MYRTLE BEACH, South Carolina (CNN) – Hillary Clinton constantly speaks in partisan terms - that she knows how to "fight" the Republicans - she's been doing it "for 16 years." It's very different from Obama, and it's a tone that is very appealing to many partisan Democrats that make up the majority of primary voters - but how will it play in a general election match up?
– CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider
The problem is not just beating the republican in the general elections. The problem is if a candidates wins can they raly the American people behind them an d push their agenda in congress. The people will not raly behind you until they truth you. Obama has cross party appeal and that makes him the best person to implement his policy. With Hillary, the 60 vote threhod in the Senate will be her biggest hill to climb. Republicans, many of whom, may still have old scores to settle with the clintons from the 1990s will make sure nothing is done and her presidency should be a failure. At the end of the day, it will be the American people who will suffer. Why will 300 milion people go through these same old fights of the 1990s so that Billary can achive their fantasy.
Wake up people. President Barack Obama will have the support of congress from both parties to realise many of the Democratic agenda; Healthcare, energy security, public work reconstruction, etc etc.
The Democrats have divided this country, only they can undo it. Hillary promises to prolong, and fuel division in this country.
America has a chance to bring about a fundamental change in the way we are perceived world wide, as well an opportunity to unite this country. I am saddened that so many of my fellow Americans are afraid to go this route. I will fight tooth and nail to see this change come to fruition. I only wish more people were willing to stand up for the new direction this country must go, as opposed to remain in their status quo comfort zone.
BTW..in head to head polls on RealClearPolitics between Republican and Democratic candidates, Obama blows Hillary out of the water in each match up. Check it out for yourselves. If Hillary gets the nomination, she won't win the general election, and when those of you who supported her are crying in your beers, I'll be proud of the choice that I made to support Obama, and pissed off that America let a profound opportunity slip right through it's fingers.
Hillary "won" 3 out of 4 states, yet Obama still has more delegates. And so far, out of the Clinton camp, we've had allegations of voting machine fraud in one state, allegations of voter intimidation in another, and a lawsuit over previously agreed to caucus sites in a third. And this is only 4 states into the primary.
Hillary is so divisive. She cannot win a general election.
I think that we need to see the differences between the candidates & there is nothing wrong with debate....If you remember Obama & Edwards started this negative crap with their wives & then once BiIl & Hillary started fighting back the media gets to spinning and we are where we are today. One thing for sure Obama can not take it he acted like a spoiled kid last night in the debate & it is for certain that he is not ready to take on the GOP. Edwards was very impressive in the debate & Clinton sure held her own with Obama. I have made up my mind not to support Obama, he acted like a bully.
Watching Hillary, all I can think about is how polarizing she is, how many political debts she has, and how she'll deal with Republican congressmen and women who hate her. Shock radio and 'fox' pseudo-news programing will have a field day with her in office.
I think Edwards and Obama can navigate getting legislation through and realizing a mandate more than Clinton. Bill had the possiblity of a mandate and squandered it on failed healthcare reform (led by Hillary) and his affair. How much of that sticks to Hillary? In reality, he was a centrist who helped usher us out fiscally away from Reaganomics – not much else. He lost congress and the presidency (not backing Gore sufficiently against Bush).
Edwards stands for reform and Obama talks the talk. Together, Edwards and Obama are much more unifying figures who can capitalize on that when it comes to leading the American people and getting Congress behind that agenda.
At his death, MLK was talking about us getting out of Viet Nam and global economic injustice. His legacy was not yet realized as a global leader, of social justice, beyond race.
In his letter from a Birmingham jail, he challenged everyone (the majority) sitting on the sideline to become "creative extremists," which in my view was for every one of us to step into the frame of social activism and social enterprise initiatives to help and pick up those being left behind. We all have a role in re-making this democracy what it can be, rather than letting the haters make cynics out of all of us.
Who will get us there? Edwards/Obama
Hillary wants to win at any cost – even if she brings down her own party. Her only chance of gaining the nomination is to alienate and diseffect enough traditional Dems to take the center. She's a hawkish centrist who plays old school politics. Same old/same old thing. Is that what we want? It makes for a risky general election for the general campaign for us Dems.
We Dems need to keep our eyes on the prize. We win with either Edwards or Obama. Edwards delegates are much more likely to go Obama than Clinton. A vote for either Edwards or Obama will help broker a true winner for the general election.
Did Hillary answer Edwards' question about campaign $$$ from lobbiests? She poo-pooed the question as so many degrees of seperation She extrapolated that if she took $$$ from a lobbiest, who is to say Edwards didn't take money from the spouse of a lobbiest, as if to imply, who really cares!!?. Well, I care. I think America cares. Doesn't it matter if we're going to change 'politics as usual?' I thought her answer was flip and showed disdain for those who really want to see change.
Did you notice that at the beginning of the debate, Hillary paid homage to the Black Congressional Caucus, but went right into policy wonk mode and overlooked the opportunity to say something about the MLK legacy. I was surprised that Obama kind of fumbled his openning. Yet, it was Edwards who gave the most respectful, succinct response, bringing up his unfinished legacy of economic justice, that also dovetailed nicely into the overall economic question. But, Hillary's brazen pandering to the congressional representatives in the audience was astonishing. She got something in later, but, whew, her focus is clear to me… win through expediency.
Sure Hillary is going to DIVIDE this contry. Please keep her away from the White House. Time to end the Clinton Dynasty. Otherwise we will end up being like the middle east countries where kings are from the same family. In another 8 years we will be seeing Chelse in for the white house race...
Hillary just continues the puppet show. it's Dems vs GOP!!! yeah, whatever. they're bought and paid for. answering to the CFR, international bankers and corporations.
Hillary is just as divisive as Bush is. Partisan politics don't work.
Anyone but Hitlary '08!
She is who she is... a woman who tolerates a despicable, nasty husband and accepts his mean, personal, and powerful (he is MR. PRESIDENT) attacks on her opponent as welcome positive additions to her campaign. She wants to fight, attack, win (after 35 yrs) and her frustration and anger are evident and she has a right to her feelings.REMEMBER the pain and shame? Remember OUR pain and shame? But let's see her for what she is... still a pawn, an angry pawn, still being used by her husband, still striving and struggling to be somebody. Well, not on my watch, thank you very much!! Enough already about being "ready on the first day". I can see it now, God forbid, Bill in all his glory, snuggling arm around his little woman, and her still wondering, "When will it be my turn?". As co-president, no matter how fancy her pants suits become, she'll never be Mrs. President... merely the wife of good ol' boy (and I do mean boy) Bill. But there's not much chance of that. I believe ANY Republican can beat her.
Pain and shame my eye! The man is responisble for the best economy in history. Wake up people. Obama is certainly capable of a rousing speech but it will take someone as tough as Hillary to get anything accomplished.