MYRTLE BEACH, South Carolina (CNN) – Hillary Clinton constantly speaks in partisan terms - that she knows how to "fight" the Republicans - she's been doing it "for 16 years." It's very different from Obama, and it's a tone that is very appealing to many partisan Democrats that make up the majority of primary voters - but how will it play in a general election match up?
– CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider
The only candidate to win a a Red State was Senator John Edwards. Senator Clinton and Senator Obama won in Blue States. If Senator Edwards can carry North & South Carolina, the Democrats can win the White House. The other two candidates may not be able to carry sufficient Red States for the Democrats to regain the White House. Senator Edwards is the ONLY candidate who can carry a majority of the South, to win the White House. Clinton and Obama have already divided the Democratic Party with their fighting. The only candidate that can unite the party and win Red States is Edwards which is only way to WIN the White House.
The bottom line is Hillary plan to anything starts with "I" and Obama message is all about "We". Just like he reference in his speech we are the United State of America!!!!
The thing is, in order to move forward, we need to expand and grow the progressive movement.
Obama and Edwards can both do this.
Hillary cannot grow the party, and neither can she attract independants. A Hillary Clinton democratic candidate in the General would just hand the country to the GOP for another four years.
Every American can have healthcare. The quality of healthcare will not suffer anymore than it does now. Americans can have what Canada has and even more.
Why are my posts always in permanent "Your comment is awaiting moderation". People are saying things on this blog way worse than I. Is it just because I am saying that I am a Democrat that will never vote for Hillary because of her divisiveness? What is wrong with that? It is true and reflects the opinions half of the Democrats. After how the Clinton's have tag-teamed on Obama, I think it would be fair to say that most Obama supporters will not be voting for Hillary in the general election should she win the Democratic nomination.
This isn't like 2004 when Democrats held their nose but still voted for Kerry. The slash and burn style of the Clintons has really made me start to hate them. That is coming from someone who is a lifelong Democrat, been an Officer in a local Democratic Party, and volunteered for muliple Democratic campaigns.
I would rather vote for McCain. Both him and Hillary are evil, but at least McCain would only be in there for 4 years, if that.
I think the U,S,A, is going down the toilet and taking Canada with them
John Edwards speaks the clearest. Hillary speaks with authority. Barack Obama has the vision. All have political experience. What is most important to me, as a Democrat, is our standing in the world; how we come across to the rest of the world. The people of the world are so interconnected with each other today than forty or twenty years ago. As each day passes, my soul is looking toward Barack as the blessing that this world needs.
OBAMA in 08.... America is not a rotating dynasty for the Bush and Clinton families... Clinton did a great job in office, but his wife is the most divisive figure in the democratic party...remember McCain can pull Dems and Independents...Hillary can only pull from the base... Billary's republican campaign tactics will depress the democratic vote and McCain will win...simple.
I DON'T want Canada's health care system, thanks.
Hillary does not speak for all woman!!!!!
John McCain will eat Hillary alive because she has agreed with almost every stupid Bush policy on this war. She tried to look strong by supporting the war, but it bit her in the posterior. On the other hand, Obama was against this war from the beginning, (when it was unpopular to be against the war.) That was true leadership then and it is what will help him win the Presidency against a Republican if we Democrats are smart enough to give him a chance.
When Hillary "Found her voice", for that moment that she actually spoke with that voice, she sounded like John Edwards.
If nominated, the only thing the repubs would have to say about Hillary is this:
We have had a Bush or Clinton in the White House since the 1980s and guess what America, this year, the Republicans are breaking the dynasty of these two families!
That one issue alone will win the presidency for the Republicans if Hillary is nominated!
What a ridiculous question! Of course Hillary speaks in partisans terms. These are the primaries. Her target audience is made up of Democrats.
“How will it play in a general election match up?” The question is moot. Hillary is a skilled rhetorician and when the general election takes place, she will adjust her tone to be more inclusive to all voters.
"Question for the commentators:
Who speaks the clearest, and with the most authority and vision? Who has years of political experience?"
Answer for the commentators:
Barack Obama. More years in elected public office than both Hillary and John Edwards. Obama stands head and shoulders above the others with the ability to inspire others to stand up with integrity and work hard for each other. He is a rare, once-in-a-lifetime candidate, a true visionary who can transform our country.
she isnt likeable
she represents a coorporate America interests and the Clinton dynasty.
No need for Bill Clinton nostalgia, dont forget he has scores to settle.
America is nearly facing a recession, it needs hope and unity more than anything else
As an independent voter whose father is from Africa and mother is American.
Hillary doesn't divide the country. Politics divides the country. While Obama has a preacher style non partisan approach and I think he is a great politician. Hillary has been there during tough times. She understands that and make no mistake, THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN PARTISANSHIP IN POLITICS. That doesn't mean that we the voter's have to be partisan. It is not directed at the US people but rather the politicians. I am an independent and often get offended at all the partisanship and then I realize where it stems from. Hillary has much more "history and experience" with the Republicans (in DC) and the press. Therefore her whole life is exposed and we know it like we know her life like we know our own lives. The key is she is still there and fighting. The reason why some Republicans don't like her is because we clearly know where she stands. Quoting Churchill and thinking about Hillary,
“You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.”
Hillary has stood for Universal health care and fighting for the middle class. She hasn't changed on that 15 plus years. I am not a democrat or a republican I am someone that shares beliefs in both parties but I know that the Democrats are notoriously in modern times for the people and the environment. One step further Hillary represents NY the state that got hit by 9/11. SHE WORKED WITH REPUBLICANS TO GET HOMELAND SECURITY MONEY. IT IS ALL ABOUT what you do not what you will claim to do.
As for Obama's comment about the close door practice by the Clinton's to promotoe Universal Health Care. I am not sure what Obama was doing back then. I know what I was doing I was at my University leading a letter writing campaign to promote Clinton's plans for Universal Health Care. Obama is misrepresenting the past if he thinks that the Clinton's didn't engage the American public. Many of us were engaged. Unfortunately what some people might not of realized especially for those not engaged in grass roots campaigns is they don't always win the fight. We don't vote on the bills and do the politics, the politicians do. And in teh case of Universal Health Care our congress didn't want it, I think we are ready for it now. I trust Hillary to get the job done. I think Sen Obama is talking about spending a lot of time educating the disengaged public on how he would like DC to be (which is a great thing). The reality is partisan politics exist sometimes and no-one will change that. Politics equals policies and compromise. After having a few more votes as oppose to no shows he will have more criticism as well. He has been very crafty to avoid a lot of the attacks but it is because he has not been around as long as Clinton.
Keep watching reading and learning that is what I am doing!
If a democrat is elected, the USA will be turned into a New Orleans as in the past 40 years of Democrat governing. High welfare and government housing... more welfare than we can afford.
I believe that she is a lightning rod of partisan politics. All to often she has made clear that she is more interested in pushing through her own agenda, for her own benefit, than leading the country. Another politician has the same views, but from the oppisite end of the spectrum;
Obama would get his head handed to him in a 1-on-1 w/ the Republicans. Only Hillary or Edwards could stand up to them. Their positions and values are at their core, they have lived the issues, they can talk in specifics, not lofty generalities.I'd love to see the waters settle a bit to make a Clinton/Edwards ticket a possibility.
Hillary is too partison to win the general election. She's still has the old playbook and Obama is the candidate of the future. Take is from me...my wife and I are republicans and we're for Obama. Playing to the base is what turned me off with my republican candidates. While we play partison games, troops are dying oversees, people are losing their homes and jobs, the economy is in peril, and we've lost our standing around the world. Wake up folks, we're all in this together.
She can not win, she is too divisive. The republicans will slaughter her in the general election.
You must win southern states in an election and only Obama can do that. He already has republicans who voted for him.
Look his win in Iowa should tell us how conservatives think. If the conservatives in Iowa want Obama, lets put up Obama. He'll destroy McCain, because while McCain will try to incite fear, Obama will inspire the masses with hope.
Obama is our only chance at a landslide in November.
Hillary and her rhetoric are old and tired. She is playing old school politics and that turns off independent voters like myself. All she has to do is open her mouth and independent voters roll their eyes and say "not this old tired story again!"
Tonight she showed me the angry old politician that she really is. She attacks when losing, she justifies her dirty tactics by saying "I am just showing differences" BS! She is showing her ignorance on what the American people want in a President and a leader. It may work with the democrats but it will not work with me as an independent.
Hillary has good reason to think on an "us" versus "them" basis regarding democrats and republicans, given the outrageous crap dealt in the past 7 years by the republicans. However, that's not going to help our relationships with other nations, or inspire potential voters who never bothered to participate in elections in the past. Obama has this ability, and having lived abroad, even as a child, greatly improves his understanding of the issues, struggles, and thoughts of those abroad. And don't forget, Indonesia is a Muslim country, a religious group with whom we really, really need more communication and understanding. Hillary, or any other candidate's various trips abroad under diplomatic protection hardly compare.
It is apparently clear that this is a good heated debate, reflecting upon the strengths, vulnerabilities and the audacity of truth. These are difficult times, with a dire economy, foreign policy challenges that mandate a leader with confident direction based on experience, and a critical healthcare situation.
To the good Americans of the United States of America, think of some of the worst situations possible that could happen, economically, internationally, healthcare wise et al. WHO WOULD YOU TRULY WANT TO BE IN OFFICE?
It is extraorindary that the great United States of America allows candidates to speak so freely. It is my sincere wish that we can keep it that way and look to all of the candidates' records, experience and significant achievements.
Kudos to CNN and Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper and the CNN team tonight for leading an exciting and most compelling forum.