January 22, 2008
Posted: January 22nd, 2008 12:38 PM ET
Obama said Hillary Clinton is ‘fudging the truth.’
Obama said Hillary Clinton is ‘fudging the truth.’

(CNN) - Hours after they tangled on-stage in one of the fiercest debate matchups yet, Barack Obama accused Hillary Clinton Tuesday of “fudging the truth.”

“If you get the kind of looseness with the facts that Sen. Clinton displayed, and you’re willing to say anything to get a political or tactical advantage, that erodes people’s trust in government. It makes them cynical,” Obama told reporters on conference call announcing the endorsement of Mississippi Rep. Bennie Thompson – an African-American legislator from a red state where more than a third of the electorate is black.

Thompson is the chairman of the House’s Homeland Security Committee.

“When it comes to Sen. Clinton’s remarks: look, I think it’s very clear that Sen. Clinton has - and President Clinton has - been spending the last month attacking me in ways that are not accurate. The news outlets that have looked at these attacks have indicated that they’re not accurate and at some point it was important for us to answer them,” said Obama.

“Sen. Clinton announced while we were still in Iowa that this was gonna be her strategy and called it the 'fun part of campaigning.' I don’t think it’s the fun part to fudge the truth,” said Obama. “…The key issue here is, how are we going to move this country forward?”

Shortly after Clinton spoke, her campaign sent reporters a memo containing half a dozen unrelated charges against Obama, including the charge, based on a recent news report, that he “represented now-indicted influence peddler Tony Rezko in his efforts to develop government-subsidized slum housing.”

The Obama campaign has denied links to any illegal activities on the part of the Chicago businessman, and has said it would reject all contributions linked to him.

The two sides also fought over Obama’s position on single-payer health care this morning, with Clinton’s campaign releasing a YouTube video of 2003 remarks by then-state Rep. Obama which they said contradicted his debate statement that he had never been in favor of the idea. The Obama campaign immediately responded, saying that the Illinois senator’s approach on the issue had been consistent.

Related: Watch Sen. Obama fire back at Sen. Clinton on her economic plan

–CNN's Chris Welch and Rebecca Sinderbrand

Filed under: Barack Obama • Hillary Clinton


Dana in Maryland   January 27th, 2008 8:22 pm ET

Since the Clintons were first in office, they were a capable team, they were masters at making the other side look bad when their own arguments came up short. They did accomplish some things and other things like the state of the economy during Bill's reign were a lucky break for him he liked to take credit for even though few presidents have ever had that sort of economic clout. But from the beginning despite any high minded goals they had, it has always been about Bill and Hillary, Mostly Bill , something you can still see in the current campaign. It was never really about the country and what it needed, just about who got the credit. Hillary tried to give the credit for civil rights to President Johnson instead of the people who put their bodies on the line, and she did it to make the point that Hillary should be president because only she could get things done. The way Bill and Hillary got things done though was through political back stabbing and carefully timed deceit that could be apologized for after it had already done it's damage. Now they are at it again true to form. It may be typical dirty politics. Maybe we shouldn't expect anything different, but I do expect different of anyone who dares call themselves President. Obama seems to remember that the power should come from the people and is willing to remind us that if the country is going to change for the better, it will be through our efforts, not from someone dictating from on high. Leaders empower the people they lead, not themselves.

Gloria   January 24th, 2008 2:02 pm ET

Well, well, well. We now are confronted with the real Clintons.....backstabbing, conniving, do anything say anything to get the office that they both think she so justly deserves.

If I had any notion to vote for this heifer, all bets are off. She appears greatly annoyed that a Black man (of all people) has the gall to run against her. In her and Bill's world, the only worth Black people have, is to vote and hold them in high esteem. In other words, kiss their butts.

For my money, they both can go to hell. And all those hankerchief head Black politicians and so called leaders who plan to benefit at the Clinton monetary trough, you to can go to hell.

The days of Black allegiance to the Clintons are over. What have they ever done for Black people....or Hispanic people. NOTHING AT ALL. FAce it, our economic plight hasn't changed. We're getting poorer.....the Clintons richer.

Justice may be blind.....but I'm not.

james smith   January 23rd, 2008 11:02 pm ET

preach

Nicholas, SC black voter NOT voting on RACE   January 23rd, 2008 10:04 pm ET

I really respected Barack Obama's campaign and politics, but I have to say I cannot stand watching him during these debates. He really never does answer a single question. He constantly says the other candidates are distorting his facts, but does not support any evidence about what the truth is. I realize hope and eloquent speeches are important, but seriously that is not enough. Like John Edwards said point blank so all you Anti-Hillary people cannot blame her: Barack Obama has been tearing apart their voting records but claims that he didn't mean what he said or voted for the second either one of them questions him. Taking the moral high ground so that voters won't question you isn't going to work anymore. THIS IS an election for the PRESIDENT people, not some town councilman. I respect Sen. Obama's wonderful speeches of home, but it is simply not enough. Our country has very real and immediate problems and he can't even answer questions in a debate? I just don't get the blind support. I really don't. This is not an endorsement of any of the other candidates, but simply a glance at what I feel about Sen. Obama. One more point that may be kind of moot and a low-blow, but something I have noticed. For all this talk about eloquence, am I the only one who gets annoyed by his stuttering and inability to form a sentence during debates where he must be extemporaneous and not read from a teleprompter? Also. Definitely check out this website which offers what I consider to be an unbiased fact-check. All of them are guilty!

Vic   January 23rd, 2008 9:54 pm ET

I was a republican one month ago, but after watching the media and everyone else beating up on Hillary, from calling an old Hag (while most Republican candidates are much older than her), and stating that they dont want to see a women grow old in the white house and all the remarks I heard after her voice cracked, saying maybe it's that time of the month. Hillary showed me she is tough and she could take it and she will get my vote.

Julie   January 23rd, 2008 7:42 pm ET

People if you are going to site facts please make sure you know what you are talking about!

Although the impeachment process succeeded at the level of the House of Representatives, without the Senate's confirming action in this matter, no further action was taken.

Andy, New York, New York   January 23rd, 2008 7:29 pm ET

To all you Billary followers:

If Hillary Clinton,
1. with her self-proclaimed 35 years of experience;
2. with her national and world name recognition; with her 8 years living in the White House and another several living in the Governor's mansion in Arkansas, and
3. with her carpetbagging of the Senator's post in New York on her way to the White House...AGAIN, has to be engaging in such mudslinging with a relative newcomer on the block, and is getting such a hard time being coronated as the Democratic nominee, there must be something about her that demands both Democrats and the entire nation take a second look.

When analysts claim that Hillary is polarizing, this is exactly what they are talking about: DRIVING A WEDGDE BETWEEN BLACK AND WHITE DEMOCRATS SO SHE CAN CAPITALIZE ON THE NUMERICAL MAJORITY WHITES FOR THEIR VOTES AND LEAVE THE NUMERICAL MINORITY BLACKS TO VOTE FOR OBAMA!

Ray - Meet Mr. Truman   January 23rd, 2008 6:24 pm ET

Ray, Spin this.
Harry Truman left office with the lowest ratings of just about any modern President. Why? Because he was HONEST!! He made the hard choices to help this counrty in the long run. Not the choices that made his poll numbers go up. Let face the facts, Bill Clinton did not make this country better for you children, Esp. Health Care. Total failure. Oh, he shouldn't get the blame, his WIFE was in charge of that projecct. Ray stop drinking the Kool Aid and get on board the Ohama train.

Ray - Meet Mr. Truman   January 23rd, 2008 6:22 pm ET

Ray, Spin this.
Harry Truman left office with the lowest ratings of just about any modern President. Why? Because he was HONEST!! He made the hard choices to help this counrty in the long run. Not the choices that made his poll numbers go up. Let face the facts, Bill Clinton did not make this country better for you children, Esp. Health Care. Total failure. Oh, he shouldn't get the blame, his WIFE was in charge of that projecct. Ray stop drinking the Kool Aid and get on board the Ohama train.

Angela   January 23rd, 2008 4:40 pm ET

It's funny how the Clintons have been smearing Obama's name for months and the VERY FIRST TIME he fights back and defends his name he is being ridiculed for being a cry baby and is being told to grow up...WOW! When he wasn't saying anything he was told he should and look what happens when he does.........

Has it occured to all of you "Im-voting-for-Hillary-only-because-its-about-time-we-had-a-woman/she-has-the-most-experience-and-experience-is-important-unless-you-ACTUALLY-have-more-experience-than-Hillary" (hence: Biden, Richardson, and ALL THE DARN REPUBLICANS! because if experience were that important you'd vote for them!!!)" supporters that Obama and every news network has proven that Billary has taken parts of what he said and distorted it to their advantage...you know? LIED!!!!! The proof is everywhere!!!!

There is a serious epidemic of selective hearing in this contry that needs to be cured!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tom, Granite City, Ilinois   January 23rd, 2008 4:12 pm ET

Hillary, the divider, cannot win the election. She is the republicans best weapon. John Mcain is strong at bringing in independents, Hillary is not. She can get the democratic base, but without at least 40 to 50% of independents she cannot win. Barrack can pull in the base and independents. Barack might even pull in some social conservatives. Hillary has the women of this country fooled. Just because she is a woman, and can shed a tear on the spot, does not mean she is this caring, compasionate person. How in the world is she going to get anything done when the republicans despise her as much as the dems despise Bush? She will bring partisanship to a new level.

dori   January 23rd, 2008 3:57 pm ET

Womanizer Bill gave a bad example of morality to the children of our nation. It should be illegal to campaign for her when he is not running.
Hilary is 56 years old. She said she had 36 years of experience, so, she had experience at age 20. What kind experience, besides 'flirting'? She must think we are stupid to believe her lies! Are we?

Chelsea   January 23rd, 2008 3:31 pm ET

Hillary and her husband are doing a disservice to Americans by twisting facts to get elected. The last thing Americans need is a President Hillary Clinton who will take it to the republicans. We need a uniter and not a divider. If Obama praised Reagan it just shows he a matured politician. Even when President Clinton was busy leading the nation, he found a way to disgrace the White House. Think of Bill Clinton living in the White House again as a retiree......We can't let him bring dirt to the White House again.

If a person can cry to get elected, beware of her intentions, folks. Obama's presidency will unite America. The Clintons should give us a break!

God Bless America!

milli nyc, ny   January 23rd, 2008 2:38 pm ET

bill was subject to impeachment. and now people are taking him seriously! what a joke. he is a liar and so is his wife.

i dont want our first female president to have the history that the clintons have. i rather wait for another female candidate who has more of a reputable record than to jump on the clinton bandwagon.

Carrie   January 23rd, 2008 1:54 pm ET

Respect is Earned, Not Given.

The Clintons have lost any respect I may have had for them.

Both of them are "lower than a puddle" , or perhaps lower than whale excrement and you cannot get any lower than that!!

Mary   January 23rd, 2008 1:36 pm ET

You have to be blind or dumb not to see through Hillary Clinton's evil tactics, she reckons she can't win based on merit or gender, so she attacks her opponent with lies. Everything Obama said in the debate checks out, but Hillary keeps spreading blatant lies about Obama.

What's worse is she knows they are lies but she doesn't care because she really cannot compete with Obama, she enlists her daft, but likeable husband to do her dirty deeds and lies flow from both their lips seamlessly. Its like they are possessed! They'll lie, cheat, kill to get the presidency, they really don't care about the American people, they just care about securing power for themselves, they are megalomaniacs!

If you vote for hillary clinton, you'll be complicit in her wicked plan to ruin this great country!

april   January 23rd, 2008 1:26 pm ET

If Obama doesn't have enough experience, then Clinton certainly didn't when he was first elected. I'm sick of hearing this experience argument – take a look at the history of the presidency. We have had some amazing leaders who had limited experience when they took office. The problem is that we have become too afraid of change to exercise our right as citizens. This is why our congress has such low approval ratings, yet the seats rarely change hands.

The politicians count on us being afraid to take a chance – and that is why Washington is broken.

I am a proud citizen who believes in my country and it's people and therefore I will never cast a vote out of fear of change. It is disrespectful to those who have fought for our democracy.

vinny   January 23rd, 2008 1:24 pm ET

lets stop talking about needed changes and start defining how they're going to be implemented. i'm not interested in who voted for what whenever....I WANT SPECIFICS ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO FIX HEALTHCARE, THE ECONOMY AND OUR AMERICAN NAME THAT'S BEEN TAINTED. Go Edwards!

Deb   January 23rd, 2008 1:15 pm ET

Obama's charm ? Does he have any? If he does, it doesn't work for me.I absolutely will not vote for Obama .I do not think he is experienced enough to be my President.. For me it's Hillary all the way.

norb   January 23rd, 2008 12:58 pm ET

Obama ran against a guy the Republican's brought in six months to obtain Illinois residency so he could run. His real oppenant dropped out prior to th election because of a scandal. Obams really hasn't run against anyone that mattered. Now that he's in a "real" campaign, he should be running for city council.

joan   January 23rd, 2008 12:23 pm ET

Hillary with 35 years of experience? She must be counting her years as First Lady. If anyone remembers, she left that position early to establish residence in New York for her political aspirations.
She is power-hungry, and I`m afraid if she becomes President, we will not see any improvement in the condition of our country.
I do wish that Senator Obama had made a statement about the attacks and untruthfulness of the Clinton campaign, then stated what he plans to do for the betterment of our nation.

rick   January 23rd, 2008 11:58 am ET

Poor Obama, he ran negative campaing ads in Neveda and now he can't take it. I rather go back to the 90's when the economy was great and the Clintons fix the deficit budget problem, the dollar was valued every where and Americans were respected world wide. I am not interested about Bill's personal life, everyone has skeleton's in their closet. Obama attacked Hillary first in the debeta, I would had changed my mind about Hillary if she would have stay quiet and not fight back. Let's face it the media scrutinises every thing she does and they are afraid to talk about Obama or to dig into his past, that's why Bill has to do it.

no name   January 23rd, 2008 11:47 am ET

I can't believe what I’m reading. I’m a Iraq vet and I did volunteer to serve I just can't believe there are some ignorant people that are afraid of change this country disappoints me because I fought for everything I believe in the land of the free and the home of the brave does any body else believes in this to or would you call this a fairy tale also. The comments that the Clintons made about barrack are destroying what we live for and what we die for if you read this take a look at yourself and ask yourself who would make a better place for your kids to grow.

Lee Chang, Surrey, Canada   January 23rd, 2008 11:39 am ET

Amy: you sounded very ignorant and out of touch with reality – to the extent of being blind.

april   January 23rd, 2008 11:34 am ET

I find it very interesting that people are not checking the facts and are continuing to repeat things like this is a high school love triangle or something! Last night CNN did a great thing – they played what the Clinton's alleged that Obama said, followed by the actual news clip of what he did say. Proved Sen. Obama’s point, they are deliberately twisting the facts for political gain – they will do ANYTHING to be re-elected. And make no mistake Bill Clinton is running for office again! I’m not saying Hilary won’t actually be in charge, but his level of involvement in this race is a good prevue for what a Hilary presidency would look like. She acts like she has no control over his antics – how is that going to play when he’s popping off about issues when she’s actually in office???

Again I say, we as a nation should all be ashamed for falling for the same old political games the Clinton's have been playing on this country for nearly two decades now. You have an ex president who is a proven liar, running for co-president. Please lets put the Clinton "legacy" behind us and start fresh...I don't care if it's a republican or one of the other democratic candidates, just no more Clinton's! This country does not have royalty, yet we are making it seem as though we do by continuing to elect people from the same families – why because of name recognition? I seriously don't get it. It makes me really believe that people are sheep and if you repeat something long enough and loud enough it becomes truth and they all fall in line. Let's prove them wrong and do away with the politics and the POLITICIANS of old.

Laura   January 23rd, 2008 11:13 am ET

I have great respect for both candidates, especially Hillary. She's so smart. When you hear her speak, she doesnt miss a beat. I can see Obama in ten years being a great president. Good luck Hillary!!

Allen   January 23rd, 2008 11:06 am ET

Sounds like a lot of you didn't even watch the debate in SC. Obama showed he could stand toe to toe with the Clintons and win the debate against them. The Clinton campaign has continued to scrounge up every little piece of dirt they can find on them and because they can't find much, they have to make stuff up.

If Obama didn't fight back and say that they were spewing crap, which he is, what would you say about him then? The Clinton supporters would say 'See, by not saying anything he is admitting its true' or, 'He doesn't have the guts to stand up for himself'.

Otto   January 23rd, 2008 11:04 am ET

Bill and Hillary are using clever republican tactics stolen from the Bush campaign that seemed to work...smear-smear-smear.

Politics at its best.

Elmer   January 23rd, 2008 8:03 am ET

Obama we already have an arrogant President we do not need another one.

John   January 23rd, 2008 4:29 am ET

The Clinton's will use any tactic they can like calling in favors from some black and latin leaders who only look out for there personal interest. As a latino I am offended by those leaders and would ask that they be removed from there leadership chairs. We are not stupid and see right through them. A new day is coming and we soon we will be out with the old leaders and in with the new leaders. It's time for change!

David...Nevada   January 23rd, 2008 2:11 am ET

Billary.. the wicked witch of the north..watch her nose grow.. Her real experience and expertise is mud slinging. watch ur back Obama.........

lizzie   January 23rd, 2008 1:07 am ET

Sadly, Obama speaks of uniting people, but has used some of the most divisive language and strategies in this campaign when it suits him.

Ele   January 22nd, 2008 11:17 pm ET

After reading all these comments all I can say is Mitt Romney for president !!

Beth   January 22nd, 2008 10:25 pm ET

Michelle Obama has attacked Hillary last August she said "how can she run the white house if she cant even run her personal household." But noooo that gets no press....

rpt   January 22nd, 2008 9:56 pm ET

Hillary does not represent this California woman! I want a woman in the White House...but not that woman! My gosh, she is like Bush in a skirt. Her husband is a proven liar, and scum bag. She looked the other way. Now we know why...she is cut from the same cloth. Its the power...stupid!

Hillary is coming to California to convince Latino's that she cares. If she lies about all this other stuff how can you possibly trust she will keep her promises to you?

She and her husband simply cannot be trusted! I am convinced the Clinton's care only about their power!

What is Bill doing with Dubai????? And does anyone wonder about the backroom Bush relationship. Papa Bush and Bill working together to raise funds???
Danger, Danger...this could be much, much, much more of the same old thing.

We need a clean sweep!!! NO LEGACY POLITICIANS. OBAMA...GET BACK ON YOUR GAME SIR! WE NEED YOU!

Mick   January 22nd, 2008 9:29 pm ET

I did like Obama before but I gone totally off him because he doesn't strike me as being genuine and furthermore for allowing his supporters to turn the democratic primaries into a race debate. Obama's free ride from the press is unbelievable. He gets away with complete spin and no substance. Is he made out of Teflon or something because nothing sticks to him not even his political opinions and he has the cheek to accuse others of flip-flopping. I wonder was comment about not knowing who he was "running against sometimes" nothing less than sexism as if Hillary was only the wife with Bill calling the shots? I sincerely hope that the rumors of a Hillary / Edwards ticket are true. Obama needs to do the hard yards for a few years for us to really know what he stands for.

Darron   January 22nd, 2008 9:23 pm ET

In January 2001, two months after Hillary Clinton's election to the Senate, President Clinton pardoned four residents of the New Square Hasidic enclave in Rockland County, New York, who had been convicted of defrauding the federal government of $30 million by establishing a fictitious religious school. [83] [84] New Square had voted almost unanimously for Hillary Clinton in the New York Senate race. A lawyer following the matter stated that even if Hillary Clinton had promised to lobby her husband for clemency in exchange for the town's votes — a claim for which there was no proof — it would be difficult to establish a crime had taken place: "Politicians make promises all the time. That's nothing new — or illegal."[83] Hillary Clinton acknowledged sitting in on a post-election meeting discussing possible clemency for the four, but said she had played no part in her husband's decision.[84]

A federal investigation launched to investigate various Clinton pardons,[83] closed its investigation of the New Square matter in June 2002 by taking no action against Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, or any residents of New Square.[85]

Sheldon   January 22nd, 2008 9:17 pm ET

Obama is not man enough to end the fight with Hillary (he may not want to). His robots here have to resort to Obama talking points to try smear the Clintons in the gound-getting kind of dry reading- SOS

aisha   January 22nd, 2008 8:30 pm ET

I real dont understand realy.Clintons now the said the want to changer why and why she dint changer that time there was been there in white house?????and now i see she to learn lier like from husband,I think guy like edward and hobama the can make good changer not Clintons the was there and we dint see anything change Why now and why only attack obama????is to distroy or because edward white you scare to attack him???American people there not stupid the know what kindy of change the need,i think is not from Clintons because we know there good tó change what the was said but not USA.

Chad   January 22nd, 2008 8:29 pm ET

Colby and Karen from NY:
You forgot to mention that Hillary is #6 on that list of senators who missed the most votes. All the presidential candidates have lost time because of campaigning and top that list. Here is another example of Clinton and her supporters' hypocrisy. Worry about your own candidate and the issues.

Sharon Lewis   January 22nd, 2008 8:17 pm ET

I'm an Obama fan not because I think he's perfect, the only perfect person is 6 ft under the dirt. And Obama does not have the experience Hillary has...Thank God-He has something far more important. Good Judgment. Good judgment outweighs experience...ask any employee what's more important?

Does he need to "fight back?' The media sure loves it, but by steping backwards when she attacks Obama could it catch her off balance and leave her falling flat on on her face? Can he take her remarks without getting defensive? This is key.

Barack is able to inspire me to make a difference. Throughout history aren't the people of our nation really the catalyst in policy making? I think Hillary would probably make a fine president-but I really don't believe much would change-why isn't there already Universal Health Care? Her and John have been senators for sometime....they can blame it on the republicans, but if they could do it they already would have....Obama is being realistic, he realizes in order to get something done you need the people behind you and you need to be able to appeal to Republicans and Independants. We're not electing a king, as much as George W Bush would like to think the United States is his monarchy.

No Obama, is not perfect-and no one should feel sorry for him. We are hiring him as our commander in chief and he has got to take the "punches," And perhaps come back swinging. I'm sure there is plenty about Hillary that he could use to knock her out, but maybe he's smarter than that? I'm hoping when she throws the punch he won't get defensive, he'll step back and she'll lose her balance. In the end do we really want a president that feels the only way they can get their way is to drag their opponents through the mud?

Mike Longview, TX   January 22nd, 2008 7:06 pm ET

Obama is NOT what America needs!!!!

Levi   January 22nd, 2008 6:27 pm ET

"I think Hillary can go the distance and win this race against Obama and any Republican they put up against her."

Really? I think WE decide who wins. No matter how much politicking goes on.

Dre Atlanta   January 22nd, 2008 6:13 pm ET

Hillary need to stop putting negative remarks about Obama I wittness Obama helping poor American in Chicago poorest area and also helping poorest area of Chicago to get better school in the poorest area. Hillary I never seen you helping poor people in the Chicago poorest. Hillary ask the children of Chicago how they feel about Obama. One thing I know Obama love American children. Hillary and Bill stop the negative remarks about Obama. I was going to vote for Hillary but I change my mind to Obama because I feel American people will listen Obama over Hillary I just dont trust her. Obama is for helping all American not just for African American he will be the best person who can bring American back like we had it before. It so sad to hear how Hillary and her husband attacking Obama. I would whether see Hillary daughter run for president not her. We love you Obama.

Half truths = Lies   January 22nd, 2008 6:12 pm ET

Colby & Karen – New York, NY, You appear to have missed the senator 2 spots below Obama. Senator Clinton has missed a great deal of votes as well. She is # 6 on the "missers list"...

Half the truth is a lie.

Serious discussion   January 22nd, 2008 6:02 pm ET

OK. When you look at Clinton and Obama's political positions there is not much to divide them. Hillary's support for the war initially has changed and Obama has always been against the war in Iraq. The minor difference on healthcare is not serious enough to fight over–just to discuss the best way to resolve the disaster called healthcare in this country. So....what the difference? A lot of folks are asking. THIS SHOULD BE A SERIOUS QUESTION!

When making my decison, I looked at the manner in which each was running their campaign. Who tried to clarify what they were for, who was the most respectful to the other candidates, who was able to inspire the disenfranchised, and young people, and lastly who had the ability to bring diverse groups of people together so that this country could get out of Iraq, stay out of Iran, repair the global divisions and try to include rather that exclude.

I'm in my 60's and went through the 1960's with lots of hope and activity and learned quite quickly that in political fights some get down and dirty and you have to fight back. You try to do it with finess but it always fails. Is anyone in politics perfect? Are any of you perfect? Has Obama made mistakes? Has Bill and Hillary and everyone else in this country? Of course, we're human. But if you look at how little political differences exist and then answer my questions above, you have no choice but to support OBAMA!

Carlos Murillo, Miami, Fl   January 22nd, 2008 5:58 pm ET

Being a long time Democrat, I've always admired the Clintons for their fighting spirit, but this instance just seems too crass. The charges against Obama seem as contorted as the Swift Boat allegations made against Kerry last time around. These aggressive tactics represent the aspect of the Clintons I like the least. Sometimes, it just seems like there is nothing they would not do in order to achieve their goals.

In the end, I must say that Obama makes me feel the same way Bill Clinton did in 1992: as if the old guard needed to be changed in order for the nation to emerge from a dark period.

Tim,boston   January 22nd, 2008 5:55 pm ET

Obama has succeeded in bringing to the voting booths what has been said to be the largest group of young first-time voters in history. His optimistic speeches have washed away the paralysis, cynicism, and apathy of voters and his clear stance on the issues: better education, universal health care, environmental friendly energy bills, ending the war in Iraq, closing down Guantanamo, and building a better foreign policy face to the world all show that in this defining moment we are the ones who have to step up to the challenges of the 21st century by voting for those who best represent the interests of our generation. We are generation hope. We are the ones we’ve been waiting for!

Tonya   January 22nd, 2008 5:50 pm ET

It is not fair to downplay Obama's efforts based on the assumption from Hillary that he missed 166 votes during his time in the Senate. He clearly explained his reasoning. I think people missed the part where John eluded to the fact that it would have been better if he had not showed up at all. I wonder if they (Hillary and John) were asked, how many sessions have they missed, it would probaby add up to more than 166 times. Let us not throw stones until the real facts come out. Debates are not always truthful

Chaunda   January 22nd, 2008 5:50 pm ET

I am a little confused why Obama had to have a press conference AFTER the debate to make his points. Isn't that why we had a debate?

Mageya   January 22nd, 2008 5:46 pm ET

I hope Americans elect Obama. What an inspiring person and really he is exactly what the USA needs right now! He has the ability to reach the masses through his message of unity and hope in a way that Hillary never could. I think Obama has the right blend of leadership qualities needed right now. Obama is the right leader for these times.

Ottawa, Canada

Diane Lander-Simon   January 22nd, 2008 5:32 pm ET

I give them both credit for facing off and going toe to toe. What a lot of talent they both have. I thought when the going got tough Barack got wobbly but he held on and held his ground. He does whine a bit though. What does he think the Republicans would do to him? He wouldn't know after a walk in race for his Senate seat against a last minute imported candidate fro Maryland – Allan Keyes. I think Hillary can go the distance and win this race against Obama and any Republican they put up against her.

BRG   January 22nd, 2008 5:13 pm ET

Wow, seems like he's getting very defensive. Wonder why? Maybe because she is asking the right questions!!!!

Ray   January 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

Since when is someone pointing out your record and attack?

poor poor Obama.

Dalf   January 22nd, 2008 4:53 pm ET

I am not going to say Hillary is perfect and doesn't distort information and play politics. But for Obama to act as if he is holier than thou is disgusting ! They are all politicians and have sinned ! Obama is acting like he is perfect and God's gift to this republic. His wife Michelle also slams the other campaigns! I can see his arrogance and incompetence from a while away. We need leadership, experience, competence on DAY one and not pretty, rehearsed, and "pillow-top" speeches. America will vote for the Senator from New York and not the one from Illinois!

P.S

Quit complaining and show us your works and record. What's the problem? You can't handle the Clintons? Even though I am not supporting you, please make us proud and be strong and tall; represent the Black community well.

I am a 25 year old African-American male and I approve this message.

Hillary 08'

rw   January 22nd, 2008 4:36 pm ET

What an eye popper. Google Rezko and Obama and read the article in the CHICAGO SUN TIMES from April of 2007. And what is this with Michelle Obama and Walmart?

Carl Rove would have a field day with the Rezko / Obama connection.

Shame in the NYTimes for not picking up these stories.

LHog   January 22nd, 2008 4:30 pm ET

She had a good teacher...her husband. These two have made a good living fudging or completely making up the truth. They did it here in Arkansas as Governor and our first lady. They did it prior to being in office here. And they continued it in Washington and even today. It amazes me how many people just wink at all these two do. Now they are even doing it in their own party and still...the media and so many others just ignore it for the most part.

Reggie   January 22nd, 2008 4:19 pm ET

Wow!!! SO when did defending yourself become crying? If Obama sits back and takes it you same Clinton supporters would call him weak for not responding. Oh and wasn't it Clinton CRYING ON TV about her campaign was getting to hard. You said you want change and not the same old political tricks that have been played in the past by both Bush and the clintons. Well wake up!!!!

Obama is change!!! He is reaching out to Republicans as well as independents. But what does Hilary do? She dividing parties by playing the Democarates against Republicans GAME!!! This is not about divide.........its about uniting America and getting away from those same stuburn ways!!

Tell me this who has been against the war from the start? It wasn't Clinton or Edwards!!!!! It was Obama!

Farrell, Houston, Tx   January 22nd, 2008 4:17 pm ET

Fudging the truth, how about just plain out and out lie.

The Observer   January 22nd, 2008 4:13 pm ET

Adam – do you personally know Hillary Clinton to make a comment like that?

What annoys me about many of Obama's supporters is they make PERSONAL comments that they are in no position to make.

The irony is that politically – there is not much difference between Clinton and Obama.

One therefore has to ask who is the driving force behind the Obama supporters – I think you will find it is the GOP.

The Observer   January 22nd, 2008 4:07 pm ET

Obama's own fault for throwing the first punch – if you can't take it don't give it in the first place.

Andrea   January 22nd, 2008 3:48 pm ET

There is no way Obama can defeat Hillary. She out smarts him in every debate. It is about time that Obama's record was discussed. Obama is upset because he knows that he is finally being exposed. I want a president that will stand up for the American people, Hillary Clinton is my pick and has been my pick since day one!!!

Clinton in '08

Tia, NJ   January 22nd, 2008 3:15 pm ET

Friends of Hillary and Obama...when the primaries are over and the dust has settled, we must unite. If the Democrats are to clearly win the majority in the 2008 election, we need both camps...Its very disheartening to hear both camps argue the way they do...As supporters...lets encourage them to find common grounds. As supporters lets not loose sight of the bigger goal.

God Help US All, Atlanta,Georgia   January 22nd, 2008 3:14 pm ET

He sounds like a massive crybaby. Well, that's a shame.

Aidyn   January 22nd, 2008 3:13 pm ET

Obama needs to stop complaning and defend himself. He never defened himself agasint that new video Hillary put out there, why?? beucae it is true he nevers takes responsibilities.

CaliforniaGirl   January 22nd, 2008 3:13 pm ET

I am so sick of media always making Hillary to be the bad guy, or to be correct in this case the bad woman. It seems there is an Obama bias but they seem to forget to present the whole "quotes" or fact check when they are reporting about Hillary. Even in this article they are quick to point out how "unrelated charges" by Hillary campaign, and forget to mention that Obama's campaign has made plenty of fudge statements.
Also, why don't media ever point out that Obama is really good at making speeches, but when you ask for substance, its an empty bag. Even his accusation of fudging the truth, where are the facts? Haven't they done the same? I want all these reporters to actually do their job, present both sides, not just whats controversial.

JustinA   January 22nd, 2008 3:11 pm ET

Hillary has been on the attack from day 1. The growing number of appologies from her staff and other proxies is proof that Obama is on the right track. It is sad to see how the political machine tries to destroy candidates who challenge the conventional wisdom.
Among all of the Clintons' lies the one that stands out is the Irak war vote. Hillary is in no position to lecture anyone about this matter. She has voted for the war. In the process, she helped make the case for war in her speech to the senate. She has taken the Bush administration claim of WMDs at face value without even asking the tough questions one would hope from the opposition party.
Obama has voted against the war and yet he's asked to justify his position.

Susan S., Wyoming   January 22nd, 2008 3:10 pm ET

Clinton will tell any lie and make any distortion to win. She has been around Republicans too long. The good thing is, as Obama noted in the debate, that this means he is doing well and that she is afraid of him. Her smear tactics will also give him good practice in dealing with Republicans. So, angry as it makes me and as much as it causes me to lose what little respect I had left for Clinton, she is doing him a favor in her warped way. If Clinton really had the interests of the country at heart she would have never run in the first place – she is the last person who can bring the U.S. together to solve the problems that have reached critical boil. Hopefully the Democratic primary voters will concentrate on finding the best candidate to win in November rather than feeling sorry for Clinton and her crocodile tears.

Nik T, Houston, TX   January 22nd, 2008 3:10 pm ET

Boo hoo!! Baby Obama no like, baby Obama can't take the heat, call Clyburn and the Atlanta Mayor!! Frustrated impostor!

James springfield mo   January 22nd, 2008 3:09 pm ET

I bet you fudge the truth obama!.

Charlie   January 22nd, 2008 3:08 pm ET

I have finally come to the conclusion that the only way Hillary can have 35 years of experience in her resume is if you add some of Bills years of experience to hers. She finally owned up that 35 years ago she only left college, yet today the volunteer work she did as an intern is part of the 35 years of experience!! That is part of the fudging Obama is talking about, the clintons are very loose with facts.

The only thing Hillary ever tried to do was the Health care thing and we know how that worked out, it failed miserable. Now why would she try to repeat the same thing following exactly the same tactics and expect a different result when the same dynamics are still in play? The universal health care plan as touted by Hillary is dead on arrival as far as the republicans are concerned, she will never be able to get the Bi partisan support required to pass it untill it is watered down or thrown out in whole. The Obama route makes more sense, that element of choice and responsibility must be maintained in whatever Health care reform that is undertaken and then continue to expand coverage over time.

Carol   January 22nd, 2008 3:08 pm ET

why has my comment take nearly an hour and still not posted?

BownSpottedOWL   January 22nd, 2008 3:07 pm ET

Margaret are you kidding me? The republicans don't like MCCain, the only reason McCain is in it still is becuz of the military Independent voters, not the republican voters in general...MCain would be WORST than Bush JR for sure if elected president..and let me remind you JFK was young president with not much poltical experience either, and he CHANGED this nation ,,and this NATION never TURNED back..I will take a young minded progessive individual with NEW ideals to MOVE this nation forward, than a OLD close minded individual who KEEPS giving up the SAME OLD SMELL that OLD people carry daily.. who are set in their ways of being NONE progessive..LOL! McCAIN is just that person...LOL!

John   January 22nd, 2008 3:07 pm ET

The Clinton Attack Machine is picking up efforts and the news corporation continues to do their part reporting every bit of it.

Here is a random thought. Does anybody else think that the recent presidents who are trying to get around this 2 term limit by having direct family members run is a dirty deal?

Darth Vadik, CA   January 22nd, 2008 3:06 pm ET

All you people getting up on Obama, I have one thing to say:

REMEMBER THE SWIFTBOATS AND WHAT THEY DID TO KERRY!
and how we got upset because Kerry did not fight back.

YOU HAVE TO FIGHT BACK

SO JUST DROP IT

Robin Wagner from ct   January 22nd, 2008 3:06 pm ET

Hill and Bill Started this . Barack has not been saying anything . Now he has to because Bill will not back off with half truth . I voted both times for Bill . This is time for new face. This 35 years of Bush And Clinton must stop. You all got a shocking surprise . Hill thinks she doing good now . But this is going to go threw the summer . Barack going to take it and run with it . He will be our president .. Bill and Hill had there time . There was nothing negative about what was said yesterday . Just the truth . Whom is Barack running agents , Bill Or Hill . Two for one . Got to remember hill not only one with experience . Barack has more than enough . Almost 20 year all together .
Did Hill cry when she send my son and daughters to war . Did she cry when they come back with no health care or when moms and dads have to say goodbye for the last time Did she feel bad .. The when said yes to this war .

IM Canadian   January 22nd, 2008 3:05 pm ET

Geesh... so Obama is not allowed to respond to shots but Clinton is. Get real folks. Clinton was the one who came to fight. Obama had to shoot back note-for-note because the entire situation would consider anything less to be weak. Clinton has gone over the line now in that she has, admittedly very smartly, picked the right time and place to make the cheap shot attacks and rely on gender to let it slide. She's only standing up to the mean old "guys" now, they better not be too hard on the return. Oh, it's smart, for now – and if you really think that makes a president you'd do as well if you voted for Britney Spears. Clinton supporters are starting to look and sound like true suckers.

Bill   January 22nd, 2008 3:05 pm ET

Now she says he “represented now-indicted influence peddler Tony Rezko in his efforts to develop government-subsidized slum housing.”? I thought a building had to be built before we could lable it a slum? I am not defending the man, but this seems to say any low income housing is a slum? Or am I missing somethng?

Jay   January 22nd, 2008 3:05 pm ET

When President Clinton said" I never had sex with that woman" , his words were taken out of context. He was talking about Hillary...lol

Lighten up people, I love Bill and Hillary...
Obama got his butt handed to him in a paper bag last night, His premise of hope and New Politics wheels are coming off the train, plus there is more bad news and a new scandal brewing for Obama, I tried to post it 3 times and it was always deleted... wait and watch...This makes the Rezko deal look like a Sunday picnic..

florida   January 22nd, 2008 3:05 pm ET

joan i second that,sometimes its hard to have somebody fight you and not fight back and not look weak thanks for standing up obama, and oh yea donald i don't think archie would have even consider obama so i guess i know where you stand jim crow

Venecia   January 22nd, 2008 3:04 pm ET

Americans are so fortunate to have such a dynamic cast of presidential candidates. The democrats especially comprise of highly intelligent and passionate people. It's a pity voters deny themselves the opportunity to embrace the best possible candidate. Polarizing has inhibited people's ability to keep an open mind. Voters are becoming widely, and wildly biased, making petty, obnoxious, cruel and unfounded remarks. True, they're not entirely at fault. Much of them take the lead from the candidates themselves.
You can't afford to lose focus now. I believe the focus is/was to achieve a great USA again.

Ray   January 22nd, 2008 3:03 pm ET

Love it Wayne!!!

No more Clinton Doublespeak   January 22nd, 2008 3:03 pm ET

Bill Clinton is a proven liar. He was an impeached President and a disbarred lawyer. We all know he is not to be trusted. He looked us all right in the eye and lied to us. You remember Bill, the guy who didn't inhale. I don't understand the love affair some people have with the Clintons. Yes the economy was good when he was in office but the had everything to do with the dot com surge. He had nothing to do with that. Hillary is no straight arrow either. I have had more than enough Clinton to last me a lifetime. They want to win at all costs and I don't believe they care more about America than they care about themselves. They want to make history on our backs. I can't stand to think that could happen.
God forbid Edwards throws his support to them. I will vote for McCain or stay home.

truesoccermom   January 22nd, 2008 2:58 pm ET

I wouldn't say that Hillary has survived the "onslaught" the Republicans have given her. I'd say that, deserved or not, she is one of the most reviled and polarizing figures in American politics. - Doesn't bode well for her chances in November.

Nalla   January 22nd, 2008 2:58 pm ET

Hillary cannot "fudge truth"–she epitomizes deceitful, untruthfulness....to her bones.

Obama forever

Margaret   January 22nd, 2008 2:57 pm ET

Obama looked too sensitive in the SC debate. He doesn't like the politics of pile-on when it's aimed at him. Maybe he should have thought of the consequences when he started it.

Hillary is my first choice. But if it is Obama vs McCain I will take the tough old bird, McCain. Maybe Obama will grow into it, but I don't think so. He seems like a young opportunist to me, another version of Bush in 2000, minimal experience, not much to offer, but a lot of supporters.

Jenny, Paxton, MA   January 22nd, 2008 2:48 pm ET

Hey, you who calls yourself Independent and then quotes the mainstream corporate news media as if they are God's direct line:

Most of the mainstrem news media are owned by the same groups that have been making a killing out of the criminal wars and fearmongering in the name of war on terrorism when we have a well-organized terrorist state right at home.

You are anything but independent, buddy, if you've been putting faith in corporate media talking points and instructions.

or maybe you're just one of the many neo-con blogsphere spinsters flooding the internet, out of panic over the probability of someone else other than your race horse Billary might be in the WH come 2009.

Justamere10   January 22nd, 2008 2:48 pm ET

"I never tried to influence that woman..."

Hopefully, for the good of our country and the free world, voters will carefully examine the real world qualifications of each of the candidates for president, and the baggage they would bring with them to the highest office in our nation.

Those of both party persuasions who want real change in Washington should clearly be extremely concerned about having Bill Clinton in effect serving a third term, peeking into White House closets for skeletons that might further mar his dubious legacy, and whispering in the ears of people in high places.

I can picture the new first First Man facing the cameras and emphatically declaring to the world:

"I never tried to influence that woman!"

Do we really want the Clinton's representing us to the world, and responsible for the security of America again?

Dave   January 22nd, 2008 2:46 pm ET

Obama is being nice. Hillary Clinton doesn't "fudge the truth" she and her husband just plain lie. They have been doing this for 16 years and getting away with it and the only thing that will stop them is to vote for someone else.

PatElly   January 22nd, 2008 2:46 pm ET

"Fudging the truth," ....give me a break, the facts are pretty clear and he doesn't want to hear about the facts. Quit whining.... We haven't seen anything yet, the Republicans are smiling and waiting for their turn to begin the fight. Hillary has been there–done that and survived the onslaught. The kitchen is beginning to heat up!!!...

Nestor, Pembroke Pines   January 22nd, 2008 2:46 pm ET

Obama is so naive... if this is the way he believes he'll deal with republicans if he ever becomes President of the United States, he's so wrong...

I watched the whole debate yesterday and I was HOPING he would say something CONCRETE. He continues the rethoric and has no clear action items. His only concrete action is to continue talking and cheat on younger minds that are still so utopical and inmature to try to believe that whatever he calls "status quo" is wrong.

We need a real President here, not a literary critics.

And by the way, CNN I adhere to the comment that you continue choosing who's been published. Let this BLOG fly once and for all!!!!

Petion   January 22nd, 2008 2:45 pm ET

Since the introduction of the X-president this campaign has turned into nasty intellectual verbal bar fight. I'm tired of this. I understand that he is the X-president but why is the media giving him so much coverage; such that CNN had him live online as a very important debate was going on. I would be happy to have the laws change to allow Bill a third chance but as it stands the laws are what they are. CHILL BILL, otherwise you’re GOING to KILL BILL’s legacy of decency. AS an independent I think all three candidates need to be scrutinized before they're offered the democratic nomination but some of the Clintons’ approaches have given me the impression that their legacy is more important then the need of the American people – and that is worrisome. I like all three candidates but both Clinton(s) and Obama is forcing to choose, Edwards that is. Keep up the fight John.

All said, I think what we need is a surge of decency amongst the democrats.

Attention all dinkies: please remember you are all DEMS so please cease all “tail slashing” activities amongst yourselves.

Freed to choose,
Petion

Conan   January 22nd, 2008 2:45 pm ET

Yes...yes...fight my pretties...soon I will choose the Republican candidate and the Dems will be still be sling mud at each other in July....all is going according to the plan.......Buwahahahahahahaha (evil Dick Cheney laugh, you'll have to imagine the lightning bolts)

Brian Nancoo - Trinidad   January 22nd, 2008 2:40 pm ET

Senator Obama talks a lot but does produce any paper trail to back him up.If everyone is fudging the truth,surely he can produce something to corroborate his side.Sounds a lot like George Bush saying to trust him on the WMD issue and years later,when its too late to turn back,we find out there's no WMD."Trust but verify" was a President Reagan saying.

Adam   January 22nd, 2008 2:39 pm ET

I never was a fan, but last night Hillary Clinton convinced me that she is pure political filth. She will say anything to get elected, regardless of its veracity. Twisting Obama's words on a very relevant point (that it takes more than just Democrats to get things done) was outright pathetic.

I don't think I've voted for a Republican in my life, but should she win the nomination, there's no chance I'll be voting for Hillary. I'll vote for McCain or write in either Edwards or Obama.

How can so many people vote for her? Don't you realize that she's the Democratic equivalent of Tom Delay? I'm shocked people would want to give their vote to such a polarizing, divisive figure. Enjoy selling your souls, people...

Vicki, Chicago, IL   January 22nd, 2008 2:39 pm ET

What really kills me is that CNN claims "we demand the truth" and then let Hillary get away with blatantly lying over and over and over. Really Wolf, grow a pair, cut her off and make her accountable for what she says.

Marty, Orlando Fl   January 22nd, 2008 2:39 pm ET

I must admit, the Clintons know how to fight dirty.

Obama '08

Beca   January 22nd, 2008 2:39 pm ET

Obama was on TV when he made the remark about Republicans having ideas. The Clintons misquoted. Please folks, remember both of the Clintons have a history for untruths and outright lies. Wake up, they are trashy people and have no business running this country.

Obama was only defending himself. I am not a democrat but facts are facts.

Vi   January 22nd, 2008 2:38 pm ET

Stop whinning folks this is a political campaign.If you are a candidate you have to be responsible for your actions or lack of actions. You have to own up to your dirt cause its going to be told. Not even POWS are safe as we all can remenber what Rove did to Mc Cain and verteran Kerry. If you don't like the flack Obama is getting now just wait until the jRepubs get a hold of his past. Pretty words will not do it for him. I hope that this Country is not going to go belly up financially. Is there anything that I can do to change that. Be honest now . NO! Isuues and character are important. When you vote make sure your decision is for our Country and not Race , gender or a son of the South,. War Mongers, or greedy Corporate profits

Nancy   January 22nd, 2008 2:37 pm ET

Hillary and Bill will do anything to win. Isn't it time we have people in office with integrity. There are too many important and dangerous issues facing Americans to be left in the hands of peole who don't have integrity. Americans deserve better no matter what side of the aisle you cheer for.

Nancy

Ivelisse   January 22nd, 2008 2:37 pm ET

Obama: stop crying... if you can't handle the heat, get the heck out of the kitchen!!!!!!!!

I did not saw the 'debate', but my husband did, and the only thing I heard was his very loud laughter....he then told me how Hillary rattle Obama's cage and how uncomfortable he was when he was exposed as the leg-worker of a slump-landlord and as a person with NO stance in anything......

I expect Hillary and Edwards to do their jobs and start exposing this guy as the phony he is.....since the press is OBVOUSLY not doing ther inverstigative job!!!!!!!

Jessica   January 22nd, 2008 2:37 pm ET

I'm over the good cop/bad cop shtick. Her strategy for becoming the FIRST female president is to have her HUSBAND do the heavy lifting. How progressive...

Jenny, Paxton, MA   January 22nd, 2008 2:37 pm ET

Senator Obama,

Thanks for an informative and incisive comments you made last night. you cleared some things on my mind.

your differentiation between substantive discussion or articulation of issues AND explanations about the questions raised by competition is appreciated. on the one hand, the voters scream for specifics, while your competetor tries to distract you and wear you out with barrage of unsupported questions and criticisms making you have to try to explain complicated situations in 30 seconds. i see your predicament, and deplore the sleazy tactics of your competitor.

However, your "reagan style trasformative politics" is absolutely ill-conceived, as that's what you refer to as your "vision" or method of "unifying" the country.

If luring the desperate working poor's votes with the the voodoo "trickle-down of wealth from the top" promise (as reagan did for his victory) is your notion of "Unifying" the country, you're indeed one of many Reagan democrat including Billary who will NOT bring CHANGE but contunue the status quo with a pretty face.

Bill Clinton did exactly whar Reagan did, only for the Democratic party: he lured the voters with "middle-of-the-road" policies that was nothing but the republican ideas, so that he could grab power. yes, he united the country under false pretense that he was different from the republican competitor (he didn't claim a direct line to the guy above, for instance) when he was NOT. he practically ruined the democratic party by destrpying its political roots and thereby its credibility. is that what you mean by "unifying"? both Reagan and Clinton pushed the nation to the right further and further, out of his "macarthite" idiocy in reagan's case, and out of bottomless appetite for power game in Clinton's case.

Genuine unity will come about when you clearly make your case (about the direction in which you want to take the nation, in as specific terms as possible) to the voters and convince the majority that that is the direction they want to take. If that direction is different from the current direction, you can call it change.

I recognize significant difference between what you suggest as your approach (method) to current international issues AND that taken by Bush and his democratic collaborators so far.

but how about the goal? what is your goal, your vision, that you are trying to achieve through your smily approach or your deplomatic, non-military, method? is the goal also different? or same? Articulate it, if you are capable. Make your case for the goal and the method for the goal to the voters. ignore the mass media, and speak directly to the voters. go to your own website and write it out yourself. respond to your supporters' and potential supporters' questions.

and please, drop the empty words like "hope" and "unity" for goodness sake. they don't help you make your case, unless you have no case to make in the first place.

I also appreciated your clearly pointing out how absurdly harmful "mandating health case coverage" (or suffer the fine without coverage, i must know as i'm in massachusetts, the home of insurance / finace industry and capitol of medical-pharmaceutical industry) when it's not affordable. that's WORSE THAN SIMPLY NO or overpriced COVERAGE, the status quo. it's guaranteed boon, for sure, for insurance and medical industries. for-profit industries are never known for their best efforts to drive down the price and thereby their profits at any cost.

You can argue that, by making the corporates have to compete in the "transparent market" , you can drive down the price of coverage. but by the end of the campaign, you should be able to build and make your case (through actual and honest numbers) for single-payer (government) universal health care as the best option. trust me, the voters are desperate and ready for real change.

Please address how you're gonna straighten out the finacial industry and its criminal loansharking that 's robbing working poor out of their hard-earn wealth, how you're gonna reverse the completely one-sided corporate-written laws put in place by the lackey congress of both parties for the last three decades.

Tell us voters what you're gonna do about the fascist war criminals in the WH and on the Hill, as well as in the military-industrial-thinktank complex.

John Edwards will make a fitting running mate for the general election. Please consult with each other. Please include Dennis Kucinich in your circle: you won't lose any votes. you'll only gain votes. Forget about the neo-cons and their pundits. they are absolute minority. They can only thrive on your fear.

Insincere suggestions and empty rhetoric will NEVER unite a nation the way it should. Change requires Change in the mind and heart of the people. Make your case clearly, and hope your charm will help in the perocess.

Kwaku D, California   January 22nd, 2008 2:36 pm ET

Why do most intelligent people support Obama? Because we can decipher honesty from dishonesty and know who can truly represent the American ideal. When will the rest of the electorate become politically intelligent? Wake up American and see the fraud that are the Clintons who will do and say anything to get elected!
Did you hear about Hilary putting herself in McCain's national security bracket? Do you understand the implication of that? It means let's stay in Iraq for decades, let's not talk to our perceived enemies, let's go bomb Iran. It's just scary! America and the rest of the world are looking for a new foreign policy direction based more on diplomacy and working together to solve global issues of poverty, inequality, terrorism, climate change, shared global properity. Think! Please think, Americans! This election should be about the future and not 1990s!

Scott - El Paso, TX   January 22nd, 2008 2:36 pm ET

Helen, great post. One of the best I've read here in a long time. Funny how the Clinton scandals you mentioned really haven't resurfaced yet. Republicans will have a hayday with it come the general election.

charles   January 22nd, 2008 2:36 pm ET

To John of California.....you forgot the saddest thing of all....That the people in the state of New York were hoodwinked into voting for Hillary for Senator! If they had turned their back on her, she and her husband would have had to return to Arkansas and find a job.

James Brown ( Independent )   January 22nd, 2008 2:36 pm ET

Helen ,

Your spot on my ! I voted for Bill Clinton , and i remember clearly the shame that him and his wife brought to this country and the White House.

If these people think George Bush is bad , put Hillary Clinton in there.

Hal Singer   January 22nd, 2008 2:35 pm ET

Obama did what he absolutely had to do last night. No, it's not attractive to voters who get turned off by politics to hear candidates dive into the minutia of personal charges, but that's what Bill and Hillary Clinton have resorted to in this campaign. I say this as a FORMER fan of Bill Clinton. He and his wife are LYING! The only sad thing is that politicians cannot call a LIE a LIE and must say you are distorting their record.
Bill Clinton says that no one has asked Obama about his war record. That is an outright LIE as pointed out by TIM RUSSERT himself. Obama was against the war from the beginning. Whereas Hillary has shown her true colors on her PRO BUSH PRO NEO CON stance by going back to the Senate and voting FOR the latest call to WAR against IRAN.
Hillary and Bill are making Obama come down to their level to just answer their lies. But alas Obama has no choice. The Clintons know that an unanswered charge is a charge agreed to.
Obama has conducted himself admirably. He has the JUDGEMENT, TEMPERMENT, and POLITICAL SKILL to be a GREAT PRESIDENT. While Hillary has only shown herself for what she is.

Enough said.   January 22nd, 2008 2:34 pm ET

This just keeps getting better.

Obama is running under a UNITY campaign. TRUTH ,HONESTY , broad appeal.

Someone who can UNITE the democratic party.

Its becoming increasingly obvious it BOTHERS Obama to no end when someone challenges him on ANYTHING .

He is getting more flustered every step of the way.

Hillary and Bill are trying to show he has no ACTION behind the words.

Obama stepped into this. He wanted the IMAGE of the great UNITER .

Yes. Every time Obama opens his mouth, he can expect the Clintons to challenge him on whether he is lying. This is STANDARD STUFF folks.

McCain tore Romney a new one 4 times in the last Republican Debate. The republicans are no different.

Yet, Senator Obama thinks he has a teflon suit on which grants him immunity from being called on the carpet

The galling thing is that he is showing his immaturity by WHINING about all these things. The whining gets worse and worse.

The worse Obama whines, the MORE the Clintons are going to go after him.

We live in a REAL WORLD. Obama cannot cry the blues. He should stand up and act like a man. If he wants to be president of the United States, he has got to do a lot of growing up REALLY quickly.

Its becoming obvious that Senator Obama is the UNITER – only if nobody disagrees with what he says or 'gets on his case' .

Brandon   January 22nd, 2008 2:33 pm ET

obama is looking more and more pathetic...he clearly needs more experience. he did not do well for his campaign last night at the debate. he refuses to answer questions about his record. enough with this nonsense that the clintons are distorting his record....for all the lies he talks about, he never fills us in about what is supposedly the truth. all this man does it talk.....is it a lie that you voted "present" 130 times? that you voted for the credit card interest rate hike? that you voted for cheney's energy bill? im sorry words just don't cut it. hillary is right about one thing, actions matter. unfortunately, your words are writing checks that your record can't cash. as walter sobchak would say "this guy is an amateur."

HILLARYLOVER NY NY   January 22nd, 2008 2:33 pm ET

Didn't everyone get the memo? Obama is an agent of change. He would never distort Hillary's record. He or his campaign would never imply to the American people that Hillary's vote for the Iraq war was somehow directly responsible for Benazir Bhutto's assasination. I mean come on now he is a Washington outsider who would never say or do anything to get elected. He would never suggest that it is Bill Clinton running for re-election. That's something that trained politicians do. Not someone who is running as an agent of change and hope.

In case anyone didn't know I was being sarcastic. Obama needs to be held accountable for his actions. For example he was allowed to say he only did five hours of "work" for Rezko even though the two had been friends since 1990 and he (Rezko) and his associates had given over $120,000 dollars to Obama for his campaign for the US senate. I guess that's a good friend to give you all that money for only five hours of work and not expect anything in return.

If that's not the biggest lump of horse manure I don't know what is.

Hillary 08 and BEYOND!

Surrealist, FT Myers, FL   January 22nd, 2008 2:32 pm ET

No kidding?

Tell us something we don't know.

For the reasons stated–we Democrats have been very hopeful that the candidates running for President would bring credibility and decorum to what has been in past a hostile process that divides the party.

Sadly...the Clintons have shown again, and again what they are truly capable of in their pursuit of power. Obama and Edwards are now obstacles to attaining their goal–and they will say or do anything, themselves, or through others that will remove those obstacles!!

This is American politics–the Clintons are the toughest and the best–and that tradition brings them great aclaim and pride.

Here's my point. Do we want a President who is an expert politician–or do we want a President who is an expert leader and diplomate?

If so, please look closer before leaping towards Hillary!!!

I personally root for Edwards, he's a natural leader and he exudes the steadfastness, decorum, enthusiasm, consistency, and values I believe the President should have. Like many, I will probably vote the GOP ticket in the national election if Clinton gets the nod of our party.

Clinton-like John Kerry is devoid of inate leadership ability–you can't teach or preach that into somebody, they 've just got to have it. And she does not.

Mary   January 22nd, 2008 2:31 pm ET

Maybe Obama needs to cry, or get his wife to start attacking Billary.
God forbid, anyone ever question a Clinton. These two people lie out of both sides of there mouth. Enough of the Clinton Machine.

Ralph   January 22nd, 2008 2:30 pm ET

Google Rezko, read the articles on the Chicago Sun Times page and the ABC page, they are very informative. Unfortunately, we have to research the matter ourselves since the major news organizations do not want to research Obama's history. It appeares that Obama may not be as squeaky clean as everyone wants to make it seem. He sounds as corrupt as every other wealthy politician. No change here, just more of the same. Money talks in Washington.

d   January 22nd, 2008 2:30 pm ET

The matter of infidelity is between Hillary and Bill. What a stupid thing to bring up ! Obama needs to get to the issues, and quit being a sissy!

James   January 22nd, 2008 2:30 pm ET

I don't think whinning and complaining that they "said bad things about me" is really a very good strategy that shows you are ready to be President. Set the record straight or dismiss them as crap and get back on message.

Is Iran going to say lies about you and America?

Will complaining about their tactics help in dealing with them?

John McCain would eat you for breakfast on this if you can't handle a little politically jabbing that is far from the Republican Swift Boat machine that is currently loading up with your name on it.

Hillary and Bill are two of the best campaigners in American political history and she has been side by side with him back since long before he became president. They are political animals and truly do love the game.

Her point is valid that at some point everyone digs up the other candidates past and tries to force them to answer for their inconsistencies and positions. That is a part of every political campaign at least in America and if you weren't prepared to explain your record and past...you shoudn't be running for President.

Being optomistic is a great attribute for any candidate, but being inexperienced and naive is not. You've been attacking her for her positions and votes for over a year now...didn't you think it would come home eventually? And you are surprised that it started happening when you became a viable competitor after Iowa...really?

And for all the Hillary/Clinton haters out there...wouldn't it be good having a President who can negotiate and even manipulate other world leaders rather than having one who has to kiss the Saudi's ass for oil. Overly nice and naive people in politics get driven over by others who play hardball. That's reality folks and stop saying that she's bad when she says stuff, but McCain or Romney can say similarly toned things and that's okay.

Hillary cannot be both too tough and too soft at the same time to be President...that just means you are being sexist by judging her behavior by a different standard than the male candidates. If anything Hillary is less emotional than her husband and more in control and calculating...that's not a bad thing if you want to win or run the country competently.

Ray   January 22nd, 2008 2:29 pm ET

awww Poor Helen. Sticking with the Clinton lied under oath statement. How original. Remember, Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating, the highest end-of-presidency rating of any President that came into office after World War II.

So spin that...

truesoccermom   January 22nd, 2008 2:29 pm ET

I am a moderate democrat who strongly supports Obama. HRC's performance last night and her perpetuation of the dishonest characterization of Obama's statements about Reagan and Republican ideas has strengthened my dislike and distrust of her. If she is the nominee, I will vote for McCain or Bloomberg as I suspect many other Obama supporters will do.

John   January 22nd, 2008 2:28 pm ET

Does this guy every stop crying. In case you didn't know your running for president, these are legitimate arguments. This whole thing is one-sided against Hillary. Now the only person I dislike more than Hillary is Hussein Obama.

will   January 22nd, 2008 2:28 pm ET

Who will take the country forward and who keep us in the dark. A vote for Clinton is a vote for same old washington political BS. But a vote for Obama is a vote for change, a vote for hope, a vote for the new America

Amy in Cincinnati   January 22nd, 2008 2:28 pm ET

Hey Justin in Texas...

Here are just a few examples of how Hillary is fudging the truth (more accurately, lying). In NH..she sent out mailings stating that Obama was not pro-choice enough. He has a 100% voting record for voting pro-choice. The "present" vote that she was referring to in the state legislature was masterminded and endorsed by Planned Parenthood, who has spoken out recently to confirm that.

He was against the war from the start, which she has distorted from day one. She voted to go to war, and was only briefed on the particulars by a staffer, not bothering to read the documents in full. (See Meet the Press). He did vote to fund the war, Hillary did not. In her mind, I guess it's OK to send our soldiers over to Iraq, but then not spend any money to support them.

Obama did not say that he thought the Republican party/ Ronald Regan had great ideas, as the Clintons have asserted. He stated that Regan had the ability to go against the conventional wisdom of the time. Huge difference.

Hope you find this explanation satisfactory to your question.

s.positive   January 22nd, 2008 2:27 pm ET

I'm not surprised as it is really hard to tell the truth if one has spent their lifetime telling lies. Just keep your fresh focus on the issues sir while the deluded folks swim in lies which is want they prefer. Some of us can see through the spinning of the truth though unfortunately, some can't and there is nothing much one can do about it...

Ralph   January 22nd, 2008 2:27 pm ET

Obama bought Rezko's property for $300,000 under the asking price, when it was widely known he was under investigation. He also donated up to $60,000 to Obama's campaigns. Obama and Rezko have been friends since the early 90's.

Perrell, Lincolnton, NC   January 22nd, 2008 2:27 pm ET

How can someone tell someone how to vote on something in their own state when neither Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, nor John Edwards are from Illinois, last time I checked each state legislature has its own way of running their chambers, so to criticize some one on how they voted first it would be smart to ask them why they voted that one before individuals start to jump to conclusions. Another thing I wish that Hillary can run her race by herself, and I wish that Edwards give up on the chance of trying to run for President.

NC Independent   January 22nd, 2008 2:25 pm ET

Republicans AREN'T (SORRY TYPO IN PREVIOUS POST)

Carrie   January 22nd, 2008 2:25 pm ET

I am proud of Obama! Unbelieveable that people are calling Obama a lier. Then, these people support the Clintons: "the President that was impeached for lying under oath and his wife that supported him and stayed with him." The Clintons always twist the truth. Obama is finally giving it back to them but truthfully.

Obama 08

sue   January 22nd, 2008 2:24 pm ET

Wow. I have always supported Hillary and planned on voting for her. I have sinced changed my mind. It scares me to the degree she is willing to stoop to. Of course now I have to side with Mr Obama.

Daniel   January 22nd, 2008 2:24 pm ET

Hillary, as always did AMAZING last night.

If America gets smart Hillary will be president.

Mike   January 22nd, 2008 2:23 pm ET

There has been a Democratic primary in 4 states. In one state, there is alleged voting machine fraud favoring Hillary. In a second state, there are allegations of voter intimidation by the Clinton campaign. Ina third state, there was a lawsuit by the Clintons over previously agreed to caucus sites.

And this is only the PRIMARY!!!!

The Clintons are evil people. They are more of the same. Might as well re-elect Bush if you vote for Clinton.

Philip, Elkhart IN   January 22nd, 2008 2:23 pm ET

I keep hearing people say, I've lost faith in Hillary, or I've lost faith in Obama. That's the problem. Americans are the ones who flip-flop all the time. They'll stick with one person until the day before the election, then switch sides based on a planted news article.

Do your research early, pick a person, and stick with him or her. Don't be swayed by the latest piece of crap gossip.

While you've lost faith in the candidates, I've lost faith in the voters.

Pax   January 22nd, 2008 2:23 pm ET

What is new??? The Clintons have fudged the truth in the past, WATERGATE, HILARYGATE. Greed and power can never be satisfied.

Simon Roedia   January 22nd, 2008 2:23 pm ET

I find it funny to all the people telling Obama to just "get over it" how would you feel if your co-workers were attacking you constantly in the office? Would you just "put up with it". I didn't think so you would go to your supervisor and tell them about the situation and ask your co-workers to STOP ATTACKING YOU.

Sheri   January 22nd, 2008 2:23 pm ET

Obama good for you!
Every now and then the King of Lions has to show his strength.

Pauline   January 22nd, 2008 2:21 pm ET

Justin, do you even watch the debates? He addressed MANY inaccuracies that show the Clinton Campaign blatantly lies, thinking the public is too lazy to do their own research (which in your case, may be true). 1) His Ronald Reagan statements (he was NOT agreeing that Republican economics are the best) 2) Stance on the war (he never changed his vote, and never endorsed going to war) 3) Representing a slumlord (blatant mischaracterization to hide the fact that Obama was a Civil Rights lawyer while Hillary was a corporate lawyer). If I were weathering those kinds of attacks I would stick up for myself too.

Karen   January 22nd, 2008 2:20 pm ET

What are they thinking? The Obama camp needs to stay away from the Rezko issue. It is toxic. There will never be an explanation for why he did a personal property deal with his friend after this friend was indicted for fraudulent schemes involving govt officials and govt funds. The connection between Obama's fundraising to someone indicted is not fun to discuss. He got money, how much did he really get, how much was really given to charity.

Obama had worked for Davis. Rezko and Davis were partners. When Obama became a Senator, Obama wrote letters on behalf of Rezko and Davis seeking funding for them. Rezko was seeking funds for building projects outside of Obama's district while buildings were deteriorating inside Obama's district. You can't explain seeking funds for your ex-boss and your friend for buildings when you are now a Senator. The letters he wrote are all over the internet.

There is a Chicago Sun Times article interviewing Obama's campaign and it was a little uncomfortable.

Mike   January 22nd, 2008 2:20 pm ET

...And so does her husband. "Can you tell me what the meaning of "is" is?"

Carol   January 22nd, 2008 2:16 pm ET

Bush... Obama. Is there a difference other than Obama just sounds better and more educated than Bush when "spinning" the truth to the American People?

Jose Card - Independent   January 22nd, 2008 2:13 pm ET

Dear Senator Obama:

You cannot reason with these two robots programmed for just one purpose – back to the White House at all costs.

We want to hear more about what you will do for our nation.

We need hope and inspirations.

My best wishes!

JAM   January 22nd, 2008 2:11 pm ET

Not only does Obama distort the facts, when a question comes up that he doesn't like, such as the one about his lobbyist connections, he changes the subject and the moderators allow him to do it.

Let's see; he lies, he distorts, he doesn't take responsibility for his actions, he blames everyone else, sounds like another "W" to me.

Khwaty   January 22nd, 2008 2:05 pm ET

How can Obama and his campaign people deny his relationship with Syrian born Antoin "Tony" Rezko? It was reported in Chicago Tribune. Rezko was one of the major campaign fundraiser of Obama all the way to 2004. Rezko helped Obama win the US Senate.

Why is it the wife of Rezko bought the adjacent lot next to Obama, at a high price then turn around and sold it to Obama close to nothing?

Hillary did not fudge the truth, it was Obama who is in denial over this issue. Rezko was indicted for corruption, his court hearing will begin next month after our primary election.

Its true he only work 5 hours as a lawyer for Rezko, but his work with Rezko after consultation is way longer than that, he was his MAJOR campaign fundraiser.

Enough said.   January 22nd, 2008 2:04 pm ET

Obama is complaining that these attacks are untrue blah blah.

How is he going to move the country forward?

For starters, stop jumping up and down like a baby when your record is challenged. You take this as an 'attack'.

Your opponent is challenging your record. So what? You are a GROWN MAN for christs sakes.

You tried challenging her record. You did so MANY TIMES in debates before the new year. When Hillary was AHEAD . Both you and Edwards ganged up on her to drag her down. Its an outright fact.

I guess you have a short memory.

Never mind the BS. If you are such a change and uniter candidate, get on with uniting and never mind getting into wars with the clintons over petty crap.

Jim in Orlando, FL   January 22nd, 2008 2:03 pm ET

Amazing how the Hillary lemmings thinks its OK to lie ! To be attacked with the truth is one thing .... and then there's Bill and Hillary ! Stay the course Obama, and the American people will see the difference between you and the political hacks of yesteryear !

Suspicious   January 22nd, 2008 2:03 pm ET

"Obama is so nice . . . " great. He needed some other qualities to be President. He didn't hold up well under fire at all last night. He came off as angry, stuck up, and above honest answers. I'm not impressed and not voting for him. He also threw the first punch and John Kerry's run taught us that one has to swing back. Hillary did what she had to do. Obama's is typical second place behavior.

Ray   January 22nd, 2008 2:03 pm ET

So now he is attacking Hillary. Just on the other post everyone is giving Hillary hell about it, but now that hes doing it, its ok. What makes you people think he is so UNTOUCHABLE??????

WHAT?
WHY?

You Obama "fans" are really starting to sound like a broken record. GROW UP!!

John from Carlsbad, CA   January 22nd, 2008 2:02 pm ET

The debate last night and the inexcusable behaviors of the Clinton campaign over the last few weeks has been embarrassing. I had to change the channel last night thinking "Is this the example of political discourse we send to budding democracies around the world?" This is really sad.

Something that was said on either CNN or another new organization by one of their pundents said it all. Watch your back and your knees, the Clintons are around and they are hungry for their power back. They will do whatever it takes to get that power once again. That is really sad.

The most sad thing is, the Clinton campaign is following in the footsteps that got one George W. Bush elected. The Bush Campaign did the same thing to McCain in South Carolina and can we say switfboat? I am actually waiting for Hillary's swiftboat to come any second. That is really sad.

Justin, Houston, TX   January 22nd, 2008 1:58 pm ET

Will someone please explain what truth is being fudged. Every interview this man gives, all he does is say someone is lying on him. Well, if he would just set the truth out there, everyone will know. But he ahs yet to explain anything. Why, because it is the truth.

BN   January 22nd, 2008 1:54 pm ET

He keeps saying this – not factual, not factual.

But - he does not offer the actual facts. What are the facts then?

This sounds like he's throwing stones to hide his hands.

Ray   January 22nd, 2008 1:53 pm ET

Poor Obama..Still being attacked. GUESS WHAT..Your running for President. Get over it.

Ron, TX   January 22nd, 2008 1:52 pm ET

Hillary Clinton, of all people, has the gaul to accuse Obama of dirty politics with Rezko? That's absolutely amazing. Over the past few years, the media has constantly tried to dig into Rezko dirt, because that is the single "scandal" that may be tied to Obama. It's been proven absolutely untrue that Obama did ANY favors for Rezko at all.

The same cannot be said of Hillary Clinton, whose fundraisers include Norman Hsu and Peter Paul. The same cannot be said for Hillary's "Hippie Museum" earmark, remember that? The day after she got the earmark added to the bill, the Hippie Museum backer gave her and Schumer tens of thousands of dollars in donations.

Efe   January 22nd, 2008 1:52 pm ET

I used to like the Clintons but their desperation worries me. They feel it is their birth right to rule this country. Very sad way to do politics. If she wins the Nomination. I am either crossing over and voting for Mcain or staying home.

Joan   January 22nd, 2008 1:50 pm ET

I believe that Obama did what he had to do in the debate last night. He now has to get back on point and address the issues. He is facing a tag team and a political machine that is relentless. The Clintons are doing what Bill accused the Republicans of doing, using the race issue to divide Americans who agree on social and economic issues. Obama touched on Hillary’s failed attempt on health care reform doing so behind closed doors and being sued for open access. I think we have had enough secrecy in the White House. The Clintons are too politically connected and I think our country has been there, done that and we need to move forward. The best way to put the Republicans back in office is to have Hillary win the Democratic nomination. Remember that Bill gave Congress back to the Republicans for the first time in 40 years. He was only the second president to be impeached. Yes, we did enjoy economic prosperity, but how much of that was directly related to his policy?

Amy   January 22nd, 2008 1:49 pm ET

Obama is so nice, saying that Hillary fudges the truth. The reality is Hillary is untruthful in this campaign and tells lies.

It is almost pathological what her and Bill are doing. And they keep repeating the same lies over, and over, and over, again....even when it has been proven to be a lie. They just keep repeating them. Do they think voters are stupid and not seeing through her games and phony tears?

I have lost so much respect for both of the Clintons. Hillary has done a disservice to all women. She has lost my vote.

Donald, Butte, MT   January 22nd, 2008 1:48 pm ET

Obama grow up.

Both campagins are distorting each others records and comments.

Keep it up and John Edwards will be the 'King Maker' at the convention and you'll both lose.

As Archie Bunker would say to both of you, "STIFLE IT!"

kevin from alaska   January 22nd, 2008 1:47 pm ET

Bill Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. Enough already.

MattB   January 22nd, 2008 1:47 pm ET

Obama is pretty good at twisting people's words, too. He wants to attack Clinton and Edwards, but every barb aimed at him is untrue or a lie. Right.

Joe   January 22nd, 2008 1:44 pm ET

CNN can you cover the news stories about this Rezko guy and stop picking and chosing the comments you post ?

So Michelle Obama working for a company (well not really working , just a figurehead) and is getting paid consulting money of up to 50,000 a year and that company has close ties to Walmart and Obama is not talking about that. Michelle Obama taking money and in bed with Walmart. How is that the politics of change. Sounds like she and he (with Rezko) have been cashing out and doing what every politician has been doing. No change there. When asked about Rezko, Obama diverts the topic to a "church group" and doing "five hours of work" for this Rezko. Right, right. Typical politician. Obama is a fraud. Michelle is a fraud.

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