fathers had is considered hypocrisy, and likely tied to what even he commits to imply, America is not ready for a black president.

Obama, highlights the genius of the Constitution, and specifically the thirtieth, fourteenth, and fiftieth amendments passed as a Union finally perfected. A very amazing statement that does not support harmony and unity Obama makes claim in his “Audacity of Hope” in the beginning Prologue.

In the third chapter page 97 last paragraph he starts with inspiration and ends with doubt, he says,

“How can I, an American with the blood of Africa coursing through my veins, choose sides in such a dispute? I can’t, I love America too much, am too invested in what this country has become, too committed to its institutions, its beauty, and even its ugliness, to focus entirely on the circumstances of its birth. But neither can I brush aside the magnitude of the injustice done, or erase the ghosts of generations past, or ignore the open wound, the aching spirit, that ails this country still”.

Very well said to cast away the founding circumstance of freedom and liberty from tyranny, casting away the birth of Americas Constitution? An incredible thing to say all while giving love and praise for beauty and ugliness. The biggest uncertainty is the very last statement suggested by Obama. But what are the Ghosts of past generations, or the open wounds, what is that acing spirit that ails the country. And, please, Senator Obama, if you don’t know what they are how do you expect to unite and change the country or the world ?

For in the beginning of Obama’s Prologue He said: “ That’s the topic of this book: how we might begin the process of changing our politics and our civic life. This isn’t to say that I know exactly how to do it. I don’t. Although I discuss in each chapter a number of our most pressing policy challenges, and suggest in broad strokes the path I believe we should follow, my treatment of the issues is often partial and incomplete. I offer no unifying theory of American government, nor do these pages provide a manifesto for action, complete with chats and graphs, timetables, and ten-point plans”.

From the Prologue to the third chapter is a monumental contradiction of ideals and personal thoughts Obama presents. A grand surprise for someone that taught the Constitution at the University of Chicago for ten years. A very sad surprise. Obama admits in the very start He doesn’t know how he would do anything. But clearly in his campaign speeches offers change you can believe in. Very extraordinary.

Naive   January 14th, 2008 3:45 pm ET

I don't get it. Johnson supports Hillary and states his reasons. Does Obama address Johnson directly through the press. No, he attacks Hillary. Now I wonder why Obama won't make comments about Johnson in the press. But they tell me race isn't an issue. Oh, Obama

therealist   January 14th, 2008 3:45 pm ET

Ahhhhh…., the aroma of another Clinton administration is in the air..

John Edwards   January 14th, 2008 3:44 pm ET

John Edwards 2008 is the best candidate and most viable option for the general election!

Judith Rich   January 14th, 2008 3:43 pm ET

This is totally disgusting! No wonder so many people are turned off by politicians. Barack has my vote, no matter what the Clinton slime machine throws at him and I'm a 60+ year old woman with very strong feminist credentials. Hillary and Bill make me cringe. Are they so desperate to hold on to power? Time to pass the torch to a new generation….. Barack is the face of the future. Hillary is too divisive. I'd rather drink poison than endure 8 years of her screeching, fear-mongering, pandering, Republican Lite form of "leadership".

karrol   January 14th, 2008 3:42 pm ET

Isn't this the same old stuff that we are refusing. It will take American people like Iowa and NH to say, hell no on feb 5th!

AFSOCSARGE   January 14th, 2008 3:41 pm ET

Jim Kouri wrote this:

"I've Always Been a Yankees Fan, telling whoppers"

Hillary Clinton Researcher Uncovers Tall Tales

Hillary Clinton’s claim that she wanted to be an Olympic athlete and NASA astronaut was part of an effort to humanize the New York Senator, says the editor of a controversial new quote book. What other tall tales has Hillary told?

Olympic athlete. Astronaut. Doctor. Scientist. All dream careers for the young Hillary Rodham, or so she claims…dreams squashed because NASA “[didn’t] take girls.” While all children go through phases of wanting to do something exciting and glamorous, these reminisces sound unbelievable coming from Hillary Clinton.

This according to Thomas Kuiper, editor of the new Hillary Clinton quote book “I’ve Always Been a Yankees Fan: Hillary Clinton in Her Own Words”

The Associate Press published remarks by New York’s junior senator at a symposium on Title IX, the federal law prohibiting gender discrimination in certain educational programs. “I wanted desperately to be an Olympic athlete,” she is quoted as saying. “…[But] I couldn’t jump, I couldn’t run, I couldn’t swim… So I wrote to NASA and said, ‘How do I sign up to be an astronaut?’ And they wrote back very politely and said, ‘We don’t take girls.’”

While NASA did not have female astronauts when Hillary was a kid, Wall Street Journal columnist James Taranto has pointed out that Sally Ride was only 3-1/2 years younger than Hillary when she became the first U.S. woman in space—a revelation which calls into question the validity of this latest public claim by the former first lady.

“This tall tale by Hillary was calculated not just to make voters feel warm and fuzzy about the senator, but to make specific points about her compassion and goodness,” claims Kuiper, whose quote book features over 500 provocative quotes carefully collected from 63 books and over 100 articles and news reports.

“As the many fully attributed quotes in ‘I’ve Always Been A Yankees Fan’ demonstrate, she is constantly trying to manipulate her image through the press. Here, she’s trying to show that she’s ‘one of the girls,’ although nothing could be farther from the truth.

“Hillary Clinton has a long history of telling whoppers,” asserts Kuiper. “As I document in my book, she led people to believe that Chelsea was near the World Trade Center on 9/11, a claim which Chelsea herself disputed.”

On one occasion, she implied that she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary, but he climbed Mount Everest years after she was born. “She also said that she and Bill wanted another child, a maternal desire quickly forgotten after election time! Hillary is not just about pandering, but about rewriting history and her place in it.”

“There is not an ounce of authenticity to her public pronouncements,” adds Kuiper. “Hillary is attempting to rewrite the past, but the truth is out there. My book uses dozens upon dozens of independent sources to paint a picture of the real Hillary—a person who is often profane and always ambitious beyond justification.

“It’s no wonder that Hillary’s spokesman tried to change the topic when the New York Times asked him about ‘I’ve Always Been a Yankees Fan,’” Kuiper quipped.

I'm "Really" for Obama Now !!!!

-AFSOC Sarge

Peggy   January 14th, 2008 3:40 pm ET

And, it is a change from just such shenanigans as this from the Clintons that is making us embrace Obama. Really, it is soooo smarmy. And, don't forget–if he could have behaved a bit better in office we probably would have been spared these long, ugly past 8 years!

darrell   January 14th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

Bill, Your own words of 1992, are hunting you

For more of the same, or a Change, as defined by Bill in 1992

Hillary said JFK was hopefull of passing the civil rights act.

Early this month, she said people can't depend on hope, but hard work.

People are hard at work, For Lesss.

Obama has a vision that's built on the hopes of all america, wanting change.

Bill in 1992, said "the same old experience is not relevant"
Bill did not bring, his supporting cast brought change, His Administration of Thinker.

Hillary Voted for Two wars– iran and iraq – Same old experience

Not relevant – no lessons, no learning took place, Same results

Want Change – You want Obama 2008, His administration shall bring change surrounding his and Americas people hope of a brighter day.

Of course you can have a divider and Hillary's complaints of 16 years of GOP attacks.

We need someone who is focused on the "NOW"

Same old experience …. No Way.

Dave   January 14th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

We can easily silence both the Clinton and Obama camps simply by voting for John Edwards!

The G; Henderson NV   January 14th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

The Clinton fanatics on here keep saying it "not fair" because everybody keeps bringing up their dirty laundry; ergo it is totally acceptable to throw mud at Obama. The problem for them is that there's just not that much garbage to dig up – with the exception of his admitted drug use, the guy's about as close to the perfect candidate as is humanly possible in modern politics. The irony of the whole deal is that their pathetic attacks hurt her because they are so obviously superficial and blatantly low. The news media subsequently remarks about the embarrassing sliminess of such attacks, and then the Clintons are "outraged" that he is being given a free pass.

You know you're running out of ideas when you have to look through somebody's kindergarden records, use the word "cocaine" repeatedly in interviews, call somebody a "fairytale," and postulate that he may have "sold drugs."

Shirley   January 14th, 2008 3:37 pm ET

American people are so stupid. This country does not want a woman or a black man in the presidency. If the Democrats have any chance of winning this election it will be Hillary Clinton. I have always voted for a Democrat for the presidency but will not vote for Obama, not because he is black but because he has no experience and that is why the country is in such a mess. Bush had no real experience. I will guarantee you that if Obama is the candidate there will be many democrats such as I voting the republican ticket. What the hell is wrong with the Democratic party – are they destined for annihilation. Get behind Hlllary – she will do more for this country than any other candidate, regardless of any party. The republican party knows that whomever they select can beat Obama. I wonder where all Obama's money is coming from, wealthy republicans who want him to be the democratic candidate. Wake up, Democrats! Wake up Americans! Can you imagine what will happen if Obama gets the presidency? all the crazies will uprise and this country will be no better off than Iraq. God help us.

Towers   January 14th, 2008 3:36 pm ET

To the Clintons:

I defended you when extreme right wing radicals attacked you when you were president. But now your style and rhetoric is showing the Clintons I didi not see in the past. I can no longer support your politics.

dee   January 14th, 2008 3:32 pm ET

the reason Hillary's voice broke is because she can't believe her and Bill's big plans ,hopefully ,is falling apart. The bubble is going to burst I hope!!!!

Jack   January 14th, 2008 3:32 pm ET

Strange. I used to get my political info from Huffington Post — esp. during 2004 election season. But now I see you all have picked your Democratic candidate, and if it's not the one I like, tough! Why not have a real debate about it? Otherwise, you're no different than Fox.

So I'll be a lone voice on your site:

Hillary Clinton has the experience to deal with people and make progress. Obama needs more experience. Clinton/Obama for 2008, Obama/? for 2016.

Stop bashing her…otherwise we'll end up with McCain.

AFSOCSARGE   January 14th, 2008 3:31 pm ET

The Clintons should truly be ashamed for keeping this going. Obama has been against the War from the start Period !! Why after all the Debates Hillary Never Questioned or Challenged Obama ? Now last week Bill brings it up and steps in it by not fully quoting Obama, then Hillary Belittles MLK's roll in the Civil Rights Movement, then Low and Behold it is All Obama's Fault for Everyting !! They send BET's Robert Johnson out, he Spouts Obama's Drug use, well I remember 'I Smoked It, But Did Not Inhale" Bill has no Room For This Mud Slinging!
This is truly Horrid and I will not Support her any Longer !!

I'm on for Obama Now !!!!

-AFSOC Sarge

GeorgiaMom   January 14th, 2008 3:31 pm ET

I have noticed a lot of people saying that Obama was comparing himself to JFK and MLK, Jr because he mentioned their historic speeches. From my reading he was just pointing that if they had no hope then the extraordianary things that they accomplished would not have happened. I that means that this back and forth between the campaigns in pointless and not productive at all. It is being blown out of proportion by the media. I have decided that I am going to ignore the media and do my candidate research on my own. This is just ridiculous. We as the people should not allow them to treat us this way.

Eric, Chicago   January 14th, 2008 3:29 pm ET

I'm disgusted that people think the fact that Barack's middle name is Hussein is enough of a reason not to vote for him.

Well guess what… Hillary's name is Hillary. In grade school I asked a girl named Hillary out and she laughed at me and turned me down. I'm not voting for Hillary Clinton because of that. See how ridiculous that sounds? Not voting for someone because of what they are named… shame on you.

Mike   January 14th, 2008 3:28 pm ET

For someone to say that they are not complaining about attacks on his wife, then why are you talking about? No she doesn’t complain she just cries about it. Give us all a break Bill and just go home. We are sick and tired of all you’re bickering when things don’t go your way. All this for a woman who couldn’t unite a peanut butter and jelly sandwich

zagyzebra   January 14th, 2008 3:28 pm ET

I think this just points to the fact that there is really only one true candidate that is worth winning the dem nomination: EDWARDS! Unfortunately, he doesn't garner the headlines because he's not doing the mud-slinging. We all need to get past the media and look at the obvious.

Teri Leighton   January 14th, 2008 3:28 pm ET

Did anyone take the same history class in high school as I – where we learned that Presidents have what are known as 'presidential aides' who advise them on policy for twhich they are not experts? When Hillary Rodham Clinton says that she has more experience than Barack Obama, what exactly is she referring to? I don't recall her ever being president once, although fomer President Bill Clinton siamese twin like enodrsesement of his wife is yet another application of spin on the American public into believing that Bill and Hillary are ONE AND THE SAME. Perhaps my fellow Americans could pause for the thought of Bill Clinton serving an unofficial or technical 3rd term in office? If his advisors' decision to carpet bomb the former state of Yugoslavia is anything to go by and the current president's dismissal of any dipomatic logic is to be the benchmark, then rested is my conscious in a personal decision to switch from Clinton to Obama.as i fear with the former the Nation would only face a continuance of a dictatorship style of presidency, now commonly associated with the term 'democracy'. With Obama, one feels that he remembers democracy means government BY the people, FOR the people. Let's not get sidetracked by political bullying tactics with delusional claims of being more presidential than anyone else. What the Nation needs is a fresh approach, a fresh insight to our America – not a revisitation of a soured career.

Gracious & Logical   January 14th, 2008 3:28 pm ET

1) Many of you will support the Clintons regardless of all circumstances etc. …I get it.

2) Some of you are bigots and will never support a black person …I get that as well.

As it is evident that some cannot be fair or logical, how about embracing honesty?

1) Is it logical to suggest that diminishment of MLK and the civil rights movement is Hilary “defending herself”?

2) Is it logical to characterize Bill’s distortions of Sen Obama’s positions as “standing up for his wife”?

3) Why is it that two supposedly smart people cannot adequately articulate their views such that they are constantly being misrepresented by commonsensical, unbiased people?

For those who insist on emphasizing that Obama’s past drug use is fair game, you are certainly CORRECT; however that is not the source of concern or objection here… please read the commentary and properly process the nature of it before you post.

DG

jimmy   January 14th, 2008 3:26 pm ET

These folks think their old 90's tatics still works. The young voters are so much informed. I hope this backfire on them!

Gypsy Jones   January 14th, 2008 3:25 pm ET

Well the only people I have heard talking about race is Bill and Hilary Clinton, I didn't hear Barrack Obama talking about race, and now the Clintons are complaining that the things THEY said from their own mouths, that they've been so BUSY trying explain, are the fault of Obama? I don't get it? It is like someone passing gas and then pointing at someone else and complaining about the smell.

Garett   January 14th, 2008 3:25 pm ET

Way to go Bill! Obama has been given a free ride by the press and the majority of the talking heads for too long now. This election will decide the leader of the free world and nothing should be off limits. The former president is engaging in a legitimate campaign tactic and Mr. Obama had better toughen up; The mud that the Clintons are slinging is nothing compared to what would come his way in the event he wins the nomination and goes up against the GOP's political machine

Dave   January 14th, 2008 3:25 pm ET

Do I believe what I'm reading? I see several comments from people saying they won't vote for Hillary if she wins (the nomination) because of how nasty the race has become. Are you serious? You'd help deliver this country to at least four more years of Republican control because you don't like the mudslinging between her and Obama? Get a grip and look at the bigger picture. There's too much at stake.

Jack   January 14th, 2008 3:24 pm ET

Vast right wing conspiracy here.. ;) . Go McCain

Christy   January 14th, 2008 3:24 pm ET

HEY WHERE WERE ALL OF YOU WHEN OBAMA WAS BEING LOVED MY THE MEDIA AND HILLARY WAS THE LOSING CANDIDATE? BILL CLINTON AND HILLARY CLINTON HAS SAID NOTHING AT ALL IN REFERENCE TO OBAMA BEING LESS OF A PERSON AND OR HURTING BLACK OR AFRICAN AMERICANS! LISTEN TO THIS GUY ON CNN SAYING THAT HILLARY CLINTON WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR SOME OTHER PRESIDENT THEN MINORITIES WOULD NOT HAVE RIGHTS! WHAT! THE CLINTONS WILL COME AT YOU WITH THE FACTS AND SO BRING IT ON OBAMA! HE MADE THE COMMENT THAT IS WAS ILL ADVISED FOR HER TO SAY WHAT SHE SAID AND ALL SHE SAID WAS WHAT SHE MENT. WHAT DOES THE FAIRY TALE HAVE TO DO WITH RACE! IT'S THE AFRICAN AMERICAN ANCHORS AND REPORTERS THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE THIS A BLACK ISSUE NOT HILLARY OR CLINTON,BUT IF YOU WANT A LIST HERES THE LIST SAINT OBAMA! HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT 2008!

Steve   January 14th, 2008 3:23 pm ET

Why is Bill having all of these press conferences? Who is running for President again? I thought it was his wife?

Peter   January 14th, 2008 3:23 pm ET

I wish we have another woman to be the first President of United states other than Hillary. I could certainly paid more attention to her.
Go Obama!

Spin City   January 14th, 2008 3:22 pm ET

This is what I don't like about the Clintons. Everything is everyone else's fault. They are the kings of spin. How is this anybody fault but Hillary's? She made a comment, the media jumped on it and people, including her chief rivals started reacting. Suddenly she's a victim and Obama is playing the race card.

Do you think Hillary would have refrained from commenting on something controversial that Obama or Edwards said. Please.

Meanwhile, the Clintons roll out an African American leader to discredit Obama and do the most offensive spin job after he brings up Obama's self-reported teen experimentation with drugs.

This is where her massive "experience" really comes into play. Nobody is better at this election game than Hillary and Bill. Spin… Spin… Spin.

If this turns into another "It's My Turn" election between Hillary and John McCain, count me out.

G, Margate, FL   January 14th, 2008 3:21 pm ET

If Clinton wins, I think Obama should ask Ron Paul to be his running mate on a third party ticket.

Obama/Paul 08

Drama   January 14th, 2008 3:19 pm ET

I'm still waiting on Billary to produce that list!

rik bloom   January 14th, 2008 3:17 pm ET

Bill is losing his stature as an ex-president. The Clintons are just parsing words in the attempt to make distinctions between HC and Obama. The differences are largely in who they are as people, leadership skills, vision, etc.–as well as policies on which they largely agree.

Cathy   January 14th, 2008 3:16 pm ET

Great another generation of interns for Billy to harrass!!! Stop him NOW..Vote Obama

Harry, NY NY   January 14th, 2008 3:15 pm ET

Bill Clinton needs to retire gracefully. I can't recall a former president injecting himself into an election as much as former President Clinton. You would think he is running for re-election.

Who is running here?

Philip, Richmond, England   January 14th, 2008 3:15 pm ET

It's incredible just how badly seasoned politicians can misjudge the peoples feeling on issues. They're only managing to ostracize the very people that they are trying to entreat with their "he said she said." I've really supported the Clintons from the word go and was a big fan of Bill as President but I'm not so sure anymore.

bruce   January 14th, 2008 3:15 pm ET

Barack prides himself on coming from the "rough and tumble of Chicago politic." Hillary and Barack are rivals for the highest office in the land. They are both fighting tooth and nail. Neither is a saint. Neither is without fault. Neither can claim the high road. The Clintons are not racists, and Sen Obama is not a drug ravaged gangbanger. Their positions are very close. I'm going with the experience. Obama in 2016!

fridge   January 14th, 2008 3:14 pm ET

I am so amazed that people actually trust Bill Clinton.
When will America wake up to value substance over form?

AE, Los Angeles, CA   January 14th, 2008 3:13 pm ET

I keep waiting to see just ONE news item that has Obama or anyone on his staff respond to all this Clinton spin. I have looked everywhere and have not seen once the so-called "race card" being pulled by he, his staff, or anyone actually connected to the campaign. Am I just missing something? Or are the Clinton's trying to blame this all on him by just talking about it vociferously?

darrell   January 14th, 2008 3:11 pm ET

Hillary said JFK was hopefull of passing the civil rights act.

Early this month, she said people can't depend on hope, but hard work.

People are hard at work, For Lesss.

Obama has a vision that's built on the hopes of all america, wanting change.

Bill in 1992, said "the same old experience is not relevant"

Hillary Voted for Two wars– iran and iraq – Same old experience

Not relevant – no lessons, no learning took place, Same results

Want Change – Obama 2008

Tom Dedham, Mass   January 14th, 2008 3:11 pm ET

CE, Wisconsin, USA January 14, 2008 2:46 pm ET

First came Sheehan's comments. They were followed by Mark Penn, Then Hillary made her comments about MLK/LBJ. They were followed by Cumo's remarks and finally Bob Johnson. This has all taken place in the last 4-6 weeks, has come from the Clinton team and is a heck of a coincidence.

Thank you CE for your list, it actually could be longer…….

All of these "comments" were similar in nature and they were thought out and they all were MEANT to send a message and along with the Hillary campaigns STATED goal to soften her image (and fake cry), they are meant to divide Democrats by race and by gender and it is working.

I as a Conservative should be happy that this is going on, but I am an AMERICAN first and this is shameful.

Look at the pattern of what they have been doing for a month or so, surrogates INCLUDING a former President go out and spread hateful rhetoric and if Obama has the gall to respond, THEN HILLARY is the spokesperson to say that he is being mean to wittle ol' me or he is mistating my words.

Have we not had enough of the daily explanations on what was meant by the Clinton's words and actions?

How many of their people had to resign or apologize?

It is as simple as ABC.

Lulie   January 14th, 2008 3:10 pm ET

Bill, you have sunken to an all time low… You have become that kid you says, " oh yeah, well what about you?" Grow up!!! Actually, no stay juvenile and continue to do what you are doing because it makes Barack Obama look all the better. He is for change and you and Hillary constantly remind one of "old politics as usual" You and Hillary are doing a great job in getting Senator Obama ready for the republicans. For this sir… I thank you…

G, Margate, FL   January 14th, 2008 3:10 pm ET

I am a democrat but I am sick ot the fight between Clinton and Obama and they need to realize that they are turning people off, the election on my state will helf on 1/29/08 and I will not for neither one, I will vote for other issues concerning my state.

Ed   January 14th, 2008 3:10 pm ET

This is why as a democrat if Hillary is the nominee I just won't vote for a president. I voted twice for Bill but realize now these two may be the most disingenous people on the planet. It seems to be that other than her brief term as a senator she is qualified to be either a lawyer or a first lady. She's had her cance at both. Barak Obama is the breath of fresh air we need after George W, Bill and Hil.

Ken   January 14th, 2008 3:10 pm ET

I wonder what Bill will do when the mayor Bloomberg will run after feb 5th. Can not wait if they don't give Obama what he deserve.

Rita Wakefield   January 14th, 2008 3:10 pm ET

I am soo angry at Senator Obahma. I thought of him as a young, inspirational speaker who with a little more experience would make a great presidential canidate. When I heard about the two stories concerning the Clinton's comments, I thought …ok Senator Obahma will come out and tell everyone that he doesn't believe that they are racists. That their comments were not out of line. I can't believe that he jumped on the finger pointing bandwagon. His wife also joined in. What part of Hillary Clintón's comment was racist? Didn't LBJ push through the civil rights laws? Of course he did. Does that take away from Martin Luther KIng? of course it doesn't
Doesn't Bill Clinton have a right to criticize Senator Obahma's vote on the war budget. Because he described Senator Obahma's time line description as a fairy tale ….how is that raicst. Senator Obahma should have been above all of that crap. He doesn't look presidential. He won't recieve my vote ever. He should be trying to bring people together not dividing people . I am ashamed for him and his wife.

Susan   January 14th, 2008 3:09 pm ET

this is disgusting…

truly a disgrace to the democratic party

G, Margate, FL   January 14th, 2008 3:09 pm ET

I am a democrat but I a sick ot the fight between Clinton and Obama and they need to realize that they are turning people off, the election on my state will helf on 1/29/08 and I will not for neither one, I will vote for other issues concerning my state.

jack,NY   January 14th, 2008 3:09 pm ET

wow,
Is this Bill Clinton third term after a break? Looks like Hillary can not do it for herself. That shows how Obama is strong in this campaign. Why don't they just let it go!

TXMan   January 14th, 2008 3:09 pm ET

Emotionalism is rampant. Both Bill and Hillary have tried to be clear about their comments…and the media consistently repeats only parts of their statements….which helps fan the flames…which is, unfortunately, the apparent primary objective of the current media.

We have become like the British…we must always tear down anyone who appears to be on top…..

Rachel, CA   January 14th, 2008 3:09 pm ET

I cannot TAKE anymore of the crap that comes out of Bill Clinton's mouth. Before he started campaigning so hard for his wife, I at least had respect for him. Ever since his ranting speech in New Hampshire calling the Obama campaign a "fairy tale" – I have lost ALL respect. Come on Clintons, get out of the mud and start having discussions about THE ISSUES. Or are you afraid the American people won't agree with that either?
I can't wait until this election is over.

Pedro   January 14th, 2008 3:08 pm ET

Is anybody still listening to this guy? It looks to me like he is freaking out that he might not get re-re-elected.

stanz   January 14th, 2008 3:08 pm ET

Absolute proof the Clintons want to argue; Bill has come out with a list. Obama has nothing to gain from this turning negative. All of the sympathy votes are there for Hillary. Sixty Seven percent of the population is Caucasian and more than half the voters are women. Obama doesn't even have a clear advantage with the miniscule 12 percent of African American voters, because more than half are women!! Obama won in a Caucasian state, he doesn't need to fire up African Americans. The pundits said that would happen naturally after he proved support in Iowa. I'm a man who was raised by a single parent( my mother). My mother has shown more strength to me than any man. But if you vote for someone because they are a woman, than that is superficial and biased. Bias is Bias. You can be biased against someone or biased for someone. It's wrong either way!

calicotony   January 14th, 2008 3:07 pm ET

Lets get rid of the Clinton's and their style of slime ASAP.

Allie   January 14th, 2008 3:07 pm ET

As a republican, I am so happy that this is what the Democratic party has to offer. And from reading the comments it seems that the Democrats are probably going to vote republican too. And why shouldn't you all? When your party gives you a woman to vote for?!?! Women can't run the country! This is the sort of godless arrogance that Americans HATE! The bible spells out in Timothy that a women's place is at home, she should not draw attention to herself, and she should respect men.

The republicans may have somehow allowed a mormon into the mix, but at least we don't have this hubris — to put a female into the running! I'm laughing so hard that even the Democrats are seeing the error of their godless ways! FINALLY.

Concerned Mother   January 14th, 2008 3:06 pm ET

Senator Hillary Clinton’s stance on Race and Gender;

Senator Hillary Clinton on Mahatma Gandhi.

”Source – Washington Post, January 7, 2004, Page C-3 in the "Names and Faces" gossip column: Sen. Hillary Clinton apologized for a bizarre joke about how Mahatma Gandhi ran a gas station in St. Louis.Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton apologized yesterday for joking that Mahatma Gandhi "ran a gas station down in St. Louis." The New York Democrat made the remark Saturday at a fund-raiser in St. Louis for Senate candidate Nancy Farmer.The former first lady called her introduction "a lame attempt at humor" and insisted it was not based on any stereotype about certain ethnic groups.”

Senator Clinton is classic in injecting race and gender in politics. She has demonstrated time and again with her inappropriate remarks while campaigning for her fellow Senator in St. Louis, Missouri and now in the Presidential race.

It is interesting to watch Senator Clinton back peddling from her onslaught on Twentieth Century icons whether it is Mahatma Gandhi or Rev.Dr.Martin Luther King Jr.

I am a great admirer of Mahatma Gandhi, Rev.Dr.Martin Luther King Jr. and the contemporary hero and nobel peace laureate Nelson Mandela. These leaders set a historic precedent as champions of peace and non-violence. I am grateful that the children of the world can turn to history and understand the true meaning of unity, peace and racial harmony especially in the current climate of unrest and turmoil around the world.

Is Dalai Lama the next victim of her political spoof?

Concerned Mother

auntie   January 14th, 2008 3:05 pm ET

Can't we demand they talk about issues rather than this crap? Can't we demand that the press cover issues rather than this crap? And shouldn't we demand of ourselves that we know as much about their health care plans as we do about who said what to whom, when and were the tears sincere and …………

Call them all, write them all and tell them we are sick of this.

carusofarm@tds.net   January 14th, 2008 3:05 pm ET

Hey Bill,

I have a list too – 80 reasons not to vote for Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately, you have been added as one of the reasons. The campaign you guys are running really sucks!

Jonathan   January 14th, 2008 3:04 pm ET

Hillary's use of playing the victim or the girl campaigning, just proves she's the wrong person for the job.

BOO HOO – She's on the receiving end of attacks. Hello its politics.

Her analogies are awful. She's just as polarizing as George Bush and could only further damage America if she became President.

Republicans don't like her.

Edwards or Obama make better sense in every instance.

MariaDR   January 14th, 2008 3:03 pm ET

Guys I am a strong Obama supporter, who won't vote for HRC under any circumstances.

Clinton lost me a long time ago when she voted for the war. I really only had Obama or Kucinich to choose from. Yeah he voted to fund the war, because we all know GWB wouldn't have cared and the perception that Democrats don't care about the troops. I understand his vote and agree with him. Though I was ALWAYS against the war. If I could see it, why couldn't Hillary? because as she has proven during the campaign, she'll resort to anything to win, including voting for a disastrous war, race baiting, lying about Obama's record cause she cannot defend her. etc. You get the point.

I HOPE Obama leaves the democratic party if the Clintons continue to be the figureheads of the Democratic party. He is a shining star. Back to the silver lining, for those of us who are now firmly in the ABH, think about the meeting with Obama/Bloomberg. it would be a great ticket especially for those who can't vote for a Republican….. have the option of voting anyways.

Screw them and those who follow them. We don't owe the democratic party anything. If anything, Clinton owes me for all the work I put in so he wouldn't be removed from office.

Guys we made a mistake. It would have been better for Gore to be a incumbent president and getting rid of the 2 Clinton leeches. No wonder Gore and Kerry have such disdain for them.

Again Clinton is distracting Obama because she has to continue to lie about the reasons she trusted GWB and went to war. Example: She lied on MTP yesterday about her reasons.

So let's calm down, screw the Clintons, they want to make us look like angry bitter black people who are crazy if we think the Clinton's are race bating. We are playing into their hands. Don't get mad ….get even.

Obama/Bloomberg 08

Gobama   January 14th, 2008 3:02 pm ET

AMAZING!

Talking about Dems AGAIN snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, AGAIN on account of the Clintons.

The selfish, self-centered and self-absorbed Clintons created and singled handedly destroyed their huge Presidential legacy.
They defiled the White House and destroyed whatever marriage they had.

Since then US Presidency has been on the decline, and the Democratic Party has been snatching defeat after defeat from the jaws of victory.

Al Gore should have won easily; but he was humiliated by a bungling bush.

Kerry should have won easily; but he did not have the stomach to fight the Republicans, who will resort to any evil to gain and maintain power.

And now in 2008 when the country badly needs a new direction, the Republicans are likely to WIN AGAIN, and continue America/s slide into the abyss.
For shame, the shameless Clintons!

darrell   January 14th, 2008 3:02 pm ET

TO: Sue in Raleigh

enjoyed your comment!

_______________________________________________________________

Was it a Fairy tale for Clinton Vote for a War with Iran.

Of course they are going to fund solders until they are brought home?

Iran is next, not because of Obama

Hillary Voted for war with Iran.

Obama will give diplomacy a chance then unilateral support will be there for him. Not there now, because of a war happy Hillary who voted for war twice.

Not once Twice

Obama

Tom Davie   January 14th, 2008 3:02 pm ET

The obama camp didnt have to FREAK OUT over the comments.

This is what the problem is. Cmon folks , get real.

In political campaigns , candidates poking at eachother is fair game.

Do you forget when obama(and Edwards) was BOOED off the stage for attacking senator clinton in a debate?

It was because Clinton was ahead. I dont blame obama for trying to beat Clinton back down.

Now obama has momentum and clinton is trying to beat him down. Its pretty standard stuff.

The race is so tight, Clinton feels she needs to make sure the HYPE doesnt get carried away, and Obama needs to steer clear of any attack on his experience , and keep talking about 'change' .

Hey, whatever works.

but the comments here on this thread and others make it seem like nobody considers these concepts , and is so ROYALLY OFFENDED by the other candidate (depending on who you support)

both clinton and Obama probably have phone calls to each other daily to map out what type of mud slinging is allowed.

Lets not forget people winning the nomination is NOT winning the election. Both the Obama voters need to vote for clinton and the clinton folks need to vote for Obama depending on who wins.

Dont let this silly stuff tear apart the party so that the independents all chase after John McCain of Mike Huckabee.

Last thing we need is the war to continue and our economy to go down the tubes.

brain,boston   January 14th, 2008 3:02 pm ET

It is so fortunate that those who are for Obama from the beggining,of which is the majority are either well informed or educated.
Clintons, fool me once…..

hulka   January 14th, 2008 3:01 pm ET

Bill, go pardon some more of your criminal cronies when you get back in the White House.

Randolph Monroe, Chicago   January 14th, 2008 3:00 pm ET

The Clinton's are crashing and burning, they're in a panic and showing blacks their true colors. If blacks see this as the true colors of the democratic party, the republican party will have a field day on election day.

Larry Buchas, New Britain, CT   January 14th, 2008 3:00 pm ET

I don't know if I should get mad or laugh at Bill Clinton's childish tirades. Maybe they should let Chelsea speak in their place?

And this is the all-inclusive Democratic party? Doesn't this power obsessed lunatic realize what's at stake?

Hey Bill, we thought it was a Republican conspiracy? I lost respect for a man I voted for. Keep it up! Your library won't be receiving many visits.

jack,boston   January 14th, 2008 3:00 pm ET

Monte Brown, New York, NY,
stop wasting so much of your time with paragraph. At this point in time we are only reading the first part of your paragraph and know who you are supporting and we move on.
Either with us or not with us!

Mary, Las Vegas   January 14th, 2008 2:58 pm ET

What does everyone think about what the Culinary Union is doing to make sure Obama wins the caucus in las vegas?

Matt   January 14th, 2008 2:57 pm ET

Just another example of the former President being a bad Democrat. What happens if Obama gets the nomination. Will President Clinton refuse to support and campaign for him? If he does campaign, would the support be negated by this type of behavior? President Clinton is still very popular and a great campaigner. I'd hate to lose his ability to generate support for the Democratic nominee because of comments he made to support his wife.

mo-lama   January 14th, 2008 2:56 pm ET

Every time Bill opens his mouth I get further away from being able to vote for Hilary. He is exactly why I have reservations about supporting her — I don't want a dynasty, I don't want a rerun of his presidency, I don't want a return to this crap, with the only difference being it will be between them and the Republicans. What's next — Newt as vp?

ceci   January 14th, 2008 2:55 pm ET

"It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If 'is' means 'is and never has been' that's one thing – if it means 'there is none', that was a completely true statement,"
Bill Clinton

Enough said. He will spin, triangulate, say anything. So will she. Linguistic aerobics 101!

Lisa   January 14th, 2008 2:55 pm ET

Mitt and Rudy talk about carrying a card around with them with the things that they want to accomplish as President – and Clinton, well he carries a list of scores to settle.

Saundra Tucson   January 14th, 2008 2:54 pm ET

Well, well well. It's ok for Obama to be critical of Hillary, and to be somewhat condiscending of her. However, if she or Bill start to protest and point out Obama's weak points, then you all Clinton haters, cry foul. Do your homework people. Look into his stands on the issues. He is very ambigous and doesn't talk much about the issues but emphasizes "change'. Change for change's sake is no change at all. A feel good candidate is not what this country needs. We have serious problems, people without healthcare or high premiums, the mortgage mess, job loss, economic pressures, the dollar falling like a rock. Where is Obama on these issues?? Or actually where is Oprah on these issues?
One person commented that she was going to go for Hillary, but because of the way the Clintons were acting, she is going for Obama. That sure is a intellegent reason for voting!! Never mind what he stands for, not important??? With the way the country is being run right now, this is the only reason to vote for him? How sad

richard thaler   January 14th, 2008 2:53 pm ET

can't the clintons give it a rest? it is their tone and adjectives more than the supposed intent of their comments that are really getting offensive. these are the same folks who told every one to only talk issues and not be divisive when they thought hillary would win in a cakewalk. perhaps hardest for me to fathom is why they think that their mode of attack will help them with the african american community. i would like to believe that they are not trying to stir up white animus in the democratic party. as a white democrat, that would be very repugnant to me. equally unclear to me is what hillary stands to gain from this. does she want to helpo the republicans and destroy her career and the legacy of her husband all in one fell swoop?

Moonwood   January 14th, 2008 2:52 pm ET

Bill's strategy is called "inoculation" , its something Rove perfected. You accuse your opponent of exactly what you are doing.
Bill is saying Obama is attacking Hillary and keeps saying it and saying it and then the media asks Obama what he thinks and he says its their fight and so the Clintons say he is continuing to attack her.
The Clintons know Hillary's negatives are very high – the strategy is to raise Obama's negatives higher which will give Hillary a better chance.

caywen   January 14th, 2008 2:52 pm ET

BTW, I believe HRC is going to find herself the target of a Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy. Democrats want the independents, and Obama is the only candidate that can compete for them. That's why Obama's scoring the endorsements despite not being as established as the Clintons in the party. The Democrats want to win the *election* – not to trivially anoint a party line Democrat the nomination. They don't want to repeat Kerry '04.

kuhlfrog   January 14th, 2008 2:52 pm ET

let's get to the issues please….
I want to hear about Obama from Obama and about
Clinton from Clinton
There's so much to talk about, why waste time with mudslinging?

mivogo   January 14th, 2008 2:51 pm ET

Wow, can the Obama people be even more thin-skinned?
What "terrible" thing did Bill say–that Obama has attacked Hillary too?
Get over it! This is a walk in the park compared to what the Republicans will do if Obama is the Dem. nominee. What Bill has said is fair game. If he can't take this, I don't want him running.

sfam   January 14th, 2008 2:50 pm ET

And BTW, having Bill "I didn't have sex with that woman" Clinton telling us, "I think we have to take (Johnson) at his word" that he didn't mean "drug use" when he clearly did is literally creating a caricature. Could they have possibly come up with a worse spokesman to tell us to believe an obvious lie???? I don't think so.

John   January 14th, 2008 2:50 pm ET

I have listened to both sides in this campaign Hillary's campaign is giving Obama's campaign lots of unsubstanciated slurs which eventually backfire on her, Obama's response is usually fairly mild and measured. but guess what she is the one loosing advisers and managers faster then Mcdonalds sell burgers.

Brent Christopher   January 14th, 2008 2:48 pm ET

This is one FORMER Hillary support. My first choice now is Edwards, then Obama and I would have to hold me nose to vote for Hillary.

Hint: Bill, you are NOT running for a 3rd term, so just stop it. This is way beneath the statesmanship that is now your position. Do you see other former presidents actively campaigning for the candidates?

Kay   January 14th, 2008 2:47 pm ET

It is unfortunate that someone who smoked but 'did not inhale' will be throwing mud at another who told the truth that he smoked and inhaled, naturally Bill, fell sorry for what he did and wrote about it in a book for all to read. We don't want saints in the White House. We want people who will tell us the truth. And if I were Obama, I would not worry about BET's Johnson's comments. On what moral grounds was he criticising Obama anyway? Am I missing something?

Kyle - Austin, TX   January 14th, 2008 2:47 pm ET

I was once one of Bill Clinton's most ardent admirers. Now I'm just saddened at what he's become, an embittered attack dog. The Clintons are what we thought they were.

statusquomustgo   January 14th, 2008 2:47 pm ET

Bill needs to be quiet

CE, Wisconsin, USA   January 14th, 2008 2:46 pm ET

First came Sheehan's comments. They were followed by Mark Penn, Then Hillary made her comments about MLK/LBJ. They were followed by Cumo's remarks and finally Bob Johnson. This has all taken place in the last 4-6 weeks, has come from the Clinton team and is a heck of a coincidence.

Carl   January 14th, 2008 2:46 pm ET

Back on topic: where were the Obama attacks?! he's been remarkably serene and stayed above the fray… The Clintons have been called far worse than "likable enough". Let's stay real here – this is a one-way mud slinging!

JJ Pennsylvania   January 14th, 2008 2:46 pm ET

Hillary has brought change to my family. Every time we see them on TV, we change the channel.

Shirley   January 14th, 2008 2:46 pm ET

It is a very sad day for the Democratic party. No primary in Michigan or Florida and now a former president publicly degrading himself. Bill Clinton had the respect of millions and during the past two weeks he has diminished that respect. His comments are embarrassing and he is negatively affecting his wife's campaign. His level of intelligence and political knowledge and savy should tell him that they are going down the wrong track. His talk show conversations have let me know that he is not the man he was thought to be.

Obama and his entire campaign should rise above this and stay out of the discussion. Show that you are bigger than this discussion and stick to the issues. We don't want to hear why we should'nt vote for Bill and Hillary, we want to hear why we should vote for you.

I fear that this country is going to miss out on two great opportunities for a sound leader of this country due to this racial slinging. Hilliary and Obama are both going to loose and we are going to end up with another 4 years of Republicans running the show. It is truly a sad time for the Democratic party. Maybe this country isn't ready for a woman or half-black man as president.

Elliot   January 14th, 2008 2:44 pm ET

This isn't what I want.

As much as I look back fondly on Bill's years in the office, I guess I wasn't remembering what I DIDN'T like from him; this sort of stuff…

Ya, unless something dramatic changes, I don't think I am going to vote for Hillary. I only wish I could get the $100.00 back I donated before Thanksgiving…

lol

Diane   January 14th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

Hillary, you embarrass me! by john nelson
Promoted Monday, 01/14/08 @ 12:30 pm. Published Monday, 01/14/08 @ 12:57 am

Being a baby boomer, just a few years younger than Hillary, I always thought and hoped that our generation would do extraordinary things after the 60's and 70's. I thought we would promote peace and justice; make huge progress on racism and sexism; and leave an everlasting mark on this country that our generation could be proud of.

Now it appears that one of the most important people of my generation; a person who claims to have supported all the ideals listed above, for the last 35 years; only believes in those ideals if they are convenient for her.

I guess, in the case of Hillary Clinton, when push comes to shove; ideals fly out the window if they are not working. In Hillary's case, it appears that the attitude is if we can't win above the fray, we'll settle for victory in the gutter. Whatever works. Apparently we really didn't know Hillary until now. I am so disappointed that one of the leaders of our generation has taken this route, when the going got tough.

Todays comments by Robert Johnson and yesterdays by former Senator Kerrey, about Barrack Obama clearly tell me who the real Hillary is. On the way to her crowning, Senator Obama got in the way (how dare he). Since then Hillary has played the race card, gender card, drug card, MLK-LBJ card, Obama is too liberal card, Obama is too conservative card; and completely twisted his positions on important issues such as abortion and Iraq.

Finally last week she played the tear card, and it worked. I've never seen her cry over our Marines and soldiers getting killed in Iraq, or over people losing their jobs, or over people without healthcare, or anything else. But when it appears she may lose an election she crys. That's because it's all about her. It's always been that way with the Clintons and their do anything, say anything strategy to hold on to and gain power. It's never about us; it's always about them. I for one, am embarrassed that they represent the Baby Boomer generation. Are we really that selfish and spoiled as the Clintons portray us?

Citizen   January 14th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

B.Lee

Get real!

That is what some may want you to believe. Go and do some home wrok.

Write it down: Hillary is the next president.

PAPA, IOWA   January 14th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

Bill is keep tabs for what. the republicans in novemeber. I hope someone keeps all this because it will be dejavu all over again in november. somebody will be swift boted with info from bills list. either obama or hillary.

Roland, Clifton - NJ   January 14th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

The fact of the matter is, the Clinton's are the only two individuals in either party that discusses the issues. And that is why they are so often attacked. The rest want to run as though they are on Entertainment Tonight. If you can find anyone, anyone, who has such a commanding understanding of the long-term issues facing our country, please let me know. Bill had to clean up years of ineffective government in the 90s; I guess Hillary will have to do the same. Wake up America. We are lucky they want to serve.

Anonymous   January 14th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

Anyway, who care?

Matchu   January 14th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

The public's perception of Hillary is deteriorating and its going to cost her in the february 5th states and possibly California where she has had a strong lead for awhile. People are getting fed up with her trying to divide the party. We dont want it and we dont want her in the white house.

Carl   January 14th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

I never thought that I would come to this point, but the Clintons turn me off SO BADLY with all this that I will not be able to come out and vote for her/them. I will not vote Republican, but I will stay home, and I won;t be the only one. The do not deserve our vote… The Supreme Court is at play, sadly. One more justice, and in many cases, we will know the outcome the moment a case is filed.

Attacked by the Establishment   January 14th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

As I watch the evening news every day and I see how far down the toilet we have taken this country since the 60s, I can understand why the two party system is a joke. The Dems are kissing the rear ends of people who already have special laws made just for them so why should they play the game. (Hillary will win on the Dem side) If one has to choose then it will be someone we know is not a muslim. Caucasians in this country Dem or otherwise do not respect people who have special laws and rules made just for that group of people so they will not vote for minorities especially on a national level. Now, if the powers within the socialist fabric of our government that run everything can somehow bring themselves to do away with the divisive laws and rules such as so called civil rights laws (passed against Southern States only), Affirmative Action Laws (passed against all others except Africans) and quota systems (same as AAL) then maybe we can get on to the business of working together in this country. But that may not happen because radicals on both sides would have nothing to gain by creating peace and cooperation between the people of this country.

Ron Paul is the only candidate willing to tell the truth and if truth trumps everything else in this world then perhaps the people will see the light before we get more of the SOS.

B.C. in Virginia   January 14th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

Hillary and her divisive nature.

Obama and his militant church.

Looks like another Republican is taking the throne come next January.

When we will the Democrats learn to nominate someone who is actually electable? John Edwards could beat any Republican in today's political environment. I guess, however, he's just not different enough for liberals. Now I've got to hope McCain wins since he's the least evil of the GOP.

Mike Jones   January 14th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

I am an African American Obama supporter who if Barak lost the nomination to Hillary I was going to support her. This mudslinging by her, Bill and and their cronies (Johnson for one) has made me see how pitiful the Clintons really are I under no circumstances will support the Clintons.

Mike Jones

Anonymous   January 14th, 2008 2:41 pm ET

Wait a minute! This is not we do really need in this country.

AnAmerican   January 14th, 2008 2:41 pm ET

The American people are too smart to fall for the Clinton's spin and back-tracking. Hillary was the one that insinuated that Lyndon Johnson was more important than Martin Luther King Jr. regarding civil rights. Bill was the one that used the phrase 'fairy tale'. Billary's friend Robert Johnson (Bill and Hill spent the weekend at his beach house!) is the one that insulted Senator Obama when bring up the teenage drug experimentation that Barack had already been honest about. Why has no one asked about or exposed Hillary's drug use?

Steve25   January 14th, 2008 2:40 pm ET

Bill was the first to started the war of words.

CE, Wisconsin, USA   January 14th, 2008 2:40 pm ET

Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton? Is this the USA or a banana republic? It is not healthy for our democracy to turn the presidency into a two family fiefdom.

brandie tampa   January 14th, 2008 2:40 pm ET

eric—massachusetts—

Actually…it's the OBAMANATOR…

Get it right schmucko!

(How's that for childish? ;)

and to the commentor who disses Michelle O. & the girls…

Truth be known…she certainly looks better than you…& has more class than you could ever dream of.

Maybe they don't focus on her because she's NOT THE CANDIDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Imagine that one genius!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dumb Americans are the ones dividing this country. NO ONE ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!!1

tired   January 14th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

The Clinton campaign, among other tihings, is talking (arguing) out load to itself and pretending that Obama is involved. This allows them to fabricate whatever narrative they want, like accusing Obama of what they are doing (an old cold war trick). Also, They know people can be manipulated easily usually by triggering prejudices.

LOSE OBAMA   January 14th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

Vote Obama and you vote Neo con.

We all know that if obama wins he will lose the white house to the Neo cons.

Lets take back our dear America. Vote to win vote Hillary.

Tommy   January 14th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

I beleive many Clinton votes will be heading to Obama or Edwards after these comments. Hillary needs to watch out because many say that if Edwards goes out of the race, all of his votes will lean towards Obama.

Many also said that if Clinton is not a first choice, then she is not a second choice. Therefore, she better not mess up like she is currently doing.

Nadeem   January 14th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

Bill, a person who i once highly respected, has now become a joke.

Tim   January 14th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

This line of attack is transparent and counterproductive. It was rather clear that Bill and Hillary introduced race into the mix to suggest that Obama's skills at oratory were all he had, that he was in effect little more than a preacher. After opening Pandora's box, they then pretended that it was Obama who injected race into the race. All of this is transparent. I don't know who the Clintons think they are following. I was on the fence about which of these two candidates I would vote for, but no longer. These tactics reminds me of everything I don't like about the Clinton-Bush era.

Apropos of Clintonian tactics, Clinton seeks to contextualize her vote in support of the war by attempting to recast is a vote to continue with inspections. (If she really believed that to be the case, she, not Obama, is the naive candidate.) Not content to stop there, however, and with no sense of irony, she then misstates Obama's position on the war and attacks it. This lady has no shame.

I also think it's a little unseemly for Bill to serve as Hillary's attack dog.

Bob - Florida, RFO   January 14th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

Leslie, SC January 14, 2008 2:07 pm ET

No one has implied that Baracks' drug use is off limits!! What we are syingis that it is known news!

What do you want him to do? Take blood test for drugs?? This is pure and simple a case of the Clintons seeing something they saw as a devine right!

The oligarchy must go! Hillary as the virtual incumbent is part of the Washington mess!

Christopher London, NYC   January 14th, 2008 2:38 pm ET

BILL CLINTON=America's TOP CON MAN. This is conduct so unbecoming a former President but then again, it is not like he exhibited any honor, integrity or character while he was in residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. The 22nd Amendment needs to be amended to preclude "couples" from working in concert to controvert the intent of that Amendment. America, ask yourself do you really want this corrupt duo back in the Whitehouse?

PS, KC, MO   January 14th, 2008 2:38 pm ET

I'll probably get skewered for this, but here goes:
I think part of the problem regarding the MLK fuss is that African Americans have practically deified Dr. King – to the point that they do not want to hear any comments that are less than glowing when he is spoken of. If he were Catholic, he'd have already been canonized.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not some right-wing neo-con or some backwoods racist. I think Dr. King did some great things. He made some great speeches. He marched in the streets and raised awareness of the Civil Rights problem. He gave his life to the cause. I'm old enough to remember those days.
But – he was a man, not a god. There were other people there marching with him. And, all the speeches and all the marches in the world would never had changed any laws without the political process to back it up. Without legislative change, there would have been no real change.
To that end, LBJ (and members of Congress) did play a key role in Civil Rights legislation and making the changes that came about. Take the emotion out and that's the sheer logic you're left with.
I'm a great fan of JFK's, but I will admit that, while JFK had the vision (Camelot), it was LBJ who was able to bring about the change (The Great Society). No different with Dr. King. Yes, LBJ was a back-room wheeler dealer and he could be ruthless at times. I'm not overlooking his flaws. But, sometimes, that's what it took to get things done.

Matt   January 14th, 2008 2:36 pm ET

I have to agree, why is Bill doing all these attacks and speaking, isn't Hillary running for president and not Bill? Why doesn't she stand up for herself and do something instead of having Bill come rescue her or do the dirty work of being her puppet so she doesn't look bad.

luis   January 14th, 2008 2:36 pm ET

However you like to put all of this while Obama was smoking pot and other hard drugs by his OWN admission on his latest book Dreams from my father, Hillary was already out there working to make things better for all of us. LOOK IT UP… Let’s make history Hillary 2008!!!

Nate   January 14th, 2008 2:35 pm ET

Bill and Hillary are hanging on tenterhooks and are determined to throw as much mud at Obama, as they possibly can t muddy the waters.

The two are masters at chicanery and political shenanigans that are borne of greed and megalomania.

What makes Hillary think that she is entitle to the presidency? Just because she countenanced Bill's carousing does not mean that Americans owe her the White House.

Why should we trust Bill anyway? He is the same guy who said "I didn't inhale" and "I had nothing to do with that woman".

What makes him think he has earned the trust of Americans?

If Hillary cannot conduct a sober campaign, she should not think that tears, insults, thinly veiled attacks and feelings of entitlement will win her the White House.

Obama will win the nomination, he has the backing of a majority of right thinking Americans; who understand that their country is not a monarchy and also understand that Hillary is too divisive, too ensconced in the bad ways of Washington to give the U.S the real, positive and inspirational change that it seeks.

Marcia   January 14th, 2008 2:35 pm ET

As Obama said in Newsweek, we know the dark side of politics when we see it. I see it when the Clintons deny responsility for their own "illadvised" attacks, blaming Obama for their own verbal gaffs and insensitivites. Though a lifelong Democrat activist I would never, ever vote for a Clinton.

Jo   January 14th, 2008 2:35 pm ET

wow!…
breathtaking.
sad and heartbreaking.

Victoria   January 14th, 2008 2:35 pm ET

JD…totally agree with you comments…Obama talks of CHANGE…CHANGE..CHANGE….People have been asking about how he is going to get results..Now we see…He is going to take Hillary plans for the encomy and CHANGE the numbers….LOL He can't even come up with his own ideas….

Daryl   January 14th, 2008 2:34 pm ET

Bill and Hilary have had nothing to say for the last 6 years while the Bush administration has been dismantling our democracy and committing war crimes, now they viciously attack Obama for having the audacity to compete for an election they believed would fall in there laps. If either one of them had shown any leadership in countering the Bush administration, I might be interested in what they have to say, but, instead, they supported Bush's illegal, immoral war and campaigned for Joe Lieberman. I wish they would just go away!

Bonnie NYC   January 14th, 2008 2:34 pm ET

Deborah, You are all wet on this fair is fair business. If she can't stand on her own 2 feet she is not qualified to be president and that is that…. PERIOD

Travis Sugarland, Texas   January 14th, 2008 2:34 pm ET

Bob Johnson is now part of the Clinton machine. He needs to be told he can't turn back. Ron Brown and Vince Foster had second thoughts and…. Bob, you must continue to smile and say how much the Clintons love us dumb ol' colored folk. Johnson did not say what what Bill and Hillary had done, he just reminded us that they love us, feel our pain, and know what is best for us.

America it is worse than I thought. I was ready to accept her brand of socialism. I am even prepared for her massive redistribution of wealth. I must now be concerned with Bob Johnson, the founder of BET, being in charge of the FCC. Maybe Larry Flynt can be Secretary of State.

Lukyoh   January 14th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

The little respect I had for Bill has been lost.

Who would listen to a liar? So Bill, did you or did you not have sex with that woman? Or does it depend on my definition of 'is' is?

b.lee   January 14th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

Hillary will not get the democratic nomination and she can thank Bill for that, if Obama is not the party nominee then the Republican party will win again in 08 because Hillary and Bill have been a division in the black community.

Garrett   January 14th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

Way to go Bill! Obama has been given a free ride by the press and the majority of the talking heads for too long now. This election will decide the leader of the free world and nothing should be off limits. The former president is engaging in a legitimate campaign tactic and Mr. Obama had better toughen up; The mud that the Clintons are slinging is nothing compared to what would come his way in the event he wins the nomination and goes up against the GOP's political machine.

Pete   January 14th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

Is this Clinton on Obama, or Rove on McCain in S. Carolina in 2000? Despicable, destructive, and a great help to the GOP. STOP IT, NOW! Hillary just lost any chance of ever getting my vote. Shame on you!

Gracious & Logical   January 14th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

I am baffled beyond belief that the Clintons (supposedly smart people) after the fallout for several reckless, malicious and blatantly untrue statements would have the audacity to somehow spin the stories making Sen Obama responsible for the perception of their remarks. With respects to the various remarks in question (Bill’s “fairy tale” outburst and Hilary’s statement about Dr MLK), I have personally seen the clips several times. The first time I was taken aback… subsequent times I was trying to give both Clintons the benefit of the doubt. However, the conclusions were the same – their comments were objectionable, misleading and divisive at best. For the Clintons to suggest that someone would need to spin their remarks for anyone to find it objectionable is disrespectful for commonsensical persons.

Various strategies are at work here:
1) The Clintons are invoking race in order to isolate Obama from white and other non-black Americans.
2) The Clintons are misrepresented their opponents positions to play the victim and tarnish the record and character of Sen Obama.

Constant mentions of race by the Clintons serves to isolate Obama from white and other non-black Americans. It is evident considering the history and the bigotry that is STILL prevalent in this country; discussions of race would only facilitate ignorance and hurt the Obama campaign. Incidentally, some on this board have already fallen into the Clintons’ trap.

The Clintons continue to misrepresent the positions of their detractors and opponents. Recent examples are Sen Obama’s position on the war and Sen Obama remarks concerning the ability of words to inspire. Firstly, Sen Obama staunchly opposed the Iraq war from the very onset when that position was unpopular (as he had surmised that the Government had not made a strong case for taking such an unyielding action). Subsequent to the war, in the early phase Sen Obama made a really difficult decision to vote for funding as the troops were still fighting and hence needed equipment etc to enhance their safety. Secondly, in reference to Clintons statements diminishing the power of word, Obama pointed to Dr MLK and President JFK as examples of the impact of words.

It is clear that the Clintons will stop at nothing to seize power and that’s quite unfortunate.

DG

Bob - Florida, RFO   January 14th, 2008 2:32 pm ET


The mess began —as these things almost always do — in a normal tit for tat between the candidates. A

fter Obama was poised to surge past Clinton after Iowa, Clinton charged that Obama was raising "false hopes" with his soaring rhetoric that emphasized ends over means.

Obama skewered Clinton right back in New Hampshire, asking where the nation would be if both JFK — in making a manned mission to the moon a goal — or Martin Luther King Jr. — in his 1963 Lincoln Memorial speech — had instead shut down their visions and told America they were simply too hard to achieve.

Delivered with humor and always to soaring applause, Obama's was a devastating rejoinder.

Now how did this get started by Team Obama???

Go Obama '08

Bonnie NYC   January 14th, 2008 2:31 pm ET

These 2 sort of people have got to be the most disgusting, vicious, vitriolic and dishonest on this planet. Can't we get rid of the Clintons and send them to the moon so they can forever drift in space.

jim, chicago, illinois   January 14th, 2008 2:30 pm ET

I was going to vote for Hillary, but not now. The way Bill Clinton has gone after Obama transcends the typical mudslinging that is a part of politics. It's shameful and embarassing.

Tom Davie   January 14th, 2008 2:30 pm ET

This is well placed political move by the clintons.

Its showing the obama campaign to be filled with RADICALS.

She puts something up that isnt really racist at all, but COULD BE TAKEN THAT WAY , and of course the obama people start FREAKING ABOUT IT.

And when the smoke clears, its obvious there was no real content there at all.

The 'fairy tale' thing wasnt about race in the slightest, and because the obama people FREAKED OUT about it, making them look childish and playing the race card, then all of a sudden the Clinton campaign goes ……..hmmmmmmm……….

lets see what else they will foolishly FREAK OUT about ………..

…Obama hasnt done the 'spadework'

…took a president to get it done

..fairy tale

Only true radicals of hate would really take offense to these comments. We all have certainly heard a LOT worse than this in our lives.

carolyn   January 14th, 2008 2:29 pm ET

This whole episode is disgusting!! The issues this country is facing is a whole lot more important than all this bickering back and forth! I think it is just a smoke screen to get peoples minds off what is really important! I also think the media is firing it up as much as possible–PLEASE LET IT REST! Carolyn

Diane   January 14th, 2008 2:28 pm ET

I have listened to the candidates and not the media hype – most of you should watch a little more c-span – they don't cut out the important stuff so you get everything in context. I am an independent although registered democrat and I have heard Obama's explanation of why he voted for the funding of the troops etc. You should all download his hour on Meet the Press, it is very telling. He did have to answer all the tough questions. He did this without attacking and degrading others. His campaign has not been attacking Hillary he has been correctin the distortions. This Sunday Hillary was on Meet the Press and answered many of the same questions, yet all she did was attack Obama. So I don't know where the idea that he or his campaign is after her. In my opinion it just shows how little folks are actually following the campaign and buying into the media hype (supported by Washington insiders) who would like nothing more than the Establishment candidates McCain and Clinton to run against each other so we can have more of the same for the next 8 years. Please start going beyond the headlines Americans and education yourselves on the whole picture. When Bill and Hill said that Obama wouldn't know how he would have voted for the War, do you know when he said that and the rest of the paragraph surrounding that comment? If you don't you are getting that distorted picture that "they" who don't want fundamental change are selling.

Blacks were not the only ones involved in the Civil Rights Movement Guys   January 14th, 2008 2:28 pm ET

Blacks were not the only ones involved in the civil rights movement. There were many, many others involved, including politicians.

Karen   January 14th, 2008 2:28 pm ET

The Obama camp is passing around a memo in South Carolina of the suspect comments coming out of everyone's mouths. You can go to Huffingtonpost.com to see the actual memo. Everyone is jumping on the race issue, not just the media. I wonder if any Obama supporters are going to read the memo.

Nick ny, ny   January 14th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

I am really disgusted the way things are going. I don't blame Clintons for it because Obama is equal participant. I have never heard such nasty compaign started out by Obama and now all Democrats are equally guilty. I don't want a president that cannot take criticism or else it will be considered as attack on entire race. Obama can't even keep the democrats together how the hell he is going work with republicians. He is just full of pluffs.
Obama needs to cut it off right now
Hillary needs to focus on issues.
Edward just need to keep his mouth shut.
Please all of you get your acts together.

I hope CNN you post this because you tend ignore sensible post and put up more of angry posts from obama supporters.

Desmond   January 14th, 2008 2:25 pm ET

Every words from Hillary, I believe and have no doubts about it. A former first Lady and former President Bill, their credibility should be able to put the country in the right economic path to growth.

As for Obama sounds to good to be true, smart, compose but still feel he play to the tune of the campaign rythm. He speaks well but performance wise not sure. Credibility also not sure.

I had heard Obama speech and find that time and again indrectly lashes out at his opponent. It seems like he is out to put someone in bad shape and project a great image of himself, quite a common practice but I don't like it.

As for Hillary, I like her speech talking about specific problems facing America, very much practical and realistic, until recent list of Obama attacks. I look at it as the truth must be revealed and put to right perspective.

For this I very much in favour of the Clinton to Win this campaign.

Good Luck America :)

angelina_ MN   January 14th, 2008 2:23 pm ET

I find this so sad and pathetic. Bill has to let it go, is he and Hllary running on the ballot? Again I have been saying it, this is about a family dynasty hungry for power at whatever cost. The attacks are low and beyond politics, simply what we do not want in a president. AT least she and Bill are showing their true colors. What sense of entitlement to have power a the cost of all people. Hopefully voters will see what is going on.
I am a Latina Woman and I fully support Obama he is the only one that can bring a diffent way to unite this divided country without having to bring the old politics.

Hillary: establishment, status quo, entitlement, and the abuse of power

we do not want or need that.

Jake, California   January 14th, 2008 2:22 pm ET

CNN Obama leads Clinton 2% in Nevada but you don't make this a headline…
Clinton leads Obama by 2% and you make it a headline…

NICE WORK…KEEP TRYING!

On the Democratic side, it’s a three-way race, with Barack Obama at 32 percent, Hillary Clinton at 30 percent, and John Edwards at 27 percent.

tracey   January 14th, 2008 2:21 pm ET

"Speeches are not all a President should be good at…how 'bout some exerience or substance" Baracks a liar. He couldn't wait to play the race card. After all he does'nt have much substance. All he can do is give great retorical, preacher style, speeches. In a debate or interview, he's a stuttering fool. What's he going to do as President, "speech people to death, until they get his point". When he's not giving a "speech" Barack is sooooo…ah…ah…look…ah…ah…ah…frustrating to listen to..ah!!!.

Virginia San Francisco, California   January 14th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

My Friends,
Please do not feed into the media frenzy.
Fact: Senator Obama did indirectly did attempt to compare himself to MLK and Pres. JFK mean who actually made change therefore "had' the experience. If it wasn't for these men including the signing of the "Civil Rights Act" by then Pres. Johnson that Senator Obama would not have dream.
Fact: Senator Hillary Clinton did say that without Pres. Johnson signing the "Civil Rights Act" it would not have become law even after the 2 best political inspirational speakers of the 20th century.
Fact: I disagree with "how" Michelle Obama or how ex-Pres. Clinton not necessary what they have to say as any good partner ought to be able to do.
ALL the candidates are part of the political system NO ONE is an outsider please folks don't be fooled. All is equal when running for the highest office in our country.

Elly   January 14th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

It's very sad that the democrats are continually engaging in mudslinging as the republican continue to debate about issues that are affecting the American Public like the economy. We all know Bill Clinton is an intelligent man, but his and his wife's latest utterances has left many like me baffled and begging for answers and wondering if this is the same Bill we used to know. He needs to realize that he should be the last person to attack OBAMA! Need i say More!!!!!!!
VOTE FOR A CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!! VOTE FOR OBAMA!!! OBAMA 08 and Beyond!!

paul   January 14th, 2008 2:17 pm ET

Wow, the Clintons couldn't do a better job of reminding the American people why they don't want to go through another one of their administrations. This pettiness and brutality needs to end. If Obama wins the nomination he will be a true giant killer.

Julie, Phila, PA   January 14th, 2008 2:17 pm ET

BET, Bob Johnson, has ruined a Generation of Minds. And, frankly, as an American, that disturbs me greatly and also disgusts me.

He has made a fortune by peddling smut, sex and violence on his TV station which has had a profoundly negative and damaging effect on our youth both in America and other countries which air his shows. It is fair to say that he did not care about the damaging effect this would have on our youth, as sexual and violent behavior has soared due to such explicit and visual behavior which could be calledX-rate, and which is frankly embarrsing. These programs are shown daily, all day, over and over again, programming our childrens' minds and behavior. It is obvious as a billionaire, acquiring money and wealth was more important to him than the ruination of a Generation of Minds. His shows have had a direct effect upon our youth for the last 20 years, an it will take years to undo the damage his shows, and shows like this have had on our youth.

In contrast, Obama has been meeting with rappers in an attempt to get them to put out positive messages for our children and to denounce the negative and demeaning messages to date. I believe his campaign and presidency of hope and all people coming together as a until will have a positive effect on a Generation of Minds.

I do not think many people of character are putting much store into what he is trying to insinuate about Senator Obama. And I wonder, has Senator Clinton sunk so low as to need him as her surrogate, a man who has ruined a Generation of Minds?

Duop Chak, Colorado   January 14th, 2008 2:16 pm ET

Mr. President, I thought “fairy tale” was very powerful enough to turn off the cable television. Therefore; it could be equal to thousands of attacks from Obama camp—what do you think Mr. President?

Citizen   January 14th, 2008 2:12 pm ET

Most comments I read tell me how uninformed people are. Next day after New Hampshire primary and clinton's win, it was Obama's campaign manager came on TV and claimed "bradley" effect in New Hampshire. In addition, three other African Americans did the same that I personally watched and heard.

If Obama was the real leader and "uniter and not a divider" that he claims to be, why did he not come out next day and take the high road. Do not forget – it was Hillary who took the high road in "Meet the Press."

We are watching the history being made – black nominee or woman nominee. But we need to really be objective and follow the facts.

Also, Obama writes about his drug use in his book that made him a lot of money so when BET founder talks about it what crime did he commit?

Wake up America.

Lisa, Central Florida   January 14th, 2008 2:12 pm ET

"He did it first!"

"Everybody else is doing it!"

"I'm telling!"

Candidates for President of the United States should really have progressed beyond these schoolyard shenanigans.

BMC   January 14th, 2008 2:11 pm ET

Let's all agree to disagree…..Let's start over…..fresh…..now let's get two things clear…..Obama is NOT ready for the presidency of these United States….Hilllary is….well that's about it…..do we all understand one another……hope so!!!

C.Lo   January 14th, 2008 2:10 pm ET

Eric from mass, please go get a life…

Tara   January 14th, 2008 2:10 pm ET

This is getting insane. The candidates are beating up on themselves. This is going to place another crazy conservative in the head office – where we do not need them. Why can these candidates try to work in a respectable manner? Ordeals like this make me almost ashamed to admit I am a democrat.

*Sigh* of disgust.

Richie, Grand Rapids, Michigan   January 14th, 2008 2:10 pm ET

I am not so much of a Obama supporter and I have been following keenly to see if he keeps his stance above race politics and unfortunately, so far he has, Mrs. Clinton was the first to declare herself the women candidate, others ignored, of which i though was a ploy to lure Obama to a trap to raise the race card, and when all this didn't work, she pushed the issue to him by claiming that his campaign was twisting her statement, she is learned, make clear and concise statements and no one will twist them.
For the Clintons to earn the trust and maybe a vote or two, let them tell who of Obama's staff said what, we have her on tape, at least tell us who said what. Former President Clinton is not only stooping too low, to the level of calling on radio shows to explain himself but he is undoing much of what h did for America leave alone to the African-American community, or maybe MAYBE you are showing us a side of you we didn't get a chance to know/see.
Obama on the other side don't waste your time responding to idle/looser talk, "when arguing with a fool you may not notice the difference"
And Finally for Mr. Johnson, what were you doing to help other people when Clinton was "for the blacks" and Obama was helping the poor and a civil rights attorney in the streets? I know you were busy, very busy profiting from the promotion of violence, drug use and the exploitation of young women in your network? Do you know that your network has done more de-service to the African-America people than any other known organization in modern history, most of the racial prejudice and the negative perception of the African-American is perpetuated by the picture you have been displaying. Shame on you. Just shut up and save your face.
I am still shopping for a candidate and I am not wasting my votes, it will got for the best and in the absence of that against the worst…Bravo CNN for the reporting, its excellent.

John New York, NY   January 14th, 2008 2:08 pm ET

Obama has a slight lead in Nevada and a big lead in South Carolina.

BTW- the polls in New Hampshire were actually accurate- they predicted Barack would get the same percentage that he actually did. Mrs. Clinton eked out a victory after last-minute undecided women voted for her out of sypmathy for the crying backlash. She can't rely on such luck each time.

Leslie, SC   January 14th, 2008 2:07 pm ET

I find it unbelievable that ANYTHING in Obama's past is being considered "off limits" after the way the press has dragged up every piece of Clinton laundry dating back more than TEN years.

Nothing is off limits when people are slinging mud at Hillary. Nobody complains when somebody throws the failures of her marriage out in public, but for some reason, everybody GASPS when somebody refers to Obama's admitted drug use or that his middle name is BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!! That stuff ALL matters if her dirtly laundry matters. Let's make sure the mud is spread evenly!

The forked tongue here is not with Hillary. Every politician in history has OBVIOUSLY done whatever it took to get elected, OR THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ELECTED!! Wake up people. If Obama had been scrutinized and demoralized the way she has been by this media community, he'd be back in Illinois right now with his tail tucked!

Kevin - ID   January 14th, 2008 2:07 pm ET

Pardon? nobody comes to Hillary Clinton's defense when she is criticized? In my experience about 60-75% of the comments I see on these pages is people saying how dare anyone criticize Clinton and how they are terrible people destroying the country for the audacity of running against her for the nomination.

Clinton's online following is almost as bad as the Ron Paul supporters making half the political message boards on the internet unusable from spam.

Bob - Florida, RFO   January 14th, 2008 2:07 pm ET

Attack the political issues, the policies or the detailed plans!

Neither Obama nor Edwards attacked Hilliary Clinton on the dirt issues! I hope Barack remains above this and continues to drive on.

Hello Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg are watching all of this because the Democratic party might just have a melt down!

On thing that the Clintons are doing and I am certainly pleased about is that they are doing the dirty work that the GOP would have done in the run up to the General Election.

Thanks Hillary for "blooding" our candidate! If he [Barack] wins the Democratic nomination he will win in the November!

Go Obama '08 & '12

heartlight 3, Maui, HI   January 14th, 2008 2:07 pm ET

I agree with Lauren and OC. I have not read anything other than a quote from the Clintons that said Obama's campaign was the ones reacting to the comments. It is sad that they all think mudslinging is what the public wants. It all seems so contrived to me. In order to perpetuate this, words are twisted and motivations manufactured, and mountains are made out of molehills. Who cares who said what about whom? The press seems to focus down so closely on trivial matters that everyone loses sight of the big picture. I would really hate to see this get so nasty that it destroys the possibility of whoever ends up as the nominee being able to use the tremendous talent in this field in their administration.

Janel, St. Paul, MN   January 14th, 2008 2:06 pm ET

I've followed both campaigns closely, and I am wondering what "list" our former president is referring to.

From my perspective, it is the Clinton campaign that began down the road of badmouthing Senator Obama. Obama supporters have been asked to be respective of other candidates, and I haven't heard the senator spew any personal attacks against Senator Clinton. If he has, then he, too, should apologize.

Our former president accomplished a great deal during his terms. It makes me very sad to see him so defensive and mean-speaking.

As for Senator Clinton, I admire much of her accomplishments, but I find her attitude very patronizing. I just will not be able to vote for her if she wins the Democratic nomination. I'm praying that Senator Obama will be our next president!

Kjackson227   January 14th, 2008 2:05 pm ET

Well, the smear tactics have begun. I never hear Sen. Obama's campaign throwing nasty attacks-only the Clintons. This is no way to win elections, Sen. Clinton. If your record and experience speaks for themselves, then stooping to this new low is unnecessary, don't you think? EVERYONE stick to the dang issues, okay??? There's no way I'm ever voting for another Clinton. If Clinton and Huckabee win the nominations, I'm voting for Huckabee.

Deborah   January 14th, 2008 2:03 pm ET

Bob & Ray, I agree with you all, people are quick to always judge Sen. Clinton for attacking back, but they don't stop to listen to why she gets defensive, "Enough is Enough" and it's only right for her husband (regardless of the fact that he was once our President) come to her defense, that's what husbands should do, and he is in his right to do so, especially when it's a public issue. So people, stop the attacks and be fair on your judgement. Fair is Fair.

Eric in Massachusetts   January 14th, 2008 2:02 pm ET

Hillary will win the nomination. Barack Hussein Obama (I refer to him as Nobama), will self destruct. From his wife Michelle's comments of "Ain't no blacks in Iowa" to his Friends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, the NOBAMA campaign will not make it past Super Tuesday. The American people will have had enough. Enough is enough. It's clear that Barack cannot stand to play on an even field. It takes true leadership to perservere in the face of difficulty. Hillary has proven she can do that. Obama, not so much.

VOTE HILLARY 08!

Lisa   January 14th, 2008 2:01 pm ET

Hillary – are you having fun yet? Is this what you meant by now the fun begins? You do not deserve to represent our country, or New York. Please go away.

Lisa   January 14th, 2008 2:00 pm ET

Is an attack an attack if nobody heard it?

Marcia   January 14th, 2008 1:59 pm ET

Hillary knew exactly what she was doing. I watched her with my son as we watched her at a rally in New Hamsphire. We were watching CSPAN, not Fox News, when she made that remark about the impact (or little impact as she implied) Dr. King had in making the Civil Rights a reality. She was trying to down play Senator Obama's way of inspiring those who attends his rallys with his message of hope. She then went on to say that though Dr. King was a great American, he spoke words of hope as well. "It wasn't Dr. King that made Civil Rights a reality, it took a president to make civil rights a reailty. Okay, she's right about that part. Dr. King wasn't the president, so Lyndon Johnson had the power to take a pen and sign his name to the bill. But, let's not try to rewrite history. It was Dr. King and others who crafted the bill. And it was Dr. King who had to strongly encorage President Johnson to sign it because it was the right thing, to do. But, lets think about that time. The republicans were strongly opposed to the signing of that bill into law, especially Barry Goldwater who was running against Johnson. And wasn't Miss Hillary, a Goldwater girl at that time? So, please if she doesn't get why African-Amercians are upset and offended by her remarks, it just shows how she can dismiss African-Americans as people who are affected by insensitive remarks. She was and is absolutely wrong. And she is the one who owes all who fought for civil rights during those time an apolgy, not Obama's campaign to her.

HOW IN THE WORLD?   January 14th, 2008 1:56 pm ET

HOW IN THE WORLD IS SAYING THAT A PRESIDENT BROUGHT LEGISLATION TO FRUITION SPARKED BY THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT IN ANY WAY "ILL-ADVISED?"

HOW STUPID DOES OBAMA THINK PEOPLE ARE?

OF COURSE IT TOOK A PRESIDENT TO PASS LEGISLATION!!! AN ACTIVISM, A MOVEMENT IS ONE PART – ENACTING AND UNDERSTANDING HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS ENOUGH TO MAKE IT LAW IS ANOTHER AND THEY BOTH WORK TOGETHER!!!

SHE SAID THAT MARTIN LUTHER KING'S DREAM BEGAN TO BE REALIZED BY THE SIGNING OF LEGISLATION!

IT IS NOT CLINTON WHO IS SLINGING MUD IT IS OBAMA.

I AGREE WITH JOHNSON – OBAMA MUST THINK WE ARE PRETTY STUPID!!!!

Brian Des Moines, IA   January 14th, 2008 1:56 pm ET

I find it funny that people aren't looking at Obama's voting record, the fact that he attacks Hillary, isn't providing any change, is a polarizing figure (look what is happening…it takes two people/two sides to have a polarization), and with the help of the media is stoking the flames of all of this!! What are the Clinton's to do? Give in? If they did that all of you would be stating she doesn't want to be President that much, or what would she do if things got rough with Iran just give up? Give me a break!!

Bill Clinton was talking about Obama's stance on the Iraq war as the fairy tale, the media has blown that out of paportion by only showing a part of the speech and only providing sound bites….IF OBAMA WAS A REAL AGENT OF CHANGE, AND REALLY WANTED TO CHANGE THE WAY POLITICS ARE RUN, MAYBE JUST MAYBE HE WOULD END THIS BY STATING THE TRUTH (THAT PRESIDENT CLINTON WAS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR)….Don't be fooled that this isn't helping him out, and he likes it….both of them do!!

By all of this going on yes it is splitting the party up now…but it is producing a two person race (Obama and Clinton) they are getting all of the media's attention (mostly bad but they have time to change it) but look at what is happening to Edwards, he has to talk about this and take sides to get any attention!!

What needs to happen is that once this is all done, whichever candidate wins the nomination should be endorsed the other and they (the one not getting the nomination) should really campaign for them (not go into hiding) THAT WOULD BE REAL CHANGE ON BOTH SIDES!!!!

Chris, Middletown, CT   January 14th, 2008 1:56 pm ET

Not part of a "planned" strategy?? Clinton doesn't take an unplanned bathroom break….Hillidiots…remember she planted the person in the audience to ask a question???

And you dopes will vote for her….baffling

Deborah   January 14th, 2008 1:52 pm ET

It's ashame people continue to attack Hillary Clinton's candidacy based on Bill Clinton, and don't even give her the benefit of the doubt for her intellegence and experience. She continues to be rediculed for being powerful and so many people are being unfair. Give her a chance, she's no phony, she's the real thing, it's tough being a woman battling an all men campaign of competitors, than, on top of that she's our ex-president's wife, and now a senator. Hear her out, don't go by what you "think" you know. Everyone's a critic, during political elections, but be fair for Gods sake, be fair. She's got mine and my families vote.

LB, Franklin Lakes, NJ   January 14th, 2008 1:52 pm ET

It seems that once again the Democratic Party is revving up to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Childish bickering like this will make even the Republicans look good.

Ray   January 14th, 2008 1:52 pm ET

So Hillary defends herself after months of everyone going after her and she's the villan?

And why does Obama get a free pass about his drug use? Why cant that be brought up? He did them right? He wrote about it in his book right? Why does he think or his "fans" think we can talk about it? Like Obama would say….
" YES WE CAN!"

Ray   January 14th, 2008 1:51 pm ET

So Hillary defends herself after months of everyone going after her and she's the villan?

And why does Obama get a free pass about his drug use? Why cant that be brought up? He did them right? He wrote about it in his book right? Why does he think or his "fans" think we can talk about it? Like Obama would say….
" YES WE CAN!"

Megan   January 14th, 2008 1:51 pm ET

The Clintons are obviously not as smart as they think. They are about to lose their core constituents if they keep up these ridiculous attacks. Does she not know that even if she wins the nomination, she'll need the support of black voters to win the general election.

Brandon   January 14th, 2008 1:47 pm ET

All I can say is: wow. I have never seen the Clinton camp looking so desperate. Hill needs to put Bill back on the shelf before he ruins her chances further. Am I mistaken, or was Hillary crying about how hard all the attacks have been etc.? Is that what Bill means when he said that she "didn't complain" about the "attacks"? Hmmm…

Charlene in VA   January 14th, 2008 1:44 pm ET

If Bill did not come out to defend his wife I would think him less than a man to me bill Clinton is just like any other man defending his significant other .
To the folks in S.C. who watching ! think your self! if you didn’t hear either of the opponents say it from their own lips don’t buy into to the media trying to keep this going .

Amy   January 14th, 2008 1:44 pm ET

If we as Democrats continue the infighting, we will hand the presidency to the Republicans on a silver platter…Yikes…

P,NJ   January 14th, 2008 1:41 pm ET

The Clinton's are sickening, its bringing back bad memmories. They will do anything to win. They speak with forked tongue as usual. And Bill is always hollaring at the poor press, when it is Bill who started most of it. After all their dirty tricks, I will never vote for the Clintons. Its the same old thing……

Pat PEI Canada   January 14th, 2008 1:40 pm ET

It's seems these comments are a bit lopsided.

When attacks were made on Hillary nobody was defending her
against the mud slinging machines. Now that she's defending herself
everyone is attacking her because she is human and wants to clarify the
attacks made against her. Wouldn't you want to if someone made disingenious
remarks regarding the truth of your statements and your stand on issues?

She is presently leading in the polls so I guess she has to be doing something right!

And it is true that Obama was attacking Hillary through the media. Although I also believe that the media likes to play up these attacks. As that's what makes
titilating campaign coverage and ups the ratings.

Welcome to our World. If you don't like Freedom of Speech move to Iraq or Iran.
Where your military and ours are fighting the battle daily and putting their lives on the line so you and I can have the freedom to voice our opinions openly without being imprisoned, stoned to death, beaten to death or beheaded.

Dee, Canada   January 14th, 2008 1:40 pm ET

The rest of the world is sitrting back it in their comfy couches with their feet propped up, nibbling on popcorn and watching the best show in town: it has someting for everyone… the tearful high drama of the soap opera world; the nervous expectancy of Lets Make a Deal; the high stakes gambling of Reno; the intrigue, blood and guts of CSI; the boring melodrama of professional golf; the cheating, phoniness and deception of Reality TV, dirty, painfull and cheapshot attacks of All Star Wrestling..it's the US Presidential Elections! Keep up the good work folks…we are being thoroughly entertained!!

Amy   January 14th, 2008 1:39 pm ET

If we as Democrats keep infighting, we are going to hand the presidency to the Republicans on a silver platter…Stop the madness.

Katia   January 14th, 2008 1:39 pm ET

Wow!! I was considering voting for Hillary, but after the way she & her husband are acting I thought better!!! We don't need anymore hatemongers in the White house. I'm going with Obama.

Ray   January 14th, 2008 1:35 pm ET

Its OK for the guys to attack her, but if she does it back then its all wrong! Sad!!

kamenwati   January 14th, 2008 1:33 pm ET

Bill is forecasting how he will behave if Hillary won the election (I personally don't believe she'll be the nominee). Just think of all the grandstanding we would have do endure with another Clinton in the White House. Clinton fatigue anyone?

WAKE UP DEMS   January 14th, 2008 1:33 pm ET

This is amazing. Why are people SO offended when Obama is attacked or criticized? He's a politician, right? I thought his tatic of "You Can't Attack Me Because I'm the Candidate of Hope" was laughable until I realized that you all buy in to it! I hate to break it to you but what Clinton is saying is just the tip of the iceberg on Barak. Apparently she really is too nice to use all the dirt out there on this guy. Most of it unrelated to his ability to govern but sordid none the less. She won't use it but the Republicans will. They're crossing over to caucus for this guy because he'll be FAR easier to beat. And all because Dems refused to properly vet him and attack anyone who tried.

go 'bama   January 14th, 2008 1:32 pm ET

Hillary Clinton is turning more and more to the routine of the pathetic prehistoric female who has to shed tears and wait for her husband to come to the rescue and save her in order to win votes. Hillary can't sell us the ballsy high-powered liberated female one day and the teary-eyed damsel in distress the next if she wants to have any credibility. this just shows she is all about image, in a theatrical performance to win the presidency, but then who knows how she will 'act' when it is no longer for show!

Jewell357   January 14th, 2008 1:31 pm ET

I guess Hillary needs her husband to fight her battles…

Paul N. Cedar Rapids,Iowa   January 14th, 2008 1:29 pm ET

Who is running for President,Hillary or Bill for a third(illegal) term.?

Tom Davie   January 14th, 2008 1:29 pm ET

Bill and Hillary are very seasoned politcal people.

Whenever a candidate champions change through youth, she or he will draw to them young voters who have great intentions (often without a real knowledge of how to the system works though ).

Unfortunately, the 'youth change' candidate will ALSO draw the RADICAL element . Seedy people whom are discontent with everything. They tend to swing wildly with hatred.

The Clintons ability to draw IRE for everything they say paints the Obama camp as reactionary RADICALS.

Obama himself is no radical, and is carefull to insists he isnt reacting. However, people who claim him ARE easy to freak out over everything and anything.

Ergo is tarnishing his campaign.

Dave   January 14th, 2008 1:26 pm ET

I usually like Bill Clinton, but I'm starting to really get irritated with his statements over the past week or two. He needs to find something else to do and shut the hell up, because he's not helping Hilary in the least. In fact, his statements are starting to make me think I might just vote for McCain if it turns into a Hillary/McCain contest… just because I don't think tactics like the Clinton campaign is stooping too (mostly on Bill's part) should be rewarded.

Jim, Chicago   January 14th, 2008 1:22 pm ET

Most people with 35 years of experience are thinking about retirement !!!

Bob   January 14th, 2008 1:20 pm ET

Lets go back to the root of the tree. Sen. Obama/Edwards started off attaching Sen Clinton, over three months ago. Why someone did not speak out during said attach. The way I see it Sen. Clinton, should attach back, due to they was the one to start this actions. However, all involved should leave this behind and move on.

Courtney S.   January 14th, 2008 1:20 pm ET

This is sick and sad. I'm so upset and disapointed at the Clintons and even at Obama for commenting on her crazy mess. The Clinton blame game is aweful, and Johnson….as a black woman I am insulted that the founder of BET (that isn't really too uplifting to the struggle of real blacks..with the aweful video's….grrr)

STOP it all of you STOP! In the last week I have been made sick by this. Thanks Billary! You are ensuring the Republican's will win because all will be sick of the Dem's and this fighting… It just goes to show the Clinton's care only about THEIR legacy….and will bring the party and other down with them to win.

AJ, IL   January 14th, 2008 1:17 pm ET

This is unfortunate for the Democratic Party to a have popular US president dragging himself through the mud to see if he can get anybody else dirty. Bill Clinton has been on the Al Sharpton Show and now the Roland Martin Show in an attempt to quell any resentment in the Black community coming off of Hillary's ill-advised remarks. So instead of Hillary being these black radio shows, she sends Bill Clinton. Wake up people! This whole race baiting issue has been raised by the Clintons. Hillary could have made a simple apology for offending some folks with her remarks, and added a little elaboration to her apology and be done with it.

Of course, Hillary never has apologized to her anti-war Democratic base for supporting the Iraq war, so why would I expect her to apologize about her MLK and LBJ remarks?

AJ   January 14th, 2008 1:17 pm ET

Bill is at it again. I use have the deepest respect for Bill but now he is crossing the line. How can a former President act this way. Hillary needs to fight her own battles. Hillary is just throwing tons of mud at Barack Obama and this type of politics needs to stop. I hope Obama can stay above the fray with this one.

Elisabeth   January 14th, 2008 1:17 pm ET

Until now I admired former president Bill Clinton to the hilt. However, his recent whinnings with regard to Sen. Obama have disenchanted me. Sorry Hillary, my husband and I are going for Obama during the Nevada Caucus, come January 19. I usually tend to lean towards the little guy and not those who demonstrate a sense of entitlement as a result of their pedigree or social status. Mr. President, don't forget your own history!

Amazed   January 14th, 2008 1:15 pm ET

This is just crazy…………I hope Obama just keep doing what he is doing and not get involved with this foolishness that the Clintons are trying to bait him into.

James Brown ( Independent )   January 14th, 2008 1:15 pm ET

Clinton's just keep digging a deeper hole , but at least there honestly showing the country what kind of people they really are. They have convinced this Independent to cast my vote for anyone else.

OBAMA 08

bean counter, Motor City, MI   January 14th, 2008 1:13 pm ET

The list is somewhat odd. Obama is trying to run his campaign as a "new breed of politics – being nice. " However it does seem that he is negative as much as the others. So I think there is some reason to list the attacks. If Hillary can point out that Obama is just another DC insider, the better her "experience" argument works.

Ann   January 14th, 2008 1:12 pm ET

I totally agree with Bill Clinton. Hillary tried to stay on issues in this campaign. Obama couldn't keep it and started to insert race aspects in his speeches by daring to compare to MLK. Hillary just pointed that Obama has a long way to go to do what MLK did and that MLK understood better the political aspects of his movement and the need to transform it into a law. And this was clearly President Johnson's contribution which shouldn't be denied. Hillary presented objective facts, Obama is trying to use a sensitive historical event to gain political points. He is not MLK!

By pretending non-stop to go against Washington when he is an INSIDER there, its hypocritical. Starting attacks on Bill and Hillary in relation to the black community is an outrage. I don;t know of many white politicians who were so dedicated to this cause. How can Obama dare? Plus there are real issues to discuss in this campaign, so they should all settle this story somehow.

Cynthia, Indianapolis   January 14th, 2008 1:11 pm ET

Unfortunately, the barage of insults and attacks are undermining the message of candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

Fox News is truly enjoying this…as they have declared today,
"RACE has officially entered into the Democratic politics. " This is great entertainment for Fox (and the Republicans) and it is terrible for America.

Just as Russia declared that the United States would become a communist nation as a result of its own doing…the Democratic party will implode at its own hand.

Americans, both Republican and Democrats, in own ignorance – will still allow race to rule in every scenario resulting in a cutting off of the nose to spite the face.

Barack, while I haven't witnessed any formal response from his campaign, I hope will continue to conduct himself with intelligence and diplomacy and keep his head above the fray.

The Al Sharptons, Bob Johnsons, Bill Clintons, etc. and other so-called "leaders" of today – need to stay out of this – its truly petty, demeaning and ignorant.

Bob Johnson, Mr. BET sell-out – cleanup your own house (with that garbage on TV which was allowed to exploit our youth) before you get on any stage to demean anyone.

Sharpton, with all due respect, you have no place in this race. You had your turn and your anger and radicalism is not needed . Mr. Obama has the credentials and capability to defend himself. Please don't interfere.

Mr Clinton, this is not your race, it's Hillary's. Please stay out of it.

Democrats – we're smarter than this…let's stop.

Shelly-Ohio   January 14th, 2008 1:10 pm ET

I'd like to see his list of 80 attacks…

So far, Obama has stayed above the fray and has barely even commented on this nonsense.

And for those of you sick of the mudslinging from BOTH sides, I ask you…What mud has Obama or his campaign slung? It seems pretty one-sided to me…

The G; Henderson NV   January 14th, 2008 1:10 pm ET

I'm embarrassed for the former President and First Lady. Anybody who has been watching this deal knows Obama has been taking a beating from them since he began to climb in the polls. The truly pathetic aspect is that the attacks have had no impact because everybody can see their desperation. the Clinton's have now even stooped to Bush's level by having surrogates file lawsuits to stop the on-site caucusses at Strip hotels since Obama won the endorsement of the Culinary Union.
I'm ashamed that a former Democratic President (for whom I voted) would repeatedly stand up and attack his wife's political rival over and over and over again. Is there any wonder why over half the country won't vote for the woman?

Democrats: if you want to win this one, you must vote for Obama or Edwards. A vote for Clinton is a guarantee of, at best, four more years of this kind of disgusting politics, or, at worst, another Republican in the White House and a nearly unanimous Supreme Court.

Nick   January 14th, 2008 1:09 pm ET

This is why the country needs CHANGE not more of the same. This dirty politics from the Clintons just goes to confirm that she cannot run on her issues and policies because they are not that different form OBAMA"s. But there is a clear difference that the country needs a President who is a straight shooter, Listens to the average person with a focus of unity not division. OBAMA comes to his campaign rally's with the FOCUS to inspire, bring hope, vision and a plan to change the course of American politics from the "Status quo" . But the Clintons come out to cut their opponents right at your knees with these vicious attacks. They forget that they are in the same DEMOCRATIC Party. What a Shame. If you are hurt by this behavior please let your voice be heard by going out and voting in the Primaries for OBAMA.

Bob - Florida, RFO   January 14th, 2008 1:06 pm ET

Bill please publish the list you have compiled!

We would all love to see it.

ABC '08

mrland   January 14th, 2008 1:06 pm ET

Please…enough…no more Clintons, no more Bushes, and no more from those who support their politics. It's a new era, and we need smart, TRUTHFUL leaders with far more foresight than we've experienced the past 20 years. Go Obama or Edwards!

Carla   January 14th, 2008 1:04 pm ET

I'm convinced the media has made the race card an issue. I do believe it tears down progress that we as Americans have made. I teach grade school . You don't get to act like this. You have to go to the principal's office. The media needs to back off the issue of race. This is not the issue at all. Someone is mad because someone is getting ahead.
Let's get beyond this. This hurts all of us. Someone step up and do the right thing. It must start with the media to shut this down.

Adjetey   January 14th, 2008 1:04 pm ET

Obama has been trying to so hard to focus on his campaign but like a thorn caught in a shirt, the Clinton's wont let him be until he has turned around to sling something at them.

He remind sme so much of an African; a continent that is robbed, cheated, threatened and stolen from and yet they smile, share and give … sometimes a man has to step up. Obama we know you are nice but we will see you as a nicer person if you stand against some of the issues Hillary has been raising against you. We trust you enough to know you will do it as you should.

Enough is enough.

Ca Native   January 14th, 2008 1:02 pm ET

NOTICE THE PATTERN???

Just like New Hampshire – Bill goes on the attack against Obama… I expect Hillary will shed a few tears today. That's the Clinton "Voice" now.

O   January 14th, 2008 1:02 pm ET

I am not sure what is so funny about what Mr. Clinton is saying…what is he giggling about? In one breath you call Obama's policies a fairy tale in the next you say you have praise for him…what the heck is that.

Please listen to him when he says that he has a list of 80 attacks from the Obama campaign. You can tell he is lying because he starts out wanting to say 90 instead of 80. Just listen.

This guy is a liar and a smooth talker. As a statesman he should be on the sidelines not constantly bickering with candidates. Take a note form the Elder bush that never interjected during his son's run.

As an independent looking closely at all this, I absolutely resent this whole Clinton charade and I am tired of Hillary running on Bill's resume. When I ask her supporters what exactly Hilary has done in her so called 35 years of service, nobody can ever come up with anythng except that at least Bill will be there to help her.

There is a reason why the constitution does not allow for a 3rd term and that is what this is. a third term for, Mr. "I did not have sexual relations…". he is a liar and he does it very easily too. Some one ask for this list of 80 Obama attacks.

kevin   January 14th, 2008 1:02 pm ET

Its good to see that both the Clinton and Obama supporters agree on one thing that John Mccain is their second choice. Vote for John Mccain'08.

Thomas, St. Petersburg, FL   January 14th, 2008 1:01 pm ET

Let's presume that either Hillary or Obama is elected the 44th president of the United States (please, God, no!).

Based on the absurd attacks between these 2 candidates, in my view (as a European-American man), ANY political dissent (with a presidential administration of either of the aforementioned) would be IMPOSSIBLE without my reputation being DESTROYED since I would automatically be labelled a RACIST or a SEXIST.

How could we possibly have legitimate political debate and dissent under such difficult conditions?

drz, San Francisco, CA   January 14th, 2008 1:00 pm ET

It's sad to see Bill Clinton as the mud slinger for Hillary. Bad Bill. Let's talk about issues – not he said, she said fluff.

Rus, Whitburn   January 14th, 2008 12:59 pm ET

Starting to feel quite uncomfortable about this Clinton double act – Bill Clinton can't run again – he's had his two terms. What should we expect if Hillary wins?

lcb   January 14th, 2008 12:57 pm ET

Bottom-line…Obama used drugs. Politics is a dirty business. If you whine during the primaries you are going to be a worthless president, so get over it. Obama's people keep getting offended over everything, that is turning me off. By the way, Hillary is right, MLK marched for change, fought for it, died for it, but it took a president to make sure MLK 's ideas became law. Please, pick up a history book and read all about. Lets get on with the issues that affect us now in 2008! Obama better make sure his people do not turn this into a racial campaign, because as an independent I am already turned off…

Wufpakmom, Illinois   January 14th, 2008 12:57 pm ET

Bill, "spinning" for Hillary is just adding fuel to the fire. You are the greatest liability in her campaign at this point. I've been paying very close attention to both campaigns, and I have yet to hear Sen. Obama make a single negative attack on anything but Hillary's voting record on the war. That's not an attack, that's distinguishing himself from her. It appears that the Clinton's are following the Rove playbook to the letter and they should be very careful – this is going to come back to haunt them.

LinnieFB, Corona, CA   January 14th, 2008 12:56 pm ET

Perhaps Bill Clinton should instead compile a list of all of the times the African-American community defended him during numerous scandals and accusations — many of which turned out to be true!

We are so FED UP with this couple and can't wait for them to RETIRE from American politics so that our country can heal.

Christine   January 14th, 2008 12:54 pm ET

STOP, STOP, STOP! This is totally ludicrous and a waste of time. Very disappointing, but predictable. Couldn't be clearer to me that Obama is the candidate for change as long as he stays out of the pettiness.

Barbara   January 14th, 2008 12:53 pm ET

Poor Bill. To go from being the 'Leader of the Free World', to yap-dog for his wife must certainly be demeaning.

Joe   January 14th, 2008 12:52 pm ET

I want to hear Hillary respond to whatever= Bill Clinton is not a CANdiate- He is history- not bad just history- change does not include BIG BILL.

Nomad   January 14th, 2008 12:51 pm ET

Bill Clinton, please stifle!!!!!

Ted   January 14th, 2008 12:51 pm ET

Just who is running for office……. Bill or Hillary?? It's amazing, the guy can't stay out of the spotlight at any cost. Can you imagine if Hillary actually WON??? This is just the tip of the iceberg, and the White House would be more divisive than ever. We are better off with a Republican president, and a Dem majority in the Congress for balances. (unless it was Biden, who I have some faith in) Obama needs to stay in the Senate, as does Hillary. I actually like some of Hillary's votes, and this way Obama can just actually vote!! As a Republican, nobody does much for me either, but we are better off with McCain.

Eric, MD   January 14th, 2008 12:49 pm ET

I guess the politics of hope should be reconsidered; the politics of dope is more like it….

PAUL   January 14th, 2008 12:48 pm ET

WHY DO WE NEVER SEE OBAMA'S DAUGHTER AND WHY IS HIS WIFE NEVER INTERVIEWED? WHY DOES HIS WIFE NEVER INTRODUCE HIM? IS THIS A STRATEGY OF THE OBAMA CAMP TO KEEP HIS FAMILY OUT OF THE LIMELIGHT? IT APPEARS SO AND I WONDER WHY. I ALSO WONDER VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THIS. DO HIS STRATEGISTS BELIEVE THEY HURT HIM? I THINK SO…MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE SHE COULD WIN A CONDALEEZA RICE LOOK A LIKE CONTEST…….

Jackie   January 14th, 2008 12:48 pm ET

Come on people. BOTH camps are playin politics. Can you blame them, really?

We saw Kerry get crushed in the general for not playing and I don't think Clinton or Obama want that to happen to them.

On issues though, I gotta go with Hillary.

Cathy   January 14th, 2008 12:47 pm ET

CLINTONS LEAVE OBAMA ALONE. STOP THE CLINTON BULLY MACHINE.

vwcat   January 14th, 2008 12:47 pm ET

That list of attacks by the Obama campaign is probably in the same realm as
"I did not have sexual…" or "I was against the Iraq war.."
or any number of imaginary things in Bill's head.
For over a year i keep reading democrats worried about the republican attack machine. I think they need to look at the Clinton one first. They are far more vicious than the republicans could ever think to be – and I'm a democrat.
The Clintons are becoming a total embarrassment to the party and I hope my fellow democrats reject them and their nasty 90s style politics.

Vince Los Angeles, CA   January 14th, 2008 12:47 pm ET

You Hillary lovers are the epitome of irrationality and ignorance. I will NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton…I don't care WHO she is running against. Furthermore, if she is elected as the Democratic nominee, I will IMMEDIATELY change my party to Independant. Hillary's campaign stands for everything I'm against. I think it's DISGUSTING that you people are so willing to give him a pass after he said he "didn't inhale" when he was running and the blatant LIES both of them have told over the years. For all of you to attack Obama which such hatred…….I'm done….I no longer want to be a DemocRAT

Kathy   January 14th, 2008 12:47 pm ET

I am not a Hillary supporter, nor am I an Obama supporter at this time, but in Hillary's defense – after John Kerry rolled over and did NOT fight for himself when he was shamelessly "swift-boated", I'm happy that Hillary isn't turning the other cheek. She must defend herself against all attacks – and she is. If this were a man defending himself, they would think he was strong.

Having said that, Folks – let's split the baby and vote for John Edwards!!

Jack K.   January 14th, 2008 12:46 pm ET

I wonder what she'll do in Nevada.

She'll probably describe how tough it is to cook dinner and mop the floors and bake cookies every night–before they can catch up on their emails–naturally with a tearful expression to grab at the heart strings!!

Of course…this lady has prepared a meal for herself since she lived in Arkansas!

Mauri   January 14th, 2008 12:46 pm ET

How on earth do Barak Obama and John Edwards expect to get elected to anything concerning leadership of this country. I cannot believe what is coming out of their mouths, but thank goodness they're saying it now instead of waiting until they get into a leadership role.

Edwards: Criticises Clinton for putting down Dr.King's civil rights accomplishments compared to some "Washington politician!" Is he kidding???? No person, President or otherwise, EVER did more to promote racial equality than President Johnson did. JFKennedy couldn't do it, but Johnson – with his EXPERTISE and experience of moving bills through the congress –got it done. I hope you both note the word "EXPERIENCE." This followed Dr. King's imploring him to do it shortly after Kennedy's death.

I would be ASHAMED if I were John Edwards to sink that low. Also, for Mr. Edwards' edification — it was Lyndon Johnson, working with President Roosevelt, that delivered programs to the people most harshly affected by the depression. And it is John Edwards who talks about what he will do for the middle class when he is president. We pray to God that will never happen. Us middle-class citizens don't want him, thank you!

Obama: Fans the fires about Hillary's remarks concerning President Johnson and Martin Luther King. Give us a break! Our message to him would be to cancel all that hatred mess and tell us once and for all, what your plans are if you are elected.

I hope these two iknow that Hillary has many supporters in rewarding her for what she has already done for our country. WE'RE already sick of how they are putting her down — and be assured there are many, many more who are seeing through the dirty remarks of these two men. She will win!!!

John, Kansas City, MO   January 14th, 2008 12:45 pm ET

I would like to see the list of 80 attacks as well. As far as I can tell, Obama and Edwards are the two Democratic candidates doing the least mudslinging. And on the Repugnant-can side, the only one not slinging mud isn't even a Republican.

Obama/Paul in 2008!

Christian, Tampa FL   January 14th, 2008 12:44 pm ET

As if the Obama campaign couldn't compile a large list of the Clinton campaign attacks?

This back and forth is getting kind of dumb. I think Hillary needs to really ditch Bill; I don't like the idea of her relying on him to get elected. She needs to demonstrate her presidential prowess, not his.

And it is my experience that the Obama campaign has always been a bit more civil than the Clinton camp, so I think bill should be careful about what viper's nests he stirs up.

Ann   January 14th, 2008 12:42 pm ET

Oh yes "the issues", wouldn't that be nice. It is not the interests of the media to have anyone talk issues, it is controversy they want. What was the first thing Russert asked Hillary Clinton about? Why "the controversy" of course! Your best bet is to quit watching TV.

Terry   January 14th, 2008 12:42 pm ET

The media need to do a story about how polarizing the Bill and Hillary really is. They really strongly divide a lot of people and make the Republicans look good.

Scott, Royal Oak, MI   January 14th, 2008 12:40 pm ET

this is typical Clinton political strategy: FLING STUFF EVERYWHERE. Doesn't matter whether it's true or not. Sooner or later, if you fling enough garbage, some of the trash will stick in peoples minds.

I HATE THIS TYPE OF POLITICS!!!

FIRSTWOMAN4PRES   January 14th, 2008 12:38 pm ET

We are ready for the first female president? Hmmm… So let me get this straight SHE sticks her HER foot in her mouth, regarding the civil rights movement. When NOBODY was thinking or even talking about it, and she brings out the most deplorable black male figure Bob Johnson to defend her. Back in NH, when she thought she was in trouble of losing a truly sincere woman (who by the way voted for Obama) asked her how does she get up every morning "she cries" in order to get the sympathy vote. NOW she is having trouble in SC, and she brings out her HUSBAND BIG BILL to take on the the people that don't like her. So this is what we can expect if SHE is commander in chief? Cry, lie, and if that doesn't work send out finger wagging BIll saying you stop messing with MY woman!!! This is pathetic.

Scott, Royal Oak, MI   January 14th, 2008 12:38 pm ET

this is such a joke. what attacks, Bill? I'd love to see your list.

Oh and this whole "Obama is criticizing Hillary for her race-related comments thing"? NOT HAPPENING, DIDNT HAPPEN, WON'T HAPPEN. This is yet another fabrication of the Clinton campaign.

As Obama has recently said:
"For them somehow to suggest we're injecting race as a consequence of a statement she made that we haven't commented on is pretty hard to figure out,"

Chuck Beaver   January 14th, 2008 12:36 pm ET

This is how her whole Presidency would be. Her running to Bill to protect her.

Amy   January 14th, 2008 12:36 pm ET

I have seen enough to make my decision, I am not going back on it, I would never vote for Hillary Clinton if she were the only candidate. She is not genuine, her campaign is involved in the most dirty politics, and I don't want this to continue. I am firmly voting for Barack Obama. And if she does makes it to the general, I am voting Republican.

Terry   January 14th, 2008 12:34 pm ET

Wow!

The Clinton's really know how to make more people dislike them. They are so polarizing and this country really doesn't need them.

I'm an undecided indenpendent but I know for sure I will NOT vote for Hillary.

caywen   January 14th, 2008 12:34 pm ET

Clintons are underhanded and driven solely by the desire to live in the White House. Seriously, do you think America will elect Hillary Clinton? I don't think so – she firmly has a third of the population dead set against her, so she'll lose to any of the Republicans. She has game against other Democrats but has absolutely no game against he Republican attack machine which will make her campaign a joke.

Seriously, when a huge number of Democrats fail to vote this November because they can't stand their own candidate, the Republicans will crush us. And, honestly, even as a Democrat, I'd rather have Huckabee than Hillary in the White House.

David, Dallas Tx   January 14th, 2008 12:34 pm ET

Many believe Johnson made a veiled reference to Obama's drug use as a young man, though he insists that was not his intention.

"I think we have to take it at his word," the former president told Martin, adding that "nobody knew" what Johnson would say, and "it wasn't part of any planned strategy."

This is sad. At least the two previous times Clinton campaigners slung dirt, Hillary admitted it, even if she spun it as “unauthorized” afterwards.

But on occasion #3, they're trying a new tactic. "That? That wasn't dirt."

Three times is a pattern. You don't see any other campaigns repeatedly dishing out "unauthorized" dirt. Methinks I see a campaign slinging dirt while pretending to cleanliness.

Besides, even if Slick Willie is right, what does it say about a campaign that's criticizing someone's community service!?

SD   January 14th, 2008 12:33 pm ET

The Clinton campaign is the one perpetuating this ugliness, but yet again they take no responsibility for their divisive actions. It's ALWAYS somebody else's fault. They do not act in an adult manner, and instead choose to malign Senator Obama, a candidate who does behave and has behaved in exemplary fashion. By spewing their invective garbage they want to taint everyone around them in an effort to obscure the truth.

They have lied about Senator Obama's CLEAR and CONSISTENT oppostition to the Iraq war because Senator Clinton's record with regard to the war just doesn't bear up under close scrutiny, nor does former President Clinton's assertion that he was "against the Iraq war from the start." They made their choices but do not want to be held accountable, instead preferring to pass their MISJUDGEMENTS onto others rather than own up to them and move on.

Rather than promote her own agenda, Senator Clinton & the Clinton campaign prefer to invoke an appeal to people's worst instincts. After all, if you tell a lie long enough it becomes the truth…or so they hope. They make unfortunate comments that under the most innocent interpetation are insulting, and instead of simply saying they meant no disrespect, they pass the blame onto the Obama campaign, who stayed ABOVE the fray. After all why take responsibility for their choices when they can sully ( or attempt to at any rate) the reputation of a good man.

I keep thinking of a line I first heard in the Disney movie Mulan: No matter how much the wind howls, a mountain cannnot bow to it.

The Clinton campaign seems intent on trying to lessen Senator Obama's stature, but in the attempt, they merely shame themselves.

Noel Bynum, Winston Salem, NC   January 14th, 2008 12:33 pm ET

All of you have to realize that these politicians all lodge complaints against eachother, that's their job. But it is our job to evaluate these claims. The Clintons have done great things for America, we should be so lucky to have smart talented leader like Hillary for president. And they are not "mudslinging", Obama is. Obama has consistently tried to attack her personally, on a character basis, rather than arguing her about experience or public policy. Because he knows if he does that he will lose. Hillary has simply taken these attacks, and disproved them because they are dumb and illogical, and have little legitimate reasoning. The more people try to attack her the stronger she seems to become. People try to dehumanize her and make her out to be some awful despot but more and more Americans are seriously looking at her now and changing her mind. She has dedicated her life to public service, expanding health care, education, and women's rights. And has taken the brunt of much undeserved criticism because she has dramatically changed the role of women in the U.S.

Angela   January 14th, 2008 12:32 pm ET

I am really glad that Bill brought up a list of attacks the Obama campaign has been hurling. they have been subtly proding Hillary for a while now and she hasn't reacted until now.

Mr. Obama, this business of accusing the Clintons of race-baiting when there was clearly none, just shows you up to be using the same underhanded, tried and true tactics that all politicans have used in the past. nothing new. no change.

If you were smart you would have used this as an opportunity to show that you are different and are willing to show the Change you speak of so much and prove to your your opponents what real Change is.
You should have not reacted at all and that would have been real Change.
Instead, you feigned being insulted on behalf of Black voters just to push their buttons. And consequently stirred up this squable between you and Hillary.
You, at some point said you wouldn't run a negative campaign but you seem to be doing just that.

A swing and a miss Mr. Obama. Your showing yourself to be just another politican.
No Change here.

You and Hiilary better kiss and make up or we will have more Republicans wrecking this country.

ANTI-Republican/PRO American   January 14th, 2008 12:26 pm ET

Something about Obama really scares the Hillary camp, I don't know what it is, but something has them terrified.

"HOW DARE OBAMA TAKE HILLARY'S SELF GIVEN RIGHT TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE US"

Having said that, of the top three Democrats are head and shoulders above to anything (whatever the heck they are) on the Republican side.

PW Va   January 14th, 2008 12:25 pm ET

This is how "expereienced" politicians like Hillary muddy the waters by attempting to take the focus off of the REAL issues that every day Americans are needing solutions for.

Hillary and her husband started this whirlpool of lies and innuedos and then upped the ante by insinuating Bob Johnson (a disaster waiting to happen) into the mix and …voila…we now have the divisiveness that the Clinton's have prayed would happen going into SC., leaving the door wide open for the Republicans to win in November.

THANK YOU, Hillary and Bill…you have just single-handedly thrown the entire nation under the bus…in one fell swoop!!!

By the way…the "35 years of expereience" that Hillary is always touting ALMOST (she'd NEVER tell the real truth) add up to the 33 years she's been married to Bill. Is that the "expereience" you're referring to, Hillary??? Heaven help us, if it is!!!

Prayu   January 14th, 2008 12:24 pm ET

There isn't a thing the Republicans can do to Obama, that Hillary isn't attempting right now.

He's got more Republican cross-over votes than any other Democratic candidate, he's got a firm hold on the youth vote, and people in Washington genuinely like him.

And Bill Clinton is full of garbage as usual. Hillary doesn't complain about attacks? Please, she whines about getting picked on and has run the most negative campaign out of any of the Democratic candidates. Even in her "emotional" moment, she goes on the rabid attack against Obama.

I'll vote for either Edwards or Obama, but if Hillary wins the nomination… 3rd party for me.

Shawn, Cincinnati OH   January 14th, 2008 12:24 pm ET

As nice as an 'issues' primary would be going forward, the total difference in positions between the two when it comes down to it is nil with the exception of Hillary's war vote.

So, with no real advantage to them, the Clintons go back to what they do best.. destroy the opposition. Let's not forget who coined the term 'vast right winged conspiracy'.

The notion that Hillary will unite the nation, even if she does win, is laughable.

Sara   January 14th, 2008 12:22 pm ET

Please stick to the issues that concern us…we the people…character bashing is non-productive…there are more serious issues at hand…anything thing to win? It's the how you played the game!

McCain-in-4   January 14th, 2008 12:20 pm ET

Former President Clinton is usually more savy. If this were his campaign, he would never allow public finger pointing to this extreme to a fellow democrat – any such list would have been used to keep his campaign on the same level as his competitors. But now he looks to be a very agressive advocate for whom he wholeheartedly supports.

A good piece of advice – make up with Barack Obama with the same level of publicity, and keep it civil. If McCain makes it to the General Election, there cannot be any remembered animosity between an excellent P/VP pair and instead must be capable of working together.

Barack & Hillary cannot play this to win any all costs, because we have seen seven years of this attitude and it's sickening.

Rich In Seattle   January 14th, 2008 12:18 pm ET

This is just what we don't need, more of the same. A Clinton in the white house will be more of this, over and over again. Every day I dislike Hillary more and more and I like Obama more and more. At this rate Hillary and Bill will do more to make sure a Republican is in the white house than all of the GOP put together.

danielo   January 14th, 2008 12:18 pm ET

TIME TO MOVE ON CLINTONS…. AS MUCH AS YOU ARE ENJOYING THIS DIRTY GAME PLAYING IT HURTS AND DIVIDES THE DEMS AND MAKES PEOPLE APATHETIC TO POLITICS!!!

Phillip   January 14th, 2008 12:15 pm ET

Sorry, but I just don't see how Hillary's or Bill's comments diminish in any way the legacy of Dr. MLK. This uproar over the remarks sounds to me like the Obama people are just jumping on whatever they can to play the race card in SC.

No one is a saint here, but those comments on MLK were blown way out of proportion.

joli   January 14th, 2008 12:15 pm ET

This is ridiculous. Obama shouldnt be comparing himeslf to MLK or JFK these great leaders both spoke and accomplished a great deal. And its not rocket science that MLK wasnt alone in the civil rights movement when it came to change. So for Obama to say Clinton should step back because she attributes others to helping the movement as well… makes him look like and idiot. For that amount of stupidity OBama perhaps was preoccupied back when he should have been paying more attn in history class.

Obama is arrogant to even compare himself to the like of such men… because out side of just talking he hasnt accomplished anything leadership wise in moving this country forward…. and that… to me… is in itself an insult to the legacy of both JFK and MLK.

TiredofNonsense   January 14th, 2008 12:14 pm ET

Wah Wah, I'm tired of hearing the Clintons are being 'picked' on.

luis   January 14th, 2008 12:13 pm ET

I love this… THIS IS DEMOCRACY!!!! let them fight for my vote…. please people relax is just politics… WE ARE MAKING HISTORY IN THE DEMOCRATIC SITE!!!! ENJOY IT… They are playing for keeps and fighting for your vote…

Dessa   January 14th, 2008 12:13 pm ET

I'm so tired of hearing "so-&-so said this bad thing" or "so-&-so said that". For crying out loud, maybe the media should be paying a little more attention (I've noticed that since NH the only press coverage I'm really seeing is the Clinton's whining, and nothing really on Obama or Edwards) to the real issues instead of the hollywood-gossip-style complaining that they have been.

Bill put together a list? Good grief, could we get out of high school and return to the presidential campagin?

Marge Smith   January 14th, 2008 12:12 pm ET

I think that there is a black/white issue in the campaign. I don't think that America has moved that far away from racism that we are ready to elect a Black man as
president. Iowa, as we have seen. does not represent the U.S.
Senator Obama talks about uniting the country. He needs to approach the Black
radio stations and convey that message to them. They spend a lot of time dogging
out Hillary Clinton and then become very sensitive about any remarks she makes.
They take such issue with her remark about Martin Luther King. She is right.
The political process was needed to bring that" dream"to fruition. She is not taking
anything from Martin Luther King. She was just saying that the political process and the activist process go hand in hand. I realize there is a lot of excitement
in the Black community about the possibility of a Black president. They must realize
this is light stuff compared to what the Republicans have in store for Obama if
he gets the Democratic nomination.. Furthermore, were he to win the presidency,
is he going to be a president for Blacks only, or for the whole USA?
LET'S GET A GRIP AND TRY TO GET BACK TO THE ISSUES.

mike   January 14th, 2008 12:10 pm ET

It seems a stretch to me that many of the comments being deemed as "racial" are premeditated – it is a no win situation for any candidate. Some may be, and seem "clever" or "calculating" but can't be effective in the long term. All candidates want to be seen as the person who "brings us all together". The candidate who is able to stop this in it's tracks would deserve the nomination.

I believe the smart Obama campaign will attempt this because of his bargaining strategy. He is the bargainer, while the supporters of Obama are the challengers. It is the only way he can win. The challengers' anger can spur guilt and anger among whites. Sad, but true.

Hillary is also smart. I wouldn't count her out of this strategy. If she is smart, her message should emphasize a "community of faith" with unique individuals that are not individualistic – which can transcend any squabble, racial or not, as small – and also opens the door to forgiveness which is the only thing, in the end, that can truly bring us all together.

Nelson, Colorado Springs Co   January 14th, 2008 12:08 pm ET

When will this end. Two Clinton against one Obama. The Republicans don't need to launch any attack ads on the Democrats….They're doing a good enough job on each other.

SecondSage   January 14th, 2008 12:07 pm ET

It's getting worse and worse. The Clintons are dating themselves with their politics. Mud slinging was appropriate to combat Bush in '92. Bill, you should see yourself we forgave you for infedelity in the late 90's, that era of mud slinging should be over. People of today don't want someone perfect but of impeccible integrity.

Obama is not stepping down in the trences with you. He's not playing that game. He's not even trying to be a black president but just a president. He only referenced MLK as a homage to those before him, Hilary tried to spin it.

Message to the Clintons, Obama is flying all over you with the high road. Keep in mind however, he does have the right to defend himself.

Matt   January 14th, 2008 12:06 pm ET

I was a campus organizer in college for Bill Clinton's first campaign and always a big fan. The way he and Senator Clinton have behaved and conducted this campaign has certainly dulled my admiration for their work. They seem so craven on winning, that they forget that we all aren't required to vote for her if she is the eventual nominee. When you attack a candidate like Obama in the way they have been doing, it really makes it very challenging to support her in any way should she win.

Dave   January 14th, 2008 12:06 pm ET

Bill Clinton has completely destroyed any and all of his positive “legacy” that he had been working so hard to build up since leaving office. I’m so disgusted with both Clinton’s that if Hillary wins the Democratic nomination I’m voting for Bloomberg.

Wallace Young, Atlanta Georgia   January 14th, 2008 12:05 pm ET

I'm a 32 year old college educated, southern African American male and I feel compelled to comment on the latest political dust up between Senator Clinton and Senator Obama. I admire the Clintons for their service to this country. One of the reasons that they are so disliked by the right is their commitment to African American and minority issues. Their positions on affirmitive action, the economy, grants, student loans, planned parenting, taxes, and other issues are pro minority. Now, I understand that the Clintons are not perfect, but as an African American I appreciate the fact that have shown through their actions and deeds that they are for racial equality and fair treatment of all citizens.

With that said, I partially agree with Mr. Johnson comments regarding the Clintons committment to African Americans. I too, am insulted that some would think the Clintons are racist or somehow do not respect African Americans. "Actions speak louder than words."

In regards to Mr. Johnson's comments about Senator Obama's activities, I beleive he was referencing the Senator's drug use. While this may have been tacky, the fact remains he did not say it. Therefore, although he implied it, he did not say it.

I am one to speak my mind and the truth is, Senator Obama did use drugs and it might be an issue for the Republicans to use in the fall. "The truth is the light" Thus, Senator Obama and his supporters should acknowledge the fact that their candidate does have flaws. At the end of the day Senator Obama is still a human being.

Senator Clinton has taken a stand on issues that have not always been ppular,. She and President Clinton stood by African Americans when there was no "Senator Obama". I know my view is different from alot of fellow young African Americans, but I am not going to toss Senator Clinton and President Clinton aside for Senator Obama's likeability, charisma, and eloquence. I appreciate Senator Obama's positions and I feel he represents African Americans very well. He is a great representative for our people. No one can take that from him.

However, Senator Clinton and President Clinton have fought a good fight and I believe they will continue to fight the good fight for all Americans.

GO HILLARY GO!!!!!!!!!!!

Linda~n~Wisconsin   January 14th, 2008 12:04 pm ET

Why can't people stick to what the story is above that they are commenting on? Without knowing any of the above players in person, I don't feel I can comment honestly on their personalities. Without seeing the entire speech that was given on Sunday I can not comment on what was said. Without hearing the entire conversation that was given on the radio show today, I can not comment on what was said.

Are you sure you are just not getting the pundits and media's take on these issues? These people are just giving comments that are taken out of content to make headlines, AKA ratings, and money.

We all want a change in our country, a change that any new president will bring.

Philippa Durst   January 14th, 2008 12:03 pm ET

Meanwhile Mrs Clinton's husband seems campaigning more than she does, and for a Billary presidency. I would prefer that he wouldn't get involved at all, so the voters at least can feel or hope, that she is strong and can do the job and make out what she herself has to say, and concentrate on her. Bill Clinton doesn't help her that much after all, because of his well known charisma that makes people feel, if it wasn't for him, she wouldn't be able to reach the so much cherished White House.

Leo, TX   January 14th, 2008 12:02 pm ET

C'mon, Bill. You come across as a big whiner. If you and Hillary hadn't been involved in the past in so much seedy behavior, there wouldn't be any ammunition for your adversaries to use. Truth be told, YOU are your own worst enemy.

john williams san diego, ca.   January 14th, 2008 12:00 pm ET

Bubba, quit promoting Hillary. You'll get enough 'free time' after she returns to the Senate.

Gabe Polson, The Woodlands,TX   January 14th, 2008 11:58 am ET

If Obama is going to do this much whining during the Democratic primary just imagine how much he will complain when he has to go up against a more seasoned republican. He does not have the strength to win a general election. He is like the kid in the sandbox who won't share his toys. He proves his own point that it takes a leader to win the White house. Yes, his campaign,not his race, is a FAIRYTALE!!!!

He is trying to split up the Democratic party. How will he unite the country when he is destroying his own party.

Katy Hill Prescott Az.   January 14th, 2008 11:57 am ET

The Clintons, who seem to be running for office as a team, are becoming exceedingly ugly in their attacks and their efforts to unify a divided country while they divide the Democratic party are going down the tubes. If they don't stop they will assure a Republican win in November.

Jason, Wilmette, IL   January 14th, 2008 11:57 am ET

anonymous wrote:

"I'm a democrat and would vote for McCain over Hillary in a heartbeat, if it it weren't for one thing. . . .The Supreme Court."

Very good post. That is the dilemma that I, like many democrats, will have.

Clinton's attacks on Obama are pathetic. Anyone knows that Obama was against the war and Clinton voted for it. What is more unbelievable is Clinton's explanation of her vote (the one called "Resolution Authorizing the Use of Force") – IHer explanation – I thought we were just helping Bush with the inspection process. I din't think Bush was going to invade. Thus, her whole defense is essentially I was naive. Please, who is she kidding? I've heard people say a lot of things about Hillary – but I've never heard anyone call her naive.

NO Hillary   January 14th, 2008 11:56 am ET

I am so sick of the Clinton campaign throwing these kinds statements out there then saying they didn't mean it…… it was taken out of context……..poor Little Miss Sunshine Hillary is being attacked for no reason. I cannot see how voters can fall for this crap.

I hope Obama can keep it together and remain above all of this. They are trying so hard to get him to snap and say something that will destroy his campaign then Clinton will sit back , wide-eyed, and say "Who me? I didn't mean it that way".

These people are evil – they will do anything for power. I am not just against her being elected, I am AFRAID of her being elected. Honestly, I would keep Bush in the White House before I would ever support HC. I am a Democrat, but if Hillary is the nominee, I will vote Republican no matter WHO it is: Huckabee, Romney, whatever.

Hillary is disgusting and anyone that would vote for her is "living in a fairy tale".

mountain man   January 14th, 2008 11:56 am ET

So much for the politics of hope. I guess we all knew Obama couldn't live up to his hype.

Lisa   January 14th, 2008 11:56 am ET

Bill thought that Hillary's teary eye was effective – so now he is going to cry. How is Hillary going to handle people like Castro, and Chavez if she needs Bill to defend her by the "nice" guy Obama? Do you remember Hillary accusing Obama as being too nice to be President before he won the Iowa primary?

Jean, Sacramento   January 14th, 2008 11:56 am ET

Good! Someone needs to stand up for integrity and call down the Obama campaign for their dirty politicking.

Hillary has run a clean campaign, never twisting or distorting Obama's record. She doesn't have to. Anyone looking at it carefully can see his entire political career has been lackluster and driven more by ambition than anything else. During his one term as an Illinois senator, he repeatedly voted "present" to avoid taking a stand on issues that might be deemed unpopular later when he made his bid for the presidency. He spent most of his 2 years as a U.S. senator campaigning for president. Now he has to rely on poetic, soaring rhetoric, along with lies and distortions about Clinton's character and record, throwing out mud and hoping some of it will stick. What a way to run a campaign!

When Obama pretended to be above receiving money or help from lobbyists, Hillary called him on it by mentioning that the Chair of the Obama Campaign in New Hampshire is Jim Demers, a lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry. Yes, she stands up for herself against his smears and to show the disingenuous nature of his campaign. Her criticism of Obama is based on truth, not distortions. It is her right and her duty to keep it honest.

Many of us think it is great when wives and husbands go out on the campaign trail in an attempt to get their spouse's message out. Bill Clinton has been doing a good job of that and saying it like it is. On the other hand, Michelle has been delivering an even dirtier campaign message than her husband by blatantly playing the race card in southern states. Notice that there is no coverage of her appearances there; we never hear about them because they are so potentially damaging to her husband.

Sue in Raleigh   January 14th, 2008 11:55 am ET

Come on folks. Although this started when Obama denied his uncondititonal support of the war in Iraq. His record is not different from Hillary's. You can check out their voting records online. In fact, it is of interest that of the many, many numerous votes Obama missed, he never missed the opportunity to vote to continue funding the war in Iraq.

I don't want the war funded and I am not happy about Hillary's vote on it. But, when it comes right down to who voted how, their voting record is identical. And, that is the fairy tale Bill Clinton was talking about…not Obama's campaign or drive to get to the White House, it was about Obama denying his voting record….it is a fairy tale if he denies what it is.

charlotte   January 14th, 2008 11:55 am ET

This is going to be a loooooooong 9 mos. At least maybe Super Tuesday will put to rest the in-fighting, we will be able to consentrate on taking back the white house, as united democrats!

Right Wing   January 14th, 2008 11:54 am ET

Hillary is not complaining. She has Bill to do that for her. Does he cry also or will Hillary have to do her own?

James Martin   January 14th, 2008 11:53 am ET

We are being led down the wrong path by allowing the media tell us who are strong in this process. There has been little mention of the real force for change JOHN EDWARDS.

Wen   January 14th, 2008 11:53 am ET

Obama hasn't done anything yet, how could he compare himself to Dr. King and JFK? That's bluffing.
The Americans can not afford screw-up another 4 years by choosing a wrong president.

KFB   January 14th, 2008 11:53 am ET

Edwards looks better and better every day!

Lauren   January 14th, 2008 11:53 am ET

From the point of view of a registered Independent, I see this whole thing as incredibly sad. The Democratic party is going to be ripped in half before the general election race even begins. If the Clintons don't want it to be about race, then stop talking about race. Stop blaming the other campaign for their "attacks" and "distortion" of your remarks. Just set the record straight, clarify what you meant to say, and move on. All political campaigns attack the other campaigns. That's the way it works. I'm sure Obama and Edwards could come up with equally long lists of the "attacks" the Clinton campaign has put forth. Barack Obama never raised the issue of race before this point because it clearly will not help him or anyone else. So why would he start now? He never even commented on the Clinton's comments until yesterday. It's not in his control if people in the community voice their opinions on Clinton's statement. This whole thing is brining out the worst in people–including the people on these blogs. Let's just move on, stop playing the blame game. Nobody needs to be "proud" of anyone else–they are all adults with incredible political and personal achievements who are doing something incredibly difficult in running for president. And whoever wins the nomination, the others are going to need to step up and support that person so the Democrats can stand united and beat the Republicans. All this spin is divisive and pointless–and it gives the Republicans ammo. Is that what the Democrats are really trying to achieve?

Oscar, Rio Vista, CA   January 14th, 2008 11:51 am ET

Hilary is now personally offended by people misinterpreting her remarks about Martin Luther King. Well, Hilary please tell me what Johnson had to do with the civil rights? You brought it up… now explain exactly what you mean. Don't go on TV saying you were misinterpreted without explaining exactly what you mean.

I heard your words in your stump speech and I heard them again on FOX. I know what you were saying because you made it pretty clear.

Eric Evans   January 14th, 2008 11:51 am ET

Hillary was just trying to articulate the importance of selecting good Presidents. Barak knew that. I was voting for him. Now, I don't know.

saintholyman   January 14th, 2008 11:50 am ET

clintons equal controversy .

Valdez   January 14th, 2008 11:49 am ET

"I'm just a Bill, yes I'm only a Bill and I want a vote for my wife named Hill". Well, Well, Well. Look at what we've come to. A former President of the United States of America willing to say anything just so he can payback his wife for embarassing/humiliating her while he was in the White House. Ain't the something?

Jr., California   January 14th, 2008 11:47 am ET

No!!! Bill No!!!

Out of Context !   January 14th, 2008 11:44 am ET

Reporting news without context. Context isn't just important, it's everything — especially in these days of insta-pickup by blogs and online news sites, where just a snippet of text is enough to launch a million clicks.

Bill Clinton's quote, was part of a larger comment on Obama's representation of his Iraq war position not his campaign or its message!

The conflagration over Bill Clinton's "Fairytale" comment, made on January 7th at Dartmouth College, before the New Hampshire primary, explodes over the past few days as an issue of race. Yes, race — that scary third rail of politics around which everyone tiptoes — suddenly an issue around a comment made by a guy once known as "America's First Black President

Here's what it morphed into in the media: BILL CLINTON CALLS OBAMA'S MESSAGE OF HOPE AND INSPIRATION A FAIRYTALE! HE THINKS OBAMA'S DREAM FOR BLACK AMERICA IS A FAIRYTALE!

New York Times, Jan. 11th: "[Former President Clinton] described Mr. Obama's campaign narrative as a fairy tale."

The Politico, Jan 11th: "…Bill Clinton dismissing Sen. Barack Obama's image in the media as a 'fairy tale'"

BreitbartTV, Jan. 8th, which hosted the full clip yet chose to headline it in the most inflammatory (and inaccurate) way possible: "Bill Clinton Fumes About Obama: 'Biggest Fairy Tale I've Ever Seen'"

Same NYT article, quoting someone else incorrectly framing the comment: "[Rep. James E. Clyburn (D-SC)] saw the remark as a slap at the image of a black candidate running on a theme of unity and optimism. "To call that dream a fairy tale, which Bill Clinton seemed to be doing, could very well be insulting to some of us."

Maureen Dowd, NYT, Jan 9th: "Bill churlishly dismissed the Obama phenom as 'the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen.'"

Donna Brazile on CNN, Jan. 8th: "For him to go after Obama, using a fairy tale, calling him as he did last week. It's an insult. And I will tell you, as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing."

I've got a feeling CNN won't post this either. (ARgh!)

John Karsten, Virginia Beach, VA   January 14th, 2008 11:43 am ET

Did any of you really read that story. Here is the quote that almost made me projectile vomit across the room.

"I think we have to take it at his word," the former president told Martin, adding that "nobody knew" what Johnson would say, and "it wasn't part of any planned strategy."

JUST LIKE I TOOK YOUR WORD THAT YOU "DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMEN" AND YOU ALSO WANT ME TO BELIEVE THAT YOU "DID NOT INHALE".

Is that you want the American people to do Billy Boy, take your word as the bottom line truth and NOT question anything that comes out of your mouth.

That to me is the true colors of the clinton's. DO NOT QUESTION ME. TAKE OUR WORD, WE WOULD NOT LIE TO YOU.

stirlingmclaughlin   January 14th, 2008 11:42 am ET

The Clintons and Co. are trying to provoke Obama in to an angry response so they can paint him as the "angry black man" playing the "race card". So far it hasn't worked. We'll see…

Pickles, Monaca, PA   January 14th, 2008 11:42 am ET

The Clintons are obviously in shock that someone besides Hillary might get the Democratic nomination. Their attacks on Obama speak volumes for their desperation. If Hillary needs to have her husband fight her battles for her, as he has done, she doesn't deserve to be President. In fact, with her crying and playing the "gender card," she has set back the women's movement.

John Petty   January 14th, 2008 11:41 am ET

Actually, the Obama camp has been hitting Hillary pretty hard for quite some time now. They've been pretty deft about it, which is a tribute to the Obama camp's political skills, but it's definitely been going on.

Plus, I think both sides are making some fairly good points. Clinton says that Obama hasn't been all that anti-war, except for some speech he gave when he was a state senator. That's true. When Obama says the Clinton's are trying to "rewrite history," there is an element of truth in that too.

Race, of course, is a difficult issue, but–keep in mind–it has entered the campaign, not because somebody is a racist, but because both Clinton and Obama have strong support in the African-American community.

rich judy   January 14th, 2008 11:40 am ET

Why is it so WRONG to point out Obama's insistance on a message of "CHANGE" and then do nothing to prove it. She and her husband did more for racial harmony in this country than just about anyone else. Obama wants "us" to elect him because he's black and that that in and of it'self should be his explanation of "CHANGE". Not good enough! Being a state senator for a couple of years and community activist just is'nt the "CHANGE" I had in mind to replace the current occupant.
We need "PROVEN" Leadership!! Not wannabe Presidential Leadership.
P.S. Obama campaign- Quit playing the race card-just because someone dares to call you on the carpet for something does'nt mean their racist! You DONT get a free pass to the whitehouse just because your black just ask Jesse Jackson or the other pillar of the black community..Al Sharpton!!

Rada   January 14th, 2008 11:40 am ET

I know some people that get turned off with this back and forth but we all should be proud of the fact that they are fitting or your vote, your attention… We have a good selection of candidates in the Democratic side… WE ARE MAKING HISTORY!!! enjoy it.

Drama   January 14th, 2008 11:40 am ET

A list of 80 attacks! I have been watching this campaign very closely and I have yet to hear attacks coming from the Obama camp. I have heard RESPONSES from the Obama camp when they were attacked.

Amanda Orlando, FL   January 14th, 2008 11:39 am ET

Seriously, who sits around and compiles a LIST of attacks? This is just childish. I know the Obama campaign did something similar, which I thought was silly too, but their website listing Hilary's attacks on Obama struck me as somewhat humorous and mocking- which is precisely the point. The mud they've slung at Obama have been ridiculous, vague, unfounded, and overall below the belt. The "attacks" Obama has supposedly made on Hilary are simply defensive and generally true. Bill Clinton making a list of these supposed attacks and shouting them out for all too hear isn't going to create the havoc he's hoping for.

The Clinton campaign is throwing a tantrum, and it isn't helping them at all.

S Williams, Tampa   January 14th, 2008 11:39 am ET

Why is everybody always picking on us? – The Clintons (whining once again).

Gina, Baltimore, Maryland   January 14th, 2008 11:39 am ET

I have always considered myself to be a die hard democrat. But after listening to Clinton, Obama, and Edwards sling mud, if McCain gets in, he'll have my vote. Please Hillary, wise up and just talk about the issues.

Pady   January 14th, 2008 11:39 am ET

What a shame President Clinton,

What you are doing to America is indeed insane. We are in crisis and somebody trying to bring some balance to this Great Nation. What kind of president are you?
She really lost my vote and many more voters like me will just not vote for Hillary.

Period

RuthieM   January 14th, 2008 11:38 am ET

This is too bad. Why are they dragging this on and on? I think it's because they don't appreciate Obama fighting back like he does in defending himself against their bigoted statements as they try to turn it against Obama and say they are not bigoted but they are. They just don't want America to really know them. If they were not guilty they wouldn't keep commenting and calling black radio shows and appearing like they're doing. I think they have always thought black people less than them but would never act or say so. But that is why they've always gone out of their way to 'connect' with blacks, for photo op purposes, for political gain. It is only now that Barack Obama is gaining on Hillary that they can't accept it, that they refuse to accept it, meaning refuse to accept the black thing is gaining on them, their true colors showing.

tennessee gurl   January 14th, 2008 11:38 am ET

Message to the Clinton's…GO AWAY. We dont want you anymore. We are tired of the politics of personal distruction. How about showing your ideas instead of attacking Obama?

Blayze Kohime, Columbus OH   January 14th, 2008 11:38 am ET

So what's the difference, exactly, if she complains about it herself or has her husband do that for her? Who wants to be president, him or her?

Evan Tribley Columbus, OH   January 14th, 2008 11:37 am ET

Every single day Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton attack Barack Obama. On top of that, they contribute anything negative said about Hillary somehow came from Obama's campaign.

This is ridiculous. Bill is running the show, if it isn't obvious that a vote for Hillary we'll put them both back in power by now I don't know what will.

There is absolutely no change involved in the Clinton's campaign, it is nasty, it is lies, it is personal. For the love of all that is good don't vote for her.

There is absolutely no chance she will win a general election. She will receive no republican support. She will receive limited independent support. She certainly can't work with republicans, which will only further polarize the country.

Jack K.   January 14th, 2008 11:36 am ET

I guess now we've got to give equal time now for Obama's list of Bill and HIllary's attacks?

This makes me vomit.

Are they running for class President of the Harvard Law School….or for the President of The United States of America?

Even if Edwards doesn't get elected. I'm so tired of their (Obama and Clintons) well-healed, psycho-babble–if he doesn't run for President….I'm voting for McCain!!

Amelia   January 14th, 2008 11:36 am ET

Do we want 4 more years of this negativity and victim playing? The American public deserves a leader that will help unite us after too long divided. Its ok to disagree, but not ok to stoop so low as the Clintons routinely do. No to toxic politics! Go Obama!

Blayze Kohime, Columbus OH   January 14th, 2008 11:36 am ET

So what's the difference, exactly, if she complains about it herself or has her husband do that for her? Who wants to be president, him or her?

MarkC   January 14th, 2008 11:36 am ET

Listen to the snide tone that Johnson uses when he says: " I won't say what he was doing, but he said it in his book."

Bill Clinton thinks that "community organizing" is what Johnson was talking about? Why wouldn't Johnson want to say Obama was doing "community organizing"?

I'm not sure whether to believe the suggestion that this is part of Operation "turn Obama's strength with black voters into wedge to drive away white voters." But here is what would happen if that was the case: a surrogate will trot out the word "uppity," Obama will win in South Carolina and someone will describe it as a "black tide," followed by a decisive Clinton win on Super Tuesday.

Allen   January 14th, 2008 11:35 am ET

I love you Bill, but stop whining.

Katherine   January 14th, 2008 11:35 am ET

Folks – more than one of you has said you're sick of this bickering from both camps. Plase, someone tell me what you have heard from the Obama camp, I haven't seen one disparaging comment or reaction from them, other than Obama's assertion that he has not reacted. He specifically said about the Johnson comment "what is there to react to". Why is he being accused of contributing to this bickering?

OC   January 14th, 2008 11:34 am ET

I am confused…Who from Obama's camp made negative remarks about her reference to Lydon B. Johnsons involvement in civil rights? From everything I read it was "some" African-American leaders, not Barack Obama's camp. Obama did say it was "ill advised" but that was on Sunday….after her appearance on "Meet the Press".

If she feels any backlash from her comments it is because of what she said. I really wish Hillary and Bill will leave Barack alone and concentrate on a positive campaign.

Jen, Gainesville, FL   January 14th, 2008 11:32 am ET

I am so sick of this Bill and have been convinced by the events before and since NH that the Clintons are doing everything they can to get elected. I used to have some respect for Hillary. Now no more and not at all.

Either Hillary is committing a career suicide by throwing the whole kitchen sink out to win or she thinks that enough American people can be fooled by her tricks. Wait and see.

Josh   January 14th, 2008 11:32 am ET

The Clinton's are disgusting people and I have lost all respect for Bill…And I have never had any for Hillary, so that does not matter. If she won the nomination she would lose to the REP, because independents nor a good portion of DEM would vote her.

I can promise you Edwards and Obama supporters would not support her corrupt campaign of divisiveness and hate.

Bryan   January 14th, 2008 11:32 am ET

This kind of bunk is exactly why people are flocking to Sen. Obama! This is the type of change people wnat. It seems to me that he has remained out of the fray while Hillary continues to use personal attacks and mudslinging to regain her lead! The same tactics that she wailed on the republicans about she seems to be using! It makes me rethink the whole eight years Bill was in office! maybe they weren't as innocent as I had thought! It is sad but the more I hear from Hillary the more it makes me think that we would be better off with Joihn McCain if she does win the nomination! Please Hillary stop the attacks! I want to keep supporting you but you are making it increasingly difficult!

joli   January 14th, 2008 11:31 am ET

Please! You know Barak has no problem talking about about his teenage drug use. But heaven forbid if someone should "gasp" use it against him! PLEASE!!!! As far as im concerned… perhaps if he had been paying more attention in history class versus doing drugs he would know that the Civil Rights movement was about more than Martin Luther King Jr. Yes MLK was a huge proponent but did not act alone in the accomplishments that took place both inside and outside Washington. This is simply just a desperate use of playing the race card… and assumes the public is dumb on the topic of Civil Rights.

You got called out Obama… You can talk about change and hope all you want and compare yourself to the likes of MLK and JFK… but in the end these great men didnt just talk about it they acted and accomplished great things. You on the other hand are arrogant enough to compare yourself to these great men without having accomplished anything… which personally I find to be a greater insult to their legacy.

Correen Schrenk   January 14th, 2008 11:30 am ET

Enough already. I'm tired. I want to go to bed tonight knowing I will wake up in the morning and know a year from now, my grandchildrens future will be safer, brighter and stable in all aspects. I want to vote. But, maybe I won't. Do you hear me me, MAYBE I won't. I'm tired of the nit-picking, I'm tired of the he said –