January 16, 2008
Posted: 10:51 AM ET
 Clinton won less than a quarter of support from black voters.
Clinton won less than a quarter of support from black voters.

(CNN) — Hillary Clinton faced a grim statistic in Michigan Tuesday night, despite her primary "win" there: results revealed that she may have reason to worry about her grasp on the African-American vote.

The Michigan primary vote was essentially meaningless: the national party stripped the state of its delegates because it held its contest too early in the election season, and Clinton was the only major Democratic contender whose name appeared on the ballot.

Even so, roughly 70 percent of Michigan’s African-American voters — a group that makes up a quarter of Michigan’s Democratic electorate — did not cast their votes for Clinton, choosing the “uncommitted” option instead. Yet these voters weren’t uncommitted at all: in fact, according to CNN exit polls, they overwhelmingly favored Barack Obama, whose name did not appear on the ballot.

Had Obama’s name been on the Michigan ballot, CNN exit polls show that he would have won an overwhelming 73 percent of the African-American vote, in contrast to 22 percent who say they would have voted for Clinton under those circumstances. If South Carolina’s large African-American community votes as Michigan’s, Hillary may not be feeling much ‘southern hospitality’ in that state.

Related: Blacks, youngest voters choose 'uncommitted' over Clinton

– CNN Political Producer Alan Isenberg

Filed under: Hillary Clinton


Jim   January 16th, 2008 6:08 am ET

Let me get this straight …… If I don't vote for Obama …. I'm a Racist???

AnaHadWolves   January 16th, 2008 6:09 am ET

And, when the "Obama Strategy" of playing the race card blossoms completely, the Democrats will implode, as usual, on Election Day. Obama's strategists, using "code words" and playing the victim here, distorted and mis-quoted Hillary and Bill Clinton to their political advantage with Black voters.

Obama is proving to be as sleazy and slippery as those he attempts to castigate. This Democrat will not be voting for Obama for anything.

Adam   January 16th, 2008 6:15 am ET

How about some numbers to go along with the percentages? Percentages are meaningless unless we have the numbers to offer context.

jay gelek   January 16th, 2008 6:16 am ET

Obama is definitely charasmatic and likable but the american presidency is not a beauty contest. Hillary is going to win it in the end despite what the "pundit's" say.

Nick   January 16th, 2008 6:17 am ET

CNN, stop doing the anti-Clinton campaign …!!!!!!!!!

You have pretty much lost my respect ….

Mike in Kentucky   January 16th, 2008 6:21 am ET

"Had Obama’s name been on the Michigan ballot, CNN exit polls show that he would have won an overwhelming 73 percent of the African-American vote, in contrast to 22 percent who say they would have voted for Clinton under those circumstances. If South Carolina’s large African-American community votes as Michigan’s, Hillary may not be feeling much ‘southern hospitality’ in that state."

I have to confess that I am not well versed in the intricacies of Michigan election law, but, if I could have voted for a Republican or voted uncommited, could I have written in the candidate of my choice…symbolic though it might have been!

If that is the case, then the symbolic vote did not show up!

Judy Z   January 16th, 2008 6:21 am ET

" CNN exit polls show that he would have won an overwhelming 73 percent of the African-American vote, in contrast to 22 percent who say they would have voted for Clinton under those circumstances".

These data are meaningless.

jd in the ville   January 16th, 2008 6:22 am ET

Knowinghow how most people are, I would guess that this will rally the whites.

John Karsten, Virginia Beach, VA   January 16th, 2008 6:27 am ET

Great news for me and Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama 2008

John   January 16th, 2008 6:30 am ET

Pathetic. Why does the media insist on slanting the coverage to emphasize the "contest" rather than the issues? A "grim" fact? "Troubling news"? Give me a break. Of COURSE those blacks would have voted for Obama, and they did so, in effect.

How about covering the issues being discussed instead of the process?

"News" reporting is often no better than entertainment, and "analysis" has been replaced by speculation.

Tod Palmer   January 16th, 2008 6:36 am ET

Well, since we all know how reliable exit polls have proven to be, that's it Hillary. Give up. CNN's exit poll said you can't win, much like all its polls said you'd surely lose New Hampshire. How is this news? Where's the integrity? Primaries, generally, are meaningless … especially those with only one viable candidate on the ballot. God, can't we get an update on Brittney Spears or, God forbid, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

randy   January 16th, 2008 6:37 am ET

what a silly and meaningless bit of non-info. how you can infer what "might" have happened in a state where the candidates were not permitted to campaign is just pure rubbish. what cnn "omit" to tell you is that local (Detroit) black politicians were pushing hard for the "uncommitted" line. you really had a pretty one-sided campaign in those districts since the national campaigns were not allowed to go in. now what is CNN going to do next Tuesday when the SC exit polls do not show a 73% Black Obama vote?????

Monroe   January 16th, 2008 6:38 am ET

And you claim race isnt a factor for obama supporters…We ALL knew this was how it would be from now on. This will be a race on race until the end sadly. Senator Clinton was outstanding and very Presidential in the NV debate last night. Once again obama fumbles through his sentences when he doesnt have a "inspirational speech" written for him, its very obvious, this guy doesnt have one original thought…If black voters want to support a candidate based on skin color then white voters will do the same and vote for Clinton or Edwards. Obama has lost.

Hillarylover in Texas   January 16th, 2008 6:47 am ET

Oh please. CNN should focus on more than one minority in this country. Stop just focusing on one. The media really blows up things way off. I stopped watching and reading alot of tis BS - the media is making Obama look like this uniter. Someone different. He is no different that all of the candidates that are running. My sister watched Obama once and said. Nope - can't vote for him. Obama isn't impressing as many people as the media makes out. He isn't going to walk into Washington and say "there is a new sheriff in town." This country isnt a dictatorship. WAKE UP AMERICA.

Clinton 08

Barbara   January 16th, 2008 6:50 am ET

Wait a minute. It's 'acceptable' for Obama and his campaign strategists to look to 'rallying' the black and young female vote, but racist or sexist for Clinton and her campaign strategists to rally 'rally' the non-black and female vote?

I agree with Nick, "stop the anti-Clinton" campaign. It could be seen as 'sexist' by some women. Of course, so far we've yet to hear any feminists get on the 'anti' bandwagon. I wish I could say the same for those who favour Obama and jump at every opportunity to cry foul whenever anyone says anything that even remotely smacks of a challange to Obama on anything.

Double standards here folks.

Rhett   January 16th, 2008 6:52 am ET

cnn-

Why would you even publish something like this? The real story here should explain how/why any name appears on a ballot if the state was stripped of it's delegates. Much of this nation will view some distorted liberal news snippet and interprate this as a win for Clinton. Results for the Michigan democratic primary should read "N/A".

J Williamson Buffalo, NY   January 16th, 2008 7:00 am ET

Most Dem voters simply stayed home as they saw the contest as meaningless - why infer so much? Hillary "won" with 55% of the vote, but that is barely mentioned. The media bias towards Obama is starting to make many of the pundits look like bought and paid for stooges.

charlotte   January 16th, 2008 7:01 am ET

When the media continues to divide the votes by color were never going to get past this RACE thing. Are the ballots somehow color coded? What percent of the white vote did Hillary receive, Chinese-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Arab-Americans, Jewish-Americans, Italian-Americans, Japaniese-Americans, Hmong-Americans, Vietnamise-Americans, Irish-Americans, Dutch-Americans, German-Americans, French-Americans, English-Americans, Canadian-Americans, And lets not forget the only true Americans the Indians? I'm sure I missed some country. I say take the hypen out and we're all AMERICANS.

Mike, Owosso, MI   January 16th, 2008 7:01 am ET

That is what they were instructed to vote for in Detroit by the media and the local leaders- robots of the town.

Anonymous   January 16th, 2008 7:01 am ET

WOW. You just cant stop putting a negative spin on everything huh? SHE WON New Hampshire, the media's saying she cheated. She won Michigan, the media is potraying the win as meaningless. She said a FACT about MLK and LBJ, she is lambasted for being a racist. Someone talked about Obama's drug use, they blame it on the Clintons. And then she is portrayed as being too divisive. How can she be divisive when the media is the one fueling the flame? When is it gonna stop!! Whats worse, they're analyzing a minority vote instead of looking at an overwhelming win. How big is the Democratic African American community in Michigan and how many actually showed up on the polls? 70% of what number? You cant even get facts out there. This news piece is a worthless pitch of an anti-Hillary hack.

She won 60% as compared to 35% uncommited. Even if Obama and Edwards were on the ballot, SHE COULD HAVE WON BIG.

Stop the media bias! Report FACTS!!!

YesWeCan   January 16th, 2008 7:02 am ET

"Let me get this straight …… If I don't vote for Obama …. I'm a Racist???"

OKAY, IDIOT AND WHERE DID YOU READ THAT ?

As a Generation X African American and Woman I am sick and tired of all this race and gender BS.

I won't vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstance and if someone asked me if it was because she was a woman, I would slap them. I'd also slap anyone who would suggest that I am voting for Barack Obama because he's Black or if I were voting for Edwards, because I only think a White man can get the job done.

I am sick of all this race and gender politics and you know who's fault it really is? The Baby Boomers and they will suffer politically for pushing this crap and being hypocrites. They claim they fought to put and end to all of this crap, but it's their generation that is the one who keeps pushing it. From Media to Candidates to Surrogates, it's Baby Boomers who are being total hypocrites.

Everyone is getting real sick and tired of the Hypocrite Boomers with their Race and Gender Politics. If Anti-Boomer sentiment grows in America, remember it started right here in 2008 . Mark your calenders. The Hypocrite Boomers have lost all respect from the rest of the country. Just take you SSI Checks and leave everyone else the heck alone! Grrrrrrrrrr!

Prophet   January 16th, 2008 7:06 am ET

Tick,tick,tick the clock goes.
And who says obama is preferred to clinton when they are all the same- stooges- special interest representators. Definitely the Democrats will implode for they have ignored the real man-Edwards. For sure Huckabee is the predicted president!!!!!!!!!!!

PJ, New York   January 16th, 2008 7:08 am ET

CNN, ENOUGH ALREADY! Stop the Anti-Hillary Clinton coverage!! Why don't you talk about how she 'owned the stage' once again at the debate last night on MSNBC?? Talk about the issues that everyone wants to hear, not the polls. What a pathetic news organization!

jd in the ville   January 16th, 2008 7:10 am ET

BUSH 08

SRP   January 16th, 2008 7:12 am ET

Mike in Kentucky–If they had written in a name, the vote would have been tossed, so voting "uncommitted" actually makes more of a symbolic stand, because an "uncommitted" vote will be counted.

S~

PS: anyone find it odd that no Ron Paul supporters have post 30+ entries saying that Paul actually won Michigan, like, 9 months ago?

Jeff   January 16th, 2008 7:13 am ET

As I recall it was the Clinton's who tacitly brought up the issue of race in this campaign. When they got behind they thought it necessary to pull out every trick in their bag. I'm glad to see Obama and Edwards have not stooped to their level. All too often when candidates need an advantage whether its in a campaign or in the corporate world they tacitly use race and gender as a self-promoting wedge.

Jim in Orlando, FL   January 16th, 2008 7:13 am ET

Hillary deserves all the negative press, spun and otherwise, that comes of the Michigan vote. She kept her name on the ballot although all others removed theirs when Michigan tried to upstage the system. The poll numbers are exceedingly ominous for her campaign. Imagine so many people taking the trouble to go to the polls just to vote "uncommitted" !

Jim C.   January 16th, 2008 7:15 am ET

Write in candidates must register with the state of Michigan as such, Obama and Edwards did not. A write in vote would not be counted here.

Clinton   January 16th, 2008 7:15 am ET

Because the Michigan Primary was essentially meaningless we are forced to try and infer some type of value add. The African American vote is it people. If the media always seems to come negative on HRC, its probably because she has given them reason to. This candidate brings it on herself, period.

How'bout that debate last night. Hillary went so far off topic on just about everything she was even cut off once. And the look on her face! We dont need another president who feels entitled to force their opinion on others in the room….

I will vote republican before HRC

Jim T   January 16th, 2008 7:17 am ET

Why didn't the DNC and News media "criticize" Hilary after she left her name on the ballot in Michigan,while others honored their pledge not to campaign.

SaM   January 16th, 2008 7:18 am ET

People you guys need to stop all this nonsense about racist. Really, the fact is that no matter the race or gender Obama will be the next president. We all just need to come together here and face the facts. Bickering at each other won't change what is to be and will be. Obama is the best candidate for president, i know as well as you know. He is the one who will unite us. He is the best candidate for change. People wake up!!!! Vote Obama 08.

Jeff Spangler, Arlington, VA   January 16th, 2008 7:18 am ET

This meaningless election tends to confirm Hillary's unelectability among any block of voters in the general, leaving us to question whether Obama can do any better. Bloomie's looking better every day if the Dems don't wake up to Edwards' ability to consistently defeat all GOP opponents.

SUPER TUESDAY VOTER   January 16th, 2008 7:28 am ET

CNN SHAME ON YOU FOR YOUR BIAS REPORTING ONCE AGAIN!

Do you really think people are that stupid? Hillary Clinton won the vote in Michigan by 55%. That's 15% over the 40% of the uncommitted vote. OF the 40% of uncommitted voters, only 73% would have gone to Obama. That's just over 30% of the total vote to Hillary's 55%!!!!

CNN your bias reporting coompletely discredits your worth! People are dropping like flies when it comes to watching political news from you!

YOU ARE SO BIAS, YOU FELT THE NEED TO RECIRCULATE THIS ARTICLE AS IT WAS YOUR TICKER HEADLINE LAST NIGHT! HOW BIAS IS THAT , NOT TO MENTION PATHETIC!

VOTERS BEWARE OF CNN's BIAS REPORTING! EDUCATE YOURSELF ON THE REAL NEWS.

While you are at it…google Obama's church and see what you come up with. He may be a Christian, but read the about us page of his church and see what type of Christian he is…Use any search engine to research his tucc . org church and be sure to view the about us page..CNN won't report on that. WILL THEY?

Donna, Saratoga Springs, NY   January 16th, 2008 7:28 am ET

This is feeling very racist. Am I living in the past?

Corey, Bloomington IN   January 16th, 2008 7:29 am ET

Ok, does anyone understand the bigger picture here: over 236,000 people in Michigan went out to cast ballots for Anyone But Clinton. How can you still support her? With the names that were actually on the ballot, Clinton should have had at least 80%, but she got a pathetic 55.

Don, Colorado Springs   January 16th, 2008 7:30 am ET

What ever happened to everyone just being an American? Charlize Theron was born in South Africa and you don't hear her saying she's an African-American.

Ed,Ellenville,New York   January 16th, 2008 7:31 am ET

It's pretty clear today that Hillary voters will unite behind whomever the nominee is,but Obama supporters will not. Even if Edwards was to be picked,I doubt they'd support him in the general. So could all of you Obama dividers please just pledge to stay home or vote non-republican? Voting against Clinton's,Obama's, and Edwards' platform for the sake of depriving our nation of it's peace and prosperity for spite, being sore losers, is deserving of a depression. The rest of the country shouldn't be punished for your bad deeds. So please take a pledge to not vote republican so that the whole ship isn't sunk because of your poor sportsmanship.

DMW, Roeland Park, KS   January 16th, 2008 7:33 am ET

I do not understand why this is troubling. The media makes it appear as if only blacks and young people are voting. There is far greater diversity than that in the Democratic party. Women, older voters, middle-aged voters, men whites, latinos, etc.

Please stop making this seem as if only blacks and young people matter. All of us matter in the process.

AJ; Montpelier, VT   January 16th, 2008 7:34 am ET

Is this a surprise? This election will be very sharply divided along racial lines. Is it a surprise that the black community overwhelmingly support Obama? Look at the city of Detroit. The black voters continue to vote in elected officials not because they are doing a good job of running the city, the city is in dismal shape, but because of their race.
It's really going to be interesting to see if this causes a white backlash. When white voters beging to see that he is being voted for simply because he is black, will they put the brakes on?

Matt   January 16th, 2008 7:37 am ET

I live in Detroit .. and I gotta tell you , for the past 2 weeks the demacratic party leaders here were urging everyone here to vote "uncommited" to spare some of the delegates by lunching emails , talking in the media , writing the Detroit news and Free Press , Oakland Press .
This "uncomitted" vote is not against Clinton (or to support Obama) as the CNN wants you to beleive ..
of course Obama's supporters were knocking on the doors trying to push the "uncomitted" vote even further .
Despite all that Clinton got 57% of the votes without even campaigning in Michigan ..

writer28   January 16th, 2008 7:37 am ET

Mike in Kentucky— You are wrong about the write-in vote in the Michigan primary. I live in Michigan. Because of the Democratic party in Michigan pushing up the primary date, the National Party sanctioned the State Party. As such, any write-in vote for anyone other than Clinton was thrown away. The only way to vote for Obama or Edwards was to vote 'uncommitted' and then hope that Michigan's delegates will be reinstated by the National Party before the Convention, so they can vote for Obama or Edwards.

Sen. Carl Levin, who was one of the people behind the date change, says he doesn't believe the National Democratic Party will actually hurt itself by not allowing the Michigan delegates to be seated. He believes the Party will change its mind about the delegates. We'll see.

On to you   January 16th, 2008 7:40 am ET

So Obama played the race card and succeeded. Real classy. NOT getting my vote. I also have faith that blacks will not be so easily played.

jdc   January 16th, 2008 7:41 am ET

CNN looks like they want to project the winner…"why bother voting at all" type strategy.

Reminds of the SNL Skit. It was around election night and the new caster (I think it was Parnel impersonating Tom Brokaw) announcing projected winners. Then he started reading off sports scores:
"The Lakers are Leading the Pistons 34-28 in the beginning of the 2nd Quarter. NBC Has projected the Detroit Pistons winner of the game"

Andy Ortiz   January 16th, 2008 7:41 am ET

Can someone explain to me how they see trouble here. If Obama's name was in the ticket and he won the percentage of the uncommitted vote they say the the final result would have been:

Clinton 380,000
Obama 184,000

That still a substantial lead in my eyes!

anonymous   January 16th, 2008 7:42 am ET

Did I miss something here? Hillary got something like 63% of the vote in Michigan, and there was something like 40-44% UNCOMMITTED??? HILLARY STILL WON! Hillary and Obama have called a truce. Why can't the so-called media and press do the same…PLEASE! I'm sick of this. Give WE THE PEOPLE some credit, why don't ya… geez…

Matt   January 16th, 2008 7:43 am ET

Carl Levin himself was pushing the :"Uncommited" vote despite not endorsing any candidate

PJ, New York   January 16th, 2008 7:43 am ET

SaM, you poor thing, you have no idea what you're talking about. It's obvious that you, like most of the Obama supporters have no clue as to what is going on in this country. Our country is dealing with some major issues right now. We needd strong leadership, not a 'nice guy' who can read a script. This isn't American Idol we're talking about, it's the future of our country! Even if Obama somehow manages to win the DEM nomination, he will never win in the general election. ALL of the past Democratic debates have proven that without his pre-written speech, he's clueless on the issues! Any one of the more seasoned Republican's who are running will eat him alive in a debate. They won't be as nice to him as Hillary has been in past debates. Once again, last night Hillary owned the stage at the debate on MSNBC. So SaM- You're the one who needs to wake up! A vote for Obama is just sealing the deal with the Republican's to win the White House in November.

anonymous   January 16th, 2008 7:47 am ET

My apologies… I had heard Clinton got 63%. Now I see it was somewhere in the 50s. STILL…she got the majority of the vote! (And I'm not even a Hillary supporter. I still consider myself UNDECIDED).

Bimmer   January 16th, 2008 7:47 am ET

Yet another dramaticized headline from CNN. The good news for Hillary is she won handily in Michigan.

What's more troubling was not in the Michiganv primary, but happened in the debate in Nevada. In the debate, Obama admits that his greatest weakness is lack of organization and losing important paper.

This along with his glorifying drug and alcohol use in the past in his book makes one wonder:

Does he have the discipline to be the most powerful leader in the world?

Annie   January 16th, 2008 7:49 am ET

I like both Obama and Hillary. Anyone but another Republican. (Did you see the latest quote from Huckabee? He wants to rewrite the constitution to reflect "God's Law". My questions is "Whose God?")

The hidden subtext of the 2008 presidential election is race and gender. People who say they are tired of hearing about race and gender, and that we should "stick to the issues" don't understand that gender and race ARE the issues.

We are making history with this election. Just a few years ago, there was no hope that anyone other then a white male could ever be elected president. of the USA. Too many barriers existed.

Then the "perfect storm" came along…George Bush, who has an approval rating of 38% this week. Suddenly ANY democrat looked better, even a woman or a black man. Now something that was only a dream for many of us might really come true.

I did not think I would ever see a black, hispanic, asian or woman have a REAL chance to be elected president in my lifetime. (I am 51) But now it looks like it might really happen, and I still can hardly believe it. Here is why……

In 1868, after the Civil War, black men (only) become “citizens” (defined very specifically in the American constitution at that time as “male”).

At the same time, black men (only) were allowed to vote in national elections.

Woman (our great grandmothers) were beaten, attacked, arrested and jailed for the next 50 years in their efforts to become legal citizens.

The woman who fought for this right, including Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Lucretia Mott and Sojourner Truth, died before they ever were allowed to cast a vote

During this period, woman who tried to vote in national elections were arrested and their votes discarded.

Woman were banned from attending the dedication ceremony of the Statue of Liberty in 1886. Please note that the Statue is a female representing freedom for all people in the USA. She is the ultimate example of woman as object! (We like the IDEA of woman, we just don’t want them to have any power.)

In 1920, woman were given rights as legal citizens of the USA and allowed to vote in national elections for the first time.

Why does this matter?

It has been 87 years since woman have been “citizens” of the US, but we still haven’t had a woman president or vice president.

Woman are 51% of the population of the USA but still haven’t broken the highest and hardest glass ceiling.

We have not had a black president. Blacks are around 13% of the population of the USA.

The “woman card” is not a “card”. Sexism is real. Full civil rights for woman don’t yet exist.

The “race card” is not a “card”. Racism is real. Full civil rights for racial minorities of all types don’t yet exist.

Are we allowed to talk about this, or should we pretend it doesn’t matter? This campaign IS about race and gender. Especially gender.

We have seen two historic events already in 2008, a woman AND a black man winning presidential primaries. Congratuations to both of them for getting this far, only 87 and 130 years late, respectively.

I believe that sexism is more insidious and hostile then racism. Can a woman ever be president?

If not, how will we as a country ever become truly democratic?

— Posted by Elizabeth Cady Stanton Fan

Mike M   January 16th, 2008 7:50 am ET

In my opinion, Obama is clearly the best candidate of all three when judging by debate performance. I would rate Edwards second and Hillary last. When asked a question, Obama provides a direct answer. Hillary cannot do this and she demonstrated her lack of ability to answer questions at yesterday's debate. Specifically, when asked about the long term effects of freezing interest rates on the economy, Hillary totally avoided answering the question and instead talked about her economy plan. We are not stupid people. We can tell who knows what's going on. Obama was infallible last night as always. The man has voted well for everything in the past. We need a president who can SPEAK and convey his or her thoughts effectively. Moreover Obama seems a bit more moderate (I would effectively call it "realistic"). Finally, to me Hillary seems phony and malicious and this was demonstrated when she attacjed Edwards last night on the matter of him voting for yucca mountain (he counterattacked about Hillary's big business firends). Although likable enough as Obama mentioned I don't think that she is genuine enough. A simple exemplification to this is that she is married to a previous president and that is the reason she is running for president now, while Obama came out of nowhere to serve his country.
We need a new president who is pure of the past. We need a president with new and genuine ideals and values for a fresh start. Hillar has too many ties to politics through Bill and although she translates this as experience, I feel it is negative. Obama has to be the next president, for everyone's sake.

keith Pike   January 16th, 2008 7:51 am ET

Shame,Shame CNN is this a Corprate thing break away from your prouders and lets get to the real debate.

Lisa from New York   January 16th, 2008 7:55 am ET

Why does CNN insist on slanting their coverage of this stuff???? If Obama had run in Michigan and gotten 57% of the vote you'd be trumpeting the outcome as an important symbolic victory and that would be your headline. Stop trying to interpret the news for your readers; that's not your role.

Peter Oriavwote   January 16th, 2008 7:57 am ET

The media should stop heating up the polity with this anti-Clinton agenda and popping up of the race card.. If this continues it will likely polarize the democratic electoral divide between blacks and other voters. Obama will definitely be the loser. Non-black voters far out number blacks in the Democratic party. Bill Clinton was a great President and I believe Senator Clinton will equally make a great American President. The media should please give her a break. This woman is very articulate and experienced, race and gender not withstanding.

BCNU purple state, usa   January 16th, 2008 7:57 am ET

I watched about half of the "debate" last night and have been following this race fairly closely for a few months. On policy, there is virtualy no difference between Clinton, Obama and Edwards. The main points:

Universal Health Care, Universal Pre-K, Mortgage bail-out, billions to "stimulate" the economy, carbon taxes to prevent weather, pull out of Iraq, the list goes on.

Each candidate seems to back the same major policies, the only real differences being to what degree the policy will be enacted and how the implementation will take place. There are a few side issues that are unique to candidate A, B or C, but in essence the plank is the same.

With all three endorsing essentially the same platform, it comes down to which candidate do you choose to enact these government programs? Which style do you prefer?

All three have legislative experience in the senate and can tout different legislation they have been involved with, none really have a significant edge on the others when it comes to actual experience in a responsible position (elected office).

Hence, it comes down to personality and style.

All of the economic proposals I heard last night involve an increased tax burden "on the wealthy Americans", but I ask you ,when is the last time you asked a poor person for a job? These increased fees and taxes will no doubt be passed on to the middle class Americans that they are trying to help. Raising the minimum wage sounds good on the surface, but with increased labor costs mandated by the government, the $9.50 @ hr high-schooler at McDonald's will lead McD's to make your BigMac a $6.00 sandwich.

If GE has to pay cap and trade carbon credits, your electric bill will go up. Who's going to pay for Pre-K and Universal Health Care? I don't think any of these candidates are going to dip into THEIR pocket to do so, it will come from us.

I was scared watching Hillary discuss some of these programs last night, she didn't even bat an eye when using the word BILLIONS (as in dollars). Speaking as if it were Monopoly money. (Bush and the current crop of Republicans have strayed so far away from their roots on fiscal conservatism that the currency is becoming Monopoly money, but that is another issue altogether).

diamond965   January 16th, 2008 7:57 am ET

Hello Americans if the ballots are incorrect than the outcome is incorrect…despite this nations history of inequality it's primary allegience is still for equality. So to keep the conflict down they should not run primaries when all the main candidates names are not on the ballots; plain and simple, there is no argument. This situation was no one candidate's crying or whinning, it is about bad processes.

KE, GA   January 16th, 2008 7:58 am ET

Hey CNN (I almost said FOX), don't forget that you are hurting your favorite (Obama) as you try to damage Hillary's campaign. Moron…you lost my respect long time ago. He supposed to win a large portion of black people in his neighboring state. Do you even know that you posted this article twice on the same page?

No More Uncle Toms   January 16th, 2008 7:58 am ET

Looks like Andrews Young, Robert Johnson, John Lewis and the ultimate windbag, Charlie Wrangell are dead wrong. African-Americans, like all of us, have their own minds and can see through a phoney when they see on. It is my hope in all the subsequent primaries that all voters regardless of race, creed, national origin, sexual orientation or whatever, vote with their minds and not because some self-appointed leader thinks they're too stupid to make the decision for themselves.

We are at a historic crossroads with the Obama candidacy. He won in a state, Iowa, that's 98+% white, came to a virtual dead heat winning the same number of delegates in another "Ivory Snow" state, New Hampshire and now shows up as the overwhelming preference in Michigan. There's something great happening here no matter whom you're backing. This is that finally in this country, people are looking past outward appearance. Hooray!

Danielle, Philadelphia PA   January 16th, 2008 8:00 am ET

I cannot wait until all the Democratic primaries are over, so we will no longer be subjected to distorted journalism. CNN used to be somewhat objective in its reporting - obviously those days are over. Enough with the heavy-handed bias towards Obama. Clinton will win anyway because she's the best candidate!

ysocks   January 16th, 2008 8:01 am ET

have to admit that I saw the 73% stat and asked - of how many? 100, 1000, 10,000?
now i know as a brit it has squat all to do with us but here is my query about Hilary - can you really take her seriously when she hasn't kicked out the lying philandering scumbag of a husband that she has? He was a great president, but hell I would be castrated by my missus if I had done an eighth of the philandering that has made it into the public domain.

Strikes me that the woman knows her ticket to the white house can only be validated with ol' teflon slacks beside her.

Michingan was meaningless bring on South Carolina

Average Joe   January 16th, 2008 8:01 am ET

The only 2 candidates that can back up their "policies" with past actions are Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee in that order. The rest of them are career politicians who, regardless of what they say, cow-tow to lobbyist's, special interests, and who ever helps them in the giant popularity contest called capitol hill. Wake-up America,secure the borders,eliminate welfare, remove affirmative action, put slackers to the work illegals are doing and there will be less reason for them to enter, stop rewarding actions that americans would be jailed for. The Dems. are All puppets and bleeding heart liberals and besides the two above the Republicans are big business, war mongers. Most of the postings on this site are emotionally driven instead of intellectually driven, but if you take the time to do some research into the issues and make an informed decision there may yet be some hope.

Tommy   January 16th, 2008 8:01 am ET

yaaaawwwwnnn…. the anti-hillary crap is getting soooo ooold.

Mary, Michigan   January 16th, 2008 8:02 am ET

I am a white, female, independent voter who lives on the west side of the state. I voted on the democratic ballot for "uncommitted." I know many others in this area who did the same–all white.

Please don't think that only African Americans voted "uncommitted." That's not true. There are a lot of us on the other side of state who support Barack Obama. too.

Shame on those in our legislature and government who took away our voice.

Anonymous   January 16th, 2008 8:02 am ET

Please oh please CNN… stop being so biased against democrats…
Wait… that is an oxymoron…

You people are a joke!

Your democrat congressional job approval 24.7%… LOL!

Will56887   January 16th, 2008 8:03 am ET

I wish they (Clinton & Obama) would work together for the common good of the American people and not fall into the "tit" for "tat" trap. It's not really Obama vs Clinton. Both want to make this country a better place. I'll be happy if either one ends up in the white house.

I wish that Bill would stay out of this and let Hillary speak for herself. After all it's Hillary on the ticket to be president not Bill.

Lastly, if the candidates don't have anything nice to say about each other they shouldn't say anything at all. They should concentrate on the issues at hand.

I wish both the best of luck and look forward to 2009 when George Bush makes his grand Exit.

Greg in MI   January 16th, 2008 8:06 am ET

As a person who lives in Michigan, the Michigan Democratic Primary Ballot
was rigged to insure a Hillary victory.

After reading the above response comments, it appears that people don't realize
that those who wanted to move the MI primaries forward are Hillary supporters
(Gov. Jenny Granholm and Sen. Carl Levin according to the Macomb Daily)
AND that because MI pulled their primary forward, the DNC forced Obama, Edwards and a few others off the Michigan Primary Democratic Ballot. Edwards and Obama were originally on the ballot….for some odd reason only Hillary's name remained unchallenged in the end. This left Michigan an easy "win" for Hillary because it guaranteed that in Michigan Hillary would lose 0 momentum
from going from NH to Nevada, and at best only gained momentum.
No news organization wants to dig into the DNC for their actions against Obama
and Edwards, and for recent rule changes that favored Hillary.

As for "racism"…many Senators and Representatives are against the "racial" and
"ethnic" profiling systems by the FBI and CIA. But the Democratic National
Committee pulled South Carolina's primary forward to give more importance
to the Black voters, Nevada's was pulled forward because the DNC wanted
to appeal to the Hispanic voters, the DNC allowed another state to pull
their primary forward because of another demographic group, etc.. The DNC
didn't want Michigan and North Carolina's black vote going to Obama and
deflating Hillary's inevitable Presidency. The above information came from a
DNC representative on NPR (National Public Radio). So who exactly is the
"racist" and anti ethnic organization now? And if the FBI and CIA can't use
profiling, why did the DNC's actions follow racist and ethnic marketing
strategies?

The 2008 Michigan Democratic Primary was a farce and an embarrassment
to the election process envisioned by the founding fathers. Ballot rigging
isn't just happening in 3rd world countries, its happening here in the USA.

As for "writer28″…since Hillary "won" Michigan, the DNC will probably now allow
MI delegates to help Hillary hit the delegate requirement.

Joan, New York, NY   January 16th, 2008 8:06 am ET

mmmmm. looks like we have quite a few comments from The Clinton Machine.

waterprise2   January 16th, 2008 8:07 am ET

You can't "win" when you're the only one on the ballot! The story is that 47% voted against her…even with all of the confusion of the Primary.

That 47% is also important for the dividing of the delegates…it is NOT winner-take-all…

She did NOT get 60%…she got 55%….that is important…because she needed that 60% to "woo" her financial backers.

If you're the only one on the ballot…why couldn't you get a plurality for yourself?

That 60% is also important because that is what the Dems need in the Senate to pass bills.

If you can't get 60% all by yourself, how can you ever unite the country to get anything done?

Oh, I forgot…she doesn't have to unite the country…she's gonna do it all by herself…it's all about HER…that's why she left her name on the ballot…no integrity for the Democratic Party…

But the REAL story is all of the endorsements and support (especially from Red State Dems) for Barack Obama since his 2% "loss" in NH. Since last Wednesday the endorsement count is: Clinton–ZERO; Obama…so many it's hard to keep up!

Two more overnight!!

This says that only Obama can unite the country, win in the Red States, and actually get something done for ALL of America…not just the Bush-Clinton-Bush dynasty!

AH   January 16th, 2008 8:08 am ET

Every time I watch CNN or visit this web site, I am more deeply saddened by the so-called news. Clinton is a viable candidate, and it is a historic moment to have a woman as the front-runner. Why, then, must CNN (and other news outlets) continue to tell us she is not? Clearly, Obama is the preferred candidate of the liberal news media. Maybe CNN should issue a statement to us explaining why. Meanwhile, let Clinton have her victories - she's a smart, successful, and capable woman, and the more CNN and others tell me otherwise, the more I lean toward watching a certain other news channel that, while I disagree with its views, at least treats all of the dems with an equal amount of hatred and ridicule.

If you need someone to ridicule, run a few more Britney stories.

Nancy   January 16th, 2008 8:09 am ET

Kudos to the commenters here who recognize this piece of news frippery for the yellow journalism it is. Shame on you CNN.

Kris   January 16th, 2008 8:09 am ET

"Mitt Romney scored his first win in the 2008 presidential race Tuesday with a victory in the Republican primary"

This is the first sentence of CNN's lead story this morning, too bad it is incorrect. Romney won Wyoming. He referred to his performance as "two silvers, one gold". Now he has another "gold". Please check your basic facts, before writing headlines.

wh   January 16th, 2008 8:09 am ET

Hillary's numbers in Michigan were still higher than the uncommitted voter. It seems a bit strange that CNN would report that the Michigan vote was "grim" for Hillary. Stop the spin and just let the primaries play out. It is hard enough to figure out who will be the best president without the media constantly spinning stories.

Peace   January 16th, 2008 8:12 am ET

I'm not a mathematician, but it seems like to me Clinton would have still won even if Obama and Edwards were on the ticket.

How about the story being," Clinton Refuses to Abandon Michigan Even Though There is No Political Gain in it for her" - Try that CNN.

I used to like CNN, but I'm beginning to wonder if Fox News is even more "fair and balanced" than you are now.

Serious Voter-MUST READ   January 16th, 2008 8:13 am ET

CNN- why won't you post my opinion? I have tried twice to get my post up and it disappears…

Might it be that I have real news and you don't want it reported????

Might it ruin your darling Obama?

I won't stop posting until voters see eho he really is and how BIAS you really are!!!!

CNN is bias and won't post my opinion becase I have something that voters MUST SEE!

Please Educate yourselves…I will get my information accross…LOOK AT THE POSTINGS ABOVE AND READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH of the posting by SUPER TUESDAY VOTER and follow up on the suggestion! PLEASE Go to the about us page on the website. It is true. It is factual and it is astounding if you are an American citizen voting for a President of the WHOLE USA!!!!!

PLEASE DO IT AND POST, POST , POST. We ahve to educate people because CNN and the rest will not die to their horrific bias!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tom, Boston Ma   January 16th, 2008 8:13 am ET

CNN rarely disappoints me: it screens out 80% of my comments. CNN pushes the agenda of 30% of the population. hmmm… sounds familiar, people? remember: if you're reading your comments on CNN blogs, it's because your ideas are either lame or they belong to the conscience-less, brain-less bottom 30% of the population. OK, just every now and then, you manage to fool the CNN "moderators"… none the less, want to know what's wrong with the state of the Union? just read CNN blogs.

Mariann Pepitone   January 16th, 2008 8:15 am ET

I watched the debate last night and both Edwards and Obama could never explain the issues like Hillary Clinton and she had a right to keep her name on the ballot. The took their names off because of the date but they did not have to do that. She explains everything in detail and believe me Edwards and Obama are no great speakers. The only reason for the unions backing Obama is that they don't want Bill Clinton in the white house. In the Michigan primary Hillary got 55% of the vote and 40% uncommitted. 40% would be split between Edwards and Obama so Hillary would have won anyway. She did the smart thing they were the dummies.Edwards is going nowhere and Obama will not win the nomination. There are too many states to cover yet and remember one thing there are many blacks that will vote for Clinton. Some of Obama's previous speeches were copied from JFK because he cannot make speeches on this own. Obama might give Hillary a good fight but he will not win. And Hillary will give a republican a good fight for the presidency. Richards cannot make up his mind to endorse but he did work in the Clinton administration. Of course there is extreme jealousy regarding Hillary running for president not only because she is a woman but she accomplished her goals in life and many people that tried failed. Bill Clinton did the same, he became president twice so the people had to like him. I believe Hillary will win the nomination and possibly the presidency but that will be a tougher fight.

Greg in OH   January 16th, 2008 8:18 am ET

The point CNN was trying to make was that even with NO OTHER CHOICE on the ballot, 45% of Democrats would not vote for Hillary. People don't bring up that over 65,000 Democrats crossed over and voted for a Republican.

Question: What was the exit poll for those who voted for Hillary would vote if Obama and Edwards were on the ballot? They showed the poll for the uncommitted breakdown.

Plus any absentee votes with write-in for Edwards or Obama were thrown out, this was on the news( plus this was MI law). How many votes there?

How many didn't go vote since Obama and Edwards were not on the ballot? How many votesthere?

No one knows what it would have been if Edwards and Obama were on the ballot so guessing doesn't really matter. Either way it doesn't count and shouldn't count as a win for anyone.

Kim, Dallas, TX   January 16th, 2008 8:20 am ET

I get such a kick out of the Michigan Democratic race. It is so totally meaningless. I have a background in statistical analysis….Just think about it….if you were in favor of either Obama or Edwards, you most likely stayed home knowing that there was no real point of voting as there were no delegates to earn. The Democats that did get out last night 1…understood the uncommitted vote (some of these bloggers didn't even get it-you can't write in a candidates name). 2….. wanted to show support for Clinton. 3……couldn't care less knowing it was a meaningless poll. 4…or many Democrats voted for McCain. Also, the Independents didn't show up knowing that their typical support of Obama didn't mean anything at all either. So, the data that they got last night could not really hold much water. Now, what they are trying to find from who did show up is random polling results and statistical analysis. When those who did show up from the black community were overwhelmingly not for Clinton, it does have meaning.

Dana Tipton   January 16th, 2008 8:20 am ET

Can someone explain what happens to the delegates that were taken away from Michigan and other states who decided to have early primaries? Do they go to another state or does the total number of delegates needed to secure the nomination go down? And why did they even bother to have democrats vote in Michigan when there were no delegates to be given out. It sounds like a waste of time to me.

Crane   January 16th, 2008 8:20 am ET

Don't you think it would have been more accurate of CNN to say "The Michigan primary vote was essentially meaningless" and of the 70% of Michigan African-Americans who chose to vote in this "essentially meaningless primary" they chose Obama? Let's try not to slant things the way you want them and let the American voters chose the candidate they like based on their stance on major issues. If you can't do that, why not just come right out and join the campaign trail - say for Obama - and not subject us to your "reports" on any the elections until after November?

JR   January 16th, 2008 8:20 am ET

Is Ted Turner a Obama supporter?

Eric   January 16th, 2008 8:20 am ET

I have been reading these "ticker" blogs for months… Everyday there are accusations that one or another candidate is CNN's preffered candidate. I have heard "CNN = Clinton News Network" many times and it got really tired. The fact of the matter is that there are things that happen on the campaign trail that are positive or negative for a particular candidate, and it is not bias to report on these events, either side. The fact that the black vote in Michigan has quickly fallen behind Barack is a story and has huge implications for South Carolina.

On another note. I find it a little wierd that so many democrats seem to be bothered by blacks supporting Obama. The black vote has always been a huge constituency of the Democratic party, and their vote was always sought as an important block. It is not playing the "race card" (if I hear this stupid cliche again I am going to get sick) to go after this vote. The obvious uneasiness of democratic voters to a black candidate is surprising to me… Guess I was naive.

Ed,Ellenville,New York   January 16th, 2008 8:22 am ET

Tom,Boston- I belong to the top .01 % of the population in terms of IQ and I have no problem with the moderators. Your posts are either abusive or insulting and that's why they're not here. I think you must be in the lesser category.

Evie the evil Evelyn   January 16th, 2008 8:25 am ET

I agree with Barbara … January 16, 2008 6:50 am ET
Wait a minute. It's 'acceptable' for Obama and his campaign strategists to look to 'rallying' the black and young female vote, but racist or sexist for Clinton and her campaign strategists to rally 'rally' the non-black and female vote?

I agree with Nick, "stop the anti-Clinton" campaign. It could be seen as 'sexist' by some women. Of course, so far we've yet to hear any feminists get on the 'anti' bandwagon. I wish I could say the same for those who favour Obama and jump at every opportunity to cry foul whenever anyone says anything that even remotely smacks of a challange to Obama on anything.

Double standards here folks.

It's time we vote for who is best suited to get us out of the mess created by our current criminal in chief … AND, I just heard Mr. Obama said Florida votes? are worthless.

Nice …

Sherry in Kentucky   January 16th, 2008 8:25 am ET

I've just skimmed the responses, but it seems to me folks are not realizing that most democratic voters did not vote in MI because they knew their vote was not going to count. If my candidate was not on the ballot, I would likely not bother going to the polls either. Don't automatically see this as a Clinton win.

John, Wahington DC   January 16th, 2008 8:25 am ET

It would be interested to know what percentage of the Detroit AA vote she received, compared to the state average. I'm guessing it would be much less than 25%. In all my travels throughout this beautiful land of ours the worst bigotry I have experienced was in Detroit. Made Richmond look like "It's a Small World".

King NC   January 16th, 2008 8:25 am ET

I don't see the problem. She is the only hope we have. Black or White should be
able to see that.

rheider   January 16th, 2008 8:26 am ET

have suggestions about putting the money , which has been taken out of Social Security, replaced by our pork barrel politicians. We are not getting any answers from our potential leaders.

Anonymous   January 16th, 2008 8:26 am ET

I cannot bear to read articles from CNN or listen to their broadcasts.

You are so anti-Clinton, it is pathetic — it bears no resemblance to news or reporting.

And Obama played the race card —- not the Clintons — and he continues to play it and play it. His strategists need to rein in this "black" thing that is taking on a mammoth, scary life of its own.

Jimmy   January 16th, 2008 8:27 am ET

CNN can support whosoever they please….Obama is going to win anyway

carlo   January 16th, 2008 8:29 am ET

I think that some of you are missing the point. Hillary did not win. Think of it this way-if that many people, who knew that their votes wouldn't be counted, went out in the snow to vote "uncommiitted", that does not ring well for the Clinton campaign. Obama called for a "truce", and it is not his fault that CNN continues to print what they do. Last time I checked, Obama is not on CNN's board of directors. Does Clinton have her campaigners going on every website alleging conspiracy? Remember the laughable "right wing conspiracy" theory? It seemed ridiculous when she said it, and it was proven ridiculous after her husband's presidency, when he and Bush became best buds and golfing partners.

King NC   January 16th, 2008 8:29 am ET

Black or White, she is the only hope we have. Give me a break. Maybe Obama
could be her vp and all would be happy

Susan   January 16th, 2008 8:29 am ET

I think the key to reason here is a good old fashioned …."Time will tell…" and "We will have just wait and see" Sometimes all the Media Spin can actually hurt all candidates and the presidential process….. I am a loyal Obama Supporter for his calm and thoughtful reasoning skills as well as his ability to inspire the citizens of this nation….We shouldn't be voting for the next president of the United States on the basis of Gender or Race, but unfortunately it has come up and I agree that the Media is largely to blame for fueling the furor over race and/or gender….In all the the Media's excitement and enthusiasm over the upcoming presidential election, I feel they must be mindful of the potential harm they may be doing by jumping on "every little thing" and blowing things out of proportion…..but that being said, I am still glad we are finally having some enthusiasm in our country (media included) regarding the potential for…… (I refuse to use the word change…I dont want to overkill a good thing LOL)
…..a new tomorrow full of potential for the things we can become and to heal the past and make amends with other nations we have offended due to our own "fear based actions". I believe that Obama stands for that with Calm and Thoughtful reason and an open mind.. which is the exact opposite of Old School Washington…We have had the Bush Dynasty …We have had the Clinton Dynasty we need new leadership in Washington….Obama is the person to get that job done…

Amy, Kazoo   January 16th, 2008 8:30 am ET

CNN, you're getting worse with each passing day. I voted in the primary yesterday. You can't say with any degree of certainty who those "uncommitted" votes would go to. There weren't people standing outside every polling station asking questions either. You probably asked 100 people and called it a realistic survey. It's not. Didn't you learn anything from the NH primary? Stop throwing your numbers around to spin your Pro-Obama campaign and stop being so biased against Hillary Clinton. You're starting to lose alot of respect as a media outlet.

Voter who reads   January 16th, 2008 8:30 am ET

CNN you are so bias! Hillary would have won anyway and this is your big news?
Talk about bias and racism? You have to be kidding me???

I was going to vote for Obama, thee unifier.
But, i did my research and not a chance! Research for yourseles, people.

Please take the suggestion and search for Barack Obama's church and see if you still think he is a unifier. The tucc. org / about. htm church is the biggest racist church I have ever seen. It is totally for Blacks and Africa and very anti-white in its philosophy. Try replacing the word "black" on the website with "white" and it would be called a cult or a clan church! I cannot believe he calls himself a uniter and for a President of the USA, I don't think Africa sould come first!

OMG. please do it. Read the about us page and think about this country and your vote.

CNN what else are you hiding about your media darling????

J. McKinney SW MO   January 16th, 2008 8:31 am ET

HILLARY '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

John in Detroit   January 16th, 2008 8:31 am ET

As a Detroit voter, the third choice was to vote only for local initiatives on a non-partisan ballot. I haven't seen how many voters took this option, which seemed like the most sensible one to me. By participating in the partisan ballot voters gave the parties exclusive rights to data while sending zero delegates to the Democratic, and half the usual delegates to the Republican conventions. At the same time it reinforces the stranglehold the two parties have on our electoral system, ensuring continued rule by the one, true, Theocratic party.

There is little substantive difference among the leading candidates, regardless of declared party. They all hold fast that they believe in the supernatural, which means they are all liars or fools.

Congratulations to Captain Magic Underpants on his Republican primary win. Congratulations to the junior senator from New York on crossing the "picket line" for a big win worth ZERO delegates.

Congratulations to Michigan on keeping unknown amounts of money being spent here campaigning and covering campaigning in the dead of winter.

Michelle, AL   January 16th, 2008 8:32 am ET

First of all, this story is posted TWICE on the same page. Why don't you post a story about the debate last night that tells how Hillary OWNED Edwards and Obama on that stage. She answered questions in such a presidential manner. She showed she had a true knowledge of the issues, instead of just reiterating the same points that she's been talking about over the last year. This woman KNOWS the ins and outs of politics. Obama looked like he was half asleep, and Edwards appeared to try to squeeze in the "middle class dilemma" in every answer he gave.

Hillary talked about the IMF and the World Bank, about windfall profits, about a specific plan to help the environment. She knows her stuff.

This is coming from a conservative voter who has no intention of voting Democrat, but Hillary may make me change my mind. While I disagree with her on many social issues, I really believe that she can get things done and turn this country back in the right direction. She even called George Bush's begging the Saudis for more oil "pathetic"!

She also used her one question that she was allotted to ask one of the other candidates to ask Obama to co-sponsor legislation with her to stop Bush from committing our troops to another 10 years (at least) to a prescence in Iraq. I think that was political GENIUS.

So COME ON, CNN.. write this story about Clinton, not how she's bound to fail because in some hypothetical situation some people might not maybe possibly vote for her if this and that happen and Mars is aligned with Jupiter in the 3rd quarter and the Giants win the Super Bowl.

Alex   January 16th, 2008 8:33 am ET

I agree, I want numbers not percents. 70 percent of how many people. It is nice people want to make a point, but to me it's a protest vote and should be discussed as such. Really CNN, I watch you and read you everyday, I am not dumb (others may disagree on that notion). I am tired of numbers and percentages being selectively used.

Jonimaree   January 16th, 2008 8:33 am ET

Polls? Puleeeeze. As has been proven, they're of no value due to news organization bias.

Lisa   January 16th, 2008 8:33 am ET

For everyone that says that Hilary's numbers show that she would have won, take into account all of the Obama/Edwards supporters that stayed home and didn't vote. Then add all of the votes that she got because people felt that "Uncommitted" was a wasted vote (And a number of the people interviewed who voted for Clinton did so for only that reason), and shut up about how she "clearly won" the election. It was hypocritical of her to stay on the ballot and then refuse to campaign in the state (because she had no other competition really, so why even bother). Just shows how screwed up the Democratic Party is in the state of Michigan. Won't be surprised if the state goes to the Republican candidate in November, followed by a Republican in the next Governor's election (and I vote Democrat). I, for one, am disgusted by the entire party in Michigan.

Eric   January 16th, 2008 8:34 am ET

Only hope we have?!? Listen Hillary is no Obi Wan Kanobi. She is actually much more "Mars Attacks" Ack-Ack-Ack-Ack-Ack!!!!

Achamma   January 16th, 2008 8:34 am ET

I think knowingly people are twisting the truth. I think Hillary Clinton is an honest and dedicated civil rights' advocate. I also think all she meant with her comment s about Lyndon Johnson was that just like he (Johnson) listened to Martin Luther King and the civil rights' leaders, she expects t o listen to the people's concern and issues and pass the needed legislation to get the country moving in the right direction especially in the issues on equality, privilages for the minority where improperly denied, etc. It is a shame this truth was twisted and the media did not help much either.

AJ; Montpelier, VT   January 16th, 2008 8:35 am ET

Eric you posted: "On another note. I find it a little wierd that so many democrats seem to be bothered by blacks supporting Obama. The black vote has always been a huge constituency of the Democratic party, and their vote was always sought as an important block. It is not playing the "race card" (if I hear this stupid cliche again I am going to get sick) to go after this vote. The obvious uneasiness of democratic voters to a black candidate is surprising to me… Guess I was naive."

I dont think it's a matter of uneasiness to a black candidate. It's uneasiness to a population that will vote for a candidate simply because he is black. Dont kid yourself, much of the support that Obama is now enjoying comes from a certain segment of the white electorate that is voting for him simply due to his race. They see it as progressive and opened minded. Insted of trying to figure out the best candidate for the job, Black voters and some whites are supporting for Obama simply because he is a viable black candidate. But I think it will be really telling if Obama should win the nomination, if there is going to be a white backlash. White voters who will vote Republican or stay home in November. If this happens there will be stomping of feet and tearing hair and everyone will be screamng racist. However where are these screams now when the black community supports someone just because he is black?
All in all it's going to be an interesting and infuriating election cycle.

So Eric, I dont care whether you are sick of hearing about the race card. The fact of the matter is, until both sides can stop playing it, its going to be a factor whether you like it or not.

Jose   January 16th, 2008 8:35 am ET

How can you win a state when you weren't supposed to be running in the state anyway? I guess if I hold an election and put myself up as the only candidate, I bet I could win too.

Come on, news media, get a clue - don't report this as she won because she didn't. That is unless of course you bought, paid for and biased by her campaign.

Kelvin C. from Maryland   January 16th, 2008 8:36 am ET

I am so sick and tired of the media and those persons that have turned this contest into a race/sexist driven frenzy. This is why we (U.S.) are suffering now. Because our principles and decisions are based on immoral values, economics and popularity. Voting has gotten to be really depressing. The only reason why I vote is because my ancestors fought and died for this right. So everytime I vote, I honor them. I don't care if the next President is black, yellow, or white. And I don't care if it is a woman, democrat or republican. I just want that person to do a good job. We better get it right this time because the rest of the world is watching.

Paul   January 16th, 2008 8:36 am ET

This race thing was started by the Clinton people and she was not capable holding his stuff accountable for it. I think the Clintons should be ashamed of themselves for being so low. I think the realty is that the Democratic Party is largely constituted of women and blacks. Accusing or slamming the blacks for nothing just to win the democratic nomination may work for Hillary camp for a short time but I guaranteed you that even if she wins the nomination she WON’T be president. She will loose not only black’s votes but also independents. She needs to put a break to this before it’s too late.

Hillary Clinton should be very worried about these findings….this is just in Michigan…put it in perspective of general election and you will get the big picture!!!

Robin Kentucky   January 16th, 2008 8:36 am ET

ENOUGH NOW!!!! This is ridiculous ( The Race Issue), why are we talking race? We all know that the Clinton's have stood for Civil, Human and Woman's rights. How can anyone not know that! The race issue was not ringing through our television and on our radio's when Iowa was Caucusing where only 2% of that population was African American. Had all this started then, I think the outcome would have been different! In Iowa people looked at Obama as a " Man with a message", he was engaging and inspiring. Though his skin was browner than the people he addressed, the issue were " The Issues" and not the pigment of his skin. I have to wonder " Why" this is coming into play now? Could it just be that 45% of South Carolina is African American?
The media's roll; I find this to be almost to the point of insulting. I am learning to watch only the live debates and cspan. There I find " The Truth" what was really said and how it was said and what it was meant to say. Undistorted, unanalyzed and no need to elaborate. For instance, in Iowa which is a heavily Methoist Evangilcal state. I watched angerly as Michelle Obama address supporters and delivered a powerful statement " How can we elect a woman to run our country who cannot even run her own household". Why I ask is this not plastered all over the World News? We don't have to ask Michelle, what do you mean by that statement, who were you refering too! I did not put question marks because there is no question about that statement. The media has that archived and will not be using it today. Instead they will pick apart the words of a woman who not only understands this battle but willing to take it on for you and me.

Anonymous   January 16th, 2008 8:37 am ET

jd in the ville January 16, 2008 6:22 am ET

"Knowinghow how most people are, I would guess that this will rally the whites."

What does this comment mean?

If you represent the Clinton vote, I am no longer undecided I am casting my vote for Obama…. Obama-Edwards….

Jim, Columbus, OH   January 16th, 2008 8:37 am ET

The Hillary Clinton supporters are overreacting to this. The article says "potentially troubling." Big deal….

D in Michigan's Hood   January 16th, 2008 8:38 am ET

I voted in the MI primary yesterday and the feeling I got, despite very very low voter turn out was that a lot of people believed they could list Barak Obama as a write-in candidate. At my polls, there was no instruction concerning Edwards and Obama not participating in the primary. I saw two voters that were in complete confusion about the absence of those two candidates.

I cast the 167 ballot at my polling location and this was after work at about 5:30 pm!!….disappointing.

Anonymous   January 16th, 2008 8:39 am ET

this is too funny, as a democrat, and as a intelligent reader you can pretty much see that this ticker and peoples comments in this blog bull in the sense its trying to polarize America.

Cnn trying to paint the picture as if all uncommitted voters were all black
or
that either campaign is trying to play the race or gender card. i watched the debate last night and all candidates did a astounding job.

It breaks my heart to see everyone being so negative since America as is IS a super power and is yet so divided. Imagine if America was united… it truly is a terrifying thing cause we would be unstoppable.

The candidates in my view and there policies are too similar so far at this point, but in "my opinion" "im" going to vote obama, since "i" believe he can pull everyone together for 4yrs or more of presidency. First time in a long time i feel good about politics.

Blayze Kohime, Columbus OH   January 16th, 2008 8:39 am ET

The people I see here commenting that CNN is 'anti-clinton' are inane. The Obama supporters I have seen saying the same thing about them being 'anti-obama' so its really just a matter of perspective and if you like the story. The real people they are anti are all the minor candidates other than the top three, who have been nearly omitted from all media reports because they didn't have enough campaign finances to buy the support of the large corporations of which CNN's parent company is a part.

John, Tampa   January 16th, 2008 8:41 am ET

I am sure the Republican party is eating this up…I mean I am a strong Democratic supporter, but I will not just vote the party line, just because…and If Hillary is the choice I WILL be voting Republican

Corey   January 16th, 2008 8:42 am ET

You people really need to wake up, and stop supporting Hillary. She has absolutely no chance in hell in winning the general election mainly because of just who she is. No Republican in their right mind would ever even think about voting for her so she just lost about half of the vote right there. There are many, many Democrats that have an unfavorable view of her and will NEVER vote for her no matter what including me. In Michigan that percentage was 40%. If Obama gets the nomination like he hopefully will, then there will be no problem winning the white house, and the same goes for Edwards to some extent. But if you people keep voting for Hillary then we will most certainly have 4 more years of another republican, so we will have nothing to do but to blame Hillary Clinton Supporters.

Tim   January 16th, 2008 8:43 am ET

So does anyone know what % of the African-Americans in MI who actually voted or participated in the primary? It sure would be nice if we had a reliable news organization reporting the political news.

andy k   January 16th, 2008 8:43 am ET

Hillary expected a coronation–when it didnt happen, she and her husband resorted to the ruthless and calculatd "win at all costs" mentality. She may well win the battle (the Monination) but lose the war (election).

And these posters need to drop the "blame the messenger" mentality–every major news feed is commenting on the fact that almost 40% of voters lodged a protest vote against Hilary.

Replace the Establishment   January 16th, 2008 8:44 am ET

Seems the only people worried about how well Ron Paul is doing are those big government people and those stealing from the taxpayers!

We can finally see the Democrats are full of racists in their party and that is only one reason we do not need a dem in the White House!

Greg, NY   January 16th, 2008 8:45 am ET

For those that think if Obama or Edwards were on the ballot, they would have only split that 45% of non-committed votes, you are wrong. Think about all the people that didn't even go because they knew that their vote doesn't really count.

Also, an overwhelming amount of Democrats voted for a Republican. If Obama or Edwards had been on the ballot, many more Democrats would have actually bothered to go vote and many more would have voted for one of them instead of a Republican.

The fact that 45% voted non-committed is astounding in itself because that many people DID bother to go out and vote against Hillary.

Jim Wade, IA   January 16th, 2008 8:45 am ET

I am bathing in the tears of Hillary fanboys/girls. And they taste so sweet as well.

Greg in OH   January 16th, 2008 8:45 am ET

Hillary Supporters, why is Fox News' Rupert Murdock fundraising for Hillary?

Does this bother anyone else?

Brad, Charleston, SC   January 16th, 2008 8:45 am ET

Congrats, Michigan! Excellent thinking. Let's Go, South Carolina and remove the Clinton Dynasty!

Obama/Edwards '08

Keyshia Jackson   January 16th, 2008 8:46 am ET

If Martin Luther King were alive today is there any doubt in anyone's mind that he would enthusiastically be for Barack Obama? What has Hillary Clinton ever done for Black folks? NOTHING. The Clintons think they own the Black vote but not the vote of this young and proud Black female.

Kat Williams   January 16th, 2008 8:46 am ET

OK, this is ridiculous! Are you all so desperate to find SOMETHING to use against Hillary that you stoop so low as to make up "important" statistics? To say this is "bad news" is absurd. This was a primary that did not matter and one where no one even campaigned, yet you cite polls that show who might have voted for a candidate if she/he HAD been on the ballot-that is pretty convoluted. Stop with the anti-clinton campaign and act like an unbiased new network.

Greg in OH   January 16th, 2008 8:47 am ET

Those Hillary supporters who say they get their post delete since they are Hillary supporters. I get mine deleted (plus no sexist, racist, or profanity in them) too and I am for Obama. It is two sided, not just stacked against one side.

Chris, Orlando FL   January 16th, 2008 8:48 am ET

The only thing the Democratic candidates have going for them is one is black and the other is a woman/former first lady.

No one has shown that they have any of the qualifications (executive/ leadership) needed to be a successful President.

What a pathetic line-up.

Amy, Kazoo   January 16th, 2008 8:48 am ET

If voters were upset that they couldn't vote Obama or Edwards, they should be mad at Obama and Edwards. It's not the candidates' fault Jennifer Granholm moved up the Michigan primary against the rules, but there was only one top tier Democratic candidate who didn't run away and hide from MI. Only one candidate who said THE PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN MATTER. Obama and Edwards didn't have the courage to go against their party, obviously too scared of losing the nomination, and leave their names on the ballot. Granholm had their names there. They asked to have them removed. If they can't even fight this small little battle and take this stance for a state of people who really need them the most, then how are they going to lead this country?! cowardly.

mike kaplan   January 16th, 2008 8:48 am ET

Is it just a mistake, or something intentional, that as of this morning (Jan 16), this minor "horse race" story appears not once but TWICE on the CNN "ticker"? What the hell?????

It's a minor story, and yet CNN thinks it's so important that it has two run two copies of it on the same page? What's up with that?

Meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle, Pastor Mike Huckabee suggests that we need to change the Constitution to make it more in line with "god's law", and this isn't worthy of a story on CNN? A major candidate proposes making the Bible the law of the land instead of our Constitution, and this isn't news? CNN, what is wrong with you?

Rick Reid   January 16th, 2008 8:48 am ET

Oh Please!!! When are you going to learn to stop the exit polls!!! she still got 56% of the vote which means to me she got the majority of votes. You make it sound like the black vote and the young vote are the only ones who matter. When the nominee on the Democratic side is announced most of the vote will come back to the Democratic nominee.

I just wish you would stop being one sided on this and let the people vote for whom they want to vote for. How come the headline didn't read Potentially Troubling news for Obama…56% of "THE PEOPLE" voted for Clinton!!!!! You new guys are really getting pathetic if you think we listen to your negative analysis of everything.

Get with the program and stop analyzing everything and just take it for what it is and what the initial outcome is.

I wish you would pay attention to the issues instead of everything being black, white, young, old and every other faction you can think of. You're the ones that are racist!!!!!

Replace the Establishment   January 16th, 2008 8:50 am ET

Americans have dumbed down their education system until the last few years when again we are trying to get liberal school systems to test and actually have a score of some kind to gage progress, so it would not be too surprising that the media nor the Dems can calculate using available statistics, etc. If the african population in the U.S. is only about 15% with hispanic and other foreigners being around 16% then I guess that would leave 69% of something else in the majority. Case closed. As far as race goes unless the majority of Americans want a muslim in the White House then I would guess it will be a caucasian person.

AJ, IL   January 16th, 2008 8:50 am ET

I am an Obama supporter, but here we go again with the media and their polls and extrapolating meaningless results to an actual upcoming primary SC. News flash, no matter how convenient it is, you can not think "African-American" voters are monolithic. They all don't think the same.

Ralph   January 16th, 2008 8:50 am ET

Okay, let me get this straight, I didn't vote for Obama, therefore I'm a racist? Where did I read that, idiot? I heard it on every cable news show and talk radio show in America, IDIOT. I am a NH voter, I voted for Clinton. Clinton won the primary, or more accurately stated, Obama lost the primary. The assumption for the Obama Excuse Machine at CNN was that we were too racist to vote for a black man. The sad thing is, nobody asked me why I voted for Clinton. I am sick of no substance, slogan slinging, bumper sticker candidates saying "yeswecan" "I stand for change" and "hope". How does that help the economic situation specifically in this country. Obama is all about playing the race card. Sorry, I don't want to vote for a has been preacher, who is not allowed to be questioned by the media, and, has no detailed platform. I guess the voters in Iowa must hate white people. That is the logic people seem to want to use. Obama lost NH, because he lost. End of story, by by.

Roger   January 16th, 2008 8:50 am ET

Victory?!? Why is this ballot being portrayed as a "victory" for her? Who regards it as such?

Hillary Clinton participates in a rigged, Soviet-style election, in which her name is the only one that appears on the ballot. However, she is SO DESPISED by the American people that literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people — people from her own party, who might as well have stayed home because their votes weren't going to count anyway — ventured out in a brutal winter snowstorm to vote "uncommitted" against her!

Victory? Are you kidding me? I guess the people who run the major media outlets are fond of USSR-style elections.

TIRED OF THE IGNORANCE   January 16th, 2008 8:50 am ET

WHAT IS THE POINT OF POSTING NEGATIVE AND NASTY COMMENTS ABOUT EITHER CANDIDATE? WHY DON'T YOU SHUT UP AND JUST VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE OF CHOICE. ALL THIS SHOWS IS HOW IGNORANT WE ARE AS A COUNTRY. WE READ SOMETHING AND THE ATTACKS START AGAIN.

I GUESS WE WON'T BE SATISFIED UNTIL THEIR IS A RACE RIOT.

Must Read!!   January 16th, 2008 8:51 am ET

What do you think about this? CNN???
Do you want to try and spin this??

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian… Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Barack Obama's–the unifiers–church! Spin that CNN.
Spin that in your bias web!!!

See if you can smehow blame that on the people of America or Hillary.
Is this the great unifier!

CNN explain this failure in reporting!